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[1. Call to order and roll call. ]

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MILITARY TIME. WE'RE GETTING STARTED. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE CITY OF GROVE CITY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS AND FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ROLL CALL. MR. BRANDT HERE. CHAIR.

HELLINGA. YEAH. MR. HAHN HERE. OKAY. AND PROBABLY THE NEXT THING WE OUGHT TO DO IS ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK. WE'LL HAVE MISS LAURA SWEAR YOU IN. SO IF YOU WANT TO STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. REPEAT AFTER ME. OR DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT, AND THAT YOU'RE TESTIFYING OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. OKAY. THE FIRST

[3. Approve the minutes from the June 23 meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals. ]

ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 23RD MEETING OF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. SO MOVED. MR. BRANDT? YES, YES. MR. HAHN? YES. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. WE'VE GOT THREE

[4. Hear the appeal of Nicole Franklin, property owner for 5545 Carlisle Dr., Parcel #040-016820, fora variance to Section 1137.05: To encroach the 30' front building setback line facing Silverlawn Dr. by 11' with a 5' tall decorative fence for a total setback of 19'.]

ITEMS ON OUR LIST FOR TONIGHT. AND THE FIRST IS TO HEAR THE APPEAL OF NICOLE FRANKLIN, PROPERTY OWNER OF US 55, 45 CARLYLE DRIVE. PARCEL NUMBER. 040-016820 FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1137 .05 TO ENCROACH THE 30 FOOT FRONT BUILDING SETBACK LINE FACING SILVER LAWN DRIVE BY 11FT WITH A FIVE FOOT TALL DECORATIVE FENCE FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF 19FT. OKAY. AND LET'S SEE, WE HAVE NICOLE FRANKLIN SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I'D LIKE TO COME UP HERE AND TELL US WHY YOU'D LIKE THE VARIANCE, PLEASE. WE'RE REQUESTING THE VARIANCE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, IT TAKES.

WE LOSE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR YARD. WE HAVE A DOG WHO IS VERY HIGH ENERGY AND HAS BEEN KNOWN TO GET LOOSE OFF OF THE LEASH. SO THIS WILL KEEP HER IN. I USED TO LIVE AT PARK BROOK. WE HAD A FENCE THERE AND SHE DID REALLY WELL WITH IT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A KID WHO HAS A TRACHE AND IS ON A VENT. SO IF SHE WERE TO GET LOOSE, I WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE HIM TO GO GET HER TO FIND HER AND BRING HER BACK HOME. AND THAT MEANS LEAVING HIM ALONE AND THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A LARGER YARD FOR HER TO RUN AROUND IN. SINCE WE ARE ON A CORNER LOT, WE DO HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY REQUEST THAT. SO YEAH. ALRIGHTY. WHAT KIND OF DOG DO YOU HAVE? SHE'S A GERMAN SHORTHAIRED POINTER. OKAY. AND FULL OF ENERGY. OKAY, GREAT.

MISS SCOTT, DID HAVE WE CONTACTED THE ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS AND HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES? YES, WE DID, AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. I REVIEWED THE FILE AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY. MR. BRANCH, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE. THE ONLY ONE QUESTION I HAVE, I NOTICED THAT THE OUR BOARD OF ZONING STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT YOU PUT IN EVERGREENS ALONG THE FENCE. DOES THAT POSE ANY PROBLEM FOR YOU? NO, NOT AT ALL. I WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT ANYWAYS BECAUSE IT MAKES IT PRETTIER. SO NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE WERE ACTUALLY THERE WERE THREE STIPULATIONS. YES, THAT WERE ON YOURS. ONE OF THE STANDARD ONES IS THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WANT. YEAH, THAT WON'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL. WE ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACTOR IN PLACE, AND. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S. WE ALREADY HAVE SOME. WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT, SO. OKAY. AND THEN THE PROPER BUILDING AND ZONING. AUTHORITY DOCUMENTATION. AND SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT,

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WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE REQUEST OKAY. AND THERE'S STIPULATIONS. MR. HAHN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS JUST FROM THIS HERE FROM THE SIDEWALK. IT'LL BE 19FT. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? THIS IS WHERE I'M NOT THE GREATEST. SO HOLD ON. IF YOU WANT TO BE OUT THERE, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. BUT. BUT IS THAT PRETTY ACCURATE? THIS WOULD BE. THIS IS 19FT. YEAH. IT'LL BE 19FT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. YEAH I GET YEAH. THAT SIDE. OKAY.

