Dec 02, 2024 City Council

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I ALWAYS HATE TO DO THIS WHEN IT'S SO QUIET. GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION.

PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. MAY I HAVE THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL? MISS KELLY HERE. ANDERSON. HERE. SIEGRIST, HERE. HOUK HERE. HOLT, HERE. BERRY HERE. DUE HERE. ALL RIGHT, THEN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE

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YES. YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS AT THE TOP OF OUR AGENDA. WELCOME,

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[Ordinance C-45-24 Approve the Rezoning of 2121 Sonora Drive from C-1 (Service Commercial) to C-2 (retail commercial). Second reading and public hearing. ]

ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY FROM DEVELOPMENT WANT TO COMMENT? NO COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I KNOW I MET YOU WHEN YOU WERE AT PLANNING COMMISSION. YEAH. YES. SO THIS IS THIS IS GREAT. I KNOW YOU WANT TO WORK WITH CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES AND. YEP. YEAH. YEP. THAT'S OUR GOAL.

SO WONDERFUL. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVE A SEAT. SEEING NO QUESTIONS THIS HAS A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. HENDERSON. YES. YES YES YES GARY. YES. YOU. YES. BURROWS. YES. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM UNDER LANDS THIS

[Ordinance C-54-24 Accept the Plat of Hickory Creek, Section 1 located on Orders Road. Second reading and public hearing. ]

ANDERSON. YES. AND BEFORE I TURN THIS BACK OVER TO MADAM PRESIDENT, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE

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[Ordinance C-49-24 Declaring the improvement of certain real property located in the City to be a public purpose, exempting 100%of the value of such improvement from real property taxation for 30 years; creating the Harris Farm TIF Incentive District; declaring the improvements to real property within the Incentive District to be a public purpose; exempting 100% of the value of such improvements within the Incentive District from real property tax for 30 years; describing the public infrastructure improvements made or to be made to directly benefit or serve the parcels for which improvements are declared to be a public purpose; requiring the owners of parcels for which improvements are declared to be a public purpose to make annual service payments in lieu of taxes during the periods of exemption; establishing a Municipal Public Improvement Tax Increment Equivalent Fund for the deposit of such service payments; and approving related matters. Second reading and public hearing.]

[Ordinance C-55-24 Appropriate $1,081,320.00 from the General Fund for the Current Expense of processing an Income Tax Refund. Second reading public hearing.]

BUT THAT IS AN INCREDIBLE PROJECT. PEOPLE LOVE THE STREET LIGHTS. THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT HE HAD TO BUY SUNGLASSES FOR HIS WIFE, BUT IT REALLY IS AN INCREDIBLE ACHIEVEMENT. AND THANKS TO SURGERY AND EVERYBODY ELSE AND EVANS AND BECKWITH FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN, THANK YOU.

SORRY ABOUT THAT, SIR. SO ORDINANCE C 5524 APPROPRIATING $1,081,320 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE CURRENT EXPENSE OF PROCESSING AND INCOME TAX REFUN. ANY DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THERE'S NO ONE LISTED FROM THE PUBLIC. MAY I ASK MR. DONNELLY TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK TO THIS? OUR SPECIAL SERVICE. IMPORTANT TO JUST GIVE THE PUBLIC OVERVIEW FOR THE RECORD, IF YOU COULD. SO I CAN'T LEGALLY REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT THE TAXPAYER THAT MAY GIVE SOMEBODY A CHANCE TO GUESS WHO IT IS. BUT THIS IS A REFUND OF TAXES THAT WERE ESTIMATED, TAXES THAT WERE PAID THROUGHOUT LAST YEAR. THE TAXPAYER FILED THE RETURN. AND IT'S AN OVERPAYMENT AND THEY'RE ENTITLED TO HAVE IT BACK. BETWEEN THEM AND THE READER, ONE. WE HAD A NUMBER OF TAXPAYERS MAKE VERY LARGE ESTIMATED TAX PAYMENTS A FEW YEARS BACK OR TWO YEARS BACK.

THEY WERE IN FAR EXCESS OF WHAT WE ESTIMATED THEIR LIABILITY WAS GOING TO BE. FOR THE ONES WITH RITA, THOSE TAXPAYERS CHOSE TO ROLL THEM OVER. AND SO THEY'LL THEY HAVE PREPAID FIVE, TEN YEARS OF TAXES, WHICH IS GOING TO REDUCE WHAT WE COLLECT GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE THAT MONEY COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING ON HUGE OVERPAYMENTS. BUT THIS ONE, THE TAXPAYER ASKED FOR THE REFUND. YOU MIGHT MENTION THE STATE OF OHIO, HOW THEY FILED VERSUS RIT.

THIS WAS FILED THROUGH THE STATE OF OHIO. THE STATE OF OHIO ADMINISTERS THIS TAXPAYER'S NET PROFIT ACCOUNT. WHEN WE GET AN OVERPAYMENT THAT IS EXCESSIVE, BOTH RITA AND THE STATE OF OHIO CONTACT THE TAXPAYER TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. IT WASN'T A MISTAKE THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY, BUT WHEN A REFUND IS REQUESTED, THE STATE OF OHIO REFUNDS THAT MONEY ON OUR BEHALF AND THEN BILLS US FOR THAT WITH THE REGIONAL INCOME TAX AGENCY.

THEY WILL OFTEN REACH OUT WITH A LARGE REFUND LIKE THIS AND TALK TO THE TAXPAYER AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE SOME SORT OF PAYMENT OVER TIME, INTEREST FREE AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH THE STATE OF OHIO. IT'S JUST THE MONEY IS LEFT. AND NOW WE HAVE TO REIMBURSE IT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING AND A GREAT EXPLANATION. I MIGHT HAVE

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YES. ANDERSON. YES, YES, YES. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ORDINANCE C, 5724, AUTHORIZING

[Ordinance C-57-24 Authorize the City Administrator to execute the Intergovernmental Agreement with Jackson Township. First reading. ]

THIS IS THE FIRST READING. IT BEING NO DISCUSSION THIS WILL HAVE THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE DECEMBER 16TH. ORDINANCE C 5824 APPROPRIATE A MILLION DOLLARS

[Ordinance C-58-24 Appropriate $1,000.00 from the Deposit Trust Fund and Reduce Appropriation Amounts for Various Funds. First reading]

[Ordinance C-56-24 Amend Section 903.05 of the Codified Ordinances titled Intoxication to permit alcohol at certain pavilions with authorization from the Director of Parks & Recreation. Second reading public hearing. ]

ANDERSON. YES, YES. HOUCK. YES. HOLT. YES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR. BERRY. OKAY, THAT BRINGS US TO THE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE EAGLE PAVILION FOR A POTLUCK BEFORE THE YEAR IS OUT. I WILL BRING THE NOODLE SALAD. I VOLUNTEER. SO THIS BRINGS US TO

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THIS EVENING. FIRST, CARTER DOWELL. DID I GET YOUR NAME RIGHT? YEAH. YOU DID YOUR

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SHE WAS TIRED, AND I WAS. I WAS TIRED TOO. AND THEY WANTED TO GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT AT LOCAL CANTINA AND HER FRIEND MEL WAS WALKING OUT, AND THERE'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT DROP LIKE THE STEP IS UNEVEN. I GOT A PICTURE OF IT ON MY PHONE IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE IT, I DON'T. I DIDN'T PRINT PICTURES OUT AT THE LIBRARY. I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S LIKE A ON ONE SIDE. IT'S A TWO INCH DROP AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, IT'S 6.5IN. AND SHE FELL AND BROKE HER ARM. AND WE WENT AND WE WENT TO THE WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE MANAGER OF LOCAL CANTINA. AND HE SAID, WELL, WE'VE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT BEFORE. WE WANTED TO FIX IT, BUT THEY SAID, IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY. SO I KIND OF JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR GUYS'S ATTENTION THAT THERE'S A STEEP STEP BY LOCAL CANTINA AND IT'S KIND OF DANGEROUS FOR SOME SENIOR CITIZENS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I GOT. VERY IMPORTANT. CAN YOU STAY UP THERE, BUDDY? YEAH. VERY IMPORTANT. SO I'M SURE YOU HAVE THE PICTURE AND STUFF. CAN YOU SHARE THAT PICTURE WITH OUR CLERK OF COURTS? AND ALSO WHICH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT? I CAN DO THAT FOR YOU. I'VE GOT THE MEASUREMENTS AND EVERYTHING FOR YOU. YES. I TOOK A BUNCH OF PICTURES OF IT. NO, I MEAN, WE'RE REALLY GLAD YOU'RE HERE. ANYONE? CARTER. OUR SAFETY DIRECTOR, MR. TELFORD, IS STANDING RIGHT HERE AS WELL. SO CONNECT WITH HIM BEFORE YOU LEAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. ALL RIGHT, NEXT, WE HAVE CARRIE MCKINLEY. AND, CARRIE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, CARRIE MCKINLEY. I LIVE AT 6068 WINNEBAGO STREET. MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED IN GROVE CITY FOR OVER 22 YEARS. WE LOVE THE SUPPORTIVE COMMUNITY, THE TIGHT KNIT GROUPS OF FRIENDS WE FORGED, AND THE GENEROUS, WELCOMING NEIGHBORS WE FOUND WHILE LIVING HERE. THE ONE MAJOR DRAWBACK, HOWEVER, IS THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE FIND OURSELVES AND OUR MONEY LEAVING GROVE CITY IN SEARCH OF RESTAURANTS, JOB OPPORTUNITIES, AND COMMUNITY SPACES. GROVE CITY HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN DRAWING IN TOP RANKED HOSPITALS THAT MAKE OUR TOWN AN IMPRESSIVE STANDOUT, AND HOSTING EVENTS THAT DRAW THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER, LIKE ARTS IN THE ALLEY AND FOOD TRUCK FRIDAYS. THE REPUTATION OF GROVE CITY IS MAKING IT AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE TO LIVE. AS EVIDENCED BY THE NUMEROUS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS AND THE INCREDIBLE POPULATION GROWTH. BUT WITH THE INFLUX OF NEW RESIDENTS ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DINE OUT, WHO WANT SPORTS AND RECREATIONAL OPTIONS FOR THEIR CHILDREN, WHO WANT TO CELEBRATE LIFE EVENTS. AND WE NEED SPACES TO DO SO. IN JANUARY OF 2018, GROVE CITY ADOPTED A RESOLUTION TO ACCEPT THE GROVE CITY 2050 COMMUNITY PLAN, PART OF THAT PLAN RECOGNIZED THE COMMUNITY CALL FOR A NEW MAJOR RECREATION AND SPORTS FACILITY, AND A UNIQUE, IMPROVING TOWN CENTER. TWO PROJECTS, BROADWAY LIVE AND A NEW MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER, HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SINCE THAT TIME, WITH NO DISCERNIBLE FORWARD MOVEMENT. IN OCTOBER OF 2023, A SURVEY WAS OPENED UP YET AGAIN, ASKING FOR RESIDENT OPINIONS ON A NEW MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY.

REC CENTER. THE GOAL WAS TO COLLECT 400 COMPLETED SURVEYS, AN EXCEPTIONAL 664 SURVEYS WERE RETURNED, 83% OF THOSE RESPONDENTS SUPPORTED THE NEED FOR SUCH A CENTER. THE CITY CONTINUES TO PAY CONSULTING FIRMS TO CONDUCT SURVEYS WHEN THE RESULTS CONTINUE TO BE THE SAME. AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, A QUESTION CAME UP AS TO IF THE COMMUNITY WOULD ACTUALLY USE A FACILITY SIMILAR IN SIZE AND SCOPE TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN WESTERVILLE. I DID A QUICK SEARCH THROUGH TWO GROVE CITY FACEBOOK PAGES, AND IN JUST THE PAST FEW WEEKS, EIGHT PEOPLE CREATED A POST LOOKING FOR A SPACE TO RENT FOR VARIOUS PARTIES AND EVENTS. TWO POSTS WERE MADE LOOKING FOR A SPACE FOR OPEN VOLLEYBALL AND INDOOR WALKING TRACKS. THREE POSTS WERE MADE ABOUT LOOKING FOR PART TIME WORK. THESE ARE ALL SCENARIOS THAT SHOW THE CONTINUED NEED FOR A NEW MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER AND MIXED USE ENTERTAINMENT VENUE, WHICH WOULD ENHANCE THE LIVES OF EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF AGE, AND BRING THE COMMUNITY CLOSER TOGETHER. THE RESIDENTS OF GROVE CITY HAVE PATIENTLY BEEN WAITING FOR COMPLETION OF THE STUDIES. THE FINDING REPORTS, THE SURVEYS WE'RE NOW ASKING THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROMISED PROJECTS TO BUILD A STRONGER, MORE UNITED COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT. NEXT WE HAVE AMY DAWSON. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, FOR THE RECORD. HI. AMY DAWSON, 1684 WINNEBAGO STREET.

