Jul 21, 2025 City Council

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GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. IF I MAY HAVE MISS KELLY CALL THE ROLL. BURROWS HERE. ANDERSON HERE. WILSON. HERE. HERE. HOLT. BARRY HERE. DO I HEAR. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME,

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WELL, HOW CAN YOU HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE MAYOR? WELL, THEN WE I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT THEN, BECAUSE HOW? LET'S SAY THAT THIS DOES HAPPEN. SO DO YOU GO UP TO SOMEBODY AND YOU SAY, DID YOU VOTE IN THE LAST ELECTION? AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY LIE AND SAY, NO, IT'S BOARD OF ELECTIONS. BOARD OF ELECTIONS WILL TELL US HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTED FOR MAYOR. NO, NO, NO. BUT THE QUESTION OVER HERE WAS IS, OKAY, WHEN YOU'RE GOING OUT TO GET SIGNATURES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT ARE THE DO THE PEOPLE. THAT'S WHY THE PETITIONS GET

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IF WE DO MAKE A CHANGE WITH THE COMMITTEE OF A CANDIDATE PETITION, I WOULD ALSO THEN QUESTION A COMMITTEE NOTED HERE FOR A RECALL PETITION. AND THEN THERE'S SOME GENDER SPECIFIC THINGS HERE AS WELL. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, TED? AND YOU LOOK, I DON'T KNOW, STEVEN, HOW WE GET AWAY FROM THE FIVE PERSON COMMITTEE BECAUSE IN THE POLITICAL WORLD, IF YOU'RE RUNNING AS AN R OR D, THE PARTY MAKES AN APPOINTMENT. WE ARE NONPARTISAN, SO THERE'S NOBODY TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEBODY FALLS ILL AND PASSES AWAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FIVE MEMBER COMMITTEE. THERE'S NO APPOINTING AUTHORITY AS THERE IS IN REGULAR POLITICAL POSITIONS. THAT IS CORRECT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET RID OF THE FIVE MEMBER COMMITTEE IF WE STAY NONPARTISAN, IS MY POINT. DID WE HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION WHEN YOU SENT THROUGH THE INFORMATION THAT GAVE US A STANDARD OF WHAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WHO ARE ALSO NONPARTISAN ARE DOING? THERE? IF THE THERE ARE OTHER IF THE CANDIDATE DROPS OUT FOR ANY REASON, THERE WOULD BE NO REPLACEMENT OF THAT CANDIDATE.

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THAT'S JUST THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN OTHER CENTRAL OHIO COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS. INFORMATION THAT YOU RECEIVED, YES, THAT ARE NONPARTISAN. THEY DON'T HAVE COMMITTEES ON THEIR PETITIONS. THEREFORE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THE CANDIDATE, THERE WOULD BE NO REPLACEMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY. THERE'S ALSO THE TIME SPAN, THOUGH, BETWEEN THE DATE YOU'RE ELECTED AND THE DATE THAT YOU TAKE OFFICE. CORRECT.

SO THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS COUNCIL. IF THERE'S A VACANCY WOULD NOT TAKE IF WE DID NOT HAVE A COMMITTEE JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING WOULD NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER THAT HAPPENED. SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT. THERE'S NOTHING THERE'S PROCESS IS ALLOWED TO OCCUR. BUT THE APPOINTMENT COULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL THE TERM BEGAN, RIGHT? YES. YES. IF THERE WAS, IF IT IF IT RESULTED IN A VACANCY IN THAT 45 DAY PERIOD. CORRECT. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT I, I KNOW THAT IT DISTINGUISHES OUR PETITION. AND SO THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN RAISED SEVERAL TIMES, AND I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN MY THIS IS MY EDITORIAL EXPERIENCE WHEN I'M TALKING TO MY FIVE PEOPLE, THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? AND I'M LIKE, SO IF I DIE, YOU COULD PICK SOMEONE ELSE. AND THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY BLEAK. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, I'M JUST SAYING IT WOULD GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. AND THEY WOULD SAY, WHO WOULD WE PICK? AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, LOOK, CAN I JUST PUT YOUR NAME DOWN? I'M I PLAN TO LIVE. I'M GOING TO MAKE IT. BUT AT LEAST THE NEXT 45 DAYS, I PROMISE. THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SIGNING THEIR NAME OVER WHAT IS IMPLIED BY THAT SIGNATURE, SO IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH PONDERING. BUT, BUT, BUT TO TED'S POINT, IT COULD LEAVE US WITH A EMPTY SEAT. NOBODY RUNNING. IF SOMEBODY IF SOMETHING HAPPENS OR SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR MIND, OR AS WE HAVE SEEN, IF AN EMPLOYER WEIGHS IN AND SAYS YOU CAN'T HOLD A PUBLIC OFFICE, THAT MIGHT MEAN YOU HAVE TO WITHDRAW YOUR NAME. SO, ALL RIGHT, MISSY, YOU WANT TO PICK UP ON 803 SECTION 8.03, FILING AN EXAMINATION OF PETITIONS. ALL SEPARATE PAPERS COMPRISING A RECALL PETITION SHALL BE ASSEMBLED AND FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE CITY AS A SINGLE INSTRUMENT WITHIN 20 DAYS. THEREAFTER, THE CLERK SHALL EXAMINE THE PETITIONS AND DETERMINE THEIR VALIDITY AND SUFFICIENCY, AND REPORT THEREON TO THE COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST FOR THE RECORD, TAMMY, THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE OR HAS HAPPENED OR NOT. YES, WE'VE HAD A REFERENDUM PETITION NOT RECALL. MY APOLOGIES. THIS IS ONLY FOR RECALL, CORRECT? NOT IN MY TENURE. WE HAVEN'T HAD A RECALL, BUT WE I KNOW, I REMEMBER WE HAD A REFERENDUM A LONG, A LONG TIME AGO. OKAY.

SECTION 8.04 AMENDMENT OF PETITIONS IN CASE ANY PETITION IS FOUND TO BE INSUFFICIENT, THE CLERK SHALL NOTIFY THE COMMITTEE OF THE PETITIONERS AND THE PETITION MAY BE AMENDED WITHIN TEN DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF NOTICE. THE CLERK SHALL, WITHIN FIVE DAYS AFTER SUCH AN AMENDMENT HAS BEEN FILED, REEXAMINE THE PETITION AND IF IT IS STILL INSUFFICIENT, THE PETITION SHALL BE REJECTED AND NO FURTHER ACTION TAKEN THEREON. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ARTICLE NINE. GENERAL PROVISIONS. OATH OF OFFICE. SORRY. SECTION 9.01 OATH OF OFFICE. EVERY OFFICER IN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY SHALL, BEFORE ENTERING UPON HIS DUTIES, TAKE AND SUBSCRIBE TO THE FOLLOWING OATH OR AFFIRMATION TO BE FILED AND KEPT IN THE OFFICE OF THE CLERK. I SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE STATE OF OHIO, AND WILL OBEY THE LAWS THEREOF, AND THAT I WILL IN ALL RESPECTS OBSERVE THE PROVISIONS OF THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY, AND WILL FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF BLANK UPON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

SECTION. ANTHONY, YOU WANT TO PICK UP? SECTION 9.02 OFFICIAL BOND. ALL OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY WHOSE DUTIES REQUIRE THEM TO HANDLE OR BE CONCERNED WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF ITS MONEY

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GREAT WAY TO PICK UP. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SECTION? IT'S A LARGE COMMITTEE.

YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. IS THAT WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT DESERVES DISCUSSION. IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY LARGE COMMITTEE TO ME, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WHEN IT WAS CHANGED OR UPDATED IN 17, WHAT THE REASONING WAS BEHIND THAT. THIS IS THE TEMPLATE THAT WE USED THE LAST TIME WE HAD TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH BOARD. COUNCIL MEMBER. WAS THAT BECAUSE WE HAD LESS COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOW WE HAVE MORE. WE DID INDEED HAVE LESS COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOW WE HAVE MORE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS A STRUGGLE WITH SCHEDULES TO GET A GOOD NUMBER IN THE ROOM, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. SO THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD NOT LOOK AT THE FACT THAT TWO MEMBERS TIMES SEVEN IS ALREADY A 14 MEMBER COMMITTEE. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD START THIS. AND I THINK ALSO THE DIFFERENCE IN COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVEN IF WE CHOSE NOT TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS, HAVING TWO BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THREE BY THE MAYOR, DEPENDING ON THE PATH AND THE CHANGES MADE WITHIN THE OTHER PIECES OF THIS DOCUMENT WITH THE MAYOR OR THE POTENTIAL FORM OF GOVERNMENT, I THINK WE SHOULD IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCE IN THREE VERSUS TWO. SO THOSE WOULD BE MY CALLOUTS. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SECTION 905 COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL REFERENCES HEREIN TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SHALL BE HERE AND AFTER REFERRED TO AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. THAT'S SHORT AND SWEET. I'M FINISHED HERE. SO ARTICLE TEN TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS UNDER ARTICLE TEN, SECTIONS 10.01 THROUGH 10.07 WERE REMOVED. 1107 17 SECTION 1008. WHEN CHARTER TAKES EFFECT, THIS CHARTER SHALL BE VOTED UPON AT THE GENERAL ELECTION HELD ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 1958. IF APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THE CHARTER SHALL GO INTO EFFECT ON JULY 1ST, 1959, FOR THE PURPOSE OF NOMINATING CANDIDATES FOR THE FIRST CITY ELECTION HEREUNDER. THE FIRST ELECTION OF MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN UNDER THIS CHARTER SHALL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER THE 3RD, 1959. THE COUNCILMAN AT LARGE AND THE COUNCILMAN FROM WARDS ONE AND THREE SHALL BE ELECTED FOR TERMS OF TWO YEARS, WHILE THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCILMAN FROM WARDS TWO AND FOUR SHALL BE ELECTED FOR TERMS

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THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. SO. LET'S START WITH ARTICLE ONE, WHICH WE HAVE ONLY ONE THING. START AN ARTICLE ONE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT. IN IN THE MOST SIMPLISTIC FORM THIS IS AN EASY LIFT. IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT OF THIS DOCUMENT, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MISS HAWK, IF I MAY. JUST A CORRECTION, I WAS INCORRECT. ONLY OUR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE ARE PART TIME SEASONAL FOLKS. DO NOT TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST WRITING THAT. WHEN WE COME BACK TO THIS SECTION, I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION. SO JUST.

