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STUFF LIKE OH, WELL, YEAH. OKAY. WE'VE GOT ABOUT YOURSELF. OKAY I'M CALLED THE SPEED IN ORDER TO
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CALL THE ROLL PLACE. YES MR GRANT HERE AND MR HALDEMAN. OKAY AND THEY NOTED THIS OR HOLLOW.[2. Approve the minutes from the May 23, 2023 meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals.]
YEAH OKAY. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 23 22 23 MEETING IN THE BOARD OF SOMETHING THAT KILLS SECOND. THAT OKAY, THAT'S IT WILL BE MY MOTION IN HIS SECOND. UM MR GRANT? YES, MR. OKAY, IF YOU ANYONE THAT WANTS TO TESTIFY IF YOU'LL STAND YEAH. IF YOU WANT TO TELL ME TO TESTIFY, EMPHASIS, OKAY? HE'LL UM, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A NOTE. JUST UH PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND A FEW HOURS. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT. AND YOU WERE TESTIFYING OF YOUR OWN FREE[3. Hear the appeal of Jacob Cox and Mary Thomas, property owners at 1518 Fairway Dr., (Parcel #040-014977), for a variance to Section 1137.05: to encroach the 25’ front setback on Scotsman Dr. by 4’ for a total setback of 21’, with a 48” tall fence. ]
WILL? YES. YES OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY THE FIRST STOP. I REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE IS THE APPEAL OF GENERAL PARKS AND NARRATIVE PARLIAMENT. AT 15 18 FAIRWAY DRIVE PERSONAL NUMBER 040 AND 01497. FOR A VARIANCE TO SEXUALLY 11 37 05 TO ENCROACH 25 FT SET OUT ON SCOTSMAN DRIVE BY 4 FT FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF 21. FADE WITHIN A 40 WITH A 48 INCH TALL FENCE. UM WHICH ONE OF YOU OR DO YOU WANT TO TESTIFY? OKAY YES. SO WE ARE NEW HOMEOWNERS. I'M SORRY. FIRST HOME. UM SO I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF IGNORANCE ABOUT KNOWING HOW TO, UH, FENCES INSTALLED AND HOW TO GO ABOUT THE LEGAL WAYS TO GET IT. UM SO WE WERE INITIALLY SHOCKED TOGETHER AND I WASN'T AWARE OF BUILD LINES, SO THERE WAS A PREACHER STING DEATH, UM, THAT I THINK THE OWNER IS NOT JUST BEFORE THE OWNERS EVEN PRIOR TO THEM INSTALLED AND BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, THE STEPS AND RIGHT WHERE I BUILD MINE IS GIVING US ABOUT FOUR INCHES OF SPACED IT MANEUVERED TO OUR BACKYARD AND BECAUSE WE HAVE A DOG, WE NEED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TO HER AND HER OWN NEEDS. SO ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR AN EXTRA 4 FT. OUT. THAT WOULD GO AS FAR AS THE EDGE OF OUR PRE EXISTING FLOWERBED. UM AND IT STAYS WITHIN THERE.THERE'S A TREE JUST OUTSIDE THE BED AND IT STAYS INSIDE THAT TREE. OH, THAT'S WORK. IS THAT IT? PRETTY MUCH THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, OKAY? QUESTION. UM. YOU MENTIONED THE BELL. WELL ANYTHING ELSE STATEMENT IF ANY PROPERTY, OTHERS? YEAH NOTIFIED ON THERE WERE LETTERS SENT OUT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. NO ONE RESPONDED RESPONSIBLE NEIGHBORS TALKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. THEY ASKED US ABOUT IT, AND WE JUST FURTHER EXPLAINED IT AND HE SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT NATURE. THIS QUESTION IS REALLY FOR YOU NOW. UM. MY UNDERSTANDING FOR READING THE UM, STAFF REPORT IS THAT THIS WILL NOT BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE CORN. YEAH YEAH, BOTH BOTH THE VIEWS FROM BOTH SIDES IN THE CORNER WON'T BE BLOCKED. OKAY, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY PROBLEM CREATED TO THE TRAFFIC FOR NO. NO PROBLEMS, OKAY? THEN IS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAVE. SO UM LET ME GO AHEAD AND JUST TO CLARIFY YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE WHITE FENCE APPLICATION PICTURE SHOWING UP TO TYPE THAT YOU WANT TO USE CORRECT THE RECORD THAT'S STILL FENCE THAT, UM, MEETS OUR H L A OKAY. OKAY UM, WE GRANTED VARIANTS TO SECTION 11 37.052. THE 25 FT FRONT SETBACK ON SCOTSMAN DRIVE BY 4 FT. FOR A TOTAL SETBACK. 21 FT WITH 48 INCH TALL FENCE. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND, THE WITH THE CONDITIONS? YEAH SURE, BUT WITH THE CONDITION THAT YOU
