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          YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S A MEETING. AT GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. MAY I HAVE THE CLERK 
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CALL THE ROLL? MISS KELLY, MR. BURROWS HERE. ANDERSON. HERE. WILSON. HERE. HOUK. HERE. HOLT, HERE. HARRY. HERE. YOU HERE. AND WELCOME, EVERYONE. AS YOU KNOW, WE DISPENSE WITH THE FORMALITIES OF A TRADITIONAL COUNCIL MEETING AND JUMP RIGHT INTO THE EVENING'S PROCEEDINGS. AND YOU ARE HERE THIS EVENING FOR A PARKS SPECIAL MEETING, AND I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO MR. BERRY HERE ON OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT HOUK. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE THE MAYOR, PLEASE. OH, SECOND. ANDERSON. 
          YES. WILSON. YES. YES. YES. MARY. YES. YES. YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT. OH, EXCELLENT. 
          [Discussion on Community Center]
SO, JACK, ARE YOU READY? THERE YOU ARE. JUMPING RIGHT INTO IT. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. SO TODAY I'M REALLY EXCITED AND GRATEFUL TO BE HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. AND IN DEFINING THAT PATH FORWARD FOR GROVE CITY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER STEP FORWARD TODAY. AS WE GET INTO THIS, JUST WANTED TO SORT OF OUTLINE THE PURPOSE. 
          OVERALL PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS TO UPGRADE, UPDATE EVERYBODY ON THE PROGRESS, AND OUTLINE THREE POTENTIAL OPTIONS OR PATHS FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO RECAP THOSE. THE OUTCOME THAT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR OR THE OUTCOME NEEDED, IS I JUST WANT TO BUILD STAKEHOLDER CONSENSUS ON A DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN START TO MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY. AND WHEN I SAY STAKEHOLDERS, YOU KNOW, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, EVEN OUR TOWNSHIP. THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER FOR ALL OF US. SO I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS INDICATED THAT THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS, AND HE'S REACHING OUT TO TRUSTEES TO SET UP A MEETING TO BRING THEM UP TO DATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, CITY LEADERSHIP, PARKS AND RECREATION. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ARE OUR PARK BOARD. OUR PARK BOARD. WHO I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE HERE TONIGHT. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING AND TAKING THE LEAD FOR THE CITY FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, WORKING WITH PROS CONSULTING. TO MOVE US FORWARD. SO I PUT THEIR NAMES UP HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PARK BOARD MEMBERS. I WOULD ASK THAT THEY STAND JUST TO GET RECOGNIZED AND ACKNOWLEDGE REAL QUICKLY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND ALONG. WE HAD A COUPLE THAT COULDN'T BE HERE. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR. THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND PROS CONSULTING TO DELIVER A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT THAT, AS YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DELIVERED IN NOVEMBER. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND JUST QUICKLY RECAP THE PROCESS. AS WE SAID IN NOVEMBER, PROS CONSULTING DELIVERED THEIR FEASIBILITY STUDY TO COUNCIL. THEY LAID OUT THE PRIORITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED. THEY LAID OUT THE AMENITIES THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED, AND THEY LAID OUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. AT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AT THAT PRESENTATION, CITY COUNCIL SORT OF SETTLED ON A DIRECTION OF GOING WITH THE BIGGER COMMUNITY CENTER. AND ONE SITE, CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS SORT OF THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE. WE EVEN STOPPED LOOKING AT PRO FORMAS FOR SMALLER OR PARTNERSHIPS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. WE JUST STOPPED ALL THOSE PROCESSES. BUT SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE YMCA WITH AN INTRIGUING PROPOSAL OF HOW WE COULD PARTNER TOGETHER AND EXPAND THE CURRENT Y AND BUILD ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED AT FRIAR PARK. SO WE THAT MEETING TOOK PLACE ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO. IT WASN'T A FULL COUNCIL MEETING OR A FULL PARK BOARD MEETING. ONLY SELECT MEMBERS. LISTENED TO THAT. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S GOOD THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING TO RECAP EVERYTHING NOW. AND SO WE CAN SORT OF HAVE HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT DIRECTION, WHERE TO GO. SO AS I SAID, THERE'S THREE PATHS. ONE IS WHAT I'M CALLING TONIGHT WILL BE A CENTRAL HUB. THIS IS WHAT PROS CONSULTING MADE THE RECOMMENDATION ON. IT'S A CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED FACILITY WITH ALL THE AMENITIES AQUATICS, ATHLETIC, WELLNESS, EVERYTHING ALL IN ONE SITE THAT WOULD TAKE A LARGE PIECE OF LAND, 20 TO 25 ACRES, PLUS LAND. A SECOND PATH IS MULTI-SITE. FACILITIES. MUCH 
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SMALLER FACILITIES, BUT TARGETED SO THEY MIGHT BE 40 TO 45,000FT■!S, BUT HAVE ONLY TARGETED AMENITIES WITHIN EACH SITE. SO ONE MIGHT BE AQUATICS, BUT YOU CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING IN THAT 45,000 SQUARE FOOT, SO YOU WOULD NEED THREE TOTAL BUILDINGS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AS PROS OUTLINED WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE. SO AND THEN LASTLY IS THIS HYBRID OPTION THAT LOOKS AT EXPANDING THE YMCA AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND BUILDING NEXT TO IT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE PATHS THAT WE WANT TO SORT OF TALK ABOUT TODAY. AND AS I GO THROUGH THIS, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT CAPITAL COSTS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OPERATING COSTS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS AS A BIG PICTURE. BUT THERE'S KEY QUESTIONS AND TOPICS THAT I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER AS I QUICKLY GO THROUGH THESE. AND THOSE WOULD BE OUR COMMUNITY PRIORITY PRIORITIES. SO ARE WE MEETING ALL THOSE PRIORITIES THAT PROS CONSULTING LAID OUT FOR US WITH EACH ONE OF THESE OPTIONS. THAT'S THAT'S KEY. BECAUSE THAT'S THEY'VE TOLD US WHAT THEY WANTED. AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO TRY AND DELIVER THAT. ANOTHER ONE IS OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, AS A CITY OWN AND OPERATE THESE THESE AMENITIES AND THESE FACILITIES ON OUR OWN AND DIRECT THAT? SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT IS THE CAPITAL. WHAT IS THE OPERATING COST. WHAT WOULD THESE FACILITIES BE SUBSIDIZED OR WOULD THEY PAY FOR THEMSELVES. SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER AS WE GO THROUGH THIS. AND THEN FUTURE PROOFING. WE DON'T WANT TO BE BACK HERE IN THREE YEARS SAYING, HEY, WE NEED TO EXPAND OR WE NEED TO ADD MORE. SO WHAT WHAT CAN WE LOOK AT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE FACILITIES? ARE THEY ABLE TO EXPAND? I THINK WESTERVILLE HAS BEEN THROUGH 2 OR 3 EXPANSIONS ALREADY FROM THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY BUILT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. WHERE ARE WE BUILDING THIS, THESE SITES, CAN THEY BE EXPANDABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS IN THE FUTURE? SO WE'LL FIRST START WITH TAKING A LOOK AT BIG PICTURE CAPITAL COSTS. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AND ASK. OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE QUESTION TIME AT THE END. SO THE FIRST THING TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT THERE MAY BE LAND ACQUISITIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE MADE FOR SOME OF THESE SITUATIONS. THE HYBRID MODEL IS GOT ITS LOCATION AT FRIAR PARK, SO WE DON'T NEED TO PURCHASE LAND THERE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SITE LOCATION FOR EITHER ONE OF THE TWO OTHER PATHS ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO A GOOD NUMBER TO LOOK AT IS ABOUT $150,000 AN ACRE. SO IF WE'RE IF WE'RE DOING THOSE, THE 20 ACRES OF LAND THAT WE HAVE TO PURCHASE AND BUY. SO WITH 150,000, WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST UNDER $4 MILLION. SO WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE THAT, THAT BETWEEN THAT FOUR AND $5 MILLION RANGE IS WHAT WE WOULD NEED IF WE NEED TO PURCHASE LAND. AND THEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THIS IS SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER. SO WE WANT TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES. SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT, WE'RE USING A FIGURE OF $650 PER SQUARE FOOT. THIS IS IN LINE WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SEVERAL CONSULTANTS OF WHAT WE COULD PROJECT TODAY. BUT WHEN WE ACTUALLY GO TO SIT DOWN AND BUILD THIS FACILITY, IF IT'S 4 OR 5 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT THIS IS A GOOD COMPARISON FOR TODAY. $650 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS SCREEN. THE CENTRAL HUB, WHICH IS THE ONE SITE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, IS ABOUT A PROJECTED AT ABOUT 120,000FT■!S. USING OUR OUR NUMBER OF $650, WE'RE LOOKING AT $78 MILLION TO BUILD THAT TODAY. THOSE ARE ALL IN COST HARD AND SOFT COSTS. THERE IS SOME UNKNOWN IN THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SITE IS YET. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME INCREASED COST IN THAT IN IN BRINGING LOGISTICS TO THAT SITE. AND THEN THE MULTI SITE. NOW THIS MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE ODD THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT THERE'S LOGIC TO THIS. SO WE CAN'T JUST TAKE THREE BUILDINGS. WE NEED THREE BUILDINGS TARGETED FACILITIES TO MEET ALL THE COMMUNITY NEEDS AND PRIORITIES. BUT WE THERE'S GOING TO BE DUPLICATION OF SOME SERVICES COMPARED TO THAT CENTRAL HUB. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU WALK INTO A CENTRAL HUB. YOU HAVE ONE MAJOR COMMON AREA, ONE MAJOR DESK, FRONT DESK THAT YOU GO THROUGH AND ONE MAJOR MECHANICAL ROOM. YOU'RE GOING TO DUPLICATE ALL THOSE SPACES IN A SMALLER TYPE FACILITY. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE MECHANICAL ROOMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE OF THOSE FRONT DESK AREAS AND SO FORTH. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DUPLICATION. SO FOR PURPOSES OF THIS WE LOOKED AT 45,000 
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SQUARE FOOT FACILITIES TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT EXTRA SPACE. SO THAT BRINGS US TO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBER AND UPFRONT CAPITAL COST FOR THREE SITES. OF 87,850,000. AGAIN THERE MIGHT BE LAND ACQUISITION NEEDS IN BOTH OF THESE SCENARIOS. THE HYBRID MODEL IS THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE Y. AND THIS NUMBER MIGHT JUMP OUT AT YOU AS A REALLY LOW. BUT YOU REMEMBER THAT CURRENTLY THE YMCA IS ALREADY 38,000FT■!S AND THAT'S ALREADY THERE. SO WE'VE TALKED AT A HIGH LEVEL. NO SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT, HEY, WHAT IF WE'RE IF WE PUT A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY THERE NEXT TO IT AND WE HELP THE Y EXPAND AN ADDITIONAL 20,000? THOSE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE AS TIME GOES ON AND WE START TO WORK OUT WHAT THOSE AMENITIES GO INTO THOSE FACILITIES. BUT THAT BRINGS ABOUT A 60,000 SQUARE FOOT ADDITIONAL EXPANSION TO THAT SITE. AND THAT WOULD COME IN RIGHT AROUND 42 MILLION. ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? THANK YOU. 
          JACK, DID YOU SAY THE Y WOULD BUILD 20,000 ADDITIONAL. SO THE SO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW IN PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS IS THAT THE Y NEEDS TO EXPAND THEIR WELLNESS SPACE. SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IT WOULD THERE WOULD BE AN EXPANSION. THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE IN PARKING LOT. THEY WOULD LOOK AT COVERING THE POOL AND DOING SOME DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE OUTDOOR POOL THAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. SO JUST TO CLARIFY. SO WE WOULD IN THAT SCENARIO, WE WOULD ADD 40,000FT■!S AND THEY WOULD ADD 20,000FT■!S. THEY WOUD ADD 20,000 TO THEIR ALREADY EXISTING 38. AND WE WOULD ADD 40. CORRECT. OKAY. I JUST WANT I WAS JUST TRYING TO AND AGAIN THAT CAN ALL CHANGE. THIS WAS JUST A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, TO GET THIS DISCUSSION GOING. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS JEFF. YES. THANK YOU. PLEASE JUST ASK. THANK YOU. SO FOR THE HYBRID VERSION WITH THIS COST ESTIMATED OF 42 MILLION, AND YOU SAID THE Y WOULD ADD THE 20,000FT■!S AND THE CITY WOULD BUILD THE ADDITIONAL. BUT THE 42 MILLION COVERS ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? IT COVERS THE 20,000FT■!S THAT THE Y WOULD NEED TO EXPAND FOR. THEY'RE USING THAT $650 PER SQUARE FOOT NUMBER, OKAY. TO MULTIPLY AND COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE WEREN'T ADDITIONAL DOLLARS BEING FUNDED AT THAT POINT FOR CAPITAL COSTS. 
          CORRECT. THANK YOU. YEAH. SO FOR POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS EXPANSION PROBABLY WOULD AFFECT THAT PLAYGROUND THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY. AND SO THAT MIGHT HAVE TO THERE MIGHT BE SOME ADDITIONAL CAPITAL DOLLARS THERE INVOLVED IN EITHER RELOCATING OR RENOVATING THAT SPACE. OKAY. SO I GUESS HOW CAN WE SAY THAT THIS ESTIMATE OF 42 MILLION GETS US TO THE COMPARABLE OF WHAT WE'D SPEND AT 78 MILLION? AND I'M JUST THINKING OF ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WOULD BE SOME OF THE POOL INCREASES, OR WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT WOULD, WOULD CHANGE OVER WITH ON THE SIDE FOR THE Y. BUT HOW? I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT A VERY COMPARABLE APPLES TO APPLES OF AMENITIES THAT WE'D SEE IN A CENTRAL HUB WITHIN THAT HUNDRED AND 25,000 SQUARE FOOT VERSUS THIS HYBRID? SO THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. SO I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THAT AS BEST AS I CAN. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE JUST TALKED BIG PICTURE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION. SO OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CENTRAL HUB THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BRING IN EVERY SINGLE AMENITY AND PRIORITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED. IF WE WERE BUILDING A WITH THE YMCA AND WE'RE ONLY BUILDING A 40,000 TO 45,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, IT'S GOING TO BE A TARGETED FACILITY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BRING IN ALL THOSE AMENITIES THAT THAT OUR COMMUNITY SUGGESTS THEY WANTED. HOWEVER, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE Y, THERE WOULD BE A COMBINATION WHERE WE WOULD MIGHT BE BRINGING IN, SAY, OUR GYMS AND WALKING TRACK AND THE YMCA MIGHT BE FOCUSED ON IMPROVING AND EXPANDING THAT WELLNESS SPACE WITH WEIGHTS, CARDIO ROOM AND FITNESS AREAS. AND ALONG WITH THE INTENT WAS BE TO COVER AND ENCLOSE THEIR OUTDOOR POOL SO THAT YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TWO BODIES OF WATER. ONE COULD BE COMPETITION AND LAP SWIMMING, AND ONE COULD BE LEISURE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AND I WILL MAKE SURE I AM CORRECT. BUT SO WE'RE TALKING THAT THE HYBRID MODEL WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 98,000FT■!S, COUNTING THEIR INCLUDING THEIR 38, 38, 40, 20, 98 COMES TO 98. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS ABSOLUTELY. SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT CAPITAL, 
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THAT WOULD LEAD US TO TAKE A BIG PICTURE, LOOK AT OPERATING COSTS. SO SOME THINGS THAT FLUCTUATE IN OPERATING COSTS THAT NEED TO BE PAID, PAID ATTENTION TO ARE STAFFING AND MAINTENANCE. THOSE CAN LOOK QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT IN EACH MODEL THAT WE PRESENTED. AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND. SO THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR OVERALL REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES AND YOUR COST RECOVERY. AND SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THESE ABOUT A COST RECOVERY MODEL. SO WE CAN SET A PHILOSOPHY OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH OUR COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR GROVE CITY. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ABOUT THAT HERE TODAY. BUT PROS CONSULTING DID A PRESENTATION AND OUTLAID IT FOR US. AND SO THE MODEL THAT THEY PUT OUT THERE WOULD HAD US BETWEEN. AND I HAVE THE SHEET HERE 80% I THINK IT ACTUALLY STARTED AT 82% AND WENT OVER TO 100 PLUS PERCENT, 107% AND EVERYTHING, WHICH SORT OF DICTATES THAT OR SHOWS THAT THE FACILITY IS GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF IF IT'S OVER 100% COST RECOVERY. SO I WANT TO MANAGE EXPECTATIONS WITH THAT TODAY AND GIVE A GROVE CITY UPDATE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY PROBABLY BE NOT. 
