Dec 03, 2024 Planning Commission

CHECK THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WELCOME TO GROVE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION. I CALL THE

[A. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL]

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CHAIR. OYSTER. HERE. MR. FARNSWORTH. HERE. MR. TITUS. HERE. AND IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN STANDING FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STAND.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. PLANNING

[C. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES – November 5th, 2024]

OTHERWISE, WE'LL BE READY FOR A MOTION. CHAIR I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN AND SUBMITTED. I SECOND. ROLL CALL, MISS WEMLINGER. YES. CHAIR. OYSTER. YES. MR. FARNSWORTH. YES. MR. TITUS. YES. MR. ROCK. YES. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. WHEN YOUR ITEM IS CALLED, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AS WELL AS YOUR ADDRESS.

AND THEN, IF YOU COULD REMAIN THERE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE CITY WILL PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL KIND OF HAVE A DISCUSSION, ASK SOME QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AS WEL. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER ONE COURTYARDS AT MULBERRY RUN.

[1. APPLICATION: Courtyards at Mulberry Run Section 2 – Plat]

JACKSON 79679601. THIS YEAR FOR THIS ONE. THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PLAT CONTAINING 40 LOTS AND THREE RESERVES ON 10.62 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF WHITE ROAD AND MCDOWELL ROAD. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE COURTYARDS AT MULBERRY RUN IN MARCH OF 2023, AND THE PLAT WILL FORMALIZE THE PARCELS AND RESERVES, AS SHOWN ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF WHITE ROAD.

THIS PLAT CONTAINS 40 LOTS AND THREE RESERVE AREAS. RESERVES A AND B ARE TO BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF OPEN SPACE, RECREATION AND STORMWATER CONTROL AND RESERVE IS TO BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND CONTAINS TWO PRIVATE DRIVES. SINCE PACKET DISTRIBUTION, A MINOR CHANGE WAS MADE TO ONE OF THE NOTES ON THE PLAT, AND A COPY OF THE CORRECTED PLAT HAS BEEN LEFT FOR EACH MEMBER OF PLANNING COMMISSION AT THEIR DESK. THE CHANGE WAS VERY MINOR AND DOES NOT CHANGE THE CONTENT OF THE PLAT. AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PLAT AS SUBMITTED. QUESTIONS OF PLANNING COMMISSION. I JUST HAD ONE. THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DOWN ON THE END OF THE TURNAROUND ON THE BULB. YEAH. WHAT ALL DOES THAT. HOW DOES THAT TIE IN TO EXISTING ROADWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE? SO THERE IS A I BELIEVE IT'S 20 FOOT WIDE PAVEMENT THAT CONNECTS FROM THE BULB TO THE EXISTING JODY DRIVE. AND THERE ARE KNOCKED DOWN BOLLARDS THAT ARE PROVIDED THAT. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS, EMERGENCY ACCESS. BUT THEN IT'S NOT A COMMON USE. AND IT CAN ALSO BE USED AS A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY AS THERE ARE SIDEWALKS CONNECTING. OKAY. THAT WAS MY HOPE THAT IT HAD PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO KEEP KIDS OFF OF WHITE ROAD SO THEY CAN TRAVERSE THROUGH BOTH. THERE'S AN ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDED OVER TOP OF IT SO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS CAN GO BACK AND FORTH. GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PLANS IN THAT DETAIL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF PLANNING COMMISSIO? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO HANDS, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. HERE, I MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND OUR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF COURTYARD AT MULBERRY RUN. SECTION TWO PLAT. SECOND. ROLL CALL. CHAIR. OYSTER. YES. MR. FARNSWORTH?

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[2. APPLICATION: Ohio Cannabis Company – Special Use Permit]

