Nov 24, 2025 Board of Zoning Appeals

[1) Call to order and roll call.]

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TO CALL THE GROVE CITY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS TO ORDER AND START WITH MISS SCOTT CALLING ROLL. MR. BRANDT HERE, KALINGA HERE. MR. HORNE HERE. GREG. AND I'D LIKE TO STAND AND HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GREAT. IS YOUR MIC ON THERE, JOHN? OH, YEAH. PUSH YOUR BUTTON. OKAY, OKAY.

[3) Approve the minutes from the October 27 meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals.]

NOT UNLESS THERE'S SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR CERTAIN THINGS. OKAY. SO LET'S ASSUME YOU ARE ALSO GETTING SWORN IN. OKAY. IT'S FREE. IT'S FREE. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT, AND THAT YOU'RE TESTIFYING OF YOUR

[4) Hear the appeal of Kenneth Flaute representing American Legion Paschall Post 164, 3363 McDowell Rd., Parcel #040-0-005964, for the following variances.]

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UNDERSTAND. AND MY YOU KNOW, MY I TRY TO BE A, I GUESS A WHETHER IT'S A CONSENSUS BUILDER OR COME UP WITH SOME WAY OF ACCOMPLISHING WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. BUT I NEED TO STAY WITHIN THE STAY WITHIN THE RULES. SO I DRIVE BY THAT PROPERTY A LOT. OKAY, I LIVE DOWN AT THE PINNACLE, BUT I COME UP THE BACK WAY TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC AND THE SIGN THAT YOU HAVE UPRIGHT. DOWSON. PRETTY POOR REPAIR. YES. SO YOU KNOW SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT SHOULD BE THERE. BUT WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN OUR. OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GO ON AND ON. I GUESS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THE SIGN WAS EITHER PURCHASED OR DONATED OR SOMEHOW YOU GOT THAT BEFORE YOU GOT ANY APPROVAL ON IS IT A NEW SIGN OR AN OLD OR BRAND NEW SIGN? AND IT WAS DONATED A A DONOR SAID, I WILL BUY THIS SIGN FOR YOU, BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. OKAY? SO AND WITH THE EXPENSE OF THAT OF OF COURSE. YES. WHAT DO YOU DO. YEAH. IT'S IS THERE A LOCAL COMPANY THAT THAT WAS PURCHASED I KNOW THE, THE COMPANY'S IS OUT OF FLORIDA, THE MAIN OFFICE. SO IT CAME OUT OF BELIEVE CAROLINA, NORTH CAROLINA, EITHER NORTH OR SOUTH CAROLINA. OKAY. THE I'D HAVE TO DIG UP THE PAPERWORK ON IT, BUT IT WAS A OUT OF STATE SIGN COMPANY THAT YOU GUYS, WHOEVER DONATED WAS PROBABLY DONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THEY GET A TAX TAX ADVANTAGE ON THE THING. I'M SURE WE HAD TO BUY IT LAST YEAR. WE BOUGHT IT THIS TIME LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR. YEAH. OKAY.

WE'VE HAD WE BOUGHT IT LAST TIME. IT WAS BOUGHT LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME. AND WE TOOK

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YEAH, AND IF THAT'S NOT AN OPTION, WE COULD TRY SOMETHING ELSE. BUT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT.

AS LONG AS I CAN STRETCH THIS, I'M FINE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU COULD SIT. YEAH, YEAH. OR YOU COULD EVEN. THIS WHOLE THING CAME ABOUT. WE KNEW WE NEEDED A NEW SIGN BECAUSE THE ONE WE'VE GOT IS ONE. WE HAVE TO PUT THE LETTERS IN IT. THE LETTERS DON'T STAY. SIGN IS OLD IT WE WE TRIED PAINTING IT. AND PAINTING IS JUST NOT AN OPTION BECAUSE IT WON'T STICK, RIGHT? SO WE WE WENT LOOKING AND SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BUY A SIGN. YEAH.

