[00:00:05] WELL, IT'S 1:30, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING STARTED. [A. CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL] LET'S START OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. ROACH, MISS WEMLINGER HERE. CHAIR. OYSTER. MR. FARNSWORTH HERE. MR. TITUS HERE. LET'S STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. IS PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES? [C. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES - July 8, 2025 ] IF SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE MEETING MINUTES? CHAIR, I MAKE THE MOTION. WE ACCEPT LAST MONTH'S MEETING MOMENTS. SECOND. MISS WEMLINGER. YES, MR. FARNSWORTH? YES. MR. TITUS? YES. WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE INTO GOING THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS. WE CAN START WITH APPLICATION ONE. AND AS YOUR ITEM IS WE START GOING THROUGH YOUR ITEM WITH THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO REPRESENT THAT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, AND THEN OUR TEAM WILL GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, READING ABOUT EACH ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS. LET'S START WITH APPLICATION ONE. [1. APPLICATION: Beulah Duplex Addition- Lot Split] THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION IS A SPLIT 0.165 ACRES OF A HALF ACRE LOT AT 40 OR 3472 GRANT AVENUE. A TWO STORY BUILDING WAS PROPOSED IN 2003, AND THIS IS A SPLIT FOR THE 0.165 ACRE TRACT. THE PROPOSED LOT SPLIT WILL REESTABLISH THE ORIGINAL LOT DIMENSIONS OF LOT 33 OF THE GRANT BUELL ADDITION PLAT, APPROVED IN 1892. THIS PARCEL IS ZONED R2. WHILE THE PROPOSED LOT DOES NOT MEET THE LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE R-2 ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE LOT SPLIT AS IT MEETS THE ORIGINAL PLATTED LOT DIMENSIONS, AND GIVEN THE CONTEXT AND DATE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT, THERE ARE OTHER PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE ZONED R2 THAT DO NOT MEET THE R2 DISTRICT STANDARDS AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION. THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED THE LOT SPLIT AS SUBMITTED. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON APPLICATION ONE? YES, CHAIR. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. ITEM ONE BEULAH. BEULAH. DUPLEX. ADDITION. LOT SPLIT. SECOND. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE LOT SPLIT AND NOT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. YES. OH, YES. OKAY. SORRY, MR. FARNSWORTH. YES. MR. TITUS? YES. MISS WEMLINGER. YES. ALL RIGHT. APPLICATION TWO. AND DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR APPLICATION TWO? [2. APPLICATION: Beulah Duplex Addition- Rezoning ] BEULAH DUPLEX ADDITION. GREAT. OKAY. THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION IS TO REZONE .165 ACRES AT 3472 GRANT AVENUE. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A TWO STORY BUILDING IN 2023. AND THEN THERE WAS THE LOT SPLIT FOR THE 1.65 ACRES. AND THIS APPLICATION IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM R2 TO D1. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE 1.165 ACRES OF A HALF ACRE TRACT AT 34, 66 AND 3472 GRANT AVENUE FROM SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE R2 TO DOUBLES, TWINS, SINGLES AND DUPLEXES. D1. THE D1 ZONING DISTRICT PERMITS DOUBLES, TWIN SINGLES, AND DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SEVERAL DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDING R2, C2, PDC, AND D1. THE GROVE CITY 2050 LAND USE AND CHARACTER MAP DESIGNATE THE SITE AS A TOWN CENTER CORE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PRIMARY USES IN THE IN THE AREA, [00:05:02] INCLUDING SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. WHILE THE LOT DIMENSIONS PROPOSED WILL NOT MEET THE CURRENT ZONING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE D1 LOT. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF REZONING THE PROPERTY AS IT ALIGNS WITH THE PRIMARY USE OF THE TOWN CENTER CORE NEIGHBORHOOD. FUTURE LAND USE AND THE AREA BEING REZONED MEETS THE LOT DIMENSIONS OF THE ORIGINAL PLAT. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE MULTIPLE LOTS LOCATED NEAR THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING REZONED IN THE HISTORIC BEULAH SUBDIVISION THAT ARE ZONED D1 ON SIMILAR SIZE LOTS. THE APPLICANT IS. THIS APPLICATION IS ONLY EXAMINING THE ZONING AND NO PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE REVIEW ARE BEING REVIEWED WITH THIS APPLICATION. NOTING THE APPLICANT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL APPLICABLE GROVE CITY 2050 GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE REZONING AS SUBMITTED. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? ARE YOU ARE YOU GOING TO. CAN YOU? YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO HI, CHRIS. 5997, STONY BROOK COURT, GROVE CITY. AND THEN THIS IS FOR THREE FOUR SEVEN TWO GRANT AVENUE. WHAT? WHAT IS THE DESIRE? I MEAN, ARE YOU TRYING TO PUT A DUPLEX ON? YEAH. I'M THINKING YEAH, WE DID THE SPLIT THINKING YOU KNOW, GROVE CITY IS JUST DYING FOR FOR PLACES. AND I JUST TALKED TO A FEW PEOPLE, AND THEY SAID, CHRIS WHY DON'T YOU GO AND TRY TO GET IT SET UP FOR A DUPLEX? AND SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR SPACE. I HAVE THE LOT. I WENT THROUGH THE SURVEY PROCESS TO GET IT SPLIT APART. COUNTY SURVEY PRESENTED TO PLANNING. AND THAT'S WHERE I AM JUST THINKING, TRYING TO GET A, GET A NICE, NICE DUPLEX PUT UP THERE. ON A 48 FOOT WIDE LOT. YEAH, YEAH. I'VE GOT PLANS FOR A UNIT THAT WILL FIT THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM, I CAN SHOW THEM TO YOU. THEY'RE VERY PRETTY. THAT COMES LATER. I JUST WONDERING WHAT. WHAT? I'M SORRY THAT THAT COMES LATER. I MEAN. YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, I GET IT. I JUST IT SURPRISED ME TRYING TO PUT A DUPLEX ON A 48 FOOT WIDE LOT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S WELL, THERE'S LOTS OF DUPLEXES AROUND HERE ON 40 FOOT LOTS, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY. SO THERE'S A 4 OR 5 JUST ON GRANT ITSELF. OKAY. JUST WONDERING WHAT THE WHAT THE. YEAH. EVERYTHING WILL FIT. I DO OWN THE HOME NEXT DOOR. AS YOU KNOW IF IF WE NEED A LITTLE EXTRA SPACE, I CAN GO AND LOOK FOR A VARIANCE. BECAUSE I DO OWN IT. DOESN'T AFFECT MY NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. SO I WOULD JUST. IF I NEED TO, TO MOVE ANYTHING, I THINK I'D PROBABLY TUCK A COUPLE FEET OFF MY OWN LOT. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? I'M SORRY. YES. YEP. I'M SORRY. HI. WAYNE MORRIS. I LIVE AT 3484 GRANT AVENUE. SO I'M, LIKE THE LOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPLIT. I DON'T WANT A SPLIT. I KIND OF EXPECTED THAT. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR TEN YEARS. I GREW UP HERE. MY WIFE GREW UP HERE. RAISING OUR SON HERE. IT'S AN AWESOME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE LOVE IT. WE WANTED TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. BUT THE DUPLEX SEEMS TROUBLESOME FOR ME. TO BE HONEST THE HOUSE THAT HE HAD PURCHASED HAS BEEN RUN AS AN AIRBNB SINCE THE BEGINNING. SO THERE'S, LIKE, TRANSIENT SHORT TERM RENTERS, BASICALLY. I WOULD I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THERE WOULD BE A DUPLEX BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO MY RIGHT, NEXT TO MY HOUSE, AND THEN THAT AIRBNB TRAFFIC WOULD BE MULTIPLIED BY THREE. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE RIGHT NOW. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. SO ONE THING THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, I STARTED SEARCHING THIS. AND THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES IN GROVE CITY ABOUT AIRBNBS. THIS IS LIKE BECOMING A RABBIT HOLE. I MEAN, LIKE, IT ERODES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A STRESSOR. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN RAGING PARTIES, YOU KNOW? SO PART OF IT, PART OF LIVING IN TOWN, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE. AS YOU CAN TELL, THIS AIN'T MY THING. BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA SEE SOMETHING. COOL. SEE YOU. THANK YOU. [00:10:03] AFTER THAT DO I HAVE A MOTION ON APPLICATION FOR THE BEULAH DUPLEX ADDITION? REZONING? CHAIR, I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE REZONING. APPLICATION NUMBER TWO. SECOND. MR. TITUS. NO. MISS WEMLINGER. YES. MR. FARNSWORTH? NO. SO, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WILL STILL PROCEED TO CITY COUNCIL. AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE MEETING DATES. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON. ALL RIGHT. APPLICATION THREE ACUTE PET URGENT CARE REZONING. [3. APPLICATION: AcutePet Urgent Care - Rezoning ] HI. MY NAME IS DOCTOR DOUG HOFFMAN. 8875 WALNUT RIDGE, CINCINNATI, OHIO. 45069 WITH ACUTE PET URGENT CARE. THIS APPLICATION IS TO REZONE 0.54 ACRES AT 3612 AND 3614 HOOVER ROAD. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE REZONING FROM PUD TO PS0 IN 1997, AND THIS APPLICATION IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM PS0 TO C2. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REZONE .054 ACRES AT 34 1634 3612 3614 TO REZONE FROM O TO C2. THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY SEVERAL ZONING DISTRICTS, INCLUDING R2, C2, PDR, AND SO THE GROVE CITY 2050 FUTURE LAND USE AND CHARACTER MAP DESIGNATE THE SITE AS SUBURBAN LIVING MEDIUM TO HIGH INTENSITY, WITH PRIMARY USES DESIGNATED AS SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND SECONDARY USES, INCLUDING INSTITUTIONAL AND PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. THE PROPERTY IS BEING REZONED TO ALLOW FOR AN URGENT CARE VETERINARIAN. THE PROPOSED USE IS SIMILAR IN NATURE TO PERMITTED USES ON THE SITE NOW AND THE SOE DISTRICT, WHICH INCLUDES PHYSICIANS, DENTISTS AND CHIROPRACTORS. OFFICE STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF REZONING THE PROPERTY TO C2, NOTING THE SIZE OF THE LOT LAW LIMITS THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN TAKE PLACE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL PREVENT HIGHER INTENSITY USES PERMITTED IN THE C2 DISTRICT FROM BEING ABLE TO LOCATE ON THIS PROPERTY. NOTING THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL GROVE CITY 2050 GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE REZONING AS SUBMITTED. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. JUST THAT YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH THESE LOCATIONS BEING A VETERINARY FACILITY IS DO WE HAVE THINGS LIKE OUTDOOR BOARDING? IS THERE GOING TO BE NOISE ISSUES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEING AN URGENT CARE? THESE PATIENTS ARE IN AND OUT OF OUR FACILITY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF. WE DO NOT DO ANY OVERNIGHT BOARDING. THERE'S NO HOSPITALIZATION AT ALL. WE'RE OPEN 10 TO 10. AND SO PATIENTS ARE IN AND OUT. SO THERE'S REALLY NO NOISE ISSUES. NO ODOR ISSUES. NO YOU KNOW CONCERNS WITH THAT AT ALL. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT ALL THE ANIMALS DO YOU HAVE FOR URGENT CARE. IT'S BASICALLY DOGS AND CATS 99%. OCCASIONAL POCKET PETS. I'D BE WAY MORE IMPRESSED IF IT HAD PARROTS TO MEDVETZ A LONG WAY AWAY. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY? HEARING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPLICATION THREE? THE ACUTE PET URGENT CARE REZONING. CHAIR, I MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPLICATION THREE. WE RECOMMEND TO OUR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE REZONING OF THIS APPLICATION. SECOND. MISS WEMLINGER. YES, MR. FARNSWORTH? YES. MR. TITUS. YES. GOOD TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. APPLICATION FOR GROVE CITY. DRIVE THROUGH. [4. APPLICATION: Grove City Drive Thru- Special Use Permit (Drive Thru) ] SPECIAL USE PERMIT. DRIVE THROUGH. MY NAME IS ZEESHAN ASLAM. 