Dec 06, 2022 Planning Commission

[A. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]

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ONE MORNING. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE GROVE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER. IF WE COULD START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

IF WE COULD START WITH BROKE ALL MR ROCK. HERE. MR BRIE HERE. CHAIR OYSTER HERE. MR BARNES WORD HERE. AND MR TITUS. COMMISSION HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THE

[C. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – November 8, 2022]

[3. APPLICATION: Tesla Charging Station – Certificate of Appropriateness Appeal]

SECOND. ROCO. MR ROCK? YES. MR FREE? YES. OYSTER? YES. MR FARNSWORTH. AND MR TITUS. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. WHEN YOUR ITEM IS CALLED. WHEN YOU WERE THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE SIMPLY STUFF UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AS WELL AS YOUR ADDRESS THAT CAN BE YOUR HOME OR YOUR BUSINESS ADDRESS. AND THEN AFTER

[1. APPLICATION: Parkway Centre East – Lot Split (North)]

SECOND. OH, COOL. MR FARNSWORTH. YES. MR FREE. YES. MR TITUS. ROYSTER? YES, MR ROCK. YES. YOU

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[2. APPLICATION: Parkway Centre East – Lot Split (South)]

SECOND BRONCO. MR FREE. YES, MR ROCK. YES. CHAIR ROYSTER. YES MR TITUS? YES. MR FARNSWORTH? YES.

THANK YOU. RIGHT NEXT ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE IS HARRIS PROPERTY PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

[4. APPLICATION: Harris Property – Preliminary Development Plan]

A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SITE WHEN PEOPLE ARE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING AND WAS WITHDRAWN AT CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 21ST. THAT PLAN INCLUDED 338 UNITS IN THREE SUB AREAS, OFFERING FREESTANDING SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES AND ATTACHED RANCH HOMES. THE CURRENT APPLICATION HAS BEEN REVISED BASED ON FEEDBACK RECEIVED FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. MAJOR CHANGES INCLUDE THE ELIMINATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES AS WELL AS SWITCHING THE LOCATION OF THE SINGLE FAMILIES AND ATTACH RANCH HOMES TO HAVE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LOCATED TO SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.

THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL BE ACCESSED OFF AN EXTENSION OF HAWTHORN PARKWAY, WHICH CURRENTLY TERMINATES AT FOUR ROAD IN THE INDIAN TRAIL SUBDIVISION. THE AFRICAN IS PROPOSED TO EXTEND HOSTEL IN PARKWAY TO CROSS BORDER ROAD AND ESTABLISH A CONNECTION WITH LONDON GROVE COURT ROAD MATCHING FEATURE ROADWAYS SHOWING ON THE APPROVED GROVE CITY THOROUGHFARE, MATH PHASE, A LOCATED BETWEEN LONDON GROWTH PORT ROAD AND THE HAWTHORNE PARKWAY EXTENSION IS PROPOSING ATTAIN FREESTANDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON PRIVATE STREETS . A TOTAL OF 118 LOTS OF OUR PROPOSED BASE BE LOCATED ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE SITE IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN RANCH HOMES FRONTING ON EITHER PUBLIC STREETS OR PRIVATE STREETS. THIS TOWN HOMES WILL INCLUDE GARAGES , ACCESS FROM PRIVATE ROADWAYS, AND A TOTAL OF 205 RANGE HOMES ARE PROPOSED. IN ADDITION TO THESE PHASES, THE MATERIAL STATED THE EXISTING HOME IN THE PROPERTIES AND INTERVIEWS. SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR REPURPOSED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WITH COMMERCIAL OR RECREATIONAL USES. THE GROSS DENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS 3.35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND THE INDIVIDUAL DENSITIES OF EACH OF THE PROPOSED SUB AREAS. ARE LOWER THAN THAT. OF OTHER AREA DEVELOPMENTS WITH THE SAME FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, INCLUDING LANDINGS AND QUAIL CREEK AND RAVINE AT CROKE CREW.

ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS WILL BE ESTABLISHED AND FINALIZED DURING THE REZONING PROCESS. HOWEVER BASED ON OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AREA STAFF EXPECTS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE BUILDINGS TO INCLUDE NOT LESS THAN 25. BREAK STONE OR CULTURE STONE. THE AFRICAN IS ALSO PROVIDED PRELIMINARY ELEVATION ON THE PROPOSED HOME TYPES FOR THE DRAFT ZONING TEXT INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION, THE HOMES AND SUB AREA A THE SINGLE FILM WITH DETACHED OR TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1400 SQUARE FEET AND LOT WITS WILL BE A MINIMUM OF 50 FT. THE HOMES AND PHASE B. R TO BE A MINIMUM OF 1100 SQUARE FEET. AND THESE RANCH HOMES WILL BE IN

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96.29. AND THEN YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF UNITS. THERE'S 3 23 DIVIDED BY THAT 96. THAT'S WHERE THE GROSS DENSITY COMES FROM. OKAY BECAUSE I WAS GOING WITH 91.13. IF YOU LOOK AT BOTH PHASE I AND PHASE B ON THE ACRES. BUT I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE BOUNDARIES. IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THIS STRICT GEOGRAPHY OF THE SUB AREAS WITHIN THEMSELVES THAT WOULD NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANY OF THE OPEN SPACE OR THE FLOODPLAIN OR THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE BEING PRESERVED ON THIS SITE. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT DENSITY, WE LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT THE SITE, RECOGNIZING THAT ALL DEVELOPERS HAVE TO PROVIDE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE AND SETBACKS AND WHATNOT.