SO WE'LL HELP COVER THE COST. SO AND THEY SAID, WELL TRY LOOKING AT THIS. SO WE DID AND WE WANTED SOMETHING WHERE WE COULD MAKE OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE POST, LIKE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR VETERANS EVENTS THAT WE WERE HAVING, LIKE CONGRESSMAN KERRY COMES INTO THE POST, HE DOES WELLNESS THINGS FOR VETERANS. WE HAD A 144, HAD ONE, THAT VA THING WE WENT TO DOWN THERE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROUND TABLE MEETING WITH THE YES, YES, VETERANS SERVICE COMMISSION? YEAH. AND CONGRESSMAN KERRY COMES INTO THE POST QUITE A BIT, ALMOST AS MUCH AS MAYOR STAGE DOES. OKAY. SO WE NEEDED A WAY OF ANNOUNCING THESE THINGS. PUTTING IT OUT IN THE NEWSPAPER DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK. OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE A NEWSPAPER. AND BUYING SPACE IN A MAGAZINE LIKE DISCOVER GROVE CITY. THAT'S NOT. WELL, I YEAH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'VE SAID THERE AS FAR AS MAKING THE ANNOUNCEMENTS THERE, BECAUSE WE DO THAT AT AT CHURCH ALL THE TIME. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK OR COMMENT OR. WELL, I FIRST OF ALL I NEED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I AM A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION, THOUGH NOT A MEMBER OF THIS POST, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE RECORD SIMPLY BECAUSE IF IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND SOMEONE WRITES A CHECK, THE MAIN QUESTION I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS FOR LAURA. DID WE HAVE ANY OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS FILE ANYTHING WITH US ABOUT THE SIGNS? WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THE LETTERS. OKAY. AND DID WE CONTACT THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS? YES WE DID. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOW THE THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR ALL THREE OF YOU IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE WERE SENT LAST WEEK. THERE ARE EIGHT OPTIONS LISTED. HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE OPTIONS? AND IF YOU HAVE, WOULD YOU BE FAVORABLE TO HAVE ANY ONE OF THOSE ADOPTED AS TO HOW YOU CAN USE THE SIGN THAT WOULD PERMIT THE USE OF YOUR SIGN? AS I UNDERSTAND THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD HAD ACQUIESCED TO ALL OF THOSE WE WILL NOT BE DOING. OH, I DIDN'T THINK WE WE AGREE THAT WE WILL NOT BE DOING ANY ANY FLASHING. WE OUR SIGN WILL BE THAT YES, THE THE THING WILL WILL HAVE MESSAGES ON IT. THOSE MESSAGES WILL BE CONTAINED TO JUST COMING UP AND THEY WILL REMAIN THERE. YEAH. MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH IS THAT NO ROLLING ONLY HAD TO AGREE. YEAH.

YOU COULD AGREE TO ONE OR MAYBE SEVERAL OF THEM, BUT I, I DID NOT GET THE IMPRESSION FROM THE WAY THE STAFF REPORT IS WRITTEN THAT THEY HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL EIGHT OPTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN BY JUST PROVIDING OTHER OPTIONS FOR ADVERTISING, AND THOSE ARE JUST SO THEY COULD USE AND THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM OF THE