3188 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. [00:15:01] THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A DRIVE THRU CONVENIENCE STORE AT 3188 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. THE SITE IS ZONED C2 RETAIL COMMERCIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE OPERATION OF DRIVE THRU UPON OBTAINING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THE PROPOSED DRIVE THRU WILL OCCUPY HALF OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND MATERIALS INDICATE THE OTHER HALF. 3184 SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD WILL BE USED FOR STORAGE OF PRODUCTS AND TO PROVIDE A SPACE FOR CUSTOMERS TO PURCHASE ITEMS INSIDE THAT DO NOT WANT TO UTILIZE THE DRIVE THRU AND SEE ITEMS NOT DISPLAYED IN THE DRIVE THRU MATERIALS STATE. THE PROPOSED DRIVE THRU WILL OPERATE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK FROM 9 A.M. TO 12 A.M., WITH TWO EMPLOYEES WORKING DURING THE MORNING AND EVENING SHIFTS. THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF VEHICLES EXPECTED AT ONE TIME IS 3 TO 4, WITH WAITING TIMES ANTICIPATED TO BE BETWEEN 30S TO ONE MINUTE. MATERIALS STATE THAT 100 PLUS VEHICLES ARE ANTICIPATED PER DAY. THE SITE PLAN PROVIDED SHOWS VEHICLES WILL ENTER THE SITE AND ACCESS THE ENTRANCE OFF THE DRIVE THROUGH BY TRAVELING AROUND THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AND EXIT THE DRIVE THROUGH TOWARDS SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD. HOWEVER, THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS THAT EXIST ON SITE CURRENTLY DIRECT TRAFFIC IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED AND REPAINTED TO CLEARLY DEFINE SITE CIRCULATION. PLANS SHOW A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE PROPOSED AT A DUMPSTER PROPOSED AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. THERE IS CURRENTLY NO DUMPSTER OR DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE ON SITE, AND THE PROPOSED DUMPSTER WILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OUTLINED IN CODE. WHILE SOME IMPROVEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE TO THE SITE, MATERIALS STATE THE SITE WILL BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE CODE PRIOR TO OPENING, WHICH INCLUDES PARKING LOT, PERIMETER LANDSCAPING, SCREENING OF SERVICE STRUCTURES AND IRRIGATION. THE PROPOSED USE CAN COMPLY WITH ALL SPECIAL USE PERMIT ANALYSIS CRITERIA, AND IS IN LINE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL CENTER FOR THE SITE, AS IDENTIFIED IN THE GROVE CITY 2050 COMMUNITY PLAN AND THEREFORE, AFTER REVIEWING CONSIDERATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE STIPULATIONS NOTED. THANK YOU. ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, SIR. YOU'VE DONE A NICE JOB OF CLEANING THAT SITE UP. THAT THAT THAT WAS LOOKING PRETTY BAD OVER THERE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR. YEAH. OF COURSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I AGREE WITH THAT. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? HEARING NONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPLICATION FOR THE GROVE CITY DRIVE THROUGH SPECIAL USE PERMIT. DRIVE THROUGH. CHAIR, I MAKE THE MOTION. WE RECOMMEND OUR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR APPLICATION FOR WITH THE FOUR STATED STIPULATIONS. SECOND. MR. FARNSWORTH. YES, MR.. TITUS. YES. MISS. WEMLINGER. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU GUYS. APPLICATION FIVE THE PATRICK PROPERTY PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. [5. APPLICATION: Patrick Property - Preliminary Development Plan ] DO YOU HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE? YEAH. HI, I'M HILARY LEVINE, 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD GRAND, ERLANGER, KENTUCKY, 41018. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 93 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 56 PAIRED PATIO HOMES ON 39.4 ACRES SOUTH OF GROVE CITY ROAD AND WEST OF AMHERST ROAD. THE SITE IS COMPRISED OF MULTIPLE PARCELS, ALL OF WHICH ARE CURRENTLY IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP, AND WILL NEED TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND IS INTENDED TO ASSESS IF THE PROPOSED USE OF A SITE AND BASIC LAYOUT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. THE DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSED TO OFFER TWO TYPES OF HOUSING SINGLE FAMILY AND ATTACHED PAIRED PATIO HOMES, AND 100 AND A TOTAL OF 149 HOMES ARE PROPOSED ON SITE. THE SITE DENSITY IS 3.75 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN OTHER EXISTING AREA DEVELOPMENTS INCLUDING ELGIN, FIELD BROOK AND AUTUMN GROVE, ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS A HIGHER INTENSITY LAND USE ON THE GROVE CITY 2050 COMMUNITY PLAN. FUTURE LAND USE AND CHARACTER MAP. EACH HOME WILL BE ON ITS OWN LOT, AND PROPOSED LOT WIDTHS ARE 52FT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND 34FT FOR THE PAIRED PATIO HOMES. WHILE OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN GROVE CITY HAVE INCLUDED 52 FOOT WIDE LOTS SUCH AS PINNACLE QUARRY FARMSTEAD AND BEULAH PARK, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE PREVIOUSLY NOTED SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA ALL CONTAIN 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS, AND THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE INCLUDED THESE NARROWER LOTS ALSO TYPICALLY INCLUDE WIDER LOTS FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING STYLES. WHILE STAFF BELIEVE THE PROPOSED 52 FOOT WIDE LOTS COULD BE APPROPRIATE, THE INTRODUCTION OF 70 FOOT WIDE LOTS INTO DEVELOPMENT WOULD HELP DECREASE THE SITE DENSITY AND MORE CLOSELY MATCH THE CHARACTER OF OTHER AREA. DEVELOPMENT MATERIALS STATE THAT ALL ROADWAYS WILL BE PUBLIC AND MEASURE 28FT IN WIDTH. CODE STATES THAT THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF ALL BLOCKS SHOULD NOT EXCEED 800FT, EXCEPT