SORRY, SORRY. THE SIDEWALKS HERE. THE HOUSES HERE. THIS SIDE. GOTCHA. OKAY. AND THEN BECAUSE WE DRIVE BY AND LOOK AT ALL THESE CASES OF COURSE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE BACK IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A SIX FOOT OFF THE EASEMENT THERE OR PROPERTY LINE. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ALREADY HAD THEIR HOLES DRILLED. YEAH. THEY WERE PRE DRILLING THEM. ARE THOSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY REDO THOSE WOULD YOU. YEAH. YES. YOUR BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY. YEAH. YEAH I STARTED FILLING THEM IN ALREADY. SO YEAH I'VE STARTED FILLING THEM IN BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER TO CUT THE GRASS OBVIOUSLY. AND THERE'S NOT THE GRASS AROUND THE DIRT. AND WHEN IF WE DON'T USE THOSE CERTAIN HOLES, THERE'S A COUPLE HOLES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY LINE UP PRETTY MUCH FOR STRAIGHT I, I WOULD BUY BAGS OF DIRT BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO HER ABOUT BUYING AND PLANTING GRASS SEED. SO WE DON'T HAVE HOLES THERE. YEAH. TO MAKE IT LOOK RIGHT. YEAH. AND ALONG THE SIDE, THE SIDEWALK. I'VE ALREADY FILLED IN HALF OF THOSE HOLES TO THE POINT WHERE WHEN I GET DIRT FROM THE OTHER HOLES, IS ALREADY STARTING TO GROW ON IT. SO. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPEAL OF NICOLE FRANKLIN, PROPERTY OWNER OF 5545 CARLISLE DRIVE, PARCEL NUMBER 040016820 FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1137 .05 TO ENCROACH THE 30 FOOT FRONT BUILDING SETBACK LINE FACING SILVER LAWN DRIVE BY 11FT WITH A FIVE FOOT TALL DECORATIVE FENCE FOR TOTAL SETBACK OF 19FT, WITH THE ADDITIONAL. THREE STIPULATIONS THAT A BUILDING PERMIT AND PRE-INSPECTION FOR THE PROPOSED FENCE AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED, BE IT A OBTAINED BY BY YOU GUYS FROM PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FENCE AND THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGAN IN 12 MONTHS AND THAT SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING BE INSTALLED THE 30 DAYS AFTER THE FENCE GOES IN WITH SOMETHING SUCH AS ARBORVITAE MINIMUM OF THREE FEET TALL. SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY, THAT'S MY MOTION. SECOND, MR. BRANDT? YES, MAYOR. HELLINGA. YES, YES. OKAY. YOUR VARIANCE HAS BEEN GRANTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN REVERSE ANY DECISION THAT WE MAKE. SO THERE'S A THERE WOULD BE A 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD IF THEY SHOULD DO IT. IT'S VERY SELDOM.

BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU GUYS HAVE 21 DAYS.

JUST BECAUSE I GET THIS, I GET CONFUSED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. SO WE NEED TO WAIT TO START THE FENCE OR CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. NOT YOU GUYS. SOMEBODY ELSE. OKAY. WE'VE.

YEAH, WE'VE APPROVED THIS VERY SELDOM. I THINK IT'S HAPPENED ONE TIME IN THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD. SO. OKAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW. SO IF I WERE YOU, I'D MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE PROPER BUILDING PERMITS AND EVERYTHING. OKAY, YOU CAN PROCEED. AND THEN JUST. OKAY, WITHIN 21 DAYS, WE'RE ROLLING. BUT TO BE SAFE, WAIT 21. YEAH, YEAH. JUST JUST IN CASE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES TO. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. IT'LL PROBABLY TAKE HIM A LITTLE WHILE TO. YEAH. THEY THEY WOULD OVERRIDE US HERE. YES. THEY DO NOT HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT AT THIS POINT. THEY STILL NEED TO OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT BY UPDATING THEIR PLAN, THE REVISED PLAN, AND WAIT FOR THAT TO BE APPROVED AND THEN GET THE PRE-INSPECTION BEFORE THEY CAN START WORK. BUT BUT THEY CAN DO ALL THAT IN THE 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO DO WHAT? SHE'S WORKING ON THAT WHILE WE'RE WAITING. YES. RIGHT.