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THE AND THE BANNERS. NO WE DON'T WE DON'T DO THAT. TEMPORARY SIGNS WE DON'T DO. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS ARE IN THEIR LATE 70S, EARLY 80S. RIGHT. OKAY. I KNOW THAT MY PARENTS ARE SOME OF THOSE. THEY'RE 76 AND 74. THEY DON'T. DO. MY PARENTS HAVE FACEBOOK? OF COURSE THEY DO. THEY DON'T USE IT. AND IF THEY DO USE IT, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO GO IN AND GO. PASCAL, POST 164. WE HAVE TONS OF OUR OLDER MEMBERS THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THEM UNLESS WE DO WELLNESS CHECKS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THAT. OH LOOK, WE'RE HAVING THIS IS GOING ON. OH THERE'S A BLOOD DRIVE I KNOW WE HAVE A BLOOD DRIVE COMING UP. OKAY. I KNOW EVEN IF WE PUT IT OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR PUT IT OUT THERE ON THE WEBSITE, A LOT OF OUR MEMBERS, BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE AND A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF OUR SIGN, THE WAY IT IS NOW, THEY JUST DRIVE BY IT. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE JUST HAD AN EVENT RECENTLY AND THEY WERE LIKE, AND I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE I KNOW THAT ARE MY AGE. THAT DRIVE BY THERE WENT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS AN AMERICAN LEGION THERE. OKAY, SO I DON'T WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING BIG, BRIGHT AND FLASHY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. BUT WE DO NEED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE, DON'T HATE ME FOR THIS. WE HAVE AN OLDER COMMANDER WHO'S IN CHARGE OF PUTTING THAT STUFF OUT THERE. HE DOESN'T NEED TO BE WALKING OUT THERE. RIGHT. OKAY. HONESTLY. AND CLIMBING A LADDER AND PUTTING THE LETTERS UP THERE, THAT'S JUST AN HONEST ANSWER, YOU KNOW? LIKE IT OR NOT, BE MAD AT ME. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THE GUYS THAT ARE MY AGE THAT ARE WILLING AND ABLE, WE JUST DON'T. A LOT OF US DON'T HAVE TIME, YOU KNOW. AND AND THAT'S NOT NO FAULT ON THE BOARD, YOU GUYS. BUT IT'S TODAY'S WORLD. YOU KNOW, IF IF WE KEEP A SIGN THE WAY THAT WE HAVE NOW, WE CAN'T HELP THE COMMUNITY, LIKE DOING BLOOD DRIVES AND DOING THE THINGS THAT WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND HELP BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. AND WHILE THIS BLOOD DRIVE COMING UP ON THE SECOND IS ONE THAT WE'RE SPONSORING THIS YEAR, WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS AT LEAST TWO BLOOD DRIVES THAT WE PROVIDED THE THE FACILITIES FOR THAT WERE FOR OTHER CHURCHES OR WHATEVER. SO IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION, HOW MUCH TO THE SIDE? I PULLED A NUMBER OUT OF THE YEAR 23,022. IT WAS.

THE COST OF THE SIGN ALONE WAS 22,500 AND SOME DOLLARS, AND THE COST OF THE INSTALLATION IS IS NOW GOING UP BECAUSE OF THE OTHER ISSUES. WE HAVE TO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE THE SIGN BACK. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE LANDSCAPING FOR THAT. SO THE COST OF WHAT WE PAID FOR INITIALLY WAS A LITTLE OVER $4,500 FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE SIGN, AND THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO GO UP ANOTHER 15, $1,600 TO TO MOVE IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. LUCKILY, WHERE WE HAVE TO MOVE IT TO, WE'RE STILL WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE THE ELECTRONICS, BECAUSE THE ELECTRIC IS STILL THERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DRIVING BY AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, DRIVING BY I THINK THAT SIGN IS TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD BECAUSE YOUR FACILITY SETS BACK SO FAR. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY I ALWAYS LOOK FOR THESE OUT OF THE WAY POSSIBLE? IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU COULD CONTACT THE SIGN COMPANY AND GET A SIGN THAT'S CONFORMING TO OUR CODE, AND GET A CREDIT FOR THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE? NO, WE ALREADY TRIED THAT. AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE SALES ARE FINAL BECAUSE THE SIGN, THE WAY IT IS SPECIFICALLY MADE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS ALMOST WHAT IT IS, BUT IT'S NOT.

IT. THE TOP PORTION OF IT WHERE IT SAYS AMERICAN LEGION. RIGHT. AND WITH THE SAL AND THE AUXILIARY THAT ALL OF THAT IS CORRECT. THE THE PANEL THAT LIGHTS UP IS ACTUALLY ABOUT HALF THAT SIZE. SO THE PANEL THAT LIGHTS UP IS MORE ALONG THE SIZE OF WHAT OUR CURRENT SIGN IS AS FAR AS HEIGHT AND THINGS. IT'S NOT AS LONG. AND AND WE ARE WE ARE REDUCING THE

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RIGHT. SO IT'S WE JUST CAN'T RENEW THE WE CAN'T SEND IT BACK AND GET A NEW ONE MADE OR WE HAVE ALREADY. YEAH, I'D ALREADY DONE THAT. SO GEORGE, IF I COULD OPTION ONE ACTUALLY GIVES TWO EXAMPLES OF NON-CONFORMING SIGNS WITHIN GROVE CITY. ONE IS AT MONTEREY SCHOOL AND THE OTHER IS AT THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. AND APPARENTLY I'VE BEEN BY THERE, AND I THINK THEY PUT UP CHANGING SIGNS. ELECTRONICS. NO, THOSE ARE MANUALLY DONE. ARE THERE MANUALLY. YEAH. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW AND I'M, I'M 78 BUT OKAY. WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS I THINK HE'S OLDER THAN I AM THAT DO THEM. BUT THEY THEY GO PRETTY EASILY. THIS THIS IS THE SIGN RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH. THAT'S OUR SIGN. SO THAT YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CHANGED IT.