MATERIALS STATE THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE ADJUSTED BASED ON DEMAND OF REMAINING COMPLIANT WITH GROVE CITY AND STATE OF OHIO REGULATIONS. GROVE CITY'S CODE RESTRICTS THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THIS USE BETWEEN 7 A.M. TO 9 P.M, AND THE MATERIALS STATE THE USE WILL COMPLY WITH THESE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, MATERIALS ALSO NOTE THE USE PROPOSES TO COMPLY WITH STATE REQUIREMENTS WHICH ALLOW FOR THESE USES TO OPERATE FROM 7 A.M. TO 11 P.M, WHICH IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION OUTLINED IN CODE. THE USE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED BY CITY COUNCIL ALSO PERMIT A MARIJUANA RETAILER FROM LOCATING WITHIN 500FT, MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF A PARCEL THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL IN USE AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION FOR THIS USE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT. TWO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO THE SOUTH OF THE SITE, AND BOTH LESS THAN 500FT FROM THE PROPOSED LOCATION. SUBMITTED MATERIALS INDICATE THAT A VARIANCE TO THIS REQUIREMENT IS BEING REQUESTED. CODE STATES THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MAY VARY ANY SUPPLEMENTARY REQUIREMENTS DETERMINED TO BE AN UNNECESSARY HARDSHIP ON THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. THE REQUIREMENTS ESTABLISHED IN CODE ALSO PROHIBIT DRIVE THROUGH USES AND ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED USE, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A DRIVE THROUGH USE WITH THEIR APPLICATION UTILIZING THE EXISTING PICKUP WINDOW ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE. MATERIALS STATE THE DRIVE THROUGH WOULD BE FOR MEDICAL CUSTOMERS ONLY. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MECHANISM IN PLACE TO RESTRICT THE USE OF THE DRIVE THROUGH TO MEDICAL CUSTOMERS ONLY, AND THE CODE RESTRICTION DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE. TYPES OF DRIVE THROUGH BASED ON CUSTOMER TYPE. NOTING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA FOR THESE USES. PROHIBITS DRIVE THROUGH STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE INCLUSION OF A DRIVE THROUGH WITH THIS USE, AND DOES NOT BELIEVE A VARIANCE FROM THIS REQUIREMENT IS WARRANTED. SUBMITTED MATERIALS DO NOT SHOW ANY IMPROVEMENTS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE SITE. HOWEVER, CODE REQUIRES THAT SITES BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING CODE WHEN A CHANGE OF USE OCCURS. SHOULD THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION BE APPROVED. STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO IDENTIFY IDENTIFY NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE SECTIONS OF THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE CODE. SUBMITTED MATERIALS INDICATE THAT MANY OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY REQUIREMENTS FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RETAIL DISPENSING OF MEDICAL AND RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA WILL BE MET BY COMPLYING WITH OHIO ADMINISTRATIVE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUCH A USE. HOWEVER, THE MATERIALS ARE NOT SPECIFIC FOR MANY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF HOW THE STANDARDS WILL BE MET.

NOTING THE PROPOSED SPECIAL USE PERMIT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CRITERIA FOR SUCH A USE AS ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE C 3224. AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS SUBMITTED. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? I GUESS YES, I WOULD. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT COMING TO GROVE CITY. WE DO WANT TO FIND A COMPLIANT SPACE. WE LOOKED VERY HARD. WE ARE GOING TO ASK CITY COUNCIL FOR THOSE TWO VARIANCES. ONE OF THEM, I THINK WHEN THEY WHEN THEY PASSED THAT THEY DID IT VERY QUICKLY AND DID NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRIVE THROUGH FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HANDICAPPED OR HAVE IMMUNE SYSTEMS THAT ARE COMPROMISED. AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE HELPING OUT OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON THE DRIVE THROUGH, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD RECONSIDER FOR JUST THE MEDICAL PATIENTS. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE REQUESTING THAT. AND AS FOR THE 500FT, WE DO FEEL IT'S A LITTLE BURDENSOME AND WE WOULD LIKE RELIEF FROM THAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF PLANNING COMMISSIO? I THINK THIS IS A HORRIBLE LOCATION FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, THE STATE HAS SPOKEN AND SAYS THIS IS OKAY, BUT IN GROVE CITY TO HAVE THAT ON ONE OF OUR MAIN DRAGS, RIGHT AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S BETTER LOCATIONS THAT YOU COULD FIND TO DO THAT. BUT BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF PLANNING COMMISSION? IS THERE ANYONE? THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO

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MR. FARNSWORTH. NO. MR. NO. MR. ROCK. NO. MISS WEMLINGER. NO. AND CHAIR. WOOSTER. NO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND THAT WILL STILL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL IN TWO WEEKS. ITEM NUMBER THREE, RED

[3. APPLICATION: RedRock Timbers Duplex – Preliminary Development Plan]