SORRY I ASKED KIM. SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING. SO, SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE DETAILED HERE? NO, NO. YEAH. OKAY. BUT GOOD TO KNOW. GOOD INFORMATION. SECTION ONE FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT IS, IS OBVIOUSLY CLEANLY CHANGED. IF WE'RE IF WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT THAT THAT PARTICULAR SENTENCE ONLY BECOMES AS KNOWN AS THE COUNCIL MANAGER PLAN VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE IN WRITING HERE. THE NEXT SECTION. AND AGAIN, I ASPIRATIONALLY WE ARE HERE TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH A DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT WE WOULD THEN TURN OVER TO MR. SMITH FOR HIS COUNSEL ON HOW BEST TO ADVANCE A DISCUSSION ON THAT DRAFT DOCUMENT. SO AND THAT'S PART ONE, AND PART TWO IS TO DISCUSS WHAT A TIMELINE WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND IN TERMS OF IF WE WERE GOING TO BRING THAT DECISION TO COUNCIL, WHAT WHAT WOULD BE GOOD TIMING. BECAUSE IF COUNCIL DOES VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO ADVANCE THIS DISCUSSION TO A REFERENDUM OF OUR CITIZENS, WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO. OH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW THINGS GO TO THE BALLOT AND HOW IT WORKS IS EVERY ODD NUMBER. YEAR IS A MUNICIPAL ELECTION YEAR, IN WHICH CASE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR PART OF THE BALLOT ISSUE. IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD HIT ONE OF THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION CYCLES. WE COULD ALSO HIT THE PRIMARIES, BUT WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL ON TIMING, BECAUSE IF YOU WOULD PASS THIS, LET'S SAY IN MARCH, WE MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO HIT THAT SWEET SPOT WHERE IT'S I THINK IT'S 90 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION. THERE'S A WINDOW THAT WE NEED TO HIT SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT ELECTION WE HIT IN. IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE'D HIT A MUNICIPAL ELECTION WHERE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR PART OF IT, BUT IT COULD BE A PRIMARY, WHICH ISN'T AS EXPENSIVE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE WHEN YOU WANT THE CHANGES TO GO IN EFFECT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, AS WE KNOW AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, IF YOU WERE TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, IT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL AFTER THE CURRENT MAYOR'S TERM HAS EXPIRED. SO ALL THOSE KIND OF HAVE TO FACTOR IN. BUT ONCE WE HAVE AN IDEA AS TO WHAT YEAR WE WANT THIS TO START, WE CAN WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT SWEET SPOT IS. SO WE HIT THE RIGHT ELECTION CYCLE.

SO RETURNING THEN TO ARTICLE TWO. THERE YOU GO. I DON'T HAVE IT ALL UP THERE. I WASN'T I GOT RID OF THE REST OF IT. I DO THAT YOU DID GOOD JOB. WHAT WHAT ARE WE.

WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE ON THE END? YEAH. WE CAN'T GO BACK THAT FAR. STEVEN'S TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE VERY BEGINNING. I'VE GOT YOU. AND WE GOT RID OF THE PAGES YOU ALREADY READ ON THE SCREEN. SO NO MATTER HOW MUCH I KEEP FLIPPING BACK, WE DON'T GET THERE, YOU KNOW, 20 PAGES DOWN,

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YES, ABSOLUTELY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I HAVE A SIMILAR VIEWPOINT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

ANTHONY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS AGAIN, WE LOOK BACK THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME, THE MAJORITY DID PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATION OF A COUNCIL CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

SURE. WE COULD SAY, WELL, ONCE YOU PULL EVERYBODY TOGETHER, EVERYBODY DID AGREE THAT SOME CHANGE IS NECESSARY. BUT AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THESE OF THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WE TASKED WITH THIS ENDEAVOR THROUGH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY HAD THROUGH THEIR OWN RESEARCH, RESEARCH THAT THEY HAD, THE MAJORITY DID COME BACK WITH THE CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

AND ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE FEEDBACK THAT I HAVE HEARD ON THIS TOPIC AS WELL, ALSO SUPPORTS THAT, AND I, I, I REALLY DO AGREE AND THINK IT IS FRUSTRATING WHEN WE CONTINUE TO GO AGAINST THE MAJORITY. THAT SEEMS TO BE A COMMON THEME. WHILE WE COULD CERTAINLY MAKE CHANGES, CHANGE POWERS, I KNOW THAT THE EDUCATION PIECE IS GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY DIFFICULT. NOT NECESSARILY, BUT MAYBE THERE IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE TO BE AN EDUCATION PIECE IF WE SIMPLY TOOK THE PATH OF KEEPING A MAYOR'S ROLE THAT IS ELECTED BY THE COMMUNITY. BUT THE THAT ROLE HAS NO POWERS OR VERY MUCH SHIFTED OF POWERS THAN WHAT HAS BEEN OVER THE LAST CALL IT WHAT

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GREAT. THANK YOU. WELL, I GUESS I FEEL THE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. I'M WE'RE WE'RE SPINNING AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THIS SUBJECT AND, AND I KIND OF WANT TO GET US TO A JUMPING OFF POINT FOR FUTURE CONVERSATION IF WE, IF WE WENT BACK THROUGH OUR NOTES. HISTORICALLY, WE WERE AT SORT OF A STANDOFF IN TERMS OF DO WE CHANGE THE THINGS WE THINK ARE BROKEN, OR DO WE TAKE THE QUESTION OF FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE VOTERS? CAN ONE ONE BATCH OF CHANGES ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING RAISED BY THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, OR SHOULD WE BE TAKING THE FULL PICTURE TO THE VOTERS OF WHAT THAT TRANSITION SHOULD LOOK LIKE? MR. BERRY AND MR. HOLT AND I, AT A SESSION, WERE CHARGED WITH GOING AWAY AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. WHAT WOULD THE WHAT WOULD THE CHANGES LOOK LIKE. AND, AND I, I REALLY FEEL THAT THE REPORT THAT WE CAME BACK WITH AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WAS JUST HOW WE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO TAKE THE DECISION TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE WERE GOING TO TAKE A STAB AT FIXING THINGS, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL GO FOR THE WHOLE BALL OF WAX AND GET IT FIXED LIKE THAT. IF WE HAVE TO SAY, WE HOPE THAT THESE CHANGES WILL HELP WITH THE BALANCE OF POWER IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THEN WE SHOULD REALLY BE ASKING THEM THE FULL QUESTION, WHICH IS HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, AND HERE IS HOW WE BELIEVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT HELPS TO ADDRESS THOSE THOSE ISSUES. THAT SAID, WE ARE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WE ALL HAVE A FRONT ROW SEAT TO THE PROCESS. WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE A GROUP OF CITIZENS THAT WE DID PULL TOGETHER FROM, FROM VOLUNTEERS IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY PREPARED A REPORT FOR US, AND THE REASON THAT WE EMBARKED ON THIS READ THROUGH OF THE CHARTER IS NOT TO DEFAULT TO THE STATUS QUO. IT IS THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE OF PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT OF THIS DOCUMENT THAT WOULD BRING THOSE CHANGES TO LIFE, FOR THIS IS THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME SAYING THESE ARE THE THIS IS IN THE TEXT OF OUR CHARTER, WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING CHANGES AND WHERE WE WANT TO SUGGEST TO VOTERS THAT THEY CAST THEIR VOTE THEIR OPINION OF WHAT OUR FUTURE SHOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO. AND AGAIN, NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT WE ARE WE'RE WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY SIT WITH RELATED WITH RELATION TO FORM OF GOVERNMENT. THERE'S SO MANY OTHER PIECES OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ACTUAL DRAFT TO, TO TAKE TO VOTERS. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE UP HERE TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE LIMITED AT THIS POINT. WE'VE GIVEN THIS A READ THROUGH.

WE HAVE SECTIONS THAT WE'VE STARTED. YOU CAN SEE IN OUR MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 16TH

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MEMBERS LINDA, RITCHIE AND ROACH. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRINTED REPORT THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF US. AND I AGREE. ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO HAD THEIR OPINIONS, AND IT WASN'T AS CLEAR AS WHAT THE REPORT IS. I THINK THE ONES THAT YOU MENTIONED, RITCHIE AND ROACH JUST NOW, CERTAINLY WERE IN FAVOR OF THE STRONG MAYOR COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIVE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND THEY HAVE THAT LISTED THERE. I, I DON'T I MEAN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FROM ZEMAMRA SAGALA PARKES, CANCER FREE, SAYING THAT THEY WERE CONFUSED ABOUT THE PREFERENCE THAT THEY SHARED. THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THE COMMENTARY THAT MR. FREE PUT TOGETHER, WHICH WAS NOT THAT REPORT. THEY MEANING ALL OF THOSE MEMBERS. NO IT WAS. SEGALA AND MR. ROACH AND MR. LINDER. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT REPORT FROM MR. FREE WAS POST POST THIS OKAY. WELL IT WAS JUST A COMMENTARY THAT HE WAS FREE TO, TO PRESENT OR PUBLISH, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS REPORT IN THE WHOLE COMMITTEE. AND SINCE THEN OTHERS HAVE COME FORWARD AS WELL. AND THROUGH THESE WORKSHOP SESSIONS HAVE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. I, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO AND I DON'T WANT TO MISQUOTE, BUT I KNOW OTHERS HAVE ATTENDED MEETINGS AND PROVIDED THEIR OWN SIMILAR REPORTS. I THINK IT JUST GOES TO SAY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY CHARTER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S A LOT OF EDUCATION. BUT BACK TO THE POINT, WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, ARE WE GOING TO PUT PATCHES ON IT AND LIPSTICK ON A PIG? SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, OR ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES AND SEE WHAT OUR RESIDENTS LIKE? AND IF I COULD ADD ONE OTHER COMMENT, THE TREND OF GOING TO A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS REALLY NOT STATEWIDE. MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THAT WHEN I GOT THE RESULTS FROM THE OHIO MAYORS ALLIANCE, LIKE 39% WERE STILL STRONG MAYOR. SO THE TREND IS HERE. IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN GAHANNA. DON'T REMEMBER IF PICKERINGTON WAS ONE, BUT I THINK HERE IT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CHANGED RECENTLY. BUT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THAT'S NOT THE TREND. MAYOR. I WOULD JUST DISAGREE IN TERMS OF IT WAS JUST COVERED BY AXIOS IN RECENT WEEKS. THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW MODERN CITIES HAVE MOST FREQUENTLY BEEN ADOPTING THIS COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE LITTLE THE LITTLE ONES AND THE BIGGEST ONES ARE HOLDING ON TO THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. BUT THAT BUT THAT IT IS A TREND AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN I WANT TO JUST PUMP THE BRAKES HERE BECAUSE WE ARE BELABORING POINTS THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN MAKING, INCLUDING THOSE OF US WHO ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CONVERSATION. MAYOR. SO THIS IS NOT AN INDICTMENT OF YOU, BUT WE'VE WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, THIS THIS EXERCISE THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH WITH WAS OUR INTENTIONAL READ THROUGH AND DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED. AND BY WE, I MEAN COUNCIL, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I BELIEVE IT WOULD NEED TO LEAD TO A PIECE OF LEGISLATION, AS MR. SMITH JUST ADDRESSED, IN ORDER TO FOR EVEN THIS BODY TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND THAT FORWARD MOVEMENT JUST INVOLVES HOW DO WE GET IT TO BE IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS? WE HAVE A WE HAVE A LONG, LONG WAY TO GO, BUT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE IF WE KEEP WANTING TO BACKPEDAL TO SQUARE ONE. IN THIS DISCUSSION, COUNCIL IS WANTING TO LOOK FORWARD, HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE LED IN THE FUTURE. AND I REALLY JUST WANT TO SEE US KEEP OUR EMPHASIS ON THAT AND ALL OF US NOT DREDGE UP THE HISTORY OF THIS. WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE VERY