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STRUCK CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 12 MONTHS OKAY. OKAY. MR BENNETT? YES? AND MR HOLLANDE? YES OKAY.MOTION IS BETTER IMPROVED. I NEED TO ADVISE YOU THAT THE WAY THE SON IN LAW WAS SET UP THAT PEOPLE ANYONE IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY HAS THE RIGHT TO APPEAL OUR DECISION. CITY COUNCIL. WE ALWAYS ADVISE PEOPLE THAT IF THEY WON'T START FOR 21 DAYS, WHICH IS THE TIME PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT ISN'T THEIR OWN RISK. OKAY THAT'S IT. BARRIERS GRANTED, AND YOU MAY LEAVE IF YOU WANT OR YOU CAN STAY FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. ONE MORE THING YOU MENTIONED ABOUT NOT REALLY KNOWN HOW TO DO DEFENSE. YEAH HIGHER LICENSED CONTRACTOR INSPECTIONS AND SUBMIT YOUR STUFF TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. OKAY THANK YOU. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR SOMEONE TO DO IT. I TAKE IT. YOU REALLY GOTTA GO. YEAH THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LEARNED THAT ONE OF THE MORE RECENT MEETINGS. WE HAVE THE CITY REALLY EXPECT SOMEONE WHO IS CERTIFIED FENCE AND STORED AND DO THE WORK. OKAY, OKAY WITH THE PERMITTING INSPECTIONS. YES THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY THEN THE SECOND ITEM FIND OUT HERE. STATE HERE.
[4. Hear the appeal of Fred T. Mock II, property owner at 3552 Orders Rd., (Parcel #040-011962), for a variance to Section 1135.10-I: to encroach the 6’ side yard by 1’, for a total side setback of 5’, with a garage addition. ]
THE APPEAL OF FRENCH T MARK, THE SECOND PROPERTY OWNER AT 35 50 ORDER STRAYED PARCEL NUMBER 040 . 962. VARIOUS SECTION 11 35 POINTS. CAN DASH WHY CUTE, ENCROACHED 6 FT SIDE YARD BY 1 FT. FOR A TOTAL SEVEN SIDE SETBACK WITH SCIENCE SEAT WITH A BARRAGE EDITION. MR MARK, RIGHT , UM, SO OUR PLAN IS TO DO. WE'RE GONNA BE GOING 12 FT TO THE RIGHT AND THEN STARTED TO BACK. UM AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WAS TO GET THE ALL THE EXISTING ANGLES ON THE ROOF. AND THE PITCH. UM TONIGHT, UM, WERE ORIGINALLY LOOKING AT DOING WHAT IS SEVERAL WORKS AND WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE STREET IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, SINGLE GARAGE FOR WHAT WE WERE FINDING OUT AS EVERY TIME. WELL, BRIDGES DRAW HIMSELF. BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE END IT JUST IT DIDN'T LOOK CORRECT. UM SO. THE WAY THAT THE SOUTH THE HOUSE WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY BUILT IT, THEY ACTUALLY CENTER NET INSTEAD OF GET ANYTHING. IS EVERYBODY ELSE WITH THREE CARDS TONIGHT, CORRECT WHERE OURS IS 17 FT ON ONE SIDE AND 18 FT. ON THE OTHER. UM SO WE ARE ASKING FOR THAT EXTRA FOOT TO BE GOING. IT IS. THAT IS A, UM, GREEN SPACE THAT IS NON BUILDABLE. OKAY, UM AND THEN SO I MEAN, YEAH, WITH THE MAGIC DRIVEWAY WITH THE 45 DEGREE, UM, THAT WILL MATCH ALL OF OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORS. MOVING WHAT? CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. OUR PLAN AT THIS POINT IS TO PULL OUR DRIVEWAY AND BOOTED OUT AND REPLACED IT WITH JUVENILE BRAND NEW AND NOT BE CAPTURED THEM. HAVE YOU SPOKEN WITH THE NEIGHBORS YOURSELVES? SPOKEN WITH HIM MULTIPLE TIMES. GOT IT PLAYING THIS FOR 30 YEARS, SO THANK YOU ASKING ME AND I'M LIKE, WELL, UM SEVERAL. YEAH THERE WITH AN ALL NEW, UM, TALKING TO