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COMPRISED OF, LIKE, ALL OF THIS STUFF. GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. PLEASE STAND AND
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JOIN ME FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. MAY I HAVE YOU CALL THE ROLL, MISS KELLY? MISS BURROUGHS HERE. ANDERSON. HERE. WILSON. HOUK HERE. HOLT. HERE.BARRY. HERE. YOU HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE MR. WILSON THIS EVENING. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? BURROUGHS? YES. ANDERSON. YES, YES. YES. BARRY. YES. DO. YES.
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ALL RIGHT. AND I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTES OF OUR AUGUST 4TH, 2025 MEETING AND APPROVE THEM AS WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? ANDERSON. YES. YES. HOLT. YES. BARRY. YES. DO. YES. BURROUGHS. YES. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME, EVERYONE. WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS AT THE HEAD OF OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING. SO I WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO READING THROUGH THE AGENDA TONIGHT UNDER LANDS, WE HAVE RESOLUTION CR 3325 UNDER SERVICE. WE HAVE ORDINANCE C 3325. UNDER FINANCE WE HAVE ORDINANCE C 3425 AND RESOLUTION CR 3425. AND UNDER PARKS WE HAVE RESOLUTION CR 3225. IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS, THIS AGENDA IS APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. AND SEEING NONE, I WILL PASS THE FLOOR TO MISS BURROUGHS WITH[Resolution CR-33-25 Set forth, as required by Section 709.023 of the Ohio Revised Code the Municipal Services that can be furnished to 26+ acres located at 4910 Hoover Road in Jackson Township upon its annexation to the City of Grove City, Ohio.]
LANDS. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. RESOLUTION NUMBER CR 3325 UNDER LANDS THIS EVENING. THIS IS A RESOLUTION TO SET FORTH, AS REQUIRED BY SECTION 709.023 OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE. THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES THAT CAN BE FURNISHED TO PLUS OR -26 ACRES, LOCATED AT 4910 HOOVER ROAD IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP. UPON ITS ANNEXATION TO THE CITY OF GROVE CITY, THE PETITION TO ANNEX THE 26 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES LOCATED AT 4910 HOOVER ROAD IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP TO THE CITY OF GROVE CITY AND SIGNED BY THE GROVE CITY CHURCH OF THE NAZARENE, WAS FILED WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF FRANKLIN COUNTY, OHIO. THIS BASICALLY OHIO REVISED CODE REQUIRES THAT A LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY OF THE MUNICIPALITY TO WHICH THE ANNEXATION IS PROPOSED ADOPT A STATEMENT INDICATING WHAT SERVICES, IF ANY, THE MUNICIPALITY CORPORATION WILL PROVIDE TO THE TERRITORY PROPOSED FOR ANNEXATION UPON ITS ANNEXATION. SO WE'RE BASICALLY STATING THAT ONCE IT'S ANNEXED, WE WILL PROVIDE FIRE THROUGH THE JACKSON TOWNSHIP CITY OF GROVE CITY POLICE. CITY OF GROVE CITY HAS WATER SERVICE TO THE AREA. SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND ZONING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS RESOLUTION? ALL RIGHT.SEEING NONE. THIS RESOLUTION HAS THIS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND, HOUCK. YES. YES YES YES, YES. ANDERSON. YES. AND, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNDER THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. SHORT AND SWEET. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THAT MOVES US TO
[Ordinance C-33-25 Declare the realignment of North Meadows Drive as a benefit to the Pinnacle Tax Increment Financing Development Area. Second reading and public hearing.]
SERVICE WITH MR. DO. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE ORDINANCE C 23 DASH 25 DECLARE THE REALIGNMENT OF NORTH MEADOWS DRIVE AS A BENEFIT TO THE PINNACLE TAX INCENTIVE FINANCING DEVELOPMENT AREA. THIS IS THE SECOND READING IN PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. SEEING NONE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I ASK THAT THIS ORDINANCE BE APPROVED. SECOND. HOLT. YES, YES, YES, YES. ANDERSON. YES, YES. AND THAT IS ANOTHER SHORT AND SWEET CATEGORY, MR. DUKE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT MOVES US ON[Ordinance C-34-25 Appropriate $75,000.00 from the General Fund for the Current Expense of the Southwestern City School District Adult HUB Training Program. First reading.]
TO FINANCE WITH MR. HOLT. ORDINANCE C 3425 APPROPRIATE 75,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE SOUTH-WESTERN CITY SCHOOLS ADULT HUB TRAINING PROGRAM. THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS FIRST READING. SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 2ND. MOVING ON, CR 3425[00:05:04]
AUTHORIZE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO SEEK FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM. TIMEOUT SL. FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE FROM THE STATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, LOCAL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR FUNDING OF THE STRINGTOWN ROAD AND MARLENE DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS. ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE IS THIS IS JUST A I COULD, MR. HOLT, IF I MAY. OKAY. PLEASE.MR. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSED PROJECT, AND OF COURSE, IT IS CONTINGENT UPON FINAL ENGINEERING, IS TO PUT A MEDIAN DOWNSTREAM TOWN ROAD FROM APPROXIMATELY MARLENE DRIVE WEST TO GANS ROAD TO PROHIBIT LEFT HAND TURNS. AS YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DANGEROUS AREA IN TERMS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN LEFT. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE MAIN ASPECT OF FOR THIS PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENT. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF MR. TIFFORD WAS HERE, HE WOULD TELL US THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE ACCIDENT SITE IN THE CITY. SO THIS RESOLUTION ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM ANYBODY. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. BARRY YES, YES, YES. ANDERSON. YES, YES, YES. IF I COULD, MR. CHAIR. YES, SIR. THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING DIRT NEXT WEEK JUST TO CLEAR THE AIR. THIS IS A LONG PROCESS, AND ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET IT CUED UP THROUGH THE THROUGH THE SYSTEM. SO WE'RE NOT MOVING ANY DIRT THAT WAS RUMORED. I KNOW ON SOME OF THE CHAT BOXES. SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY. BUT WILL IT BE IN THE 26 BUDGET? SOME OF IT PROBABLY. GOOD EVENING. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON TIMELINE ON HOW THESE WORK. SO WE APPLY FOR FUNDING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. WE WILL FIND OUT IN DECEMBER IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN OUR APPLICATION AT THAT POINT. IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL WITH THE APPLICATION, THOSE FUNDS BECOME AVAILABLE IN JULY OF 26. SO WE WOULD DESIGN STARTING IN JULY OF 26, AND CONSTRUCTION THEN IS REQUIRED FOR THE FUNDING TO BE UNDERWAY IN 2027. SO THAT IS THE GENERAL TIMELINE. ANY OTHER DETAILS THAT THAT YOU WANT? AND WE WELCOME THE PUBLIC. WE ARE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING ON WEDNESDAY AT SIX HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS. WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT TIMELINE AGAIN. AND THE OTHER DETAILS OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU
[Resolution CR-32-25 Approval by Council to invest staff time and to expend financial resources at Brookpark Middle School.]
VERY MUCH, MR. HOLT. AND THAT BRINGS US TO PARKS. MR. BERRY, RESOLUTION CR 3225, APPROVAL BY COUNCIL TO INVEST STAFF TIME AND EXPEND FINANCIAL RESOURCES AT BROOK PARK MIDDLE SCHOOL. MR. JACQUES, AS YOU WALK TO THE DAIS. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL. I'M PREPARED TONIGHT TO DO A LITTLE BRIEF PRESENTATION, BUT PENDING OUR CONVERSATION IN CAUCUS, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME SEVERAL OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS THAT I CAN WORK ON GETTING SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND PRESENTING AT THE NEXT MEETING AS A WHOLE. SO I THINK WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH YOUR WITH YOUR COMMENTS HERE AND HAVE COUNCIL ASK QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT TO IF THE QUESTIONS AREN'T ANSWERED, WE CAN WE CAN DELAY IT. BE HAPPY TO DO SO. SO TONIGHT JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT BROOK PARK AND ACTIVATING THAT. WHY NOW. BECAUSE WE HAVE A NEED TO GENERATE MORE COMMUNITY TYPE CLASSES AND RECREATIONAL SETTINGS INDOORS TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE GET CALLS DAILY FOR ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO MEET THOSE. THIS IS SERVING ALL AGES AND ABILITIES FROM EARLY CHILDHOOD, SCHOOL AGE TEENS, ADULTS 55 PLUS, AND OUR ADAPTIVE AND INCLUSIVE PARTICIPANTS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT ALSO CREATING A SAFE, AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD HUB FOR COMMUNITY TYPE CLASSES. LIFELONG LEARNING, WELLNESS, ARTS AND RECREATION. WITHOUT AN OVERWHELMING CAPITAL COST UPFRONT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN SORT OF TWO PHASES. PHASE ONE WOULD BE MONTH ZERO THROUGH MONTH THREE, WHERE WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE FOCUSED ON SAFETY AND READINESS ONLY CLEANING, BASIC REPAIRS, SIGNAGE, LIFE SAFETY CHECKS, DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS LIKE THAT, ENSURING THAT THIS IS SET UP TO OPERATE AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN IN THAT TIME WE WOULD ALSO WORK ON PROGRAMING IDEAS, VERY[00:10:04]
SPECIFIC IDEAS, AND AGAIN FOCUSED ON A DIVERSE INCLUSIVE TYPE PROGRAMING. AND THIS WOULD THIS WOULD TAKE THAT TIME TO RECRUIT INSTRUCTORS, SET UP CLASSES, ADVERTISE AND THEN HAVE SIGNUPS. SO PHASE TWO WOULD BE THAT MONTH 4 OR 5 WHERE WE ACTUALLY MOVE IN AND ARE STARTING TO ADD HIGH DEMAND CLASSES, WEEKLY PROGRAMS, WEEKEND FAMILY PROGRAMS, ADAPTIVE REC SESSIONS, AND ALL THEIR OTHER FEE BASED TYPES OF CLASSES. WE WOULD TRY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO THERE, WE KEEP ALL THE BUILD OUTS PORTABLE AND REVERSIBLE. SO WHILE WE LEARN WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK, AS WE TRY NEW THINGS, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST KEEP GOING OUR FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. SO WE INCLUDED SOME OPERATIONAL COSTS. BUT AS QUESTIONS CAME UP IN CAUCUS, NOT ALL THE COSTS ARE CAPTURED THERE. THERE'S NO MAINTENANCE COSTS IN THERE. THERE'S NO ONGOING CUSTODIAL EFFORTS CAPTURED IN THAT. AND THERE IS NO IT NEEDS SET ASIDE FOR THAT AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABLE AS POSSIBLE. WITH THIS, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING ITSELF HERE IN A SECOND, BUT I WANT TO OFFER THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD UNDER COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE, THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO COME BACK. QUARTERLY. PRESENT PARTICIPATION NUMBERS, COST RECOVERY BREAKDOWNS AND DEMOGRAPHICS OF THOSE THAT WERE SERVING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CLASSES THAT WERE THAT WERE OFFERING THAT WERE SUCCESSFUL. JACK, COULD YOU GO OVER THE BUDGET THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED? YES. TAMMY, DO YOU MIND? IS THAT ON THERE? I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT. OKAY. SO THE BUDGET. SO WE FEEL LIKE IF WE'RE STARTING THE EARLIEST WE COULD START AND HAVE CLASSES IN THE FACILITY WOULD BE NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. WE'RE ANTICIPATING WITH SIGNAGE AND OTHER START UP COSTS, THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND $27,000, AND THAT $27,000 WOULD BE NOT A NEW ASK. WE WOULD DIVERT FUNDS WITHIN OUR CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET TO GET THAT KICKED OFF.WHAT WOULD THE AS FAR AS NEXT YEAR, WHAT IS THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR THEN? AND OUTLYING YEARS? YEAH. SO YEAR TWO WE ANTICIPATED INCREASE BECAUSE THEN NOW WE'LL HAVE A GREAT IDEA OF WHAT TYPES OF CLASSES THAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FOR THE, FOR THE COURSE OF THE 2026 YEAR. SO THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. THAT WAS IN THAT $40,000 RANGE FOR ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT AND SUPPLIES. AND THEN WHAT WHAT ABOUT OUTLYING YEARS UNTIL THE COMMUNITY CENTERS BUILT? SO, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO THAT FAR BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO EVALUATE WHERE WE'RE AT AND IF THIS IS SUCCESSFUL. WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY ADDITIONAL EXPANSION. SO I THINK WE'D HAVE AFTER THAT NINE MONTH PERIOD OF ACTUALLY BEING ACTIVE, WE'D HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF GOING THROUGH ALL THE SEASONS OF WHAT'S WORKED, WHAT HASN'T, AND WHAT WE COULD DO IN THE FUTURE.
QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL. I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS, PLEASE. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH BROOK PARK TWO TIMES LAST WEEK, ONE WITH CITY ADMINISTRATION AND THEN ONE WITH THE PARK BOARD MEETING ON THURSDAY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPINIONS ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO OR WHAT WE SHOULD NOT DO, WHICH IS CREATE A LOT OF NOISE AND CONFUSION. I THINK THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF ATTACHMENT TO BROOK PARK. I KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN RUNNING OUT OF SPACE. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE. I SEE OPPORTUNITY IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR NOT ONLY FOR BROOK PARK, BUT ALSO OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN GROVE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE LIBRARY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NAS, BUT THE DEVILS ARE IN THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS. RIGHT. AND I I'M JUST I'M AFRAID THAT THE 27,000 JUST FOR SOME OF THIS TECHNOLOGY IS REALLY NOT GOING TO GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH FOUR ROOMS OR POTENTIALLY OTHER ROOMS AND SOME OF THESE ROOMS THAT ARE MARKED IN YELLOW. I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING USED BY PALE PALE PALS PROGRAM AND THE AS WELL, AND MAYBE SOME PERSONAL OFFICES. SO WE MIGHT HAVE ACCESS TO IT, BUT NOT MAYBE 100% ACCESS TO IT. SO I JUST, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO STEP BACK AND KIND OF HAVE A MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION ON COST AND INSURANCE. AND AGAIN, DOES THAT INCLUDE STAFFING AND OPERATIONS MORE JUST A LITTLE MORE COMPREHENSIVE. AND THEN
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AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY I CAN AND I CAN SEE THIS FILLING THE GAP FOR UNTIL WE GET TO OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT IT'S NOT QUITE SURE THAT WE'RE THERE YET. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN BE IN THERE BY NOVEMBER. I JUST THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO KIND OF IRON OUT ALL THE DETAILS. AND I MAYOR TALKED ABOUT A MEMORANDUM UNDER A MEMO OF UNDERSTANDING AS WELL, MAYBE WITH THE SCHOOL REGARDING THE LEASE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT IRONS OUT TO BE. AND THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. WELL, IF I COULD, MR. CASSELL. AND WHO'S THE CHAIR HERE, MR. BERRY? THE ANALOGOUS THAT I LIKE TO COMPARE IS IF WE, AS I SAID IN THE CAUCUS, WERE TO GO TO A CHURCH BECAUSE WE NEED A NEED FOR 300FTā !S TO HAVE SOME PROGRAM, E WOULD NOT BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. I MEAN, WE HE CAN SIGN A LEASE, CHUCK CAN SIGN A LEASE FOR 90 DAYS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. AND WE WE'D HAVE IT. AND I GUESS WHAT GETS LOST IN, IN MY MIND IS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE DO KNOW NOW MUCH BETTER OF WHAT THAT BUILDING IS LIKE. AND THE ROOMS THAT ARE AIR CONDITIONED, THAT ROOM WITH THE PALS, WE'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR. WE ONLY GET THE ROOM ON THE NORTH SIDE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM, BUT I JUST. WE HAVE A DEMAND. WE NEED A BRIDGE. NOBODY'S COME UP WITH ANY OTHER SOLUTION. AND NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, WE NEED SPACE. AND WE'D HAVE TO GO TO AN OUTSIDE VENDOR OR SOMEBODY, SOME OTHER OUTSIDE PROVIDER. AND I DON'T THINK WE'D BE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH WITH THE SAME SCENARIO WITH ANOTHER CHURCH OR WHATEVER. I KNOW IT'S IRRELEVANT, BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT THE RIGOR IS, WE'RE WILLING TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. PUBLIC HAS A DEMAND AND 27,000 TH 2IS YEAR, 40,000 NEXT YEAR. WE SHARE SERVICES OVER THERE WITH THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO GET IT AS CLEAN AS IT IS TODAY.
AND THAT WOULD CONTINUE. I MEAN, THAT'S THE AGREEMENT WE HAVE WITH THEM. THERE'S NO INCREMENTAL COST. IT'S JUST THAT WE WOULD USE THE RESOURCES CURRENTLY AVAILABLE. MR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING WE'RE WILLING TO WE'RE WILLING TO GO ANOTHER TILL THE NEXT MEETING. IT'S JUST.
YEAH. MR. BERRY, THANK YOU. AND, MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THAT YOU'VE INVESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE GETS ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. AND AS MR. HOLT MENTIONED, I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE INTENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED IS GETTING EVERYONE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY REQUIRED, THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONS AND GIVE US THE ABILITY TO GET ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS IT RELATES TO THE SUBJECT. AND SO AGAIN, AND I, I URGE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE CONVEYED YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL. BECAUSE IF WE COME BACK TOGETHER ON SEPTEMBER THE 2ND AND WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY AND NOT GETTING TO THE FINISH LINE. SO I'LL, I'LL PUT MY THINGS OUT THERE THAT I MENTIONED IN CAUCUS. AGAIN, ADDRESSING OTHER DEPARTMENTAL SUPPORT BY THE CITY OF GROVE CITY, WE KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOCATING PARK STAFF TO THAT CLASSROOM SPACE IN ORDER TO UTILIZE IT, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR IT SUPPORT AND OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT POTENTIALLY, THE MAYOR SAID THERE'S NO INCREASED INSURANCE COSTS, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED IN CAUCUS. I'M INTERESTED IN. AGAIN, TRULY HAVING A LARGER SENSE OF HOW THE USE OF THESE FOUR CLASSROOMS FITS INTO OUR FORWARD LOOKING MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACES. I ALSO THINK THAT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE REALLY TIES TO MY OBSERVATION THAT WE MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN PARKS AND RECREATION, MOVING FROM THE 24 BUDGET TO THE 25 BUDGET, THE 2025 BUDGET IN TOTAL WAS ABOUT 47% HIGHER FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THIS IS A TO ME ALSO A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE BROOK PARK AND PROGRAMING FOR CLASSROOMS IN BROOK PARK WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE. AND THERE IS NO SPECIFIC LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET ADDRESSING THE USE OF BROOK PARK. REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AFTER WE'VE GOT X NUMBER OF MONTHS UNDER OUR BELT IN CALENDAR YEAR 2025, AND HOW THIS ADDITIONAL
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COMPONENT OF PARKS AND RECREATION. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING NICE ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF UTILIZING A SPACE THAT ALLOWS REALLY CONVENIENT ACCESS TO ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY. AND AGAIN, I MY GOAL IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL GET THE ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTIONS. AND WE HAVE A BROADER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS FOUR CLASSROOM SPACE FITS INTO THE LARGER MASTER PLAN, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMINOLOGY. LOOKING FROM THE YEAR 2025 FORWARD, NOT BACKWARD. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MAYOR CHAIR, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO DO WE KNOW HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE IN PROGRAMS THIS WILL SERVE PER MONTH? AND WE DO NOT HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER ON THAT. NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH IN THE SENSE OF HAVING AN IDEA OF PROGRAMING OFFERINGS? AND I THINK IF WE IF WE PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF WHAT OUR SESSION IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT TYPES OF CLASSES WE'RE GOING TO OFFER, WE CAN PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A MAX OCCUPANCY LOOKS LIKE VERSUS A 70% OCCUPANCY. THAT MIGHT HELP. I THINK, AS WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND FOCUSED ON FOR ADDITIONAL ROOMS, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 30,000 DIVIDED BY FOUR, $7,500 MORE PER ROOM, I'M WANTING TO UNDERSTAND. AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL SPACES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND BEING ABLE TO USE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS THAT EXIST THAT WE WOULD GET ACCESS TO AFTER 5 P.M. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, EVEN WITH THIS COST, HOW MUCH WE'RE TRULY PUTTING INTO A BUILDING AND HOW MANY PEOPLE AND PROGRAMS IT'S GOING TO SERVE. IF THIS IS $200 PER PERSON. I PERSONALLY WILL STRUGGLE WITH THAT KIND OF A COST. I THINK. ALSO, I WOULD BE CURIOUS. I AM THE LIAISON, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO THE PARK BOARD, I WAS NOT ABLE TO BE AT THE MOST RECENT PARK BOARD MEETING, SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THERE IS A STATEMENT FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PARK BOARD. WE EMPOWER AND ENGAGE AN INCREDIBLE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN SERVING ON THIS PARK BOARD FOR SOME, SOME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND I THINK HEARING THEIR THEIR STATEMENT WOULD BE VALUABLE. I THINK ALSO, AND I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF A LONGER TERM CONTRACT, BUT I DO WANT TO JUST GO BACK TO, AGAIN THE 2024 WORK SESSION WHERE WE ALL SAT IN A PUBLIC WORK WORK SESSION TOGETHER AND WERE VERY CLEAR THAT WE WANTED A LONGER TERM CONTRACT BEFORE WE WERE WILLING TO FISCALLY SPEND MORE MONEY INTO BROOK PARK. I THINK ANYBODY WHO IS RENTING A SPACE, I THINK MR. HOLT SAID THIS IF YOU WERE RENTING AN APARTMENT, YOU WOULDN'T GO AND RENOVATE THE KITCHEN AND PUT IN GRANITE AND MARBLE FLOORS WITHOUT HAVING A LONGER CONTRACT WITH YOUR. WITH YOUR LEASING. I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING STAFF IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE COST HERE DOESN'T INCLUDE STAFF, AND STAFF IS PART OF THE CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS FINE THAT IT'S PART OF THE CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET. BUT THEN I AM QUESTIONING WHAT ELSE IT COULD POSSIBLY TAKE AWAY FROM HAVING TO HAVE STAFF IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS. I ALSO JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT THAT AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT KINGSTON SCHOOL WILL BE OPERATING AGAIN WITHOUT THE PARKS REC SCHOOL. EXCUSE ME, WITHOUT THE REC SCHOOL IN THERE. SO I AM CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE ALREADY GOING TO OPEN UP NOW THAT THE REC SCHOOL HAS THEIR PERMANENT LOCATION BACK? AND LAST, I'LL END WITH, WELL, A COUPLE OF THINGS I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE DYER FOR THIS KIND OF PROGRAMING WE NEED MORE INDOOR SPACE. I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, ARGUE THAT POINT. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THAT. AGREE WITH THAT.I'VE ALSO SIGNED UP MY KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN WAITLISTED FOR PROGRAMS. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT AND IT'S SO DIRE, AND WHAT HAVE WE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST SO MANY YEARS? I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A HUGE CONVERSATION. I'VE BEEN PART OF IT TO PUSH TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOTTEN TO THIS POINT OF BEING SO DIRE. AND LASTLY, I'LL END WITH SAFETY.
THIS BUILDING OF BROOK PARK IS A MIXED USE BUILDING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOURS ARE FOR THE SOUTHWESTERN SCHOOL THAT IS USING THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOURS ARE FOR THE PALS PROGRAM. THE PALS PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM THAT UTILIZES THE SPACE FOR CHILDREN THAT NEED A DIFFERENT SPACE OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOME SCHOOL, WHERE THEY ARE REGISTERED WITH SOUTH-WESTERN CITY SCHOOLS. AND IF ANYBODY WANTS MORE INFORMATION ON THE PALS PROGRAM, WE SHOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AND PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY. I'M CERTAINLY NOT THE EXPERT IN THAT. BUT AGAIN, THIS THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OPEN. I DON'T HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE BATHROOMS AND THE PUBLIC USE OF THE BATHROOMS VERSUS MY CHILDREN
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WHO'D BE ENROLLED IN A PROGRAM OFFERING AND HOW THEY WOULD GET TO THE BATHROOM SAFELY. ARE THEY WALKING THROUGH THE HALLWAYS BY THEMSELVES? IS THERE OTHER STAFF THAT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR THEM? YOU KNOW, EVEN NOT PUBLIC WITH? THE SOUTHWESTERN SCHOOLS OR THE PALS PROGRAM, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL OF PUBLIC, I WOULD ASSUME, COMING IN FOR PICKLEBALL. I KNOW INDOOR PICKLEBALL WAS A GREAT, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE THAT THAT STARTED THIS BROOK PARK CONVERSATION. SO WHO ARE THE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY COMING INTO THIS BUILDING VERSUS THE KINGSTON SCHOOL WHERE THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE SO MUCH MORE ACCESS OF THIS MIXED USE WITH VISITORS. AND I THINK AS A PARENT, THAT IS A HUGE CONCERN. SO THANK YOU. SO, MR. BERRY, PLEASE GO AHEAD. I HAVE TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT. WE EXPLAINED ABOUT THE SAFETY EARLIER THAT A SEPARATE ENTRANCE WILL BE ENTRANCE IS THERE TODAY WITH THE WHEELCHAIR RAMP. WE HAVE A YOUNG MAN WHO IS A VERY, VERY EXPERIENCED PARKS AND REC PERSON. WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WITH THAT, AND I DON'T THINK I WOULD NOT ASSUME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS GOING TO DIRECT US IN A WAY THAT'S GOING TO PUT THE PUT THE CITY AT LIABILITY. I DID IT'S NOT WHERE HE COMES FROM. WE CAN ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THIS WE DO NOT HAVE A ROOKIE AND WE RUN PROGRAMS ALL OVER THE CITY. WE HAVE PEOPLE SEPARATED TODAY, THE SENIOR CENTER, ONE OF THE MOST ACTIVE THINGS YOU'D EVER WANT TO SEE AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO DEDICATE PEOPLE TO THE FRYER AND ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS. AND WE'RE DOING THAT TODAY. THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB. AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF SAFETY. IF SAFETY WAS A PROBLEM, BELIEVE ME, WE WOULD HAVE STOPPED THE ACTION LONG TIME AGO. BUT WE'LL GET THE ANSWERS. THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE BEEN SAID BEFORE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THE CITY LIABLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO FILL A GAP, AND NOBODY ELSE HAS COME UP WITH A SOLUTION. IF THEY COME UP WITH SOME ROOM THAT WE CAN MOVE INTO IT, NO COST. GOT THE IT IN IT. WE'RE ALL EARS, MA'AM. MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO STATE PUBLICLY THAT I THINK I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST FANS OF JACK CASSELL. I DO NOT THINK MR. CASSELL IS A ROOKIE, IF THAT'S WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO. MAYOR. FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, I, I BELIEVE THAT OUR PARKS AND REC IS UNDER AN INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP AND THOUGHT PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT PART OF THE SAFETY IS AT ALL JEOPARDIZED AS A COUNCIL AND AS AN OVERALL ADMINISTRATION, CREATING A MIXED USE SPACE WITH A SPACE THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND YOUTH. AS A PARENT, THAT IS WHERE MY SAFETY CONCERNS COME FROM. NOT AT ALL STATING THAT I THINK THAT OUR ADMINISTRATION IS NOT EXPERTS IN WHAT THEY DO AND MAKING SAFE PROGRAMING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. MR. HOLT, FIRST OF ALL, ORDINANCE C2225 IS WHAT GOT US TO THIS POINT. SO THE IMPETUS OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE INVOLVED IN ANY INVESTMENT IN BROOK PARK. NOW, WE PASSED THAT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO PERHAPS, AND THIS IS A POSITIVE OUTCOME IN MY OPINION. THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE. AND MY ONLY OTHER TWEAKS HERE IS I JUST WANTED YOU TO TREAT THIS LIKE A PROJECT JACK WITH A FINITE START AND END, A BUDGET AND UTILIZATION NUMBERS THAT WE CAN REPORT ON AFTER THE FACT THAT SAYS WE STARTED HERE, WE'RE GOING TO END HERE. WE'RE 80% FULL OF WHAT WE BUILT AND WHAT WE BUILT COST US THIS MUCH MONEY THAT WE APPROPRIATED OR ALLOCATED FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE FINAL THING FOR ME IS PROBABLY FOR MR. TURNER. I TOO, LIKE CHRISTINE, WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE PROFORMA OF THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR. AND UNDERSTAND, DID WE ACTUALLY SPEND THIS MONEY THAT WE BUDGETED MORE FOR IN 25, OR ARE WE SURPLUS BECAUSE THAT SHOULD THEN HAVE SOME IMPACT INTO OUR 2026 BUDGET. BUT GENERALLY I'M I FEEL LIKE THIS IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I'LL CONTINUE TO. SUPPORT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE AT THE POINT HERE WHERE I WILL YOU KNOW,[00:30:02]
JACK, THERE'S A LOT OUT HERE AND A LOT OF GREAT INPUT WAS GIVEN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL IF YOU COULD PLEASE PUT IN WRITING YOUR QUESTIONS TO JACK. SO, I MEAN, AS HE'S SITTING UP HERE, I, HE DOESN'T HAVE A PEN AND PAPER. I GOT THE TAPE THOUGH. YEAH HE'S GOT THE TAPE. BUT I MEAN IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD TAKE THE TIME AND SEND HIM AN EMAIL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. SO ON I WOULD ASK THAT THIS MEASURE BE TABLED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND. SO. POSTPONED. POSTPONED TILL TILL SEPTEMBER 2ND. SO I NEED A SECOND FOR THAT SECOND. WAS THERE NOT ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC? I DON'T HAVE A LIST.THANK YOU. IT'S. NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO, MOTION TO POSTPONE CR 3225 TO 9 225.