GET THAT ALL IN PLACE AND THEN WE CAN START. SO THAT'LL YOU KNOW, THAT'S OKAY. IT'LL BASICALLY CANCEL ITSELF OUT BY THE TIME WE GET IT DONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

[5. Hear the appeal of Chad Swetnam, property owner for 4248 Moore Ave., Parcel #040-000525, for a variance to Section 1137.08 (f): To encroach the side setback of 3'-0" by 2'-2" with a shed, for a total side setback of 10". ]

COMING IN. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS TO HEAR THE APPEAL OF CHAD. DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY? OKAY. PROPERTY OWNER OF 4248 MOORE AVENUE. PARCEL NUMBER 04000025

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25. FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1130 7.0 AF TO ENCROACH THE SIDE SETBACK OF THREE FEET ZERO INCHES BY TWO FEET TWO INCHES WITH A SHED FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF TEN INCHES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND PRESENT YOUR APPEAL? YEAH, SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. JUST A FEW ROADS OVER HERE RIGHT BESIDE WINDSOR PARK. MOVED IN IN 2015, SO I'VE BEEN THERE ABOUT TEN YEARS NOW. THE SHED, THERE WAS AN EXISTING SHED THERE WHEN I MOVED IN, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE AGE OF THAT SHED WAS, BUT IT WAS DILAPIDATED. IT WAS FALLING DOWN. IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T LOOK BAD IN THIS PICTURE BECAUSE I PUT A COAT OF PAINT ON IT. BUT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A COAT OF PAINT. SO AND SO. DUE TO THE SAFETY RISKS OF BEING ABLE TO STILL USE THAT, WANTING TO USE THAT FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE. WANTING TO. HAVE THE NEW SHED IN ITS PLACE. AND HERE'S A PICTURE OF THE NEW SHED. OBVIOUSLY FROM A ESTHETIC I WENT KIND OF WITH THE SAME PATTERNS COMING OFF OF THE HOUSE. BUT AS WE CAN SEE WHERE IT'S SITTING RIGHT NOW, IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THE GOOD THING IS, IS THAT TALKING TO ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND I'M IN VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL MY NEIGHBORS, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH OF ME, ALVIN, HE HAS MOVED IN IN APPROXIMATELY 1980, AND THE EXISTING SHED WAS THERE IN 1980, AND HE HASN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT SINCE, YOU KNOW, 1980. SO IT WASN'T REALLY A BIG DEAL IN HIS MIND. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST HERE TO ASK FOR THAT VARIANCE, FOR THE SETBACK. I DROVE BACK THERE AND LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALREADY THERE. IT IS OKAY. IT IS. YEAH. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF MISSTEPS ON MY SIDE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY FORMALIZING THIS. I, I DID NOT KNOW MYSELF. AND THIS IS KIND OF A LEARNING ON MY SIDE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT A REPLACEMENT. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THESE STEPS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE WASN'T AN EXISTING VARIANCE IN PLACE FOR THE ONE THAT HAD BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1980S. SO WE'RE KIND OF DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE NOW AND GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS. I SEE THAT THE YOUR NEIGHBOR WROTE A LETTER STATING THAT HE'S OKAY WITH IT. HE CAN STILL MOW HIS GRASS. AND YEAH, IT'S THE SAME AS THE ONE FROM THE 1980S. YEAH, WELL, I MEAN DISTANCE, CORRECT. YEAH. SAME POSITION SHOWS UP ON THE AUDITOR'S SITE. SO I DON'T KNOW.

YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE A TIME MACHINE HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE 1980S. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS NOW. OKAY. YEAH. I'M CURIOUS. IT SHOWS UP ON THE AUDITOR'S REPORT. SO I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, ANYWAYS, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD CASES BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE HAD A STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY NOT AS CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE AS THIS IS. THIS IS WITHIN, WHAT, THREE INCHES AND TEN INCHES. YEAH. YEAH. AND BEFORE I THINK IT'S BEEN WITHIN ABOUT A YARD. BUT WE ALWAYS BASICALLY TOOK THE POSITION. I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SIMPLY REPLACING WHAT EXISTED THAT WELL, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, YOU OUGHT TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN. YEAH.