THE DRIVEWAY SPACES ALONG BONNIE AVENUE ARE APPROXIMATELY 18FT AND COULD RESULT IN CONFLICT WITH VEHICLES IN THE STREET. THE PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY 1800 SQUARE FOOT DUPLEX WILL BE LOCATED ALONG BRUCE AVENUE FRONTAGE, AND WILL HAVE A TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE ACCESS FROM THE ALLEYWAY. EACH OF THESE UNITS WILL BE THREE BEDROOMS AND THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR ABOVE. ELEVATIONS WERE SUBMITTED, BUT FINAL FINAL FINISHES AND MATERIAL MATERIAL WERE UNCLEAR. THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE PUD AND GROVE CITY 2050 CRITERIA WITH REGARDS TO CONFORMANCE WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE LAND USE AND OVERALL DESIGN. NOTING THESE REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN MET, STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF THE FIVE UNITS ON THIS SITE BASED ON THE CURRENT ZONING PERMITTING A MAXIMUM OF TWO UNITS. THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE PROPERTY IN D TO D1 IN 1999 WAS REVIEWED AS A AS A SINGLE LOT, NOTING THAT THE AREA CONSISTS OF TWO FORMER LOTS THAT WERE COMBINED PRIOR TO THE REZONING. STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS IN CHARACTER, WITH THE EXISTING SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND BELIEVES THAT THE INTENSITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, GIVEN THAT THE TWO LOTS WERE COMBINED IN ORDER TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO D1, AND THAT BOTH OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED REQUESTS TO REZONE THE SITE TO PDR IN THE 1990S WERE TO BUILD A SINGLE DUPLEX DUPLEX STRUCTURE, AND AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, I'VE GOT QUITE A BIT. SO FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT. SO I THINK ASKING FOR THREE WAS A SHOT IN THE DARK. IF YOU DON'T ASK YOU DON'T KNOW. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PARCEL I LOOK AT IT AS IT ORIGINALLY WAS. TWO LOTS. THERE'S QUITE A FEW PARCELS THROUGHOUT TOWN OVER THE LAST 24 MONTHS OF THIS SIZE. IF YOU LOOKED AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY THAT HAVE SET A PRECEDENT FOR THESE TO BE ABLE TO HOLD DUPLEXES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I CAME HERE TODAY WITH A MINDSET OF JUST TRYING TO GET BEFORE YOU THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE DECISIONS, AS WELL AS LISTEN TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, TO SEE WHAT ROUTE WOULD BE BEST SERVED IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITY OR PLANNING COMMISSION ISN'T WILLING TO ENTERTAIN, THEN I'LL JUST BACK OUT OF THE DEAL. THIS

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I MEAN, I'M BORN AND RAISED HERE, SO I'VE RIDDEN MY BIKE BY THOSE TWO LOTS SINCE I WAS A LITTLE KID. AND I AGREE WITH LARRY. I THINK IN FITTING IN THE AREA, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE LOTS, THEY'RE NARROW LOTS, THEY'RE USUALLY 50 FOOT WIDE AND IT'S USUALLY A HOME. THE GARAGE

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AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO JUST I THINK SUPPLY AND DEMAND. WE, WE DO NEED SOMEHOW TO ALLOW MORE HOUSING AND RENTALS. SO I DON'T AGAIN I THINK FIVE IS TOO MANY. I COULD BE OPEN TO FOUR IF IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS. WITH THE CITY AND PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T WANT ON STREET PARKING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A SOLUTION. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD WORK, BUT I WOULD BE OPEN TO LOOKING AT IT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SO WITH WITH FOUR UNITS, HAVE YOU DONE THE STUDY OF WHAT THE COST WOULD BE FOR A RENT ON FOR FOUR UNITS? SHE PRETTY MUCH NAILED IT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $2,300 FOR A THREE BEDROOM. IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THE MORE THE MORE THAT WE HAVE THEN THEN IT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE PRICES DOWN. BUT IT'S JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A LACK OF INVENTORY. IT'S DRIVING THE PRICES UP. AND I'M SEEING IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I'M NOT ADVOCATING EITHER WAY. I'M JUST KIND OF SAYING TO THE POINT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, COMPLETELY AGREE 2300 A MONTH IS A LOT. I ALSO BUILT A HOME HERE IN GROVE CITY AND A REINVESTMENT AREA, AND I RENTED IT FOR 2300 AND MY EMAIL AND MY PHONE BLEW UP FOR 48 HOURS STRAIGHT. AND EVERYBODY TOLD ME I ASKED NOT ENOUGH. I AM FROM THE MINDSET OF I WANT TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'S A HIGH. THERE'S A HIGH DEMAND FOR IT. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY OF COLUMBUS, EVERY HOME BUILDER WHICH I'VE WORKED FOR TELLS YOU WE HAVE SUCH A HOUSING SHORTAGE AND RENTALS ARE GOING THROUGH THE ROOF BECAUSE RATES, AS RATES GO UP, YOU NEED MORE RENTALS. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO CREATE THAT. I WANT TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT AGAIN, TO HER POINT, THE NUMBERS FROM LAND PERSPECTIVES DON'T MAKE SENSE. SO. I HAD ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE CURRENT D1 ZONING. HOW DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LIMIT? THIS LARGER COMBINED LOT TO WITH? IT'S JUST IT'S EXACT CURRENT ZONING RIGHT NOW. SO WITH THE CURRENT D1 THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED MEETING ALL SETBACK STANDARDS AND CODE TO BUILD A DUPLEX. SO ESSENTIALLY ONE UNIT, TWO ONE STRUCTURE WITH TWO SEPARATE SEPARATE UNITS. AND THEN THERE'S SOME GARAGE REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS, ONE COVERED SPACE AND ONE DRIVEWAY SPACE PER UNIT PER UNIT. YES.

