Oct 20, 2025 City Council

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MAKE A CALL. OKAY. GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. MAY I HAVE MISS KELLY CALL THE ROLL FOR US HERE. ANDERSON. HERE. WILSON HERE. HOUCK. HERE. HOLT. HERE. HERE. DO. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE IN THE SECTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE TWO SUBJECTS FOR 30 MINUTES. NOW, LESS THAN 30 MINUTES ON THE FIRST ONE, AS WE HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF KEEP THAT PACE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THESE TWO SUBJECTS THIS EVENING. MOSTLY JUST TO TOUCH BASE. EXCUSE MR. DO. OH, YES.

MAY I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXCUSE MR. DEW FROM THE MEETING THIS EVENING. IS THERE A SECOND? FOR US? YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES, YES, YES, VERY. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO

[Review of proposed Charter Changes]

SO SOME OF THE TOPICS AND STICKING, STICKING POINTS, COULD WE ADDRESS THEM BY ORDINANCE? FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO I INITIALLY, WHEN WE STARTED OUR MEETINGS IN JUNE, ASKED MR. SMITH TO TAKE A LOOK AT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND WHERE WE COULD ADDRESS BY ORDINANCE AND APPROVAL PROCESS FOR COUNCIL. WHEN I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM MR. SMITH, I TOOK A CRACK AT WRITING TWO ORDINANCES, AND I SUBMITTED THOSE IN THE MONTH OF AUGUST. I'M SENDING THEM IN BOTH DIRECTIONS SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THEM IN THEIR HANDS. ONE OF THEM WAS CHANGES TO 133 AND WHICH IS ENTITLED ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, AND ONE OF THEM WAS A CHANGE TO CHAPTER 130 905C1, WHICH RELATES TO CONTRACTS FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THE IMPORTANCE OF MY RUNNING THIS ALL PAST YOU IS THAT THESE ORDINANCES WILL NOT SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY. AND AND I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE REASON WHY. I KNOW I'VE TALKED WITH YOU ALL AS WE BEGAN THIS SUBJECT IN JUNE ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS CHARTER DISCUSSION, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE VOTERS THINK ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. SO WE SHOULD SIMULTANEOUSLY ADDRESS SOME OF THESE STICKING POINTS AND BE PUSHING OURSELVES TOWARD HOW WE CAN. WE WORK MORE COLLABORATIVELY. SO THESE TWO PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT I WROTE IN DRAFT FORM REALLY JUST INCLUDED AN APPROVAL PROCESS, A WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. MR. SMITH TOLD ME IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT WE COULD NOT DO THIS. SO COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO PASS ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE CONTRARY TO THE CHARTER. THIS SEVERELY LIMITS WHAT CAN BE DONE ABSENT A CHARTER CHANGE, WAS HIS QUOTE ON THIS. EACH OF THE SECTIONS THAT I WROTE IN, WITH THE APPROVAL OF A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL HE CITED. THIS IS CONTRARY TO THE CHARTER. I AGAIN, NONE OF THIS WAS ENTIRELY SURPRISING TO ME, BUT BECAUSE AS WE WERE DEBATING THIS SUBJECT, WE KEPT GOING BACK TO IS THERE ANY WAY TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS BY ORDINANCE? SO I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S TRY TO ADDRESS THEM BY ORDINANCE. SO THESE TWO DRAFTS AGAIN, WERE SORT OF MY SKIPPING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WHICH WAS IN THE HANDS OF MR. SMITH AND AND ADDRESSING WHAT I THINK ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER BIG SUBJECTS WHERE COUNCIL HAS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN HAVING A VOICE. MAYOR STAGE, IN HIS RESPONSE, SAID HIS INTENT IN CONSIDERING HAVING COUNCIL INVOLVED IN THE APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS WAS ONLY ENTERTAINED IF COUNCIL WOULD NOT PROCEED WITH A NEW CHARTER AND AS OF TODAY, HE BELIEVES THAT COUNCIL IS PROCEEDING WITH THIS DRAFT OF THE CHARTER AND THEREFORE THESE ORDINANCES

[00:05:03]

THAT WE TRIED WE TRIED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. RIGHT. DEFINITELY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO I DO APPRECIATE THE DUE DILIGENCE TO HAVE AT LEAST TRIED THIS, BECAUSE I THINK ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT INTRODUCING ORDINANCES THAT COULD HELP COUNCIL HAVE THAT VOICE. EVEN WITH THE CURRENT CHARTER THAT WE HAVE.

SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS AT LEAST LOOKED INTO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT THEN I WANTED TO MOVE ON THIS EVENING I, I FLAGGED FOUR THINGS THAT I THINK ARE LEUCINE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTION TO. AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE HAVE HAD TIME TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH. I KNOW WE MENTIONED SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES CHARTERS WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH OUR LAST EXERCISE. I WANT TO THE CONVERSATION OF TERM LIMITS, AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING MR. SMITH A FINAL ANSWER ON DO WE WANT TO, IN A DRAFT, SEE A PROVISION RELATED TO TERM LIMITS? THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT BACK UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THERE REALLY WASN'T A CONSENSUS ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. SO UNLESS WE REVISIT THAT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT IN THERE. OKAY. SO YES, PRESIDENT, I'LL SAY THAT I HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN IN SUPPORT OF TERM LIMITS. BUT YES, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS MUCH MORE CONSENSUS. SO I WILL AT LEAST BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT I'M STILL IN SUPPORT OF TERM LIMITS. IF THERE ARE OTHERS WHO WANT TO ALSO KIND OF LOOK INTO THAT FOR THIS PART OF THE DRAFT. OKAY. SO I WILL SAY THAT KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS DRAFT WILL LIKELY INFORM THE DECISION OF A FUTURE SEATED COUNCIL BODY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE MR. SMITH KEEP A REFERENCE IN THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON TO THIS TERM, LIMIT DISCUSSION SO THAT AT THAT TIME THEY CAN MAKE OBVIOUSLY THE MAJORITY DECISION BE THE THE THE RULE OF THE DAY WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD. NEXT ITEM WAS THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO APPOINTING AND TERMINATING THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CITY MANAGER.

AND WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CHATTER AS TO OUR GUT INSTINCT ON WHETHER THAT WAS SIMPLY A MAJORITY VOTE OR A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALSO GOT TO A SENSE OF OF WHERE WE WANTED TO BE THERE. MY GOODNESS, I LEFT ALL OF MINE BACK THERE. I THOUGHT YOU HAD MADE THAT DECISION, AND I CLEANED THAT UP IN THIS LATEST VERSION. OKAY.

SO WE'RE WE ARE CONFIRMED AND LANDED. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO. OH YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT TWO THIRDS MAJORITY OKAY OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM I, I MADE REFERENCE TO IN MY NOTES AND I WILL AGAIN OPEN THE FLOOR FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO MADE NOTES OF, OF THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO TOUCH ON TONIGHT DIRECT THE LAW DIRECTOR AND FINANCE DIRECTOR AS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL OR OR APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL OR TWO THIRDS MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. EITHER WAY, HAD, IN MY NOTES, LOOKING AT WESTERVELT'S ARTICLE FIVE, SECTION TWO AND THREE, WHICH SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THEIR METHODOLOGY. ARE WE GOOD WITH TAKING A STAB THERE AT ADDRESSING IN OUR. CHARTER DRAFT? THOSE TWO POSITIONS WE COMMITTED TO THAT LAW DIRECTOR AND FINANCE DIRECTOR. YES. OKAY.

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THAT'S MY POINT. BOTH POSITIONS, BOTH POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY DIRECTLY AFFECT US, AFFECT THE COUNCIL. SO DO YOU CARE IF IT'S COUNCIL APPOINTMENT OR OR COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE CITY MANAGER'S APPOINTMENT? I THINK IT SHOULD BE COUNCIL APPOINTMENT, BUT IN BOTH CASES.

I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT YOU ALREADY DECIDED THAT HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HIRE HIS OWN STAFF.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU LEFT IT LAST TIME. BUT YOU CAN REVISIT. I THINK THAT WE.

ABSOLUTELY. WE LEFT THOSE TWO SUBJECTS AS THOSE HAD BEEN HIGHLIGHTED FOR US, AND SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE WOULD WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A VOICE. AND, YOU KNOW, CHRISTINE. YEAH, I'LL STATE IT AGAIN. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, LET'S JUST SAY THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S GOING DOWN A CERTAIN PATH AND THE CITY MANAGER IS HIRED BY OR. EXCUSE ME, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S HIRED BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO IN THAT SITUATION IS MY IN MY VIEW, THESE THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD BE A DIRECT HIRE OF THE, OF THE COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING LEGAL. YOU'RE TALKING FISCAL. THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT. BUT. WELL AND I, I CAN SEE BOTH WAYS BUT SURE. AND AND I THINK ACTUALLY IN THE, IN THE CASE OF WESTERVILLE, THE DIRECTOR OF LAW IS APPOINTED AND MAY BE REMOVED BY A MAJORITY AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. AND IN THE CASE OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, THEY ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER, SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION BY THE AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF TWO THIRDS OF THE MEMBERS ELECTED TO COUNCIL. SO. SO BOTH NOT NOT HANDLED EXACTLY THE SAME. AND THAT THAT I THINK WE JUST LEFT THAT AS THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THEY'RE DOING IT ELSEWHERE AND GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT. EVERYBODY STILL. YEAH I'M I'M GOOD WITH CONFIRMATION IN BOTH CASES. BOTH CASES. BECAUSE IF OTHERWISE IT PUTS US IN THE THAT MEANS WE'RE POSTING A JOB AND HIRING ALL THE CANDIDATES AND SELECTING ALL THAT STUFF. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BEST DONE BY CITY ADMINISTRATOR. NARROWING IT DOWN TO TWO PEOPLE, THREE PEOPLE. AND THEN WE WOULD INTERVIEW THEM AND CONFIRM THEM. BUT THAT'S ME. I'M ALSO COMFORTABLE WITH CONFIRMATION, BUT I AGAIN WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD THEM. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT, THAT I THINK FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, THIS MAKES SENSE TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER.

DOING THE LEGWORK. YES. AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TERMINATION OF EITHER ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS IS A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL OR A SUPERMAJORITY OF COUNCIL. GOOD QUESTION.

CONSISTENCY WISE, IT WOULD BE TWO THIRDS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE THROUGHOUT THE CHARTER IS TWO THIRDS. SO I MEAN, OR, OR THE CITY MANAGER COULD. RIGHT. OR IS IT A CONFIRMATION IF THE CITY MANAGER DECIDES LEGAL GETS FIRED, THEN WE HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT. SORRY, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD WORK. I KNOW I'M TRYING TO THINK IT THROUGH. I THINK THAT THAT'S THE GOAL, THINKING IT THROUGH. TED ALWAYS TALKS ABOUT GETS IN SOME SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING. HOW DO WE GET RID OF THEM IF THEY'RE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE ALSO THE ABILITY, I GUESS. I WOULD THINK THE CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE CASE TO COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW DIRECTOR, BECAUSE THAT IMPACTS NOT JUST IT IMPACTS ALL OF CITY ADMINISTRATION. I MEAN FINANCE DIRECTOR AS WELL. BUT THAT LAW DIRECTOR PIECE IS ONE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO TERM. BUT IF THERE WAS SOME NEFARIOUS ACTIVITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MALFEASANCE GOING ON, AND THEN THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR WOULDN'T MAKE THAT CASE, THEN WE'D STILL HAVE THE ABILITY OF COUNCIL TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. OR WE JUST GET RID OF CITY MANAGER OR THE CITY MANAGER. AGAIN, IN IN THE EXAMPLE OF WESTERVILLE,

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AS YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS, THE CITY HAS STILL HAS TO RUN. SO AS WHOEVER'S DISMISSING WHOM OR WHOEVER'S HIRING WHOMEVER, THERE BETTER BE LANGUAGE IN THERE AS TO HOW DO YOU TRANSITION THAT SOMEBODY STILL HAS TO APPOINT AN INTERIM BECAUSE A ROLE HAS TO BE MADE AND. TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS. AND I WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN OUR NOTES, DID WE? NO. SO WE WANT TO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PASS THAT ALONG. WE PROBABLY COULD STEAL IT FROM WESTERVILLE I SUPPOSE. OR OR SOMEONE. YEAH. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT MR. BOZO HAD CALLED TO MY ATTENTION WAS UNDER SECTION 608 TRANSFER OF FUNDS. IT'S CURRENTLY READS THE COUNCIL, ON RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY MANAGER, MAY AT ANY TIME, BY RESOLUTION, TRANSFER ANY UNENCUMBERED BALANCE. AND CHUCK JUST POINTED OUT THAT THAT ON RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY MANAGER, SHOULD BE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS LANGUAGE. THAT COUNCIL ALREADY MAY AT ANY TIME BY RESOLUTION. SO SO STRIKE THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATION BY THE CITY. THE COUNCIL MAY AT ANY TIME BY RESOLUTION. OKAY, SO ANY OTHER LOOSE END ITEMS FROM COUNCIL. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION STUFF ON THIS. OBVIOUSLY AT THE NEXT DRAFT, HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU MAKE IT WORK? AND YES, SO TRANSITION IMPLEMENTATION LANGUAGE. WELL, AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE STILL UNDER THE MISCONCEPTION IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF THE MAYOR. AND THE MAYOR IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE FOR HE'S IN HIS CURRENT TERM. SO THERE CERTAINLY IS THE THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT TRANSITION LOOKS LIKE ON THE FRONT END AND WHAT TRANSITION WOULD LOOK LIKE IN MOMENTS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE KEY, EMPLOYEES WOULD BE REPLACED. WHAT ELSE? THE FASTER THAN I EVEN THOUGHT. I THINK YOU HIT THE POINTS THAT WE LEFT. JUST JUST SOME ODDS AND ENDS.