GRANDFATHERED IN. RIGHT. AS LONG AS IT'S LIKE FOR LIKE SURE. YEAH. AND THIS ACTUALLY LOOKS BETTER. SO YEAH, EVERYONE OUGHT TO BE HAPPY. YEAH I DROVE BY AND LOOKS GOOD. SO I HAVE A QUESTION I APPRECIATE THAT. SO IS THERE A SHED PERMIT I NOTICED THAT THAT'S THE SHED IS STILL MOVABLE. THERE'S NO FOUNDATION OR ANYTHING. CORRECT. IS THERE A SHED PERMIT. YES THERE IS. DOES HE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS? YEAH I BELIEVE HE HAS ALREADY HAS THAT OKAY OKAY. YEAH OKAY. YEP. LIKE I SAID THERE'S SOME MISSTEPS ON MY PART. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT LINED UP AND DO THINGS IN ORDER THIS TIME. SO AND WE'VE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM BEFORE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THE WORK AND NOT REALIZING THAT THEY NEEDED A PERMIT, AND THEY ALSO MIGHT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ZONING CODE. SURE. AND WE'VE WE'VE IN THE PAST, I THINK WE'VE GRANTED A G VARIANCE IN EVERY INSTANCE. WE HAVEN'T. I COULD BE WRONG. NOT NECESSARILY. I DON'T KNOW IF I'D SAY OKAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT BEEN AROUND FOR OVER TEN YEARS. SO SURE OKAY

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OKAY. GREAT. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE THE APPEAL OF CHAD SWETNAM. DID I SAY THAT BETTER? SWETNAM. OKAY, OKAY. PROPERTY OWNER OF 4248 MOORE AVENUE. PARCEL NUMBER 040000525 FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1130 7.08 F TO ENCROACH THE SIDE SETBACK OF THREE FEET BY TWO FEET, TWO INCHES WITH THE SHED FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF TEN INCHES SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT, MR. BRANDT. YES. MAHALINGA? YES, MR. HAHN? YES. GOOD. GREAT. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK YOU TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN 21 DAY. YEAH, WELL, 21 DAYS, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD.

COUNCIL COULD. YEAH. THEY COULD STILL OVERTURN IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS THEN. SO DOES THAT START AS OF TOMORROW. YEAH. AS OF TODAY. SO IT WOULD BE TUESDAY AT THAT. YES. OKAY. WELL YES.

WE'LL SEND YOU A LETTER AND PUT THAT DATE IN THE LETTER AND THEN. OKAY. AND IF IT GETS PUT ON MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF IT DOES GET PUT IN, PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO COMMIT AND MAKE A CASE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT LAURA WOULD BE ABLE TO INFORM YOU IF CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. YEAH, WELL, THE CLERK OF COUNCIL HAS FIVE DAYS TO NOTIFY YOU WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD IF THEY HAVE REQUESTED A REVERSAL. OKAY, I GOTCHA OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE ONE ONE TIME THAT HAPPENED, I, I WENT TO CITY. I WAS I'M USUALLY AT CITY COUNCIL. I PRESENT THE CASE WHY WE APPROVED IT. SO ANYWAY I GOTCHA OKAY. AND THEY DID. AND THEY DID UPHOLD WHAT WE HAD

[6. Hear the appeal of Lois May, property owner for 2879 La Rosa Dr., Parcel #040-002583, for a variance to Section 1137.05: To encroach the 30' setback on Irwin Ct. with a 48" split rail fence by 9' at the front corner of the house for total setback of 21', and 27' at the rear of the lot, fora total setback of 3', on a lot with a varying setback lines due to corner lot on a cul-de-sac. ]