THE PLASTIC AT THE TOP IS, IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR POST. BUT THE BOTTOM BOTTOM PART, RATHER THAN BEING ELECTRONIC IS WE CHANGE THAT EVERY WEEK OR SO. AND THEN LIKE IF WE HAVE A CAR SHOW WE PUT A BANNER UP OR IF WE HAVE A BLOOD DRIVE, WE PUT A BANNER UP IN ADDITION TO THIS. BUT THIS IS THIS IS A LESS THAN LESS THAN TEN YEARS OLD. YEAH. WELL, WHAT I WONDER IS WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED THAT PROHIBITED THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS. WELL, I WAS WONDERING IF WE PUT SOME TYPE OF CONDITION ON IT THAT THEY COULD USE THE ELECTRONIC SIGN, BUT THAT THEY HAD TO DO THE POSTING, LIKE AT MIDNIGHT OR BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6 A.M.

WHENEVER A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE DISTRACTED. I GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THE REASON THIS WAS PROHIBITED BY COUNCIL WHEN IT WAS, WAS THEY WERE AFRAID THAT AN ELECTRONIC SIGN CHANGING FREQUENTLY WOULD DISTRACT DRIVERS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S INCORRECT, BUT THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I HAVE RECEIVED. SO YES, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. IT WOULD DISTRACT DRIVERS DRIVING BY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT HOW OFTEN DOES IT CHANGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT DISPLAY THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN AS FAR AS HOURS AND RESTRICTING HOURS AT THE SCHOOLS, WE DID RESTRICT THE HOURS. BUT YOU'LL SEE AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THEY DO NOT. I WISH THEY DID BECAUSE THAT SIGNS, YOU KNOW ON ALL NIGHT. AND IT HAS SOME OF THE FIRE STATIONS HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS ON ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE ON THERE. YEAH. THE IMPACT WHERE THIS SITS RESIDENTIAL IS NOT A CONCERN AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE IT'S ACROSS FROM THE VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA THRIFT STORE. RIGHT. IF ANYTHING, IT'LL HELP LIGHT UP WHERE WE. RIGHT. WE RECENTLY JUST HAD HOMELESS A HOMELESS CAMP STAYING AT OUR POST BACK BY THE TOWER. YEAH. SO IF ANYTHING, IT'LL HELP LIGHT IT UP TO DISTRACT FROM THAT. BUT WHAT I WAS WONDERING, THOUGH, IS IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF CONDITION ON IT THAT WOULD RESTRICT THE SIGN BEING CHANGED THROUGH, SAY, FROM 8 TO 10, 8 A.M. TO 10 P.M. OR EVEN 8 A.M.

TO MIDNIGHT, AND THEN HAVING THE ONLY TIME IT COULD BE ELECTRONICALLY CHANGED IS BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6 A.M. NOW WE'VE PUT IN NOT NOT FOR SOMETHING ELECTRONICALLY, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE APPROVED THE LIGHTS ON THE TOP OF MOUNT CARMEL HOSPITAL, WE HAD A GUY ACROSS THE INTERSTATE THAT CAME IN AND COMPLAINED THAT IT WAS GOING TO DISTURB HIM. I DON'T KNOW, DAVID MOUNT CARMEL AGREED. SOMETIMES THEY WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING FROM ROUGHLY. THEY TURN OFF THE SIGN, I THINK, AT 10 P.M. AT NIGHT AND LEAVE IT OFF TO 6 A.M. IN THE MORNING. NOW, IN THIS CASE, IT'S NOT GOING TO DISTRACT PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES CLOSE TO THAT. THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS ON DOWN. MCDOWELL.