MR. DU. YES. BURROWS. YES. ANDERSON. NO. HOUCK. YES. HOLT. NO. BARRY. YES. MOTION APPROVED.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR. BERRY. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION OF OUR BUSINESS AGENDA FOR THE EVENING. AND THIS IS THE TIME THAT IF THERE IS ANY
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NEW BUSINESS TO BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, YOU MAY DO SO. AND WE ARE GOING TO KICK THAT OFF WITH A VERY LARGE PRESENTATION THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN ON PINS AND NEEDLES WAITING FOR, AND I HAVE JAMES RUSSELL AND ASHLEY SEND SIGNED UP TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT PRESENTATION.THANK YOU. I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF A LOT OF WORK, SOME OF YOU HAVING WORKED ON IT AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC HAVING WORKED ON IT. SO WE'RE REALLY PLEASED HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE YOU THE RESULTS OF COMMITTEE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, APPROXIMATELY ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS. IN THE MEAN TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER, COUNCIL HAD CREATED OR PASSED A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING TWO COMMITTEES TO STUDY THE COMMUNITY CENTER. ONE WAS FOCUSED ON SITE SELECTION AND THE OTHER BEING FOCUSED ON THE FINANCING. SO TONIGHT WE WILL BE PRESENTING THOSE RESULTS WHEN WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS FOR YOU. WE HAD A LITTLE KICK OFF WITH THE COMMITTEES HERE, AND I OUTLINED WHAT WAS AHEAD AND WHAT WAS AHEAD IS AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK BY EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING TWO THINGS. YOU HAD A PRELIMINARY REPORT THAT WAS DONE BY THE FIRM PROS WITH WILLIAMS ARCHITECT, WHICH REALLY PRESENTED WE'LL CALL MORE OF AN ACTIVITY PLAN OF THE SIZE AND WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS LOOKING FOR IN A COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT REPORT ENDED UP RECOMMENDING ABOUT 120,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. AND THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THE KICKOFF WITH THE BUDGET THAT WAS ALIGNED TO THAT WHEN WE LOOKED. AND I'LL BE PRESENTING THE SITE SELECTION SIDE. ASHLEY, WE TALK ABOUT THE FINANCE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO WITH THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS TO REVIEW THAT PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS ADEQUATE. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, AND I KNOW YOU FACE AND THAT WE FACE A LOT OF TIMES, IS WE START WITH A NUMBER THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY CORRECT. YOU START WITH SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY CORRECT BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVEN'T STARTED THE PROJECT. THERE IS A LONG TIME AHEAD IN THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN UNDERSTAND YOUR DETAILED FINANCING FOR THAT. SO WE NEEDED TO RECONSTRUCT A LITTLE BIT AND TALK THROUGH AND FOCUS ON THAT PROGRAM AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ADEQUATELY PROTECTED IN THE FUTURE. AND YOU HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT THESE THIS FACILITY COULD BE. KIND OF THAT'S MY LITTLE PREAMBLE. AGAIN, EACH OF THE COMMITTEES SPENT HAVING BIWEEKLY MEETINGS, I THINK WE ENDED UP WITH AT LEAST FOUR MEETINGS EACH, AND A LOT OF HOMEWORK THAT WAS DONE IN BETWEEN SESSIONS, AND A LOT OF FOLLOW UP PHONE CALLS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVERED EVERYTHING. SO VERY HAPPY WITH THE TURNOUT AND THE PROCESS THAT THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WORKED HARD FOR ON THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. I WANTED TO THANK, ESPECIALLY COUNCIL MEMBER BURROWS AND ANDERSON, WHO WORKED IN THAT COMMITTEE, AND ALSO PUBLIC MEMBERS SAM COOKE, CHRIS ROACH AND TRICIA ZELNICK, WHO ALSO SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM THAT CAME OUT OF THE WILLIAMS STUDY WAS ABOUT 120,000FTā !S, A LITTLE OVER 120,000FTā !S. A FEW OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DID AND WORKED WITH THE COMMITTEES TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID THAT, YOU KNOW, FIT IN THE MOMENT? THE SNAPSHOT OF THE TIME THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH? WERE THERE OTHER ACTIVITIES, OTHER SPACES THAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO RECOMMEND BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST WE WERE STARTING MORE OF THE WISH LIST OF WHAT COULD BE ADDED OR SHOULD BE ADDED TO MAKE SURE THE BUILDING
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FUNCTIONS. SO A COUPLE KEY ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT BACK INTO THE PROGRAM. ONE WAS THE ADDITION OF ABOUT 14,000FTā !S FOR SENIOR CENTER SPACE, TO AGAIN, PART OF THE GOAL OF HAVING A MULTI-GENERATIONAL SPACE DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE GENERATIONS REPRESENTED. SO WE BROUGHT 14,000FTā !S, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT SENIOR FACILITY, TO BRING INTO THAT, INTO THE PROJECT. ADDITIONALLY, IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMITTEE, WE ADDED A LITTLE OVER 5000FTā !S TO ADD TO THE POL TO MAKE IT MORE OF A COMPETITION POOL TO PROVIDE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS AND THE AND YOUR DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER FACILITIES, TOURNAMENTS, ITEMS THAT CAN RAISE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, RAISE A LITTLE BIT OF PROFILE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE AS WE WERE DOING THE PLANNING AND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, THAT THAT WAS ALSO BROUGHT INTO THE PROGRAM AT APPROXIMATELY 1800FTā !S. A COUPE OTHER SPACES THAT WE'LL SEE MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE PUBLICLY FOCUSED WERE THE ADDITION OF A TEACHING AND DEMONSTRATION KITCHEN IN THE FACILITY. THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO WHAT WOULD BE SERVICING THE SENIORS. BUT TO REALLY HAVE A PROGRAMMATIC PIECE, THERE'S A COUPLE FACILITIES THAT WE'VE WORKED ON AND PRESENTED SOME OF THAT. I THINK THE LINDEN REC CENTER WAS ONE OF THE NEWER ONES THAT WE DID WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, AND SO WELL USED PART OF THE ACTIVITY AND REALLY A NEW LINE OF PROGRAMING. SO THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE FACILITY APPROXIMATELY 2000FTā !S. WE LOOD AT THE ADDITION OF FOUR COMMUNITY SPACES JUST TO HAVE AGAIN AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR RENTAL, FOR USE, FOR PROGRAMING. THAT WAS APPROXIMATELY 500FTā !S FOR PER ROOM AT ABOUT 2000FTā !S.ADDITIONALLY ABOUT 800FTā !S FOR SOME CONFERENCE AND TRAINING SPACE, A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED ON BUSINESS. IF YOU THINK SUE, THAT COULD BE USED BY SENIORS, TEENAGERS, JUST TO HAVE A SPACE WHERE YOU COULD PLUG IN AND DO A LITTLE WORK IN YOUR FACILITY AND NOT NECESSARILY TAKE AWAY FROM A COFFEE SHOP, BUT JUST SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR PROGRAMING. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ADDED AN ADDITION TO THE COMPETITION POOL. IS NOT TO FORGET ALL OF YOUR YOUNGER RESIDENTS, AND THAT IS TO REALLY ADD SOME SPACE FOR SOME PARTY ROOM SPACE OFF OF THE POOL, OFF OF THE INDOOR POOL. WE'RE SEEING. THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT ADDITION IN UPPER ARLINGTON'S COMMUNITY CENTER, AND SOME OTHERS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY BOOK SOME SPACE, HAVE SOME PARTIES IN AND AROUND YOUR INDOOR POOL. SO THAT WAS ADDED INTO THE SPACE. AND THERE'S TWO OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE LOOKED AT WHICH TOOK THAT. I'LL SAY THAT INITIAL ACTIVITY PROGRAM AND TURNED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO A BUILDING PROGRAM OF SPACES. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T ALWAYS SEE. BUT WHAT MAKES A BUILDING LIVE, AND THAT IS HAVING THE PROPER GROSS UP GROSSING AREA, BECAUSE IN YOUR BUILDING, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SPACE WE'RE IN IS THE MEASUREMENT OF THE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT. BUT THERE'S THE THICKNESS OF THE WALLS. THERE'S THE CORRIDORS THAT LEAD THROUGH THE BUILDING, SPACES THAT YOU NEED TO ALLOW FOR YOUR HVAC SYSTEM. AND SO THAT IS JUST SYSTEMATIC OF THE FUNCTION OF A BUILDING. SO WE GET THE ACTIVITY SPACE. BUT WE NEEDED TO INCREASE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR BUILDING COULD FUNCTION AND THAT WE ARE COVERING IT, NOT CHASING IT DOWN. WHEN THE BUDGET IS HIGHER THAN YOU EXPECT IT TO BE.