ONE MORE THING I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP FOR. NOMINATIONS. THE PETITIONS. DID WE? I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, BEING THAT THE GROVE CITY PETITION FOR CANDIDATES IS DIFFERENT. I THINK IT'S GROVE CITY IN WORTHINGTON. WHERE DID WE LAND ON THAT? I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD AN OFFICIAL CONSENSUS OF HOW WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, OR DID WE DECIDE WE WOULD WE WERE OKAY MOVING FORWARD. REMOVING THE FIVE PERSON NOMINATING COMMITTEE. I THINK I THINK YOU LANDED WITH LEAVING THE COMMITTEE IN PLACE, BUT CHANGING YOUR START DATE TO JANUARY 1ST, WE DID CHANGE THE START DATE. I DO RECALL THAT. IS THERE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT PIECE ABOUT THE COMMITTEE'S OR THAT I SHOULD SAY ABOUT THAT? THE GROVE CITY PETITION IS DIFFERENT THAN. SO

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I'D ALWAYS RESORT BACK TO ALLOWING THE VOTERS TO VOTE INSTEAD OF COUNCIL APPOINT.

WELL. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT MY MY QUESTION IS MORE TIED TO IF WE'RE IF WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CITY. AND AS IT TURNS OUT, WESTERVILLE IS ALSO NOT. THOSE ARE NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS IN WESTERVILLE. WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THEY DOING AND WHY IS THIS A CONCERN FOR US IF IT'S NOT A CONCERN FOR THEM? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO AN ANSWER THAT THAT ALLOWS US TO REALLY SAY, ARE WE REALLY SOLVING A PROBLEM? AND AND IN AN 11TH HOUR SCRAMBLE FOR IF SOMEBODY GOT HIT BY A BUS USING YOUR YOUR ANALOGY, DO YOU GET THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB OR WOULD YOU GET THE BETTER CANDIDATE BY GOING THROUGH THAT? WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE THIS PERSON WITH AN APPOINTMENT, MEANING EVERYONE GETS SOME TIME TO CONSIDER IF THERE'S NO OTHER, IF THERE'S NO OTHER PERSON ON THE BALLOT, I AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE SIMPLIFYING THINGS AND STREAMLINING THEM SO THAT FROM THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS STANDPOINT, WE'RE WE'RE AGAIN REMOVING BARRIERS TO UNDERSTANDING AND HOW THINGS WORK. SO I FOR ME AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER AS, AS TO WHETHER WE GET RID OF THE FIVE PERSON COMMITTEE OR NOT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STILL HAVE THE RESEARCH ON OTHER. I COULDN'T POSSIBLY I MEAN, I I'M, I TUNE IN TO THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE PARTIZAN ELECTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LIST OF OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THAT HAVE NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS ARE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AND, AND LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S BEEN IF THEY'VE RUN INTO AN OBSTACLE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. SO WE'LL PUT A PIN IN THIS AND DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH FOR YOU AND BRING IT BACK. SO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESEARCH. YES, MA'AM. SO JUST THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION I HAVE, THAT WAS WHAT MR. BARRY SAID. YOU SAID THAT IF SOMEBODY GOT HIT BY A BUS OR WAS ILL PARTY IN A PARTIZAN ELECTION, THE PARTY WOULD ONLY IN A PARTIZAN. SO SINCE WE'RE NONPARTIZAN, THAT DOESN'T APPLY.

AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO COMMITTEE 5% COMMITTEE OR WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WESTERVILLE IS DOING AS WELL AND SEEING HOW THAT WORKS. RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KEEP DOING RESEARCH. I REALLY WANT TO KEEP PUSHING ON THIS. AND I THINK, TED, YOU MENTIONED A COMMENT ABOUT BUT THE VOTERS WANT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE. THEY WOULDN'T BE VOTING FOR THAT PERSON ANYWAYS.

THEY GOT HIT BY A BUS. SO THE VOTERS AREN'T VOTING. THE NAME WOULDN'T BE CHANGED ON THE BALLOT. IT WOULD WOULDN'T HAVE TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE NAME TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT AT THAT POINT. THIS ONLY MATTERS UP TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT ON THE BALLOT. SO THERE'S A DEADLINE. YEAH. SO YOU THAT'S THERE I MEAN SO YES. YES AND NO. SO IF YOU, IF YOU

[00:25:03]

IF EVERYONE IS READY TO OUR NEXT TOPIC, ANY ANY OTHER LOOSE ENDS ON THE CHARTER, WHAT WILL BE OUR NEXT STEPS? SCHEDULING A MEETING AGAIN. AND I THINK WE PROBABLY BETTER COORDINATE WITH MR. SMITH SO THAT WE'RE AGAIN LOOKING AT THE CLEAN DRAFT AND ANY RESEARCH THAT WE'VE GATHERED. SO WHEN WE ARE IN CAUCUS THIS EVENING, LET'S SCHEDULE ANOTHER TIME FOR US TO

[Review of Community Center Finance Committee Report]

YOU JUST WANT ME TO STEP THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, OKAY, CERTAINLY. SO THE COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THIS FROM TWO PERSPECTIVES. BOTH THE CAPITAL COST TO BUILD THE COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL AS THE OPERATIONAL PIECE. AND SO WITHIN THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CAPITAL FUNDING OF BUILDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO EXTEND THE PINNACLE TIFF BY 15 YEARS. AND THAT ANNUALLY BRINGS IN APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION. SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT YOU WOULD PAY THE DEBT SERVICE WITH THE PROCEEDS FROM THE PINNACLE TIFF GOING FORWARD. THEN ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED A 75% COST RECOVERY APPROACH TO OPERATING IT. WE ESTIMATE THAT THE ANNUAL OPERATING COST FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION. AND SO THEREFORE, FROM THE OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD NEED TO SUBSIDIZE THE OPERATION BY 25%, OR APPROXIMATELY $1.25 MILLION ANNUALLY. THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT IN ORDER TO DO SO, THAT WE PLACE AN INCOME TAX INCREASE OF HALF OF 1% ON THE NOVEMBER 2026 BALLOT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE ON. AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER FINANCIAL PIECES JUST FOR

[00:30:04]

THEY SET A TARGET FOR THE PARKS FOUNDATION TO DO A COMMUNITY FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN, WITH A TARGET OF $1.5 MILLION, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WEIGHING THE OPPORTUNITY OF HAVING A POSSIBLE REVENUE FROM A RENT PAYMENT. IF A PARTNER OCCUPIED SPACE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT THAT DID COME WITH THE CAVEAT THAT ON THE SITE SIDE, YOU THEN HAVE TO LOOK AT EXPANDING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND POSSIBLY THE ACREAGE OF SITE NEEDED IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ENTERTAIN A TENANT. A TENANT HAS TO BE A NONPROFIT OR SOMETHING. ALSO, YEAH, THERE'S SOMETHING WITH THEIR TAX STATUS THAT HAS TO BE WEIGHED INTO THAT DECISION. CORRECT. OSU AND MOUNT CARMEL AND ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE ARMS THAT COULD DO THAT. CERTAINLY. YOU'VE SEEN IN, YOU KNOW, OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, UPPER ARLINGTON AND HILLIARD WITH THEIR RECENT OPENINGS, HAVE BOTH HAVE OHIO STATE AND THEIR FACILITIES. SO.

QUESTIONS. THAT'S IT. COMMENTS. WELL I'LL COMMENT. PRETTY MUCH THE REASON WE SELECTED THE PINNACLE TIF EXTENSION VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WAS THAT IT BASICALLY AFFECTS NOBODY CURRENTLY. IT WOULD CONTINUE TO DEFER ADDITIONAL INCOME FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LIKE ALL THE TIFFS DO, BUT THE SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S CURRENTLY WHOLE IN THAT TIF ARE GOOD. SO TO ME, THIS WAS AN EASY WAY TO GET THE BASICALLY THE CAPITAL MONEY WITHOUT ANOTHER TAX INCREASE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR THE CITY. WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE BOND AND THE PAYMENT FOR FUNDS TO FINANCE THIS WITHOUT AN ADDITIONAL INCOME. SO THIS IS GIVEN THE OPTIONS, THIS ONE BECAME THE SIMPLEST AND LEAST IMPACT TO MOST PEOPLE. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS SELECTED. AND ALL THAT WILL TAKE TO IMPLEMENT IT IS BASICALLY I THINK CHUCK GAVE US THE ORDINANCE. SO THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO IT. IF I COULD, MADAM CHAIR. YEAH, CHUCK'S NOT HERE. BUT FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS A STRAW TIFF LEGISLATION AND THE HALF 1% ORDINANCE THAT WAS WAS CIRCULATED TO COUNCIL. OKAY. THERE WAS A DRAFT OCTOBER THE 7TH. OH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S HOW I GOT TO THE TIFF PART OF IT. AND THEN I GUESS YOU CAN GET INTO THE OPERATING PORTION. WHICH I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING THE OPERATING SEPARATE FROM THE CAPITAL. YOU KNOW, FIRST WE HAVE TO BUILD IT, THEN WE HAVE TO OPERATE IT. AND ESTIMATES, LIKE CINDY SAID, TO OPERATE IT ARE MORE THAN $1 MILLION A YEAR. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PART TIME PEOPLE AND A HANDFUL OF FULL TIME PEOPLE, AND WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE THAT LIQUIDITY IN THE BUDGET TO JUST ABSORB THIS. SO THERE HAS TO BE MORE INCOME FROM SOMEWHERE. AND CHUCK WOULD BE MUCH BETTER AT THIS. BUT MAYBE THE MAYOR CAN DO THIS. BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CITY TAX OF 2% AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 1983. EVERY OTHER CITY. BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST ONE OTHER CITY THAT HAS A 2%, AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT DON'T HAVE TWO AND A HALF OR THREE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF INCOME THAT THIS PRODUCES, IT COVERS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I ALWAYS MAKE THIS SAME COMMENT IS IF YOU WANT THE THE SIMILAR AMENITIES THAT THE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME OF THE SIMILAR REVENUE THAT THEY HAVE. YOU CAN'T EXPECT TO HAVE TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER AND

[00:35:01]

THIS IS ABOUT US BEING ABLE TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES, TO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AS IT CONTINUES TO GROW. OKAY. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE ELABORATION AS WE'VE STUDIED THE 2026 BUDGET AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING, THERE'S SEVERAL SCENARIOS THAT COME INTO PLAY. ONE OF THEM IS THE POLICE PENSION FUND THAT WANTS TO HAVE AN ESCALATED CONTRIBUTION MADE. THE OTHER ONE IS WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO MEASURE THIS YET. IS THE THE LAW THAT WENT THROUGH CONGRESS REGARDING TIPS AND OVERTIME.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS WITH THE DEBATE IN THE OHIO LEGISLATURE REGARDING PROPERTY TAXES. SO WE GOT THREE BIG UNKNOWNS. AND AS COUNCILMAN ANTHONY POINTED OUT, THE. WE WOULD, IN MY OPINION, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO ISOLATE OUR LEGISLATION TO PARKS AND REC LIKE SOME CITIES HAVE. SO I WOULD USE THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL CAVEAT AS IT'S BEING DISCUSSED.