DONE. YEAH. YEAH OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS TO HEAR THE APPEAL OF THOSE MAY PROPERTY OWNER OF 2879 LA ROSA DRIVE, PARCEL NUMBER 040002583 FOR VARIANCE TO SECTION 1137 .05 TO ENCROACH THE 30 FOOT SETBACK ON ERWIN COURT WITH A 48 INCH SPLIT RAIL FENCE BY NINE FEET AT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, WHERE TOTAL SETBACK OF 21FT AND 27FT AT THE REAR OF THE LOT, FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF THREE FEET ON THE LOT, WITH VARYING SETBACKS. LINES DUE TO THE CORNER LOCATION AND THE CUL DE SAC. I WENT THERE AND I UNDERSTAND. SO ANYWAY, COME ON UP AND MAKE YOUR APPEAL. WELL.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE THIS WEEK. I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INTERESTING PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH WITH THE ANGLES AND CURVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE IDEA BEHIND THE FENCE IS SHE DOES HAVE A COUPLE OF KIDS THAT ARE, I BELIEVE, TEN AND 12. ADDITIONALLY, WITHIN THE COURT AREA AND THE PROPERTIES AROUND, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS THAT THEY GO OUT AND PLAY IN THE COURT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO SHE WAS WANTING TO PROVIDE KIND OF A FENCED IN AREA FOR NOT JUST HER KIDS, BUT THE KIDS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO PLAY OUTSIDE AND HAVE A SPACE FOR THAT. FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THERE'S A DETERRENT WITH THAT. FENCING BRINGS AS FAR AS ALLOWING FOR THIS APPEAL.

BEING HER NEIGHBOR, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD CAUSE ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES. WE LIVE IN A COURT THAT HAS FIVE DRIVEWAYS, SO THERE'S FIVE PEOPLE THAT GO INTO THAT COURT. SIX IF YOU COUNT THE AMAZON PRIME DRIVER. SO THERE'S VERY FEW TRAFFIC VEHICLES THAT THAT GO THROUGH THAT, THAT COURT THAT I COULD SEE IT IMPEDING TRAFFIC. SO I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD POSE AN ISSUE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I BELIEVE THAT SHE HAS I KNOW SHE'S TALKED TO US AS HER NEIGHBORS, BUT I BELIEVE SHE'S ALSO TALKED TO HER ADJACENT NEIGHBOR THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS MOST. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY ISSUE FROM FROM HER NEIGHBOR'S STANDPOINT AND GOING FOR THIS APPEAL. SO REALLY, I'M HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THIS BOARD HAS. SO ARE YOU ONE

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OF HER NEIGHBORS? I AM SO SHE HAS ADJACENT NEIGHBOR AND WHERE THE NEIGHBOR TO HER ADJACENT NEIGHBOR. OKAY. SO AND WE LIVE WITHIN THAT COURT. OH OKAY. SO IF WHEN I DROVE IN THERE, HER HOUSE IS ON THE CORNER AND THERE WAS A HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR WITH THE DRIVEWAY SORT OF PARALLEL TO HER LOT LINE. CORRECT. SO IS THAT YOUR HOUSE? THAT'S OUR THAT'S NEIGHBOR IN BETWEEN US.

OKAY. SO IT GIVES HER HOUSE THE NEIGHBOR THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF THEN THAN US. OKAY.

DID WE HAVE ANY RESPONSE FROM ANY OF THE FORMAL RESPONSES FROM ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS? SO AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING, THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT? MISS DESMARAIS, SHE DID SUBMIT A LETTER IN SUPPORT. OKAY. OKAY.

YEAH, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A CONCERN BECAUSE THE WAY YOU IT SETS UP WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. SO WHERE WERE YOU MADE AWARE THAT WHAT WE READ AT THE BEGINNING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HERE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MODIFIED BY THE ZONING INSPECTOR? WE OUGHT TO. YEAH, I WAS GOING TO READ THIS.