AND CURRENTLY EVERYTHING'S COMBINED IN ONE LOT. CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I WILL, I'LL BE GOOD. OKAY. PLEASE, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. SO WHEN YOU STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. YES, PLEASE. WELL, WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WALK YOU THROUGH IT. WELCOME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S DESIRE TO HAVE MORE HOUSING. MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M SORRY.

BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, I'M PEGGY KENDRICK. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? OH, IT'S PEGGY KENDRICK, 3398. BRUCE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SORRY. I ASKED MY DAUGHTER IF I SAID IF I GET THROWN IN JAIL, WILL YOU COME BAIL ME OUT? BUT I AM VERY UPSET BY THE FACT THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BECAUSE HE'S PAYING A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT LOT. BUT THE FACT THAT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND TO PUT A MONSTROSITY LIKE THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET, IS WRONG. WE ARE JUST NOW GETTING CHILDREN, MOVING BACK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BONNIE, THERE'S ONLY PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET. IT WOULD

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THEY DON'T LIVE IN OHIO ANYMORE. BUT I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT IS WHEN YOU YOU'RE YOUNG AND YOU WANT TO FIND A PLACE YOU CAN AFFORD. BUT PUTTING SOMETHING THAT LARGE IS WRONG. THERE'S A NICE DOUBLE OVER BY THE SENIOR CENTER. SOMETHING OF THAT QUALITY WOULD BE NICE. IT'S GOT STONE ON THE FRONT, BUT IF YOU PUT SOMETHING CHEAPLY MADE IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE OUR PROPERTY VALUES DOWN TOO. SO I TOTALLY OBJECT TO IT AS IT STANDS. AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M A ROOKIE AT THIS. I'M NOT USED TO PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT IT'S JUST WRONG ON SO MANY COUNTS. LIKE ACROSS THE STREET THEY BUILT, THERE WAS AN OLDER HOME THERE THAT THEY TORE DOWN ON KINGSTON AVENUE. THEY BUILT A BEAUTIFUL SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THAT, AND THAT'S A HUGE LOT. SO WHY COULDN'T THAT BE DONE? LIKE MR. TITUS SAID, WHY COULDN'T THAT BE DONE ON THAT LOT? YOU KNOW, IF YOU REALLY WANT SOMETHING, YOU'LL FIND A WAY TO DO IT. SO SORRY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I THINK I DO, KERRY CRAWFORD. I OWN A HOUSE ON WOODLAWN AVENUE, AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT UP AGAINST THE ALLEY. WE'RE MORE. AND IS THAT. CAN YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? THREE. 384 WOODLAWN AVENUE. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. WE'RE NOT AGAINST BUILDING ANYTHING HERE. WE'D LOVE TO SEE HOUSES THERE.

MAYBE. MAYBE TWO. I EVEN SAID TWO. I THINK IT'S THE IDEA OF THE DUPLEX AND THEM BEING RENTALS AND NOT KNOWING THE COMINGS AND GOINGS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS AND WHAT'S GOING ON. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE COST OF RENT, AND WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT. BUT WE WANT TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE DO NOW. IT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE WANT TO LEAVE IT THAT WAY.