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BUT NOW WE'RE IN DISCUSSION OF THAT. BUT WHATEVER THE MY I'VE GOT A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING DOWN THIS ROAD. AND MY ONE THING IS, IS I DON'T MIND PUTTING ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AND LETTING THE VOTERS DECIDE, THAT'S THAT'S FINE. I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT. UP OR DOWN. THEY DECIDE. SAME THING WITH THE REC CENTER, SAME THING WITH ANY TAX INCREASE OR WHATEVER THEY DECIDE AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO IT'S I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT. THE BUT I CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THE I'VE GONE THROUGH A HUGE EFFORT IN SURVEYING PEOPLE AND EVERYTHING. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT THAT MAYBE THE COUNCIL HAS THAT THE VOTERS DON'T HAVE THAT NEED TO, THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED IN THIS PROCESS. AND THE I IT'S NOT AS EASY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE READY TO GO DO THIS OR WHATEVER? I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD. AND I DIDN'T HEAR THEM EITHER UNTIL I ASKED. I ASKED AS FAR AS SURVEY AND EVERYTHING. SO AM I OKAY WITH ASKING THE VOTERS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO? YES, THAT'S FINE. I ASK THEM WHATEVER ON ANY ISSUE. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. BUT I'M I'M JUST LETTING EVERYBODY, LETTING THE COUNCIL KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, OF ISSUES OUT THERE THAT I THINK WE'RE NOT RECOGNIZING THAT THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT IN THIS PROCESS. AND THERE'S SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO, I MEAN, AM I OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD, GIVING THE VOTERS SOMETHING TO VOTE ON? FINE. BUT I'M JUST I'VE LEARNED A LOT OVER THE LAST THREE WEEKS.

AND PEOPLE ARE VERY FORTHRIGHT AND WHAT THEY SAY AND OF COURSE, THE PEOPLE THAT ANSWER SURVEYS ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY MORE ENGAGED THAN OTHERS. SO MY NEXT STEP IS GOING DOOR TO DOOR TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY THINK. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I REALLY DO THINK THERE'S SOME ISSUES OUT THERE THAT THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING AS A COUNCIL OR MAYBE WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT AS A COUNCIL. SO WILL I SUPPORT PUTTING SOMETHING BEFORE THE VOTERS? SURE. I MEAN, I'LL PUT ANYTHING IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS AND LET THEM DECIDE. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, JODY, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S AN EDUCATIONAL THING HERE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE EVEN DOING THIS. THEY THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A MAYOR. THEY DON'T. BUT YET THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MAYOR ACTUALLY DOES OR DOESN'T DO OR ANYTHING. SO THERE'S A HUGE COMMUNICATION GAP HERE. SO I'M JUST SAYING MOVING FORWARD, WE'VE GOT THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE ON THIS AND EDUCATION TO BE DONE AND LISTENING TO PEOPLE. A LOT OF TIMES I ALWAYS SAY WE ALWAYS HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE THE MOST VOCAL. WE DON'T HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT, THAT ARE JUST LIVING THEIR DAILY LIVES AND GOING AND GOING ON EVERY DAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I MENTIONED IT TO MY BROTHER. I MEAN, HE'S VERY ASTUTE AND EVERYTHING, AND HE'S VERY HIGH UP IN THE GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING. I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT AND HE SAID, WELL, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S

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WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THE WORK AND WE WANT TO WE'RE BUT I MEAN, THERE'S SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT SHOULD BE WORKED OUT, LIKE THIS ISSUE OF HAVING A MAYOR. PEOPLE INHERENTLY LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING A MAYOR. IT'S I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF OUR COMMUNITY. OR MAYBE IT'S THE AGE OF MY WARD, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE TOO. YOU KNOW, I I'VE GOT A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE, BUT YET I'VE GOT A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE. WE WOULD STILL HAVE A MAYOR. YEAH. SAYING THAT THERE'S A WE WOULD WE WOULD STILL HAVE A MAYOR. THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS TO GO. YES. THE PURPOSE OF MY VOTE IS I MEAN, WE CAN'T CHANGE THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT NOT KNOWING WHAT THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION IS. WE CAN'T MAKE ANY WE CAN'T. THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS THE DETAILS OF HOW THAT WORKS IN HERE, BUT YOU CAN'T START OUT CHANGING THIS DOCUMENT, NOT KNOWING WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF MY VOTE. SO WE CAN AT LEAST SAY WE'RE NOW GOING TO CHANGE THE DOCUMENT WITH THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT, AS THIS PROPOSED, PROPOSED. AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE A PRESIDENT, A COUNCIL. THAT'S THE MAYOR, VICE PRESIDENT COUNCIL, THAT'S A MAYOR. WHAT IS THE MAYOR? WHAT ARE THE TERMS. WHEN IS IT EFFECTIVE AND ALL THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T START TALKING ABOUT THAT STUFF UNTIL YOU FIRST DECIDE WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE THIS. SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF MY SUPPORT VOTE OKAY. ARE YOU READY TO CALL THE VOTE? WHAT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IF WE PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT AND WE CHANGE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE CHARTER AND THEN IT FAILS? DO WE FALL BACK ON WHAT'S NOW WRITTEN, OR DO WE GO WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE HAD PROPOSED, BUT BECAUSE, SAY, A MAJORITY DON'T WANT TO CHANGE TO IF IT WERE TO BE VOTED DOWN MR. DO, THEN WE WOULD REVERT BACK TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. THANK YOU.

OR STAY WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE OR WOULDN'T BE A REVERSION. BUT YEAH, IT WOULD NOT CHANGE. SO, MADAM CHAIR, DO YOU LOOK AT THIS, STEPHEN, AS BEING ONE ONE VOTE OR SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. THERE WAS 4 OR 5 VOTES, I APOLOGIZE. POINT OF ORDER, MADAM CHAIR.

YES, WE HAVE A QUESTION. QUESTION ON THE FLOOR. AND WE ARE BE ASKING QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION. YES, PLEASE. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE QUESTION. QUESTION ON THE FLOOR IS SHALL THERE BE A. DRAFT CREATED OF THE CHARTER THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT TO CHANGE IT, TO SAY CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD BE THE DIRECTION TAKEN AT THIS POINT? HEARING NONE. I'LL CALL THE VOTE. MISS BURROWS. YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. HOUK. YES. HOLT.

YES. MARY. YES. DO. YES. AND IF I MAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. BERRY, THE FORM IN WHICH WE SUBMIT THIS TO THE VOTERS, WHEN WE ULTIMATELY GET TO THAT STEP, IT'S MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE PROBABLY MULTIPLE ISSUES JUST BECAUSE SOME WOULD BE MAJOR CHANGES, SOME WOULD BE MINOR CLEANUP, AND WE WOULD TRY TO LUMP THEM TOGETHER LIKE WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. THAT USUALLY REQUIRES TAMMY AND I WORKING WITH THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO KIND OF FIGURE ALL THAT OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A ONE AND DONE TYPE THING. BUT IT IT COULD BE. BUT THAT GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING. WELL, THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE MR. DU'S QUESTIONS ARE VALID.

THEN IF THEY VOTE FOR ONE, DOES HOW DOES IT AFFECT TWO AND 3 OR 4? YEAH. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS, AT LEAST TRADITIONALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THESE ELECTIONS WORK, WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE CHARTER CHANGES, IS WHATEVER YOU VOTE ON ONE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE ON TWO, AT LEAST THAT'S TRADITIONALLY HOW IT'S GONE. BUT YEAH, WE COULD HAVE A GREAT MESS WHERE PEOPLE VOTE YES ON SOMETHING AND NO ON SOMETHING, AND THEY'RE COMPLETELY CONTRADICTORY. THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND FIGURE IT OUT. SO THOSE WILL ALL WOULD NOT BE THE GOAL. THOSE WILL ALL COME TO YOU AND YOU'LL DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO SEND IT TO THE VOTERS.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WE'RE ABOUT READY TO BE OUT OF TIME THIS EVENING. I APPRECIATE THE TIME INVESTED IN VERY INTENTIONALLY. WE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS AT 530 BEFORE

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WELL, NO, I WILL SHOW IT IF I COULD, MADAM. MAYOR, CAN YOU PULL UP THE VIDEO ON KINGSTON AVENUE? YEAH. WHAT WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH IS WE'RE OUT OF SPACE AND OUR PARKS DIRECTOR HAS BEEN WORKING ON DIFFERENT POSSIBLE WAYS TO FIND OPERATING AREAS TO CONTINUE OUR PARKS PROGRAMS AND TO ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS TO BE INTRODUCED. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT MAKES YOU COME ALIVE WITH THE SITUATION WE'RE IN IS OUR KINGSTON AVENUE LOCATION. AND TODD WAS KIND ENOUGH TO SHOOT A QUICK VIDEO, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO BE REMINDED AS TO WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES THAT WE'RE OPERATING WITH THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE. I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE VIDEOS HERE. ONE IS THE KINGSTON TOUR AND ONE IS THE BROOK PARK.