          PROBABLY WE WOULD BE IF WE WERE APPROACHING THIS, BE WITHIN THAT 70 TO 80% COST RECOVERY RANGE. 
          AND WE WOULD WANT TO BE IN THAT RANGE. AND THERE'S SPECIFIC REASONS WHY PROSE CONSULTING WAS BASED ON LEAN MANAGEMENT FIRST AND FOREMOST. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN FROM 6 A.M. TO MAYBE EVEN 5 A.M. IN SOME CASES TO 10 P.M, 16 17 HOURS A DAY, 6 OR 7 DAYS A WEEK. THEY HAD FIVE FULL TIME PROFESSIONALS THAT WERE MANAGING THAT FACILITY. THAT IS LEAN MANAGEMENT. THEY HAD ZERO FULL TIME PROFESSIONALS WORKING WITH THE AQUATICS SECTION, SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE WOULD APPROACH IT IN THE SAME MANNER. AS I PREPARED FOR THIS MEETING AND PREPARED FOR OUR NEXT STEPS, I LOOKED AT 12 FULL TIME PROFESSIONALS, WHICH REALLY MANAGES YOUR YOUR EXPENSES, OBVIOUSLY, AND CHANGES THAT OVERALL COST RECOVERY. ANOTHER THING THAT REALLY AFFECTS THE COST RECOVERY IS YOUR OVERALL PURPOSE. SO YOU WILL RECALL IN THE PROS CONSULTING THEY INITIALLY AND INTENTIONALLY DID SOME THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH TOURNAMENTS, SWIM MEETS TO INCREASE REVENUES. AND SO THE MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS YOU DO, THEY ALSO HAD HIGHER MEMBERSHIP FEES. SO THE MORE OF THOSE THINGS YOU DO, THE BETTER YOUR COST RECOVERY POLICY IS GOING TO LOOK, AND YOU CAN GET UP TO THOSE 90 PERCENTILES AND 100 PERCENTILES IF YOU'RE DOING THAT KIND OF WORK. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR OVERALL PURPOSE HERE IN GROVE CITY WOULD BE. I THINK THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR A BALANCED APPROACH AND LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TOURNAMENTS OR SWIM MEETS THAT COME IN AND, AND KEEP THOSE MEMBERSHIP FEES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND BE OPEN TO ALL. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD LOWER OUR OVERALL COST RECOVERY DOWN INTO A MANAGEABLE SPACE OF 70 TO 80%. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THAT FIRST YEAR, WE WOULD NOT BE AT ANY PROJECTED COST RECOVERY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE AT FULL MEMBERSHIP RATES OR WHATEVER YOU DO IN THAT FIRST YEAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FULL SCHEDULE. IT'S GOING TO GROW INTO THAT. IN ADDITION, THAT FIRST YEAR, KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING ON FULL TIME STAFF WELL IN ADVANCE. SO WE'RE TALKING 7 TO 9 MONTHS OF WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO PROJECT TO BE OPENING BECAUSE THEY GOT TO GET SCHEDULES SET, GET PROGRAMING READY AND START MANAGING THE PROGRAM AND MARKETING THE PROGRAM. IN ADDITION, PART TIME STAFF WILL COME ON. SOME PART TIME STAFF, I ASSUME WOULD COME ON ABOUT 60 DAYS OUT. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD BE ABOUT 30 DAYS OUT, SO THAT THEY CAN GET TRAINED AND READY TO OPEN AND PROVIDE HIGH QUALITY SERVICE AT THE FACILITY FOR DAY ONE ONCE WE OPEN. SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS IN THAT FIRST YEAR THAT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AND NOTE CHECK. ONE THING THAT, AND I SUPPOSE THIS IS DIFFERENT, AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. IT'S ONE OF THOSE WONDERFUL TIMES. SO I WAS TALKING TO NOW GRANTED THE OSU ATHLETIC FACILITIES A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THIS AND THIS IN THE SIZE THEY HAVE PER SHIFT, 32 PEOPLE THAT THEY'VE GOT ON STAFF THAT GOES FROM THE AQUATIC CENTER, WHICH THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE LIFEGUARDS AND EVERYTHING TO PEOPLE IN THE IN THE LOCKER ROOMS CLEANING CONSTANTLY AND DISINFECTING, PEOPLE RUNNING PROGRAMS, PEOPLE RUNNING THE FRONT DESK, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS. AND I AND 
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I JUST WONDER WHEN YOU SAY ONLY 12 PEOPLE. I MEAN, HECK, WITH LIFEGUARDS, YOU COULD HAVE YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING LIKE TONIGHT WHEN I GO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. YOU'RE LOOKING AT EIGHT LIFEGUARDS PER SHIFT. SO I MEAN, THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE 12 PEOPLE I TALKED ABOUT WERE FULL TIME STAFF PART TIME. THERE WOULD BE A HEAVY A LOT OF NUMBERS OF PART TIME STAFF. I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE WOULD BE A LOT. YES, YOU WOULD NEED A LOT OF LIFEGUARDS, FRONT DESK STAFF, PROBABLY 2 OR 3 FRONT DESK STAFF AT ALL TIMES. WHENEVER YOU'RE OPEN. SO THERE WOULD BE A NUMBER OF PART TIME STAFF ON DUTY AT EVERY HOUR. BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAID 12, I THOUGHT, THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO RUN THIS THING ON 12 PEOPLE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE 12 FULL TIME STAFF THAT WOULD MANAGE THE PART TIME STAFF. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PART TIME STAFF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IF THE CITY RUNS IT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE Y, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE GOING TO NEED? AND SO BECAUSE THAT RUNS INTO THE MODEL AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. 
          AND SO WITHOUT JUMPING INTO EXTREME DETAILS OF HOURS AND WHAT PROGRAMS ARE GOING ON AT THAT TIME, WE CAN LOOK AT OPERATING COST TARGETS. AND SO WE CAN WE KNOW THAT A HIGH PERFORMING WITH PREMIUM PROGRAMING, HIGH MEMBERSHIPS, THAT YOU CAN BE AT THAT 90% PLUS COST RECOVERY TARGET. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT A MIDPOINT BALANCED, MORE BALANCED APPROACH, WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THAT 70 TO 80%. AND THAT IS STILL HAVING MEMBERSHIPS, BUT MAYBE LOWER MEMBERSHIP FEES IN THAT MODEL. AND THEN A HEAVY, HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED MODEL WOULD BE ONE OF NO MEMBERSHIPS JUST PROGRAMING. AND SO WE WOULD EXPECT THAT MODEL TO BE BASED ON YOUR COST RECOVERY FOR THE PROGRAMS YOU'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING. SO OVERALL, IT WOULD BE IN THAT RANGE OF 25 TO 50%. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF WE RUN AN ADULT BASKETBALL PROGRAM, WE'RE RUNNING THAT CLOSE TO 100%, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN 100%. BUT IF WE'RE RUNNING A YOUTH BASKETBALL PROGRAM, WE'RE RUNNING THAT ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 50% OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY COSTS US TO RUN IT. SO WE'RE WE'RE CHARGING LOWER FEES FOR PARTICIPANTS RATHER THAN CHARGING AT THAT 100% RATE. SAME THING WITH SENIORS. THAT WOULD BE A MUCH LOWER RATE. WE WOULDN'T BE AT 100% COST FOR COST RECOVERY. WE'D BE IN THAT 25 TO 50% RANGE. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, GROVE CITY PARKS AND REC OFFICE IN 2024 WAS AT A 38% COST RECOVERY. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE MEMBERSHIP FEES RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST PROGRAM BASED. WE'RE FEE BASED PROGRAMS. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WHERE WE FALL IN 2024. SO WE STARTED OFF BY LOOKING AT KEY QUESTIONS AND TOPICS TO CONSIDER. AND SO THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FACILITATE SOME DISCUSSION HERE. ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. TALK ABOUT THESE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO. SO I THOUGHT I'D LEAVE THIS SPACE HERE SO THAT WE CAN THANK PROCESS. SO I'LL START OFF, JACK. SO DO ANY I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WITH THIS TYPE OF INVESTMENT, THERE'S GOING TO BE AND I MIGHT WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT IT OUT THERE. THERE WILL BE A TAX INCREASE OF SOME TYPE BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN AFFORD A, A CENTRAL FACILITY AT WHICH COULD BE $120 MILLION. SO THEN MY NEXT QUESTION IS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS, OR MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT STATEMENT IS IN THE SITUATION OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE HAVING AN INCREASED TAX. ALL RIGHT. ARE THEY HOW DO THEY DO FEES THEN? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME IS THERE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO INCREASE YOUR TAX. SO NOW YOU CAN GO TO THE FACILITY FOR FREE OR, OR ALL THE OR ALL THESE, WHETHER IT'S OF COURSE THE Y CHARGES. BUT IS THERE ANY OF THE CITIES THAT ACTUALLY DO IT FOR FREE OR DO IT AT MINIMAL COST? AND HOW ARE THEY DOING THAT? I THINK A LOT OF THE RECREATION PARKS PROGRAMS SET A TARGET FIGURE OF WHERE THEY WANT TO BE AT FROM A COST RECOVERY PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN THAT'S ALL THEY SHOOT FOR. THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE MORE. SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO KEEP THOSE MEMBERSHIP FEES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. THEIR MEMBERSHIP FEES WILL ARE USUALLY TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WELLNESS CARDIO WEIGHT ROOM AREA AQUATICS AS WELL. GO AHEAD. SORRY. ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. JACK, THANK FIRST. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND BRINGING ME UP TO SPEED ON THIS. SO ONE IS ABOUT YOU TALKED ABOUT FUTURE PROOFING AND I MAYBE I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT LONG TERM SUSTAINABILITY. 