THEY'RE ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS. I HEAD OUT THERE AND I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THAT AS FAR AS LIKE THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT HAWTHORNE, WOULD YOU SAY IS NOT IN YOUR CONTROL? BUT I THINK THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED, OR THAT WAS AN IDEA. YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC THERE ON 6 65. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON YOU SAID AROUND ABOUT YOU KNOW, OR THEY CALLED THIS ACT. ONBOARD ROAD. WOULD THAT NOT ENCOMPASS 6 65 AROUND ABOUT CORRECT. UM WE JUST WANT TO DISH OUR PLAN COULD ACCOMMODATE THE GEOMETRY FOR ANY OF THOSE OR ROAD. COULD STAY THE WAY IT IS. RIGHT, UM WHAT WAS THE ROUNDABOUT? I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC. THAT WOULD BE GOING THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT, UM. YOU KNOW, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD PROBABLY BE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND HAWTHORN PARKWAY. AND CALLED US ACTING BOARD ROAD, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR US TO DETERMINED. ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTION WAS IF WE TERMINATE MORE ROAD THERE COLDER SACKED. WHAT HAPPENS THAT LITTLE SPUR OF THE ROAD TO THINK, GO AWAY THAT TURN INTO GREEN. GREEN SPACE THERE. I WOULD IMAGINE. YES. YEP. SOMEONE'S GONNA GET THAT APPROVED BIO DOT AND EVERYBODY ELSE. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF FOUR AND 6 65. I'D LIKE TO KEEP MORE ROAD OPEN IS A NORTH SOUTH. CONNECTOR LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

AND AROUND ABOUT I KNOW THAT IS LISTED ON. I BELIEVE GROSS CITIES. LONG TERM THOROUGH FILM MAP IS THAT WAS THE INTERSECTION OF THE POSSIBILITY THAT WAS CONSIDERED HER LOOKED AT AND STUDIED. SO I WOULD BE PRO ON AROUND ABOUT THERE. THE VALUE OF THAT IS ONE OF THE CHECK A LITTLE BIT AND SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC. AND KEEPS YOU KNOW THERE'S NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR BORE ROAD STILL OPEN LIKE IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IN IF YOU GO, 6 65. IT'S JUST A COMPARABLE INTERSECTION. IF YOU GO 6 65 TOWARDS 23. 23 6 65. STATE DESIGNATED ROUTE NUMBER CHANGES TO 3 17. BUT IN OUR MINDS ANYBODY'S TRAVELED THAT YOU'RE STILL KIND OF ON 6 65 JUST HAD IN FRONT OF THE EAST. THEY JUST PUT IN AROUND ABOUT AT 3 17 AND LOCK BORN ROAD. WHICH IF WE WERE TO DO A STUDY ON TRAFFIC COUNTS . IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME TRUCKS ARE GOING THROUGH THAT ROUND ABOUT THAT WOULD BE GOING TOO. A NEW ROUND ABOUT IT BORE AND BORE ROADS. TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY EQUIVALENT TO LOCK BORN ROADS, NORTH SOUTH TRAFFIC. SO, UH, IS ANYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO DRIVE IT. IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF MILES EAST AND 23 THERE FROM 6 65. AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIT. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED. I STUMBLED ONTO IT JUST CUTTING ACROSS COUNTRY ONE DAY STAND OFF

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WHOSE LIABILITY OR EXPENSES THAT BRIDGE TO MAKE THAT CONNECTOR. WE'RE JUST GONNA LET PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE WATER CARRY THEIR BIKE ACROSS FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YES WE NEED TO SHOW THAT SUCCESSFUL. PICTURED SIMILAR TO OUR HER PATH BRIDGES THAT WE PUT IN A PINNACLE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONNECT AND I APPRECIATE THAT CONNECTION FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. MY COMMENTS. UM I APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU'VE DONE AND ADJUSTING THE PLAN, THEY THINK FLIPPING THE MULTI FAMILY WITH WITH THIS SINGLE FAMILY STUFF. UM IS A GOOD MOVE. I THINK IT REALLY ALIGNED THE HOUSING BETTER WITH WITH WHAT IS CLOSE BY TO IT. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TAKING THOSE COMMENTS AND ACTING ON THEM. THERE'S BEEN A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THAT PROCESS TO WHICH IS GOOD. I'M GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ABOUT THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND NOT JUST THE ROADWAYS, BUT THERE'S UM STREET CALLED STREET.

SEE IT'S GOT THE MULTI FAMILY ON IT. IT'S DOWN NEAR 6 65. IF YOU COME IN ON HAWTHORNE PARK WAVES IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT, AND YOU'VE GOT MULTI FAMILIES SHOWN THERE. IT LOOKS OUT OF KEEPING THEIR IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT REALLY COULD BE SINGLE FAMILY AND IT DOESN'T REALLY BELONG TO THE MULTI FAMILY THAT'S BACK, UM, FURTHER BACK IN THE PROPERTY. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A SUGGESTION TO LOOK AT THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE BUILDING SPOT . IT'S GOT A POND THERE. IT'S GOT THE PREDOMINANCE OF THAT HAWTHORNE PARKWAY ENTRANCE. IT WOULD LOOK TO BE ATTRACTIVE AS A AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. NEXT COMMENT WOULD BE THERE'S SIX OR MORE WITH BASINS HERE THAT OUR PICTURE IS WET BASINS AS PONDS, AND THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE WILL BE ACTUAL PONDS, NOT JUST DRY BASINS. IS THAT THAT IS OUR INTENT. WE NEED TO WORK WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING. BUT YES. UM. WE ACTUALLY PREFER THE BASINS TO BE WET. WE PREFER TO DEVIATE FROM GROUPS CITY STANDARDS BECAUSE WE LIKE TO PUT ALL OUR PIPES IN UNDERWATER. UM. WE AS LANDSCAPERS ARE ALWAYS CALLING IN, SO I HAD TO MAKE THE PIPES LOOK GOOD. AND THEN HE SAID HE WANTS YOU PUT STONE AROUND IT. BUT IF YOU PUT THEM UNDERWATER TO WORRY ABOUT IT SO WE LOOK AT THOSE FOR SURE IS AMENITIES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NIGHT I LIKE SEEING AS MANY OF THOSE IN THERE AS WE CAN. RECOGNIZE THAT THE SITE HAS A LOT OF BUILDABLE SPACE WITH 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AND I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE MAINTAINING THE WOODED AREA ON THE FAR NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT MOVE TO DID HAVE THE SAME QUESTION JIM DID ABOUT THE TRAIL CONNECTING TO QUITO CREEK. UM, AND IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE A TRAIL THAT WILL COME IN. THROUGH THAT MIDDLE SECTION. PASSED BY THAT IS PAWNS AND STILL CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UM AT LEAST AS FAR DOWN TOWARDS 6 65 AS WE COULD. UM. AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC HOMES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY SECTION IN THE SOUTHEAST. I'M STILL VERY, VERY CONCERNED. BUT WITH THE DENSITY, THE LOT WEST OR 52 FT WIDE ALL I CAN IMAGINE BEING BUILT ON. THESE ARE LONG, NARROW HOMES. VERY SMALL, LONG, NARROW HOMES, AND MY VISION FOR GROSS CITY DOESN'T SEE US NEEDING ANY MORE OF THAT HOUSING STYLE. OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW THAT YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONAL HERE, AND I JUST JUST A GUY WHO'S LIVED HERE A LONG TIME. BUT MY PREFERENCE IS FOR, UM FOREVER HOMES FOR HOMES THAT