WE NEED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. THE STAFF RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING MODIFICATION. THE PROPOSED VARIANCE STATEMENT TO READ TO ENCROACH THE 30 FOOT SETBACK ON IRWIN COURT WITH A 48 INCH SPLIT RAIL FENCE BY NINE FEET IN THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF 21FT AND 20FT AT THE REAR OF THE LOT, FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF TEN FEET ON THE LOT. WITH THE VARYING SETBACK DUE TO THE LINES OF THE CUL DE SAC. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE SETBACK IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHERE THE HOUSE SITS IN THE ANGLE OF THE RIGHT, SO SHE'S OKAY WITH THAT. SO IN SPEAKING WITH HER, SHE WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL FOR THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. IF SHE'S ABLE TO GET THAT. AND I THINK THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS HAVING THAT THAT THREE FOOT SETBACK TOWARDS THE BACK PART OF THE FENCE CLOSEST TO HER NEIGHBOR. WELL, THEN I WOULD ASK LAURA AS BEING THE ZONING OFFICIAL, IF SHE HAS ANY PROBLEM WITH GOING WITH THE ORIGINAL AS OPPOSED TO WHAT GEORGE JUST READ. SO I RECOMMENDED EXCUSE ME, THE INSTEAD OF IT BEING 290 DEGREE ANGLES THAT THEY TAKE THE FENCE BACK FROM THE FRONT CORNER AT AN ANGLE TO THE 20 FOOT MARK RATHER THAN THE 27 FOOT MARK, WHICH WOULD ONLY LEAVE THREE FEET OF A SETBACK. AND THE REASON THAT I THINK THAT THAT IS A BETTER SOLUTION IS BECAUSE IT STILL GIVES MISS MAE A VERY NICE REAR YARD. BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE LOCATION OF DESMARIS PROPERTY AND HOW IT FACES BASICALLY HER MAE'S REAR YARD, THAT'S BASICALLY HER FRONT YARD, AND SHE'D BE LOOKING INTO 27FT OF FENCE THAT WOULD BE STARTING AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE. SHE'D BE LOOKING RIGHT INTO THAT FENCE.

THIS BRINGS IT BACK A LITTLE, GIVES HER MORE OF A BETTER VIEW FOR HER FRONT YARD, ALSO GIVES HER MORE DISTANCE WITHIN HER DRIVEWAY BEFORE SHE GETS INTO THE SIDEWALK AREA WHEN SHE'S BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT WAS. IT WAS A BETTER FIT FOR THIS PROPERTY DUE TO THE WAY THAT THE HOUSE IS SITUATED NEXT TO THE PROPERTY. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT'S AN ESTHETICS. CORRECT? I ALSO THINK THAT BACK CORNER I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP.

YEAH, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED ALL THE KIDS AND EVERYTHING. IF SOMEONE'S BACKING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE LADY BEHIND WITH THE WHITE VAN. IF YOU GO WHERE YOU'RE SO NOW YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THAT SIDEWALK ON THIS BACK CORNER, IF SOMEONE'S BACKING OUT WITH THE KIDS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE WITH THE SIDEWALK. AND ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THIS TYPE OF FENCE. SO I, I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BACK CORNER KNOCKED OFF A LITTLE BIT. SO IT'S NOT SO CLOSE BECAUSE THERE'S SIDEWALK COMES OUT. I'M SORRY. SEE HOW THE SIDEWALK BENDS AROUND LIKE THIS. YEAH THAT'S ONLY A THREE FOOT DIFFERENCE IS IT. IS THAT UP ON THE SCREEN? I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IT IS FROM THE SIDEWALK. I'M JUST THINKING OF THE HOMEOWNER BEHIND HER. YEAH, COMING IN AND OUT. IF THERE'S PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK WITH THAT BLACK FENCE, THEY MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO SEE IF SOMEONE'S ON THE SIDEWALK COMING IN OR OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY AT NIGHT OR WHENEVER. SO I AGREE, IT'S ACTUALLY A SEVEN FOOT DIFFERENCE. SO INSTEAD OF THERE BEING THREE FEET LEFT IN THE SETBACK, THERE WOULD BE SEVEN FEET. YEAH, THAT'S BETTER THAN THREE. YEAH. SO YOU SEE IT THEN TONY I SEE A SAFETY I SEE IT MORE AS A SAFETY ISSUE. ISSUE. YEAH. AND WE HAVE A RIGHT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SURE. YEAH. IT IS