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IS THERE ANY OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS THAT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S LONG TERM STRATEGIC GOALS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO I JUST STARTED IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR. ONE OF OUR GOALS THIS YEAR IS TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR PARKS AND SORT OF DEVELOP SOME PLANS FOR THOSE, AND WHAT THOSE WILL LOOK LIKE IN THE COMING YEARS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS, AS WELL AS OUR PRIME ATHLETIC PARKS AND FRIAR PARK AND IN WINDSOR. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. I CAN SAY THIS WE FUTURE PROOFING. WE NEED TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE AMENITIES AND PRIORITIES THAT PROS CONSULTING TOLD US ARE OUR COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR NOW, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO ANTICIPATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TEN YEARS FROM NOW AS WELL. AND WE WANT A FACILITY REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE WE GO. 
          MULTIPLE FACILITIES OR A PARTNERSHIP OR ONE BIG SITE THAT IS GOING TO LAST FOR DECADES. WE DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE REVISIT THIS IN FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. I KNOW IN WESTERVILLE, THE RESIDENTS GET A DISCOUNTED MEMBERSHIP FEE. YES. AND SO I HOPE THAT WHATEVER POSITION WE TAKE ON THIS, THAT WE DO CONSIDER THAT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF GROVE CITY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. JUST BECAUSE THE SUBJECTS COME UP AND I BROUGHT THIS WITH ME TO GIVE TO EVERYBODY. I, I KIND OF GOT CURIOUS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH AND SO PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE WORKSHEET OF THE MONTHLY FEE FOR MEMBERS AND NON MEMBERS IN CENTRAL OHIO. COMMUNITY CENTERS. JUST SO THAT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE IT FOR COMPARISON'S SAKE. SO I'LL PASS THEM ALONG FOR INFORMATION. AND THEN THERE'S ONE FOR YOU TO PERFECT. SO JACK ONE ONE AND YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS HERE. GIVE IT ONE OF THOSE TO MISTER CHUCKLER. YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. IT YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW CITIES. I MEAN, WESTERVILLE, I SUPPOSE, CAN EXPAND, BUT WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW AND DUBLIN HAS. WE'RE ONE OF THREE DIFFERENT CITIES AND THAT SURROUND COLUMBUS THAT ACTUALLY CAN EXPAND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE CAN GO TO THE SOUTH. WE CAN GO TO THE EAST AND WEST. SO THERE. THEN YOU START THINKING TO YOURSELF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE NORTH END OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW IS AN OLDER SECTION OF THE CITY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT DEFINITELY HAS NEEDS. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS A GROUP WITH BROOK PARK AND, YOU KNOW, WITH POTENTIAL THERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, I IF YOU COULD ADDRESS LIKE YOUR EXPERIENCES IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, LIKE I MEAN THE CITY'S VAST OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT THAT BIG. AND I HOPE WE NEVER, EVER, EVER GET THAT BIG. BUT AT THAT, HOW DID HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THAT BEING. SO YOU'RE SERVICING NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU'RE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, JUST OVER THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, WE HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE CITY THAT ARE SERVED WELL AND SOME THAT ARE ARE NOT SERVED SO WELL WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED AREAS IN GROVE CITY THAT ARE ALSO OF IMPORTANCE TO A LOT OF US OR ALL OF US ON THIS COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SERVED. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT DOING ONE HUB AS SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU SERVE THE ONE, THE SINGLE PARENT THAT LIVES IN THE NORTHERN PART OF GROVE CITY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET THEIR KIDS TO PROGRAMS IN THE, YOU KNOW, DOWN TO WHEREVER WE PUT THIS. HOW DO YOU DO THAT? I MEAN, IS THERE AN ANSWER TO THAT? HOW HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? I MEAN, BUSSING DOESN'T WORK. I MEAN, MY MOTHER WOULD NEVER TRUST ME AT THE AGE OF 9 OR 10 TO GET ON A BUS AND GO TO A REC CENTER. IT WAS I COULD WALK TO IT. BUT. SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER THROUGH YOUR EXP YERIENCE WITH COLUMBUS? HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH THAT? WELL, SO COLUMBUS HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MODEL BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF IT. AND SO AND THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHER CHALLENGES OF TRANSPORTATION AS WELL. SO THEY HAVE A LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD MODEL COMMUNITY CENTER. AND SO THEY DUPLICATE, YOU KNOW, SAME TYPES OF SPACES. A GYM, SOME WEIGHT ROOM, A CARDIO EQUIPMENT, AND SOME COMMON THEMES IN EACH COMMUNITY CENTER. NOW THEY THEY ALSO LEFT ROOM. SO THERE'S SOME BIGGER ONES. THERE'S SOME SMALLER ONES BASED ON THE COMMUNITY SIZE OR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SIZE. THERE'S SOME REGIONAL CENTERS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTERS. SO THAT'S HOW THEY THEY TRIED TO ADDRESS IT. IT'S SORT OF LIKE A DROP IN FEATURE OR WHAT I CALL A PROGRAM CENTER. OH, YOU HAVE SOME RECREATIONAL ASPECTS TO IT, BUT IT'S A PROGRAM CENTER, AND IT'S DESIGNED FOR THAT AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMING. GETTING KIDS INVOLVED IN YOUR PROGRAM AND ENGAGING THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY STREET OR DOING 
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NOTHING IN THEIR HOUSE OR SO IT GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO AND ENGAGE WITH THEM. WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT SOME UNIQUE ASPECTS OF PROGRAMING AND HOW WE ADDRESS THAT. HERE. WE ARE A FEE BASED PROGRAM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, AND A LOT OF TIMES INDIVIDUALS WHO COME FROM THOSE LOWER HOUSEHOLD INCOMES OVERALL. SEE OUR FEES AND MAY NEVER EVEN PICK UP THE PHONE AND INQUIRE ABOUT A PROGRAM WITH US. AND SO THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ENGAGING WITH US. SO WE NEED TO DO SOME DIFFERENT THINGS. COLUMBUS ALSO STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, A HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM CALLED CENTER WITHOUT WALLS. DON'T NEED A CENTER TO GO OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROGRAM IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO A MUCH BETTER JOB. YEAH, IT'S ALREADY STARTED TO BE A QUESTION MARK WITH THIS BECAUSE OF OUR GROWTH. YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPANDING TO THE EAST. WE'RE EXPANDING TO THE WEST. WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPANDED, YOU KNOW, TOO FAR SOUTH, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE OF WACO BEING THERE. BUT I MEAN, IT IS A CONCERN BECAUSE WE, WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING POCKETS OF, OF, OF OUR POPULATION THAT AREN'T GETTING THE SERVICE THAT MAYBE PEOPLE DO IN INDIAN TRAILS AND, AND, AND OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT. SO IT'S, IT'S A CONCERN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR. YEAH. I HAVE A FEW THINGS IF THAT'S OKAY. SO THANK YOU FIRST JACK. YES. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING US BACK ALL TOGETHER. I LOVE THE BRANDING WITH THE NEW SLIDES AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S GREAT. SO AND I REALLY LIKE HOW YOU IDENTIFIED THESE FOUR PILLARS HERE. AND SO WITH COMMUNITY PRIORITIES, I THINK THINGS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO STAY FOCUSED ON ARE THE RESULTS THAT DID COME OUT OF THE SURVEY THAT WAS TAKEN. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE LOOK AT WHAT THESE OPTIONS COULD BE, WE ARE TRULY THINKING ABOUT THE NEEDS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED AND HOW WE CAN DELIVER TO THOSE. I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID WITHIN THAT CENTRAL HUB, I THINK THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF MEET THE AMENITIES THAT WERE OUTLINED WITHIN THE MULTI SITE. WE KNOW WE MIGHT BE LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT OR HAVING SOME NEGOTIATION WITHIN THE SMALLER SITES. PLUS IT DOES ALSO CREATE THAT LOGISTICAL PIECE OF WE MIGHT HAVE A LOT OF THE AMENITIES IDENTIFIED, BUT SINCE THEY'RE NOT ALL IN ONE LOCATION, THIS PERSON IS TAKING THIS CHILD OR THIS FAMILY MEMBER OR AND THEY CAN'T BE IN ONCE. AND THEN WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY, THE HYBRID, IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT LARGER WITH THE APPROXIMATE OF 98,000FT■!S, BUT THERE STILL MIT BE SOME NEGOTIATION IN TERMS OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY OFFER. SO JUST KIND OF BRINGING THAT BACK AS A POINT. I THINK ALSO WITH THE HYBRID MODEL, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, AGAIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE AN APPROXIMATE 98,000 TO OPERATE, AND IT WOULD BE ABOUT 58,000 ISH SQUARE FEET THAT THE Y IS OPERATING SEPARATE FROM THE 40,000 ISH THAT THE CITY IS THEN PROGRAMING AND OPERATING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT IS AT A HIGH LEVEL. WE HAVE NOT DIVED INTO ANY DETAILS. IF THAT WAS THE DIRECTION WE WANTED TO GO, THEN WE WOULD START TO GIVE 100% EFFORT INTO THAT. OKAY. I THINK THE OTHER PIECE AND MAYBE YOU WERE GOING TO GET TO THIS. I JUST WANT TO SO I YOU SAW I SERVE AS THE LIAISON TO THE PARK BOARD AND HAVE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF 2024. AND I KNOW AND JACK, YOU MENTIONED THIS, THAT THE PARK BOARD HAS PUT IN TWO AND A HALF PLUS YEARS OF A LOT OF WORK WITH FOCUS GROUPS AND COMMUNITY INTERVIEWS BRINGING FORTH ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND REALLY GETTING OUT THERE INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH THEN LED TO PROS CONSULTING BUILDING ON UPON THAT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND KIND OF THAT COLLECTIVE FEEDBACK FROM THE PARK BOARD AS WE ALL LOOK THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT PATHS. ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE PARK BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT UNABLE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. HOWEVER, UNANIMOUSLY, I SORT OF DID A SURVEY THIS THIS PAST WEEK, AND THEY ARE ALL HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CENTRAL HUB MODEL. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BRINGING THAT FORTH. AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE OPERATIONAL FEASIBILITY. I THINK THAT IS A BIG PIECE WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT MODELS. I THINK WITHIN THE CENTRAL HUB, WE KNOW THAT IT IS OBVIOUSLY THE CITY THAT IS OPERATING AND PROGRAMING ALL OF THE SPACES WITHIN THE SECOND MULTI UNIT FACILITIES. I WOULD IMAGINE THERE COULD BE OPERATIONAL CHALLENGES 
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SOMETIMES, OR MAYBE SOMETHING HAS TO NOT BE PROGRAMED BECAUSE WE'RE PROGRAMING IN ANOTHER SPACE. AND THEN WITH THE THIRD THE HYBRID, THE PARTNERSHIP, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT BEING ABLE TO PROGRAM AND OFFER WHAT THE CITY WOULD WANT TO OFFER, KNOWING THAT THERE THE REALITY IS THERE WILL BE TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHTS, TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES PER SE THAT ARE OPERATING WITHIN THAT HYBRID MODEL AND MAY VARY. SO HAVE DIFFERENT PRIORITIES IN DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES OF HOW THEY WANT TO PROGRAM THE SPACES. SO THAT'S MORE OF JUST A CLARIFYING POINT THAT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH AS SOMETHING I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          AND AS WE'RE ALL TRYING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT THAT NEXT PATH IS AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, I MEAN, TED, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU DID BRING UP THAT WE KNOW WHAT WHAT THESE DIFFERENT MODELS WOULD BE. AND I THINK, AGAIN, GOING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEEING WHAT THAT THAT PICTURE IS, AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF A VOTE, THAT WILL HELP US ALSO GET THERE, BUT THAT ADDRESSES COMMUNITY PRIORITIES AND THE COMMUNITY BEING ABLE TO ANSWER WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANT. SO THANK YOU. VERY WELL STATED. THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HYBRID MODEL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE WOULD BE ADDING 40,000FT■!S. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MAIN LOCATION AND THE HYBRID LOCATIONS AT 20,000FT■!S. SO I WANT TO ASK YU WHAT I MEAN. THIS IS ALL I'M THINKING OUT LOUD. SO DON'T DON'T CRITICIZE ME FOR SOME OF THE. SO YOU'VE GOT 20,000FT■!S LEFT TECHNICALLY OF SPACE. 
          THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WOULD A DROP IN CENTER COST AT BROOK PARK IF WE ACTUALLY RAN THE IF WE ACTUALLY HAD POSSESSION OF THE LAND? WHAT WHAT WHAT DO YOU FORESEE THERE? IF YOU IF YOU WERE IF MONEY WASN'T AN ISSUE, WHAT WOULD YOU PUT THERE THAT TO SERVE THAT NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY. WHAT WHAT WOULD YOU WHAT WOULD IT COST ESTIMATE. WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE AND WHAT AMENITIES WE'RE PUTTING IN. EACH AMENITY YOU PUT IN HAS CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT. BUT BASICALLY COMMUNITY SPACE, COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE, GATHERING SPACE FOR COMMUNITY YOUTH ATTRACTIONS, WHETHER THAT'S E-SPORTS OR WHATEVER, THAT MIGHT BE SOME RECREATIONAL COMPONENT TO IT, BUT MAYBE NOT A FULL SLATE OF GYM AND WEIGHT ROOM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT'S MORE OF A PROGRAM CENTER. IT COULD BE AS SMALL AS 15,000FT■!S TO AS BIG AS WHAT YU WANT IT TO BE. SO I THINK THAT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE. WOULD IT BE WOULD YOU HAVE A BASKET, WOULD YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF BASKETBALL COURTS SO THAT COULD BE SHIFTED TO PICKLEBALL? I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. YEAH. SO YOU WOULD, YOU MIGHT PUT SOME RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS IN THERE, BUT NOT AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT YOU WOULD PUT. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAYBE TWO FULL TIME, FULL SIZE GYMS IN THERE. 
          YOU MIGHT JUST HAVE ONE SMALLER GYM THAT GIVES PEOPLE A RECREATIONAL SPACE TO PLAY IN, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE DESIGNED FOR LEAGUE PLAY AND FORMAL PLAY. SO, SO SOME OF THE REC CENTERS THAT ARE BRANCHES FROM OUR PACK THAT ARE ON THE CAMPUS, THERE'S LIKE THERE'S LIKE AT LEAST FOUR OF THEM, RIGHT. THAT THAT ARE OUTLIERS IN THE THAT WERE PLACED OUTSIDE OF OUR, OF THE CENTRAL CAMPUS AND LIKE ONE'S OUR NORTH AND EVERYTHING. SO THOSE FACILITIES I DON'T KNOW THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS 20,000FT■!S. I MEA, SOME OF THOSE I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE STACKED, RIGHT? THERE'S ON THE ONE OF THEM, THERE'S THREE LEVELS AND YOU GOT YOUR WORKOUT FACILITY AND THEN ABOVE IT'S PICKLEBALL AND WHATEVER THE OTHER ONE IS CALLED WITH THEIR HANDBALL. AND THEN AND THEN THE TOP FLOOR IS PROGRAMING SPACE WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE MEETINGS AND OR YOGA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I JUST WONDERED WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THOSE ARE PRETTY DARN NICE. AND OF COURSE THEY HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE DO. BUT BUT THOSE AND THEN AT THE OUR SOUTH, THEY HAVE THE OLD ARCH. YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THE OLD ARCH BUILDINGS IN COLUMBUS. YOU HAVE SEVERAL OF THOSE WHICH HAVE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY FOOT FOUR BASKETBALL COURTS AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WEIGHT AREA COMPONENT TO THEM. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY COMMUNITY ROOMS. YEAH. THERE'S NO COMMUNITY ROOMS. THERE USED TO BE LOCKER ROOMS. YEAH. YEAH. 