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WE HAVE HAD VERY RECENT DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SPECIFICALLY THE FIRST MEETING WAS PRIMARILY ABOUT 104 AND 6 65 , BUT WE'VE HAD A MORE RECENT MEETING FROM THAT TO TALK ABOUT THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO PERFORM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY SO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT IS THAT WHEN THE NUMBERS COME IN FOR THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED AND WHAT KIND OF CONTRIBUTIONS THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL HAVE TO BRING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT THESE DEVELOPMENTS, SO THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF, SAY, 65 STATE ROUTE 104. YEAH. RIGHT? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AND WHEN YOU ARRIVE IF YOU COULD JUST WRITE YOUR NAME AND THEN STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

MY NAME IS CONNIE TRI TECH AND I LIVE AT 6095 BOROUGH ROAD, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED. UM AND I JUST REALLY MY QUESTION IS A CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THE CHANGE IS IT. IT'S VERY BLURRY ON THERE, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE A AT THE END IS AND WHERE B IS WE'RE SEEING IS WHERE'S YOUR HOUSE? THE ONE THE ONE THAT TRIANGLE RIGHT THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO DR HERE THAT WE BACK UP TO DR HARRIS HOUSE. WITH THE CIRCLING DRIVEWAYS. YES, SIR. THE CHANGE. UM THE PLAN BEFORE HAD PATCHED UNITS. OUTFRONT AND SOUTH OF YOU. NOW.

SO THE BIG PILE IS JUST SOUTH OF YOU, RIGHT? SO ALL THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY FREESTANDING HOMES. SO EVERY THROUGH THAT AREA, A SO EVERYTHING IS SOUTH OF PERTH WAY. WEST OF OR. AND NORTH OF 6 65 WILL BE FREESTANDING INDIVIDUAL HOMES. THE ATTACHED, UM, IS. 200. FIVE UNITS. EACH OF THEM ARE OUT FRONT SO HOMES ANYMORE. THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND LOT SIZES, WHERE THE SAME THAT THEY ARE NOW. THAT THEY WERE. WHEN THEY WERE IN BACK. WHERE ARE ATTACHED ONES WHERE I DON'T SO THE ATTACHED ARE ON THE NORTH. HE'S GOT TO. YEAH. BASH. THEY'RE ALL OVER. YOU HAVE A LASER. JUST LET ME JUMP IN. I'M SORRY. UM WE REALLY NEED FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD. WE NEED TO KEEP CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE COMMISSION MEMBERS NOT BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE IN THE MIX. SOME AREN'T AND NO ONE WILL HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GO TO READ IT SOMEDAY.

FACE HER. YOU LOOK AT THIS. OKAY? SO THE ATTACHED PRODUCT. THERE'S FOUR UNITS OUT EIGHT UNITS OUT FRONT. TWO OF THEIR SMALLER BUILDINGS FOUR UNIT AND I THINK WE INCLUDED ENHANCED ARCHITECTURE. HAD DETAIL FOR THAT CHAIRMAN OYSTER WAS ASKING FOR THOSE UNITS. SO THAT WILL BE THEIR MARKETING PRESENT WHERE PEOPLE KNOW THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE YOU REALLY WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID NOW, BUT YOU REALLY WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE REST OF THE UNITS THERE. BEHIND THE TREES WILL BE A ROAD WITH THE BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK. AND SO THE ATTACHED UNITS ARE ON THE BACK. AND THEN THESE LOTS OUT FRONT. WE HAVE 118 FREESTANDING.

SINGLE FAMILY. HOMES OUT FRONT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? GOODY OR GOOD AFTERNOON, JODI BURROWS. I RESIDE AT 6042 WINNEBAGO WINNEBAGO STREET FOR LAST 28

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AND THOSE ARE THE DENSITY STILL I STRONGLY FEEL THAT THE DENSITY IT IS. TOO HIGH, CONSIDERING SOME OF THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING TO INDIAN TRIALS AND HAWTHORN, UM PARKWAY. HAWTHORN WOODS, WHICH IS WHERE MY RESIDENCES AS WELL AND, UM, ALSO , THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UG RENTABLE, AND THAT WAS THE COMMENT WAS MADE IN THE PAST AS WELL INSTEAD OF OWNER OCCUPIED UM, PROS. ICONS OF THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO, BUT JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE CONCERNS ARE STILL THERE FOR THOSE TWO TOPICS. OF CONCERN AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY COMMENTS. SO THANK YOU. YES, OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALREADY SIGNED IN. I'M LESLIE HAMMER GLUTES 61573 LONG COURT. UM FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR SIMON ELO FOR ACTUALLY LISTENING TO US AND MY FLIPPING THE PHASES. THAT WAS A BIG STEP. WILL PHASE A HAVE AN H O A YES. THAT HELPS MAINTAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO. AND I TAKE IT FACE BE AS RENTALS. OKAY THAT'S STILL I DON'T THINK THAT FITS IN WITH THE OVERALL CHARACTER. UM ONE SUGGESTIONS SINCE IT'S SORT OF HIDDEN AND IT HAS A LOT OF LANDSCAPING AROUND IT ALREADY.