THAT ADDED ABOUT 22,000FTā !S TO THE FACILITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT'S THAT UNKNOWN HIDDEN SPACE THAT YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. AND THEN FINALLY A CIRCULATION FACTOR THAT WOULD PICK UP THE ADDITIONAL SPACE WE BROUGHT IN. AND THAT IS THE AREA THAT COVERS HALLWAYS AND RESTROOMS AND STAIRWELLS, THINGS, AGAIN, THAT ARE NOT OCCUPIED SPACE, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY A PART OF HOW THE BUILDING FUNCTIONS. SO WE LOOK AT ALL THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO THE PROJECT. IT EXPANDED YOUR FACILITY FROM THAT 120,000, UP TO APPROXIMATELY 188,000 TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEN WHEN YOU'RE MOVING INTO THE SITE SELECTION, MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A SITE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT PROJECT AND THAT BUILDING AND DO A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE ROOM FOR EXPANSION, WHICH WAS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMITTEE, HAVE EXPANSION ROOM, MAKE SURE YOU HAD ADEQUATE LAND FOR PARKING AND SOME ADJACENT USES. IF THERE'S SOME OTHER FIELD USE THAT CAN BE ACCOMPANIED. AND SO ALL THAT WAS BROUGHT IN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSIDERING THE RIGHT SIZE SITES, THAT BASE PROGRAM, WE LOOKED AT APPROXIMATELY 15 ACRES, A LITTLE OVER 15 ACRES TO ACCOMMODATE THE BASE. THE NEW BASE PROGRAM WITH THE ADDITIONAL SPACES DURING THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMITTEE, BROUGHT UP OR WANTED TO CONSIDER THE POTENTIAL TO ADD, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO ADD A TOURNAMENT SOCCER FACILITY TO THE COMMUNITY? ONE WOULD THAT WOULD SERVE TWO PURPOSES TO BE A POTENTIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO RUN HIGHER LEVEL TOURNAMENTS AND BRING AND REALLY USE IT AS AN ATTRACTION EFFORT, AND THEN ALSO TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO YOUR RESIDENTS. WHAT WE LOOKED AT IN KIND OF PROGRAMING A TOURNAMENT
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FACILITY, WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS APPROXIMATELY 12 FIELDS. TO THAT WE CONSIDER MORE CHAMPIONSHIP IN SOME CASES ARE LIT FOR THE LARGER TOURNAMENTS AND THEN OTHER WELL SERVICED, WELL DRAINED FACILITIES. SO YOU CAN ATTRACT THE TYPE OF TOURNAMENTS THAT YOU WOULD WANT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING REVENUE TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN YOU ADDED THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE, IF WE WERE TO SITE IT TOGETHER, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 31 ACRES TOTAL GROUND. AND THE COST OF THAT TOURNAMENT FACILITY IS IN THE RANGE OF 17 TO $18 MILLION JUST TO CONSTRUCT THE FIELDS, THE SUPPORT SPACES, CONCESSION AREAS THAT YOU WOULD FEED THAT PROJECT. SO THE COMMITTEE IS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE KNOW THE BASE PROGRAM BEING A LITTLE OVER 15 ACRES, AND WERE THERE SITES AVAILABLE THAT COULD HOLD BOTH PROGRAMS ON ONE SITE OR AT LEAST GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON? YOU COULD SEPARATE THOSE AND BE ON TWO DIFFERENT SITES. SO THAT'S KIND OF SETTING THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE PHYSICAL SPACE OF THE SITES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I'M GOING TO INTERJECT HERE BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, FOR THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. JUST A NOTE TO MAKE A RECORD OF ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS IN REAL TIME, SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT PUT THAT OUT THERE. GO AHEAD AND MAKE NOTE OF YOUR QUESTIONS SO WE CAN HAVE A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION. AND THEN ALSO FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO I NOTICE HAVE CAMERAS OUT THIS ENTIRE PRESENTATION WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE WITH THE MEETING ON OUR WEBSITE. SO JUST WANTED TO INJECT THOSE BEFORE YOU BEGIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO NOW ARMED WITH SOME BUDGET INFORMATION THAT WE COULD SEND OVER TO ASHLEY AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OF WHAT THEY NEEDED TO CONSIDER, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE PROCESS, WHAT WAS THE BEST PROCESS TO USE TO EVALUATE SITES IN YOUR IN YOUR COMMUNITY? WE WORKED WITH THE COMMITTEE ON THE SITE TO COME UP WITH KEY CRITERIA THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO YOU. WE'LL SHOW YOU THE EYE CHART AFTER. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO READ IT, BUT THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH 59 INDIVIDUAL CRITERIA, ALL WITH SPECIFIC ISSUES THAT WERE IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROCESS AND IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. AND THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WERE FOCUSED ON. IN ADDITION, THE COMMITTEE WORKED WITH OUR STAFF TO WEIGHT THOSE ITEMS. SO ITEMS OF IMPORTANCE THAT WERE A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM THAN OTHERS WOULD HAVE A HIGHER WEIGHTING. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING THESE SITES, WE ARE LOOKING AT CRITERIA ESTABLISHED BY THE COMMITTEE AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT WERE BROUGHT UP AS PART OF THE SCORING SYSTEM. SO THEN THE COMMITTEE WORKED ON IDENTIFYING POTENTIAL SITES THAT WOULD HOLD BOTH THE BASE PROGRAM AND THE EXTENDED PROGRAM. WE CAME UP WITH A LIST OF 18 SITES THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE INITIAL CRITERIA, AND THEY WILL SHOW YOU A MAP IN A MINUTE. THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE TRYING TO NOT ONLY MEET CRITERIA, BUT MEET AVAILABILITY. YOU HAVE A GROWING COMMUNITY AND YOU UNDERSTAND PROBABLY BETTER THAN ALL OF US THAT FINDING SITES TO DO LARGER PROJECTS ESPECIALLY IS REALLY KIND OF DIFFICULT. SO WE ENDED UP WITH THAT INITIAL 18 SITES, AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS THAT WAS A MULTI-LAYERED SCORING PROCESS. MY STAFF INDIVIDUALLY SCORED ALL 18 SITES. WE PRESENTED THE RESULTS OF THAT SCORING TO THE COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE SCORED NINE OF THOSE SITES. SOME OF THOSE FELL OFF BECAUSE OF OBVIOUS REASONS. EITHER SITE WASN'T QUITE LARGE ENOUGH UTILITY ISSUES NOT BEING IN THE IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. SO THE COMMITTEE THEN REVIEWED AND SCORED NINE SITES INDEPENDENT OF OUR SCORING, AND WE BROUGHT THOSE SCORING TOGETHER AND IDENTIFIED SOME TOP SITES. AND THEN WE DID SOME SCORING ON A COUPLE BY THE COMMITTEE TO GET US TO SIX SITES AND A COUPLE OTHER SITES THAT WE BROUGHT IN, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAD ADEQUATE PUBLIC DEBATE ON THE DISCUSSIONS OF ALL THESE SITES.AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN A MINUTE. THEN THE FINAL PROCESS THAT WE DID WITH THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS TO TAKE THOSE SIX SITES AND TWO OTHER SITES. WE DID, AND YOU'LL SEE, WE'LL PRESENT IN A MINUTE SITE SPECIFIC LAYOUTS OF YOUR PROGRAM, OF YOUR BASE PROGRAM, AND HOW IT COULD FIT ON EACH OF THESE SITES, BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PUT THE SITES IN CONTEXT WITH THE BUILDING. SO SOMETIMES A BUILDING CAN FIT A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW THE COMMITTEE EXACTLY HOW THIS BUILDING COULD WORK. IT IS NOT A FINAL DESIGN, IT IS NOT FINAL SITE. IT WAS MORE TO ALLOW THEM TO VISUALIZE NOW THE SITES AND HOW THEY COULD FIT. THEN WE ASKED THE COMMITTEE TO. WE GAVE THEM FIVE NUMBERS, ONE THROUGH FIVE, AND THEN ASKED THEM TO RANK FIVE, THE TOP FIVE OF THE EIGHT OF THE EIGHT SITES. SORRY, THAT WERE PRESENTED AT EVENING WITH SITE SPECIFIC LAYOUTS FOR ALL OF THOSE. AND THAT ENDED UP WAS HOW WE GOT TO A FINAL OF SIX SITES AND ONE SITE THAT WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, WHICH IS THE
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EXISTING CURRENT SITE, AND HOW THAT KIND OF PLAYED INTO THE MESSAGE AND PART OF THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE DID. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH. NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S THE CHART OF 59 ITEMS. IF YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK, THAT'S A LITTLE OVER 10,000 INDIVIDUAL LINES OF CRITERIA THAT WERE EVALUATED BETWEEN OUR STAFF AND YOUR COMMITTEE. SO A LOT OF FOCUSED WORK ON THE PROJECT. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. WE WILL BE PROVIDING, AS PART OF THE FINAL REPORT TO YOU THAT WE HOPE TO HAVE PRINTED BY THE END OF THE WEEK, ALL OF THE BACKUP. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE SCORES AND ALL OF THAT INDIVIDUAL WORK THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THE FINAL LIST OF FIVE SITES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT RANKING, SITE NUMBER 16. IN FACT, COULD YOU SKIP AHEAD ONE JUST TO KIND OF PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS ALL 18 SITES FLAGGED ON HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OVER THE PLACE A LOT OF SHAPES AND SIZES.SO THIS WAS WHERE WE STARTED IN TERMS OF EVALUATING THOSE INITIAL 18 SITES, WHICH LED TO THE FINAL SITES. WE CAN GO BACK ONE TO KEEP YOU BUSY HERE. OKAY. SO THE TOP FIVE SITES AND EACH OF THESE TOP FIVE SITES ARE ADEQUATE TO SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT. AND SO FROM THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ALL OF THESE SITES ARE SUITABLE AS YOU ADVANCE THEM BECAUSE SOME ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. TWO OF THIS LIST ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OR THE PUBLIC.
AND SO IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY THAT ALL OF THESE SITES CAN WORK AND FUNCTION FOR YOUR BASE PROGRAM, AND A FEW OF THEM THAT CAN SUPPORT THE FULL PROGRAM. IF YOU WISH TO CO-LOCATE THAT. THE TOP FIVE SITES OR THE HIRTH PROPERTY, WHICH WILL SHOW THESE IN INDIVIDUAL IMAGE FOR YOU, WHICH WAS SITE NUMBER SIX. M.W. HOOVER PROPERTY SITE NUMBER 12, MURFIN FIELDS AND UNDERSTANDING THE CHALLENGES. THERE ARE CHALLENGES FOR EACH OF THESE, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE ALL RECOMMENDED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND CERTAINLY THIS IS BY NO MEAN HAS ANY DECISION MADE. AND IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF WHAT WORKS PRACTICALLY, NOT ONLY FOR THE SOCCER ASSOCIATION IN THE CITY, BUT IT'S PART OF THAT DUE DILIGENCE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADVANCED. PINNACLE PARK HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR TWO LOCATIONS ON PINNACLE THAT COULD FIT THE LARGER PROGRAM, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN A MOMENT. AND THEN HANDSWORTH PARK IS ANOTHER PUBLICLY OWNED SITE THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAM. THE EXISTING WISE SITE WAS CONSIDERED BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY, THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, BUT WITH A CERTAIN SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MEETS COUNCIL'S GOAL OF HAVING A CITY OPERATED SITE THAT COULD BE EXPANDED TO MEET THE GOALS OF THE MULTI-GENERATION FACILITY. AND PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE IS THAT THAT IF THERE IS A FOCUS THERE TO MAKE SURE THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET FROM AN OPERATIONAL OWNERSHIP STANDPOINT. BUT THE SITE ITSELF, AS YOU'LL SEE, IS ONE THAT SCORED HIGH BECAUSE OF ITS CURRENT USE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME SAVINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPANDING SOME OF THAT USE INSTEAD OF BUILDING NEW. SO THAT'S ALL THE SITES THAT WILL BE COMING TO YOU FORMALLY. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SITE, THEN ONE MORE NEXT SITE. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THE LIST FOR YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL 18. THESE ARE ALL THE 18 SITES. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU DO IT. SO IF YOU WANTED TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE MAP AND THE SITE YOU COULD SEE EACH OF THE SITES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. FIRST SITE TO REVIEW THIS IS THE HIRTH PROPERTY. THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER PARCELS THAT WERE CONSIDERED. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 170 ACRES, WHICH YOU'LL SEE ON THIS IS THAT THERE'S A FEW AREAS ON THAT SITE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE BASE PROGRAM. AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO SHOW THE COMMITTEE THREE DIFFERENT SITES WAS BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT WANT, AS PART OF NEGOTIATIONS TO ACQUIRE ALL 170 ACRES, THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS IN THE CONFIGURATION THAT WOULD GIVE YOU GOOD VISIBILITY, GOOD DEVELOPMENT, AND STILL LEAVE BUILDABLE AND DEVELOPABLE GROUND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO IT WAS JUST A CONSIDERATION OF NOT JUST YOUR FACILITY, BUT ALSO IF YOU WEREN'T BUYING OR NEGOTIATING OR SOMEONE WASN'T INTERESTED IN SELLING AN ENTIRE LARGE SITE, PARCELS OF THOSE SITES WOULD BE USABLE. SO THESE ARE THREE LAYOUTS OF THAT 188,000 SQUARE FOOT PROGRAM THAT COULD FIT ON SITE NUMBER SIX. NEXT SLIDE, SITE NUMBER 12, WHICH IS HOOVER OWNED BY M.W.