          PRETTY MUCH USED TO STORAGE NOW. YEAH. SO WHAT'S IN THOSE IS FOR GYMS AND RESTROOMS AND RESTROOMS. VERY LITTLE SEATING. SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, SINCE YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, HOW MUCH HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS IN ONE OF THOSE THINGS? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. I WOULDN'T EVEN WANT TO GUESS, BUT IT'S NOT VERY MUCH SO THAT THOSE ATHLETIC COMPLEXES ARE FOR GYMS. AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO SMALL ENTRYWAY. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING 
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GLAMOROUS ABOUT THOSE. THEY THEY THEY'RE SUFFICIENT WORK. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO IS SPECIFICALLY FOR BASKETBALL OR VOLLEYBALL. OKAY. NOW I JUST WONDERED WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE. IF WE ENDED UP LIKE, I KNOW THEY HAVE I, THEY HAVE ONE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU CAN GET SOME INFORMATION. I JUST CURIOUS IS WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS AND WHAT THE COST IS OF ONE OF THOSE TO SEE IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FLOAT SPACE THAT YOU GUYS COULD USE FOR. IF WE DO DO BROOK PARK OR WHATEVER. ABSOLUTELY. I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT IT IS. BUT AND ALSO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT OUR NORTH, I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT ONE COST. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. 
          I'LL LOOK INTO IT ON A SMALL FOOTPRINT. YEAH. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. I HAVE ONE MORE. YEAH. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN STANDING THERE FOR, LIKE, 42 MINUTES NOW, BUT I'M NOT GOOD AT IT. I'LL BE QUICK. THE CENTRAL HUB MODEL. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY OF GRANTS OR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS? AND DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE ENGAGED IN THOSE TYPE OF AVENUES TO HELP FUND? YEAH, I LOVE THAT QUESTION. SO YEAH. A LOT OF CITIES LOOK FOR PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS AND ACTUALLY EXPAND THEIR WHY AND THEN LEASE A PORTION OF THAT OUT. AS WELL. SO I THINK I'LL ADDRESS THAT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          BUT BUT ABSOLUTELY I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO AND, AND LOOK AT ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES OF HOW WE CAN HELP PAY FOR OPERATING COSTS AND CAPITAL. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, GOING BACK TO THE OPERATING COSTS AND EVERYTHING JUST IN, YOU KNOW, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PART TIME PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AND THAT TYPE OF THING TO? I JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WHAT THAT WILL END UP BEING. I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW. THAT'S SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH. SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. SO I BASICALLY WHEN I WAS WORKING ON COST RECOVERY WORKED ON OURS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A POLICY HERE WITH GROVE CITY THAT PART TIME PEOPLE ONLY CAN WORK 28 HOURS A WEEK. SO I WOULD HAVE TO REALLY DIVE IN AND FIGURE OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE. YEAH. SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR ME? FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE ONE THING ABOUT BROOK PARK. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THE HYBRID CENTER IS IF YOU WERE TO IF YOU WERE TO ADD 40,000FT■!S WITH THE COST OF THAT HYBRID PLAN WOULD BE I'M JUST I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST IS OF ALL THESE THINGS. OKAY. SO WHAT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION? DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT BROOK PARK? YEAH. I MEAN, IF WE DID DO A DROP IN CENTER, BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE VOTERS, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THEM WITH A COMPLETE PLAN. SO WHAT WOULD A DROP IN CENTER COST AND WHAT WOULD IT BE AT BROOK PARK IF WE IF WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT OR NOT? OKAY. SO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. AND TELL US WHAT IT WOULD BE. THE AQUATIC CENTER, THE AQUATIC CENTER WITH THE WINE, AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WOULD THAT SO THAT WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF THEIR CURRENT SWIMMING POOL AREA. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT WOULDN'T BE AN EXPANSION. THEY WOULD ENCLOSE THE OUTDOOR PORTION OF THE WHY. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL Y MEMBERS HERE THAT I MIGHT BE MISSPEAKING AGAIN. WHAT I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY EMPHASIZE WITH THAT HYBRID MODEL IS IT'S A UNIQUE PROPOSAL TO UNIQUE LOOK AT HOW WE CAN EXPAND THE CURRENT Y AND PARTNER WITH THEM. BUT NO SERIOUS DETAILS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING WHEN YOU SAY 40,000FT■!S HERE IN 20, WE DID THAT SO THAT WE'D HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. BUT IF WE DIVE INTO THE DETAILS AND WORKED OUT AN AGREEMENT, IT COULD END UP 50,000FT■!S OF OUR PORTION, YOU KNOW, AND 25 OF THEIRS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO I MEAN, IN THE ONE IN THE ONE LOCATION SPOT, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LAP POOLS. WHAT WERE WE TALKING THERE? LAP POOLS. AND ALSO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A LEISURE POOL, DIFFERENT BODIES OF WATER. SO LEISURE POOL, A LAP COMPETITION POOL. WE EVEN HAD A DIVING WELL IN THERE AT ONE POINT AND SO. AND THEN SOME WARM WATER THERAPEUTIC WATER. SO TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES AND THE HYBRID MODEL YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED SOMEPLACE. SO YEAH, WE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WE CAN'T COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES HERE UNLESS WE. YEAH. YEAH. WE DON'T KNOW. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT WOULD NEED TO GO IN. SO IF I GO TO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I CAN GO TO MY NEXT SCREEN. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT BRIEFLY. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THIS, AND I, I LOVE YOUR KEY QUESTIONS. THE THINGS THAT I THINK PROBABLY ALL OF US HAVE BEEN MULLING OVER IN EVERY POSSIBLE DIRECTION. AND I KIND 
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OF BROUGHT MY CHEAT SHEET NOTES ON THE MEMBERSHIP FEES, BECAUSE IT'S JUST INTERESTING KNOWING THAT EVERY COMMUNITY THAT HAS A COMMUNITY CENTER IN PLACE IS HAS GRAPPLED WITH THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH IS GOING TO GO INTO OUR PARKS AND RECREATION OPERATING BUDGET. SO THEY'RE SETTING THEIR TARGET AND THEN HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BREAK OUT THEIR COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BY DEMOGRAPHIC WHAT THEIR MONTHLY RATE IS. ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FACE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO WRAPPING YOUR HEAD AROUND ALL OF IT, I THINK IS A DAUNTING TASK, BUT YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB IN PUTTING IT IN DIGESTIBLE FORMAT FOR US. AND I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ARE NOT REALLY REFLECTED HERE. BUT I THINK OUR OUR KIND OF KEY AND MAYBE NOT QUANTIFIABLE COMPONENTS OF THIS ONE TO ME IS THE BUILDING OF COMMUNITY. OUR ENTIRE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMING AND OUR OUR PARK SYSTEM AND TRAIL SYSTEM, AND THE CONTRIBUTION THAT CALLING OUT PEOPLE IN FROM THE COMMUNITY TO BE TOGETHER AND TO PARTICIPATE IN ACTIVITY TOGETHER HAS ON MENTAL HEALTH AND OVERALL WELLNESS. SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE IS THE BIG LEAP THAT WE WANT TO MAKE IS TRY TO REALLY DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND OVERALL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE TO ME IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THAT THAT TRICKLES INTO THE LARGER ECONOMY OF OUR COMMUNITY, NOT NECESSARILY TIED DIRECTLY TO PARKS AND RECREATION, BUT IN THE COMPETITIVE MARKETPLACE OF PEOPLE CHOOSING WHERE TO BUILD A HOME, WHERE A GOOD EMPLOYER MAY WANT TO LOCATE THEIR BUSINESS OFFICES SO THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES HAVE ACCESS TO AMENITIES THAT ARE DESIRABLE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO COME TOGETHER UNDER ONE ROOF, THE SENIOR OF A HOUSEHOLD, THE PARENTS, THE YOUNG CHILDREN HAVING GENERATIONS BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN GROVE CITY OF BEING A COMMUNITY WHERE YOU CAN BE BORN HERE AND YOU CAN LEAVE THIS EARTH FROM THIS COMMUNITY. THAT, TO ME, IS THIS SORT OF BIG PICTURE, TWO THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CAN'T PUT INTO CHARTS AND FIGURES AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, BUT I ALSO THINK ARE VERY VALUABLE. AND TO PONDER IN THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. I CAN'T REMEMBER IN THE SURVEY, BUT DIDN'T IT HAVE A SUGGESTED OR SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR FEE WHAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO PAY? DOES ANYBODY HAVE THOSE THINGS TO RATTLE OFF? I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. YEAH, I CAN PROVIDE THOSE FOR YOU. THEY THEY PROS CONSULTING IN OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL OR NOT, BUT LITERALLY THERE WAS THE NUMBER ABOUT 42 DIFFERENT FEE STRUCTURES THAT THEY LAID OUT IN THERE. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE IF YOU'RE LOOKING JUST FOR A COMPARISON IN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP, THEY BASED RIGHT AROUND 35 AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO 55. YEAH. BECAUSE LOOKING AT THESE I MEAN YEAH, THERE'S ALL THE WAY FROM FOR FAMILY FOR 150 DOWN TO $40 OR SOMETHING. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THEN THE, THE MARKER FOR ME IS LIKE, OKAY, THE WHY IS ABOUT $70 FOR A FAMILY, I THINK 76 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO HOW TO DO THE FEE STRUCTURE ONCE WE GET TO THAT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE I THINK I THINK WE EXPECT THAT GROVE CITY RESIDENTS WOULD GET A DISCOUNT. THERE'S PROBABLY A FACTION OF FOLKS THAT THINK WE SHOULD FURTHER DISCOUNT THAT FOR SENIORS. SO I DON'T KNOW. IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING TABLE. ABSOLUTELY. TWO MORE QUESTIONS. THINKING ABOUT THE MULTI-SITE LOCATION MODEL. TO ME, THAT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY MORE PEOPLE THAN A SINGLE SITE LOCATION, WOULDN'T IT? MULTI-SITE WOULD. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU THINK OF A MULTI SITE AND YOU HAVE THREE FULL TIME CUSTODIAL WORKERS AND THEN YOU GO TO THREE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OPEN THE SAME NUMBER OR SIMILAR NUMBER OF HOURS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED, THAT'S ALMOST DOUBLING THE STAFF. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME OPERATIONAL DUPLICATION OF STAFFING. AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST YOUR OPINION. BECAUSE I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS. ON ONE HAND I, I DON'T WANT TO BUT YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY RUN A $90 MILLION COMMUNITY CENTER FACILITY WITHIN GROVE 
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CITY? WITHOUT A DOUBT. WITHOUT A DOUBT. WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE. WE'LL HIRE THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND WE'LL WE'LL PLAN IT OUT. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A COMMENT. 
          YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE FEES, ESPECIALLY FOR SENIORS. ONCE YOU ATTAIN THE AGE OF 65, MANY OF YOUR INSURANCE COMPANIES WILL GIVE YOU WHAT THEY CALL SILVER SNEAKERS. COST ME NOTHING. AND EVERY TIME I GO TO THE Y OR A COMMUNITY CENTER AND CLICK IN, THEY'RE AUTOMATICALLY PAID BY THE INSURANCE COMPANY. AND THE YS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS LOVE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ANY BOOKKEEPING TO DO. YOU JUST SWIPE, BANG, THEY GET A CHECK. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, OH, JOHNNY, WE GOT A BILLING FOR $50, $90, WHATEVER. THEY GET IT EVERY, EVERY TIME. 
          AND THE MORE TIMES YOU USE IT, THE MORE MONEY THEY GET. I DO THINK IT'S CAPPED, BUT WE WOULD WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR CENTER, WHETHER IT'S SMALL, HYBRID OR CENTRAL HUB. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION ON FEES. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FEES AND WE'RE REALLY HEAVILY INVESTED AND FOCUSED ON FEES. REAL QUICK, A CLARIFYING POINT WITH THE CENTRAL HUB OR WITH A MULTI-LOCATION STILL CITY OPERATED PATH ONE AND PATH TWO, THE CITY WOULD BE FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DETERMINING THE FEE STRUCTURE. CORRECT. CORRECT. 
          BUT WITH THE HYBRID MODEL, WOULD THE CITY HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THAT FEE STRUCTURE? WOULD THE MEMBERSHIP FEES BE MORE WHAT THE WHY? WHAT THE PARTNERSHIP DETERMINES FOR THAT PORTION? WOULD THE CITY JUST BE DETERMINING PROGRAMING FEES AND THAT STRUCTURE? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE ULTIMATE WHAT WHAT THE OUTLOOK OF THAT AGREEMENT LOOKS LIKE. A LOT OF WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO DEVELOP THAT AGREEMENT. AND THE MORE WORK WE CAN DO AHEAD OF TIME, THE BETTER OFF WE ALL ARE TO PROVIDE CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING. BUT JUST TO ANSWER IN A BIG PICTURE FORMAT, THE WELLNESS PIECE AND THE AQUATIC PIECE ARE WHERE THE MEMBERSHIP FEES ARE AT, AND THAT WOULD BE WE'D BE EXPANDING THE CURRENT YMCA AND ALLOWING THEM TO OVERSEE THAT PORTION OF THAT. 
          OKAY. OVERSEE THE PORTION OF DETERMINING THE FEES AND THE FEE STRUCTURE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT SINCE I THINK A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY UP HERE HAS HAD DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE AND VOICING THOUGHTS INTO THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFYING POINT. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. MOVE ON TO ONE MORE SLIDE I THINK. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO LEAVE US WITH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SAYS WHAT'S NEXT? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO NEXT? AND SO I DO WANT TO LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH SOME SUGGESTED NEXT STEPS. SO OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE NEED THIS FIRST. WE NEED A STAKEHOLDER CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION. SO THAT WE CAN START TO REALLY FULLY DEVELOP AND LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING TO TAKE, WHETHER THAT IS A HYBRID MODEL, A CENTRAL HUB MODEL, OR A MULTI-SITE MODEL TO, YOU KNOW, TO DIVERT OUR ATTENTION AND EXPLORE THREE DIFFERENT AVENUES TO GIVE IT THAT FULL EXTENT. THIS THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND DEVOTION TO KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD. SO IF WE HAD AND WHEN WE HAVE AND I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE IT TODAY, BUT IF WE HAVE THAT STAKEHOLDER CONSENSUS, SOME OF THE NEXT THINGS THAT I WOULD THAT I WOULD OFFER THAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO FORM A SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, GIVE THEM DETAILS. THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WOULD BE A DIVERSE COMMITTEE MADE UP OF A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBER, A COUPLE OF CITY ADMINISTRATORS, A COUPLE PARK BOARD MEMBERS, A COUPLE OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND REALLY START TO LOOK IN AT SITES THAT WOULD HAVE A HARD CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT AND EVALUATE THOSE SITES AND MAYBE COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH A TOP FIVE, TOP EIGHT SITE PROJECTED LIST BASED ON WHAT DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO WE WANT TO EXPLORE. AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE EXPLORING, WE CAN FORM A FISCAL COMMITTEE AT THE SAME TIME, AGAIN MADE UP OF DIFFERENT MEMBERS. BUT OF THOSE, A COUPLE OF PARK BOARD MEMBERS, COUPLE OF COMMUNITY BOARD MEMBERS, COUPLE COUNCIL BOARD MEMBERS AND CITY ADMINISTRATORS AND REALLY START TO LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THE FISCAL HOW HOW WOULD WE PAY FOR THIS FACILITY? IS IT WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT A PRIVATE PARTNER, PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, AND WHAT DO OPERATIONAL COSTS LOOK LIKE? AND DO WE WANT TO SET THIS A GROVE CITY MODEL OF COST RECOVERY. SO I THINK THERE'S THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. YOU KNOW, YOU I WON'T PUT A DEADLINE ON IT, BUT WE COULD DO THIS AS 
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QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND START TO FORM THESE COMMITTEES AND, AND MOVE AND THEN COME BACK WITH SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS AND CONCRETE NUMBERS AND INFORMATION. AND IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN, I GUESS, ON TOP OF THIS LIST AS STAKEHOLDER, I'M SPEAKING AS CHRISTINE HAWK, STAKEHOLDER. I REALLY JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO START FROM THE I'LL USE YOUR TERMINOLOGY, CENTRAL HUB. I THINK WE HAVE TO START FROM THE CENTRAL HUB. SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF TWO SUBCOMMITTEES THAT ARE WORKING ON FULLY FLESHING OUT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CENTRAL HUB. BECAUSE TO ME, EVERYTHING ELSE, I HATE TO USE BOX CHECKING BECAUSE I'M MY MINDSET IS ALWAYS THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE OF CHECKING A BOX. BUT THE TO ME, THE CHECKING ALL THE BOXES FOR THIS COMMUNITY IS THE CENTRAL HUB. SO IF WE HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE OTHER TWO ALTERNATIVES AS THIS CONVERSATION EVOLVES, TO ME THE FOUNDATIONAL WORK HAS TO BE AT THE CENTRAL HUB. THAT'S MY $0.02 WORTH. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT, CHRISTINE, IS IF I IF THE HYBRID. I GUESS I'M STILL NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MATCHING THE TWO COMPLETELY TOGETHER. YOU GOT 42,000, 250 ON ONE AND THEN YOU GOT 78 MILLION FOR THE CENTRAL HUB. BUT THE, THE CENTRAL HUB, THE 42, 250 DOES NOT INCLUDE EVERYTHING THAT THE CENTRAL HUB DOES IN THIS MODEL. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE HAVE NOT FLESHED OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THAT MODEL FOR ALL THE PRIORITIES. WE DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR A PLACEHOLDER, WE PUT FOUR BASKETBALL COURTS THAT COULD BE MULTI-PURPOSE COURTS, A WALKING TRACK. AND THEN THE WELLNESS PIECE WAS EXPANDED IN THE IN THE OTHER SITE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF FITNESS ROOMS IN THERE AS WELL, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SQUARE FOOTAGE IN EXACT DETAILS OR AMENITIES IN THERE AT ALL. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT FLESHED OUT MORE A LITTLE BIT, JUST SO I KNOW WHAT I'M. 