STAGE NEXT DOOR WAS SAYING THAT SO THEIR HOUSE RIGHT HERE IN THE VERY END. YEAH I TAKE IT ONTO THE TREE. YOU CAN ALMOST SEE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE GRASSES TAKE IT THAT THAT'S THE AGE GROUP. THAT'S NOT IT'S NOT AVAILABLE. YES ALMOST. IT'S CAN TELL WHERE THE GAME OVER'S DECIDES TO KNOW THEIR WINE.WELL, YES. NO ONE'S GOING TO REALLY BE INTERFERED WITH AN OUTSIDE POINT. YOU DO KNOW UM AND THEN EXISTING SOCIETY. WE'RE GONNA MATCHES THE 600 CAMERA. WE'RE REPLACING ALL. UM THE LATTER. EVERYTHING HAD TO BE TRUE. QUESTIONS. JUST LOGON AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
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LAKERS DIDN'T NEIGHBORS AGAIN? YES, SAME SITUATION. NO LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THERE WERE NO RESPONSIBILITY. OKAY I TAKE IT THERE. SO OTHER INPUT FROM THE CITY. UM NO. I MEAN, IT'S A RESERVE PARCEL NEXT TO HIM, SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ANYTHING BUILT ON IT. MY ONLY COMMENT IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE RESERVE THERE, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A STREAM THAT KIND OF IT CUTS ACROSS THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT US AT ALL. UM THE REASON WHY EVEN YOU GO OUT. ADDITIONAL YEARS UPON THE RETENTION CONTACT BEHIND YOU, RIGHT? 3 FT. DOWN.YES THERE IS A RETENTION POND AND YEAH, RIGHT ORDER THAT YOU SAY IS WHERE THE COMES THROUGH, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A CREEK THAT RUNS BEHIND OUR HOUSE THAT WE NEED TO. OKAY SO WE'VE ONLY EVER HAD WE'VE LIVED THERE SINCE GENERATING SEEN, I THINK ONCE OR TWICE THE VERY CORNER BACK THERE WHERE THEY IN BONDS COME OVER, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY YEAH, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE THAT LOT OF THIS PART OF THAT RESERVE HOLD YEAH, JUST IN CASE YOU KNOW, HE STARTS PLAYING THIS OUT. IF HE NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE RENTAL, ACTUALLY SAY, SORT OF 1 FT. YOU KNOW, GOING ADDITIONAL 3 FT. AND THEN THAT WAY, IF YOU NEEDED IT COULD USE IT. IF NOT, HE DOESN'T HAVE BUT NOT TO EXTEND MORE THAN RIGHT NOW. HE'S SAYING WHAT? EXTEND 1 FT INTO IT, BUT NOTHING'S GONNA GO THERE, DECIDING HE'S SO FAR OFF THE BORDERS AROUND THAT. YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST APPEARS LIKE THAT IS HIS YARD. OKAY IS THAT YOURS OUT ? YEAH DOES IT IT WAS ONE THING THAT APPEALED. IT WASN'T WITHOUT ANY EFFECT ON IT. AND LIKE I SAID, THE LADIES JUST SOUTH AND IT'S NOT THAT WOULD AFFECT THE FIGHT. NOT FUN. NO, IT DOESN'T AREA. YEAH IT WAS THAT LANDRY.
SURE. BECAUSE OF THE FLOATPLANE . IS THAT WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT A HOUSE ONE OUT TO THE CORNER OF ORDERS FROZE. OH I'M SORRY, ALMAGRO WRONG, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING. YEAH LOOK AT THAT. YEAH THERE YOU GO. DISTANCE MAKE CREEK IS IN IN THOSE TREES THAT RUN PARALLEL. TO OWN RIGHT? YEAH. AND THEN I JUST GOES BACK AND GOES STUFF YOU SERVE. IT ALSO TAKES IN THE POND TO THE NORTH. IT'S ALMOST RESERVE. SO ACTUALLY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STANCES HE COULD ACTUALLY GO. LITTLE BIT MORE. YES YES, AND WE'VE HAD THIS BEFORE SOMEBODY COME IN. I THINK YOU WOULDN'T BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE LONG NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, THEN THEY COME BACK AGAIN AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GOT THE CONTRACT INVOLVED PEOPLE IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WORK OUT. AND MIGHT GET SAILORS REALLY NOTHING THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE WHEN IN FACT, NOTHING JUST OUR CURIOSITY . IS YOUR HOUSE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SOUTH SIDE OR SIDE.
IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. SOUTH SIDE. IS JACKSON. OKAY WHO GRANTED THE BARRIERS IN THE EVENING OR TO GO TO POPPY YOUNGER WHO WAS HIS HOUSE WAS PRETTY FAR BACK FROM ORDERS, RIGHT? HE WAS DOWN MORE TOWARDS HOOVER, LIKE DOWNLOADING TOWARDS WHO WHO. AND THERE WAS ONE AND I HAD FINISHED UP IN THERE AND TURN IT IN THE CITY. THAT WAS, UM DOWN AND IT WAS BUILT WITHIN SINCE 2020 YEARS AND THAT ONE WAS 14 BY 30 32 MORE SIZE I'VE HEARD, I THINK GIVEN UM, BECAUSE THE IDEA IS THAT WAS EXACTLY FEDERAL PRESENT. UM SUPER NEIGHBORS. YOU DON'T KNOW THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I KNOW THAT YOUR NUMBERS DOESN'T CONCLUDE FROM YOUR WEDDING VISUALLY BEING, LET'S SEE WHAT SO UM. JUST HERE. MIKE CAN WE JUST AMEND THIS 2 3 FT RIGHT NOW ? PROBABLY YES, AND NOT FACE SIEGE, RIGHT? YEAH WE MAKE THE MOTION YOU WANT TO, OR YOU KNOW , I JUST HOWEVER YOU WANT OKAY? WOW. I MOVED TO GO. WE GRANT A VARIANCE SECTION 11 35.10 DASH ONE. TO ENCROACH THE 6 FT SIDE YARD BY 1 FT. FOR A TOTAL SIDE STEP OUT OF 5 FT WITH A GARAGE
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EDITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT CONSTRUCTION BE STARTED WITHIN 12 MONTHS CHALLENGING, WE CHANGE THAT. THREE THINGS. MONEY IS TO JUMP IN. MAKE IT 3333 SORRY. THANKS FOR 23, OKAY? SO IT WILL BE IN THAT HOUR. I MAKE THE MOTION TOTAL SITE SETBACK. GOAT FOLLOWED 5 FT. 100. OR CHANGING THE CHANGING GREASY THE SIXTH TO APPROACH THE 6. FT SIDE YARD BY 3 FT BY THREE BY THREE SO THAT IT WOULD BE A TOTAL SIDE SETBACK OF 3 FT. YEAH OK, 73. THAT'S FINE. I'M SORRY. NO NO HIGH SECOND. OKAY MR BRENT? YES MR HONG? YES STIPULATION? YEAH YEAH . STIPULATION I PUT IN THERE, OKAY? AND THEN I HAVE TO ADVISE YOU THE SAME WAY THAT ANY RESIDENT GROUPS CITY HAS A RIGHT TO APPEAL THIS CITY COUNCIL WITHIN 21 DAYS, SO IF YOU START TO CONSTRUCTION 20 UM BEFORE THE 25 1 DAY AT YOUR OWN RISK. PRETTY THAT'S IT. START CONTRACT . SURE YOU GO PLANS PLANS AND PREVENTS ABILITY DEPARTMENT. OKAY YOU UNDERSTAND? I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE PROCEDURE BETTER THAN THEY MIGHT HAVE. YEAH WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL THE ARCHITECT DRAW SWIMS UP AND EVERYTHING.YES SO, UM, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROSTITUTION IMPORTANT LOSSES. JUST ME FOR THEM. IT'S ALL OF THOSE. ARCHITECTURE OF THAT ONE SECOND RESPONSIVE. WELL THANK YOU FOR COMING AND CORRECT THE OTHER. GOOD APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM THAT IS STUPID. W DO
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YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BUT I DON'T GOT NOTHING. NOTHING. OKAY HERE AND A MINUTE, ALREADY ADVISED LAURA THAT I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING AS I DISCUSSED EARLIER THREE POINTS MONDAY, JULY TONY AND GEORGE WILL BOTH HAVE TO BE HERE, RIGHT ? MORE RIGHT? SOMEONE THEY WANT TO CONTACT THE WAY YOU DID TODAY . CERTAIN YOU WILL HAVE IMPORTANT DO YOU HAVE ANY CASES RIGHT NOW? UM I THINK THERE IS ONE THAT IS BEING, UH, APPLICATIONS ARE BEING PUT IN RIGHT NOW. BUT IT'S NOT NOT OFFICIAL YET. I DON'T THINK IT'S OK CESARI. YEAH OH, YEAH, THEY'RE MOST LIKELY MOSTLY BE A CASE FOR SURE. OKAY? AND I'LL I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MR HAMMOND, MR DOMINGO ARE BOTH GETTING CONTACTED THE MAKE SURE WE'LL HAVE CORN, BUT THE NEXT ONE, OKAY. IF SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN THAT YOU COULDN'T BEAT THEM THE NEXT WEEK AFTER THAT. RIGHT I REALIZED THAT WOULD BE PUTTING IT OFF. OUR DOESN'T USUALLY LIKE TO DO THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW I'M SUPPOSED TO COME OUT SOMETIME AFTER THE 20 8 20 MILLION, RIGHT ? YEAH IF ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS AREN'T THERE, THEN I'M SURE TO GET BACK TO THAT NEXT WEEK WHEN WE WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, OKAY? IF YOU WANT TO JERK. OKAY WELL, THE WAY WE USUALLY DO IT, WE DON'T MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AGENCY GERMAN . OKAY SO, YES, YOU GOT