GO AHEAD. YES. WELL, I, I APPRECIATE KIND OF THE SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE FUNDING. AGAIN, I

[00:40:05]

OBVIOUSLY DUBLIN HASN'T YET, BUT WE'VE ALL TALKED ALSO TIME AND TIME AGAIN ABOUT WANTING THE KIND OF AMENITIES THAT WE WANT HERE. WE KNOW THAT DUBLIN HAS AN INCREDIBLE INCOME TAX BASE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE FOR THEIR AMENITIES AND THEIR PROJECTS. SO I THINK JUST IN THE OVERALL GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IN TERMS OF ALL OF THESE LOFTY GOALS AND PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO ENRICH OUR COMMUNITY WITH, I THINK THESE ARE REALLY POSITIVE WAYS TO BE ABLE TO TO BRING THIS FUNDING IN. SO THANK YOU TO THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. AND, AND FOR BRINGING FORTH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. ALL RIGHT. I WILL ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE INCOME TAX DISCUSSION, I FEEL LIKE THAT DISCUSSION IS ALREADY HAD HAD QUITE A LOT OF HISTORY IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. IT CERTAINLY IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR AMBITIONS TO PROVIDE RESIDENTS WITH THE AMENITIES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CLAMORING FOR. ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE LARGE PRICE TAGS, AND AND I THINK THAT NOT ONLY AS MR. HOLT GAVE AN OVERVIEW, THERE IS A NEED FOR RESIDENTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND LOCAL TAXATION AND HOW THOSE DOLLARS ARE HANDLED. I THINK THERE ARE STILL RESIDENTS THAT BELIEVE THAT WHEN COLUMBUS WITHHOLDS 2.5% FROM YOUR PAYCHECK, THAT THEY WRITE A CHECK TO GROVE CITY FOR THAT 2.5%, BECAUSE YOUR GROVE CITY RESIDENT THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. THOSE THOSE WITHHELD DOLLARS STAY IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. WE GIVE 100% CREDIT. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER. THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS WHERE THEY DO NOT GIVE FULL CREDIT OR ANY CREDIT FOR THE WITHHELD DOLLARS. IF YOU ARE WORKING IN ANOTHER CITY SEPARATE FROM THE ONE WHERE YOU RESIDE. SO THE EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT IN TERMS OF TAXATION AS WELL AS OUR VISION FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY IN OUR COMMUNITY, IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE TASK. SO I APPRECIATE OUR HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP TOUCHING BASE ON THIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO BUILD CONSENSUS THAT WE WE DO THAT. I WILL SHARE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL, I AM MUCH MORE OF AN ADVOCATE FOR USING TIF REVENUE IN A DEFINED WAY, MEANING THAT WHEN YOU CREATE A TIF THAT YOU KNOW WHAT? ONCE IT FINALLY CASH FLOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL BE PAYING FOR VERSUS IT BECOMING JUST A POOL OF MONEY THAT GETS ASSIGNED OVER TIME BASED ON THE NEEDS OR THE DESIRES OF THE DAY. AND SO I DO STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THE EXTENSION OF A TIF THAT IS SET TO EXPIRE. IT REALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE IN THIS POSITION AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT THE INCREASE IN IN PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE EXPERIENCE ON OTHER FRONTS IS OFTEN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEARING THE BURDEN FOR THE DEMAND FOR

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BUT THAT SAID, I REALLY DO STRUGGLE WITH THE EXTENSION OF THE TIF BECAUSE OF THE RIPPLE EFFECT AND AND PARTICULARLY THE THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAS ON OUR SENIORS WHO ARE REALLY STRUGGLING TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES, PARTICULARLY WHEN REAL ESTATE VALUES CONTINUE TO CLIMB IN, IN THE REGION AND REALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO I WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT WHY. WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION IF FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE ROOM IN THOSE COMMITTEES ABOUT MAKING USING MORE THAN JUST THE INCOME TAX INCREASE? OR IF THAT'S A IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION. OR CAPITAL? WELL, I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE SEPARATED HERE, BUT DID IT NEED TO BE SEPARATED IN COMING FROM TWO SOURCES OR WHAT WAS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT? IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO THE INCOME TAX INCREASE. I THINK THAT'S THE ONE PIECE I WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND. THERE IS A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH WE CAN FINANCE CURRENTLY THROUGH BONDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. NOW, CHUCK WOULD RATTLE THAT OFF. MIKE, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? OR I MEAN, WE BASICALLY DON'T HAVE ANY MEANS OTHERWISE TO DO THIS. YES, THERE IS A LIMIT. WE COULD ISSUE APPROXIMATELY $50 MILLION WITH FOR GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER MECHANISMS WHERE WE COULD PLEDGE OUR INCOME TAX REVENUES AND USE THAT INCOME TAX INCREASE TO ISSUE DEBT ALSO.

AND I DIDN'T REALLY ATTEND ALL THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BUT I BELIEVE. I THINK THEY READ INTO THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO EARLIER THAT THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR. SO IF WE GET 10 OR $11 MILLION FROM THE INCOME TAX INCREASE, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING 5 OR 6 OF THAT FOR THE DEBT SERVICE AND ANOTHER 1.2 OR GREATER FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, IT DOESN'T LEAVE A LOT LEFT FOR THE OTHER CRUCIAL CITY SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR 2023, 24 AND 25 ARE INCOME TAX COLLECTIONS HAVE BEEN FLAT, AND I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE FLAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR. SO AND LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T I WAS NOT IN THE MEETINGS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE NEED BOTH AND USING THE PINNACLE TIF WILL FREE UP EXCESS INCOME TAX, INCREMENTAL INCREASES. I MEAN, WITHOUT I'M SURE CHUCK WOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I DON'T KNOW, CINDY, IF YOU OR THE MAYOR. WELL, WELL, I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT MISS HAWK IS SAYING, BUT THE THING ABOUT OUR CRAS AND OUR TESTS IS THAT CONTINUUM OF THE RUNOFFS, AND I THINK AS A, FOR INSTANCE, THE TIF AT PARKWAY CENTER RUNS OFF IN 30. AND IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S LIKE A 500 OR $600,000 WINDFALL THAT GOES ON YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. SO THE BEAUTY OF HOW WE'VE STRUCTURED OUR PAST DEBT OR PAST CRAS AND OUR PAST TIFS COMPENSAT, IN MY OPINION, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXTENSION. AND I THINK THE WAY THAT WE CAST THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION IN SETTING UP THAT IT WAS FULLY ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE PERIPHERAL ACTIVITIES AROUND SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT BEING THE PINNACLE. AND THEREFORE, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE HEDGING OURSELVES TO TRY TO MEET THAT. SO THERE'S SOME GOOD RATIONALE.

THERE WAS SOME GREAT ADVICE WE GOT FROM OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS ON WHY THIS HAS TO WORK THAT OR SHOULD WORK THAT WAY, I SHOULD SAY. THANK YOU. AND AND TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T NEED ANSWERS.

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[Recess; Reconvene; Approval of Minutes; Welcome & Reading of Agenda]

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YES. YES. BURROWS. YES. WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE. I AM SPEAKING TO YOU TONIGHT ON A MICROPHONE AND A CUP. FULL DISCLOSURE, WE HAVE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, SO HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME. I APPRECIATE IT, MR. HURLEY'S MACGYVER EFFORT TO GET US FUNCTIONAL FOR THE REGULAR MEETING WITHOUT DELAY. I WILL READ THROUGH THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. UNDER LANDS, WE HAVE ORDINANCE C 3625, C 3725, C 3925. RESOLUTION C R 4425, 4525 AND 4625. UNDER SAFETY WE HAVE RESOLUTION CR 4725 AND UNDER FINANCE WE HAVE ORDINANCE C 3825. IF THERE ARE NO OBJECTIONS BY ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL, THIS AGENDA IS APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT. SEEING NONE, I WILL TURN THE

[Ordinance C-36-25 Rezone 3612 - 3614 Hoover Road from PSO (Professional Services/Offices) to C-2 (Retail-Commercial). Second reading and public hearing. ]

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ANDERSON. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ORDINANCE UNDER LANZA'S

[Ordinance C-37-25 Rezone 3472 Grant Ave. from R-2 (single-family residential) to D-1 (Doubles/Twin Singles). Second reading and public hearing. ]

NANCY PARNELL. OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR RECORD, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS HAS YOU HAVE I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO COMMENT THIS EVENING. HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO WAIT AND COME BACK BECAUSE. OH, I'LL BE BACK. OKAY. I'M SURE YOU WILL. I'LL BE BACK.

OKAY. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS TONIGHT AS WELL? WELL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST NOT GRANT HIS REQUEST? IT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN. BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND, WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY MAKING IT A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE'S NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR. HE'S NOT GOING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. HE'S SPENT A LOT OF MONEY CHANGING IT ONE WAY. NOW HE'S CHANGING IT BACK.

ALSO THAT HE CAN SQUEEZE EVERY PENNY OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. YOU HAVE A JEWEL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE THAT YOU TREAT LIKE A GARBAGE, GIVING CLOSE TO A THOUSAND APARTMENTS, 2 TO 300 PARKING SPACES PRACTICALLY IN MY BACKYARD, ALONG WITH THE DUMPSTER THAT'S 48FT FROM MY BEAUTIFUL GARDEN. WHY, WHY WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD? I DON'T SEE ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE, BUT I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANY ONE OF THEM THAT LIKES IT. NOT ONE YOU CAN REFUSE, BUT HE JUST WANTS MORE TIME TO TRY AND CHANGE YOUR MINDS. I'LL BE BACK. OKAY. YOU CAN ALSO SAY NO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GRANT IT TO HIM JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS IT. BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU WHAT HE WANTS IS EVERYTHING. AND THE ONLY REASON IS BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY MAKING IT A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, SO THAT HE CAN JUST SQUEEZE MORE MONEY OUT OF IT, MORE PEOPLE IN IT. HIS HOME THAT HE OPERATES THERE, HE DOESN'T LIVE THERE. IT'S AN AIRBNB. IT'S A NUISANCE PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE COME TO TO RENT SO THAT THEY CAN DO THINGS THAT THEY WOULDN'T DO IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU KNOW. GIVE US NEIGHBORS A BREAK. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING YOUR MIND TONIGHT. I DO HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO COME BACK OUT OF COMMON COURTESY. WE WILL ALWAYS LEAST BRING THIS TO THE FOREFRONT FOR A MOTION TO POSTPONE, THE COUNCIL CAN DETERMINE AND VOTE THAT DOWN. THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE. SO THANK YOU.

WITH THAT SAID, MAKE A MOTION FOR POSTPONEMENT TILL NOVEMBER 17TH. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SECOND. THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND. ARE YOU READY FOR THE VOTE? OKAY.

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[Ordinance C-39-25 Approve a Special Use Permit for a Marijuana Dispensary for ACT Investments located at 3989 Jackpot Road. First reading. ]

THIS IS A FIRST READING. THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE CHANGED TO NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025. AND I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE ANYBODY. I DO HAVE SOMEBODY NAMED CHRIS THAT'S IN THE. ITS THE FIRST READING. AND CAN YOU SPEAK UNDER NEW BUSINESS? SURE. OKAY. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. CAN I GET A MOTION TO CHANGE THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING TO NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025? SO MOVED SECOND. HOLT. YES. BARRY. YES.

BURROWS. YES. HENDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. OKAY. YES. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT. UNDER LANDS IS

[Resolution CR-44-25 Approve a Preliminary Development Plan for Patrick Properties located south of Grove City Road and west of Demorest Road. ]

WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP THIS EVENING ON THIS RESOLUTION. A HILLARY LAFLIN AND A MIKE REAVES. HILLARY, FOR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, HILLARY LAFFIN, 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD, ERLANGER, KENTUCKY 41018. SORRY ABOUT THE LAST NAME PRONUNCIATION. OKAY, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. OKAY. IF YOU COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT FOR THE FOR US AND FOR THE AUDIENCE. SURE. SO PATRICK'S HOLLOW IS A PROPOSED 143 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. 93 OF THOSE WILL BE OUR SINGLE FAMILY MAPLE STREET PRODUCT. THE OTHER 50 WILL BE A PAIRED PATIO PRODUCT. THE MAPLE STREET PRODUCT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN THE FARMSTEAD COMMUNITY, LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST OF GROVE CITY. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT THAT PRODUCT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS BUILT THERE. WE FIRST CAME TO PLANNING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 2ND WITH A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND A PLAN THAT WAS SIMILAR, BUT IN MANY WAYS DIFFERENT THAN THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU.

COMING INTO THAT MEETING, WE LISTENED TO WHAT STAFF SAID WITH A PLANNING COMMISSION, SAID ALONG WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, AND CAME OUT OF THAT MEETING WITH A NEW VISION FOR WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD BE, WE REDESIGNED THIS DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE MADE THE OPEN SPACE MORE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY, AND BUILT A PLAN THAT WE HOPE WOULD ALIGN WITH GROVE CITY'S VISION AND BRING A BETTER COMMUNITY TO POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS. THIS PLAN HAS A CENTRAL PARK THAT'S APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES.