I'VE LIVED IN GROVE CITY SINCE 1992 AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SEVERAL EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE CITY, INCLUDING SCHOOL AND FIRE LEVIES AND LOCAL ELECTIONS. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE BEEN INVITED TO

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GROVE CITY HAS BECOME THE LAND OF FAST FOOD AND TRAFFIC, WITH A MILD EXCEPTION BEING DOWNTOWN GROVE CITY. WE HAVE OVER 40,000 RESIDENTS AND AMENITIES ARE LACKING THOSE OF MUCH SMALLER SUBURBS. I HOPE THAT BY THE TIME THE 2025 SURVEY IS READY, YOU HAVE SOLIDIFIED PLANS AND COMMUNICATED CONSTRUCTION TIMELINES FOR BROADWAY LIVE IN A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER. I BELIEVE IF NOT, CITY LEADERS WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE CREDIBILITY AMONG RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO SEE PROGRESS. I THINK 14 YEARS OF ASKING THE SAME QUESTIONS AND GETTING INCREASINGLY POSITIVE SENTIMENT IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE RESEARCH AND TIME. I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WE REMOVE ALL BARRIERS TO PROGRESS SO WE CAN CATCH UP AND OFFER RESIDENTS AMENITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN MOST OTHER COLUMBUS SUBURBS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THOSE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP THIS EVENING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE THAT WISH TO APPROACH COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO MAYOR STAGE. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. SORRY, I DO HAVE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MAYOR'S COURT REPORTS FOR OCTOBER. THE AMOUNT OF FINES AND BONDS IS 41,307. AND FOR NOVEMBER, FINES AND BONDS WERE 34,000, $35,040. I'D ASK THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE BOTH AS PRESENTED. IF POSSIBLE. I MAKE I SO MOVE. MAYOR. AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU. YES, BURROWS? YES, ANDERSON. YES.

YES. YES. YES, GARY. YES. JUST A COUPLE OTHER QUICK THINGS. STARTING WEDNESDAY, THE SENIOR CENTER IS PUTTING ON A PLAY. I THINK IT STARTS AT 1:00. THAT RIGHT? JACK, DO YOU KNOW? AND IT'S AN INTERESTING PLAY. IT'LL BE FUN TO WATCH. WE GOT A BIG WEEKEND PLANNED. OF COURSE, THIS WEEKEND. THE PARADE AT 7:00 ON FRIDAY. AND THEN THE LIGHTING OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE, HOPEFULLY BY 730. AND THEN ON SATURDAY. A LOT OF ACTION DOWNTOWN AND THE COMMUNITY WINDS WILL BE PLAYING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AT 11:00. TH. THAT'S JUST ABOUT ALL I NEED TO REPORT. THE INFORMATION GIVEN TONIGHT IS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND APPRECIATED, AND WE ALL DISCUSSED ALL THOSE POINTS. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PROCEED AS WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH LAID OUT, I THINK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. AND BEFORE WE CARRY ON, I WILL JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE HAVE A DOUBLE HEADER GOING THIS EVENIN. SO MAYOR STAGE. AND THAT WAS WHY HE WAS SORT OF TAKEN ABACK. WE

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FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT MISTER DO I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER MISTER BARRY? I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, THE WE ARE GOING DOWN A TRAJECTORY RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TAKEN THE SURVEYS TO HEART AND EVERYTHING. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUDGET NUMBERS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCATIONS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THAT. IT'S ALL ON THE DOCKET FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND PROBABLY THE NEXT FEW COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD. I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO LOCATE THIS OR WHATEVER FACILITIES WE DO? AND THEN, OF COURSE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? SO EVERYTHING IS MOVING. I IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE IT'S BEING REPORTED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS IT IS. IT'S MOVING ALONG. BUT WE'VE WE'VE COME WE'VE COME A LONG WAY JUST WHERE AS FAR AS OUR AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHAT WE ALL THINK IT SHOULD HAPPEN. SO STAY TUNED. EVERYTHING WILL BE PUBLIC. COME TO THE MEETINGS, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, MR. HOLT. DO WE NEED TO REMIND ANYBODY ABOUT THE PARADE FRIDAY, OR ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? THE MAYOR DID. OH. DID HE? OKAY, GOOD. YOU KNOW, LISTEN, I GUESS I DID. IT'S MY FIRST PARADE, SO IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. COSTUME. I WANT TO GET THE RED GLOVES. WHERE DO I GET THE RED GLOVES? OKAY, ON A SERIOUS NOTE, I'M GOING TO SPEND A MINUTE HERE AND TALK ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT'S IN FRONT OF US CURRENTLY. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY, SOME MAY NOT, BUT IT'S ON THE TOPIC OF SMALL CELL SERVICE TOWERS. YOU KNOW THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS ISSUE VIA THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AND TODD HURLEY. THE IT ADMINISTRATOR, AND WE'VE MADE LOTS OF PLANS AND AGREEMENTS ON HOW THESE TOWERS WERE GOING IN IN FACT, WE'VE PASSED SEVERAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION TO MAKE SURE WE HAD REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS ON THE TOWERS ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN MAKING PROGRESS. THERE'S SOME ACTION OUT THERE AND IT'S WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO WE ALL KNOW THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM ON BUCKEYE PARKWAY IN 2018, C 4218 WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL TO ALLOW SMALL CELL SERVICE TOWERS. SMALL CELL SERVICE TOWERS ARE 40 FOOT TOWERS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WITH A RADIO TRANSMITTER ON TOP. THIS IS IN SECTION NINE 909. THE CODE ALSO IN 909.6, WHICH STATES THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR WILL PROMULGATE OR CREATE RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR SMALL CELL SERVICE TOWERS LOCATED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S IMPORTANT HERE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT OF WAY AND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WHEN YOU THINK OF RIGHT OF WAY, THINK ABOUT FIRE HYDRANT. YOU KNOW THAT'S WHERE YOUR FIRE HYDRANT IS. IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THAT SMALL STRIP BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE STREET. WE DID NOT CREATE THE RULES. OTHER CITIES HAVE SUCH RULES, SUCH AS DUBLIN AND OUR SURROUNDING CITIES. SO THEY PUT IN PLACE RULES FOR SCREENING LOCATION, PROXIMITY TO RESIDENCES. VERIZON SUBMITTED PLANS IN 2018 TO BUILD THE FIRST SMALL CELL TOWER THEY NEVER MOVED FORWARD ON THE PLAN. THEY ALSO SUBMITTED PLANS FOR 2020. THEY DIDN'T BUILD ANY TOWERS,

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ALL RIGHT. I HAVE COMMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL CELL, THE STATE OF OHIO HAS SEVERELY LIMITED OUR ABILITY TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON ON THESE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROHIBIT THEM. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME THINGS IN DESIGN GUIDELINES, WHICH SOME CITIES HAVE ADOPTED. HOWEVER, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR ORDINANCES AS CONTEMPLATED, THERE'S NO WAY IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY FILED THEIR APPLICATIONS. IF YOU CHANGE THE RULES AFTER THE FACT, THEY WILL SUE US AND WE WILL LOSE 100%. WHAT ABOUT THE CONTRACT? I HAVE NOT REVIEWED THE CONTRACT. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A CONTRACT. THEY JUST APPLY FOR A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT WHICH OUR STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO GRANT VIA THE ORDINANCE. THIS COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY ENACTED. OKAY, WELL, IT'S EARLY ENOUGH. I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY HERE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET VERIZON TO MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, INSTEAD OF RIGHT IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD FOR A COUPLE OF THESE LOCATIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION I KNOW WE DON'T NORMALLY DO QUESTIONS DURING CLOSING COMMENTS, BUT WITH THIS, THIS SMALL CELL TOWER IS THIS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN I THINK WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS THIS YEAR AND WORKING WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF BRINGING FORTH LEGISLATION TO BRING MORE TOWERS AND MORE CELL SERVICE, HERE ARE THESE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN TO SECURE LAND AND WORK WITH? I THINK IT'S ACADIA. AS THAT THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR TO GET OTHER TOWERS HERE. YES, IF I MAY. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS IN WHICH CELL TOWERS ARE ARE ARE TWO TYPES OF CELL TOWERS THAT WE SEE THE MOST OF. THE FIRST IS THE BIG TALL ONES, LIKE WE HAD THE FIGHT ON THE ONE ON STRINGTOWN YEARS AGO, WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PROVIDERS THAT WILL BE ON ONE TOWER, AND YOU'LL SEE THE WHITE THINGS ON THE SIDE OF IT. AND ANYMORE, ONCE THEY'RE UP, YOU BARELY EVEN NOTICE THEM. THOSE HAVE A MUCH WIDER BANDWIDTH AND RANGE IN TERMS OF DOING THESE. THE SMALL CELLS, IN ESSENCE, LOOK LIKE SMALL COOLERS AT LEAST. I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE BLACK. THEY FIT ON TOP OF TELEPHONE POLES, THEY SIT ON TOP OF STREET SIGNS. THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER. THEIR WIDTH AND BANDWIDTH IS MUCH SHORTER. SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY STRING A BUNCH OF THEM CLOSER TOGETHER TO PROVIDE KIND OF LIKE A MESH NETWORK, LIKE YOU MAY PUT IN YOUR HOUSE WITH DIFFERENT REPEATERS. BOTH TYPES WILL HELP SUPPORT AND ADDRESS THE CELL

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SMALL CELLS ARE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE WENT AHEAD. AND WHEN IT COMES TO SMALL CELL ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY'VE REALLY TAKEN AWAY OUR POWER TO SAY NO. SO THE ANSWER IS YES. AND I THINK WHAT MR. HOLT IS SUGGESTING, THERE WOULD BE A YES. BUT IN TERMS OF SOME FORM OF REGULATIONS, HOWEVER, GENERALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO. BUT THEY BOTH ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING. THEY JUST DO IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

WELL, IN 909.6, IT TALKS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF ANY GROUND MOUNTED SMALL CELL FACILITIES, THE LOCATION OF SMALL CELL FACILITIES, WIRELESS SUPPORT STRUCTURE, THE APPEARANCE AND CONCEALMENT OF SMALL CELL FACILITIES, INCLUDING THOSE RELATED TO MATERIALS USED FOR ARRANGING, SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN SCREEN OR LANDSCAPE A 40 FOOT TOWER IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SO SOMETHING JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT HERE TO ME. WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THE RULES AND I JUST WANT TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT HERE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FROM WHERE WE ARE. SO AND I WILL JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SMALL CELLS. THERE ARE ONES THAT ARE AERIAL MOUNTED, SUCH AS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON TOP OF A POLE OR A LIGHT POST. AND THEN THERE ALSO ARE SMALL SMALL CELL STRUCTURES THAT CAN BE MOUNTED TO THE GROUND. THOSE ARE GENERALLY THE ONES WHERE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS WERE APPLIED WOULD APPLY, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ONES ON TOP OF A POLE BASICALLY JUST LOOK LIKE A ROUND COOLER UP THERE. THOSE DON'T GET SCREENED, BUT USUALLY IT'S THE SUPPORT APPARATUS AND OR THE GROUND MOUNTED SMALL CELL THAT WOULD BE SCREENED. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. THANK YOU, MR. HOLT. MISS BURROUGHS, I JUST WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK BOTH OF YOU WHO SPOKE UNDER NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT AMENITIES ARE NEEDED. ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AND NEW AMENITIES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SHOW UP TONIGHT AND SPEAK. I THINK WE ALL AGREE. THANK YOU, MISS ANDERSON. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO DO CLOSING COMMENTS NOW IN CASE ANYBODY DOES LEAVE BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY THE SAME THING. I WANT TO ECHO ALL OF YOU THAT CAME IN TO SPEAK, TO LET US KNOW ABOUT THE STEP WITH LOCAL CANTINA, BUT AGAIN, ALSO ABOUT THE PROJECTS ESPECIALLY THIS TIMING IS SO CRITICAL AS WE TALK ABOUT BUDGET AND WE GO INTO THE NEW YEAR. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT'S GREAT TO SEE PEOPLE COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT. ALSO, IN THEIR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. SIGRIST. YEAH, I ECHO THOSE COMMENTS EXACTLY. AND CARTER, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, ESPECIALLY IN THE SPIRIT OF SAFETY. YOU COMING UP ON I THINK YOUR MOM WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO KNOW YOU'RE DOING THAT.

SO VERY IMPRESSIVE. THANK YOU. AND JUST GOSH, HOLTON ROAD I JUST STUNNING ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. ANYONE INVOLVED WITH THE WALTON ROAD EXPANSION STUNNING 2024. HOW ABOUT IT MAN.

THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. IF YOU'VE TALKED TO MARK MORE THAN ONCE TODAY YOU'VE HEARD STUNNING AND HOLTON ROAD USED VERY FREQUENTLY. I DO WANT TO THANK THOSE I THERE'S REALLY NOTHING BETTER TO ME ABOUT THIS JOB THAN WHEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COME AND SPEAK TO US. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ALL THREE OF YOU. YOU SAT TOGETHER, YOU HAD YOU HAD A LITTLE POWWOW GOING THERE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY CENTER CONVERSATION WHEN COUNCIL HAD THEIR GOVERNANCE RETREAT IN FEBRUARY TO START OFF OUR YEAR TOGETHER EMERGED AS ONE OF OUR HIGHEST PRIORITIES. IT IS A SLOW PROCESS, ADMITTEDLY, AND IT FOR MANY OF US, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS MOST FREQUENTLY MENTIONED BY RESIDENTS. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK.

AND THEN AS WE MOVED FORWARD TO TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE SUMMER, BRINGING THE BUDGET CONVERSATION A LITTLE EARLIER IN THE YEAR, THE BROADWAY LIVE PIECE WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT VERY QUICKLY SIMMERED TO THE SURFACE AND WE ARE ALL EAGER TO SEE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ADVANCE AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND SO ARTICULATELY STATING THIS URGENCY THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE FEELING. IT IS THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT I HEAR ABOUT IN MOST

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SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE A BRIEF RECESS TO LET EVERYBODY DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO BEFORE WE COME BACK TOGETHER. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU FIVE MINUTES. IT IS CURRENTLY 742. WE'LL BE BACK IN AT 747 TO BEGIN OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS FOR THE EVENING ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION FROM RECESS, AND I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO MR. SIGRIST WITH FINANCE. AND I'M GOING TO SLIDE THE GAVEL OVER TO HIM AS WELL.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN, MR. SIGRIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. HOW SO? WELCOME AND GREETINGS.

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MANY OF THESE YOU WILL RECOGNIZE BECAUSE WE TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT MANY OF THEM A COUPLE MONTHS AGO IN A WORK SESSION. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'LL BE TOO SURPRISED BY WHAT YOU SEE MOSTLY HERE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS, AS WE GO ALONG. IF YOU WANT TO STOP AFTER EACH ITEM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK ME QUESTIONS THEN, OR IF YOU WANT TO HOLD THEM TILL THE END, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ITEM FOR THE 2025 CIP PROJECTS IS A REMODEL OF CITY HALL FOR $800,000. IN 2019, THE CITY PERFORMED A SPACE NEEDS ASSESSMENT FOR CITY HALL, AND THAT WAS UPDATED WITH AN ARCHITECT IN 2024 TO ESTABLISH RENOVATION ESTIMATES FOR RESTROOMS, LOBBY UPGRADES, AND FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR OFFICE SPACE. WE'RE WORKING ON FINALIZING THAT PROGRAM OF WORK, WHICH WOULD BE PRESENTED IN EARLY 2025. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT IS $800,000. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? YES, SIR. DOES THIS INCLUDE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT EXPANSION? LAST I HEARD, THERE WERE OVERFLOWING WITH PEOPLE AND VERY CRAMPED SPACES. DOES THIS RESOLVE THAT OR THIS DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT SITUATION? IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ITEM TO BE CONSIDERED THE FUTURE PERHAPS. SO THIS DOESN'T ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE, IT JUST RENOVATES EXISTING. WELL IT IT COULD PERHAPS ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING. BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS HOW TO SOLVE THE SITUATION THAT'S ON THE LOWER LEVEL. AND HOW TO BRING OFFICE SPACE TO THOSE FOLKS THAT

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YES. THANK YOU. SO DID WE DID WE TALK ABOUT THIS AMOUNT DURING THE WORK SESSION? I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THIS AMOUNT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AT. THAT WAS 500,000. IT WAS 500. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT AGAIN, MAYOR, TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT IT'S NOT REALLY MOVING PEOPLE AROUND OR I HEARD THERE'S LIKE SOME WORK SPACES IN THE BASEMENT. IS THIS MORE OF JUST COSMETIC? AND YOU SAID CARPETING. AND WILL ANY DESK SPACES BE MOVED OR IMPROVED WITH THIS? WE'RE LEAVING THAT OPTION OPEN AND YES, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE AT LEAST ONE DESK MOVE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M I'M JUST I GUESS I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TOGETHER FOR OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION, WE WERE AT A HALF A MILLION, AND WE'RE NOW AT 800,000. AND I STILL THINK THAT WE ARE IN NEED OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LOOKS MORE THAN LOOKS AT, MORE THAN OUR SHORT TERM NEED. AND LOOKS AT WHERE WE WANT TO BE LONG TERM IN TERMS OF CITY SERVICES, WHICH AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO KEEP CONTENDING THAT THAT BEING IN ONE PLACE, UNDER ONE ROOF TO ME, SHOULD BE AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL. I IF I CAN, I CONCUR WITH WHAT MISS HAWK SAYING TOO. I JUST PICTURED THIS BIG CENTRAL COMPLEX THAT MAYBE DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, BUT IS ON SOME LAND. PERHAPS IT'S THE BROOK PARK LAND, PERHAPS SOME OTHER LAND. BUT WE'RE WE'RE IT'S HOPEFULLY A FUTURE OF ONE STOP SHOPPING AND I WOULD BE A BIG ADVOCATE FOR INCREASING SECURITY OR WHATEVER WE DO. SO IF I FEEL TO SAY IF I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT THIS IDEA, IT'S KIND OF A MOOT POINT BECAUSE IT'S JUST I WOULD JUST KEEP ADDING ON TO WHAT I THINK ARE SOME FUNCTIONAL NEEDS, BUT I'M NOT SURE. LIKE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS A TIME AND A PLACE TO BE PUTTING IT HERE. WELL, IF I COULD. MR. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD TWO STUDIES LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING, AND I FORGET HOW MUCH WE SPENT IN TRYING TO RATIONALIZE HOW WE DID THE FIRST FLOOR. AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU, TOMORROW OR THIS WEEK WE GOT TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE EXTREMELY WELL KNOWN DEVELOPERS, AND WE'RE BRINGING THEM IN HERE. AND THAT SECOND FLOOR IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE OR PARTICULARLY IN A CITY LIKE WE ARE. I MEAN, IT'S YEAH, $800,000, A LOT OF MONEY. WE PROBABLY WON'T SPEND ALL OF

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YEAH, JUST JUST THAT. I THINK THAT THERE I'LL LET YOU MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AS CHAIR OF FINANCE, I'LL JUST WEIGH IN ON MY OPINION. I CONTINUE TO THINK LIKE MISS HAWK, THAT THIS WE MIGHT BE BETTER SERVED IN PUTTING THIS ON THE $90 MILLION PROPERTY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW, AND THEN HAVE A ONE STOP SHOP FOR ALL THE CITY SERVICES, AND SPENDING A MILLION NOW AND THEN BUILDING IT TWO YEARS FROM NOW SEEMS LIKE A SHORT TERM DECISIO. THAT'S MY $0.02. OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO THE END FOR THE RECOMMENDATION. I'LL COME BACK AT THE END WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THE NEXT ONE'S A LOT EASIER TO CONSIDER. A NEW ROOF FOR THE EVANS CENTER, $105,000.

I THINK THE EXISTING ROOF FOR THE SENIOR CENTER IS IN GREAT NEED OF THAT REPAIR. COMMENT ON THAT. THE CITY HALL AND SAFETY COMPLEX, HEAT PUMP REPLACEMENT ANDD BUILDING AUTOMATION FOR 335,000. WE HAVE 28 AGING HEAT PUMPS, 14 AT CITY HALL AND 14 AT THE SAFETY COMPLEX. IT WOULD BE REPLACED AND THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ADDING AN AUTOMATION TO THE RECENTLY UPGRADED HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEMS. WILL THAT BE JUST REPLACING HEAT PUMPS, OR ARE YOU GOING TO PUT A DIFFERENT KIND OF I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, WHERE YOU PUT MASTERS AND SLAVES AND DIFFERENT ROOMS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE BUILDING. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE MY GENTLEMEN HERE THAT WOULD HAVE THOSE ANSWERS FOR YOU, BUT I COULD GET THEM FOR YOU. I CAN'T THINK OF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, CINDY. WHERE? YOU JUST HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONER THAT GOES ON THE WALL IN EACH, AND YOU HAVE A MASTER THAT SITS ON THE ROOF, AND IT. YEAH, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DID HERE IN THE LAST TWO BUDGET CYCLES. WE'VE REPLACED THE BOILERS AND THE COOLING TOWERS THAT WERE THERE WITH UPGRADED, MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS. AND THIS IS JUST TO REPLACE IN-KIND ONE FOR ONE, THE HEAT PUMPS THAT ARE EXISTING IN EACH OF THOSE FACILITIES AND THE BUILDING AUTOMATION, WE MADE SURE THAT THOSE SYSTEMS THAT WE CREATED ARE UPGRADED. RECENTLY WOULD BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THIS BUILDING AUTOMATION. ONCE ALL THE COMPONENTS WERE REPLACED. OKAY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. BECAUSE THE WINDSOR PARK CONCESSION, RESTROOMS AND OPERATIONS CENTER FOR $200,000, WE'RE MOVING INTO THE PARKS ITEMS NOW. OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS WOULD BE A NEW BUILDING TO HOUSE CONCESSIONS AND RESTROOMS AND OPERATION CENTER. THE 2025 REQUEST IS FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES ONLY. FOR THIS PROJECT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING AS FAR AS QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PARK ITEMS, I THINK MR. CASTLE COULD ALSO RESPOND TO THEM. SO WILL THESE BE THE KIND OF RESTROOMS THAT ARE ONLY OPEN CERTAIN HOURS A DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SIR? BECAUSE LIKE THE RESTROOMS NOW ARE ONLY OPEN WHEN THE CONCESSIONS ARE OPEN. AND IF YOU GO THERE AFTERWARDS, THEY'RE NOT OR SOME. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IN THAT KIND OF DETAIL, BUT DEFINITELY THESE ARE HEAVILY USED RESTROOMS AND IT'S A HEAVILY USED PARK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SHOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER. I MEAN, YEA, OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIGHT WANT TO STAY CLOSE. THE NEXT ITEM FOR 400,000 IS THE GARDENS AGAINST SENSORY GARDEN. THE THIS WAS AN OUTGROWTH OF A DESIGN THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE OHIO STATE STUDENT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE WALKING PATHS, RAISED BEDS, SCULPTURE ELEMENTS, WALL FEATURES AND A WATER FEATURE DESIGNED FOR THE PROJECT WAS FUNDED AND APPROPRIATED IN 2024,

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THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN. SEAGRASS. YEAH I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BATHROOMS. WE'VE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IF EVENTS WERE GOING TO BE OFF BROADWAY, IMPROVEMENTS TO, YOU KNOW, ABOUT BOLLARDS THAT COME OUT OF THE ROAD, RESTROOMS RIGHT NOW, THOSE EVENTS ARE ALREADY VERY CROWDED. SO I'M THINKING THAT IF WE HAD A PLAYGROUND THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF THE SPACE UP POTENTIALLY, AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. WE DO OWN IN THIS DIAGRAM