ACTUALLY, NO, THAT'S. YEAH, AND IT'S A PRETTY FAR DISTANCE DOWN. YEAH, YEAH IT IS, I THOUGHT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN I THOUGHT THAT HOUSE HAD BEEN LEVELED. NO NO NO NO NO.

THEY, THEY HAD TURNED IT INTO A DOG ACADEMY. AND NOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE BOUGHT IT AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY REFURBISHED IT AND THEY'VE ADDED ROOMS AND STUFF. THE REASON I KNOW THIS, I DRIVE BY IT ALMOST EVERY DAY TAKING MY SONS TO COURT. I DRIVE THEM TO COURT AND THAT'S THEIR PREFERRED WAY TO GO SO THEY CAN SMOKE. NO IT'S TRUE. YEAH. AND WE AND WE DRIVE BY

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LAURA. POSSIBLY. OH, SOMETHING AROUND THERE. 90 ACTION 20 YEARS AGO, ACCORDING TO I THINK IT WAS. YEAH. I HEARD EARLY 2000 OR SOMETHING. CORRECT. SO GEORGE, I GOT, I JUST WONDERED IF WE COULD TRY TO COME UP WITH SEE IS THE SIGN THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR CHURCH, IS THAT IS THAT SIGN LIT? YES. YEAH. IT'S LIT. I SO SEE THIS IS LET ME SHOW YOU. THIS IS A BETTER PICTURE HERE. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT OURS LOOKS LIKE. BUT THEY CHANGED THE LETTERS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOURS COULD BE MODIFIED BECAUSE IT LOOKS IDENTICAL EXCEPT FOR THIS BEING ELECTRONIC AND THAT BEING SO THE WAY OURS IS SET UP, IT'S THE PLASTIC IS A NOTE. ALL IS ONE PIECE. OKAY, OKAY. SO IT'S ALL BROUGHT TOGETHER. OTHERWISE. YES. THE ANSWER IS YES. YOU COULD JUST USE THE TOP AND THEN MAKE THE BOTTOM A PLACARD TYPE SETUP. BUT THE WAY THAT THEY MADE OUR SIGN, IT'S ALL ONE PIECE. IT FLOWS TOGETHER. AND THESE. AND IT'S PICTURES. YEAH I YEAH I. REALLY YOU COULDN'T YOU CAN PUT A PIXEL WISE GRAPHIC UP. THAT ISN'T WHAT WE'RE SO BUT THE BUT THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SIGN IS PIXELS. THE UPPER PART IS PLEXIGLASS. PLEXIGLASS OKAY.

IT'S ALMOST SORT OF LIKE AN OLD SCHOOL PROJECTION TV. YEAH, I KNOW HOW THOSE WORK, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF. YEAH, LET ME ASK THE LAURA, SINCE SHE'S IN CHARGE OF ZONING, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO DO WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED AS A POSSIBILITY? HAVING A TIME LIMIT AT NIGHT, WHENEVER THAT IS NOT TRAVELED THAT MUCH BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 6 A.M. OR MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M. THAT THEY COULD POST, MAKE THE CHANGES. ONCE IT'S CHANGED, IT STAYS THAT WAY FOR THE COURSE OF THE DAY. THEN THE NEXT DAY, WOULD YOU COULD YOU AGREE TO THAT? AND DOES THE CITY THINK THAT THAT IS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE? I DO, YOU DO. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN KIND OF LISTENING AND THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME WE DIDN'T ALLOW ANY WE ALLOWED THE SCHOOLS TO HAVE SOME. AND THEN WE HAD THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS CAME IN WITH THEIRS. HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THOSE? NOT REALLY. NO. LIKE I SAY, THE ONLY THING THAT I NOTICED BECAUSE I LIVED BY A FIREHOUSE AND THAT THING'S ON AND IT REFLECTS NOT JUST IN MY HOUSE, BUT ALSO OFF MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET'S WINDOW, THAT THEN THEN YOU KNOW IT. IT'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN IT'S PROBABLY NOT NEEDED. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE NOW. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. SO DO I SEE THESE THINGS CAUSING A BIG PROBLEM? NO. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THIS SIGN WOULD BE OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF IF THERE'S A STIPULATION ON THERE THAT WOULD SAY IF THE AMERICAN LEGION VACATES THE PROPERTY, THE SIGN WOULD BE REMOVED. NO OTHER BUSINESSES ORGANIZATION CAN USE THE SIGN. AND I SAY THAT KIND OF LIKE, LET'S SAY YOU MOVED HALF OUT OF YOUR BUILDING AND SOMEBODY MOVED IN THE OTHER HALF. YOU RENTED IT OUT TO A BUSINESS. THAT BUSINESS THEN COULDN'T USE THAT SIGN. NOW, IF IT'S A TURKEY WADDLE, THE GROVE CITY BAND BAZAAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S COMMUNITY ORIENTED. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.