HOOVER LLC ON LONDON GROVE PORT ROAD. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 95.7 ACRES. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT SITE, YOU REMEMBER THE BOTTOM LEFT WHERE YOU START SEEING THE VACANCY ON HERE GOES UP TO THE CLOSER TO THE INTERSTATE. AND SO IN CONSIDERING HOW YOUR PROGRAM WOULD FIT ON THIS SITE AND AGAIN, LEAVE A DEVELOPABLE PIECE FOR THAT LANDOWNER, THIS IS THE
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REALLY PROBABLY THE ONLY CONFIGURATION ON THIS SITE THAT CAN WORK, WHICH YOU CONSTRUCT A CUL DE SAC AS PART OF IT THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE OTHER PARCEL. THIS IS THAT SITE IS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDED SITES FOR FURTHER INVESTIGATION. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS MURFIN FIELDS. THERE'S A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY ON MURFIN FIELDS. THIS IS BASICALLY SHOWING A CONFIGURATION WHERE YOUR BASE PROGRAM COULD FIT AND STILL ALLOW FOR OTHER SOCCER FIELDS. SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE FULL COMPLEMENT OF SOCCER FIELDS. BUT OF THOSE FIELD LAYOUTS YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP OR KEEP PROBABLY 6 TO 8 FIELDS AROUND THE PARK. SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD WAS THE POTENTIAL THAT THE CITY COULD BUY ONE OF THE LARGER PARTS, DO A LAND SWAP, OR WORK IN COORDINATION WITH THE ASSOCIATION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COUPLE NICE TOURNAMENT FACILITIES OR REPLACEMENT FIELDS TO GET IT ALL TO FUNCTION. SO THIS IS THE MURFIN FIELD SITES.YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT LAYOUT COULD SHIFT A LOT OF WAYS, BUT JUST WANTED TO PUT IT IN A LOCATION WHERE YOU'D SAVE SOME DEVELOPMENT COSTS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF EXISTING PARKING AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS SITE NINE, WHICH IS THE PINNACLE PARK LAYOUT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S TWO PARCELS EITHER SIDE THE WEST SIDE OF THE DRIVE OR THE RIGHT. BOTH CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECT. THE BASE PROGRAM. YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S THAT THE COMMITTEE ALSO DISCUSSES. YOU DO HAVE A OLDER TREE STAND ON THE WESTERN PARCEL, BUT ALSO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PARCELS THAT YOU OWN. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION YOU MAY MAKE. THAT'S AN EASIER CONFIGURATION BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THAT SITE. THE EASTERN SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAM. THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE POTENTIAL TO BUY AND ADD TO THAT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED, BECAUSE IN THIS CONFIGURATION, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S A LONG BUILDING STARTS GETTING A LITTLE BIT LONGER BECAUSE OF THE NARROWNESS OF THAT SITE. SO IF YOU COULD SHIFT IT UP, THE BUILDING COULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER A DESIGN CONFIGURATION TO MAKE IT EASIER TO WALK FROM ONE END OF THE BUILDING TO THE OTHER. IT'S ALL ABOUT EXERCISE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T GETTING TIRED BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE OTHER END OF YOUR FACILITY, SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE. WE WANTED TO SHOW AGAIN, THE CITY SITE THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND WE, AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO INVESTIGATE SOME ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. NEXT PARCEL. THIS IS HANDSWORTH PARK. AND SO THIS FITS THE CONFIGURATION FITS THE BASE PROGRAM. WE KNOW THERE'S EXISTING PARK AND TREES IN THE SITE AGAIN AS THE AS FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS DONE ON ALL THE SITES, THE ECONOMIC REALITIES OF THE PROJECT WILL FIND ITS WAY. ONCE YOU REALLY START UNDERSTANDING ACQUISITION COSTS, TRUE DEVELOPMENT COSTS RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER COSTS. SO AGAIN, PROGRAM FITS. IT CAN BE SHIFTED EAST OR WEST TO ACCOMMODATE OR MINIMIZE SOME OF THE IMPACT. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE NOT DISPLACING THE PURPLE HEART MEMORIAL, BUT WE JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU HOW THAT SITE COULD FIT ON AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS THE CITY WIDE SITE. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS SITE, IT ALLOWS YOU TO DO A COUPLE THINGS TO SEPARATE PROGRAMMATICALLY THE BASE PROGRAM AND MOST OF THE POOL FUNCTIONS. AND SOME OF THAT EXPANSION COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SPACE OF THE EXISTING POOL. SO OUTDOOR POOL. SO IT'S JUST AGAIN CONFIGURATION ON HOW THIS SITE COULD BE USED AND DEVELOPED FOR YOUR COMMUNITY CENTER. SHOULD YOU ADVANCE THOSE DISCUSSION. AND IT ENDS UP MAKING SENSE TO YOU. I THINK THE EXISTING SITE WHY SITE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. SO WHAT WE ASKED THE COMMITTEE TO DO ON A COUPLE OF THESE, WE'LL SAY THE SPECIAL PROJECTS, BUT THEY'RE ONLY SPECIAL BECAUSE OF LAND CONTROL. BROOK PARK WAS ONE THAT WE LOOKED AT AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS ADEQUATE REVIEW OF IT. AND IT WAS BASICALLY WHAT WE ASKED THE COMMITTEE TO DO IS PRETEND THAT THERE'S NOTHING THERE. SO IT WASN'T TRYING TO FIT. IT WAS WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND THE WISE SITE THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE IS NOT NECESSARILY TAKING AWAY WHAT'S THERE BECAUSE OF THE USE, BUT BUT POTENTIALLY EXPANDING IT AND MAKING IT WORK FOR YOU AND YOUR PROGRAM. NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE IN SUMMARY ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. AGAIN THE PROGRAM BE ADVANCED AT THE 188,000FTā !S. IT'S NOT YOUR FINL DESIGN. IT GIVES YOU FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT AGAIN. THAT BUDGET RANGE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED AND ASHLEY WILL TALK ABOUT GIVES YOU A RANGE OF HIGH QUALITY. IT'S JUST WITHIN THE RANGE OF PRICING THAT WE GAVE YOU. YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE WHAT YOU WANT. EVERYTHING WILL BE OF HIGH QUALITY. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PICKING SOMETHING REALLY CHEAP AND SOMETHING REALLY NICE. IT'S
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JUST A MATTER OF WHERE YOU END UP WITH SOME OF THE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. THAT RECOMMENDED SQUARE FOOTAGE, AT A MINIMUM IS 15.4 ACRES, ALLOWS FOR YOU TO HAVE EXPANDING PARKING, EXPANDED BUILDING FOOTPRINT, AND PARKING THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THAT.WITHIN THAT ACREAGE. THE SIX SITES THAT I WENT OVER ARE WHAT IS WHAT BEING PRESENTED AS FINALIST SITES BEING HIRTH, HOOVER, MURFIN, FIELDS, PINNACLE AND HENCE ROTH AND THEN GROVE CITY. WHY IS THAT OTHER OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER MORE IF YOU CAN WORK THROUGH AN ACCEPTABLE DEAL? AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THREE OF THE SITES CAN ACCOMMODATE BOTH THE TOURNAMENT FACILITY IF YOU WOULD WANT, AND SOME OF THE THINGS WE'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW OUR OPINION ABOUT THAT IS YOU WANT TO BE CAREFUL HAVING ALL OF THAT IN THE SITE. THAT LOCATION BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT. AND LOOKING AT DO YOU SEPARATE ENTRANCES IN A WAY SO YOU'RE NOT BURDENING YOUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT THAT COULD BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER, BUT IF YOUR RESIDENTS CAN'T USE THE FACILITY THAT YOU BUILT, THEY WON'T BE HAPPY. SO WE RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CO-LOCATE THOSE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO ACCESS INGRESS, EGRESS AND HOW IT'S SET UP SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE YOUR COMMUNITY FACILITY IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. SO THAT'S PART OF SOMETHING TO BE LOOKING AT IN THAT BUDGET IS $5 MILLION FOR ACQUISITION. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. SO IF IT ENDS UP THAT THE FINAL, FINAL SITE IS A PUBLICLY OWNED SITE, THAT'S $5 MILLION THAT EITHER YOU'RE NOT SPENDING OR GET ROLLED INTO THE BUDGET. SO WE WANT YOU TO CARRY THAT. AND TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THINGS WERE RANKED, IF THESE SITES DON'T WORK OR YOU CAN'T WORK OUT THE RIGHT DEAL, YOU KNOW, THEY WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM TO YOU IN ORDER ALL THE OTHER 18 AND SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO KIND OF MOVE IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A SITE THAT CAN'T HOLD IT. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING FOR YOU ON THE SITE. SO IF YOU'RE OUT DOWN A LOT OF QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. AND ASHLEY AND CARLO ARE HERE TO HELP ME. IF I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND COMMENT. FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS A PLEASURE WORKING WITH EVERYBODY IN THE TEAM. IT WAS, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE MET MORE THAN FOUR TIMES. YEAH, I KNOW AT LEAST AT SOME POINT THE ONE FACT OR FIGURE ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THE 15.4 ACRES, THAT IS LIKE A BARE MINIMUM BECAUSE I THINK WE WERE KIND OF TALKING MORE CLOSER TO 20. A LOT OF TIMES, YEAH. IF YOU REMEMBER, PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS IF YOU WOULD WANT TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM AND ADD SOME OTHER FIELDS AND SOME OTHER ASPECTS.
SO MOST OF THE SITES CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. A FEW ARE REALLY THIS BASE PROGRAM. BUT IN THE 15 ACRES THERE'S STILL EXPANSION GROUND. IT'S JUST NOT IT'LL BE A MORE DETAILED PLANNING STUDY THAT YOU WOULD DO WITH YOUR DESIGN, OR YOU WOULD LOOK AT IN THE CASE OF PINNACLE, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO MOVE TO A LARGER PARCEL OR ACQUIRE THAT OTHER TO GIVE YOU A CUSHION. BUT THE 15 ACRES STILL HAS EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING IN ADDITION TO THE PROGRAM. OKAY, THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THANKS. MR. MAYOR, YOU WENT OVER A LOT OF STUFF, SO I KNOW I'M GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING I'M GOING TO GO BACKWARDS TO THE BEGINNING. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 5800FTā !S FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER, FOR THE FOR THE COMPETITION AREA. GIVE, GIVE ME AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I GO TO RPAC UP AT OSU IS, IS THAT ARE WE TALKING FIVE LANES OF 25M? WE'RE TALKING FOUR LANES OF 50M. WHAT ARE WE TALKING THERE? YEAH. AND IN HERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE POTENTIAL FOR DIVING PIT FOR COMPETITIVE DIVING, SEPARATE BODIES OF WATER. SO IN CARLOS THE ARCHITECT. SO I KNOW HE'S DYING TO ANSWER THIS, BUT PART OF WHAT WE WENT OVER WITH THE COMMITTEE IS BEING ABLE TO SEPARATE AND WALL UP PARTS OF THE WATER. SO IT JUST BECOMES A MORE COMPLICATED SYSTEM. AND AGAIN, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE COMPETITION LANES, TO BE ABLE TO HOLD EVENTS THERE. SO THAT GETS WIDER, MORE LANES WHILE PRESERVING PUBLIC SPACE. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THOSE. YOU HAVE TO. CAN YOU COME TO THE DIAZ, PLEASE, BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE CAN HEAR YOU. IT'S YEAH. THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT SOME CIRCULATION AROUND THE POOL. SO YEAH, A POOL DECK. SO THINK OF A, YOU KNOW, A LAY DOWN AREA FOR TOWELS, CIRCULATION OR WHATNOT. SO THAT'S NOT WATER AREA. IT'S NOT JUST THE WATER IS THE WATER PLUS THE DECK. AND THEN THE ANCILLARY SPACE THAT YOU TYPICALLY FIND IN A COMPETITION SETTING OR A DIVING POOL SETTING. SO IN A NORMAL COMPETITION SETTING THERE'S USUALLY TEN LANES. AND IT'S USUALLY 25 AND 50M. SO HOW MUCH WATER ARE WE TALKING HERE? I MEAN ARE YOU TALKING TEN LANES OR ARE YOU TALKING 25M? YOU'RE TALKING 50M. WE ARE TRYING TO VISUALIZE ASSUMED FIVE LANES. FIVE LANES AT 25M OR 50M AT 25M.
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OKAY, AND ONE OTHER THING, COUNCILMAN TO AND YOU'LL HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WITH ASHLEY. THERE IS SOME CONNECTION FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE ON THE POOL THAT GOT BACK TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TO ADD SOME OPTIONS, BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY CONSTRUCTING THAT NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR THE CITY USE, BUT THE POTENTIAL USE BY THE SCHOOLS. SO THERE'S SOME FUNDING STRATEGIES THAT COULD GO ALONG WITH THAT. BUT IT WAS NOT IT'S NOT THE DRIVING FORCE OF THE PROGRAM. IT WAS HEY, IF THIS CAN FIT AND USE IT. SO WE WANT TO JUST ACCOUNT FOR IT TO MAKE SURE THE SITES COULD ACCOMMODATE IT. YEAH. I'VE GOT I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT.I'LL EMAIL THEM TO YOU. THE ON THE PARTY POOL. ONE THING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MENTIONING THIS IS IT GOING TO HAVE A DEFINED SPIN AWAY FROM THE COMPETITION AREA, MEANING BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE HAVING COMPETITION, YOU DON'T WANT KIDS RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THE I KNOW IT'S A DESIGN QUESTION, BUT IT'S JUST YEAH, IT'S MORE OF A DESIGN. BUT THE WAY THAT AND IN THAT BUDGET WAS TO ALLOW FOR THE RECREATION SIDE OF THE POOL TO MAINTAIN AND BE OPEN AND, AND TO HAVE ENOUGH AREA TO SEPARATE THAT. SO NUMBER OF NUMBER OF COURTS, NUMBER OF BASKETBALL COURTS. WHAT DID IT WHAT ARE YOU THINKING. SO PART OF THIS EXERCISE WAS NOT TO GET INTO THE DETAIL WE BUILT. WE BUILT ON. YEAH. ON THE WILLIAMS PROGRAM. AND WHAT WAS THEY REALLY COVERED MOST OF THAT. THE ACTIVITY SPACES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS, ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOU AND WILL COME OUT AS PART OF THE DESIGN. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD IN YOUR DESIGN, YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT REALLY ALL OVER AGAIN TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON ON NOT ONLY NUMBER OF COURTS, BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN TO TRY TO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO TIGHTEN THE BUDGET, THE POTENTIAL TO USE IF YOU'VE SEEN THEM NOW, A BASKETBALL COURT FOR A VOLLEYBALL COURT. BUT THE CONVERSION HAPPENS FROM THE TOP DOWN AND NOT POST. SO IT REALLY GIVES YOU MORE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MULTI-PURPOSE PLANNING AND PROGRAMING. SO A LOT OF THAT WILL BE FIGURED OUT. WILLIAMS DID A GOOD JOB OR PROS DID A GOOD JOB IN IDENTIFYING THOSE SPACES, BUT THE DESIGN SIDE WILL ENHANCE THEM TO MAKE THEM ECONOMICAL FOR YOU AND THEN MEET THE SPECIFIC NEEDS, BECAUSE IT'LL BE A DIFFERENT TIME WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I'LL I'LL JUST SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH ALL MY QUESTIONS ON THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE, THE THAT HAD TO TAKE A LOT OF EFFORT TO PRIORITIZE THESE LOCATIONS. THAT WAS REALLY AND THE COMMITTEE WERE PART OF THAT. SO THEY KNOW THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S AWESOME. THE OKAY, SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, BECAUSE I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE ASKED IF, IF, IF, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, WE CAN WE CAN LEVEL EVERYTHING AT BROOK PARK EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE OWN. CAN IT CAN A FACILITY FIT THERE? YEAH. SO WE DID THE SAME LAYOUT.
THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMITTEE SAW ON BROOK PARK. AGAIN, NOT KEEPING BUT BASICALLY KEEPING THE SPLASH PAD AND SOME OF THE AREAS AND BUILDING AROUND IT.
BUT IT WOULD TAKE YOU LEVELING THE ENTIRE SPACE, BUT IT CAN FIT. SAME PROGRAM FITS. YOU KNOW, YOUR PARKING WAS THE ONE THAT COULD GET TIGHTER THERE ONCE YOU EXPAND IT, BUT IT ALL FITS ACTUALLY IN A IN A FAIRLY LINEAR FASHION, BUT IT FITS GOOD AROUND THE SPLASH PAD SO IT CAN ACCOMMODATE IT. AND THEN MY SECOND FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MY, WHEN IT COMES TO FRIAR PARK, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT THAT YOU WENT INTO THIS. IF YOU HOW MUCH LAND DID YOU NEED FOR THE COMPETITION AREA TOTAL WITH THE WITH ALL THESE FOR THE POOL PIECE? NO, NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE TOURNAMENT FOR THE FOR THE TOURNAMENT FIELDS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. HOW MUCH, HOW MANY ACRES, HOW MUCH ACREAGE DO YOU NEED FOR THAT? SO IF YOU'RE DOING IF YOU WERE JUST SEPARATING, IF YOU'RE SEPARATING, YOU COULD DO THE TOURNAMENT FACILITY ON 17 TO 20 ACRES IN PROGRAM FOR EVERYTHING. IT'S ABOUT 31 ACRES WE THINK GIVES YOU ADEQUATE SPACE. SO ABOUT 31 THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE BOTH ON THE RIGHT SITE OR 17 OR 18 FOR THE TOURNAMENT FACILITY.
SO EVEN IF WE WERE IF THE NUMBERS EVER LINED UP IT, FRIAR PARK IS THERE, 31 ACRES DOWN THERE THAT THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO BUY MORE LAND? YEAH, I THINK THAT CONFIGURATION IS A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER. THE WAY THAT THAT'S SET UP. IT'S NOT EASILY SET UP. AND I KNOW ONE OF THE SITES, I THINK IT WAS SITE NUMBER EIGHT, IT'S ON ON THE BIG SCREEN. IT'S NOT ONE THAT WAS A FINALIST, BUT IT IS A BIG RECTANGLE ORIENTED THE RIGHT WAY FOR TOURNAMENT FACILITIES. A LITTLE OVER 120 ACRES ON THE BIG BACK. IT KIND OF SITS UP OFF OF BROADWAY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THAT IS VERY NEAR WHERE YOU'RE THE Y IS. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE THAT YOU COULD BRING IN AND ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF WHAT WE ASKED THE COMMITTEE LOOK AT TO IN TERMS OF THE TOURNAMENT FACILITY IS THE ORIENTATION. SO YOU HAVE THAT NORTH SOUTH ORIENTATION TO THE FIELDS. AND SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF HOW THE TOURNAMENT FACILITY COULD FIT.
YOU DON'T WANT FIELDS GOING EAST AND WEST. IF YOU HAVE KIDS, YOU KNOW HALF OF THEM ARE BLINDED THE FIRST HALF. SO I MEAN I'M GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. I'LL EMAIL EVERYBODY WITH THE QUESTIONS. BUT I WAS JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT WE OWN. CAN WE CAN WE DO THIS ON
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LAND THAT WE OWN CURRENTLY IF WE SPLIT IT UP. YEAH. AND, AND AGAIN OF WHO? YOU HAVE TWO SITES THAT YOU CURRENTLY OWN THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE A THIRD THAT YOU OWN IN PARTNERSHIP THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE IT. THAT'S THOSE ARE PROBABLY THE TWO BEST FINANCIAL OPTIONS FOR YOU, I'M ASSUMING ONCE YOU GET THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAIL. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE SITES WERE THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO ADVANCE THOSE BECAUSE THAT MAY BE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'LL BE LEFT WITH WHEN YOU'RE NEGOTIATING OTHER ACQUISITION. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST EMAIL EVERYBODY MY QUESTIONS TO YOU. SOUNDS GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MY PORTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATED TO SITE SELECTION? GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND YOU KNOW MY $0.02 WORTH JUST TO THROW THAT OUT THERE AS IT RELATES TO THIS CONVERSATION ON SITE SELECTION IS I HOPE WE WILL REALLY LEAN INTO THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE. AND AS YOU HAVE DESCRIBED, WE'VE GOT SIX SITES THAT ARE ARE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND WE NEED TO YEAH, WE NEED TO WORK, WORK THOSE CONVERSATIONS. AND THEN YOU'RE YOU'RE KIND ENOUGH ALSO TO SAY. AND HERE THEY ALL ARE IN IN IN NUMBER RANKING ORDER SO THAT WE HAVE THAT LIST TO WORK THROUGH. BUT THE PURPOSE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING THESE TWO TOPICS IN AND HAVING PEOPLE REALLY DO THE DEEP DIVE WAS TO GIVE US THAT JUMPING OFF POINT FOR THESE FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. SO FOR SURE, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS OBJECTIVE AS YOU CAN. AND THAT'S WHAT THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WITH A LOT OF DETAIL. SO YEAH, I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT TO START WITH. THE OTHER PIECE IS TIMING IS EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE CONTROL OF A SITE, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES GOOD SITE BY THE TIME YOU GET TO IT IS SOMEONE ELSE'S GOOD SITE. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO WORK QUICK. SO. HEY, ASHLEY. GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE OR I'M SORRY, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION. MY NAME IS ASHLEY AND I'M A DIRECTOR AT SOLUTIONS. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH A MORE BRIEF THAN THE SITE SELECTION SUMMARY OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER RANDY HOLT AND COUNCIL MEMBER ANTHONY WILSON WHO PARTICIPATED, AS WELL AS MICHAEL FARNSWORTH, JAMIE HANNON AND GARY JAMES. SO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S WORK WAS SPREAD OUT OVER FOUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS. AND JUST LIKE THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, A LOT OF HOMEWORK. SO WE REALLY DIVIDED OUR WORK INTO TWO SEPARATE BUCKETS. ONE WAS THE OPERATIONAL FUNDING AND ONE WAS THE CAPITAL FUNDING. SO I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH BOTH AND WE'LL START WITH THE OPERATIONAL FUNDING. SO YOU CAN SEE SUMMARIZED HERE THAT BASED ON THE PROS ESTIMATE OF A $5 MILLION ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET, WE STARTED TO LOOK AT OPTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR COST RECOVERY. WE EXAMINED SEVERAL EXAMPLES THROUGHOUT CENTRAL OHIO. IT REALLY VARIES ANYWHERE BETWEEN 50 TO 85% OF RECOVERED COST GOAL, WHICH WOULD BE THROUGH MEMBERSHIPS AND FACILITY RENTALS. SO WE SETTLED ON KIND OF SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RANGE, WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF 75% AT THE THIRD YEAR OF OPERATIONS. SO IN A $5 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET SCENARIO, THAT WOULD ACCOUNT FOR $3.75 MILLION OF YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET, THE REMAINING 25%, OR $1.25 MILLION, IS WHERE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AND SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU. THE FIRST IS TO CONSIDER AN INCOME TAX INCREASE. AN ADDITIONAL 0.5% WOULD YIELD $11.3 MILLION ANNUALLY. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S FAR MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE UP FOR THE 25% OF YOUR OPERATING BUDGET GAP. SO THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT YOU RAISE THROUGH THE INCOME TAX INCREASE WOULD BE AT YOUR DISPOSAL. THEY COULD BE USED FOR MANY OTHER THINGS. YOU COULD EARMARK A PERCENTAGE OF IT TO GO THROUGH FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. OR YOU COULD JUST YOU COULD JUST LEAVE IT OPEN ENDED. THE OTHER THING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JIM TOUCHED ON TALKING ABOUT THE COMPETITION POOL IS REACHING OUT TO THE SOUTH-WESTERN CITY SCHOOLS THAT ARE LOCATED IN GROVE CITY AND JACKSON TOWNSHIP. WE WANT THIS COMMUNITY CENTER TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF ALL OF YOUR RESIDENTS, AND SO WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT AND SEE WHAT OTHER NEEDS THERE ARE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS FACILITY COULD HELP PROVIDE.SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD EXPLORE IS IN THE EXAMPLE OF A COMPETITION POOL, MAYBE HAVING A GOAL OR SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE SCHOOLS WOULD HOLD A CERTAIN NUMBER OF
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TOURNAMENTS IN THE FACILITY EVERY YEAR, AND YOU COULD BAKE THAT NUMBER, THOSE FEES INTO YOUR OPERATING PROFORMA. SO OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE WORK WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TO EXPLORE THAT.BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOME WOULD BE GREATER THAN ALL OF ITS PARTS.
ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS I KNOW THAT YOU RECENTLY CREATED A GROVE CITY PARKS FOUNDATION, AND WE THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE A GREAT FIRST, FIRST CAMPAIGN TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE THOUGHT THAT AN ASPIRATIONAL GOAL OF $1.5 MILLION MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. THIS WOULD BOTH ADD TO YOUR OPERATING BUDGET, BUT ALSO REALLY HELP TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AND START TO BUILD EXCITEMENT. AND IT WOULD HELP YOU PRE-SELL MEMBERSHIPS. THE LAST THING THAT WE RECOMMEND EXPLORING IS SOME KIND OF RENTAL OPERATING SPACE WITH A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE PROVIDED THAT WE DID REALLY SUCCESSFULLY WITH THE CITY OF UPPER ARLINGTON. THEY HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE OHIO STATE WEXNER MEDICAL CENTER, WITH A LONG TERM LEASE FOR 35,000FTā !SN THEIR FACILITY. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE THE FACILITY IS LANDLOCKED, AND SO THE CITY WANTED TO EXPLORE WAYS TO BUILD FUTURE EXPANSION SPACE, BUT ALSO FIND A PROVIDER TO HELP FUND THE SPACE. IN THE MEANTIME, BEFORE THE CITY WANTED TO TAKE IT OVER AND SO THEY WERE ABLE TO SIGN A LONG TERM LEASE WITH THE WEXNER MEDICAL CENTER TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO RESIDENTS THAT COMPLEMENT THE WELLNESS MISSION. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL FUNDING BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
SO AS JIM SAID, FOR OUR ANALYSIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT PROJECT COSTS FOR YOUR BASE PROGRAM AT APPROXIMATELY $102 MILLION AND FOR THE BASE AND TOURNAMENT PROGRAM AT APPROXIMATELY 110 TO $120 MILLION. SO GROVE CITY IS VERY FORTUNATE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOU HAD A LOT OF GREAT OPTIONS. AND THE ONE THAT THE COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON TO RECOMMEND IS EXTENDING THE PINNACLE TIF. RIGHT NOW, IT'S SET TO EXPIRE IN 2035. WE RECOMMENDED EXTENDING IT UNTIL 2050. IT CURRENTLY ACCRUES APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION ANNUALLY. WE THINK THAT THAT WILL THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW AS YOUR ASSESSMENTS RAISE. SO WE THINK THAT CONSERVATIVELY, YOU COULD ACCRUE APPROXIMATELY $125 MILLION OVER 25 YEARS THROUGH THE PINNACLE TIF. AS AN INDUCEMENT TO EXTENDING THE TIF. WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER GIVING JACKSON TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS A MEMBER RATE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIFF? OKAY. THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, IF YOU COULD ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. IS THAT ALL OF THE COSTS THAT WE REVIEWED, THAT JIM REVIEWED WITH YOU JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO IS ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD PROCEED IMMEDIATELY INTO SITE ACQUISITION AND START DESIGN IN EARLY 2026. SO THE COMMITTEE CONSIDERED THAT PUTTING AN INCOME TAX ISSUE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER OF 2025 WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE ALREADY IN AUGUST. SO. YEAH, RIGHT. SO WE PROBABLY WANT TO WANT TO TAKE A YEAR, DO A, DO SOME MORE VOTER EDUCATION. BUT WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND CONTINUING TO ADVANCE THE DESIGN DURING THAT TIME. THIS WOULD DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRSTLY, I MEAN THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A WHOLE YEAR TO GET THROUGH DESIGN. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, OPTIONS FOR POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIPS, FOR OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AND REALLY TO DEVELOP EXACTLY WHAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE. THAT IS GOING TO GIVE YOUR RESIDENTS A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ACTUALLY IT IS THAT THEY WOULD BE VOTING ON. SO IF WE WAITED AN ENTIRE YEAR, WE WOULD BE FAR INTO DESIGN. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY IN THE BUILDING, AND WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO GIVE RESIDENTS A BETTER IDEA OF THE ACTUAL COST FOR THE BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED. WE ALSO THINK THAT THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR A LOT OF VOTER ENGAGEMENT AND EXCITEMENT. LIKE I SAID, WE WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND WORKING WITH THE GROVE CITY PARKS FOUNDATION ON FUNDRAISING AND THAT PRELIMINARY OUTREACH, BUT GIVING YOU A WHOLE YEAR TO DO TRUE
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COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE BY THE TIME THE BALLOT ISSUE DOES COME UP IN NOVEMBER OF 20 2026, THERE WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AND PEOPLE WILL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR A YEAR. SO I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE TO EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE TO REALLY GIVE YOURSELF THE TIME TO ADVANCE, SO THAT YOU CAN ALLOW THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON A REAL PROJECT. IF YOU IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO WAIT, WE ESTIMATE THAT THE CENTER WOULD OPEN APPROXIMATELY 13 MONTHS LATER, AND THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS INCREASE AND THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE FEES WOULD AMOUNT TO APPROXIMATELY 3.5 MILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR THE SAME BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS? MINE WAS MINE WAS SHORTER. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS SEGMENT? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK EARLIER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL OPERATING REVENUE SOURCE. COULD BE FOR RENT PAYMENTS. DO YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT LIKE SPONSORSHIPS OR NAMING RIGHTS OR ANY TYPE OF FUNDRAISING OR. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT MAYBE THE BEST VEHICLE FOR THAT WOULD BE THROUGH YOUR FOUNDATION FUNDRAISING EFFORT. THAT ALL COULD BE TIED INTO THE $1.5 MILLION TARGET. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO EXCEED THAT TARGET, THAT'S EVEN BETTER. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MAYOR. FIRST, THANK YOU GUYS.YOU'RE REAL PROFESSIONALS AND ALWAYS HELPS US. THE DESIGN PHASE. DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND AS TO WHAT WHAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ALLOCATE FUNDING FOR THAT? SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COST OF DESIGN, RIGHT, THE COST OF THE DESIGN WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OVER 2.5 MILLION TO START THE WHOLE DESIGN OF. I THINK IT'S ABOUT $2.5 MILLION TO ADVANCE THE DESIGN PORTION OF THE PROJECT. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS TO MINIMIZE THAT 3% INSTALLATION SIZE AND OFFSET IT WITH PARKING, GOING AHEAD AND REPAYING THE DESIGN FEE JUST TO KIND OF START FINISHING AROUND THE SAME TIME. SO IF YOU HAVE A POSITIVE VOTE ON THE INCOME TAX, YOU COULD JUST MOVE RIGHT INTO. SO THAT WOULD BE FROM WHENEVER WE AGREE ON SOME OF THE CONCEPTS UNTIL NOVEMBER OF 26 OR OCTOBER 26TH, 2.5 MILLION. NOW THAT'S ONE ESTIMATE. WE'LL WE'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN THERE. BUT AND THEN I SHOULD ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE, I DID NOT SEE A THEATER OR AN AUDITORIUM IN THAT. IN THOSE NUMBERS, IS THERE A THEATER IN THERE, THEATER COMPONENT? IF IT WAS NOT IN THE PROGRAM, THE WILLIAMS AND THE PROS STUDY THAT WE DID NOT PICK UP ADDITIONAL SPACE YOU HAVE. WITH THE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT WAS PROGRAMED, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT WITH THE COMMITTEE. TALK ABOUT IS FLEXIBILITY IN THOSE SPACES, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT YOU COULD OPEN THEM UP TO MAKE ONE LARGE SPACE. SO CONFIGURING SOME OF THAT SPACE COULD EASILY ACCOMMODATE, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF SEATING. IF IT'S THEATER, THEATER SEATING AND YOU'RE ANYWHERE PROBABLY MORE THAN 150 SEATED, YOU'D NEED TO ADD TO IT. BUT ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT, YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE AS PART OF YOUR DESIGN JUST TO ADVANCE. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF THINGS. JUST JUST A REMINDER TO USE THE MICROPHONE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GETS CAPTURED. A COUPLE OF THINGS, JUST TO CLARIFY AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDRAISING IN A FACILITY LIKE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES. AND PART OF WHAT YOU WOULD WORK THROUGH OVER THAT DESIGN IS TO IDENTIFY THE KEY SPOTS. THAT WOULD BE WHERE NAMING RIGHTS WOULD BE ASSUMED AND WHERE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SELL. AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING OF, HEY, LET'S IDENTIFY THEM EARLY. A LOT OF TIMES AS YOU'RE ADVANCING, YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND SAY, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO FUND FROM A CAPITAL STANDPOINT? HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO RELY ON THAT? OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU OVER RAISE AND YOU'RE ABLE TO DO A BETTER JOB, IT'S JUST ADDITIONAL BENEFIT BACK TO THE CITY. SO THOSE SPACES WILL BE KEY. THE OTHER THING TO UNDERSTAND ON THAT THIRD PARTY SPACE, A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU DID IN UPPER ARLINGTON, BECAUSE AS ASHLEY HAD MENTIONED, THAT WAS VERTICAL EXPANSION BUILT INTO THE BUILDING. SO WHEN THE LEASE WAS UP, THEY GOT THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT, BUT IT WAS REALLY ABOUT CAPTURING SPACE SOMEWHERE 15 OR 20 YEARS WITH ILL NEED IT HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO FUND YOUR BUILDING GROW. UPPER ARLINGTON PART OF THEIRS WAS A TIFF, AND THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE UP THAT REVENUE. IN A CASE HERE, IF YOU WOULD BUILD ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD ALL BE ROLLED INTO THE LEASE. SO IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE FUNDING YOU. YOU WOULD NEVER DO THAT UNLESS IT WAS A
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DEAL THAT WAS PROFITABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND DID NOT MESS UP YOUR FUNDING, AND THAT WAS A KEY CHALLENGE FOR UPPER ARLINGTON, BECAUSE ISSUING MUNICIPAL DEBT, YOU CANNOT HAVE A TAXABLE ENTITY, YOUR YOUR TAX EXEMPT BONDS GO AWAY. AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A TENANT THERE THAT WAS WOULD COMMIT TO A NONPROFIT STATUS FOR THE DURATION OF THE LEASE OR TO PAY THE COST OF REISSUING TAXABLE DEBT AT THEIR EXPENSE HERE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT, YOU KNOW, BOB'S BONDSMAN SELLING BONDS OR JUST ANY TENANT. YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE. YOU WANT ONE FIRST. THAT'S GOING TO COMPLEMENT THE USE FACILITY, BUT ONE THAT'S NOT GOING TO MESS UP YOUR FINANCING EITHER. AND YOU ARE BLESSED WITH A LOT OF MEDICAL NONPROFIT PARTNERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, ALL THAT PROBABLY HAVE GREAT INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY ADVANCING CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU. WE'VE HEARD FROM A FEW OF THEM, SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT DUE DILIGENCE OF MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU, CHAIR. I JUST HAVE ONE STATEMENT. I AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE TEAM AND EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE SITE OR EXCUSE ME, IN ALL OF THE COMMITTEES AND EVERYBODY WHO'S COME OUT TO PUBLIC MEETINGS. IT'S VERY EXCITING TO HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR THROUGH ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS. AND NOW WE HAVE GREAT CONCRETE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TWO, TWO ITEMS FOR ME. ONE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS A YOU KNOW, WHAT SURFACES. AND THE VERY BEGINNING OF OUR FINANCIAL PRESENTATION IS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT AN INCREASE IN OUR INCOME TAXES. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS NOT A LEGISLATIVE ACTION, THAT THAT IS A DECISION THAT GETS TAKEN TO OUR VOTERS. AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. AND OBVIOUSLY, MAKING IT VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TELL THE STORY OF WHAT WHAT THOSE DOLLARS WOULD BE USED FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A VERY COMFORTABLE LEVEL UNDERSTANDING AND BE ABLE TO IMAGINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, MAKING YOUR ASSESSMENT OF KEEPING THIS MOVING FORWARD IN THE INTERIM, I THINK, IS IMPERATIVE. PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FRONT OF THEM, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO VOTE ON. I ALSO THINK BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED TO ME A COUPLE TIMES IF, IF JACK WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE GROVE CITY PARKS FOUNDATION, BECAUSE IT IS IN ITS INCEPTION PERIOD IN OUR COMMUNITY, I'D RATHER NOT CLOSE THE MEETING WITHOUT ADDRESSING THAT PUBLICLY. JACK, IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK TO THAT BRIEFLY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A SENSE. YEAH, ACTUALLY. SO WE ARE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF INITIAL PARKS AND REC FOUNDATION THAT WOULD SUPPORT OUR DEPARTMENT AND OUR INITIATIVES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO THIS WE'RE WORKING WITH STEPHEN SMITH TO FINALIZE THAT LAST PIECE. AND BUT I THINK EVERYTHING IS RUNNING SMOOTH SO FAR. WHAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR WITH THE IRS AND WE HAVE AN EIN NUMBER AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, SO SHOULD IF EVERYTHING GOES GOOD WITH THE WITH CITY ATTORNEY, WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING NEXT, NEXT COUPLE MONTHS OKAY. AND AGAIN JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THAT THAT INFORMATION JACK. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HEARING A STATE OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOW IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIPS ARE GOING TO BE IN AN UNDERTAKING LIKE THIS. AND I THINK WE HAVE LONG AGO IDENTIFIED THE DEMAND. AND SO WE HAVE TO HOPE THAT THAT DEMAND BEARS OUT AND ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM THAT BRINGS PEOPLE TO THE TABLE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US TO MAKE THE MAGIC HAPPEN. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS PRESENTATION? I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE TWO COMMITTEES. LOTS OF WORK, LOTS OF GREAT DISCUSSIONS. I WAS THERE FOR THE AT THE ONSET TO HEAR WHAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO. AND I KNOW IT WAS A, A MOUNTAIN OF WORK. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANY OTHER ITEMS FROM COUNCIL AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD, I THINK FROM MR. BERRY TO, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NEXT. WE GOTTA WE'RE GOING TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME SOME ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON THE CALENDAR TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SIGNED UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS AS WELL THIS EVENING CARTER DOW CARTER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? OH BOY I'M BACK. CARTER DOW 4113 CYPRESS AVENUE, GROVE CITY. I HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH MISS HOUK ON THE PHONE ABOUT OUR CITY[01:25:01]