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DESIGN INPUT. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT WE'RE MOVING OVER TO THE STREETS ROADWAY PROJECTS. THE FIRST ONE IN THAT CATEGORY IS THE ANNUAL STREET PROGRAM 4.2 MILLION. AS YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS ANNUALLY. WE CONDUCT ASSESSMENTS AND RELY ON DATA AND LONG RANGE PLANNING INFORMATION TO DETERMINE WHAT STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY NEED TO BE REDONE. AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT LIST NOW, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT A LIST IN EARLY 2025. SO THAT 4.2 4.2 MILLION WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR FOR OUR STREET PROGRAM. AND SIMILARLY, THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK PROGRAM FOR 600,000. WE LOOK AT SOME OF OUR OLDER CORE NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY WITH SIDEWALKS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN DETERIORATED AND MISSING SEGMENTS OF SIDEWALK. TYPICALLY, THESE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD 60 YEARS OR MORE. AND WE ALSO CONSIDER WALKABLE TO SCHOOLS AND OTHER COMMUNITY FOCUSED DESTINATIONS. AS WE PREPARE THAT LIST, WHICH WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING AT THE MOMENT, AND THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE EARLY IN 2025 AS WELL. AND WE HAVE THE MCDOWELL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, $265,000 FOR ENGINEERING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE NOTIFIED THIS FRIDAY THAT WE WILL RECEIVE 100% OF THE PROJECT, $4 MILLION PLUS FROM OPWC TO UNDERTAKE THIS PROJECT. SO THE DESIGN WOULD BE IN 2025 WITH CONSTRUCTION IN 2026. SO WE'RE KIND OF WE KIND OF, I WOULD SAY 99.9% SURE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE FUNDING, BUT UNTIL YOU GET IT, YOU DON'T. MAYBE I JINXED IT. WHAT WHAT WHAT DOES IT DO TO MCDOWELL ROAD? OKAY. SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS MCDOWELL ROAD. IT'S KIND OF A DIET IF YOU WILL. IT'S GOING TO BE REDUCED IN WIDTH SO THAT WE CAN ADD A SHARED USE PATH, A DEDICATED SHARED USE PATH THERE FROM STRINGTOWN TO WHITE ROAD. SO IT'LL BE TOTALLY REBUILT FROM THE SURFACE UP AND INCLUDE THAT SHARED USE PATH. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE BIKE TASK FORCE LOOKED AT IS THE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE LEGS THAT CONNECTS CLEAR ACROSS THE CITY. SO YOU CAN GO CLEAR ACROSS SOUTHWEST. AND THAT SECTION IS THE ONLY AREA THAT'S NEEDED TO CONNECT PEOPLE TO THE FAR WEST SIDE OR THE FAR EAST SIDE OF THE CITY. SO IT CONNECTS TO THE WHITE ROAD BIKE PATH. AND ONE OTHER THING, THAT THE $265,000 WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS BASICALLY HAVE THAT CONSIDERED AS OUR LOCAL MATCH FOR OTHER FUNDING THAT MAY BE COME AVAILABLE WITH THE LINK PROJECTS THAT WILL BE GETTING MOVING FORWARD IN 2026. AS WELL. MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES OF COUNCIL AS FAR AS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. NO QUORUM DECORUM FOR ASKING QUESTIONS GOING THROUGH YOU. WE JUST HAVE AN INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION WITH THE WITH THE PRESENTER. PROCEED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I DON'T I DON'T NEED A MOTION FOR THAT

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THANK YOU. JUST COMMENTARY ON THIS. THIS IS A HUGE POTENTIAL WIN FOR OUR CITY. IT'S A BIG WIN. I BELIEVE WITH A LITTLE INVESTMENT. VERY EXCITING. ANYTIME YOU CAN GET THIS KIND OF MONEY. AND AGAIN, THANKS TO OUR CONTRACT ENGINEER EMEA, THEY'RE A VERY, YOU KNOW, INTEGRAL TO THIS AWARD BEING RECEIVED. SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, NOW IF YOU COULD JUST TALK TO THE TOWNSHIP ABOUT PUTTING THE BIKE PATH DOWN THEIR SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION, THAT WOULD BE NICE. WELL, THOSE TALKS MAY BE COMING IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, TODD I THERE'S COINCIDENTALLY TODD KNOWS THIS, BUT IT MOST RECENTLY MCDOWELL HAS BECOME A MAJOR WEAKNESS IN OUR CELL STRENGTH, OUR CELL SIGNAL EFFORTS TO SO. WELL I LIVE ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY WIFE IS ALWAYS HITTING ME, NOT IN THE HEAD, BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT AT TIMES. WANTING TO KNOW WHEN SHE'S GOING TO GET GOOD CELL SERVICE. AND I KEEP TELLING HER IT'S ON THE WAY. SO BE PATIENT, BUILD IT INTO THIS DESIGN. THE NORTH MEADOWS DRIVE RELOCATION.

THIS IS BASICALLY AN ENABLING PROJECT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GET THE ROADWAY ACROSS 71 FOR THE MEDICAL AND INNOVATION GATEWAY AREA. THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THE ROADWAYS AND ROUNDABOUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY IN 2023, THE PROJECT RECEIVED OPWC FUNDING AND DESIGN WAS INITIATED IN 2024 TO THE TUNE OF $500,000. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. SO THE $4 MILLION WOULD BE AUGMENTED BY OUR $2.6 MILLION IN 2025. EXCUSE ME. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT PROJECT? I JUST HAVE OVERALL, LIKE FRAMING COMMENTS. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET PRESENTED BY ADMINISTRATION AND I LOOK AT THE SUMMARY OF, I'LL CALL THEM BIG ROCKS, OKAY? FOR EXAMPLE, THE INNOVATION TECHNOLOGY AREA AND EVERYTHING INVOLVED BETWEEN 20 TO 40 MILLION BEULAH PARK AND AMPHITHEATER, BETWEEN 3 TO 5 MILLION BROADWAY LIVE, PERHAPS SOME RANGE OF CITY INVESTMENT NEEDED 3030 MILLION AND THEN TOWN PARK PLANS 1.5 TO 3 MILLION. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED IN THIS THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHEN I THINK OF THAT, TO SAY THIS IS KIND OF NOT IN THE BUDGET OR SOME OF THESE BIG THINGS THAT ARE STILL HANGING OUT THERE, AND THEN WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS. TO ME, THIS IS TIED TO THAT. THIS IS TIED TO THERE'S TENSION WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS VERSUS OTHER THINGS TOO. AND I PERSONALLY, I THINK, FEEL WE NEED THERE'S ANOTHER LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET TOO. RELATED TO THIS THIS PROJECT. SO I WONDER IF WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING OF WE'RE GETTING WE'RE INCHING DOWN FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO THIS, WHICH MAY BE A VERY IMPORTANT AND NEEDED INVESTMENT, BUT ARE WE THERE YET? AND DO WE UNDERSTAND ENOUGH OF THE READINESS TO LITERALLY DO THIS WORK AND WHAT THAT MEANS? AND DO WE HAVE THE EDUCATION AND DO WE KNOW AS A BODY WHERE WE'RE AT? WELL, I THINK THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS IS IMPERATIVE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO ENHANCE OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IN THE FUTURE COULD ALLOW US TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU DESCRIBE. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED $4 MILLION TO THIS, AND I THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT WITH OUR LOCAL MONEY. I HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT COMING UP AS YOU WELL KNOW, THAT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THIS AREA. SO I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY OUR NEXT BIG AREA FOR ENHANCEMENT AND FOR REALLY TO BECOME OUR ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THE FUTURE. SO IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THESE COSTS ARE GOING TO SPIRAL, YOU KNOW, HIGH AND THEN WE'LL BE LOOKING BACK AND SAYING, WHY DIDN'T WE DO THIS IN 2025? SO THAT THAT'S MY OPINION. I'M A FORMER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GUY. AND IF I HAD TO COME TO BAT FOR KYLE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD MAKE A STRONG CASE FOR THIS IMPORTANCE. THAT'S JUST MY VIEWPOINT. THAT'S ONE PERSON SPEAKING. MR. SECHREST, WHO I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, I

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WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, MAYOR. WE'RE WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE TIMING. IS THIS THE TIME? YES. THAT'S THE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SHARED. YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADD A COMMENT ON THE NORTH MEADOWS PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR OPWC GRANT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT DOES REQUIRE A LOCAL MATCH. AND THIS IS WHAT WE COMMITTED TO IN 2023, WHEN THOSE GRANT DOLLARS WERE AWARDED, THAT THIS WOULD BE OUR LOCAL MATCH AND THAT WE WOULD BE IN CONSTRUCTION BY JULY OF 2025. SO WE EMBARKED LAST YEAR WITH THE $500,000 THAT WAS IN THE 2024 APPROPRIATION ON DESIGN. SO THERE 330% PLANS AND PROGRESSING QUICKLY ON THIS PIECE OF THAT. AND THEN WE'LL BE READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION AND UTILIZE THOSE GRANT DOLLARS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PIECE OF THE BIG PICTURE. VERY GOOD. THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE TOPICS FOR ME THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PERIODIC UPDATE. YES, AN UPDATE. AND SO THAT WE ENRICH ALL OF OUR UNDERSTANDING AND WE WILL BECAUSE NOW WE'RE READY TO TIE DOWN RIGHT AWAY AND WE'VE GOT IT MAPPED OUT. WHAT PIECES WE NEED FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, PARTICULARLY. WELL, NOT PARTICULARLY ON THE WEST SIDE. SO YEAH, WE OWE THAT TO YOU. BUT AS I SAID, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I'M, I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED. IT'S I THINK WE'RE, I THINK JUST TO FRAME IT UP, IF IT'S THIS KIND OF EDUCATION, THIS KIND OF KNOWLEDGE, THAT IF WE GET AN UPDATE AND JUST GET CLOSER ON IT, I THINK IT'S WE JUST IT'S HARD TO GET OUR HEAD AROUND EXACTLY THAT, A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH, HIGH LEVEL TIMELINE. SO MAYBE CAN WE COMMIT TO BY JANUARY HAVING SOME KIND OF PRESENTATION OR A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING FOR THAT? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I GOT I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE IT POPPED IN MY MIND, MR. BOZO, WHAT IS THE YOU ALWAYS REMIND ME THIS AND I FORGET WHICH ONE IS WHAT CREATES MORE INCOME FOR THE CITY PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT OR JOBS. THAT'S CERTAINLY INCOME TAXES ARE A MAJOR SOURCE OF INCOME. I THINK IT ESTIMATE IS 80% OF THE GENERAL FUND IS FROM PROPERTY TAX. SO 100,000 JOBS, $100,000 JOB PRODUCES THE CITY INCOME TAX FROM THAT, WHICH IS $2,000. RIGHT. SO IF YOU CREATED 100 JOBS, YOU GET $20,000 IN TAXES. YEAH. I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL DISCUSSING HERE, THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT, AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN SECTIONS. AND IN ORDER TO DO THE FIRST SECTION IS TO HAVE THAT ROADWAY BE DESIGNED SO IT CAN GET OVER THE FREEWAY. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FIRST PROJECT DOES ON NORTH MEADOWS. IT GIVES YOU THAT RIGHT OF WAY. IT GIVES YOU THE ROAD DIRECTION TO GO OVER, OVER TO THE WEST SIDE OF 71. AND THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY WE NEED. AND WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER NOW TO GO THROUGH THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION. IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE 2 OR 3 YEARS, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THIS FIRST PROJECT FIRST IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THOSE NEXT ONES DOWN THE LINE. AND IT'S LIKE I SAY, THESE ARE ALL INVESTMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE TIME AND ENERGY AND CERTAINLY FUNDING. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CREATE 200 JOBS OVER THERE, 5000 AT 100,000 AT 100,000, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S $5 MILLION A YEAR IN INCOME. IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO THINK THAT THE INCOME FROM THE JOBS IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS IS IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WELL, OUR PROJECTION IS 6000 JOBS, 6000 JOBS, 6000 JOBS TIMES 2000. I THINK IT'S MORE THAN 2000, 22,500. IF $100,000 JOB. SO THAT'S $1 MILLION A YEAR IN REVENUE IS WHAT THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CITY. I'M JUST PUTTING IT IN PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE SPENDING $1,020 MILLION A YEAR BY THE TIME IT'S DONE. NO, NO, THAT'S I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S 5000 JOBS AT 100,000 A YEAR. IS $10 MILLION, 10 MILLION. YEAH. I'M GETTING ZERO ZERO. YEAH. SO TEN. BUT THAT'S STILL 5000 JOBS. AND THAT'S STILL $100,000 PER JOB. SO THAT'S A LOT OF JOBS.