THERE'S ANOTHER PARK LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST THAT'S APPROXIMATELY AN ACRE. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR OUR POND TO THE TO THE NORTHEAST. THE AMENITIES THAT WE OFFER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY INCLUDE A PICNIC SHELTER, TOT LOT, WALKING TRAILS, AND A DOG PARK. AND THEN WE WILL BE NOT ONLY MEETING THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE OF 7.21 ACRES, BUT WE WILL BE EXCEEDING THAT AMOUNT. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NET ACREAGE, WE'RE OVER THAT AMOUNT BY ABOUT 15%. BUT THE TOTAL ACREAGE THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE, IF YOU INCLUDED EVERYTHING, INCLUDING BUFFERS, IS SOMEWHERE AROUND 9.31 ACRES, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 30% OVER THE REQUIRED OPEN SPACE ON THE SCREEN. HERE YOU CAN SEE SOME OF OUR ELEVATIONS FOR OUR MAPLE STREET PRODUCT. ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF OUR PAIRED PATIO PRODUCT, WHICH WE OFFER BOTH A SINGLE STORY AND A TWO STORY MODEL. AND THE LAST THING THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS AS YOU THINK ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, IS THE DENSITY AND CURRENTLY WHAT IT IS CLASSIFIED IN THE GROVE CITY LAND USE PLAN. AS OF NOW, THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS EDGE LIVING. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE PARCELS INDIVIDUALLY, THAT MAKES SENSE.

THESE ARE THESE ARE ONE ACRE PARCELS OR LARGER. THEY'RE THEY'RE CURRENTLY ON SEPTIC.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND WHAT'S AROUND IT, WE BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WITH A HIGHER DENSITY COULD BE MORE SUITABLE ON THIS SITE. AS THE LAND USE PLAN WAS CREATED, THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THOUGHT THAT EIGHT OF THESE PARCELS COULD ASSEMBLE INTO ONE LARGER

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SO NOW QUESTIONS OF COUNSEL FOR HILLARY. DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK UP. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PRODUCT. IT WAS MAPLE SOMETHING OR MAPLE STREET PRODUCT. IS THAT PRODUCT DOWN AT FARMSTEAD NOW? IT IS SIR. THAT'S A SIMILAR PRODUCT. WELL, IT'S A IT IS THAT PRODUCT. YES. IS IT THE MOST SOUTHERLY PART OF FARMSTEAD THERE OFF OF HAWTHORNE? I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT PLAN LAYS OUT. THAT MIGHT BE OUR MASTERPIECE PRODUCT. I'D HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT ONE LAYS OUT WITH THE PRODUCTS IN GROVE CITY TODAY. IT IS IN GROVE CITY TODAY. THANK YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OF COUNSEL. I DO HAVE A QUESTION, MR. WILSON. AND MAYBE I'M PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. BUT WHAT'S THE PRICE POINT ON THESE HOMES? SURE, ABSOLUTELY. JUST NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. JARED TEUFEL ADDRESS IS ALSO 7965 NORTH HIGH STREET. THE PRICE FOR THE MAPLE STREET HOMES IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY AROUND 450 TO 550. SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE APPEARED PATIO. WE'D IMAGINE THREE 350 AROUND THERE, 350 TO 370 SOMEWHERE IN THAT RANGE AS WELL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I KNOW WE'VE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A TRAFFIC STUDY AND EVERYTHING AROUND THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE STRESS ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVEN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU KNOW, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS WELL AS WE

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HOWEVER, IT'S WE'RE CERTAINLY WATCHING AND IT'S A VERY THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT INTERSECTION OUT HERE AT GROVE CITY ROAD AND AND BROADWAY. SO WE'LL REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT AND THE STUDIES CONNECTED TO THE PROPERTY, AND HOPE YOU WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO GET THAT CONNECTIVITY ESTABLISHED AND ANY TRAIL CONNECTIVITY THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE. AGAIN, BEING PART OF THE THE LARGER SOLUTION TO HOW WE MOVE VEHICLES AND PEOPLE IN THE AREA IS GOING TO BE SUPER IMPORTANT. SO THANK YOU, MISS HOUCK. YEAH, AGAIN, A LOT OF US ARE ECHOING AS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. AND I KNOW YOU'VE GONE THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION TWICE WHEN STEPPED AWAY FROM IT AND CAME BACK AND REDUCED BY SIX UNITS. WHAT WAS THE OTHER THING FROM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT YOU APPROVED? WAS IT WAS IT THE GREEN SPACE? YES. SO AS PRIMARILY THE WAY THAT THE GREEN SPACE WAS LAID OUT OKAY. YEAH. AGAIN, TRAFFIC STUDY. I KNOW THIS IS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

LOTS OF ROOM TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE AND MAKE CHANGES AS WE GO THROUGH THAT AND WORK WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM. DEFINITELY. THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO BE A TELLTALE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENT ON INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, THE INTERSECTION. I THINK PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. HOW DOES THIS HOW DOES THIS IMPACT MORE HOUSING? DOES IT ALWAYS IMPACT THE STRUGGLE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH OUR FLAT INCOME TAX? RIGHT. SO STRESS ON OUR SERVICES AGAIN, ROADS, PUBLIC SAFETY, FIRE, POLICE. WHEN YOU STEP AWAY FROM THIS AND YOU CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE NEXT STEPS AS FAR AS REZONING, BECAUSE THIS IS CURRENTLY IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE TAKING ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MISTER CHAIR. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW YOU HAD MENTIONED ABOUT A SECONDARY ACCESS, AND IS THAT THE ROAD THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE RIGHT SIDE, KIND OF UNDER THE BUBBLE THAT THAT YOU SEE THE LAKE, BUT IS THAT KIND OF THAT SECONDARY ACCESS POINT THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING TO, TO CREATE THROUGH THE CEMETERY? SO THAT IS THE SECONDARY ACCESS PLAN TODAY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY WITH THE SECONDARY ACCESS. BUT WE ARE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE CEMETERY. SOUTHWEST CORNER OR SOUTHEAST CORNER DOWN THERE, IT WOULD COME IN RIGHT KIND OF WHERE THAT WHERE THAT RED DOT IS KIND OF COMING IN AT. OKAY. SO A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT THERE. YES. AND YOU WOULD ELIMINATE THIS SECONDARY ACCESS POINT. AND WE WOULD JUST MAKE THAT INTO A REGULAR STANDARD PATHWAY.

AND THEN WHERE WOULD THEY EXIT INTO I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF DOWN NEAR AUTUMN GROVE, BUT I KNOW THE CEMETERY IS KIND OF GOING BACK TO GROVE CITY ROAD. THERE'S A, A STUB STREET, AND I DON'T RECALL THE NAME OFFHAND, BUT THERE'S A STUB STREET TO THE COMMUNITY JUST EAST OF US THAT STUBS DIRECTLY INTO THE CEMETERY. SO WE WOULD JUST MAKE THE CONNECTION FROM THAT STUB STREET AND THAT EXISTING COMMUNITY THROUGH THE BACK OF THE CEMETERY AND INTO OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY. I DO WANT TO SHARE CONCERN OVER THE DENSITY AS WELL WITH THIS PROJECT. I KNOW HOUSING IS IMPORTANT, BUT EVEN AS WE KNOW THAT HOUSING IS IMPORTANT, WE CONTINUE TO SEE THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE PRICES SKYROCKET. SO I THINK THIS TYPE OF DENSITY AT THAT PRICE POINT ISN'T NECESSARILY SOLVING ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE DO HAVE IN TERMS OF HOUSING. SO I AM HUGELY STRUGGLING WITH THE DENSITY, BUT IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES BACK. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. YES MR. BERRY. I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS. NUMBER ONE, IS ANYBODY THAT IS ON GROVE CITY ROAD TODAY KNOWS THE TRAFFIC THAT'S ON GROVE CITY ROAD. AND THEY KNOW HOW IT BACKS UP. THEY KNOW HOW IT BACKS UP SOMETIMES CLEAR TO OTHER ENTRANCES AND EVERYTHING. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PRODUCT FOR THE RIGHT SPACE. I MEAN WE'RE YOU'RE ADDING YOU'RE GOING TO ADD CLOSE TO TWO, MAYBE CLOSE TO 150 TO 200 CARS TO THE ROAD AS, AS THIS PRODUCT SITS. THE SECOND THING IS, IS YOUR YOUR DENSITY IS WAY OFF. AND ALSO THE GREEN SPACE, I MEAN, YOU YOU'VE GOT BASICALLY CLOSE TO 150 UNITS IN HERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SITTING ON NINE ACRES OF PARKLAND. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. YOUR YOUR LOTS ARE TOO SMALL. YOU'RE, YOU HAVE ONE IN AND ONE OUT CURRENTLY ON ON THE PROJECT.

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THEY'RE STACKED IN TRAFFIC FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND IT'S FRUSTRATING. I HEAR IF I JUST CHALLENGE YOU TOMORROW, 5:00, GO THERE TOMORROW, EIGHT, 830. GO TO THAT, GO TO THAT THING.

AND NOW YOU'RE ADDING 200 CARS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THE TYPE OF PERSON I DON'T CARE IF GROVE CITY IS THE LARGEST THIS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T. WE'RE NOT IN A COMPETITION. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THE ROADS WERE IMPROVED. AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU DO HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT AND EVERYTHING, BUT NOT HERE, NOT NOW. UNTIL YOU CAN SOLVE THE GROVE CITY ROAD PROJECT OR PROBLEM. SO I'M A NO THANK YOU. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO IT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER? YES, MISS ANDERSON, ONE MORE PLEASE. CHAIR, FOR A POINT OF CLARITY, THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IF THIS PASSES RIGHT NOW, IT STILL NEEDS TO GO FORWARD THROUGH FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING. BUT IF IT DOESN'T PASS, DOES IT STILL CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH? I JUST WANTED A POINT OF CLARITY FOR EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS GOES DOWN TONIGHT, THAT IT WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND IF IT PASSES TONIGHT, WHAT THE PROCESS IS. OKAY, IF MR. ROUSH. MR. ROUSH YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT AS FAR AS ANNEXATION AND ZONING. THANK YOU. YES. THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS MERELY A CONCEPTUAL CONCEPT PLAN. REGARDLESS. IT'S NON-BINDING. IT CAN STILL GO FORWARD WITH THE REZONING. I BELIEVE SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER STILL NEEDS ANNEXED. SO THERE'S SEVERAL STEPS THAT NEED TO GET FROM GET US FROM A TO B. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE. ANNEXED.

ZONED TRAFFIC STUDY FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES. SO THERE'S 3 OR 4 STEPS THAT WE NEED TO GET. WE NEED TO CLEAR FIRST. THANK YOU MISS ANDERSON.

IS THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OKAY. AWESOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. BARRY. NO.

ROSS. YES. ANDERSON. REAL QUICK, MR. DO IS HERE. YES HE IS, THANK YOU. HE'S STUCK IN MY APOLOGIES. MR. DO SO, MR. BARRY. MR. DO. NO. BURROWS. YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. NO. ELK.

YES. HOLT. NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION CR 4525 TO APPROVE A PRELIMINARY

[Resolution CR-45-25 Approve a Preliminary Development Plan for Green Oaks of Grove City located at the southeast corner of Big Run and Holt Roads. ]

HAPPY TO. WE DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION IF WE CAN FLIP TO THAT AS WELL. BUT FIRST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH THE STAFF THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO TO BUILD A NEW ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AT THE CORNER OF BIG RUN SOUTH AND HOLT ROAD. ACCESS TO CARE OPTIONS FOR SENIORS IS IMPORTANT IN THE STATE OF OHIO. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION TO ADD MORE ASSISTED LIVING OPTIONS FOR SENIORS NOT ONLY IN OHIO, IN COLUMBUS, BUT IN GROVE CITY. AS THE SLIDE TALKS ABOUT HERE, WE BELIEVE THIS IS A REALLY A WIN WIN FOR GROVE CITY AND SENIORS. A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY, PROVIDING OVER 50 JOBS, BOLSTERING LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH. APOLOGIES, THROUGH STABLE JOB GROWTH AND ACCESS, SCHOOLS, AND FOR

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SO I'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH RESIDENTS OUT IN THE AREA, AND I TOLD YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS IS THAT PARKING LOT THAT'S LOCATED TO THE SOUTH AND THE POND AND WHERE THE POND IS LOCATED. THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS GIVEN TO US HAD THE POND TO THE SOUTH, WHICH RESIDENTS ACTUALLY LIKED. THEY LIKED HAVING THE POND NEXT TO THEIR HOUSES SO THEY COULD. IT WAS A NICE BUFFER BETWEEN BETWEEN IT AND ALSO FOR IT WOULD BE NICE FOR FISHING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ENTER IN INTERACTING WITH THE RESIDENTS, THE OLDER RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING WITH KIDS AND EVERYTHING. AND YOU HAVE A NICE BIKE PATH. I'M GLAD YOU HAD THAT PUT INTO THE DETAIL AND EVERYTHING, BUT MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT PARKING LOT AND WE DISCUSSED THIS AND MOVING THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE POND IS AND THE POND BACK.

ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE BUFFER TO THE TO THE EAST IS EITHER MOUNDED AND HAS A LOT OF TREES. AND I'VE GOT ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP WITH THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE TO FIND OUT IF THEY WOULD WANT A FENCE ON A MOUND OR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE, OR IF THEY'D WANT HIGHER DENSITY TREES. THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE, I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED WHEN IN OUR CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE OF HAVING THAT IN EGRESS RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT. AND I AGREE WITH KYLE. IT MAKES SENSE THERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO TAKE THE TRAFFIC TO ONCE IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT TO THE SOUTH. ALSO ANY LIGHTING THAT'S DONE IN THE AREA, WE I'D REQUEST THAT IT'S THAT IT'S THE DOWNWARD LIGHTING.

SO IT'S NOT THAT THE LIGHTING THAT SPREADS, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT'S CALLED. I'M SURE THESE GUYS DO, BUT AND THEN JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE BUFFER THAT IS LOCATED TO THE EAST IS HEAVILY TREED AND MEETS THE MEETS IT MEETS THE REQUEST OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AND TALKING TO THEM. THEY BASICALLY SAID THIS IS THE LESSER OF SOME OF THE EVILS THAT COULD BE THERE. I KNOW THE MAYOR AND KYLE HAVE TRIED TO BE VERY SELECTIVE

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AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT IF YOU COULD MOVE THE BUILDING, SINCE THIS IS PRELIMINARY, MOVE THE BUILDING AS CLOSE TO AS CLOSE TO THE ROAD ON THE WEST, YOU KNOW, PUSHING IT AS FAR FORWARD AS YOU CAN TO ALLOW MORE GREEN SPACE ON THE BACKSIDE. THAT, AND I WISH YOU COULD DO IT WITH TWO STORIES INSTEAD OF THREE. SO THAT'S MY WISH LIST. IF YOU WANT TO BE SANTA CLAUS, I'D REALLY BE HAPPY. APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS. I'LL BE I'LL BE. YOU KNOW, AS WE TALKED ON THE PHONE, I'LL, YOU KNOW, BE, YOU KNOW, I'LL VOTE FOR IT TODAY AS IT WITH THOSE SUGGESTIONS. BUT MY, MY VOTE IN THE FUTURE HAS TO HAVE THAT STUFF IN IT. THANK YOU AND MR. BERRY FOR CLARIFICATION. AND JARED AS WELL. THERE ARE THREE STIPULATIONS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY'RE ALL RELATED TO LANDSCAPING. AND YOU ARE AWARE OF THOSE AND ARE IN AGREEMENT OF THOSE. YES, WE ARE OKAY. HE'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL IN HIS CONVERSATIONS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. MR. WILSON, I SEE YOU ONE QUICK QUESTION AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS. HOW MANY RESIDENTS? 100 AND 2020. CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION, PLEASE? ARE YOU DONE, MR. WILSON? YES. MR. BERRY, WILL YOU HAVE WILL YOU HAVE PKA'S ON STAFF TO HELP RESIDENTS THEN I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE NURSES AND DOCTORS, BUT WILL YOU HAVE PHYSICIAN ASSISTANTS TO HELP? YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

THAT THAT LEVEL OF CARE IS PROVIDED. IT'S NOT 24 HOUR NURSING CARE. IT'S DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. BUT SO YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE THAT WILL HELP THEM, HELP PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP TRANSFERRING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CORRECT. AND ON SITE, ONE OF THE AMENITIES, THE PHYSICAL THERAPY ROOM AS WELL. SO PHYSICAL THERAPISTS CAN AND AND A GYM CAN COME TO THE PROPERTY TO ADMINISTER THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR. OH YEAH.

THANKS FOR BEING HERE AND BRINGING BRINGING THIS PROJECT FORWARD. WHERE COULD WE SEE THIS IN OPERATION TODAY? YEAH. SO ONE EVERGREEN REAL ESTATE GROUP I WE MISSED THAT SLIDE.

WE'RE A DEVELOPER OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER BASED IN CHICAGO BUT HAVE AN EXTENSIVE PRESENCE HERE IN OHIO. OVER TEN PROPERTIES AND 1000 UNITS TODAY. YOU CAN FIND A NUMBER OF OUR ASSISTED LIVING PROPERTIES IN ILLINOIS AND IN INDIANA. WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON TWO DEALS RIGHT NOW WITH FIVE MORE AROUND COLUMBUS. SO WE WOULD POINT YOU TO OUR OPERATING PARTNER, GARDEN MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS, AND SOME OF THEIR SIMILAR PROPERTIES IN COLUMBUS. OKAY.

SO THE SIMILAR PRODUCT IT MAY NOT BE YOURS THEN. CORRECT? YEAH. AND I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE. YEAH WE'D WANT TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, MISS HOUCK. YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY I KNOW THIS IS EARLY DAYS AND AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERACTION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND NOT THAT MR. BERRY ISN'T AN EXCELLENT OMBUDSMAN, BUT TAKE ANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU CAN GET TO CONNECT WITH RESIDENTS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE ITEMS THAT MR. BERRY IS ADDRESSING ARE JUST THAT, THAT EXACT THING BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS, YEAH, NO, I'M SURE YOUR GOAL NO THANK YOU. AND IT WAS GREAT TALKING WITH YOU. YOU'RE AWESOME ON THE PHONE. THANK YOU. YOU DID SEND LETTERS OUT AND AND DID NOT HEAR BACK. BUT THAT'S WHEN NO ONE THERE'S NOTHING IN PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S NO ONE HERE SIGNED UP. SO JUST. BUT IT DOESN'T BEAT KNOCKING ON DOORS AND AND WE HOPE TO DO THAT ALONGSIDE YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE THE OUTREACH HAS OCCURRED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. MY FINAL COMMENTS ARE ARE YOU STILL AT 44FT VERSUS THE 35FT IN ZONING. NO I BELIEVE WE'RE THE CENTER LINE IS 35FT OF THE ROOF. YEAH OKAY.

OH. YEAH. THE TOP IS THOUGH. ALL RIGHT. THE ROOF LINE. OKAY. TRAFFIC STUDY. SO WE DO WE HAVE TRIP GENERATION DATA RIGHT NOW. OUR AM AND PEAKING TRIPS ARE MINIMAL. IT'S AROUND 40 WHICH MEANS ABOUT 20 CARS IN THE MORNING GO IN AND OUT. IT'S STAFF IN THE EVENING IT'S AROUND 50, WHICH IS THAT 25 STAFF UNDER 10% OF OUR RESIDENTS DRIVE THE PARKING THERE TODAY, WHICH IS 70 FOR 120 UNITS, IS PRIMARILY THERE FOR FOR STAFF AND FOR VISITORS.

SO YOUR RESIDENTS DO DRIVE. I THOUGHT, ARE THEY DOING UNDER 10%? THAT'S WHY IT'S YEAH, VERY MINIMAL DRIVE. WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION AS AS A MAIN SERVICE OKAY. FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD. ALL RIGHT. THIS ORDER OUR RESOLUTION HAS HAD IT READING AND PUBLIC HEARING I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. MR. JEW. YES. BURROWS. YES.

ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. YES. HOLT. YES, BARRY. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. FINAL

[Resolution CR-46-25 Amend Resolution CR-35-24 to permit the installation of a Temporary Mural located at 3500 Southwest Blvd. in celebration of America 250-Ohio. ]

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WILSON. YES, YES. YES YES, YES. ALL RIGHT, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE UNDER LANCE

[Resolution CR-47-25 Support Issue 36 - Jackson Township Fire Renewal Levy on the November 04, 2025 Balltot. ]

TONIGHT I HAVE RESOLUTION CR 4725. THIS RESOLUTION IS TO SUPPORT ISSUE 36, THE JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE RENEWAL LEVY ON THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2025 BALLOT. SO THE RESOLUTION IS FROM COUNCIL STATING THAT WE WOULD ENDORSE THE ISSUE 36 FIRE LEVY THAT WILL BE ON THE BALLOT AND ALSO ENCOURAGING THE CITIZENS OF JACKSON TOWNSHIP, AND ESPECIALLY THE CITY OF GROVE CITY, TO ALSO VOTE YES FOR ISSUE 36 TO RETAIN QUALITY FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICES. I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR SPEAKING. I DO WANT TO FIRST THANK OUR FIRE CHIEF, CHIEF LITTLE, WHO IS HERE, AND THEN ALSO OUR TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES WHO ARE HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE ANYONE TO SPEAK. MR. ROCK, YOU'RE LISTED. DO YOU WANT TO START? SURE. GOOD EVENING, JIM ROCK, 1111 LONDON GROVEPORT ROAD, GROVE CITY. JUST LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT ENABLES THIS LEVY ENABLES US TO CONTINUE SERVICE JUST AS IT IS TODAY. IT ALLOWS FOR FUNDING FOR GOOD EMPLOYEE RETENTION. THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ABOUT 106 FIREFIGHTER AND STAFF STRONG AND COULDN'T BE PROUDER OF WHAT WE PROVIDE EVERY DAY. WHEN YOU KIND OF LOOK AT FIRST RESPONDERS, IT'S A NETWORK. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S ONE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. YOU'VE GOT TO ADD IN FINE GROVE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT, GOT TO REMEMBER TO ADD IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, GOT TO REMEMBER TO ADD IN THE HIGHWAY PATROL. AND THERE'S SO MANY ASPECTS TO SAFETY THAT THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE KEY PIECES OF THE PUZZLE. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISTER ROCK? OKAY. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER. THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE SIGNED UP. IS THAT RIGHT? ON BEHALF OF ALL OF YOU. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK I'LL ALSO ADD JUST COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT WE TALK A LOT ABOUT SOME OF THE TIFFS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD WITH OUR BUILDING AND OUR PROJECTS, AND MONEY IS MADE WHOLE TO OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS ON THOSE TIFFS, BUT NOT ALWAYS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THROUGH BEULAH AND PINNACLE, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, COME FORWARD AND BE BROUGHT IN THIS BALANCE BALANCING ACT THAT WE DO HAVE TO DO BETWEEN CITY AND TOWNSHIP. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THIS LEVY AND ENCOURAGING OUR CITIZENS ALSO TO BE SUPPORTIVE IS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, KNOWING THAT WE DO HAVE THIS BALANCE WITH, WITH AS OUR CITY GROWS AND AS PROJECTS ANNEX INTO THE CITY.

SO YES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT, I BELIEVE, TRULY BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE NEED FOR A THRIVING COMMUNITY. IT MAKES EVERYTHING STRONGER.

OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITY, OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND HAPPY TO BE HERE TO HELP ENDORSE THIS. IF I COULD, AS YOUR I'M SORRY FOR THE CHAIR. WHO'S A CHAIR?

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THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THIS IS NOT A TAX INCREASE, THIS LEVY IS ONLY FOR EVALUATION, RIGHT? THERE'S NO TAX INCREASE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO TAXING BUT NO TAX INCREASE. BUT THE EFFECTIVE RATE I THINK IS LIKE 2.5 OR WHATEVER IS WAY, WAY LOWER. OKAY. WELL AGAIN FOR CLARITY THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD BECOMES PART OF THE IT SAYS FOUR MIL. BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY IS THAT THERE'S NO TAX INCREASE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLARIFIED THAT THAT'S THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU. YES. AND BY THE WAY, ON THE ASSESSMENT YOU MENTIONED THE THE TIF, MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MIKE, IN 2026, WE OWE THEM A A SQUAD. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? 2525. YEAH. GOT IT. OKAY. SO THAT ALL BECOMES PART OF THE BIG PICTURE ON MANAGING THE TIF. SO AND I THINK THEY'RE SAYING THEY GOT IT. YES THEY WERE. YOU COULD HAVE DONE YOUR CHECK SIX. STILL AWAKE. YES MISS HOUSE. YEAH I WANTED TO ECHO THE MAYOR'S SENTIMENT BECAUSE THIS LANGUAGE OF NOT TO EXCEED FOUR MILS. I ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS AS THIS GOES ON, AS WHEN ANY LEVY GOES ON ON THE AUDITOR'S WEBSITE, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY TAXES, WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS LEVY ON YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL? YOU WILL SEE IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME. SO IT IS A RENEWAL AND AND APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY ABOUT IT REALLY IS AT WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE EFFECTIVE TAX RATE BASED ON NEW VALUES. FIVE YEARS GONE BY. SO I DID RESURRECT MY OLD NOTES BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO A RESURRECTION, THE SAME AS WE'RE IN THE RENEWAL MODE. GOING BACK TO THE YEAR OF THE LAST CONVERSATION. BUT THE TOWNSHIP REALLY COMMITTED TO PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING THE NEED FOR REVENUE NECESSARY TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THE HIGH QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL SAFETY OF OUR RAPIDLY GROWING COMMUNITY. ALWAYS WORTH SAYING HOW HARD THEY WORK TO BE PROACTIVE IN KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT THEY NEED TO MEET THE NEEDS. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY I'M NOT ALONE IN LISTENING TO AND IT'S NOT FIRE RUNS, IT'S EMS RUNS. THERE'S SO MANY MORE EMS RUNS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AS CITY LEADERS, WE ALL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE USE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS SUCH AS TIFS AND CRAS TO MAKE DECISIONS IMPACTING TOWNSHIP REVENUE AND THROUGH APPROVAL OF NEW RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT THE DEMAND FOR SERVICES BY JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE AND EMS. ACCORDINGLY, WE HAVE THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION SO THAT WE MAY COLLECTIVELY BEST SERVE THE INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND IN SHORT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US GET AROUND THE TABLE MORE FREQUENTLY AT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S MAKES US ALL BETTER. SO JUST WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU. THANKS, CHIEF. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, PLEASE SEND OUR THANK YOUS TO YOUR TEAM FOR ALL THE THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU ALL DO. WE SEE YOU. THE OTHER THING, KEVIN DID SPEAK VERY HIGHLY OF THE RESPONSE WHEN WE HAD THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING AND HOW YOUR TEAM TOOK GREAT CARE WITH OUR OFFICER. SO I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO ALSO SEND THAT THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES. MR. BARRY, I GOT TO TOUCH ON THE HUMAN ELEMENT HERE FOR A MINUTE. I THINK I'VE TOLD DAVE AND JIM THIS STORY BEFORE, BUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO, MY MOTHER WAS AT HER SATURDAY OR FRIDAY BEAUTICIAN STOP. AND I GOT A CALL. I WENT HOME, DROPPED HER OFF AND WENT HOME. AND I GOT A CALL FROM THE BEAUTICIAN SAYING THAT YOUR MOM IS HAVING YOUR MOM'S NON-RESPONSIVE AND EVERYTHING. I GET IN THE CAR, THEY CALL THE EMERGENCY SQUAD. SHE'S 92 NOW. THIS IS FOR ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO, AND I GET THERE.