SO DO YOU. WHICH DO YOU WANT FIRST? KINGSTON FIRST? YES. OKAY. BECAUSE THE QUESTION IS WHAT ALTERNATIVES DO WE HAVE TO CONTINUE OUR PROGRAMS AND POSSIBLY TAKE AWAY OUR WAIT LIST, WHICH WE HAVE FOR SOME PROGRAMS. SO THIS IS KINGSTON AVENUE AS YOU COME INTO IT. I JUST I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, NOT ALL, BUT IT'S NOT ONE OF THE BEST SITUATIONS TO BE INTO. IT'S A BUILT IN 1950, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. THE THING THAT I WANT TO I'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU PAY MOST ATTENTION TO IS A CLASSROOM THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE OVER THERE. I THINK, JACK, WE HAVE TWO CLASSROOMS OR THREE, BUT WE HAVE TWO CLASSROOMS, AND THEN ONE IS PRIMARILY SET UP FOR PARK SPACE. SO THREE TOTAL AND A SMALL GYM. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THIS IS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WE ALSO HAVE AVAILABLE TO OUR PUBLIC, THE KIND OF QUARTERS THAT WE ARE USING AS OUR CLASSROOM SPACE AND SO FORTH. THE SIZE OF THE ROOM, I THINK, IS ABOUT 60% OF THE ROOMS AT BROOK PARK. DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? THE TWO ROOMS IN KINGSTON ARE APPROXIMATELY 600FT■!S. THIS IS THE SECOND ONE. AS YOU CAN TELL THE VIDEO, IT'S CLEAR. OH, IF YOU WANT TO TURN AROUND, THIS VIDEO IS CLEAR UP HERE. OH, YEAH. THIS IS FOR SOME REASON IT'S PIXELATED ON YOUR SMALLER SCREENS.

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WHAT IS THAT? MAYBE TWO AND A HALF TIMES KINGSTON. THAT GYMNASIUM THE KINGSTON GYM DOES NOT EVEN HOLD ONE FULL SIZE PICKLEBALL COURT. JUST TO GIVE YOU A COMPARISON, THIS ONE CAN HANDLE THREE FULL SIZE PICKLEBALL. THE CAFETERIA IS WHAT THEY HAVE CONVERTED INTO THE REGISTRATION AREA. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT, THEY HAD TO HAVE A ROOM FOR OR AN AREA FOR CHILDREN, AND SO THEY PUT IN PLAY AREAS.

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WENT THROUGH, I THINK IT WAS OCTOBER WE WENT THROUGH SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE. AND THAT PARTICULAR CLASSROOM ACTUALLY HAS AN EXIT TO THE BACK DOOR, WHICH IS A WIDER EXIT THAN THE FRONT DOOR, THE WIDER ENTRANCE. SO THE CLASSROOMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE COMING UP HERE. MAKE AVAILABLE. AND THE EXPENSE THAT IS OUTLINED IN THE MEMO FROM JACK, I THINK EVERYTHING COMBINED WAS LIKE $47,000, INCLUDING STAFF THAT INCLUDED STAFF USE FOR A PART TIME STAFF THAT IT'S 27,500 FOR, FOR OPERATING AND GETTING IT UP AND RUNNING THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S ONE OF THE ROOMS THAT THEY HAD HAD CONVERTED AND QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAW. OKAY. WE WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS THROUGH THIS. OR SHOULD WE WAIT ONLY IF IT'S RELATIVE TO THE DECISION? YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU, JACK, IS THIS DO YOU THINK WE NEED THIS SPACE AT BROOK PARK? WE NEED INDOOR PROGRAMING SPACE. YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY CAN ONLY OFFER TWO CLASSES AT A TIME. THAT'S NOT MUCH. OUR COMMUNITY HAS MANY

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AND. AND THEY'RE NOT VERY DIVERSE. SO WE NEED TO HAVE MORE SPACE IN ORDER TO OFFER MORE DIVERSE PROGRAMS. ONE OF THESE ROOMS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS 6 TO 8 ROOMS IN HERE, AND THEY'RE ALL 800 TO 1200 SQUARE FEET. SO THEY ARE LARGER THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN. AND OTHER THAN THE FUNDS THAT WERE OUTLINED IN JACKSONVILLE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON SPENDING ANY MORE MONEY OVER THERE. MR. JACK, WHEN DID YOU BECOME SO KEENLY AWARE THAT YOU WERE OUT OF SPACE? WE'VE KNOWN THIS FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, SINCE I SINCE I GOT HERE IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, RECOGNIZED PRETTY QUICKLY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO FACILITIES WE RELY ON SOUTHWESTERN FOR A LOT OF OUR SPACE NEEDS IN THE RECREATIONAL AREA, BUT WE ALSO JUST USE.

KINGSTON AS EVIDENCE THERE FOR SOME CLASSES, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH. AND SO WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, INCLUDING VACANT WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS AS WELL. AND YOU WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS? IF YOU HAD THE FORESIGHT TO KNOW THAT YOU HAD THIS A LONG TIME AGO, THIS PROBLEM. TO IN THE BUDGET FOR OPERATING FOR MORE SPACE? YEAH, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO GO. I'M JUST I'M JUST GOING BACK TO YOUR PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. YOU HADN'T PLANNED OF RUNNING OUT OF SPACE RIGHT NOW. WELL, THEY DID HAVE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. WE REMOVED IT. YEAH, WE DID NOT. SO WE KNOW THAT WE'RE SHORT OF SPACE AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S A IT'S A PROBLEM AND IT'S A CONCERN THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS IT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. ARE THESE PROGRAMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW PROGRAMS, EXPANSION OF EXISTING, OR WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WHAT WE HAVE NOW. I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH OF THOSE NEW PROGRAMS AND EXPANDING WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THANK YOU. SO, MADAM CHAIR, THE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THESE VIDEOS IS, NUMBER ONE, LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A SQUEEZE ON SPACE. AND JACK, YOU DIDN'T MENTION WE DID HAVE A PRETTY IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION ON THE BOUNCE HOUSE OR WHATEVER IT WAS AS AN ALTERNATIVE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. SO THAT TO TRY TO FIND THAT GAP AND AGAIN, THE GAP IS THIS IS NOT A COMMUNITY CENTER. IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER. IT IS. HOW DO YOU TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN AND SHOULD BE OFFERING FROM THE TIME THAT TODAY, UNTIL THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS AVAILABLE? OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR JACK. WE GOT LAST COUNCIL MEETING. WE HAD SOMEBODY THAT CAME IN AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF BROOK PARK, BUT THEY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT AIR NOT BEING AVAILABLE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THAT BUILDING.

SO WHAT PARTS WOULD WE USE AND WOULD THOSE PARTS CONTAIN AIR CONDITIONING? SO THERE THERE IS TWO FULL SIZE ROOMS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE FULLY AIR CONDITIONED. SO ONE OF THOSE WE WOULD HAVE FULL ACCESS TO AT ALL TIMES. THE OTHER ONE. DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, IS USED BY SOUTHWESTERN FOR THEIR PALS PROGRAM. AND WE WOULD HAVE ACCESS AFTER 5 P.M. AND ON WEEKENDS. WITH THAT. THE REST OF THE ROOMS ARE NOT AIR CONDITIONED. IN THE IN THE LITTLE PROPOSAL, YOU SEE THAT I DID SAY THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE PORTABLE WATERLESS AIR CONDITIONING UNITS FOR EACH ROOM. THANK YOU. IF I COULD, MADAM CHAIR, ONE OTHER THING IN THE PROPOSAL THAT I PUT IN THE RESOLUTION IS THE FACT THAT THIS SCHOOL HAS BEEN USED.

BROOK PARK, BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I WONDER IF WE CAN HAVE LIEUTENANT STERN GIVE AN OUTLINE OF WHAT THEY'VE USED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT. LIEUTENANT STERN, ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. CAN YOU COME FORWARD? HELLO, HELLO. HELLO, MR. MAYOR. THANKS FOR THE INVITE. CITY COUNCIL. THANKS. HELLO. HELLO. SO, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW ME, I'M JASON STERN. I'M A LIEUTENANT WITH GROVE CITY, AND I'M IN CHARGE OF THE SUPPORT SERVICES BUREAU, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE COMMANDERS FOR OUR TACTICAL TEAM. LET ME JUST KEEP TALKING OR IT'S ALL

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YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT MISSING KIDS OR GETTING TO AREAS WHERE WE CAN'T GET TO EASILY. I'M THINKING ABOUT A CASE WE HAD LAST YEAR WHERE THERE WAS A CAR CRASH. TRAGIC SITUATION. THE ONE INDIVIDUAL WAS RECOVERED WITH A DRONE OPERATION FROM COUNTY SHERIFFS. SO THANK YOU FOR THE FOR THE SUPPORT IN OUR OUR PROGRAMS. WHAT ELSE CAN I ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LIEUTENANT STERN? I'M HAPPY TO HELP. OH GO AHEAD OKAY. SO YOU'RE YOU WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING? YES. A GOOD COMMUNITY PARTNER TO ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. WE ARE BEYOND BLESSED WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, FOR SURE. IN FACT, I TALKED TO THEM FREQUENTLY, WHETHER IT'S SCHOOL THREAT RELATED ISSUES, TRAINING RELATED ISSUES, AND IF YOU TALK TO FOLKS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF GROVE CITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTHWESTERN BUBBLE, WE ARE BLESSED. THEY'RE JUST SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE CITY IN GENERAL, BUT ESPECIALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO YEAH, WE WORKED WITH THEM. ED KENNEDY WAS THE ON SITE MANAGER THAT WE WORKED WITH THE MOST, AND HE WAS JUST TREMENDOUS. THERE WERE SOME LOGISTICAL THINGS WE WERE JUGGLING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO SCARE THE PEOPLE WHEN WE'RE TRAINING WITH. BUT YOU STILL HAVE AN OPEN DOOR TO USE IT ANYTIME YOU NEED TO. THANK YOU. LIEUTENANT, I JUST WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, SIR, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO TO SERVE ALL OF US IN THIS COMMUNITY. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. REALLY BIG ON TRAINING. HAD A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, SORT OF SIMILAR TO JODY'S, MRS. BURROWS, FIRST QUESTION YOU'VE DONE HAVE YOU DONE TRAINING AT OTHER SCHOOLS WITHIN THE DISTRICT? YES, SIR. IS THAT LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF YOUR TACTICAL TRAINING, BUT. AND YOU'VE NEVER HAD ANY RESISTANCE USING ANY OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE WE'RE HYPER SENSITIVE. I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU BRING, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF EQUIPMENT AND GEAR AND DUDES RUNNING DOWN A HALLWAY THAT CAN CAN MAKE PEOPLE NERVOUS, OF COURSE. SO WE TYPICALLY DO IT OFF HOURS, SUMMERTIME BREAK TIMES. WE'VE USED CENTRAL CROSSINGS ATTIC BEFORE, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE NEAT FACILITIES WHERE WE CAN TURN ALL OF THE LIGHTS OUT AND WE CAN TEST ALL OF OUR GEAR IN TOTAL DARKNESS. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY NEAT. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER RECENT EXAMPLES THAT WOULD BE GOOD, I GUESS. WHAT WHAT SEPARATES THE BROOK PARK FACILITY FROM SOME OF THE OTHERS WAS OUR ABILITY TO USE SIMUNITION TRAINING. SO FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT SIMUNITION IS, IT'S BASICALLY PAINTBALL THAT YOU USE WITH THE WITH THE WEAPONS THAT YOU CARRY. SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT FOR SURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE, MR. BERRY? YEAH.