NO SCROLLING. AND WHEN I SAY NO SCROLLING, MEANING IT JUST COULDN'T HAVE THE FIREWORKS GOING OFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, A STAGNANT SIGN THAT CHANGES EVERY 10S OR FIVE SECONDS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS ONE THING. BUT TO HAVE CARS AND A BUNCH OF MOVEMENT IS

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AND THAT GIVES ME THE IMPRESSION THAT THE POST IS OLD, DECREPIT. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON FOR CHANGE WE NEED. WE'RE TRYING TO GET NEW MEMBERS FROM THE NEW ARMY, RIGHT? THE YOUNGER VETERANS IN TO CARRY ON THE LEGACY THAT WE'VE BUILT. WE'RE NOT ATTRACTING THEM WITH THE SIGN THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. THEY'RE IN THE 21ST CENTURY. WE'RE STILL IN THE 19TH. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BOZEMAN. THE SIGN THAT'S AT THE FIREHOUSE ON BUCKEYE PARKWAY. IS IT ABOUT THE SAME SIGN AS THE SIZE? IS THIS ACTUALLY IT'S LARGER. THE DISPLAY AREA IS LARGER THAN WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. SO OF THE LED. SIGNS LARGER, RIGHT. YEAH. BUT THEY DON'T DO AND THEY USE THE PIXELS LIKE THE SIGN. WOULD THEY USE THE PIXELS. YES. AND THEY ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW BE CAREFUL. IT'S A HOLIDAY WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, BUT THERE'S NO FLASHING. SOMETIMES IT DOES, SOMETIMES IT DOES. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE FIREWORKS THING DID THE SOMETIMES THE LETTERS WILL DROP FROM THE TOP AND KIND OF BUILD. RIGHT. LIKE YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S RAIN COMING DOWN OR SNOW. I HAVE A LEGAL QUESTION TOO. IF WE THE OTHER THING THAT I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE SAY OKAY WITH MODIFICATIONS ON THIS. AND THEN A, YOU KNOW, A MARIJUANA PLACE WANTS TO GO IN WITH DANCING GIRLS AND PUTS A SIGN UP AND THEY SAY, WELL, YOU LET THE VFW DO IT. WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? ARE WE OPENING UP PANDORA'S BOX HERE? BUT WE COULD LIMIT THIS WHERE IT ONLY APPLIES TO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MARIJUANA PLACE IS A BUSINESS, RIGHT? AND YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, WHICH TO SOME DEGREE IS ALREADY BEEN DONE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE MONTEREY SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE YOUR CHURCH, WHICH ARE BOTH NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. LAURA, WE DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY STUFF AS WELL, MR. CHAIR, I KNOW, BUT YOU'RE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION. NONPROFIT? YES. OKAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT MONTEREY, THE SCHOOLS, THOSE HAVE CHANGEABLE COPY TYPE MANUAL. THEY'RE NOT ELECTRONIC, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE SORT OF LOCKED IN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SIGN WAS DONATED TO THEM. THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH CHOICE. THEY EITHER WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT, OR THEY'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THAT SIGN AND GET ANOTHER SIGN. AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE ACCOMMODATION IS BY LIMITED HOW WHEN THEY CHANGE IT BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M. WHEN THAT STREET IS NOT USED VERY MUCH DURING THOSE HOURS, AND THAT'S FAR ENOUGH. BACK OFF A STRING TOWN THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC ON STRINGTOWN. OKAY, MR. BRANDT, MAY I MAY ANSWER THE CHAIR'S QUESTION. YES. YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. THE QUESTION WAS ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU SET A DECISION HERE, IS IT PRECEDENT SETTING THAT WOULD BE RELIED ON IN THE FUTURE? THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, BECAUSE EVERY EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD NEEDS TO BE ADJUDICATED ON ITS OWN MERITS. OKAY. HOWEVER, AS THIS DISCUSSION HAS SHOWN, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COMPARABLE DECISION AND SAY THAT IT'S AT LEAST PERSUASIVE.