THE DOOR, THE THE THEY OPEN THE DOORS. MY MOM WOULD NOT GO TO THE HOSPITAL UNTIL HER HAIR WAS DONE. YOUR GUYS WERE SITTING THERE WORKING ON HER. SO POLITE, SO COURTEOUS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'VE GOT A VIDEO, I SHOT IT. SHE WAS STABLE AT THAT POINT. I GOT A VIDEO OF

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THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. YOU ALL DO AS WELL. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES, YES YES YES. DO.

YES. YES. THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TONIGHT, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

[Ordinance C-38-25 Amend Exhibit "A" of Ordinance C-09-25 creating the "Grove City CARES" Healthcare Grant Pilot Program. Second reading and public hearing.]

THIS HAS TURNED INTO A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM. SO WHY DON'T GO AHEAD? I KNOW YOU'VE GOT WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST. DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? I GUESS I'M GOING FIRST. THANK YOU.

MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. AS MR. BERRY MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE MAY. IT IS A PILOT PROGRAM AND BOTH MAYOR STAGE AND OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, MR. HOLT AND MR. BERRY, WERE SUPPORTIVE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. MAUREEN CAHILL LED THE WAY AS OUR CHAIR.

RICHARD DONNELLY FROM FINANCE, WAS A GREAT RESOURCE. AND THEN ALONG THE WAY, WE DID WANT TO LEARN AS MUCH AS WE COULD ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT WAS THAT WE COULD MAKE WITH THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT? SO WE DID REACH OUT TO MR. DAN SCHRADER. HE IS LOCAL HERE IN GROVE CITY. HE'S A HEALTH MARKETS EXPERT. SO HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME INSIGHT THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO OBTAIN OURSELVES. MAUREEN AND MYSELF BOTH HAVE HEALTHCARE BACKGROUND WITH OUR CURRENT POSITIONS, SO WE HAD SOME INTEREST IN THIS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING AND SOME, YOU KNOW, INSIGHT THAT WE COULD PROVIDE. WE DID EXTENSIVELY REVIEW ALL THE POSSIBILITIES WITH THIS, RIGHT. AS MR. BERRY MENTIONED, IT WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF AS MAYBE A GRANT PROGRAM. BUT IN ORDER TO APPROPRIATELY ASSESS THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT, IT WE DETERMINED THAT IT WAS BEST THAT IT BE A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR DOCUMENTATION PURPOSES. WE DID SPEND LOTS AND LOTS OF TIMES ON HEALTHCARE.GOV ASSESSING ALL THE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE FOR THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE AFFECTED BY THIS. AND SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT THIS IS, IS A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE TO USE HEALTHCARE.GOV TO PURSUE MEDICAL INSURANCE BECAUSE THEIR CURRENT EMPLOYER DOES NOT PROVIDE IT OR OTHERWISE THEY DON'T HAVE IT ACCESSIBLE. BIG IMPACT. RIGHT ON. LET'S SAY 26 YEAR OLDS JUST GOT OFF THEIR FAMILY'S INSURANCE PROGRAM. NOW ALL OF A

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TOOK QUITE A WHILE. RIGHT. BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO DO ULTIMATELY WAS PROVIDE THE MOST HELP WE COULD FOR THESE FOLKS. WITHIN REASON, WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO TO PILOT THIS PROGRAM, WE DID DECIDE THAT NOT ONLY WOULD IT BE APPLICANTS WHO LIVE IN GROVE CITY, BUT ALSO APPLICANTS THAT WORK IN GROVE CITY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WORK HERE, TOO, RIGHT? IF THEY HAPPEN NOT TO LIVE HERE, BUT THEY WORK HERE AND, YOU KNOW, PAY OUR TAXES, THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS, TOO, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO IMPACT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. PART OF THE INSIGHT THAT MR. SCHRADER WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE US WAS WHAT KIND OF VOLUMES OF FOLKS OUT THERE COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS, RIGHT? WE DIDN'T KNOW. WE SAID, WE KNOW IT SOUNDS GOOD, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO REIMBURSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR HEALTHCARE, BUT HOW MANY OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP? HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME INSIGHT ON THE NUMBER THAT HE DEALS WITH. AND HE'S JUST ONE BROKER, RIGHT. THAT MAY AFFECT SOME OF THESE OR MAY BE ABLE TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO TO THIS PROGRAM TO GAIN SOME BENEFIT FROM IT. AND THERE'S MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THIS THAN WE ANTICIPATED IN THE BEGINNING. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, SO WE'RE HOPING THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. RIGHT? AND THIS IS COMPLETELY BASED ON THE CURRENT SITUATION. SO HEALTHCARE.GOV HAS A CERTAIN PROCESS IN PLACE TODAY. THEY COVER CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF HEALTHCARE TODAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE BASE THIS ON. WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S THINGS IN THE WORKS AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEVEL THAT MAY IMPACT THIS IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE AS A TEAM, A COMMITTEE, ARE DEDICATED TO ADDRESSING THAT IN THE FUTURE.

TO THIS ISN'T A ONE TIME SHOT. AND THEN WE PUT IT BACK TO SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE CARE OF.

WE'RE HOPING TO TO HELP SEE THIS THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT IF LEGISLATURE CHANGES AND THERE'S DIFFERENT COVERAGES AVAILABLE OR NOT AVAILABLE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ADJUST TO THAT AND PRESENT TO THE COUNCIL ALTERNATIVES. WITH THE NEW GUIDELINES, IF THEY THEY HAPPEN TO, TO COME ABOARD. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S IT. QUESTIONS. COMMITTEE. SURE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE JUST JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING, EXCUSE ME, PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE WE KNOW A LOT OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AND RAISED IN GROVE CITY, CAN'T LIVE HERE, BUT THEY STILL WORK HERE, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE OTHER ONE, I HAD QUESTIONS AROUND HEALTHCARE.GOV AND THE ACA, SO I DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE IT IS FLUID. AND LASTLY, I WOULD JUST SAY. WHEN WHEN THIS IS APPROVED IN MARYLAND, IF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION OR IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT HEALTHCARE.GOV IS VERY, VERY CHALLENGING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SIGN UP. AND SO IF WE COULD CREATE SOME SORT OF HEALTH ACCESS WEEK IN NOVEMBER, WHEN THEY HAVE THE OPEN ENROLLMENT TO HELP RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE THAT WANT TO SIGN UP, THAT LIVE IN GROVE CITY OR WORK HERE JUST TO HELP THEM GET SIGNED UP OR RENEW THEIR COVERAGE, BECAUSE IT IS VERY WONKY AND VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN UP ON. SO JUST JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T WANT TO ADVERTISE. I'M NOT HERE FOR THAT. BUT MR. SHRADER HERE, THAT IS HIS BUSINESS. SO AND HE'S ONE OF MULTIPLE THAT ARE THAT WORK HERE IN GROVE CITY. AND THEY DO THAT JUST THAT THEY TRY TO HELP RESIDENTS ACCESS NOT ONLY HEALTHCARE.GOV BUT OTHER OPTIONS. BUT THAT IS

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ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE CARES OVERVIEW SHEET THAT WAS SHARED WITH US, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF AN AGE 30 YEAR OLD MAKES $35,000 A YEAR. OF COURSE, I THINK THAT'S THE CAP FOR THIS PROGRAM, RIGHT? THIS PILOT PROGRAM. YEAH, RIGHT. IS THIS A $95, 95 AND $0.19 PER MONTH? YES. AND WHAT KIND OF DEDUCTIBLE DOES THAT SINGLE SILVER LEVEL PLAN HAVE? I DON'T KNOW THAT I RECORDED THAT FOR IS LIKE 4 TO $5000 OKAY. AND THAT'S PRETTY COMMON THESE DAYS BECAUSE I KNOW THESE THESE ARE VERY, VERY HIGH. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WELL NO, WE PURPOSELY THERE ARE SO MANY PLANS AVAILABLE ON HEALTHCARE.GOV. SO THERE'S BRONZE SILVER AND GOLD. BRONZE IS THE CHEAPEST OUT OF YOUR PAY YOU KNOW. BUT TYPICALLY HIGHER DEDUCTIBLES. RIGHT. AND THEN THE GOLD COVERS MORE. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE TRIED TO GIVE OUR BEST STAB AT AT THE MIDDLE. SO THE SILVER ONES THAT WE PICKED THERE'S THERE'S EVEN MULTIPLE SILVER ONES. RIGHT. SO WE PICKED SOMEWHERE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. YOU KNOW, ONE SUNDAY I SPENT ALL DAY TRYING TO FIND THE MIDDLE OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DID. AND SO IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF THE AVERAGE. SO WHAT YOU THE NUMBERS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU ARE KIND OF AVERAGE. SO THE $400 FOR A SINGLE PERSON THAT WE CAME UP WITH ON AVERAGE, WOULD COVER AT LEAST FOUR MONTHS OF THEIR PREVIOUS YEARS, HEALTHCARE.GOV PAYMENTS, NOT ALL OF IT, BUT A GOOD CHUNK. NOW, IF THEY TOOK A LOWER PLAN WE'D PAY FOR, WE'D BE REIMBURSING THEM EVEN MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF THE MONTHS THAT THEY THAT'S COVERED. SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO COME IN THE MIDDLE SOMEWHERE TO SEE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPACT WE COULD MAKE. THAT'S FAIR. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD. YEAH, THIS IS ABOUT A THIRD. YEAH. AT THE 35 MAX. YEAH. SO THIS THE 435,000 AND THE 650,000 KIND OF IS THE MIDDLE SWEET SPOT OF THE MOST IMPACT WE CAN MAKE WITH THIS PROGRAM CURRENTLY. THANK YOU. IF I MAY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA OF SOME NUMBERS, BUT I DID YOU SHARE THAT I DON'T THINK THAT I YEAH, NOT EXACTLY. BUT WE KNOW BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. SCHRADER, THAT HE ALONE WOULD BE ABLE TO MENTION THIS PROGRAM TO HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE. AND KNOWING THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS WELL VERSED WITH HEALTHCARE.GOV AND DOESN'T ALWAYS GO TO A HEALTH BROKER FOR ASSISTANCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY NOT UNREALISTIC THAT A THOUSAND PEOPLE COULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS, RIGHT? WE CAN'T CURRENTLY SUPPORT THAT MANY PEOPLE WITH THE FUNDS. BUT WHAT AGAIN, THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM WE'RE HOPING THAT WE AFFECT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE POSITIVELY THE FIRST GO ROUND AND AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE FUTURE AS THINGS CHANGE AND ACCESS CHANGES. AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE A LITTLE BIT DEPENDENT ON HEALTHCARE.GOV.