THAT MIGHT BE THE PLACE TO BUILD THE BIG HOUSES TO ATTRACT THE PEOPLE. THE DOCTORS AND WHOEVER WHO WORK AT, UM MOUNT CARMEL AND THEN. WITH THE NEW MEDICAL CAMPUS. UM A WEST OF 71 WITH THAT IS PLANNING UM AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND I DON'T THINK IT EVER MAKES SENSE, TOO. CUT OFF A ROAD JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING ANOTHER ROAD. IT'S JUST LIKE THE FREEWAY. IF YOU HAVE INCREASED VOLUME, YOU DON'T GO FROM EIGHT LANES TO SIX. YOU GO FROM EIGHT LANES TO 10. UM AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT. THE HARRIS HOUSE COULD HAVE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. MAYBE WE COULD DISCUSS THAT AFTERWARDS. WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? OKAY RIGHT THERE WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT. I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT. UM AND FINALLY, JUST BECAUSE THE GROSS CITY TO 50 PLAN RECOMMENDS THAT THIS SITE AS A VARIETY OF HOUSING, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S HOW IT HAS TO HAPPEN. WE LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WILL ALWAYS LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS BUILD A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THEN THEY WALK AWAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU KNOW THERE ARE PROBLEMS WHEN YOU HAVE RENTAL HOUSES. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS, AND BASICALLY DITTO TO EVERYTHING THAT DAVID PRICE SAID . SO THAT'S IT. THANKS. I CAN'T ADDRESS, UH, LAST LAST TWO SPEAKERS IN THE COMMENTS. UM THANK YOU. MICHELLE'S DID A GREAT JOB. TALKING ABOUT DENSITY. THIS IS A TRANSITION. FROM HIGHER DENSITY. WE ARE LOWER AND YES, AS YOU GO FURTHER EAST WHEN YOU GET INTO SINGLE FRAME WHEN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT LOWER AS WELL. UM. EVERYBODY COMPLIMENTS AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE COMPLIMENTS ABOUT PINNACLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PINNACLE WHAT IT IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE MEAN BY BIG HOUSES. UM PINNACLE AT 1650 UNITS. WHEN WE STARTED AND THE GOLF COURSE IS THE HEART OF THAT COMMUNITY. WHEN WE SAY BIG HOUSES. WE HAD OUR ALLIES WAS 1650 UNITS. WE HAD 140 A STATE LOTS. WE HAD 600 HOMES IN BETWEEN BUCKEYE PARKWAY AND 71. AND THOSE ARE SMALLER HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE. UM THEY

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UM JUST UNDER A MILLION, WAS THE HIGHEST PRICED HOME IN THE PARADE OF HOMES. OUT OF ALL THE LINES AND PINNACLE, THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE THERE ARE STILL FOR SALE. ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN OF THOSE 140 LOTS. SO WHEN YOU SAY BIGGER HOUSES AND LET'S DO THIS, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME HERE PROFESSIONAL OPINION. WE LIKE THE LAND USE PLAN BETTER THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. BECAUSE THE BACK DID GIVE A BETTER SETTING. FOUR. ON THE SINGLE FAMILY. BUT IN DEALING WITH 6 65 AND DEALING WITH BORE ROAD AND WHERE THIS IS WE FEEL THIS TWO HOUR MONTH IS GOING TO BE. WE WANT TO LOOK BACK ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT WE DO AND SAY WE DID A GOOD JOB. WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. UM. TO SAY THAT YOU JUST PUT BIG HOMES BACK IN THERE. WITH WHAT AMENITY WITH WHAT HAPPENS. IT IS NOT ENOUGH. WILLIAM MASS. TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DESIRABLE. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THANK KIM IS RIGHT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND WE WERE ON THE CALL, AND WE'VE ALREADY DONE TRAFFIC COUNTS. AND WE KNOW THAT REQUIREMENT AS US AS DEVELOPER.

TWO. HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PUT IN TO HANDLE THIS DEVELOPMENT. HOW FAR PARKWAY IS AN IMPROVEMENT. TO THE ONE OH 46 65. TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. AND THIS DEVELOPMENTS PROVIDING IT. IT'S A NON FRONTED ROAD. WE HAVE THREE ACCESS POINTS OFF OF THAT ROAD. THAT'S IT. WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN. TO HELP THE TRAFFIC AND IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC CONSISTENT WITH THE 2050 THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND EVERYTHING THAT GROWS CITY. HAS UM. WE FEEL THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. YOU'RE GONNA DRIVE YOUR HEAD AGAIN. I CALL IT A RESIDENTIAL BYPASS. IT HELPS THEM PARKWAY. WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS SHOULD BE NO TRUCKS. COULD THE SPEED LIMIT THE CITY AS CONTROL OF THAT COULD BE LOWERED TO 25 THAT'S WITHIN THEIR JURISDICTION AND THEY CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE RIGHT AWAY. WHEN YOU GET OFF OF 6 65, YOU'RE NOW ON THE CALM RESIDENTIAL ROAD. YOU PASSED THE ENTRANCE TO THE RANCH THEORY. UNITS THAT YOU SEE THEN THE REST OF THE NORTHERN PART NORTHERN SIDE OF HAWTHORN PARKWAY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE OVERLOOKING NATURE. AND THE HARRIS HOUSE. SO WE FEEL AND WE TRY ALWAYS. TO DO WHAT IS BEST POSSIBLE WITH THE LAND. AND THE SAY, AND I THINK, EITHER MR FARNSWORTH AND TIGHTEST PRODUCT AT THE LAST MEETING THESE RAN, TRAVELS OR $2000, PROBABLY PLUS AND RENT. THEY ALL HAVE TWO CAR GARAGES WILL BE ABLE TO PARK TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. THEY WILL BE LIVING HERE. UM, THEY MIGHT NOT. YET ONE INVEST OUR WISH IT WOULDN'T ESTATE LIFE THAT WE STILL HAVE FOR SALE. PINNACLE BUT THEY WILL ATTRACT AND IT'S GOOD QUALITY PEOPLE. UM AND PART OF THE PLAN HERE. I BELIEVE PART OF THE GOALS. MM IS A DIVERSITY AND HOUSING FOR GROWTH CITY. AND THE STARS THAT, UM IT HAS AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO RENT IT'S FITTING THEIR LIFESTYLE. IT'S GOING TO BE A SUPER NICE DEVELOPMENT AND NOW THE RANCH. IT'S JUST GONNA BE A GREAT ENCLAVE BACK THERE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE AND RECREATE WITH THE PAST, SO WE ALWAYS TRY. TWO. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS. I MEAN DIFFERENT THAN WE LOOKED AT PINNACLE. WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST. THIS COULD BE WE BELIEVE WHAT WE DID AT PINNACLE WAS THE BEST I COULD DO WITH THE GOLF COURSE. WE'RE DEALING WITH 6 65 FOR ROAD. A NEW ROAD GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT THAT WE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE. UM, THE COMMERCIAL ON THE HARRIS HOUSE. WE THOUGHT ANYWHERE FROM BED AND BREAKFAST IN OUR DRAFT ZONING TAXED. WE ASKED HER TO BE CONSIDERED SIMILAR TO DOWNTOWN HERE COULD END UP BEING MAYBE OFFICERS. BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE IF