I'M SURE TWO HOUSES THERE WOULD BE AMAZING, AND WE'D LOVE TO GET TO MEET THE PEOPLE. AND I SIGNED THE FIRST PETITION 25 YEARS AGO OR 30 YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS TO BUILD THOSE APARTMENTS BACK THERE. AND I HAD HOPED THAT WITHIN THAT 25 YEARS, SOMETHING ELSE WOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT AND IT WASN'T. AND WE GOT LAZY. AND I LOVED IT BECAUSE I SIT IN MY BACKYARD AND I SEE MY NEIGHBORS HOMES. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE BACK OF APARTMENTS AND NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE ON WOODLAWN IN THAT ALLEY ON BONNIE AND BRUCE. AND WE'VE TALKED TO ALL THESE PEOPLE. THEY'RE VERY UPSET ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE LIKE LIVING IN GROVE CITY. THE IDEA OF GROVE CITY IS A COMMUNITY, NOT A RENTAL PLACE TO BE COMING AND GOING. YOU'VE GOT THAT ON STRINGTOWN, AND THAT'S A GREAT I LOVE HAVING STRINGTOWN. ON STRINGTOWN. I CAN GO THERE. THE APARTMENTS ARE OUT OF THIS WORLD ON PRICES, I PRICE THEM, I LOOK, I SEE WHAT GROVE CITY IS DOING. I GO TO MIAMI A LOT. I KNOW THE PRICES. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE NOT THAT FAR FROM MIAMI'S PRICES ON APARTMENTS. I WAS SHOCKED. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S HOW THE COMMUNITY THAT COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE OUR OF THIS FEEL.

THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY UPSET. I'M VERY UPSET. I'M PUTTING A GARDEN IN AND I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T WANT TO SIT IN THAT GARDEN AND LOOK AT SOMEONE'S GARAGE. I MEAN, A DUPLEX GARAGE LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S HOW WE ALL FEEL. AND I HOPE YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COULD I KIND OF ANSWER SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? SURE. SO FIRST OF ALL, I THINK SHE MENTIONED THE DUPLEX THAT'S DOWN BY THE SENIOR CENTER. I'M VERY OPEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK IT'S A TERRIFIC FLOOR PLAN. I CAN TELL YOU MY BUILDING EXPERIENCE AND THE WAY I BUILD HOMES WILL BE A NOTCH ABOVE THE ONE THAT YOU SEE THERE. THE MATERIALS I USE, I WILL NOT SKIMP. I'M A CUSTOM HOME BUILDER BY TRADE. MY GOAL IS TO PROVIDE YOU GUYS WITH GOOD NEIGHBORS. I THINK WHEN YOU BUILD THE RANCH STYLE IN THE AREA YOU'RE IN WITH ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OLDER PEOPLE, IF I DID A RANCH, YOU'RE GOING TO ATTRACT AN OLDER RENTER WHO TYPICALLY STAYS LONGER. THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE GROVE CITY COMMUNITY CENTER AND WALKING DISTANCE TO THEM IN DOWNTOWN. AND IN REGARDS TO THE TWO STORY THAT I WOULD PROPOSE NEXT DOOR, OUR GOAL IS TO DEVELOP IT AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, WHICH IS ATTAINABLE. AND THE GARAGE WOULD LOOK THE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING NOW. SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS ARE WELL FELT. I MEAN, LIKE I SAID TO HIS POINT, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE

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SO I JUST I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU GUYS. IS IT SOMETHING TO WHERE YOU GO BACK AND REVISIT THIS OR THERE ARE OPTIONS FOR HOW THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE TO PROCEED? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PLANNING COMMISSION IS JUST A RECOMMENDING BODY TO COUNCIL. CORRECT. SO EVEN IF THIS APPLICATION WERE TO BE DENIED BY CITY COUNCIL, ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT STILL HAS THE OPTION TO PROCEED BASED ON THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO COME BACK WITH THE ZONING APPLICATION AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR TO REVIEW.