LIKE IF ANYTHING CHANGES WITH THAT. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, USE THE FIRST YEAR AS A PILOT. WE WANT TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE REACH OUT TO US FOR THIS REIMBURSEMENT AND SEE HOW FAST THEY RESPOND. RIGHT? HOW SO THAT WE CAN ADJUST MOVING FORWARD. DO WE NEED TO ADVERTISE MORE? DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE MORE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT? WE WANT TO BE VERY

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BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT REIMBURSEMENT AMOUNT COULD IMPACT, POTENTIALLY 150, 150. NO, NO, I MEAN, IF YOU JUST DID THE MATH. YEAH, DIVIDE BY 500, IT'D BE 150 OR SOMETHING. IT IS A PILOT PROGRAM. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. AND IF COUNCIL DECIDES IN A YEAR THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE RESULT OR THEY DON'T LIKE THE SYSTEM, I MEAN, IT GOES AWAY. HOW WILL IT BE DECIDED WHO GETS INTO THE PILOT PROGRAM? IT'S ESSENTIALLY FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. RIGHT? SO WE'LL WE'VE PUT TOGETHER SOME INITIAL MARKETING MATERIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE WERE AWARE THAT IT EXISTS, SO THAT WE CAN GET AS MANY PEOPLE IN INTERESTED IN HELPED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE HOPE TO REACH OUT TO FOLKS LIKE MR. SCHRADER, LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT GROVE CITY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WORD IS SPREAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND THAT WE GET AS MANY APPLICANTS AS POSSIBLE. BUT IT WILL BE COME FIRST SERVE WITHOUT USING, YOU KNOW, A BETTER PHRASE, BUT SO WE'LL HELP THE FIRST. TO MR. HOLT'S POINT 150 PEOPLE THAT WE CAN. AND WE CERTAINLY THINK BASED ON OUR INITIAL RESEARCH THAT, YOU KNOW, UPWARDS OF MAYBE AN EVEN A THOUSAND PEOPLE COULD BE POTENTIALLY AFFECTED. SO WE'RE HOPING TO CAPTURE THAT FIRST 150 AT LEAST. AND IF IT'S A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM, THEN MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK AND SEE WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO. BUT THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TASK FORCE THEN STAYS INTACT THROUGH. THIS PILOT PROGRAM HAS CREATED SOME MARKETING AND ADVERTISING, BUT WILL THERE BE NEEDS WITHIN THE INTERNAL ADMINISTRATION TO BE POSTING THIS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, OR I'M ASSUMING IS IS SOMEBODY GETTING WHAT WHAT IS THE ADDED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED FROM OUR INTERNAL ADMINISTRATION, WHO WE DON'T HAVE A JOB NECESSARILY SET UP FOR ONE PERSON TO KIND OF MANAGE THIS, BUT IN TERMS OF THINGS COMING IN AND RECORDS THAT NEED TO BE KEPT HERE AT THE AT THE PUBLIC LEVEL. YEAH.

AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INITIAL DISCUSSION HAS BEEN THAT POTENTIALLY WE WOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE GROVE CITY WEBSITE AS AT LEAST A LINK TO THESE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU THAT THAT PASS WITH THIS. SO THAT THEY CAN ACCESS THE DOCUMENTS. CORRECT. AND AT LEAST SEE THE MARKETING MATERIALS. OTHERWISE IT'LL BE A LOT OF WORD OF MOUTH HANDING OFF AT CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ENTITIES THROUGHOUT GROVE CITY TO SPREAD THE WORD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND AT LEAST THROUGH ONE BROKER. WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT IF WE SHARE IT WITH OTHER BROKERS THROUGHOUT GROVE CITY OR THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THEY WOULD CAPTURE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND OR WORK IN GROVE CITY, THAT THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE THIS WITH THE WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COULD GAIN THE BENEFIT OF THE. ALYSSA.

YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PARALLELS TO THIS IN THE HIGHER EDUCATION SCHOLARSHIP OR THE FUNDING THAT WE DO FOR THAT, WHERE, TAMMY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SHE'LL COLLECT THE DOCUMENTS, VALIDATE THAT WHATEVER SHE HAS TO VALIDATE AND DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OF THAT WITH WHATEVER HELP NECESSARY SHE NEEDS. RICHARD. RICHARD I COULD PROBABLY RICHARD, FOR SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, TOO. YEAH. FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WITH EXISTING STAFF. THERE SHOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR

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YES. OKAY. AND SORRY, I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT BROKERS AND YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT OF ONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING ON THE TASK FORCE. HE WASN'T AN OFFICIAL MEMBER OF THE TASK. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. THAT WILL HELP KIND OF WITH MY QUESTION AND JUST JUST CLARITY, I THINK IN TERMS OF THIS. SO ANYBODY CAN GO TO HEALTHCARE.GOV, TRY AND FIGURE THIS OUT THEMSELVES. IF THEY'RE THE FIRST TO HEAR ABOUT THIS, THEY CAN CERTAINLY WORK TOWARDS THIS REIMBURSEMENT. TRY AND GET THEIR NAME IN THE HAT FOR THIS REIMBURSEMENT FOR THEMSELVES IF PEOPLE AREN'T SURE WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THROUGH ADVERTISING, MAYBE SOME FAIRS. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE? A COUPLE OF THINGS, I MEAN, ONE, IF THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BROKERS WITHIN THE AREA THAT COULD CERTAINLY HELP WITH THIS, DO BROKERS THEN BENEFIT FROM SOMEBODY WORKING WITH THEM AS WELL? SO WHILE WE'RE CREATING THIS POTENTIAL OF A OF A REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAM, I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT AND NOT WANTING IT TO BE NECESSARILY A MONOPOLY OR THIS, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON IN GROVE CITY HAPPENS TO GET ALL THIS BUSINESS, BUT THEN THAT ALSO CREATES A BENEFIT FOR THAT BUSINESS AS WELL, WHEN IT WAS REALLY, I THINK, INTENDED JUST TO HELP COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO NEED THAT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME INFORMATION. SURE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY, THERE IS DEFINITELY A BENEFIT TO THE TO THE BROKERS IN THE AREA, BUT I THINK IT COMES IN DIRECTLY BECAUSE THOSE POTENTIAL CLIENTS WOULD OTHERWISE MAYBE NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. AND SO OBVIOUSLY TO ME, THERE WOULD BE A BENEFIT IN THAT. NOW I'M BRINGING THIS BUSINESS IN BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE ABLE TO TO DRAW THOSE FUNDS FROM THE PROGRAM, WHICH MAKES IT MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR THEM TO OBTAIN THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE. SO I THINK AS BROKERS, I'M JUST THINKING LOGICALLY, ANY BROKER IN THIS AREA WOULD APPLAUD THIS BECAUSE IT JUST MEANS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HELP MORE PEOPLE. OKAY. SO YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE INFORMATION. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW. CHAIR. THANK YOU. MIKE. WELL, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BERRY.

I'LL TELL YOU, I'VE SAT IN ON A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES AND A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT VERY, VERY SOPHISTICATED TRANSACTIONS, INCLUDING THE BUCKEYE PARKWAY, TIF AND AND THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE PINNACLE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. BUT THIS GROUP. HAS GONE WAY AND ABOVE MOST OF THESE OTHERS, NOT TO BE DEMEANING TO ANYBODY ELSE, BUT THE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WAS SPREAD AROUND THE TABLE IN THE DISCUSSIONS WAS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. AND IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK AS CITY STAFF AND AS US COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EDUCATION DUE TO THE DUE TO THESE PEOPLE STEPPING UP AND AND BEING PART OF THIS PROCESS. AND I CONSIDER THIS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN TWO OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AS OUR TOWN CENTER GRANT PROGRAM. WE STARTED THAT OUT AS A PILOT, AND TODAY IT'S 20 YEARS OLD.

ARE HIGHER EDUCATION PROGRAM. AND NOW MR. BERRY'S COME UP WITH THIS IDEA AND I DON'T I DON'T THINK HE CAN BEAT IT. IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO FROM SPREADING THE WORD AND BEING ABLE TO GET SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE, KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, ENGAGED WITH OUR COMMUNITY. SO HATS OFF TO YOU. YEAH, I FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. AND I, YOU KNOW, MY THE LIST OF MY PRIMARY CONCERNS AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO TO DATE REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS, BECAUSE I THINK THE INTENTION IS AN EXCELLENT ONE. HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE OBVIOUSLY TRAPPING PEOPLE. PEOPLE WHO ARE AT LOW INCOME LEVELS, PARTICULARLY MAKING DECISIONS

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SO THAT'S WHAT I'M CRAVING IS HOW WILL THIS WORK. RIGHT. THIS SO SO WHAT JUMPS OUT TO ME IN THESE FORMS IS, YOU KNOW, ENTER YOUR 2025 INCOME AND THERE'S A BLANK NOTE. IF YOUR 2025 INCOME EXCEEDS THE PROGRAM'S THRESHOLD, BUT YOU BELIEVE YOUR 26 INCOME WILL BE UNDER THE THRESHOLD, YOU MUST PROVIDE DOCUMENTS SUPPORTING YOUR BELIEF. I'M I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT OR IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I GUESS I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT IT IN TERMS OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERSON SUBMITTING IS GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE YOU IN TERMS OF THEIR OFFICIAL RECORDS. THAT'S NOT OUTLINED HERE AS TO WHAT OUR TAX ADMINISTRATOR WILL BE LOOKING AT TO MAKE AN ASSESSMENT AS TO ELIGIBILITY.

SO THAT CONCERNS ME. I ALSO AM CONCERNED THAT AT THE SIGNATURE LINE IT SAYS, I DECLARE UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT TO BEST MY KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF, MY FINANCIAL SITUATION WILL NOT IMPROVE DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR TO THE POINT I WOULD NO LONGER BE ELIGIBLE. THAT'S CONCERNING. THAT'S WHO WOULD WANT TO PUT THEIR SIGNATURE ON SOMETHING. SO THAT JUMPS OUT AT ME. SO THEN THE TAX INFORMATION AUTHORIZATION FOR COUNCIL. AGAIN WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT.

WHAT RECORDS, WHAT LINES. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TAX RETURNS, WHAT LINES ARE WE JUDGING A PERSON'S INCOME FROM. ARE WE ARE WE DOING THIS LOOKING BACKWARD. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THEIR 2025 TAX RETURN AND PERHAPS THEIR 1095 A THE FORM THAT THEY GET FROM THE HEALTHCARE MARKETPLACE? I, I NEED TO KNOW THAT LIKE HOW DOES THE PLAN ITSELF WORK. HOW ARE WE JUDGING THE PERSON'S QUALIFICATION FOR REIMBURSEMENT? AND THEN FINALLY, I KNOW I ADDRESSED THE QUESTION INITIALLY WITH MR. BERRY AS TO THE VERY REAL IMPLICATIONS OF OUR BASICALLY JUMPING INTO A WORLD WHERE OUR CITY TEAM, THOUGH THEY MAY BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS ARE BY THEY'RE NOT EXPERTS, RIGHT? THEY GATHERED EXPERTS TO HELP THEM WITH WORKING, WORKING THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS. AND SO THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A RECIPIENT OF A SAFETY NET PROGRAM SUCH AS THIS, THE CITY GIVING A REIMBURSEMENT FOR HEALTH INSURANCE SERVICES, THAT THEY MAY BE ACCIDENTALLY DISQUALIFYING THEMSELVES FROM ANOTHER PROGRAM. AND SO THE SOLUTION HERE IS A DISCLAIMER WHERE YOU SAY IT'S ALL YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, AND WE WANT YOU TO SIGN HERE SAYING THAT IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, THAT IF YOU'RE YOU BECOME INELIGIBLE FOR SOMETHING, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MEET ANY DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS. AND AGAIN, I LOOK AT THAT WORLD OF IN OUR INTENTION TO DO GOOD, ARE WE POSSIBLY DOING HARM, AND IS IT SUFFICIENT FOR US TO SAY THAT THAT DISCLAIMER IS OUR. OUR SECURITY BLANKET IN DOING SO, I JUST SO AGAIN, WE HAVE FORMS, NO REAL OUTLINE OF THE PLAN ITSELF. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUR FIRST GO THROUGH. AND WE TOUCHED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT IN CAUCUS THAT WE WERE ALL GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE SEE IN THESE FORMS. AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT REQUIRES MORE WORK AND AS WELL A SENSE OF WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE, WHAT OUR PROJECTIONS WOULD BE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO IN TERMS OF DATA, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE AT A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL. I WOULD THINK THAT AT LEAST WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A SENSE, MAYBE FROM RITA, WHO THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION THAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY IMPACT. I JUST WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH SENSE OF THE PATH FORWARD HERE. SO, RICHARD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