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AND WE'RE STUCK WITH A LANDFILL. SO THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU MAKE THE MOST OF IT? HOW DO YOU LEVERAGE NORTH OF THE LANDFILL AND MAKING IT WORK? AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO SOME FOLKS IN THE COLUMBUS PARTNERSHIP. THEY THINK IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF LAND. WE'VE TALKED TO ONE COLUMBUS. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN OUT MARKETING AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE MEETING WITH PEOPLE TOMORROW. BUT IF YOU DON'T START SAYING THAT WE'RE MAKING A COMMITMENT TO IT, IT'S A IT'S A I ALSO WANT TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT WE SUBMITTED THIS SITE ACROSS THE STREET FROM WACO TO THE JOBSOHIO. EVERY YEAR THEY DO A SITE SELECTION PROCESS TO RANK AND GRADE YOU. AND THIS IS A GREAT EXERCISE AS A AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS. NOW THIS WEEK WE HAVE ONE WEDNESDAY WHERE WE ACTUALLY PLANNED OUT THEIR SITE FOR THEM TO SHOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE CAN BE PLACED ON THAT 360 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE, APPROXIMATELY TWO POINT 2,000,000FT■!S OF DIFFERENT TYPS OF USES COULD BE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD. SO IT'S NOT A MINOR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ONLY 300 ACRES OF THE TOTAL 900 ACRES. SO I THINK 6000 OR 8000 JOBS. BEING VERY CONSERVATIVE, I THINK WE REALLY COULD KIND OF SOLIDIFY OUR FUTURE ECONOMIC AND ECONOMIC AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TERMS. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST TRYING TO DO THE MATH IN MY HEAD HERE AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THE REALITIES OF THIS ARE THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION. WE APPRECIATE THIS INFORMATION. AND I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE CAN ONLY BE AS HELPFUL AS YOU GIVE US THE INFORMATION AND EDUCATION TO BE. SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE SHARE THE INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL. AND JUST TO ADD ON, THERE, KYLE KNOWS I'VE WORN OUT PAST TO HIS OFFICE. I MEAN, I'M A BIG BELIEVER THAT FOR OUR CITY'S COMPETITIVE TOUGHNESS WITH THESE OTHER SUBURBS, WE NEED GREAT JOBS. AND SO THIS IS NOT A CASE OF ARE WE GOING TO GET THE GREAT JOBS? WE JUST WANT TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE CONFIDENCE FACTOR, I THINK IS JUST TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION, TO HAVE THE SAME CONFIDENCE. YOU HAVE. BUT THIS CITY NEEDS GREAT JOBS TO BE ABLE TO DO. TALK ABOUT THE AMENITIES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE THOSE AND AS WELL AS WE MAY NEED OTHER SOURCING THAN JUST GREAT JOBS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, THIS CARRIES OVER INTO THE NEXT PAGE WHERE WE HAVE RECEIVED $4 MILLION FEDERAL EARMARK THROUGH CONGRESSMAN JOHN KERRY'S OFFICE. AND THAT IS REALLY EARMARKED TO ALLOW US TO DO LAND ACQUISITION AND RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FREEWAY. THAT WOULD SUPPORT GETTING THAT BRIDGE ACROSS THER. SO TO SUPPLEMENT THAT $4 MILLION, WE ARE REQUESTING 2 MILLION FOR DOING THE RIGHT OF WAY PREP AND SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING THAT BRIDGE AND BOTH SIDES OF THE FREEWAY GOING. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW THIS. I SPENT ALMOST TEN YEARS IN PRIVATE SECTOR FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPER DURING MY HIATUS FROM PUBLIC SERVICE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE IN FRANKLIN COUNTY THAT IS PRIMED FOR DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, BUT NO DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME AS LONG AS IT SITS THERE WITH WITH THE NUTS AND BOLTS NOT WORKED OUT IN ADVANCE AND SHOWING A WAY THAT IT CAN BE DEVELOPED. I THINK WE'RE SITTING ON A GOLD MINE THERE AS AND AS A FORMER DEVELOPER FOR A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY, I WOULD BE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR IF I SAW A COMMUNITY ANXIOUS TO MAKE THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT. SO THAT'S JUST MY $0.02. IT'S IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK ONCE WE GET STARTED THERE, I THINK PEOPLE WILL GET OVER THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE LANDFILL. AFTER THERE'S SOME DEVELOPMENT. THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE IT. YOU I MEAN, THERE'LL BE THINGS IN THE WAY AND OTHER BUILDING BLOCKS IN IT, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK IT'LL BE NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT YOU GOT TO GET THERE FIRST. YOU CAN PUT A SIX STORY, SEVEN STORY, EIGHT STORY BUILDING IN THERE. IF IT WAS MEDICAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND NOBODY WOULD SEE IT FROM THE RESIDENCY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ARM IN ARM TO THE LAST ITEM WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING PROPERTY AND ALSO RIGHT OF WAY TO GET THE PROJECT UNDERWAY. KYLE, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT? I JUST MAY ADD IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SERVICE AREA WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, WHERE WE CAN EXPAND WATER AND SEWER,

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WE'VE DEVELOPED THAT TO THE EAST IS THE METRO PARK. THERE'S NO SPACE THERE FOR WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. JOB CREATION TO THE WEST, OF COURSE, IS HOLT ROAD. NOT MUCH OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND TO THE SOUTH THAT JUST THE COST OF UTILITIES, ESPECIALLY SANITARY SEWER, IS TREMENDOUS TO TRY TO DEVELOP LAND SOUTH OF THE LANDFILL. SO THIS IS TRULY ONE OF THE LAST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. AND ONE OF THE LARGEST STILL REMAINING IN CENTRAL OHIO AREA, QUITE FRANKL. NEXT UP IS THE HAWTHORNE PARKWAY EXTENSION. THIS WAS TOUCHED ON BRIEFLY IN A WAY EARLIER BECAUSE OF THE HARRIS TIFF. THE THIS WOULD SUPPORT THE HARRIS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WITH THE EXTENSION OF ROADWAY THROUGH THE PROPERTY, CREATING A CONNECTION BETWEEN BORE ROAD AND 665. THIS IS $3.2 MILLION, HOWEVER, THIS WOULD BE REIMBURSED BY THE TIF THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER. SO WE WOULD FRONT THE MONEY AND GET REIMBURSED THROUGH THAT TIF. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE HAWTHORNE PARKWAY EXTENSION, BUT GOING EAST FARTHER, THE ONE THAT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, 2023, 2024, THE $2 MILLION FOR THE FARMSTEAD PORTION OF HAWTHORNE PARKWAY IS THAT ONE OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THIS YEAR? I MEAN, I KNOW THE DEVELOPERS ARE AT SOME POINT SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THAT TODAY, I SENT A LETTER TO THE DEVELOPER THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION TO BUY THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, AND IT COULDN'T CLOSE BEFORE JANUARY 1ST, 2025. WITH THAT, THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO GET THAT ROADWAY DONE. SO I PUT THEM ON NOTICE TODAY. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT HAWTHORNE ROADWAY DONE BY NOVEMBER 12TH OF 25. SO WE WOULD NEED OUR APPROPRIATION IN TERMS OF THAT $2 MILLION. IT WOULD GO BACK INTO THE CAPITAL FUND. THANK YOU. SURE. THE NEXT ITEM, HOOVER ROAD AND BUCKEYE GROVE BOULEVARD TRAFFIC SIGNAL. AN ANALYSIS WAS DONE IN 2024 TO DETERMINE THE NEED FOR THAT, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT A LIGHT IS NEEDED THERE AT THE BUCKEYE GROVE SHOPPING CENTER NEAR KROGER AND 665. AGAIN, THIS $500,000 IS NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL CIP FUND, BUT COMING FROM THE 665 TIF. IF I COULD REMIND COUNCIL WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DAYCARE WITH THE OLD SOCIETY BANK WAS WE PROMISED THEM WE'D DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, WE DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

NOW IT JUSTIFIES AND WE'RE PUTTING IN THE LIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. FOR THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM, $100,000 IN 2020 FOR THE SAFETY DEPARTMENT. COMPLETED A ROAD SAFETY AUDIT AND LAUNCHED THEIR ROAD SAFETY STARTS WITH US CAMPAIGN. THIS 2025 CIP APPROPRIATION WOULD SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS IN MAKING OUR ROADS SAFER. THIS WOULD INCLUDE STRIPING ADA RAMP IMPROVEMENTS, TRAFFIC SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS, SIGNAGE, POSSIBLY CURBS, BOULEVARD REVIEWS, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MR. STAFFORD, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? OKAY, MR. GET INTO THE 2025 TRAILS PROJECTS. THIS ONE'S AN INTERESTING ONE. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE SEEN THIS AND KNOW THAT THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT THAT WOULD BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. IS THE HOOVER ROAD 71 OVERPASS AND SHARED USE PATH IMPROVEMENT. THIS IS A $3.66 MILLION PROJECT. THE EXPENDITURES IN 2024 HELPED US REVIEW THIS. AND DESIGN WAS INITIATED THEN. AND THE 2025 APPROPRIATION WOULD ALLOW US TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT. $3 MILLION PROJECT AND AGAIN, THIS IS PAID FOR OUT OF THE PINNACLE TIF AND NOT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BUDGET. BASICALLY, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS

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IS THAT JACKSON TOWNSHIP PROPERTIES THERE? THAT WAS. SO THIS IS NORTH OF THE HARRIS FARM DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. SO WILL WE BE WORKING WITH THEM TO TIE INTO THERE BIKE PATHS AND WALK PATHS FOR THAT OR NOT. YEAH YEAH YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. WHO ARE YOU POINTING AT, SIR? KYLE. AND JUST I THINK, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. I MEA. AS PART OF THE HARRIS PROJECT, WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ROUTE IT UP TO QUAIL CREEK PATH. NOT SURE THE EXACT ALIGNMENT RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS, BUT THE PATHS WILL CONNECT TO THAT TRAIL ALONG QUAIL CREEK.

BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS ON QUAIL CREEK? DOES ANYBODY? 3535 OKAY. OKAY. THE HORN ROAD SHARED USE PATH 150,000. THIS WOULD BE A NEW SHARED USE PATH ALONG HORN ROAD FROM HAYES INTERMEDIATE SCHOOL TO JC SUMMER, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY GET THE SUP FURTHER NORTH TO KINGSTON AVENUE. THIS $150,000 PROJECT AGAIN, ANOTHER SAFETY CONCERN IN THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD BE ALLEVIATED. PLUS THAT THAT BLACKTOP PATH ENDS ABRUPTLY AND THERE'S NO PLACE TO GO OTHER THAN THE STREET. SO YEAH, THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT GETS EVERYBODY TO KINGSTON. HOW CAN WE DO THAT SO CHEAP AGAIN? I MEAN, THAT JUST JUST SEEMS INCREDIBLY CHEAP. IT'S A RELATIVELY SHORT SECTION. YEAH. HOW HOW FAR IS THAT DO YOU THINK THE, YOU KNOW, OFFHAND OKAY. I MEAN GREAT DEAL. LET'S GO. YES. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT TOO CHEAP. YEAH. DEFINE CHEAP RIGHT.

WHICH TAKES US TO THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE. THE BEULAH PARK SECTION TWO SHARED USE PATH. THE SHARED USE PATH WOULD BE ALONG THE WEST WATER RUN CONSERVATION EASEMENT BEHIND THE HOMES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PARK STREET THAT WOULD CONNECT DEMARS ROAD TO THE BEULAH PARK DRIVE AREA. SO THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.

AND WE'RE HOPEFUL TO GET THIS COMPLETED THEN IN 2025. OKAY, THE ANNUAL TRAIL MAINTENANCE, $400,000. YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ANNUAL EVENT THAT WE UNDERTAKE. IT'S TYPICALLY PERFORMED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ANNUAL STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. AND IT INVOLVES MAINTENANCE, REPAIRS TO THE SHARED USE PATH NETWORK. THE LIST OF REPAIRS WILL BE COMPILED IN EARLY 2025 AND SHARED WITH YOU. WHEN WE HAVE THAT READY. NEXT, WE'LL GO TO THE SANITARY SEWER PROJECTS, THE ANNUAL SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT REHABILITATION PROGRAM. SOME YEARS AGO, I THINK FOUR YEARS AGO, WE DID AN EVALUATION OF SOME SANITARY SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT NEED DONE, AND WE TELEVISED SEVERAL AREAS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY AND WE IDENTIFIED APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION IN NEED FOR THIS ANNUAL PROGRAM.

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THE HARRIS DEVELOPMENT SANITARY OVERSIZING THE HARRIS DEVELOPER, IS REQUIRED TO OVERSIZE THE SEWER TO ACCOMMODATE FLOW IN THAT AREA AND THE CONTINUAL DEVELOPMENT THERE. THIS BUDGET ITEM IS TO IS THE CITY'S SHARE OF THAT OVERSIZING PROJECT. OVER $170,000. AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT COMING OUT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, BUT WOULD COME OUT OF THE SANITARY FUND.

STORMWATER PROJECTS. BUCKEYE PARKWAY, HEADWALL. WE HAVE A SITUATION THERE WHERE THE HEADWALL AND DRAINAGE OUTFALL HAS CREATED SOME EROSION THERE. THE DETERIORATION OF THAT HEADWALL, AND IT WOULD REQUIRE ABOUT $200,000 TO REMEDY THAT SITUATION. AND THEN SIMILARLY, THE CONCORD LAKES POND STABILIZATION, $260,000 INCLUDES MAINTENANCE UPGRADES TO THE CONCORD LAKE CITY MAINTAINED POND. IT HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT BANK EROSION IN THAT AREA. THE DESIGN FOR THIS WAS COMPLETED IN 24, AND THEN THE $260,000 WOULD ALLOW US TO REMEDY THAT SITUATION IN 2025. WATER PROJECTS FOR 2025. THE MANNHEIM WATER FLUSHING STATION. THIS IS $200,000. THE. THERE IS A LINE THERE THAT IS KIND OF A DEAD END SITUATION, AND WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE A FLUSHING STATION THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER QUALITY IN THAT AREA IS MAINTAINED. WHEN YOU GET A DEAD END LINE, SOMETIMES THOSE WATER FLOWS GET STAGNANT, AND THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT SITUATION. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A CIP FUNDED PROJECT, BUT ALSO OUT OF THE WATER FUND. THE ORDER'S ROAD WATER LINE EXTENSION $50,000. THIS BUDGET ITEM ACCOUNTS FOR THE CITY'S COST SHARE PORTION, THE OVERSIZING FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. THE HICKORY CREEK DEVELOPMENT, LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WATERS ROAD. AGAIN, THIS 57 $50,000 WOULD COME OUT OF THE WATER FUND AND NOT THE GENERAL CIP. SO I THINK THAT COVERS THE ITEMS THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT. AND I TOOK COPIOUS NOTES ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD SAID HERE. AND WE WANT TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION TO YOU ON SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. YES, SIR. DID I SORRY IF WE MISSED THIS. DID WE TALK ABOUT THE WHITE ROAD 104 QUARRY PARK IMPROVEMENTS? WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON, SIR? PAGE 107. $6.4 MILLION. PINNACLE. TIFF. PINNACLE. TIFF.