JACK, COULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? ARE YOU. THANK YOU. LIEUTENANT, I DONE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO, JACK. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS IF HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER ANY OTHER FACILITIES AS FAR AS WHERE WE COULD GO AT THIS COST FOR TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE DO BUILD A REC CENTER, WE'VE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF VACANT WAREHOUSES.

WE'VE ALSO LOOKED AT EXPANDING OUR TIME IN SOUTHWESTERN FACILITIES. OKAY. BUT NONE OF THEM NONE OF THEM FIT THE BILL OR NONE OF THEM ARE. WELL, SOME OF THE WHERE THE WAREHOUSE IS OBVIOUSLY COME WITH A HEFTY PRICE TAG. WE'RE NOT UNDER CURRENT LEASE WITH THOSE, AND SO THERE WOULD BE UPFRONT EXPENSE NOT ONLY TO LEASE THE FACILITY, BUT THEN ALSO TO INVEST IN THE

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YOU THINK OCTOBER, NOVEMBER OR NEXT SESSION WOULD START IN EARLY NOVEMBER. AND SO TO CUE UP THE STAFF AND TO ADVERTISE AND ALL THAT NEEDS THIS KIND OF LEAD TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WE HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SOUTHWESTERN PUBLIC LIBRARY SYSTEM. RIGHT. THEY'VE BEEN FORCED TO CLOSE EARLY BECAUSE THEIR LEVY FAILED. RIGHT. WOULDN'T THIS BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO USE SPACE IN THE LIBRARY FOR SOME OF THOSE CLASSROOMS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT? THEY'RE AIR CONDITIONED.

IT'S A NEWER FACILITY. IT'S RIGHT HERE. YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING WE DO THE SAME THING AT COLUMBUS METROPOLITAN LIBRARY ALL THE TIME. WE LET PEOPLE USE OUR CLASSROOMS, USE OUR MEETING ROOMS TO HAVE PROGRAMING. AND SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CREATE AND CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR LIBRARY SYSTEMS. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A SUGGESTION AND POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, MR. COUNCIL. THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YES. MR. CASTLE, WOULD YOU WOULD THIS IS THERE A THOUGHT THAT THE PROGRAMING WOULD ALL FULLY MOVE OVER TO BROOK PARK WITH SOME OF THIS MORE RECENT IDEATION? WOULD SOME PROGRAMING STILL EXIST AT KINGSTON? I THINK WE WOULD EXPAND OUR PROGRAMING. SO SOME PROGRAMING WOULD REMAIN AT KINGSTON. OKAY. WHILE THE REC SCHOOL WAS IN OPERATION, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT TOOK UP SOME SPACE AT KINGSTON AGAIN. WHEN DID THE REC SCHOOL REOPEN? SO THAT PROGRAMING SPACE BECAME AVAILABLE? I, I BELIEVE IT REOPENED IN MAY. MAY. OKAY. SO FOR THE BETTER PART OF THIS LAST YEAR, PLUS WHILE THE REC SCHOOL WAS BEING BUILT, WE WERE PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE LIMITED AT THE KINGSTON SCHOOL FOR OUR PROGRAMING THAN WE TRADITIONALLY HAVE BEEN SINCE WE STARTED USING THE KINGSTON SCHOOL, OR EVEN SAY, TWO YEARS PRECEDING. IS THAT CORRECT? CERTAINLY. SO NOW THAT THE REC SCHOOL OPENED IN MAY, WE SHOULD POTENTIALLY, AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, FOR NOVEMBER PROGRAMING, WOULD THAT GIVE US MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MAYBE NOT THE EXPANSION OR NEW PROGRAMING, BUT HELPING TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE SHUT OUTS OR WAIT LISTS THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE CURRENT PROGRAMING OVER THE PAST YEAR. WITH THE REC SCHOOL MOVING, IT DOES OPEN UP THE GYM AT NIGHT, AND AS WELL AS WE'VE WE'VE MADE IT INTO AN ART ROOM. OKAY, OKAY.

AND I THANK YOU, MR. CASTLE. I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD. I THINK I'LL JUST GO INTO MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION. BUT IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE PROGRAMING, AS A CURRENT PARENT OF SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, I HAVE BEEN HEAVILY WATCHING SOME OF THE SUMMER CAMPS AND I GIVE KUDOS TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF BECAUSE YOU OPENED UP AD WEEK LONG SUMMER CAMPS THAT KIDS COULD BE ADDED TO SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE FULL SUMMER PROGRAM. I THINK THAT WAS REALLY A GREAT OPTION THIS YEAR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE ABLE TO STILL PROGRAM THAT. SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT THERE WAS AN EXPANSION OF OFFERINGS THAT ALREADY DID OCCUR THIS SUMMER WITH OUR CURRENT RESOURCES. AND EVEN WITH THAT, I WON'T SPEAK TO THE STATISTICS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO INCORRECTLY. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE CLASSES THAT ENDED UP BEING CANCELED BECAUSE THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH STUDENTS SIGNED UP TO PARTICIPATE. IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS. SOMETIMES WE OFFER CLASSES THAT MAY NOT BE AS POPULAR AND SO THEY DON'T FILL UP. BUT ON THE OPPOSITE END, SOMETIMES WE OFFER CLASSES THAT DO FILL UP AND WE DO HAVE A WAITLIST. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, I THINK JUST TO CONTINUE WITH MY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION OF OVERTURNING THE VETO, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT BROOK PARK, THIS LEGISLATION THAT WAS VOTED ON AND PASSED BY A MAJORITY TWO WEEKS AGO DOES NOT HANDCUFF THE ADMINISTRATION. IT SIMPLY ASKS FOR COUNCIL TO BE IN THE FEEDBACK LOOP AND APPROVE ANYTHING OVER $10,000. I BELIEVE IN OTHER FEEDBACK THAT I'VE CONTINUED TO RECEIVE FROM OUR COMMUNITY, FEEL THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE IN ORDER TO BE

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AND THE AND THE ESTIMATE WE HAVE WITH 500 AND SOME THOUSAND TWO REPLACE THE ROOF. SO I THINK SOME OF THIS STUFF GETS EXAGGERATED. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO SHOW YOU VISUALLY THAT THIS FACILITY IS NOT IT'S NOT A PIECE OF JUNK AND A AND A REC FACILITY THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN IT. SO $5,000 IS WHAT WE SPENT, FOR THE RECORD. AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING, WE'LL REQUEST THE NEXT MEETING IS THE ABILITY TO SPEND 47,000 ESSENCE. RIGHT?

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THANK YOU, MR. CASTLE. THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US. THIS DISCUSSION CAME TO A HEAD AND THIS WAS ON AUGUST THE 12TH OF 2024, WHICH WAS COUNCIL'S FIRST VIEW OF WHAT WE BELIEVED WOULD BE 2025 CIP PROJECTS. AND I LOOK BACK AT THOSE MINUTES AND THE MINUTES USED. THE WORD COUNCIL WAS SHOCKED. AND I THINK THAT'S FITTING THAT THAT WE KIND OF GO BACK TO THE DAY, WHICH WAS ALMOST A YEAR AGO NOW, AND COUNCIL WAS SHOCKED. COUNCIL HAS BEEN REALLY TRYING TO ADVANCE THIS DISCUSSION SINCE. SINCE THAT TIME, THE MAYOR WAS KIND ENOUGH TO MEET WITH US AND GIVE US A TOUR OF BROOK PARK, TALK WITH US ABOUT THE TWO CIP ITEMS, ONE OF WHICH WAS MOVING THE BUILDING DIVISION, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE SOFTBALL FIELDS. THEY WERE BOTH HEFTY PRICE TAGS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE ANTICIPATED SEEING IN OUR 2025 BUDGET. WHEN WE CAME BACK TOGETHER AFTER THAT, WE IT WAS OCTOBER THE 28TH OF 2024, AND COUNCIL PRETTY MUCH LEFT THAT ROOM TALKING ABOUT THE WE WANT TO SEE A NEW AGREEMENT. WE WANT TO SEE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO BOTH SIDES TODAY, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE USE THE BEST DATA, WE HAD TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE IN THE YEAR 2019 AND NOW WE HAVE NEW DATA. SO COUNCIL WAS CONTENDING THAT WE WANTED TO SEE A NEW PLAN AND WE WANTED TO SEE A BIG PICTURE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR OUR PARKS AND OUR PUBLIC AMENITIES. AND WE WANTED TO SEE A BIG PICTURE PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH OUR STAFF WHEN WE ARE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING THE BUILDING DIVISION. AND IN 2016, PARKS AND RECREATION MOVED TO KINGSTON. FAST FORWARD IT MOVED TO KINGSTON. WE'VE DONE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SHUFFLING AROUND OF OUR TEAM TO MAKE THE MAXIMUM USE OF THE SPACE WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, AND COUNCIL WAS REALLY LOOKING FOR A MORE LONG RANGE PLAN. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OUR TEAM FOR THE LONG TERM? WHAT IS OUR TEAM GOING TO BE DOING IN THE YEAR 2060, 2075? ARE OUR RESIDENTS IN THOSE YEARS GOING TO HAVE SERVICES ALL OVER THE CITY, OR ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE A CENTRAL HUB THAT THEY CAN GO TO FOR CITY SERVICES? WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS. THIS ORDINANCE NUMBER C 2225, WAS AN EFFORT TO PUT SOME GUARDRAILS IN PLACE AND TO REALLY ENCOURAGE TO THAT DISCUSSION. MAYOR, I, I THINK IT'S RIGHT ON THE ON THE NOSE TO HAVE BROUGHT FORTH A RESOLUTION DRAFT FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION. WHEN WE'RE TOGETHER ON OUR OUR NEXT MEETING, WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME. BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS ALL THAT IS IN THIS IS COUNCIL WANTS A VOICE IN. THIS IS PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO SPENDING JUST THE STUDY FROM THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM IN TERMS OF FEASIBILITY STUDY OF THE PROPERTY WAS OVER $60,000. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE SMALL PRICE TAGS. WE WANT TO BE AS RESPONSIBLE AS WE CAN MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE BIG DREAMS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MAKE THOSE DREAMS A REALITY. SO IF THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. AND AGAIN, VOTING, WILL YOU GIVE US THE THANK YOU. YEAH. WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMEWHAT UNIQUE TO US OR WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS A LOT. THE MOTION IS TO OVERRIDE THE VETO. SO A YES MOTION WOULD OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO. JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT A YES VOTE AND THE LEGISLATION WOULD STAND IN THE IN THE IN WOULD REVERT BACK TO THE PRIOR LEGISLATION. IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT. YES. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. OKAY. SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO OVERTURN THE VETO OF C 2225. MR. WILSON. YES. HOUCK. YES. MR. HOLT? YES. MR. BERRY? NO. MR. DU. NO. MISS BURROWS. YES.