FOR ROADWAY. THIS REQUIREMENT IS MET DURING REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION. STAFF RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES BE INTRODUCED TO ROADWAY TO BREAK UP THE BLOCK LENGTH, WHILE PROVIDING BETTER CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO OPEN SPACES ON SITE. [00:20:08] MATERIALS STATE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM BLOCK LENGTH IN THE FUTURE ZONING TEXT TO 900FT FOR THE SITE, AND PROPOSED A STRIPED CROSSWALK IN LIEU OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. STAFF DO NOT SUPPORT A DEVIATION FROM THIS REQUIREMENT, AS IT IS THE GOAL OF THE CITY TO IMPROVE ROAD SAFETY WITHIN THE CITY FOR ALL USERS AND STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE INCREASING THE STANDARDS FOR BLOCK LENGTH HELP ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. PLANS SHOW SIDEWALKS. SIDEWALKS WILL BE LOCATED ON BOTH SIDES OF ALL ROADWAYS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. BASED ON THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS. REQUIRED. REQUIREMENTS OF CODE A TOTAL OF 7.21 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ARE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED, AND PLAN SHEETS INDICATE THAT 8.97 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE ARE PROVIDED. PLANS SHOW FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ARE PROPOSED THROUGH THE LARGER OPEN SPACE AREAS, WHICH LOOP BACK TO THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS ON SITE. STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDED THE APPLICANT DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A TRAIL EASEMENT WITH THE CEMETERY ASSOCIATION TO THE EAST, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR A TRAIL TO CONNECT THROUGH TO THE TANGLEWOOD SUBDIVISION. AND WHILE THE REQUIRED ACREAGE OF OPEN SPACE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS PROPOSED IS MET, STAFF HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE, AS THE PRIMARY OPEN SPACE APPEARS AS MORE EXTENSIONS OF BACKYARDS, AND ARE NOT EASILY VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY OR ACTIVATED AS OPEN SPACE. IN OTHER RECENT DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, STAFF HAVE SUPPORTED NARROW LOT WIDTH AND INCREASED DENSITY IN EXCHANGE FOR OPEN SPACE THAT ACTS AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT, SUCH AS IN PINNACLE QUARRY AND TRAIL VIEW RUN DEVELOPMENTS. HOWEVER, STAFF DO NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED OPEN SPACE IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION PROVIDE ADEQUATE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO OFFSET THE INCREASED DENSITY COMPARED TO OTHER AREA DEVELOPMENTS. WHILE MOST OF THE PUD ANALYSIS CRITERIA COULD BE MET, STAFF DID NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES THE REGIONAL BENEFITS OR INCREASED REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND AMENITIES THAT TYPICALLY WARRANT EXCEPTIONS FROM THE ZONING CODE. ADDITIONALLY, WHILE STAFF BELIEVE RESIDENTIAL IS APPROPRIATE IN THE AREA, THE PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE IDENTIFIED FOR THE SITE, WHICH IS EDGE LIVING. AS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT EXHIBITS A HIGHER DENSITY THAN OTHER AREA DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH ARE DESIGNATED AS A HIGHER INTENSITY LAND USE THAN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AND THEREFORE, AFTER VIEWING CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED. ANY COMMENTS? I DO. I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES, AND I'M NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE ABILITY TO FLIP THROUGH THESE OR IF ARE IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ON YOUR END. OKAY. I DO ACTUALLY JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS A COMPANY. GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE PLAN AND WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE SITE, AND THEN JUST GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. IT'S PERFECT. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FISHER HOMES. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG YOU ALL HAVE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION. I APOLOGIZE, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE NOT HERE WHEN WE VOTED ON FARMSTEAD, WE DO HAVE AN ACTIVE COMMUNITY. JUST DOWN THE STREET IN GROVE CITY. WE AS A COMPANY, WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1980. WE WERE FOUNDED BY HENRY AND ELAINE FISHER, AND THE FISHERS ARE STILL VERY ACTIVE IN THE COMPANY TODAY. WE'RE PRIVATELY OWNED, AND OUR HEADQUARTERS IS OUT OF ERLANGER, KENTUCKY. WE'VE BEEN IN THE COLUMBUS MARKET SINCE 2008. SO WE'VE BEEN IN COLUMBUS FOR A WHILE NOW, AND WE SPAN EVERYWHERE FROM MARYSVILLE OVER TO. WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME THINGS IN NEWARK AND AS FAR DOWN LOW AS SOUTH BLOOMFIELD. SO WE'RE WIDE CAST IN THE COLUMBUS MARKET HERE. AND AGAIN, ONE OF OUR PROUDEST PROJECTS IS ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE IN GROVE CITY, WHICH IS FARMSTEAD. SO WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH BEING IN THE AREA. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE SITE CONTEXT OF WHERE WE ARE HERE. THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE CALLING PATRICK'S HOLLOW, IT IS JUST A MILE FROM WHERE WE ARE IN THIS BUILDING TODAY TO THE ENTRANCE OF OUR SITE. IT'S A VERY QUICK WALK OR EVEN A THREE MINUTE DRIVE. WE HAVE NEARBY HIGHWAY ACCESS, OBVIOUSLY, TO 71 IS VERY CLOSE. IT MAKES IT VERY APPEALING. IT'S CLOSE TO SCHOOLS AND PARKS, WHICH IS A GREAT SITE FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AS NOTED BY MR. LOGAN, IT'S JUST UNDER A 40 ACRE SITE. IT'S ABOUT 39.4 ACRES. THERE IS AN EXISTING POND AND WETLAND ON THE SITE, WHICH OUR INTENTION IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE. THERE IS A SMALL WOODLAND OR A SMALL TREE LINE AGAINST THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, OUR INTENTION IS TO PRESERVE AS WELL AS A SMALL STREAM THAT RUNS ALONG THAT FRONTAGE AND WE WILL BE CROSSING THAT. BUT AGAIN, INTENTION IS TO PRESERVE THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS AN ASSEMBLAGE OF EIGHT DIFFERENT PARCELS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE AS WE TALK LATER ON ABOUT EDGE LIVING, THIS IS GOING TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS IN THE GROVE CITY [00:25:06] 2050 LAND USE PLAN. BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THAT FRONT GROVE CITY ROAD WERE THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMESTEADS THAT WERE DESIGNATED AS EDGE LIVING. WHEREAS YOU CAN SEE NOW WE'VE ACCUMULATED THESE PARCELS, FORMED IT INTO SOMETHING MORE THAT MAYBE WAS NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO AGAIN, JUST AS AS A, AS A NOTE THIS IS IN THE JACKSON TOWNSHIP, AND OUR PLAN IS TO ANNEX THIS INTO GROVE CITY POST PDP APPROVAL AND PRIOR TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND AGAIN, THIS WE'RE HOPING TO GET THIS APPROVED AS A PUD DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT WE WILL BE INCORPORATING INTO THE SITE. SO THE SITE ITSELF, THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL BE OFF GROVE CITY ROAD. AS YOU COME INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE PRESERVING A 50 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THAT'S OUTSIDE THE RIGHT OF WAY. BE PRESERVING THAT SPACE FOR MOUNTING LANDSCAPING WITH BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES. THAT EXISTING TREE LINE WILL ALSO HELP SHIELD THE COMMUNITY FROM GROVE CITY ROAD. AS YOU COME IN, WE PLAN ON THEMING THOSE FIRST 10 TO 20 HOME SITES TO REALLY GIVE THE FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY TO ESTABLISH THAT AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH. AS YOU COME THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE SOME POCKETS OF OPEN SPACE WITH THE WITH THE SIDEWALKS AND THE PATH SYSTEM AS YOU COME THROUGH THOSE, THOSE FIRST FEW HOME SITES THERE OUR MAPLE STREET WILL BE THE FIRST PRODUCT THAT YOU COME INTO. THAT'S ONE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY BUILDING OVER AT FARMSTEAD WHEN YOU GET TO THE FIRST FOUR WAY INTERSECTION, IS THE FIRST GLIMPSE THAT YOU'LL SEE OF THE PAIRED PATIO SITES. ALL THE CORNER LOTS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED WITH HIGH LANDSCAPE, HIGH LANDS, HIGH IMPACT LANDSCAPING, MEANING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDES OF THOSE HOMES TO HELP DOWNPLAY THE SIZE OF THOSE VISUALLY AND ESTHETICALLY, AS WELL AS SOME HIGH IMPACT ARCHITECTURE THAT MIGHT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE MASONRY WRAPS OR ENHANCED TRIM AROUND THE WINDOWS, THE OPEN SPACE THAT YOU SEE HERE. WE WILL BE INCLUDING A PICNIC SHELTER, A TOT LOT OR PLAYGROUND, AND THEN MULTIPLE WALKING WALKING TRAILS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AS MENTIONED BY MR. LOGAN, THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE IS 7.21 ACRES. I DO HAVE AN ERROR IN THIS SLIDE HERE, BUT IT IS 7.21 ACRES. WE ARE PROVIDING A NET ACREAGE OPEN SPACE OF 8.978.97 ACRES, MEANING THE ACREAGE THAT WOULD COUNT TOWARDS THAT OPEN SPACE. SO WE ARE PROVIDING MORE OPEN SPACE THAN WHAT IS NEEDED. AND THEN TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER. THE GROSS ACREAGE OF THE OPEN SPACE IS ACTUALLY 9.52 ACRES. SO WE ARE ROUGHLY BETWEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 22% MORE THAN WHAT IS NEEDED IN TERMS OF ACTUAL REQUIRED OPEN SPACE. SO AS MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE PLANNING FOR A TOTAL OF 149 HOME SITES. 93 OF THOSE WILL BE OUR MAPLE STREET AT 52FT WIDE. AND THEN 56 OF THOSE WILL BE OUR PAIRED PATIO PRODUCT. AT 34FT WIDE. BUT THOSE ARE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED LOTS. SO THEY ARE FEE SIMPLE, LOTS THAT SOMEBODY WILL OWN. IT WILL STILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT PEOPLE TAKE A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP WHEN THEY OWN THEIR OWN LOT. SO THAT LOT IN TOTAL THEN THAT THE BUILDING WILL SIT ON WILL BE 68FT WIDE. THANK YOU. HERE'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE INCLUDE IN INCORPORATING INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE LOCATIONS. AND THEN AGAIN, AS YOU ALL MAY HAVE SEEN FROM FARMSTEAD, ONE OF OUR CONCENTRATIONS AT FISHER HOMES IS TO REALLY PICK A THEME FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND REALLY TRY TO ESTABLISH THAT THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. SO FOR THIS COMMUNITY, IT'S KIND OF THIS RURAL, RUSTIC KIND OF PERSONA WITH, WITH WOODED ELEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE ARCHITECTURE. AND THEN UP ON THE SCREEN HERE YOU WILL SEE AN EXAMPLE OF OUR MAPLE STREET COLLECTION. AND THESE RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 1400 TO 3000FT². THE 1400 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR RANCH PLANS WOULD OFFER. AND USUALLY THE FLOOR PLANS ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 24 TO 2500FT². AND THEN AGAIN, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2 TO 6 BEDROOMS. BUT WE USUALLY SEE BUYERS PURCHASING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3 AND 5 BEDROOMS. HERE'S A RENDERING OF THE SCREEN OF A STREET SCAPE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. [00:30:03] AND AGAIN SOME ELEVATIONS. AND THEN OUR PAIRED PATIO COLLECTION. BECAUSE THAT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS WE HAVE. WE HAVE A RANCH THAT YOU CAN DO WITH A LOT WITH AN OPTIONAL LOFT. AND THEN WE HAVE A TWO STORY OPTION. SO UP ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE TWO STORY OPTION WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THAT PRODUCT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS JUST OVER 2000FT², WHEREAS THE RANCH WITH A LOFT WOULD BE THE RANCH ALONE WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 16. PLUS, YOU COULD ADD THE LOFT FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND THIS PRODUCT REALLY? YOU'RE FINE. WHEREAS THE THE MAPLE STREET COLLECTION IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS FAMILIES, PEOPLE WITH CHILDREN, THIS PRODUCT IS REALLY, WE SEE KIND OF LIKE THE EMPTY NESTER OR MAYBE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. WE DO SEE A MIX, BUT IT'S NOT TYPICALLY THAT SAME FAMILY AND BUYER THAT WE WOULD SEE FOR THE FOR THE MAPLE STREET COLLECTION. SO JUST A COUPLE CONSIDERATIONS. AND I DID MENTION THIS BEFORE, BUT I BELIEVE WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WAS BUILT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION FOR THESE PARCELS TO BE ASSEMBLED TOGETHER TO CREATE SOMETHING BIGGER. AND OUR LAND ACQUISITION TEAM HAS WORKED VERY HARD WITH THIS. WITH THE SELLERS, THE SELLERS HAVE ALL PUT IN A LOT OF WORK THEMSELVES TO TO GET THESE PARCELS TOGETHER IN THIS CONFIGURATION. SO THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, IS JUST BECAUSE THIS IS DESIGNATED AS EDGE LIVING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR SOMETHING BIGGER HERE. AND MAYBE I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT THAT'S A MISTAKE. THAT'S EDGE LIVING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT MAYBE SOMEBODY DIDN'T IMAGINE WHAT THIS COULD BE WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THESE OTHER PARCELS, SOME OF THESE OTHER LARGER PARCELS THAT FRONT GROVE CITY ROAD OR RANCH ROAD THAT THEY HAVE, THOSE LARGER DESIGNATIONS, THOSE MORE INTENSE DESIGNATIONS. THE SECOND POINT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE HERE AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGER ONE, IS THAT STAFF HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE COMMUNITIES WITHIN GROVE CITY THAT ARE CLOSE TO HERE THAT HAVE COMMUNITIES OR DENSITIES THAT ARE OVER THREE UNITS PER ACRE JUST LIKE THIS ONE. BUT THIS ONE IS A HIGHER DENSITY, AND THERE'S NO ARGUING THAT. THAT'S MATH. IT IS A HIGHER DENSITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE INCLUDING THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT WE NEED TO WE WILL MAKE THE TRAFFIC ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE WARRANTED THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS SITE. WE'RE BRINGING SANITARY SEWER FROM THE COMMUNITY NEXT DOOR. WE'RE WORKING ON AN EASEMENT WITH THE CEMETERY AS WE SPEAK, BRINGING THAT UP AND REALLY EXPANDING THOSE CAPABILITIES FOR GROVE CITY. WE'RE WORKING ON A TRAIL SYSTEM, HOPEFULLY WITH WITH THE CEMETERY TO GET SOMETHING THROUGH, THROUGH THE REAR OF THEIR PROPERTY TO EXPAND THE THE PEDESTRIAN NETWORK TO THIS LOCATION. AND ALTHOUGH THE DENSITY IN THIS AREA IS, IS SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN WHAT OURS IS, I THINK THAT THIS SITE CAN REALLY BE A GOOD TRANSITION FOR ALSO WHAT IS PLANNED TO THE WEST OF HERE. SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE ON THE COMP PLAN THERE'S THIS FLEX EMPLOYMENT CENTER, THERE'S LOW INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE OFFICE USES, COMMERCIAL USES, INDUSTRIAL USES. SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING BEING TOO DENSE TO, YOU KNOW, HEAVILY POPULATED, THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE SITE, I THINK, TO DO THIS IN. IF NOT HERE, WHERE IN GROVE CITY, RIGHT. I MEAN, WE'RE A MILE OR A MILE FROM THE SITE RIGHT HERE IN YOUR, IN YOUR CENTRAL BUSINESS CORRIDOR. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SITE WITH A HIGHER DENSITY, I THINK THAT THIS IS THE LOCATION TO REALLY DO THAT. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS OR IF YOU'RE. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? I GUESS I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS HERE. IT SEEMS A LOT IN A SMALL AREA. HOW DO YOU FOLKS FEEL ABOUT THIS? YEAH, DEFINITELY. THE DENSITY IS A CONCERN FOR US. OBVIOUSLY, THE CLOSER THE HOUSES ARE, THE MORE LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXPOSURE RISK. SO IF WE HAVE ONE HOUSE ON FIRE, VERY LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO. AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ACCESS HERE. IS THIS A SINGLE ACCESS IN OR DO YOU HAVE. THERE'S ACTUALLY IS THIS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS? THIS IS EMERGENCY ACCESS. OKAY. AWESOME. THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR QUESTION, TOO. SO THE DENSITY IS A CONCERN FOR US. HAVING SECONDARY ACCESS IS IMPORTANT. SO WE JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THAT WE DO HAVE THAT AND APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT IN. AND WE DO SHARE YOUR CONCERN WITH THE DENSITY OF THAT THAT WILL BE MAKE THINGS CHALLENGING FOR US. [00:35:01] THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I MEAN, I, FISHER, I DO THINK IS A VERY REPUTABLE BUILDER. FARMSTEADS BEAUTIFUL. AND I DO THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING MORE HOUSING. I FEEL LIKE THAT PART OF THE CITY CAN HANDLE IT MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, THE BUCKEYE PARKWAY, ALL OF THAT WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. SO I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING A PRODUCT LIKE THAT THERE. YOU KNOW, I CAN YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN DOING THE RESEARCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAYBE YOU GUYS CAN, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, A WIN WIN. BECAUSE I DO THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD, YOU KNOW GOOD FOR THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE I THINK IT MAY BRING YOU KNOW LIKE MORE, YOU KNOW, GROCERY STORE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I DO THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE AS A CITY. SO THAT'S JUST COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE ON THE DENSITY. WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO GO DOWN TO ON THE DENSITY TO BE ACCEPTABLE? THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC NUMBER, OBVIOUSLY, SINCE IT'S A LOWER INTENSITY LAND USE THAN THESE OTHER ONES THAT HAVE A LOWER DENSITY. IDEALLY IT WOULD BE CLOSER IN RANGE TO THAT. AND ALSO THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT, LIKE I SAID IN THE PRESENTATION, WE'VE ALLOWED FOR HIGHER DENSITY IF IT'S OFFSET APPROPRIATELY. AND IN THIS CASE WE DON'T BELIEVE IT IS THE OFFSET JUST QUITE YET. SO IN TERMS OF SPECIFIC NUMBER, THERE ISN'T ONE WE CAN POINT TO AND SAY THAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER. BUT IT'S A COMBINATION OF THINGS OPEN SPACE LOT WIDTHS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT INFLUENCE IT. THAT COULD BE ADJUSTED TO KIND OF BETTER INTEGRATE WITH THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS. THANK YOU. CAN WE GET THERE? STAFF THINKS WE CAN. I MEAN WE'VE FELT THAT RESIDENTIAL IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA, BUT THIS PROJECT JUST ISN'T QUITE QUITE THERE YET IN OUR EYES, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DEVELOPED THERE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S INFORMING OUR RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU. SO IT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE KIND OF LIKE POSTPONING CONTINUING THE CONVERSATIONS. IS THAT KIND OF WHAT THIS IS? YEAH. STAFF WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH FISHER HOMES. I MEAN, WE AGREE THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE DONE A GOOD PRODUCT ELSEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE JUST AS DASH SAID, WE'RE JUST WE JUST FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT ISN'T QUITE THERE YET. I LIKE. THAT. MAY I GET BACK UP? YES. SORRY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT AS WELL. WE WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF. WE CAME TO STAFF VERY EARLY WITH THIS PROJECT. OR MAYBE IT FELT VERY EARLY WITH THIS PROJECT. AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A COUPLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS, AND I FELT LIKE KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME, WE WERE IN DISCUSSION AS WE RECEIVED SOME STAFF REPORTS YOU KNOW, A WEEK PRIOR OR EVEN A FEW DAYS PRIOR TO TO THIS MEETING. TODAY, THERE WERE SOME EVEN CONVERSATIONS AT THAT POINT ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE, AND HONESTLY, THERE JUST WASN'T A REALLY ENOUGH TIME TO KIND OF VET THROUGH ALL OF THAT. SO WITH THAT SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE OUR APPLICATION TO CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AND THAT THAT WITH STAFF, BUT I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY WHILE I WHILE I HAVE YOUR ALL'S EARS. IF THERE'S IF THERE'S ANY SUGGESTIONS FROM YOU ALL ON OTHER MODIFICATIONS OR THINGS AS WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO. WE JUST WANT A SAFE COMMUNITY. I MEAN, AND THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING A LITTLE TOO MUCH IN THERE. SO I GUESS IS I MEAN, YOU CAN WORK WITH OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE CAN WORK WITH THE STAFF AND STUFF AND KIND OF I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GREAT START TO SOMETHING, BUT BUT, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT TOO MANY UNITS IN THAT, THAT SPACE, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO I AGREE. I AGREE TOO. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IF WE'RE TABLING THIS, DO WE. IF I MAY INSTEAD OF TABLING IT. BECAUSE THAT GETS WEIRD WITH IF YOU TABLE IT AND YOU NEVER BRING IT OFF THE TABLE, IT KIND OF DIES. IT'S IT'S STUPID. I WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONING TO A SPECIFIC DATE. SO EITHER NEXT MONTH'S MEETING OR THE MONTH AFTER THAT. THAT WAY IT'S STILL THERE AND THEY CAN COME BACK WITH A REVISED PLAN OR WHATEVER THEY WORK OUT WITH STAFF IS. I MEAN, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF A MONTH IS ENOUGH TIME TO. YEAH. AND IF IF WE DO A MONTH AND THAT ISN'T ENOUGH TIME, WE CAN ALWAYS DO IT AGAIN. I'M LOOKING AT MY ENGINEER LIKE, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME? I THINK SO. YEAH. YEAH. SO YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND POSTPONING IT UNTIL NEXT MONTH'S MEETING. [00:40:02] AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN KIND OF EVALUATE WHETHER THEY NEED MORE TIME OR NOT. OKAY. THAT'D BE. GREAT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE. YOUR TIME. YES. CAN I SPEAK REAL QUICK? YES YOU CAN. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. CHAD MARPLE, 3688 LARCHMERE DRIVE. AS SOMEBODY THAT LIVES ALMOST ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TAXATION ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PATIO LEVEL HOMES THAT MAY REQUIRE THE AMBULANCE AND FIRE TRUCK TO BE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MORE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT OVERCROWDING OF THE SCHOOLS WITHIN THAT AREA. AND I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK TO GET DOWN TO GROVE CITY, THAT'S GREAT. IT STILL DOESN'T HELP WITH, LIKE, MY PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S GOT A LOT OF PRAIRIE TOWNSHIP STUFF UP TO DEMAREST. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MAY NOT GET A GROCERY STORE OR SOMETHING BUILT CLOSE TO IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A KROGER DOWN AT THE END OF HOLT AND GEORGEVILLE. SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET WHAT THE CITY WANTS BY PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THERE. SO DENSE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CHARLOTTE CAME OUT LATER. I'M CHRISTINA MURDOCK. I'M AT 4577 GROVE CITY ROAD. SO THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. WE MOVED IN IN 2019. WE ALWAYS ASSUMED THE LAND WOULD GET DEVELOPED. WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY AGAINST IT, BUT OUR MAIN CONCERN REALLY IS WITH OUR ADJACENT LAND BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. WE LOSE A LOT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IN TERMS OF FENCING. AND I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DUPLEXES TOWARDS THE BACK, THEIR BACKYARDS ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTLY GOING INTO OUR FIELD WHERE WE'VE INCORPORATED TRAIL SYSTEMS THROUGH OUR WOODS. AND WE'RE JUST CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A DEFINITIVE LINE SAYING, YOUR BACKYARD STOPS HERE AND OUR LAND STARTS HERE. SO IF IT PROCEEDS, WE JUST ASK THAT THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. WE DON'T REALLY INTEND ON LEAVING. I KNOW THAT THEY APPROACHED US TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'RE LIKE, WE CAN'T REPLACE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THAT. SO WE JUST ASK THAT. THAT'S CONSIDERED WE KNOW GROVE CITY DOESN'T LOVE PUTTING FENCES UP AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE BROUGHT IT UP IN THEIR MEETING A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT THE MORE WE LOOKED INTO IT, THE DIFFERENCE AND THE CODE THAT HAPPENS ONCE WE'RE ADJACENT TO CITY INSTEAD OF TOWNSHIP WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT TO US REPLACING THAT FENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ONE MORE COMMENT TO MAKE THAT I FORGOT WHAT WAS UP THERE. YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? SORRY. ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN HOA WITH NO ACTUAL AMENITIES WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. REALLY? THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE PLAYGROUND. GREAT. IF YOU GO OVER BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT A LITTLE BIT. HEY, THERE'S A GREAT PLAYGROUND THERE. SO I DON'T SEE IT AS A GOOD THING TO HAVE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE'S NO AMENITIES, KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE POOLS IN THE CONCORD LAKES AREA AND SOME OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE NOTHING HERE. SO IF WE EVER DO GET A COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S GOING TO PUT MORE OF A TAX ON THAT COMMUNITY CENTER FROM THIS AREA OF THE OR OF GROVE CITY. SO. I THINK ALL GREAT COMMENTS FROM FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THIS WILL GIVE SOME GOOD INFORMATION FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT MEETING. SO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, YOU SET THIS UP FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING? SECOND. MR. TITUS? YES. MISS WEMLINGER? YES. MR. FARNSWORTH? YES. THANK YOU. APPLICATION SIX THE CHURCH OF NAZARENE. [6. APPLICATION: Church of the Nazarene - Final Development Plan ] THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. DAVID MCKNIGHT, 3351 MCDOWELL ROAD. THANK YOU. THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR AN ADDITION TO THE GROVE CITY CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE NAZARENE CHURCH OF THE NAZARENE PHASE 1 IN 2023, AND THIS IS AN ADDITION FOR. THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE SCHOOL EDITION. [00:45:06] THE PROPOSED EDITION IS 21,853FT², AND IS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING SCHOOL AND WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE, A NEW MEDIA CENTER, AND ADDITIONAL CAFETERIA SPACE. AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE SITE WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BY EIGHT TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITION. THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT WHILE THE ADDITION WILL RESULT IN AN OVERALL LOSS OF PARKING SPACES, THE SITE HAS AN ADEQUATE NUMBER OF SPACES THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REDUCTION OF PARKING SPACES, NOTING THE LARGE NUMBER OF EXISTING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SITE. THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL MEASURE 28FT AT THE HIGHEST POINT AND WILL BE FINISHED IN VARIOUS MATERIALS, INCLUDING BRONZE COLORED METAL PANELING, MEDIUM BRONZE BRICK, AND FLOOR TO CEILING GLASS WINDOWS. A LANDSCAPE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED SHOWING THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE REQUIRED REQUIREMENTS. THE BUILDING WILL BE LANDSCAPED WITH VARIOUS PERENNIAL SHRUBS AND ORNAMENTAL GRASSES, AND THE TREES REQUIRED FOR THE PERIMETER PLANTING WILL BE LOCATED AROUND THE DRIVE AISLE AND AROUND THE REAR OF THE BUILDING NEAR THE SPORTS FIELD. DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE ADDITION AND THE LIMITED SPACE AROUND THE BUILDING PERIMETER. NOTING THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL GROVE CITY 2050 GUIDING PRINCIPLES, AND AFTER REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. ANYTHING TO ADD? JUST THAT THIS BUILDING IS MUCH NEEDED AS IT WILL ALLOW THE AMOUNT OF CLASSROOMS FOR FOUR SESSIONS FOR EACH GRADE IN OUR SCHOOL, WHICH WE'VE STARTED. THAT ROUTE PROVIDES A TEACHER'S LOUNGE, WHICH IS MUCH NEEDED FOR THE TEACHERS. INCREASES THE SIZE OF THE MEDIA CENTER FOR ALL GRADES, WHICH IS THE NEW LIBRARY FOR THE NOT ONLY THE LOWER SCHOOL, BUT THE UPPER SCHOOL, A LARGER CAFETERIA WHICH IS ALREADY A STRESSOR POINT, AND A BRAND NEW KITCHEN. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION? I THINK IT'S EXCITING. IT IS. GREAT. TO BE ABLE TO GROW. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? WITH THAT? DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPLICATION SIX THE CHURCH OF NAZARENE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. CHAIR, I MAKE THE MOTION. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO OUR CITY COUNCIL ON APPLICATION SIX. SECOND. MISS WEMLINGER. YES, MR. FARNSWORTH? YES. MR.. TITUS? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER OR ANY NEW BUSINESS? WITH THAT ALL, MEETING'S ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.