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BECAUSE I CANNOT THINK OF ANY AREA IN HER IMMEDIATE VICINITY. THAT HAS RENTAL PROPERTIES SHOVED IN THE MIDDLE OF SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES. SO THAT'S A QUESTION THAT SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER IT FOR ME LATER ON, WHATEVER. YOU KNOW THAT TYPE THING. THE OTHER ONE IS THE FACT THAT THEY STATED THAT THERE HAS TO BE MULTIPLE DEVIATIONS TO THE CITY CODE. MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY THIS. WHILE OR OUR STANDARDS. TWO. WE'LL GO WITH OR TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HIS DENSITY DESIRES. BECAUSE AGAIN DENSITY IS A MAJOR CONCERN HERE. AND YET AT THE SAME TIME IS BEING RECOMMENDED THAT WE, UM LOWER ESTIMATE CITY COACH STANDARDS I'M NOT AGAINST PROGRESS AND GROWTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN IT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY. AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. I DO NOT SEE THAT BENEFIT OR ENHANCEMENT. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT OF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE ME TO. I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE ASPECTS TAKING A STEP BACK AT 2050 THE GOAL WITH THE GROCERY 2050 COMMUNITY PLAN WAS TO RECOGNIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND THE DEMAND IN THE MARKET ARE CHANGING RIGHT, SO WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL AND FINDING PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE, UM WHERE WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH DEVIATING FROM THE EXISTING CONTEXT OF THE AREA TO ACCOMMODATE THE CHANGE IN THE MARKET DEMAND. I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT I HAD SAID PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE TRANSITION. EXCUSE ME THE TRANSITION AND WHAT WAS NOTED BY THE RESIDENT LOOKING AT THE DENSITIES IN THE AREA, THE QUAIL CREEK CONDOS THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE STAFF REPORT GENERALLY HAVE EIGHT OR DENSITIES BETWEEN FIVE AND 6.75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE EAST. SO INDIAN TRAILS HAWTHORN WOODS THOSE SIX OR SEVEN SUBDIVISIONS OR SO HAVE ANOTHER DENSITY OF APPROXIMATELY 1.56 ROLLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THE HARRIS FARMS PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS 3.35 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. SO WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA IS OUR STAFF REPORT NOTES. WE DO HAVE TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO TRANSITION BETWEEN THE HIGHER DENSITIES OF THOSE QUAIL CREEK CONDOS AND THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING JUST FROM THE STREET. NUMBER DENSITY. THIS FALLS ALMOST PERFECTLY WITHIN THOSE DENSITIES. UM REITERATING THE GOALS OF 2050 MARKET DEMANDS ARE CHANGING. SO RECOGNIZING THAT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE A LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME TO MAINTAIN. WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE OF PROVIDING A VARIETY OF HOUSING OPTIONS. I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS IT WAS NOTED, DROPPING APARTMENTS INTO THE MIDDLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION. WE CANNOT LEGALLY DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN APARTMENTS AND CONDOMINIUMS IN TERMS OF ZONING OWNERSHIP IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ZONING TOUCOOKINY , THE APPROPRIATENESS THE ARCHITECTURE OF DEVELOPMENTS HERE. A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COULD BE RENTED, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE CITY REGULATES THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSION OF THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU FATHER UP ON

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MANY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENTS ARE ALL P U D TO GIVE US THAT EXTRA QUALITY OF ASSURANCE OF THE AESTHETICS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WE DO NOT GET A SINGLE FAMILY STRAIGHT ZONED DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF REWRITING OUR ZONING CODE, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR STANDARDS JUST DO NOT RESULT IN A CHARACTER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET REALLY GROSS CITY 2050 PLAN IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY THE MULTI FAMILY STANDARDS. JUST DO NOT MOST OF OUR MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY. DON'T MEET OUR STRAIGHTENED ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS. SO WE ARE WE ARE WORKING TO, UM TO UPDATE OUR CODE, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN RIGHT NOW R P U D YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THE PLANNING COMMITTEE SORRY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC? UM I MY NAME IS JAMIE NEAL. I LIVE AT 64284 ROAD, SO JUST SOUTH OF WHERE WE'RE DISCUSSING, AND, UM I DO LIKE EVERYTHING, BASICALLY , THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN CHANGED. IT DOES LOOK BETTER, HOWEVER. I HAVE TO CAUTION YOU CANNOT TERMINATE BORDER ROAD. NORTH OF 6 65. EVEN WHEN YOUR ROAD WAS JUST PAVED LAST YEAR AND THEN TERMINATED. I LIVED TWO DRIVEWAYS DOWN FROM 6 65. THE TRAFFIC IS LITERALLY BACKED UP PAST MY DRIVEWAY. TRYING TO FIND A WAY AND THEN YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER. UM ROAD COMING INTO 6 65 TERMINATING BARB ROAD RIGHT? THERE WOULD BE I MEAN, CALLED A SACK. UM ROUNDABOUT, FANTASTIC.

TRAFFIC LIGHT. FANTASTIC ANYTHING THAT MOVES TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE AT A DECENT PACE WOULD BE GREAT. I JUST TERMINATING WOULD BE TERRIBLE IDEA JUST MIGHT CHOOSE. THAT'S THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. STREET RUN 5961 MORE ROAD AND THE MOST NORTH HOUSE ON BOARD THAT BACKS UP TO THIS PROPERTY. UM MINDS MORE OF A STATEMENT BECAUSE MOST OF MY ISSUES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED . I HAD A MEETING WITH MR SYMON ELO BEFORE THE INITIAL PLANNING MEETING TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT WAS SHOWN ORIGINALLY, WITH THE LOTS AND THE TREES BEING CUT DOWN. AND IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED HERE. WHERE THE PROPERTY NORTH OF THE POWER LINES NO LONGER HAS DEVELOPMENTS IN IT. LIKE THIS REPRESENTATION. AS A LITTLE AS MUCH OF THE TREES CUT DOWN, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. SO UM, I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT INSTEAD OF JUST THROWING OUT COMPLAINTS. WE WORK TOGETHER TO ADDRESS MY SPECIFIC ISSUES AND THE OTHER THREE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT AREA BECAUSE WE OUT OF THE HOUSE IS IN THE SIDE THAT BACK UP TO THE PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE HERE. WE HAVE THE SMALLEST LOTS AND WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFECTED PRETTY DRASTICALLY BY HAVING THE LOTS RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD, SO I APPRECIATE THE FLIPPING OF THE PROPERTIES AND ACCOMMODATING OUR REQUEST. I DO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT MORE ROAD ALSO. AND THIS IS REALLY NOTHING