THAT'S THIS YEAR. YEAH, THAT IS OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE QUARRY PINNACLE. SO IT INCLUDES THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THEN ALSO THE WHITE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE FULLY DESIGNED AND CONTINUE TO WAIT TO SEE HOW THE LAND ACQUISITION PLAYS OUT. SO WE HAD THOSE APPROPRIATED LAST YEAR AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MOVE THOSE FORWARD BUT HOPE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO JUST PUTTING THEM BACK IN THE PARK DESIGN IS UNDERWAY NOW AND WOULD BE READY TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN 2025. THIS CORPORATE KNOWLEDGE IS IMMENSE. MY FOUR MONTHS OF KNOWLEDGE IS MINIMAL IN COMPARISON. NO, IT'S ALL GOOD. IT'S JUST I REMEMBER SEEING A BIG OTHER BIG ONES AND I WONDER IF THERE'S NOW IF THERE'S MORE OUT THERE THAT THAT DIDN'T GET COVERED BECAUSE THESE ARE LARGELY EMT INVOLVED PROJECTS YOU WENT THROUGH. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 2024 CIP UPDATES THAT WE SEND OUT, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE. OKAY. VERY NICE WORK ON THE BOOK, BY THE WAY. I LIKE THAT IN THE BACK YOU CAN SEE THE 2024. IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

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YOU GOT TO KEEP UP YOUR PROPERTY. I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS REALLY THAT WE HAD NO CHOICE. WE I GUESS WE COULD HAVE PULLED A COUPLE CHAIRS UP TO THE END. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT TO. BUT TO COMPLETELY REBUILD THIS ROOM, TO ACCOMMODATE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TO DATE, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SOLVE THIS TONIGHT, IT'S JUST THAT. ARE WE READY TO APPROPRIATE $800,000 VERSUS REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THAT $800,000 GETTING US? WHAT ARE WHAT ALTERNATIVES DO WE HAVE? CAN WE REFRESH THE UPSTAIRS FOR A LESS EXPENSIVE PRICE TAG THAN $800,000 AND START THINKING MORE LONG TERM PLANNING? SO DO WE ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN FOR THE SECOND? FOR THE SECOND, WE HAVE THE PLAN. OKAY. I QUITE FRANKLY THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A SLAM DUNK, BUT WE HAVE THE PLAN AND WE'VE HAD TWO OTHER ARCHITECTS LOOK AT IT AND THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS IN THE MILLION DOLLAR RANGE. AND WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND $1 MILLION UP THERE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. AS AN EXAMPLE, PAYING THE FRAMES UPSTAIRS, THERE STILL FRAMES. THE WINDOWS ARE ALL STEEL. CONVERTING THEM TO WOOD AND PAINTING THEM THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE TO BE IN AN EXECUTIVE SUITE IS DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REFRESHING IT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT IS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH CONSTRUCTION. THE WIND IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CONSTRUCTION IS REPLACING THE STEEL WINDOWS AND REPLACING THE FRAMES AROUND THE DOORS, PUTTING THE CARPET IN AND PAINTING IT. AND THERE IS SOME FURNITURE AND MOST OF IT'S MODULAR. I THINK IT'S 1 OR 2 OFFICES, MAYBE. I MEAN, I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVENTUALLY A STUDY DONE TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON THIS BUILDING AS FAR AS EXPANDING IT.

IF WE HAVE TO. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. I MEAN, IF WE NEED CARPET AND PAINT, THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T KNOW. WHAT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE. CAN I JUST ASK? I KNOW YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT CARPET AND PAINT, BUT I THINK WHAT I JUST HEARD FROM THE MAYOR AND I JUST WANT CLARITY ON. SO WE'RE REPLACING WINDOWS THAT ARE STEEL WINDOWS TO BE WOOD FRAMED WINDOWS INSTEAD, WE'RE UP IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. THERE ARE TWO SETS OF WINDOWS. THERE'S ONE RIGHT BY THE VESTIBULE AREA, AND THEN THERE'S ONE THAT LOOKS OUT OVER THE AND YES, THOSE THOSE TWO WINDOWS WILL BE REPLACED WITH WOODEN WINDOWS. THOSE ARE INTERIOR WINDOWS, CORRECT. OH YEAH. RIGHT THERE. ALL EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING IS INTERIOR. I JUST MIGHT MENTION TO YOU, I THINK 4 OR 5 OF THE OFFICES UP THERE STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL FURNITURE IN THERE, 35 YEARS OLD. AND WHICH IS TRUE, IT'S FADED JUST FROM THE SUN COMING THROUGH, BUT WE STILL GET OUR WORK DONE. BILL, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS TO REALLY REHAB THE SECOND FLOOR? THE WAY THE ARCHITECT SUGGESTED IT? WAS MORE THAN 800,000. IT WAS LIKE A MILLION TWO OR SOMETHING TO WHICH WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO. BUT IT WAS A HALF $1 MILLION THIS SUMMER. AND NOW SOMEHOW WE'RE. THAT WAS FOR THE COOLING TOWER. NO, NO, THAT WAS

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IT'S 800,000. BUT NOW 800,000 IS US BEING FRUGAL AND DOING ONLY WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO DO.

IT'S JUST A LARGE PRICE TAG. AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST NOT A LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THIS VERY HIGH PRICE TAG. I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE. I DO KNOW THAT I'D BE UP FOR PUTTING UP FOR A VOTE TO KEEP IT IN OR OUT. I MEAN, COULD I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE JUST DECIDE TO ALLOW THIS TO STAY IN? YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY IN. IT'S CHANGED. SO DO I HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT TO REMOVE IT? THE $800,000 FOR CITY HALL'S REMODEL. THERE'S A MOTION ON SECOND. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REMOVE $800,000 FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECTS FOR CITY HALL REMODEL.

SECONDED BY MISS HAWK. AND I NEED TO SEE WHERE I LEFT OFF. OKAY. MISS BURROWS? YES, MISS ANDERSON? YES, MR. YES, YES, MR. HOLT? YES. BERRY? NO. MR. DU. YES. OKAY. THE OTHER ONE THAT I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ON WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE TOWN CENTER ALLOCATION IS FOR DESIGN COSTS ONLY. WE HAVE 400,000 TO THE GOOD COMING FROM A STATE. STATE GRANT, AND WE HAVE 200,000. THAT'S OUR MONEY. I THINK THE WAY THE WAY THIS IS WORDED. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THEM TO PROPOSE, TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT TO LESS, OR JUST BE ADAMANT THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN AND THAT WE ONLY APPROVE THE DESIGN MONIES. DOES ANYONE HAVE OPINIO? MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S MY OPINION. I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH APPROPRIATING IT AS LONG AS THE ADMINISTRATION REALIZES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARK COMMITTEE MEETING TO DISCUSS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO. YEAH, IT'LL TAKE MUCH MORE THAN 200,000. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO EXPAND ON IT A LITTLE BIT SINCE I HAVE BEEN LEADING THE WORK WITH SCHOOLEY CALDWELL THAT WE'VE ENGAGED FOR CONCEPT PLANNING. CHUCK MENTIONED THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS, AND AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT THE MAYOR SHARED WITH YOU ALL THAT IN JANUARY, WE'D BE READY TO BRING THOSE CONCEPT PLANS TO YOU. BUT ONCE WE HAVE THOSE CONCEPT AND CONSENSUS ON THAT IN 2025, WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO DETAILED DESIGN. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE $200,000 IS FOR. BUT WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND WE WANT YOU INVOLVED. WE WANT CONSENSUS ON WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE A GEM IN OUR TOWN CENTER FOR OUR FUTURE EVENT SPACE. SO THE 200,000, AGAIN, IS FOR THE DESIGN, I GUESS. WHY IS IT NOT UNDER ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? THAT SAYS TBD AND IT JUST SHOWS. I MEAN, EVERYTHING SHOWS TBD. I WASN'T LOOKING AT THE TAMMY'S BRINGING IT UP. THERE YOU GO. THERE WE G. THAT IS A MISTAKE ON MY PART. IT COULD HAVE BEEN LISTED UNDER ENGINEERING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AS. THEN ONCE WE DO THAT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON THAT FIRST LINE THERE. BUT THAT'S THE FULL. THE FULL 200,000 IS THE DESIGN SERVICES. YES. AND MR. BERRY, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAY PARK COMMITTEE, YOU MEAN THE PARK COMMITTEE UNDER THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE, BUT ALSO INCLUDING THE PARK BOARD, WE CAN DO BOTH. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE. THEY SHOULD BE INVOLVED AS WELL. YEAH. AND I DON'T HAVE SUCH HARD FEELINGS ABOUT I'M OKAY WITH LEAVING THIS AS AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING. SO MR. CHAIRMAN, NOT TO GO BACK TO THE OTHER ISSUE, BUT I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I'M WHAT I HEARD COUNCIL SAY IS WE WANT A MORE DETAILED PROPOSAL OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND THEY COULD SUBMIT THAT TO US SEPARATELY. CORRECT? YES. IT'S TODAY, AS OF TODAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT TO DO? I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER I DON'T EITHER. I THINK WE HAD ADVERSE OPINIONS ON OR SOMETHING. SO NOW DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY TIME TO SPEAK OF CIP THAT WE FEEL IS NOT IN HERE? AND WE WANT TO ADVOCATE TO BE IN FROM THE COUNCIL SIDE? THAT'S NOT IN THE LIST. IT'S NOT IN THIS LISTING, OR AT LEAST WE WANT PERHAPS A PRESENTATION. SO I HAVE ONE, BUT I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. BUT IF SOMEONE ELSE HAS IT. SO IN THE 2025 BUDGET WE DON'T HAVE WHAT I THINK IS A

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THAT'S A KEY ADVANTAGE. AND I THINK AS A POSSIBLE OTHER ADVANTAGE IN THE SPACE OF SECURITY, I'VE HEARD CHATTER. I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL REPORTS, BUT I'VE HEARD CHATTER. WE'VE HAD VANDALISM ON THESE COURTS AND IN THESE AREAS. AND I THINK PERHAPS THESE KIND OF CAMERAS COULD DETER SOME VANDALISM. THAT'S OCCURRING. AND DIFFERENT GRAFFITI THAT'S GOING ON SPECIFICALLY AT BEULAH AND DIFFERENT BIKE RIDING. AND PERHAPS WE CAN IMPROVE OUR LOCK SYSTEM AT NIGHT OR SOMETHING. BUT SO I JUST THINK CAMERAS IN GENERAL WOULD BE A PLUS. AND I DO AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF JACK COULD SPEAK TO IT, BUT THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT SAME KIND OF FEEDBACK, BUT I DO THINK I'D LIKE TO ADVOCATE THAT WE HAVE THAT IN THE BUDGET, AND WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET THE RIGHT DESIGN AND IDEAS AND SOME KIND OF COST AND CONSENSUS WITH YOUR TEAM. AND, AND CERTAINLY I'D WANT YOU TO SPEAK UP AND HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT TOO. BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS MISSING. I THINK I PLAY A LOT. I'VE SEEN THESE ISSUES. WE'RE TALKING A LOT AND TO ME IT'S WORTH IT'S WORTH DOING. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE THE ONE TO SAY, THEREFORE, I WANT TO PUT IN THIS KIND OF MONEY BECAUSE I, I'M NOT PROFESSING TO BE THE EXPERT. BUT I DO THINK THERE IS COMMUNITY DESIGNER FOR THAT AMENITY. OKAY.