          I'M COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, THAT'S ALL. WELL, AND I WOULD SAY COUNTER TO THAT, THAT OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER, WE SHOULD FULLY VET THE FIRST CONCEPT, WHICH WE LEFT THIS DAIS ON NOVEMBER 4TH, SAYING, WE WANT TO SEE THIS CENTRAL HUB CONVERSATION BE BROUGHT TO LIFE FOR ALL OF US IN BOLD LIVING COLOR, SO THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND AND WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT WORK ACCOMPLISHED YET. SO TO ME, BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE EXPENDS THEIR TIME AND RESOURCES, I BELIEVE THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS ON THE CITY SIDE OF THINGS NEED TO DECIDE. ARE WE RULING OUT THE CENTRAL HUB THAT EITHER OF THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO ME ARE AFTER THAT? YEAH, I'LL. I WANT TO ALSO KIND OF HELP WITH THAT STAKEHOLDER CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION, JACK, AS YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE I THINK AS CHRISTINE SAID, WE DID HAVE DURING A COUNCIL MEETING IN THE FALL OF 24 WHEN PROS CONSULTING AND YOU KIND OF GAVE THAT FINAL REPORT. AND AT THAT POINT THERE SEEMED THERE WAS CONSENSUS HERE. I KNOW WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER NOW AS A SEVEN MEMBER BODY, BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE A LARGE CONSENSUS THAT SAID CENTRAL HUB. LET'S SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. 
          SO I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR COMMUNITY WHO HAS TAKEN THE SURVEY, WHO HAS PUT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I THINK WE OWE IT TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO CONTINUE TO FLUSH OUT THE CENTRAL HUB AND NOT NECESSARILY LOOK IN OTHER PATHS OR DIRECTIONS UNTIL WE HAVE FULLY FLESHED THAT OUT. ALSO, AS THE LIAISON TO THE PARK BOARD, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN. THE PARK BOARD FEEDBACK THAT YOU GAVE, AND I'VE BEEN PART OF THE DIALOG AND CONVERSATIONS FOR THE PAST YEAR NOW, AND I KNOW THEY HAVE PUT SO MUCH MORE TIME AND EFFORT BEHIND THE SCENES VOLUNTEER WORK. HAVING THOSE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND THOSE ONE ON ONES FACE TO FACE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I KNOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS FILL OUT AN INCREDIBLE ONLINE SURVEY THAT THOSE CONSULTING PUT OUT, BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE HOURS AND THE FACE TO FACE AND ALL OF THAT THAT WENT INTO WITH OUR PARK BOARD MEMBERS IDENTIFYING THE AMENITIES AND THE NEEDS THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED. AND ALSO, I THINK THE OPERATIONAL TYPE OF FACILITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTED, I THINK WE COULD GET TO AMENITIES IN ALL THREE OF THESE PATHS THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS, WHETHER IT'S CENTRAL, WHETHER IT'S MULTIPLE LOCATION OR WHETHER IT'S HYBRID, WE CAN MAKE THE HYBRID AS BIG AS WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE. BUT I THINK IDENTIFYING WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS, OUR COMMUNITY HAS SET A 
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CITY OPERATED AND PROGRAMED TYPE FACILITY THAT IS LARGE AND THAT HOLDS ALL OF THE AMENITIES. SO THAT'S AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ENDED IT IN THE FALL. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DIRECTION CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I MEAN, SINCE PEOPLE ARE HERE. ANYBODY WANT TO COVER THAT BASE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THANKS, JACK. FOR US OR FOR THE CENTRAL HUB? MR. CHAIRMAN, TO DOCUMENT OUR DIRECTION FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT GROVE CITY OWNING AND OPERATING THE FUTURE COMMUNITY CENTER AT A CENTRAL HUB. WHEREAS 68% OF THE RESIDENTS SUPPORT THE CENTRAL HUB. THEREFORE, THIS WILL SERVE TO DOCUMENT COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS AND PLANNING PURPOSES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SO IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH, LET'S GO FOR IT. SO I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SAY THIS. THE PRICE TAG SCARES ME A LOT WITH PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO AFFORD IT. SO I MEAN, I, I'M JUST I'M LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LOOK AT IT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO INVEST IN SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AS A CITY, WE INVEST IN JOBS, WE INVESTED IN AMENITIES, WE INVEST IN HEALTH AND WELL-BEING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND JOBS CREATE REVENUE. REVENUE CREATES EXCESS CASH THAT WE CAN SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. SO I YOU KNOW, I'M VERY CONCERNED ON HOW WE STRAP OUR CITY, THAT'S ALL. BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR A VOTE. TAMMY, DID YOU CATCH ALL THAT OR DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AGAIN? I KNOW YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN READY. CAN YOU READ IT AGAIN? ANYWAYS, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYBODY, PLEASE? I'LL TRY THE FOURTH THING. SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT I. THAT I HEARD IS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SUPPORT THE CENTRAL HUB OPTION. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND I WAS SUPPLEMENTING THAT WITH 68% OF THE SURVEY. AND IT PROVIDES JUST WHAT JACK NEEDS, THE DIRECTION AND THE CLARITY FOR MOVING FORWARD ON A SINGLE OPTION. 
          OKAY. AND YOU'RE READY FOR A VOTE. WE HAD A SECOND. CORRECT. YES, MISS ANDERSON. SECONDED THAT MOTION. YES. READY? OKAY, MISS ANDERSON? YES. WILSON. YES. YES. HOLT. YES. BARRY. NO. DO. 
          YES. BURROWS. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THAT CONCLUDES THIS COMMITTEE MEETING, AND I WILL HAND IT BACK TO YOU, PRESIDENT HOUK. ALL RIGHT. I LOVE A MEETING THAT ENDS WITH EVERYONE KNOWING WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, SO I'LL CALL THIS A SUCCESS. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BERRY, FOR MANAGING THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. THANK YOU TO OUR PARKS AND REC TEAM, PARTICULARLY MR. CASSELL, FOR GIVING THAT LENGTHY PRESENTATION FOR US. OUR PARK BOARD MEMBERS IN THE ROOM. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OUR PARK LIAISON, MISS ANDERSON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK AND YOUR YOUR PASSION ON THIS SUBJECT. AND WITH THAT,
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