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IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT. UM SO BEING A RESIDENT THERE ON BOARD, ROAD FIRST AND FOREMOST. REALLY PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES THAT HE'S MADE THAT IS SIMILAR AS CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AND HAS FLIPPED THAT. I THINK THAT REALLY AT LEAST TURNS THAT AREA INTO MORE OF A COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GO IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES THAN WHAT IT WAS BEFORE, SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT THAT CHANGE. UH BARB OR READ. I KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER BIG TOPIC HERE. SHOULD WE CLOSE IT? SHOULD WE NOT CLOSE IT. UM TO BE HONEST, IF WE CLOSED IT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH MY KIDS FINALLY PLAYING IN THE FRONT YARD. RIGHT RIGHT NOW THIS MONTH. IT'S JUST NOT SAFE. PEOPLE GO TO 70 MILES AN HOUR.

DOWN THAT ROAD. YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE PROOF FROM THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. WHEN THEY PUT THAT SPIRIT THAT I SIT OUT FRONT. WATCH EVERYBODY GO BY. SO UM, SHOULDN'T BE CLOSED. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT OF SOME OF THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY ON THAT ROAD FOR IT TO BE CLOSED. WOULD IT IMPACT TRAFFIC? I MEAN, THE ONLY ISSUES I SEE NOW WE'RE TRAFFIC BACKS UP THERE IS WHEN SOMEBODY PULLS OUT. AN INTERSECTION GETS IN AN ACCIDENT, AND NOW IT'S BACKED UP ALL THE WAY DOWN. DO I SEE A STOPPED OUT THERE OTHERWISE NOT TYPICALLY. SO I I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT THERE WOULD BE A LARGE IMPACT ON CLOSING THAT INTERSECTION. UM OBVIOUSLY CONNECTING HATHORN PARKWAY THERE. MIGHT BE THE IDEAL WAY TO GO BECAUSE THEN REMOVES THAT OFFSET BUT BEYOND THAT, I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME THIS MY ONLY COMMENTS AND GUTS AND RESTING WERE ADDRESSED BY BOARDING OTHER MEMBERS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. YEAH. SURROUNDING WHAT ELSE? YEAH. I LEAVE A LOT OF IMPORTANT. SORRY.

COULD YOU JUST ONE MORE TIME IN YOUR ADDRESS? 23 66 LONDON ROAD , SO I LEAVE ALL SMALL, SMALL THREE YOUNGER OVER THERE, AND MY PROPERTY IS PRETTY SMALL ALREADY , SO I'M VERY BAD. MY PRIVACY BEHIND IT. ALL MY PROPERTY LINE IS CREEK. THE SMALL BUT BESIDE OF GUNSHOT GUNSHOT IS MY PROPERTY. BESIDE THE GUN SHOP. THIS IS MY PROPERTY. YEAH. YES. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU BRIBE WAS WANTS TO DO WITH ANYTHING. I HOPE YOU DON'T WANT TO TOUCH BECAUSE IT'S GIVE IT TO US.

PRETTY NICE. UH, PRIVACY AND. THE TROPHY IQ ON LONDON AIRPORT ROAD IS SO HORRIBLE. IF YOU PUT ANY AROUND THE ABOUT OR TRAFFIC LIGHT. IS GOING TO BACK UP TRAFFIC SO MUCH SO ALL THE WILL BE CALLED IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. SO I THINK TRAFFIC NEEDS TO BE FLOWED AS SOME KIND OF WAY. SO WHEN I'M TRYING TO TURN IN MY DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT YEAH, BUT I'M TOURING. YOU HAVE HAD TO SLOW DOWN AND SO MUCH. CARTER WAS BEHIND ME ALREADY. SO THERE'S SO MUCH TRAFFIC OVER THERE ALREADY. THAT'S THE ONLY YEAH. THANK YOU. YES JUST ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. THE

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RIGHT? I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD. BUT I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LEFT HAND TURN LANE. PLUS THE THROUGH TRAFFIC LING. ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? YEAH. MY NAME IS JAMES TRIES SICK LEAVE AT 6095 WAR ROAD. IT'S THE HOUSE WITH THE BIG POND IS YOU SEE, LIKE THE RACETRACK AROUND IT? GOES TO MY BARN. I HAVE AN 800 FT FRONTAGE. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT BORDER WITH YOUR NEW PROPOSED ROAD. I HAVE FIRST QUESTION IS HOW MANY CARS ARE PLANNING ON GOING THROUGH THAT ROAD ON A GIVEN DAY? AND SECOND OF ALL, JUST SITTING BACK THERE LOOKING AT THIS. I LIKE THE DRYING. I KNOW. WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEW NEW HOUSES. I'M ALL FOR IT. WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLANS, I GUESS IT'S AREAS SEE. THE MOST DIFFICULT RACETRACK. AND I LOOKED ANYWHERE AROUND IT. IN THIS KIND OF LIKE MORE HOUSES THAN ANY OTHER AREA LIKE 34. IS THAT REALLY NECESSARY? I MEAN, I REALIZED GROUP SEES GROWING, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS TOO MANY HOUSES AND TOO SMALL OF A SPOT.