CHARTER, AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE I COULDN'T TALK TO. I WROTE DOWN SOME OF MY CONCERNS, AND MISS HOUK HAD SOME VERY REASONABLE CONCERNS TO WHY WE SHOULD CHANGE THE CHARTER. I MEAN, SHE TOLD ME SOMETHING I WASN'T AWARE OF, AND THAT'S THAT EVERY MEMBER OF ADMINISTRATION SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE MAYOR. AND SHE EXPLAINED THAT, LIKE, IF THE MAYOR DIDN'T LIKE CHUCK'S SHIRT, HE COULD HE COULD FIRE HIM. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM. THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT WAS NOT. YOU LOOK GREAT TODAY, CHUCK. SORRY. I FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY THAT WASN'T A DIRECT QUOTE. OKAY. BUT I WANTED TO NOTE THAT I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE MAYOR'S VETO POWER, AND THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DIRECTLY VOTE FOR THE MAYOR. AND I WAS WONDERING WHY COUNCIL WOULDN'T OR HASN'T LOOKED INTO MAYBE THE IDEA OF MAKING IT SO THAT THE MAYOR HAS TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO ADMINISTRATION OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAKE SOME GUIDELINES TO HOW HE CAN FIRE PEOPLE, BECAUSE I THINK GUTTING THE EXECUTIVE IS JUST KIND OF I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT IT LOOKS KIND OF DANGEROUS TO ME, AND I FEEL LIKE IT OPENS THE DOOR OF HAVING A CITY MANAGER THAT'S MORE LOYAL TO COUNCIL THAN CONSTITUENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED WITH CONSTITUENTS VOTING THEM OUT. I REMEMBER LEARNING IN AMERICAN GOVERNMENT, THE OHIO CONSTITUTION. THEY HAD THE EARLY ONE. THEY WERE THE SENATORS WERE APPOINTED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, AND THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THAT BECAUSE SENATORS WERE MORE LOYAL TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY THAN THEY WERE THEIR CONSTITUENTS. JAMES MADISON PROPOSED TO CONGRESS WHEN THEY WERE DRAFTING THE CONSTITUTION. THAT WHY DOESN'T CONGRESS CHOOSE THE PRESIDENT? WELL, HE WAS RESPECTFULLY LAUGHED OUT OF THE ROOM. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WHY ARE WE MOVING TOWARD A CITY MANAGER AND NOT JUST LIMITING THE EXECUTIVE A LITTLE BIT? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE END RESULT OF OUR TELEPHONE CALL AS WELL. AND YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR SEAT. BUT BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GRAPPLING WITH, CARTER, AS YOU KNOW. AND THOSE TWO ISSUES, THE VETO POWER AND WHO CHOOSES THE PERSON THAT IS THAT THAT'S CALLING THE SHOTS. THOSE ARE KEY TO THIS CONVERSATION. AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE STILL WE'RE STILL HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.AND I BELIEVE I'M JUMPING THE GUN. BUT OUR MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND WILL BE OUR FIRST EXPLORATION OF A DRAFT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO PLEASE KEEP COMING. 530 WE'RE GOING TO RETURN TO THAT 530 START TIME. AND YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT YOU REACHED OUT TO ME AND WE HAD A NICE CONVERSATION. BUT AGAIN, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP LOOKING AT THIS FROM ALL SIDES AND PERSPECTIVES. APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THE GROUP THIS EVENING, AND THAT IF THERE IS NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING AND I DON'T SEE ANY, THAT BRINGS US TO
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MAYOR STAGE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, AND A GREAT MEETING. THANKS TO THE COMPANY AND ALL THE. THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME FORTH AND TO THE COMMITTEES THAT ALL WHO ALL WORKED ON THAT, BECAUSE IT IS A BIG JOB AND I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WE'RE NOT DETERRED FROM THAT WITH ANY OTHER ACTIVITY. SO LET'S KEEP IT GOING. THE STATE OF THE CITY FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES IS GOING TO BE OCTOBER THE 16TH OF THIS YEAR. AND OUR SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEVELOPMENT, STATE OF OHIO. AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE VERY INTERESTING. THE LAST WEEK I ATTENDED A OHIO MAYOR'S ALLIANCE MEETING IN CINCINNATI. THAT WAS, WHAT, A WEEK AND A HALF AFTER THE DEBACLE, THE FIGHT AND SO FORTH. AND IT WAS INTERESTING. THE MAYOR OF CINCINNATI WAS THERE. NEAL. HI. MAYOR'S ALLIANCE IS A TOP 3030 PLUS CITIES IN IN OHIO BY WAY OF POPULATION. WE WERE ONE OF THEM. AND IT WAS DEPRESSING TO LISTEN TO THE MAYOR AS TO THE OTHER CONSEQUENCES FROM THE WAY THE PRESS COVERED THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND IT TAKES YEARS FOR THOSE WORDS AND THOSE ACTIONS TO BE REVERSED. SO IT WAS KIND OF A DEPRESSING COMMENT. AND WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT FOR INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES.SPRINGFIELD IS ONE OF THEM ALSO. AND THIS ALLIANCE AND THEY WENT THROUGH IT. THEY'RE JUST NOW GETTING OUT FROM UNDER THE SOMEBODY EATING A DOG INCIDENT IN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THAT. BUT IT'S SCARY. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED IN GROVE CITY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YEARS, YEARS TO GET IT BACK. WE DID GET A THANKS TO MIKE TURNER AND HIS
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STAFF, A AN EXCELLENT REPORT FROM THE AUDITORS, AND I'M SURE HE'LL WANT TO SAY SOMETHING MORE ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT. MIKE WRIGHT, HE DID SUCH A GOOD JOB. WE HAVE A WE CALL OR A MEETING OFF TO COME BACK AND REPORT AGAIN. WE DID RECEIVE TODAY. A MARIJUANA DISPENSARY APPLICATION, AND IT IS AT THE LOCATION OVER ON JACKPOT ROAD BY THE RECOVERY FACILITY. SO THAT WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE WHEN IT WILL MAKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA, BUT IT'S MISSED THIS MONTH, I BELIEVE. I KNOW IT HAS OCTOBER, SO THAT'LL BE COMING BACK. KENNY MCDONALD I THINK MOST OF YOU MAY KNOW THAT NAME. HE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF ONE COLUMBUS, AND IT ALSO BEEN THE DIRECTOR OF THE CLEMENTS PARTNERSHIP. HE HAS RETIRING AND IT'S AFFECTED FAIRLY IMMEDIATELY. AND THAT'S GOING TO LEAVE A GAP IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE KENNY KNOWS GROCERY VERY, VERY WELL. AND THOSE BUMPS IN THE ROAD, YOU CAN'T ANTICIPATE LABOR DAY WEEKEND IS A BIG WEEKEND. WE HAVE THE DRONE SHOW IN PLACE.WHAT ELSE? JACK, FOR LABOR DAY, THE KIDS? YEAH, YEAH, THE KIDS GAMES, ACTIVITIES AND JUST LIKE A LITTLE MINI FESTIVAL AROUND THAT TO TRY AND INCREASE PARTICIPATION. AND THEN IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, NOTICE SOMETIME WE'RE GOING OUT 70 STRINGTOWN ROAD 71. WE HAVE A NEW FLAGPOLE ERECTED. AND WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE THAT TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO COORDINATE IT WITH THE SEPTEMBER 11TH EVENT. SO WE'RE NOT PUTTING A FLAG UP UNTIL WE HAVE IT DEDICATED. IT WILL BE LIGHTED. AND IT'S VERY APPEALING. I'VE SEEN IT AT NIGHT AND THERE WAS A FLAG UP, WHICH IS OKAY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. THE LAST THING GOING ALONG WITH THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE HAD THE GANT ROAD BIKE PATH, THE HAN ROAD FROM PAUL HAYES TO JC SUMMER IS OPEN, AND ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AS WELL AS A CONVENIENCE ISSUE. AND I HAVE TO COMMEND CINDY AND HER CREW, OUR ENGINEERING FIRM, AND GETTING THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER, BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO GET IT, TO GET IT RUNNING UP AND AVAILABLE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS. AND WE'VE MADE IT. AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE HAD TO INFRINGE ON. SO THAT'S MY REPORT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MAYOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. BOWSER? CERTAINLY. I WANT TO THANK PEZZUTTI FOR THEIR EFFORTS IN THE REC CENTER DISCUSSION, AND CERTAINLY THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF. IF ONE THING IT INDICATES IS WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS KELLY. NOTHING. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MR. SCHEMPP, NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY DEPARTMENT HEADS IN THE ROOM? OH, WHEN IT STARTS GETTING LATE, NOBODY HAS ANYTHING TO REPORT ON. WE'RE GOING TO BE. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HIT US WITH A WHOLE LIST IN SEPTEMBER, AREN'T YOU? OKAY, WELL, I'LL.
I'LL LET IT SLIDE. ALRIGHT. CLOSING COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL, MR. DO. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS WEEK SCHOOLS OPEN UP. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE HEADS UP TO EVERYBODY. THERE'S GOING TO BE LITTLE KIDDOS AND BUSSES AND ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO TRAVEL TO YOUR ACTIVITIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ROAD SAFETY STARTS WITH US. LET'S NOT PASS UP ON THE OPPORTUNITY, MR. BERRY. SO I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO PUT THIS IN AN EMAIL. MAYOR AND CHUCK, BUT BROAD VIEW LIVE AND UPDATE ON THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO NOT LET THAT LAG BEHIND TOWN CENTER PARK. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE WORKING ON SOME PROPOSALS TO GIVE TO COUNCIL, SO WE NEED TO GET THAT ON THE BOOKS AND SCHEDULED THE. SEE WHAT ELSE. OH, I, I WAS THE I HAD ONE CONSTITUENT THAT WENT DOWN THE NEW BIKE PATH ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND EVERYTHING AND JUST LOVED IT. SO I, I'M GOING TO BIKE OVER THERE LATER THIS WEEK. BUT YOU KNOW GREAT REVIEWS ON THE BIKE PATH, OVER 71 AND EVERYTHING. AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY CENTER I'LL BE SENDING, I'LL WORK WITH TAMMY AND CHRISTINE AND WE'LL WE'LL GET IN AS SOON AS WE CAN. WE'LL GET AN EMAIL OUT FOR DATES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS AS SOON AS
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POSSIBLE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. BERRY. MR. HOLT. I KNOW IT'S ONLY AUGUST, BUT IT'S BUDGET TIME. AND SO, AS THE FINANCE GUY, I'M GOING TO JUST THROW OUT SOME DATES HERE.COUNCIL CAN TAKE SOME NOTES AND I'LL FOLLOW IT UP WITH AN EMAIL. AND FOR THE PUBLIC, THESE WILL ALL BE CHANCES FOR YOU TO LISTEN TO THE BUDGET, UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THE BUDGET AND ASK QUESTIONS.
THEY'LL ALL BE PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO WONDER HOW WE GOT COMMUNITY CENTER FUNDING OR WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE BUDGET. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR THIS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO RATTLE OFF FIVE DATES HERE. THE FIRST ONE IS AUGUST 31ST. COUNCIL, PLEASE SEND ME ANY MUST HAVES IN THE BUDGET FOR 2026. THAT WILL GET US TO OCTOBER 27TH, WHEN THAT'S A REGULAR, THAT'LL BE A SPECIAL MEETING. AND THAT'LL BE AFTER ALL, THE DEPARTMENTS HEADS HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSALS. AND AT THAT TIME WE'LL TAKE A PRELIMINARY OUTLOOK ON THE BUDGET. AND IT'LL BE A SPECIAL MEETING. SO PUBLIC INPUT CAN BE HAD THERE. AND THEY CAN YOU CAN LISTEN THERE. AND WE'LL JUST DO A PRELIMINARY VIEW OF WHAT THE BUDGET'S LOOKING LIKE FOR 2026. NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE BUDGET IS DUE TO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 17TH, AND SO THAT'LL BE COUNCIL'S FIRST TIME TO SEE THE SUBMITTED BUDGET FROM THE MAYOR AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. AND WE'LL PROBABLY CURSORILY GO THROUGH THAT. JUST UNDERSTAND A FEW OF THE NUMBERS. BUT THERE'LL BE ALSO OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR PUBLIC TO MAKE COMMENT. AND THEN FINALLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE MAYOR. I'VE KIND OF ASKED HIM I HAVEN'T GOT HIS CONSENT YET, BUT ON DECEMBER 1ST WE'RE GOING TO DO A PUBLIC THAT'S THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO A NARRATIVE BY THE BY THE MAYOR. HE'LL GO OVER THE BUDGET, MAYBE SUMMARIZE BY DEPARTMENT, JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT'S CHANGING IN 2026. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY'S SQUARE ON WHAT THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE IN THE BUDGET. AND THEN COUNCIL HAS UNTIL 1224 TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. THAT WAS DISCUSSED ON DECEMBER 1ST. AND OUR FIRST CHANCE TO DO THAT WILL BE ON THE 15TH OF DECEMBER. SO IT'D BE NICE TO GET IT DONE ON THE 15TH OF DECEMBER. SO THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH THE NEXT FOUR MONTHS OF BUDGET WORK. AND AS MENTIONED HERE, THERE'S A COUPLE ITEMS IN THERE WE MIGHT NEED TO CONSIDER FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER IN THE BUDGET DESIGN, ENGINEERING. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT TAX THINGS WE COULD ACTUALLY DO WITHOUT A WITHOUT A VOTE. WE HAVE INSIDE MILLAGE. WE COULD MAYBE LEVERAGE PRIOR TO THAT. SO WE'LL SEE WHERE ALL THAT STARTS TO PHASE INTO THE BUDGET OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THAT'S IT FOR ME, A BUNCH OF TECHNICAL STUFF. THANK YOU, MR. HOLT. YES. WHENEVER YOU TALK BUDGET AT THE END OF A MEETING, YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THERE THERE ON PINS AND NEEDLES HEARING THIS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THE YEAR. THANKS, MISS BURROWS. I KNOW MR. TIFFORD IS NOT HERE TONIGHT. AT LEAST I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO HIM AND HIS ENTIRE TEAM IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT FOR A WONDERFUL NATIONAL NIGHT OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. IT WAS WELL ATTENDED, LOTS OF FAMILIES AND KIDDOS, AND THERE WAS EVEN A LIKE A DUNK OR SPLASH TANK. I THINK THAT HE SAT IN ANYWAYS. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY HOT.
BUT IT WAS A LOT OF FUN AND I WAS HONORED TO BE PART OF THAT. AS A MEMBER OF THE CITIZEN POLICE ACADEMY HERE IN GROVE CITY. SO JUST THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO MADE THAT SUCH A SUCCESS. THANK YOU. SEEM LIKE A RECORD TURNOUT. IT WAS REALLY A BIG NIGHT, MISS ANDERSON. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO ME. AND I'M GOING TO BE SUPER BRIEF. THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE HAVE WILL BE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND. AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE RETURNING TO THE EARLY TIME SLOT OF 530, THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WITH THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS IS STILL AT 7 P.M, BUT AT 530 WE WILL BE HAVING OUR CONTINUED CHARTER DISCUSSION AND EVERYONE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY HOLIDAY WEEKEND THAT'S COMING. GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. IT HAS BEEN REALLY A JOY FOR SO MANY EVENTS TO SEE THE CROWDS TURNING OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THE WEATHER IS COOPERATING SO NICELY WITH ALL OF THAT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FACT THAT I'M OUT WATERING EVERY SINGLE DAY. I'M NOT
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BITTER, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. IF THERE ARE NO