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ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AS COMMITTEE WERE TWO THINGS. ONE, THAT THIS PROGRAM NOT CREATE TAXABLE INCOME. SO IT NEEDS TO BE NEEDS BASED UNDER IRS REGULATIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T FUNDING PEOPLE WHO THEN DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE REIMBURSEMENT. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO THE END OF THE YEAR TO CLAIM THE REIMBURSEMENT. THEY CAN START CLAIMING IT IN MAY. SO IF THEY'VE MET THE, YOU KNOW, THE 400 OR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CLAIM THAT REIMBURSEMENT THERE. THE DISCLAIMER THAT'S IN THAT PACKET WAS DONE FROM RESEARCH OF OTHER NONPROFITS THAT OFFER DIFFERENT TYPES OF ASSISTANCE, WHETHER IT'S UTILITY ASSISTANCE, RENT ASSISTANCE. THERE ARE SOME CHARITIES OUT THERE FOR SPECIFIC DISEASES THAT WILL HELP WITH CO-PAYS BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE PREMIUMS. THEY ALL RECOMMENDED A VERY SIMILAR WORDED DISCLAIMER, SORT OF WARNING THE RECIPIENTS THAT THEY NEED TO CHECK WITH OTHER PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE TREATED AS INCOME FOR THE OTHER PROGRAM THAT KICKS HIM OUT OF THAT OTHER PROGRAM. SO THAT IS A REAL CONCERN, AND ONE THAT CAME UP IN COMMITTEE, AND WE DISCUSSED A LOT. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE RITA RECORDS IS THAT MUNICIPAL INCOME TAX IS NOT CALCULATED THE SAME WAY AS FEDERAL INCOME TAX. AND SO THE RITA RECORDS DON'T COLLECT INFORMATION ON VARIOUS SOURCES OF INCOME, WHICH COULD PUT SOMEBODY LITERALLY A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION OVER OUR OUR CAP IN INCOME. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE LOOKING THERE. WE ALSO DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE HOLDING PEOPLE'S FEDERAL TAX RECORDS OUTSIDE OF OUR TAX SYSTEM, WHICH IS VERY, VERY SECURE. SO WE WOULD THEN HAVE A PROBLEM WITH DISCLOSURE. WE WANTED TO KEEP THINGS NOT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC RECORDS WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE THEIR FEDERAL RETURN. HOWEVER, WHEN THEY SIGN UP THROUGH THE ACA, THAT PROGRAM DOES SOME CHECKING ON ITS OWN TO HELP GIVE PEACE OF MIND THAT THE PEOPLE ARE QUALIFIED BECAUSE THE ACA IS CHECKING WITH THE FED RECORDS ON THAT FOR FOR QUALIFICATIONS. SO I FORGET WHAT ELSE YOU HAD QUESTIONS ON, BUT I CAN I KNOW YOU WANT THAT IN WRITING AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK ON THAT. SO YEAH. SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I WILL JUST TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF YOU ENTIRELY BY SAYING THAT IT'S WHAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE IN NARRATIVE FORM. HOW IS THE PROGRAM WORK? AND AND THAT'S BIGGER THAN JUST FORMS THAT NEED YOUR SIGNATURE. YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S ALL I AND AND TRULY, I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING TO YOU ABOUT MORE. THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. BACK TO THE FORMS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STARTING IN MAY. LIKE IF SO, IF THEY COULD GET A $95 IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, THEN MAY. DO THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT? CAN THEY SUBMIT THIS MULTIPLE TIMES FOR EVERY MONTH? BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THERE'S FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE? I HEARD. RIGHT. SO PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THEY'RE GETTING REIMBURSED AND THEN TIME IF THEY WAIT UNTIL MAY EVERY GET ASKED FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT AND THE MONEY MAY NOT BE THERE.

PLAN ON HEALTHCARE.GOV. YOU CAN'T DO A MONTHLY PLAN. OKAY. IT'S A YEARLY. YEAH OKAY. BUT YOU BUT YOU PAY MONTHLY. WELL WE WOULD WE WERE SETTING UP THE PROGRAM TO WHERE WE COULD INITIATE REIMBURSEMENT AS OF MAY. AND THAT'S JUST TO GET PAST TAX SEASON. OKAY. AND WITH THE IDEA THAT THOSE MIDDLE GROUND PEOPLE THAT WE TRIED TO TO CATCH WOULD HAVE THAT FOUR MONTHS, THAT WAS THE ADDED BENEFIT. THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE PAID FOR FOUR MONTHS BECAUSE IT IS BY THE CALENDAR YEAR. AND SO THEN WE COULD REIMBURSE THEM INSTEAD OF

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HOLT. YES. BERRY. YES. DO. YES. BURROWS. NO. ANDERSON. NO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MISS HOUCK,

[Call for New Business]

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COUNCIL. STEVE CHURCH, 2930 ANNABELLE COURT. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE GATHERING WE HAD SATURDAY RIGHT OUTSIDE THIS WINDOW WITH ABOUT 800 OF MY CLOSEST FRIENDS. SO WE HAD INFANTS, WE HAD ELDERLY, WE HAD RETIRED FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE, VETERANS, TEACHERS, YOU NAME IT THERE. IT WAS A REAL GATHERING OF COMMUNITY. AND FOR ONE, I WANT TO START WITH, WHILE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM MAY NOT BE ALIGNED ON THE REASON FOR THAT GATHERING, I HOPE WE'RE ALIGNED ON THE FACT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT WE CAN STILL HAVE THOSE KINDS OF GATHERINGS, AND THIS CITY MADE THAT REALLY EASY, RIGHT? SO OFFICER MOORE HELPED US OUT. IT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. NOW WE HAVE SOME NOTES PROBABLY OF THINGS WE THINK WE COULD DO BETTER. AND JUST DIRECTOR TIFFORD, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL SYNC UP AT SOME POINT.

HAVE A LITTLE POST MORTEM ABOUT THAT. BUT AS A WHOLE IT WAS REALLY GOOD. I THINK THE ONE THING THAT REALLY STUCK OUT IS ORDINANCE 50909 E-1, WHICH IS A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW AMPLIFICATION IN A PUBLIC AREA THAT CAN BE HEARD MORE THAN 25FT AWAY IN A TIME WHEN MOST GATHERINGS ARE 20 OR 50 PEOPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY JUST FINE. BUT THE GATHERING WE HAD COVERED THREE BLOCKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET, SO HAVING PEOPLE NOT BE ABLE TO HEAR OR HAVE DIRECTION IS A SAFETY CONCERN. WHEN WE HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT IN AN AREA LIKE THIS.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE AND SEE IF WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING TO ALLOW AMPLIFICATION WITHIN CERTAIN HOURS AT CERTAIN VOLUMES, WHATEVER. I HAVE SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE I'LL SHARE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE BY PERMIT. WE DON'T WANT A FREE FOR ALL. WE DON'T WANT SOMEBODY DRIVING IN TOWN AND CAUSING TROUBLE. THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE POINT. BUT WHEN WE HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. RIGHT? SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO ASK. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME AND THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY. APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. SURE. ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR LIST. ARE THERE ANYBODY

[Call for Dept. Reports & Closing Comments]

BUT I THINK IT WAS PROVEN THAT, IN FACT, WE DO HAVE LONG RANGE PLANS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THAT THERE ARE REASONS WHY WE WE DO MOST OF OUR THINGS ANYWAY, BUT APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING THERE. ANYBODY WHO'S IN TOWN CENTER ON FRIDAY, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE NUMBER OF MINION SEARCHERS. SATURDAYS WHEN IT WAS OR FRIDAY WAS NOT A SCHOOL DAY. AND I'M TELLING YOU, KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS OR WHOEVER WERE RUNNING, RUNNING UP AND DOWN BROADWAY HERE, AND IT WAS JUST AMAZING WHAT KIND OF TURNOUT WE HAD. AND THAT'S YOUR PROJECT, JACK, IS THAT.

YEAH, GROCERY COMMUNITY IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THOSE THINGS. YES. YEAH. YES. URBAN FORESTRY.

OKAY. THAT'S THE REASON THEY PUT THAT ONE CLEAR UP ON THE REPORT. YEAH. JUST GAVE IT AWAY.

MR. COUNCILMAN WILSON MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. WE WERE VERY UNFORTUNATE TO HAVE A SITUATION INVOLVE THE AN OFFICER SHOOTING, AND WE HAD TWO VICTIMS INVOLVED IN THAT. AND AGAIN, OUR THANKS TO THE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING THERE ON SITE SUPPORTING THE SITUATION. I THINK IN OUR 150 YEAR HISTORY, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVEN VERY FEW TIMES HAVE WE HAD

[02:30:07]

ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT, THAT BRINGS US TO CLOSING COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL. I WILL SAY BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE DISCUSSED IN CAUCUS THE NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION RELATED TO APPOINTMENT EMPLOYMENT OF A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MR. DO WITH US THIS EVENING. AND WE DO NEED TO DO THIS IN SHORT ORDER. DOES COUNCIL WANT TO MOVE ON TO THAT WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'VE CONCLUDED. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE WILL I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU DO CLOSING COMMENTS. WE MAY COME BACK OUT AND TAKE A SINGLE ACTION, BUT WE MAY NOT. BUT WE WE WILL GO INTO I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AFTER EVERY MEMBER IS CLOSING. COMMENTS. MR. DO I HAVE NOTHING? MR. BERRY I HAVE, MR. HOLT.

THANK YOU, BUT ALL GOOD. OKAY, MR. BURROUGHS, I'M GOOD AS WELL. THANK YOU, MISS ANDERSON. I'M JUST READY TO GET INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, AREN'T WE? THIS TIME? I DO HAVE JUST SOMETHING SMALL. AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. WHO DID THE DOES, THE MINION HUNT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WHETHER IT'S PROGRAMING THAT KIDS CAN BE A PART OF FOR LONG TERM, OR JUST SOMETHING FUN AND FREE FOR FAMILIES TO COME OUT AND AND LOOK AROUND, YOU KNOW, BUT AS A PARENT WHO ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND I STILL HAVE NOT FOUND TWO, I THINK ONE IS HIGH UP. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING. SO, MAYOR, YOU KIND OF GAVE A LITTLE HINT THERE. YOU KNOW, IT JUST CONTINUES TO REMIND ME ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE ABOUT OUR TOWN CENTER AREA AND ABOUT BROADWAY AND THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF CALMING TRAFFIC AND WHETHER IT IS SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FUTURE ISLAND OR HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT A WAY AS A CITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO MAKE OUR TOWN CENTER THAT GREAT SAFE PLACE WHERE FAMILIES WANT TO BE, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND WALK AROUND? THERE WAS A THERE IS A MINION THAT IS CLOSE TO THE STREET, AND IF YOU'RE THERE WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT OBSERVING THAT 25 MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT THAT I THINK HAPPENS A LOT, IT IS IT IS ALARMING. SO THAT IS JUST SOMETHING I WANT US TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT, BECAUSE WHEN WE GIVE OUR CLOSING COMMENTS OR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THINGS, WE ARE CERTAINLY TALKING ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE DOWNTOWN. AND I JUST I'M AS A CHAIR OF SAFETY ALSO, IT IS SOMETHING THAT DIRECTOR TIFFORD AND I TALK ABOUT A LOT IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE WALKING ALONG BROADWAY, WHO ARE ATTENDING OUR ARTS IN THE ALLEY AND WHO ARE ATTENDING OUR EVENTS, ARE ARE SAFE? WE KNOW THAT THERE IS THERE ARE

[02:35:01]

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE CALLS WHERE YOU JUST IMMEDIATELY THINK OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY MUST HAVE AS PART OF THEIR EVERYDAY GOODBYES. AS PEOPLE GO OUT THE DOOR THAT WORRY. AND I THANK THEM FOR MAKING THAT SACRIFICE TO KEEP ALL OF US SAFE. AND AND WE ARE ALL HOLDING THEM IN OUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AS THEY TRAVEL THESE DIFFICULT DAYS. I DO WANT TO SAY OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE OUR FINANCE MEETING, WHICH WILL BE AT 6 P.M. ON OCTOBER 27TH. THAT'S NEXT MONDAY EVENING. NEXT REGULAR

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YES. YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE MOTION? ARE YOU MAKING THE MOTION? TO APPOINT OR SESSION? YES. SECOND. FIRST WE GOT TO COME OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. DID I GET A SECOND TO COME OUT SECOND. HOLT. MR. HOLT? YES, YES. DO. YES.

YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT SHANE YOUNG AS THE DEPUTY CLERK OF COUNCIL AT A STARTING SALARY OF $60,000. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? GARY? YES. YES. BURROWS. YES. ANDERSON. YES. WILSON. YES. YES. HOLT. YES, I WAS DRUNK. I WAS HALFWAY OUT THE DOOR WHEN YOU WERE. WHEN YOU WERE DELAYING. I JUST DID THAT FOR DRAMA. THAT WAS GOOD. WE DON'T GET PAID PER HOUR HERE. YOU DO THOUGH. YEAH, I KNOW THAT. ARE WE GOOD? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND,

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