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IF I MAY SPEAK ON HER BEHALF. AND SHE WANTED TO HAVE ME ASK IF THERE'S A COMPROMISE OF BETWEEN THE TWO DISTANCES, ONE THAT YOU OFFERED AND THE ONE THAT SHE ORIGINALLY IN MEETING IN THE MIDDLE. SO I WANTED TO OFFER THAT OUT ON HER BEHALF. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK IF WE COMPROMISE ON HALF TONY, DO WE STILL HAVE THEN IS IT STILL GOING TO BE SAFE IN YOUR OPINION? I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN LESS, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IF I LIVE THERE, I'M. AND I'M COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY AND I HAVE GUESTS COMING OVER. AND IF YOU MENTIONED AS YOUR FIRST STATEMENT ABOUT ALL THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, KIDS AND SIDEWALKS AND STUFF, SO I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE LESS. I WOULD GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED. YEAH. YOU WANT TO GO WITH WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED? OKAY. THAT WOULD BE MY COMPROMISE. MY, MY I MEAN MY WELL, I GUESS IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE IF WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT, I THINK THEN SHE HAS A RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL TO GO BACK TO HER ORIGINAL, I THINK, DOESN'T SHE? COUNCIL. THAT WILL BE A MODIFICATION. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S CORRECT. I SHOULD BE. IF SHE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT WE DO, THEN SHE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO APPEAL TO CITY TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE TO GO. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN OVERTURN WHAT WE DO. RIGHT? BUT SHE RUNS THE RISK OF THEM SAYING THAT IT'S FURTHER RIGHT. NOT UNDERSTOOD. YOU KNOW MY ORIGINAL. WHEN I DROVE THERE AND TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, I WAS CONCERNED THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WOULD NOT LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FENCE STICKING OUT THAT FAR, BUT. VINDICATED THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. OKAY, IF I WAS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, I'D SAY NO, I DON'T WANT THAT STICKING OUT THAT FAR. SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WE CAN APPROVE IT WITH THE MODIFICATION. THEN IF SHE WANTS TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT THERE WOULD BE A RISK THERE. SURE. AND I THINK SHE WOULD AT LEAST ACCEPT YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE MODIFICATION AT THIS TIME. OKAY, OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. THE APPEAL OF LOIS MAY, PROPERTY OWNER OF 2879 LAROSA DRIVE, PARCEL 040002583 FOR A VARIANCE TO SECTION 1137 .05, AND TO ENCROACH THE 30 FOOT SETBACK ON ERWIN COURT WITH A 48 INCH SPLIT RAIL FENCE BY NINE FEET IN THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOUSE FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF 21FT AND 20FT IN THE REAR OF THE LOT, FOR A TOTAL SETBACK OF TEN FEET ON THE LOT. WITH A VARYING SETBACK LINES DUE TO THE CUL DE SAC. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE SAYING IT GOES AT AN ANGLE TO SORT OF MEET THE ANGLE OF THE CODE SECTION. WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND. MR. BRANDT. YES, CHAIR.

YES. MR. HAHN? YES. OKAY, I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK THAT'S A YES. AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE PERMITS FOR THE FOR THE FENCE AND THE 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. OR SHE CAN APPEAL IT. THAT'S HER PREROGATIVE DISCRETION. AND YOU GUYS WILL SEND AN OFFICIAL LETTER TO HER ABOUT THE. YEAH. YEAH. AWESOME. SO THANK YOU. SO THANKS FOR COMING. WE HAVE TO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. WHAT WHAT IS THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. WHAT'S THE ESTHETICS. WHAT ARE THE NEIGHBORS FEEL LIKE. AND SO IN ORDER FOR US OR IF THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY ISSUE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS CONCERNED WITH. SO ESPECIALLY ON A CORNER LOT NOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S A CUL DE SAC. BUT YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS AROUND THERE. SO WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR COMING IN. MAY I ADD A QUICK REFERENCE FOR YOU IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL, THEY CAN REFERENCE THE GROVE CITY CODE 1133 .07 FOR THE PROCEDURE, WHICH IS A 21 DAY PERIOD IN WHICH TO DO SO. AND THERE HAS TO BE A WRITTEN NOTICE, SO EVERYTHING SPELLED OUT THERE IN CODE. 1137 .07.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THOSE ARE THE ONLY APPEALS WE HAVE. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? DO WE HAVE A

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DATE FOR OUR NEXT MEETING? AUGUST 25TH. OKAY, AUGUST 25TH. SO THE NEXT MEETING, THERE'S NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS. I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN. THANK YOU. THANKS.

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