AND I KIND OF WONDER IF WE REALLY NEED THAT. I'M SORRY. I JUST I FEEL I FEEL KIND OF BETRAYED BY MY TWO GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS DRAWING AND IT'S A HIGH DENSITY AREA. HIGHER DENSITY IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLANS, HIGHER DENSITY I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

I DON'T KNOW WHY. BUT THEN I LOOKED AT JACKSON TOWNSHIP. AND IN THEIR PLAN, WHICH IS FIVE YEARS OLDER THAN YOURS, IT SAYS. WORTH WERE CLASSIFIED AS AN S. SPMEANS A TRANSITION AREA BETWEEN GROUPS CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREA. IT SAYS THE AVERAGE HOUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE CHART SHOULD BE ONE ACRE HOUSES ALL THE WAY DOWN BOARD ROAD THAT WHOLE SECTION I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. DIDN'T THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S OUT. BUT SOMEHOW, AFTER LIVING IN MY HOUSE FOR 38 YEARS AND THINKING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BIGGER LOTS. I KNOW FIVE ACRES IS WAY TOO BIG AND I REALIZED THAT ECONOMY IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT. BUT THERE'S JUST TOO MANY HOUSES IN THAT ONE AREA. I'M SORRY. THAT'S MY ONLY COMPLAINT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC I HAVE GOING PAST MY HOUSE BECAUSE I'M SUDDENLY GOING FROM BEING IN THE COUNTRY TO BEING THE HIGHWAY. THANK YOU. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DENSITY OBURE. BECAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOU A LOT AND I STILL IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT I WOULD LIVE. BUT, UM I GOT WITH ARCHITECTS THAT ARE FRIENDS OF MINE WITH URBAN DEVELOPER BECAUSE THEY JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. THE SMALL LOTS OF WHY WE DID FUEL OF THE WAY WE DID IT. BUT THEY DIDN'T. THEY DIDN'T BUILD THE WALL FOR ME. THEY DIDN'T BUILD BOTH BUELLER FOR YOU. IT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE 25 TO 40 YEAR OLDS OF WHAT THEY WANT. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE $2500 APARTMENTS THAT I CAN'T WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THAT AND AS QUICKLY AS THEY PUT THOSE APARTMENTS IN THOSE BUILDINGS ARE FULL. AND WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR KIDS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GRANDVIEW. THEY'RE GOING TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY THAT PROVIDES THIS STUFF AND WALKING COMMUNITIES AND STUFF AND IT REALLY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF YOU'LL HELP ME A LOT TO UNDERSTAND THIS KIND OF STUFF BECAUSE AGAIN. THESE LOTS ARE NOTHING THAT I WOULD BUY. YOU COULD JUST MY WIFE AND I WOULD NOT LIVE BUT I'M 56 YEARS OLD.

AND I JUST LOOK AT THE WORLD DIFFERENT THAN A 25 TO 40 YEAR OLD DOES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DENSITY OF THESE LOTS? BIGGER THAN A LOT MORE THAN THE COST OF THESE HOMES ARE BORN. BUT I

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IT'S 4 50. AND IT JUST THE BIGGER THE LOT. THE MORE ALL THE STUFF YOU WANT TO GO OVER AND IT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MARKETS AND WHAT FOLKS WANT. THEY WANT THESE $2500 APARTMENTS , RENTALS AND WE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS. IT'S LIKE DAVE'S HAS THAT YOU KNOW FRIENDS ARE MOVING IN FIVE YEARS. THEY GOT PLANS OF FLORIDA. BUT THEY'RE FINISHING OUT THEIR CAREER FOR THREE YEARS. AND THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT THEY WANT TO LIVE AND THESE ARE REALLY NICE. PEOPLE ESTABLISH PEOPLE GROW CITY. THEY SOLD THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF A BIG YARD.

BUT IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. AND GOING THROUGH . THE VIEW OF THING MAKES ME UNDERSTAND THIS NOW IT'S NOT WHERE I WOULD WANT TO LIVE. BUT AGAIN. I DON'T THINK THAT THESE HOMES WERE BUILT FOR ME AND MY WIFE. IT'S LOVE FOR WHAT A LOT OF THE FOLKS WANT. AND THAT'S WHAT MR SIMILE IS VERY GOOD AT HIS MARKET OF WHAT FOLKS WOULDN'T HE COULD BUILD THE PEOPLE WANT TO BUY THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A BUNCH OF EMPTY LOTS. IT'S SAD PINNACLE AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN THERE THAT WE STILL HAVE A STATE LOTS OPEN OVER THERE. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE DID THE PARADE. HE THOUGHT THE THING WAS JUST GOING TO FILL UP QUICK, YOU KNOW, BUT AND I LIVED IN THE SMALLER HOMES AND I'M GLAD YOU PUT THE GREENS IN BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE MY WIFE AND I MOVED BACK TO OUR CITY. WE LIVE FOR FIVE YEARS. WE LOVED IT THERE AND WERE PART OF IT.

THAT'S A LOT MORE DENSE THAN THIS. THE GREENS IS A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS IT IT'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY. TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. THAT'S PART OF ONCE WE GET THESE THE PRELIMINARY DRAWINGS, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DO ALL THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES BEFORE THE FINAL PLAN THAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT STUFF. OKAY BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR FOLKS CONCERNS I REALLY DO. WHAT MAKES A SOUND YOU SAY VOTE FOR IT, AND WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND FIND OUT WITH THE FINAL DRAWING IS IT'S THIS IS THE PULMONARY DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT THE FINAL, SO YOU'VE GOT TO DO THE PRELIMINARY TO GET THE ACTIVATE THESE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? SEEMS MIKE MASON I LIVE AT 23 92 LONDON GROUP COURT ROAD. AND THE SIDE EAST SIDE LINE IN MY PROPERTY RUNS ON THE WHOLE BUTTS UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY HERE IN QUESTION. BEEN HERE BEFORE AND TALKED ABOUT THIS. I JUST LIKE TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE I I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE APARTMENTS.

I THINK THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS ON THE AREA. AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE AREA. I THINK IT'S HUGE.

YEAH THESE ARE $2500 APARTMENTS. BUT FOR HOW LONG? AND THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REFERRING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR LONG TERM. LIKE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO HAVE YOU KNOW SOMETHING INVESTED IN THAT AREA. SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING IN MOVING OUT 20 TO 40 YEAR OLDS. I KNOW WHAT I DID WHEN I WAS THAT AGE. I NEVER I DIDN'T GET ESTABLISHED UNTIL LATER ON, YOU KNOW? AS FAR AS MY LIVING GIRLS. BUT. I THINK THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE PUT IN HERE? I MISSED THAT. THAT WHOLE AREA. IS IT IS 205 TOTAL APARTMENTS. OKAY? AND DO WE REALLY HAVE THE NEED THERE FOR 205 APARTMENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW? UPSCALE APARTMENTS. I ASSUME THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM AND ALSOS INTO THE AREA. UM BECAUSE EVERYONE HERE IS TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THEM IN THIS PLACE THAT THIS AREA THIS PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPED YET, AND WE ALREADY HAVE HUGE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. AND I'M ALL FOR DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE THAT EXIST THERE AND THE AREA AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE AREA. UM IF YOU WERE INSTANCE IF YOU PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN IT WHOLE FOREIGN PARKWAY AND 6 65. CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY, MOSTLY MORNING AND AFTERNOON AND EVENING. WE ALREADY HAVE TRAFFIC. YOU'RE BACK IN. ALL THE WAY UP FROM HOOVER WROTE. WHEN THE LIGHT IS RED UP THERE, BACK, SCREW UP PAST MY PROPERTY AND ON DOWN NOW, IF YOU PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE WHICH JUST THOSE TWO LANES ONE Y IN EACH DIRECTION. I MEAN, THAT IS GOING TO BE HUGE