SO. TWO LOCATIONS ON THAT. YEAH. I THINK I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S TWO THERE'S TWO THINGS AT PLAY HERE. ONE, CAMERAS TO SEE AVAILABILITY OF COURTS IS ONE THING. THE SECURITY PART OF THAT IS, IS ANOTHER. AND I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT JACK AND I'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ONE AT BEULAH PARK IN TERMS OF THAT SHELTER HOUSE, THE PLAYGROUND THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THE SHELTER HOUSE THERE, THE COVERED SHELTER HOUSE, AND ADDING AND THEN RESTROOMS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL INSTANCES OF VANDALISM IN THOSE, THOSE RESTROOMS IN THAT AREA. SO WE'VE LOOKED AT A PLAN FOR THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, BALL PARK 20 TO $25,000 TO FOR US TO DO THAT. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF WHAT IS IN MY BUDGET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, IS, IS WE HAVE ADDITIONS AND REPLACEMENTS OF THOSE TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE OR THAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN PARKS, BUILDINGS AND WHAT WE HAVE ANYWAY. SO SOME OF THAT I THINK, CAN BE ABSORBED AS A PART OF WHAT WE WOULD DO IN 2025. IN, IN THAT SPACE. I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH IN TERMS OF CAMERAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEING THE AVAILABILITY OF COURTS, HOW AND WHERE WE WOULD PUT THAT, THE CAMERAS THAT WE WOULD PUT IN FOR SECURITY GO INTO OUR SYSTEM. THERE'S A THERE'S A VERY STRINGENT PROCESS FOR PULLING THAT VIDEO OUT. AND WE HAVE POLICY TODAY THAT THE ONLY PERSON THAT CAN APPROVE THE RELEASE OF THAT POLICY IS, IS THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE WE HAVE TODAY SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF ABOUT 350 CAMERAS AMONGST NOT ONLY OUR FACILITIES, BUT FACILITIES FOR THE TOWNSHIPS AND EVERYTHING. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT VIDEO GETS RELEASED IN THE PROPER FASHION. AND SO FOR THE CITY OF GROVE CITY, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S IN THIS LOBBY, THE PD LOBBY OR AT A PARK, WHATEVER. CHUCK IS THE ONE THAT APPROVES THE RELEASE OF THAT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SENSITIVITY TO AND STEPHEN WILL, WILL, WILL CAN ATTEST TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A CUSTODY EXCHANGE OR SOME SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE WE'RE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT HOW THAT VIDEO GETS RELEASED. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AT PLAY HERE. AND YOU KNOW, THIS THE CAMERAS FOR DOING WHOSE YOU KNOW, COURTS OF COURT AVAILABILITY IS SOMETHING FROM A TECHNOLOGY STANDPOINT IS RELATIVELY EASY TO DO. BUT HOW THAT'S MANAGED AND HOW THAT GETS, HOW WE ACCOMPLISH THAT IS SOMETHING REALLY THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LEND OR LEAN ON JACK TO SAY WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR EXPERTISE, WHAT'S WHAT'S YOUR WHAT'S YOUR EXPERIENCE. TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SO I WILL NEVER STAND UP HERE AND SAY IT'S FROM A TECHNOLOGY

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AND, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY THAT'S THAT'S NOT A TASK THAT THAT WE AS A CITY DO. THAT'S A DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY. BUT TO SAY THERE'S SOMETHING IN THIS BUDGET THAT I WOULD COULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT IT WOULD BE. AND KYLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD. I MEAN, WE'VE STRUGGLED WITH IT. WE ALL MAY, I GUESS, WOULD WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT ENGINEERING WORK IS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR ENGINEERING CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH FEMA OR OR WOULD THERE BE SEPARATE CHARGES? AND I THINK I HAD IN MY NOTES, I'M THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE REALLY, WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS THAT SORT OF FINANCIAL EVIDENCE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD SOME ON SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. SO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND BROADWAY LIVE, TO ME, WE CAN'T SEE IN THE BUDGET. BUT BUT WOULD THAT ENGINEERING FALL UNDERNEATH THAT CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP OR WOULD IT BE. NO, IT WOULD NOT SEPARATE. YEAH. IT MAYBE IS RYAN RYAN, YOU MIGHT DISCUSS IN TERMS OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, JUST TO GET FROM HOME PLATE TO FIRST BASE, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOODPLAIN, THEY'RE REGULATED BY FEMA ENCROACH INTO THESE PROPERTIES AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS AS WE MET AS AN ADMINISTRATION AND JUST LOOKED OVER THEIR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I THINK THE FIRST CHALLENGE IS OVERCOMING, YOU KNOW, THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOODPLAIN CONCERNS AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY A WAY TO MINIMIZE THE FLOOD WAY THROUGH THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT CREATING IMPACTS TO OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES DOWNSTREAM. AND SO IT'S HARD TO KNOW UNTIL YOU REALLY START TO DIVE INTO A REALLY TECHNICAL AND DETAILED STUDY ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH EFFORT IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND WHAT THE WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A GRADING SOLUTION THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MOVING DIRT AROUND THAT'S GOING TO FIX THIS, THIS ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, CREATE A DEVELOPABLE SPACE OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT WAS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE TO A STORM SEWER PIPE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH BROADWAY TO TRY TO CREATE SOME ADDITIONAL STORAGE UPSTREAM AND MINIMIZE AND NARROW THAT FLOODWAY AS THE WATER FLOWS OUT OF THAT PIPE AND THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHALLENGING TO DO WITHOUT REALLY DIVING INTO A DETAILED STUDY AND ANALYSIS TO TELL YOU WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. BUT THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE UP FRONT IS REALLY KNOWING, YOU KNOW, HOW TO HOW TO PROCEED AND WHAT THE RIGHT STEPS ARE TO TAKE WITH RESPECT TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE FLOODWAY. I JUST CAN I ADD I'M WITH CHRISTINE. I THINK IN THE SENSE OF WANTING TO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW, BUT WANTING TO SEE SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWING THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. I MEAN, IT'S IRONIC THAT A COUPLE OF THE GUEST SPEAKERS TONIGHT FOR NEW BUSINESS DID SPEAK ON THE AMENITIES OF GROVE CITY, AND I KNOW SOME OF IT'S RELATED TO A COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT SOME OF IT IS ALSO RELATED TO WHERE COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITY MEMBERS SPEND THEIR DOLLARS AND GO FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND ACTIVITIES.

AND I THINK IN THIS PAST YEAR THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS, BUT THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY FORWARD PROGRESSION IN TERMS OF THIS BROADWAY LIVE EXPERIENCE. SO AND I'LL GO BACK ONE STEP FURTHER, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE KNEW THERE WAS LAND ACQUISITION THAT OCCURRED IN 2021, AND WE HAVE HELD THIS OUT AS A SIGN OF STRATEGIC INNOVATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THIS DESTINATION PROJECT, WHICH IS GOING TO OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. THAT'S HOW BIG PROJECTS GET ACCOMPLISHED. AND YET HERE WE ARE IN THE YEAR 2024, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 2025 BUDGET. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY CLEAR SIGNS OF THAT

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AND I THINK IT'S THAT THAT THAT SIMPLE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT NECESSITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO IMPACT THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY FROM THE STORMWATER. WE'VE GOT A $10 MILLION PROJECT. WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT. AND THIS IS A MAJOR, MAJOR PROJECT IN TERMS OF TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OF STORMWATER ON THAT SITE. AND IT'S. IT'S NEVER BEEN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THAT TASK ON. WHEN SOMEBODY BUYS PROPERTY, THEY DO IT. YOU KNOW, YOU DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND WE DO TO. WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO BE PARTNERS. WE'VE SHOWN THAT IN THE PAST TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. BUT WHEN THERE'S SUCH A LET'S SAY IT'S 10 MILLION, I CONSIDER THAT A FAIRLY LARGE ASK. AND IF THERE'S NOT A MEANS OF HAVING ENOUGH REVENUE TO AT LEAST PAY YOUR DEBT SERVICE AND YOU'RE GIVING INCENTIVES TO BEGIN WITH, REALLY, IN TERMS OF THE ABATEMENT, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A SUBJECT THAT IS THE DEBATABLE FROM NOT ONLY THE CITY OF GROVE CITY STANDPOINT. JACKSON TOWNSHIP, THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, BUT AGAIN, WE REACT TO DEVELOPERS PLANS AND IT'S VERY EASY TO PUT A PLAN IN FRONT OF US WITH BUILDINGS ON IT AND, AND, AND HAVE US. OH YEAH, WE LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO WHAT THE ENGINEER WAS JUST SAYING, WE NEED SOME CONCRETE INFORMATION. I GUESS THE DISCUSSION IS WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? IS THAT SIMPLE? IS IT FAIR AND IS NOW A TIME TO SAY, WHAT ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER? I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET. NO, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T EVEN DECIDED WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. NO, THAT'S MY POINT. BUT THE KIND OF THOSE STEPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE MOMENTUM, WE MAY NOT HAVE THE DOLLARS, BUT. I DON'T KNOW. AND I THINK WE CAN GO INTO THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS CERTAINLY

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THAT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU A REC CENTER. AND THE LAND. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IDENTIFY THE LAND, IDENTIFY THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS, QUITE FRANKLY, TO IDENTIFY THAT LAND. AND I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF DO WE PARTNER WITH THE YMCA OR NOT? AND I THINK I GUESS WE NEED TO RULE THAT OUT THAT IT WOULD BE EASY TOMORROW TO GIVE $30 MILLION TO THE TO THE Y AND SAY, EXPAND. WE WANT THESE, THESE CERTAIN THINGS IN YOUR FACILITY. BUT I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS WHERE COUNCIL THINKS AND MANY PEOPLE THINK AND MANY PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET OVER THOSE HURDLES. BUT I THINK THE FIRST THING IS, OKAY, LET'S LET'S IDENTIFY THE LAND AND LET'S GO INTO THE DESIGN SECTION. AND THEN WHEN PEOPLE SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THEN YOU GO OUT AND SELL YOUR PRODUCT IN TERMS OF IN MY OPINION, IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY. I MEAN, IN INCOME TAX FROM 2 TO 2.5%. THERE'S I SEE NO OTHER WAY. AND DECEMBER 16TH WE'RE DISCUSSING PROPERTY WITH COUNCIL. OKAY. ANY OTHER CITY I HAVE I HAVE ONE. AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS PINNACLE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. I JUST WASN'T SURE IF THIS IS THE TIME AND SPACE OR IF I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AS I'VE ATTENDED THE PARK BOARD MEETINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE NICE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE AT THE SPACE OF NEEDING MONEY FOR DESIGN OR WHERE WE ARE WITH THA. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THOSE AREAS, AND I DON'T THINK WE INCLUDED ANYTHING IN THIS BUDGET THIS YEAR. NO, THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION NEEDS TO OCCUR. AT THE LAST PRESENTATION, WHEN WE DID THE REC CENTER, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS START WITH THE FIELDHOUSE AND YOU COULD PUT THE PERHAPS THE REC CENTER THERE. I THINK THOSE HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED FIRST. AND IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE TO SAY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A REC CENTER, CERTAINLY THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THAT. THE PINNACLE TIF OBVIOUSLY. SPEAKING OF THE PINNACLE TIF, SHANNON. YES, SIR. BACK TO PAGE 14. THE BUCKEYE PARK HEADWALL. GOOD QUESTION. THANK YOU. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IT YET. AND WE KNOW THE QUESTION WHY ISN'T THAT PAYABLE FROM THE TIF IS I MEAN, I CAN'T TELL IF THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID NOW, BUT NO, IT WASN'T IT WASN'T A QUESTION. IT'S NOT. WOULDN'T THAT BE A PINNACLE TIF DEAL. THERE'S YES, WE COULD DO THAT. YEAH. OR YOU COULD OKAY. THERE'S 200,000 MARK CAMERAS.

YES, SIR. YES, SIR. REMOVE IT. GOT IT. JUST MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE TIF FUND. IT'S A VERY GOOD OBSERVATION, MR. HOLT. COULD YOU HAVE HIM BACK IN THE COUNTRY? DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? YES, I MAKE A MOTION. WE FUND THE BUCKEYE PARKWAY. HEADWALL AS DEFINED ON PAGE 14 FROM THE PINNACLE TIF. SECOND. MISS ANDERSON. YES, SIR.