[Ordinance C-25-25 Approve a C-2 (retail commercial) Zoning Classification for 0.87+ acres located at 2139 Sonora Drive upon its annexation to the City of Grove City. Second reading and public hearing. ]

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ON THE NEXT ORDINANCE IS C 2825 TO ACCEPT THE ANNEXATION OF .831

[Ordinance C-28-25 Accept the Annexation of 0.831+ acres located at 2139 Sonora Drive. First reading.]

[Ordinance C-29-25 Accept the Plat of Autumn Grove, Section 6, Phase 2. First reading. ]

[Ordinance C-30-25 Approve a Special Use Permit for an Antenna Tower for Parkway Centre Arcadia Tower located at 1620 Buckeye Place. First reading. ]

[Ordinance C-31-25 Amend Section 1135.09(b)(12)F9(c) of the Codified Ordinances titled Retail Dispensing of Medical and Recreational Marijuana. First reading. ]

[Resolution CR-27-25 Approve a Development Plan for Ginn Drive Bungalows located at the northeast corner of Park Street and Ginn Drive within the Beulah Park Living Community.]

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. CRAIG MURDOCK OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM COME UP AND SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT. AND THEN WE DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS AS WELL. I HAVE JODY. YES. MR. HOLT, JUST CURIOUS, IS THIS FOR RENT? ARE THESE RENTAL OR SALE FOR RENT. PRODUCT FOR RENT. THANK YOU, MR. BURROWS. ESSENTIALLY JUST A QUICK, QUICK OVERVIEW. OVERVIEW. THIS IS A THREE FAMILY STRUCTURE PROPOSED PER THE ZONING TEXT FOR SUB AREA G, ONLY A 15 FOOT MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK IS SET FORTH IN THE ZONING TEXT, SO WITH THE REMAINDER OF IT WOULD BE SET BY COUNCIL TONIGHT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THE SITE WAS REALLY DEFINED BY THE ROAD SYSTEM. THIS WAS NOT DESIGNATED AS AN OPEN SPACE AREA. IT WAS NOT DESIGNATED AS RESERVED. IT WAS ZONED AS PART OF BEULAH PARK, A SUB AREA G, AND IT ALLOWS FOR MULTI-FAMILY. SO MULTI-FAMILY IS NOT OWNER OCCUPIED OR RENTER

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AND NOW I'M LOSING A LOT OF THAT. I AM AWARE THAT MUCH OF WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF RIGHT NOW IS NOTHING, THAT NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT AT THIS POINT. BUT I AM VERY UPSET THAT. AND IF YOU IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING LABELED, COLOR CODED OR DISCUSSED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE EARLIER. I CLOSED ON MY HOUSE IN 2008, JUST BEFORE THE REZONING WENT THROUGH. I WAS REPAIRING DAMAGED FLOORS WHILE IT WAS ALL HAPPENING AND HAD NO IDEA. I THINK THAT THIS DOES NOT HONOR THE HISTORY AND THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT IT'S OBNOXIOUS.

DEVELOPMENT WILL BE OBNOXIOUS. MY DOG, WHO IS A GREAT PYRENEES AND BARKS AT THE FLAP OF A BUTTERFLY'S WINGS, IS GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY MISERABLE. WHO LIVES OVER THERE? AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT CAN BE DONE, THAT THERE IS A BRICK WALL THAT IS BUILT BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY AND MINE FOR THE SAKE OF PRIVACY OF MY DAUGHTER AND MYSELF. THANK YOU. MR. BERRY. DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? YEAH, IF WE CAN, MR. MURDOCH, IF YOU COULD COME UP, PLEASE. WHAT IS THE SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE FROM ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. HOW MANY FEET? I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. IF WE HAVE SOMETHING ON. I'M SORRY. THERE'S KYLE. WHAT IS IT? 20FT. THAT'S FOR THE SETBACK FROM THE PORCH OR THE BUILDING? THAT'D BE THE BUILDING. BE THE BUILDING. SO THE PORCH IS ANOTHER TEN FEET. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF MINUTES. ABOUT THAT. 8 OR 10FT. HE'S GETTING IN THE PATIO WITHIN THE 20 FOOT SETBACK. SO THERE'S 20FT FROM THE FROM THE BUILDING OR 20FT FROM THE BUILDING TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WITHIN THAT 20 FOOT EASEMENT OR 20 FOOT SETBACK. THE PATIOS ARE IN THAT AREA OR IN THAT AREA. SO BASICALLY IT COULD BE TEN FEET NEXT. I MEAN, RIGHT NEXT TO HER IT COULD BE. YES. YEAH. THERE IS LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PATIO. AGAIN, THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA IS THE SMALLER NARROW LOTS. A LOT OF THE HOUSES ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINES WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINES. A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S DRIVEWAYS THAT CONNECT. IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THAT AREA. THE LOTS ARE NARROW, MAKES IT BETTER FOR WALKABILITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT DOESN'T DO A WHOLE LOT FOR SEPARATION OF PROPERTIES, A LOT FACING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THE BUILDINGS FACING TOWARDS THE ALLEY AGAIN, DRIVE. SO IT'S THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE IS FACING

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NOT QUITE BIG ENOUGH TO BE A REC ROOM, LET'S SAY. YOU KNOW, FIRST FLOOR HAS A MASTER AND A BATH, LAUNDRY ROOM, KITCHEN AND LIVING AREA. OKAY, SO FIRST FLOOR MASTER, AND I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY THEN PLUS TWO BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS? NO, ONE BEDROOM, ONE BEDROOM UPSTAIRS. SO MASTER BEDROOM UPSTAIRS AND A FLEX SPACE IN THE UPSTAIRS. AND THEN AND THIS ISN'T MY QUESTION FOR YOU, SO. BUT, KYLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS IN THE BEULAH PARK AREA. IS THERE ARE WE LOOKING AT HOW MANY PRODUCTS ARE TRIPLEXES VERSUS DUPLEXES VERSUS STANDALONE CONDOS VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY? DO WE HAVE? I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN AT LEAST ANOTHER TRIPLEX COME THROUGH IN MY TIME HERE. I THINK WE HAD A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT A ROSE AVENUE DUPLEX WITH A GARAGE OVER TOP, AND IT WAS ASKED TO COME BACK TO REDUCE THE DENSITY. SO I'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, DENSITY PIECE IN MY HEAD THAT I'M GRAPPLING WITH ON THIS, LET ALONE THE VINYL. AND THE OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY FAR IS PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY. HOWEVER, THIS THIS SITE IS PRETTY MUCH CONTIGUOUS TO OR IS AN EXTENSION OF GLEN DRIVE AND OTHER PRODUCTS BY THE DEVELOPER. SO IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY DISCONNECTED FROM BEULAH PARK IN A WAY THAT. IT'S ON A TRANSITIONAL AREA. I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. IT'S A TRANSITIONAL AREA BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW. SO IT'S JUST IT'S A TOUGH SITE. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. IT'S ZONED MULTIFAMILY. SO BY BY RIGHT. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO MULTIFAMILY. THE MATTER DENSITY IS REALLY THE ISSUE. IS THIS TOO DENSE. IS IT NOT TOO DENSE. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THAT'S THAT'S WE AS STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH THAT STIPULATION. THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED ON OUR ANALYSIS. BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S A DECISION OF COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL THIS EVENING ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND I'M MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. OBNOXIOUS. SO MR. HOLT NO MR. BARRY NO MR. DO NO SPARROWS NO. SANDERSON. NO. MR. WILSON, NO TALK. NO. AND PRESIDENT HAWK, THAT'S ALL I

[Ordinance C-32-25 Amend Section 331.44 of the Codified Ordinances titled Texting While Driving Prohibited. First reading. ]

[Resolution CR-28-25 Waive the provisions of Section 903.28(a) of the Codified Ordinances for the Bourbon & Spirits Festival on August 09, 2025. ]

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YES, PLEASE. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WHEN IT COMES TO SMOKING, THE SMOKING BAN IS STILL IN PLACE AND BUILDINGS, WHICH THERE'S NO BUILDINGS HERE, BUT YOU ALSO CAN'T SMOKE UNDER TENTS. SO THE DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA WILL BE AN OUTDOOR AREA UNCOVERED. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR THIS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION FOR THE BOURBON AND SPIRITS FESTIVAL? OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. MR. BERRY, YES. DO. YES. ROSE. YES.

ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. YES, YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING FOR

[Resolution CR-29-25 Declaring the necessity of constructing certain Sidewalks on Balsam Ave., Basswood Ave., Cypress Ave., Demorest Rd., Dogwood Ct., Holly St., Juniper St., Magnolia St., Sassafras Ct., and Sequoia Ave., and requiring that abutting property owners construct same. ]

SASSAFRAS, SASSAFRAS COURT, AND SEQUOYAH AVENUE, AND REQUIRING THAT ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS CONSTRUCT AT THE SAME TIME, IF I MAY, MR. DILL, THIS IS THE SECOND STEP IN THE PROCESS UNDER OHIO LAW, TO DO ASSESSMENTS FOR SIDEWALKS. THIS IS A PROCESS WE'VE UTILIZED FOR THE LAST DECADE, 12, 12 YEARS, MORE THAN A DECADE. WHAT THIS WILL DO IS THIS WILL NOTIFY THE LANDOWNERS ON THESE PROPERTIES. WE'LL GET THEM ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST. THEY WILL HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER DOING IT THEMSELVES, OR WE WILL COME DO IT FOR THEM AT A COST. THAT'S PROBABLY CHEAPER BECAUSE WE BID THIS AS PART OF OUR STREET PROGRAM. SO WE GET REALLY GOOD PRICING ON THIS. SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD BENEFIT FOR THE RESIDENTS. SO AND WE DO MATCH 50% OF THE COSTS, WHICH FRANKLY BY LAW WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO AND DON'T HAVE TO DO. BUT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THAT AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT WITH THIS PORTION OF THE PROJECT. THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. ANY MORE COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. MR. DU. YES. ROSE? YES. ANDERSON.

YES. WILSON. YES, YES. OH. OH, YES. HARRY. YES. I WAS JUST A LITTLE EXCITED. IT'S AN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S THAT RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. DU. AND THAT BRINGS US TO FINANCE,

[Ordinance C-26-25 Appropriate $250,000.00 from the Workers Compensation Fund for the Current Expense of Workers Compensation Claims. Second reading and public hearing. ]

[Ordinance C-27-25 Grant an Exceptional Circumstance for 3909 – 3911 Broadway to increase the maximum award under the Town Center Commercial Revitalization Grant Program. Second reading and public hearing. ]

WE HAVE ASKED THAT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE A $60,000 APPROPRIATION, JUST SO THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT MAY COME THROUGH. SO IT WILL REQUIRE A MOTION TO AMEND IT OR SUBSTITUTE IT IF YOU LIKE, SUBSTITUTE OR AMEND. AMEND, AMEND TO INCLUDE THE APPROPRIATION, SIR. SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? MISS ANDERSON? YES. WILSON. YES. YES. HOLT. YES. HARRY. YES. JU. YES.

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WE NOW HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT. THAT WAS THE AMENDMENT, SIR. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I WAS JUMPING THE GUN HERE LIKE TED. YES. DON'T BLAME ME. PLANS. SO NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO. THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND I MOVE IT. APPROVE.

BE APPROVED. THIS IS C 2725, AS AMENDED, AS AMENDED. HE DOESN'T NEED TO SAY THAT. SECOND. MAY I IS IT TOO LATE FOR ME TO ASK FOR AN OVERVIEW OF THIS? JUST I THINK FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION PURPOSES, MR. RAUCH, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN CAUCUS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE DO. SURE. THANKS. MRS. HOUK, THIS IS MY MOTHER IN LAW. LET ME GET HER. SORRY. THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO DO APPROXIMATELY $325,000 WORTH OF ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE BY CODE. WE HAVE TO FIND THAT THEY MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA TO MAKE IT ELIGIBLE FOR SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. THERE'S LIKE SEVEN CRITERIA. I THINK WE FOUND THEY MET FIVE OF THEM. THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING PROJECTS THAT WOULD ENHANCE THE TOWN CENTER, PROMOTE THE PLAN, ADD VITALITY TO THE AREA. AND THEY'RE LEVERAGING ADDITIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE CRUX OF OUR ANALYSIS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE PROJECTS, WE'VE DONE ESSENTIALLY NINE EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES OVER THE PAST TEN OR SO YEARS. SO WE WANT TO KIND OF MAKE SURE IT FIT WITH WHAT WE'VE AWARDED IN OTHER IN OTHER AREAS. AND THE BASED UPON THE AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE WHAT WE A LOT IN THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM, THE 60,000 WAS BASICALLY THE CAP OF WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST, WITH A COUPLE OF CAVEATS BEING NO GRANTS FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS, AND IF THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY OR TRANSFER THE PROPERTY THEY HAD, THEY HAD TO REIMBURSE THE CITY UP TO $30,000. SO WE DON'T DO THIS LIGHTLY. WE ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT AT WHAT'S BEEN AWARDED. AND WE TAKE GREAT CARE AND KIND OF TREATING EVERYONE THE SAME BECAUSE EVERYONE TALKS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE USES THE PROGRAM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AND TO OUR ABILITY. SO WITH THAT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION. THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT JUST IS WORTHY OF THE STORY OF THE ASSESSMENT OF THE CRITERIA AND HOW WE TRULY BELIEVE IT WILL BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER IN THE AREA. AND THAT IS WHAT MERITS THE EXCEPTION. ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION, THE $60,000 THAT IS IN THE AMENDED VERSION OF THIS LEGISLATION SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY PROJECTS GOING ON IN THE TOWN CENTER. AND THAT'S NOTHING BUT GOOD NEWS AS WELL. ON THAT FRONT, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF REGULATE THE PROGRAM BECAUSE THE PROJECTS DON'T MATCH THE CALENDAR YEAR OR THE FISCAL YEAR. SO PROJECTS KIND OF COME AND GO. THIS YEAR, WE'VE AWARDED $71,000 IN GRANT FUNDS BEING REIMBURSED. THERE'S ADDITIONAL LIKE 56,000 THAT WE HAVE ACTIVE AND THAT WE'VE WE'VE TALKED TO ADDITIONAL GROUP OF PEOPLE. SO ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD RUN OUT OF MONEY HAD WE NOT GOT THIS. AND EVEN WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS, ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WHO'S DONE A HOME IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UNDERSTANDS. YEAH. WHO KNOWS, WHO KNOWS WHEN THINGS HAPPEN. AND THIS IS FOR RESTAURANT USE. I SHOULD MENTION THAT TOO. IT'S FOR RESTAURANT. ABSOLUTELY. YES. AND I WOULD ECHO SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, PRESIDENT HOUK, I KNOW. MR. RAUSCH, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE THIS PROGRAM WE FUNDED AT $150,000 A YEAR, IN SOME YEARS WE USE NONE AND SOME YEARS WE USE SOME YEARS ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. RIGHT. AND THIS IS A MORE THAN THIS IS A GOOD YEAR, WHICH IS GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PEOPLE INVESTED IN OUR TOWN CENTER. SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF GOOD USE OF THIS. AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE USE BEING A RESTAURANT TOO, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S RECENTLY OPENED DOING ACCESS, YOU SEE A LOT MORE ACTIVITY DOWN HERE. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF ICE CREAM CUPS WALK BY THE OTHER NIGHT, WHICH WHICH MAKES ME HAPPY. SO IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE USING THE PROGRAM FOR THE FOR THE USES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TARGETING. SO PUT THAT WAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT I THIS IS THIS IS GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. HOLT. YES. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KYLE. WE ALSO FUNDED THE AWNING PROGRAM UNDER THAT SAME UMBRELLA, DIDN'T WE? CORRECT. WE DID. YEAH. SO WE HAD $50,000 SET ASIDE FOR AWNINGS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD IN YEARS PAST. WAS.

MR. HOLT. THANK YOU. SO FIRST, THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SAID, LET'S LET'S GIVE SOME

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[Resolution CR-30-25 Authorizing the City Administrator to apply for and accept funds through the ODNR Division of Forestry, Urban Forestry Grant, to restore the urban canopy in the disadvantaged areas of the City. ]

SO ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, ONCE WE PLANT THE TREES, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES WILL CUT US A CHECK FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. AND SO IT'S FREE MONEY, I GUESS.

SO, JODY, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME MAP THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, BUT I CAN READ THE STREETS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. JAMES COURT, EVANS DRIVE HOME. COMER DRIVE, LAROSA DRIVE, LAROSA COURT, ERWIN COURT AND DENNIS LANE. CORRECT. THAT'S A QUICK QUESTION OF THAT MAP YOU SHARED. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE DETAILED EXPLANATION. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GREEN AND THE RED THERE BECAUSE YOU SAID HIGHLIGHTED. AND I DO SEE THE RED DOTS ARE THE TREES OR THE WHERE THE TREES WOULD BE PLANTED. THE OUTLINE IS THE BIG AREA. ONE OF THE BIG AREAS OF A

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AND. ACTUALLY CENTRAL AREA DOWN RICHARD AVENUE RIGHT. PART OF LIKE THE STRAIT OF RICHARD AVENUE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TIME AND I KNOW YOU'RE REALLY BUSY RIGHT NOW, THE TREE CANOPY STUDY THAT YOU AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES, IS IT POSSIBLE YOU CAN COME IN AND BEFORE A MEETING AND SHARE WITH COUNCIL WHAT THAT CANOPY STUDY IS? AND YOU KNOW WHY WE NEED TO BE INVESTING IN TREES? YEAH, SURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JODY? COMMENTS IN GENERAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION CR 3025. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. HOUCK. YES. HOLT. YES.

BARRY. YES. YES. YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. HOLT. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR BUSINESS AGENDA. AND WE HAVE REACHED THE TIME OF THE EVENING

[Call for New Business]

BRIAN, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. HEY THERE, BRIAN PARKS, 4413 LINEBERRY DRIVE. AT A PRIOR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IT WAS MENTIONED DURING TESTIMONY THAT THE STRETCH OF ROADWAY WITHIN THE CITY WITH THE MOST VEHICLE COLLISIONS IS STRINGTOWN ROAD, BETWEEN 71 AND GANTZ ROAD. I'M HERE TODAY, TODAY TO REQUEST THAT THE CITY PROHIBIT LEFT TURNS ON OR OFF OF STRINGTOWN ROAD BETWEEN INTERSTATE 71 AND GANTZ ROAD. WITH ME. I HAVE FOUR CRASH REPORTS FROM JUNE 1ST TO TODAY, WHERE A DRIVER WAS MAKING A LEFT TURN EITHER ONTO OR OFF OF STRINGTOWN ROAD, STUDY FROM THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION IN 2010 FOUND THAT 22% OF CRASHES OCCUR WHEN A VEHICLE IS TURNING LEFT AT AN INTERSECTION. AND IF I CAN USE A BIT OF HYPERBOLE, WE ALL KNOW THAT DRIVER BEHAVIOR HAS JUST GOTTEN WORSE SINCE THE PANDEMIC. THE CITY ALREADY HAS SIMILAR TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES ON STRINGTOWN ROAD EAST OF 71, WITH THE BOULEVARD GOING DOWN THE MIDDLE. CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN BUSINESSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF STRINGTOWN ROAD, LIKE WAFFLE HOUSE SPEEDWAY AND RALLY'S COULD UTILIZE MARLENE TO RUMFIELD TO GANTZ IN ORDER TO TRAVEL WESTBOUND ON STRINGTOWN.