AGAIN. I'M JUST KIND OF LIKE START OVER, RECONFIGURE, KIND OF BASED UPON THIS MEETING. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING CORRECT? OKAY. I GUESS TO THAT POINT, I MEAN, I, I WOULD MIND I LIKE I SAID, I KNEW THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS A SHOT IN THE DARK, BUT AS A DEVELOPER, YOU'RE GOING TO ASK FOR EVERYTHING, RIGHT? I GUESS WHEN I LEAVE HERE, I GUESS MY KIND OF TO YOUR POINT OF LIKE SOME GUIDANCE ON. IS THERE ANY THOUGHT OF SUPPORT FOR REZONING OR A PUD? LIKE I SAID, IT COMES WITH THE INTENTION OF I DON'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM HERE BECAUSE I HAVE THE OPTION TO BACK OUT AND THE LOT WILL CONTINUE TO SIT AND IT WILL PROBABLY GO BACK FOR SALE. BUT WITH THE PRICES THE WAY THEY CURRENTLY ARE, SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT ATTAINABLE. IF IT WAS, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW, I'D BE THE FIRST PERSON TO BUY THE LOT AND BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND PUT PEOPLE IN NEXT TO IT. I WOULD PREFER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, IT'S JUST NOT ATTAINABLE.

AT THE PRICES. WHEN YOU'RE AT $90,000 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN DOWNTOWN GROVE CITY. IF I PAY 90,000 FOR A LOT, I COULD PUT A SINGLE FAMILY ON THERE AND IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE JUNK BECAUSE I HAVE TO USE CHEAPER MATERIALS. I HAVE TO BUILD IT TO WAY TO MAXIMIZE AND MAKE MONEY. I CAN'T GO IN THERE AND LOSE MONEY. IF YOU BUILD SINGLE FAMILIES. I'M JUST BEING HONEST. I HAVE ONE IN GROVE CITY. IT'S IN THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT PROGRAM. I'M NOT GOING TO SELL A SINGLE FAMILY IN A COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT AREA, BECAUSE THEN I LOSE THE TAX IMPLICATION AND THE SAVINGS FOR 15 YEARS. I'LL RENT IT FOR 15 YEARS, AND I'LL SELL IT AT THE 15 YEAR MARK. SO I LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, WE OPEN THESE REINVESTMENT AREAS, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO REINVEST IN THEM OR THEY'RE NOT SERVING THEIR PURPOSE. THEY'RE BASICALLY BEING LEFT FLAT ON THEIR FACE AND NOT CREATING HOUSING, WHICH IS THE INTENT OF THE REINVESTMENT AREAS. I DISAGREE THE REINVESTMENT TO ME IS FOR FOLKS TO COME IN AND INVEST IN A PROPERTY THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN. THAT'S WHAT I DID, AND WE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO DOING THAT. AND WE'VE GOT THE BENEFITS OF IT NOT FOR REALTORS, NOT FOR DEVELOPERS TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF. THAT WASN'T THE REASON YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING THAT. SO IF SOMEONE WOULD BUY THAT LOT FOR $190,000 OR WHATEVER IT IS, OR MAYBE THE PERSON AFTER IT SITS FOR THREE YEARS WILL REEVALUATE THAT, MAYBE THEY'RE CHARGING TOO MUCH A SUPPLY AND DEMAND THING, BUT IT'D BE MUCH BETTER IF SOMEBODY WOULD BUY THE LOT, BUILD A HOUSE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE AND BE PART OF A COMMUNITY RATHER THAN LOOKING AT IT AS A WAY TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THESE ARE THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE HEADED WITH THESE DUPLEXES. ALL ALL THE PEOPLE ARE WORRYING ABOUT IS THAT THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT OFF OF IT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE REINVESTMENT IS MORE FOR PEOPLE TO INVEST BACK INTO THEIR PROPERTIES AND LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. SO TO THAT POINT, IF THAT WAS BOUGHT AS A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY BY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A BUILDER AND HAS TO HIRE A BUILDER, THEY CANNOT MAKE MONEY. THEY'RE NOT MAKING MONEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK EVEN OR OVERPAY FOR A HOUSE THAT'S A YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S THE THAT'S IDEAL, BUT IT'S NOT REALISTIC INVESTORS. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY GO BUY THAT LOT AND HAVE TO HIRE A BUILDER, WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO BECAUSE THE BANK WILL NOT APPROVE SOMEONE TO BUILD THEIR OWN HOME, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE MONEY. WELL, I DISAGREE, IF YOU GO UP ON PARK STREET AND GRANT STREET, THERE'S A MULTIPLE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT ON THOSE LOTS, AND THOSE LOTS WERE JUST AS EXPENSIVE

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YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY? SEEING NONE. THE MEETING'S ADJOURNED

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