YES, HAWK? YES. HOLT. YES. BERRY? YES. YOU. YES. BURROWS. YES. THANK YOU. SHANNON. THANK YOU. YEP. ANY OTHER? CONCLUSIONS. OKAY. SO IF THIS WRAPS UP CIP, HOW ABOUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING OTHER AREAS OF THE BUDGET? OTHER SUBSECTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO TALK THE HOTEL TAX HERE IN A SECOND. RIGHT OKA. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TALK HOTEL

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SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ALMOST MORE APT TO JUST PULL THEM OUT. AND IF WE WANT TO, FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, GIVE THEM A GRANT FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND BE DONE WITH IT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THAT PORTION OF THIS MONEY IS TAKEN OUT OF THE OUT OF THE PIE. WELL, WHAT THEY SUBMITTED FOR, THOUGH, WAS FOR ADDITIONAL PROGRAMING GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ADDITIONAL THINGS AND FOR, FOR ACTUAL BUILDING. YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY NEED IT FOR PROGRAMING AND PROMOTION AND YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT BACK. THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION AS WE HAVE PASSED OUR LAW BACK IN 1989, THEY DO FALL UNDER THAT BECAUSE WE'RE PROMOTING OTHER ACTIVITIES AND DISPROPORTIONATE. I'LL MAKE MY DECLARATIVE STATEMENT. I'LL SUPPORT ANY SUGGESTION THAT DEFUNDS TOTALLY OR INCREMENTALLY IN SUPPORT OF A NEW VCP. I'LL GO AFTER THAT. I GUESS I PROBABLY FEEL A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. RANDY, I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME INTERESTING WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO PREVIOUSLY THERE'S BEEN A COUNCIL LIAISON TO VISIT GROVE CITY, WHICH IS MR. DO CORRECT. AND THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR THAT PERSON HAS NOT HAD VOTING RIGHTS. IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH. AND I WAS BEFORE THAT AND RANDY WAS BEFORE THAT.

MR. HOLT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. SO AND IT SOUNDS THAT NOW THEY HAVE CHANGED WHERE I'M ASSUMING THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS, WHERE THE COUNCIL LIAISON IS NOW A VOTING MEMBER AND YOU SAID THERE'S A CITY ASSOCIATE THAT IS ALSO A VOTING MEMBER. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. SO THEY'VE WORKED TO MAKE THOSE STRIDES IN PARTNERSHIP RIGHT? I I'M I'M PROBABLY MORE IN AGREEMENT WITH THESE NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE SAID, KNOWING THAT IT'S A DID YOU SAY THREE YEAR WORK IN PROGRESS. YEAH. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY FLOATED THIS CONCEPT IT WAS TO RESTORE THEIR FULL 25%. AND WHEN IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT THE PATH THAT THEY WANTED TO GO DOWN AND ADMINISTRATION WEIGHING IN ON THIS CONVERSATION, THEN WE TALKED ABOUT COULD THIS BE MORE WORKABLE? AND IT WAS A ONE YEAR, 25%. AGAIN, REALLY TRYING TO GET THAT THIS IS OUR THIS IS OUR EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT WE'RE BOTH KIND OF SIGNING OFF ON. THIS IS OUR VISION. AND YOU'RE OUR PARTNER. AND, AND SO THE, THE CONCEPT OF THE AGREEMENT IS REALLY TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO. HOW YOU DO IT IS UP TO YOU. BUT HERE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND WE WOULD BE ASKING THEM TO COME IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF EVERY CALENDAR YEAR WITH A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE YEAR, AND THEN REPORT TO US QUARTERLY SHORT AT THE END OF THE MEETING AS TO HOW THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING TO MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THAT BUSINESS PLAN. SO THEIR REPORTS POINT TO THE BUSINESS PLAN. THE BUSINESS PLAN POINTS TO THE AGREEMENT MAKING IT REALLY A BETTER ENVIRONMENT FOR US TO HAVE A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP. AND AGAIN, LET GO OF SOME OF THE HISTORY

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IMPLICATIONS. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND IS TIGHT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT. SO MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT MORE AS THE GENERAL FUND. AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT, LIKE THE GRANT PIECE OR WHATEVER IT BECOMES OF SUBMITTING RECEIPTS, I THINK THE ONLY ONE PIECE I WANT TO ADD, AND I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. SO MAYBE ANY OF THE PAST OR LIAISONS FOR LITTLE THEATER, I BELIEVE LITTLE THEATER IS ALL VOLUNTEER BASED. THERE'S NOT A PAID STAFF VERSUS THE CHAMBER THAT HAS A PAID STAFF, AND HEART OF GROVE CITY THAT HAS A PAID PERSON. SO JUST AS WE THINK THROUGH THAT AND AS WE DEVELOP CRITERIA OF THE WORK THAT IS REQUIRED TO GET THOSE GRANT DOLLARS OR GET THAT MONEY REIMBURSED, I WOULD JUST WANT TO KIND OF CARVE OUT LITTLE THEATER A LITTLE BIT IN THIS ESSENCE OF THEIR FULLY VOLUNTEER RUN STAFF OF PEOPLE, THEN DOING TIME ON THE SIDE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SAME BENEFIT THAT STAFFED ORGANIZATIONS FOR GROVE CITY WOULD GO TO GET THAT BENEFIT. ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S IT. SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, DO THEY THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS TO ALLOW A CITY EMPLOYEE TO BE ON THEIR BOARD. YES. AND THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR BYLAWS TO HAVE A CITY COUNCIL PERSON ON BOARD AS A VOTING MEMBER. AS A VOTING MEMBER? YES. WHEN DID THEY DO THAT? RECENTLY. WERE YOU THERE, MR. DU? YES. THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS DECEMBER 17TH OR 12TH, NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER IN NOVEMBER? YEAH. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. HAVING AN AGREEMENT, AS YOU SAID, WE'VE TALKED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE AGREEMENT. THE AGREEMENT THAT MR. SMITH PUT TOGETHER AFTER OUR MEETING. I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE FINE TUNED. THE PIECE THAT WE HAVE HELD PRETTY SACRED IS THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUND IS ALL YOU GOT TO JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEEP TRACK OF. BUT LET ME READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT FUND FUNDS. 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION, AUTUMN ADVENTURE. BACK TO SCHOOL CHRISTMAS CELEBRATION, KEEP GROVE CITY BEAUTIFUL. HOMECOMING, OLD TIME HARM. THE LIST IS ALMOST A PAGE LONG. THAT FUND IS USED AND EVEN THOUGH YOU SAY, WELL, WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE IN THERE, WE'VE GOT SOME WAGES. BUT THE NET RESULT IS THAT EVEN IF YOU SUBTRACTED THOSE OUT, WE STILL EXCEED WHAT THAT FUND HAS. SO I'M I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF STARTING TO ENCROACH ON THAT FUND AS BEING ANOTHER SOURCE OF DOING THIS, BECAUSE THAT BABY IS DOING AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY TODAY IN IN BUILDING GROVE CITY. WE TOOK HALF THE MONEY OUT OF THAT FUND TWO YEARS AGO, MAYOR, WE BECAUSE WE HAD AN EXTRA RIGHT NOW, WE HELD IT. WE DID. WE HELD IT OVER. I KNOW THAT'S CALLED GOOD STEWARDSHIP. I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE USED IT WHEN WE HAD IT. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE USE ALL OF IT. SO CHRISTINE, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH JUST TAKING THE TOTAL AMOUNT, DOING AN 80 OVER 20 AND BEING DONE WITH IT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? JUST TAKING WHATEVER AMOUNTS AVAILABLE FOR THE HOW MUCH DID THEY GET LAST YEAR 80, 20. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS 585,000 IS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE IN THIS DOCUMENT, SECTION FIVE, 80% OF

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IT'S WHAT I PUT IN MY EMAIL TO YOU, MAYOR. IT'S HERE. IT'S THE IT'S THE DIFFERENCE OF $43,000.

THAT'S ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 46 46,006 SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW, I GOT IT, I GOT IT.

YEAH. AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK AGAIN, NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE ALSO MADE THE CHOICE OF PUTTING 50% OF SALARIES AND BENEFITS FROM BUSINESS AND COMMUNITY RELATIONS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

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SO I HAVE I HAVE ONLY ONE OTHER SMALL THING BEFORE I STOP BEING DIFFICULT. THE OTHER THING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HAS TO BE PART OF THIS BUDGET DISCUSSION, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS PLUGS IN, BUT I WANTED TO BRING UP THE ISSUE OF START TALKING. GROVE CITY AND THEIR REQUEST FOR A GRANT FROM THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND. DO YOU DO WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT? SHOULD THAT BE A SEPARATE APPROPRIATION? THAT IT WILL BE. YEAH, IT SHOULD BE A SEPARATE APPROPRIATION. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT, THAT WE COULD BRING THAT LEGISLATION FORWARD WITH I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW THE AMOUNT YET. HAVE YOU I THINK IT'S $71,000. I JUST LOOKED AT IT TODAY, $71,000. AND I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT FOR THIS COMING YEAR THAT WE GRANT THEM $10,000 AND THEN ASK THEM TO COME BACK TO US BECAUSE THEY HAVE REALLY BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR GRANT FUNDING ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY HAVE THEY'RE THEY'RE SO CONNECTED. EVERYONE I HEARD SOMEBODY SAYING TO THEM ON MARIE'S WITH US HERE THIS EVENING, AND PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH HER IN THE ROOM SAYING, WHERE DID I LAST SEE YOU? BECAUSE SHE'S EVERYWHERE. AND, AND THIS GIVES ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING OUT MY ACTION PLAN TO PROMOTE MENTAL HEALTH AND PREVENT SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, WHICH START TALKING. GROVE CITY WAS AN ACTIVE PART OF, HAS STAYED REALLY PLUGGED IN AND CONNECTED TO OUR GROUP. MR. TIFFORD CAN CAN ABSOLUTELY ATTEST TO THAT. I SENT YOU ALL THE COPIES OF LETTERS AND BUT AND MAYOR SEPARATE APPROPRIATION PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. OKAY. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. MR. CHAIR. I THINK WE NEED TO FOR TAMMY TO ADD AN AMENDMENT FOR THE 46,000 TO BE ADDED TO THE OR DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? SO JUST LET ME ASK THE MAYOR SUBMITTED WHEN HE SUBMITTED HIS BUDGET DOCUMENT TO YOU, HE SUBMITTED THE APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE. RIGHT.

SO YOU GOT PAGE ONE AND TWO, LIKE PAGE TWO, SECTION FIVE, WHICH PRESIDENT HOUCK POINTED OUT DOES NOT HAVE ANY AMOUNTS LISTED. WHERE IS IT? IT JUST SAYS TO BE DETERMINED. ARE YOU ALL OKAY, ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE THAT OR SHOULD YOU MAKE AN AMENDMENT NOW, AN AMENDMENT TO PUT IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THOSE THOSE THINGS I WOULD LIKE AND THE 565 I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND SECTION FIVE TO READ GROVE CITY AREA CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAU 468,000. GROVE CITY CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. 53,775 GROVE CITY TOWN CENTER, INC.

56,685 LITTLE THEATER. 6540. AND THE BALANCE IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED IN ANOTHER SECTION, THE 46. THE 46,000, WHICH THE MAYOR IS GOING TO WORK ON. THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE EXPENSES. SO SHOULD THE CONVENTION BUREAU APPROPRIATION BE CHANGED, SHOULD THAT NUMBER THAT 585 BE CHANGED TO ADD THE 46 OR. NO, NO, NO, YOU HAVE TO. WE ONLY HAVE THAT MUCH TO WORK WITH. OKAY. WE THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO PROBABLY IS TO COME BACK WITH A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FOR $46,000 AND HAVE THE FUND IDENTIFIED AT THAT TIME. HERE COMES MICHAEL. HERE COMES MICHAEL. OKAY. SAINT SAINT MICHAEL, EXCUSE ME. DO THE NUMBERS YOU JUST READ OFF. PRESIDENT, COME UP TO 585. YES, YES, YES. AND THEN IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE ORDINANCE, WE WILL ADD THE 46 EIGHT OR WHATEVER THE DIFFERENCE IS TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO WE CAN GIVE YOU A NEW APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE TO REFLECT WHAT YOU WANT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T REALLY SURE. I DON'T HAVE MY

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HENDERSON. YES. THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING MORE. THANK YOU. ALL. I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE GRANT. THE $10,000 GRANT. DO WE HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM? BECAUSE I THOUGHT EARLIER YOU SAID WE MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM. OR DO WE HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM? THE OPIOIDS MONEY? NO, NO, WE'LL HAVE TO CREATE ONE WITH A GREAT ONE. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE A FUND FROM CAME FROM SOMEWHERE AND WE HAVE 71,000 LEFT IN IT. THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. SO THIS IS A PERFECT PURPOSE TO SPEND THAT MONEY FROM THE FUND, WHICH I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PROCESS OF APPLYING AND EXECUTING A GRANT THAT. YEAH, OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS BUDGET BUT IS FOR TONIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL REGARDING THE BUDGET AS, AS WE LEFT IT? THERE CERTAINLY WERE A LOT OF HIRES IN THE PARKS AND RECREATION. SO JACK'S MADE A BIG IMPACT. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. RIGHT. I THINK WE ALL LOOK EXHAUSTED. YOU HAVE THE GAVEL. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. WE WILL BE BACK TOGETHER FOR OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY EVENING, DECEMBER THE 16TH. WITH

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