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IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO RUN OVER THEM. IF THEY NEEDED TO DO A U-TURN. I WOULD PRESUME THAT PROHIBITING LEFT TURNS WOULD ALSO IMPROVE OVERALL TRAFFIC FLOW, AS SOME DRIVERS ALSO GIVE WAY TO ALLOW THESE LEFT TURNS TO OCCUR TODAY, WHICH SLOWS OVERALL TRAFFIC. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CITY IMPLEMENTING THESE CHANGES AND MAKING THIS SECTION OF STRINGTOWN ROAD LESS DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE. THANK YOU. OKAY, IF I MAY MISS OUT. OKAY, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. BARRY. SO BRIAN AND I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT THERE WAS AN EFFORT JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THERE WAS AN EFFORT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO TO HAVE A FEEDER STREET RUN BEHIND THE KFC AND THOSE PROPERTIES BACK THERE. THERE WAS THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO DO THAT. IT JUST IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE AWESOME REACTION BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THERE AND THEN THEY COULD THEY COULD TURN RIGHT ONTO THE ROAD AND GOING OUT THE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE CINDY KNOWS, BUT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN A BIKER GO ACROSS THAT BEFORE. AND YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING YOUR LIFE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE RIGHT THERE. BUT ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE SPOT ON. OKAY. AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. PARKS, FOR COMING AND SPEAKING ON THIS.

I THINK YOU POINT OUT SOME REALLY INTERESTING THINGS, ESPECIALLY EAST OF 71 AND ALREADY HAVING THAT BOULEVARD AND KIND OF HAVING ALREADY CREATED THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE LOOKED AT SOMETHING MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I THINK WE DO HAVE TO TAKE ONCE AGAIN IN THE YEAR OF 2025, A DATA DRIVEN APPROACH TO THIS. I WILL SAY, AS A PARENT OF A NEWLY LICENSED DRIVER WHO ENJOYS FREQUENTING CANES, IT HAS BEEN A HARD AND FAST RULE FROM THE BEGINNING. NO LEFT TURN, GO OUT THAT GO OUT THAT BACK WAY, GO OUT THE BACK OR MAKE A RIGHT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING, MR. SMITH, IF I MAY, JUST FOR CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW THIS WORKS IN THE CITY, IS OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY, MR. TAFUR, BACK THERE HAS AUTHORITY UNDER THE CODE TO MAKE CHANGES TO TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IN ORDER TO DO SO, IT HAS TO BE SUPPORTED BY A TRAFFIC STUDY OR SOME TYPE OF APPLICABLE ENGINEERING. SO I WOULD CERTAINLY OBVIOUSLY, MR. TAFUR HAS HEARD YOU SPEAK TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR HOW THIS WORKS UNDER OUR CODE.

YEAH, THANKS. YOU STOLE MY COMMENTS, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, SAFETY DIRECTOR AT THE REAR OF THE ROOM AND FOR A LITTLE BIT OF LEVITY. THIS IS PROOF TO MY HUSBAND THAT YOU DON'T JUST HAVE TO RELY ON COLORFUL LANGUAGE, THAT YOU COULD COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND RAISE THE SUBJECT. THANK YOU FOR DOING SO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND WE ALSO HAVE KENNY HUFFMAN ON THE LIST THIS EVENING. MR. HUFFMAN, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 4990 HOOVER ROAD, APARTMENT 139. VERY GOOD. I'M IN HOMESTEAD VILLAGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE.

ALRIGHT, ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND I WERE IN THE SAME ARMY RESERVES IN 1969, AND HE DOESN'T REMEMBER ME, BUT I REMEMBER HIM. SO I'M HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOUR MIND IS SHARPER THAN THE MAYOR'S IS WHAT I'M HEARING. I CAME DOWN SATURDAY TO THE COFFEE WITH THE COPS. THAT WAS REALLY NICE. I HOPE THEY DO IT AGAIN. I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THEM. I ENJOYED THAT, OKAY. AND THEN WHILE I WAS THERE, THERE WAS SOMEONE FROM CHAMBER OF. WHICH BRINGS ME TO WHY I'M HERE. THE WOMAN IN THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TOLD ME I SHOULD BRING WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CODE OF PLUS. I USE IT ALL THE TIME. I USE IT ALL THE TIME, AND IT HELPS ME. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF CODE

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THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING. AM I AT THE RIGHT PLACE TO ASK THAT? I DON'T KNOW, YOU'VE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE. IT HAS. IT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A DISCUSSION OVER TIME. AND WE HAVE, FROM INCEPTION, GRADUALLY EXPANDED THE CODE TO PLUS OFFERINGS. YOU DON'T JUST STAY AT HOME ON THE WEEKENDS AND DO NOTHING. I DON'T HEAR REAL WELL. I SAID, YOU DON'T JUST STAY AT HOME ON THE WEEKENDS AND DO NOTHING. NOT THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY. WE'LL SEE.

LIKE, I CAME DOWN HERE TO THIS COFFEE WITH THE COPS. WELL, THERE WAS NO CODE. IPAY FOR SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT, TO GET DOWN HERE. I HAD TO GO WITH PLAN B, AND SO ARE YOU. ARE YOU AWARE? I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS FITS IN. ARE YOU AWARE OF THE SOUTH END OF COLUMBUS HAS CODE PLUS, AND THEY DO SERVICE ON THE WEEKENDS. OKAY, I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. THIS IS WHAT THE DRIVERS HAVE TOLD ME. OKAY, I IT'S HEARSAY. I DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT. AND SO THAT'S IT. IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO IT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. SENIORS MOST SENIORS DON'T DRIVE AND THIS IS HOW WE GET AROUND. YEAH. WELL I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY EVALUATING THE RIDERSHIP OF THAT CODE OF PLUS PROGRAM. WE HEAR A LOT OF WONDERFUL STORIES JUST LIKE YOURS. AND EVERY YEAR WHEN WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, THE MAYOR WILL DO AN EVALUATION OF WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON THAT PROGRAM. SO THIS TESTIMONY IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND YOU GOT GOOD ADVICE TO COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE TO GIVE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT, MAYOR

[Call for Dept. Reports & Closing Comments ]

WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF THIS. I UNDERSTAND ON THE CHATTERBOXES, BUT MURPH AND FIELD IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE FOR THE DIAMONDS THEY HAD. SO ALL THE GAMES WILL BE PLAYED AT FRIAR AND THAT WILL BE A REAL TEST. WE'RE OPENING UP THE FRONT LOT, WHICH IS BETWEEN CENTURY VILLAGE AND THE Y, BUT STILL THERE WILL PROBABLY BE 2 TO 3000 PEOPLE IN THAT AREA, AND THEY'RE STARTING ON FRIDAY NIGHT. AND YES, WE ARE STILL HAVING A FRIDAY NIGHT EVENT THAT ALSO IS ON THE CHATTERBOX THAT WE WERE NOT. IT STARTS AT SEVEN. AND THE BIG THING THAT WE'LL WANT TO AT LEAST SOME OF US WANT TO BE AT AT 545 ON THAT FRIDAY NIGHT, THE FIRST PITCH OF THE ALUMNI WEEKEND IS BEING THROWN BY A YOUNG LADY WHO GRADUATED IN 1954, 1954, AND SHE'LL BE PITCHING TO A GENTLEMAN WHO IS 98 YEARS OLD. WOW. AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT SHE'S PITCHING TO PLAYED SOFTBALL UP UNTIL ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO. SO THAT WILL THAT WILL BE AN EXCITING THING TO VIEW. THE OTHER THING IS ON THURSDAY WILL BE THE SERVICE ABOVE SELF AWARD BY THE ROTARY CLUB. IT WILL BE HERE IN CITY HALL. IT'LL BE AT 6:00. AND JOHN HAMPSON IS A RECIPIENT OF THAT PARTICULAR AWARD. THE. CONCERT STARTS AT SEVEN. WE'LL BE DOING A PROCLAMATION TO THE CLASS OF 1975 FOR THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY.

COMMUNITY SURVEYS ARE STARTING TO JUST BE CONDUCTED, AND THIS IS A SURVEY WE STARTED IN 1992, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE ASKED, BUT WE TRY TO KEEP THE BAROMETER AND UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC REACTION AND SO FORTH. THE INTENT OF THAT WAS MENTIONED AND WAS APPROVED.

THE THING THAT WE HAVE ARCADE AS OUR INTERMEDIARY. BUT TODD ASSURED ME THAT AT&T WILL BE THE USER OF THAT PARTICULAR ANTENNA, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD TO PUT THEM UP IF THERE'S NOBODY TO USE THEM. SO THAT NO LONGER WILL BE THE MAYOR'S FAULT, THAT WE DON'T HAVE GOOD SERVICE OVER IN THAT AREA. I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL ALLOWING US TO DISCUSS THE SUBJECT WHEN WE BEGIN, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL WE'LL HAVE SOME RESOLUTION TO HOW WE'LL PROCEED WITH BROOK PARK. ANY QUESTIONS

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BUT HEATHER AND HER TEAM THERE ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, AND I'M JUST SO HAPPY TO SEE THE LINES AND ALL THE ICE CREAM CUPS WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN. SO THANK YOU. WONDERFUL. LINDSAY ANDERSON, I JUST WANT TO THANK PEOPLE WHO DO COME IN AND SPEAK. I THINK IT REALLY HELPS BRING A LOT OF AWARENESS TO THINGS. AND ALSO FOR THOSE WHO SEND LETTERS AND EMAILS INTO COUNCIL, I THINK I WOULD IMAGINE MOST EVERYBODY READS READS THE THINGS THAT COME IN. SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT THAT PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BRING. AND I AGREE, MR. HUFFMAN, AS WELL.

WHAT YOU SAID THERE ARE ACTIVITIES HAPPENING ON THE WEEKENDS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT AND NEW BUSINESSES. SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODE. A-PLUS. I THINK WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT JUST OUTSTANDING RESULTS YEAR OVER YEAR AND AN INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP. AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS A PROPOSAL FOR THE WEEKEND OUT WITHIN THE NEXT BUDGET SESSION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WILSON. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE PEOPLE HERE AND REALLY KEEPING US IN LINE AS WELL, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE WORK OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MY TRUE CONFESSION IS THAT I AM A TRANSPLANT TO GROVE CITY. AND SO

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