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WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW, 11 HUGE WAREHOUSES GOING IN ON ONE OF FOUR. ALL THAT TRAFFIC FROM THERE IS GOING TO BE ACCESSING 71 THROUGH 6 65. UM. THE OTHER THING I HAVE THE DRAWBACK OF HEALTHY APARTMENT IS AND I CAN GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. UM NOWADAYS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S $2500 APARTMENTS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU KNOW GOOD PEOPLE MOVING INTO THOSE APARTMENTS. A LOT OF TIMES . WHAT PEOPLE DO NOWADAYS IS THEY HAVE FAMILIES WHO JUST KIND OF BOND TOGETHER, SEVERAL OF THEM AND RENT A PLACE. AND I'LL GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT THERE'S A HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME THAT PAUL HARRIS STONES AND THERE ARE FOUR. GENERATIONS OF ONE FAMILY THAT LIVED THERE. SO THERE'S A LADY THAT LIVES THERE. THERE'S TWO OF HER DAUGHTERS.

THEY'RE TWO OF THEIR CHILDREN AND ALSO ONE OF THE DAUGHTERS. GIRLFRIENDS. AND THEN THERE WAS A SON THAT LIVED THERE ALSO, BUT HE HAS, YOU KNOW, PASSED AWAY. YEAH JUST LAST SUMMER, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO REGULATE. THERE'S NO REGULATIONS ON THESE APARTMENTS THAT SAY WHO MOVES IN HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE THERE? SO YOU KNOW, AND THESE PEOPLE ARE FINE THAT LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME. DON'T GET ME WRONG. I MEAN, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT THE THING IS, THEY PROBABLY GOT FOUR OR FIVE CARS THERE ALL THE TIME. AND IF YOU'VE GOT THESE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING WITH THESE APARTMENTS THAT THERE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING I THINK IT'S GOING TO CREATE EVEN LARGER, MUCH LARGER TRAFFIC PROBLEM THAN WHAT EVERYONE THINKS WE HAVE NOW ARE OR IT'S GOING TO GENERATE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC. AND THEN WHAT THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN BECAUSE IF THESE PEOPLE DON'T RENT THESE APARTMENTS, THEY'RE GOING TO GO TO ANY LINKS TO KEEP THEM RENTED. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THAT. WE'VE ALL SEEN UPSCALE, DESIRABLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE YOU KNOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST COULDN'T WAIT TO LIVE THERE. BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE VACANCIES AND A MANAGEMENT COMPANY WILL COME IN AND DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO FILL UP THOSE VACANCIES. AND THEN THOSE COMMUNITIES START GOING DOWN HILL. YOU KNOW THEY START THERE'S A LOT OF CRIME INVOLVED DRUGS, DIFFERENT THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STORES UP THERE CLOSE BY TO THIS. PROPERTY UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED THE CRIME ITSELF AND IN THOSE PLACES OF BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, CAUSE THOSE BUSINESSES TO SHUT DOWN A LOT OF TIMES, AND THEN YOU JUST GET ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES MOVING IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME. I JUST THINK THAT APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE INTEGRITY OF THIS AREA AND FOR THE HOUSES THAT EXIST THERE NOW AND EVERYBODY THAT'S IN HAWTHORNE PARKWAY NORTH AND INDIAN TRAILS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXIT ON THE 6 65, WHICH IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO HOOVER ROAD. LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO CALL THE TRAFFIC JAM THERE. UM YOU KNOW? I THINK THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT JOSEPH MONDELLO AND PAUL HARRIS . THEY'RE IN THIS TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN. UM AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU. NO PROFIT. BUT YOU KNOW IN MAXIMIZING PROFIT AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE NOW IN THE COMMUNITY. AND UM THERE'S. I THINK FROM WHAT I SEE, I'VE LIVED AROUND HERE A LONG TIME. THERE'S OTHER PLACES AROUND. BROKE CITY THAT YOU KNOW, OR IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HOSPITALS AND OTHER PLACES OF BUSINESS HERE IN THE GROUP CITY WHERE WE CAN BUILD APARTMENTS. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY THE RIGHT PLACE. TO PUT THEM PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PAUL HARRIS'S HOUSE AND HOW NICE IT IS. WELL WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BUILD A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS AROUND IT? I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

AND WE ALSO HAVE OTHER NICE HOMES IN THAT AREA AND THE ENTRAILS HAWTHORNE PARKWAY, NEWARK. I CONSIDER MY HOUSE TO BE NICE AND OTHER HOMES IN THAT AREA. AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO BUILD A BUNCH OF APARTMENTS AROUND. AND AGAIN. I ALSO DISAGREE WITH THE DISTANCES THE DENSITY. I'M SORRY. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE LOTS WERE BIGGER THAN WHAT THEY ARE. WHAT THEY'RE SUGGESTING, AND, UH. SORRY. I'VE TALKED A LOT, BUT I JUST YOU

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MR TITUS? YES. MR FARNSWORTH? YES. CHAIR OYSTER. NO. MR ROCK. YES WITH THE COMMENT. THE.

PRELIMINARY IS THE START OF THE CONVERSATION. THIS WILL TRIGGER THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH IS GREATLY NEEDED VERY YEAH, HEAVY LIFTING IS YET TO BE DONE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT I'M REALLY PRO FOR QUALITY HOUSING FOR ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT IN LIFE. AND. THE SAFETY ASPECT OF 6 65 4. I'LL THROW HIM PARKWAY FOR ALL REALLY BIG ITEMS TO BE DEALT WITH. SO I'M YES ON PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND MR FREE.

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