OR HERE ARE REASONS WHY THESE BUSINESSES OR THESE NON-PROFITS SHOULD BE TREATED SIMILARLY OR DIFFERENTLY. SO EVERYTHING IS CASE BY CASE, BUT THERE ARE SOME CONSISTENCIES THAT THE BOARD SHOULD ATTEMPT TO TO, TO MAINTAIN. NOW THE QUESTION THOUGH IS IS THERE CHANGING THE

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IT DOES IT WAY AHEAD OF TIME. YEAH. IT'S IT'S REALLY SMART. AND YOU CAN YOU CAN SET UP SO THAT AN ADMIN HAS CONTROL AND THEY DON'T NEED TO BE SITTING THERE. IT DOES HAVE A CELLULAR UPLINK OKAY. SO IT IS WITH THE 21ST CENTURY. NOW A GUY LIKE ME I'M SURE EVENTUALLY YES I CAN FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I'M OF A GENERATION THAT DOES DO SOME TECHIE STUFF. IT'S JUST. BUT HE IS AN IT GUY. THIS GUY HERE PROBABLY CAN TOO. OKAY, BUT I WORK WITH THESE MY WHOLE LIFE, SO IT'S IT'S NOT LOST ON ME, BUT I'M NOT THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. THE ONLY REASON I EVEN PROPOSED THIS IS I THINK WE GOT TO TRY AND FIND SOME REASONABLE TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION TO HELP THEM. AND IT GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY WILL NOT IMPACT IN THE WAY THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT CHANGES DURING THE DAYTIME, THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED TO HAVE IT DONE BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 5 A.M. AND MAYBE YOU CAN EVEN PROGRAM IT SO IT WOULD ONLY MAKE THE CHANGES I WAS SAYING. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST SAYING. AND IT COULD BE DONE AT ONE, ONE TIME A DAY. IT COULD BE DONE AT 1 A.M. AS TO ME, IF I'M DRIVING BY A SIGN, IT COULD BE RIGHT. IF THAT GUY'S NOT FLASHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE GOING, HEY, HERE I AM. IF IT'S STAYS THE SAME AND IT CHANGES THE MESSAGE I'M GOING TO KEEP, I'M NOT. IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE SIGN, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO. DID YOU SEE THAT? ONE OF THE SIGNS OF THE JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIREHOUSES, AND IT MAY BE THE ONE ON BUCKEYE PARKWAY, IS THAT WAY. WHEN THAT GUY FLASHES, BY GOD, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T CARE WHAT TIME OF DAY IT IS THE ONE ON HAN ROAD OR ON HOOVER. IT'S MELATONIN ALL DAY LONG, RIGHT? IT'S THE SAME, YOU KNOW, AND TO ME, IF IT WAS LIKE THAT, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE DISTRACTING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. AND THE ONE HERE IN GROVE CITY ROAD, IT DOES CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE DAY. BUT IT'S NOT. WELL, SOME OF THOSE MAY NOT BE WITHIN GROVE CITY.

THAT'S THE OTHER THING. THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP, FOR EXAMPLE, HOOVER, THE THE SIGN UP THERE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT IN GROVE CITY, I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT IT IS. ALL THE FIRE STATIONS ARE IN GROVE CITY. OKAY. OH, REALLY? YEAH. I THOUGHT THEY WERE IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP. I'VE GOT A I'VE. MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE NEXT COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT THE JOB TONIGHT IS NOT TO NECESSARILY MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION AT ALL COSTS. IT'S TO APPLY THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE CODE ALLOWS FOR THAT ACCOMMODATION THROUGH CONDITIONS OR OTHER APPROACHES, THEN THAT WOULD BE SATISFYING THE CODE CRITERIA. BUT AGAIN, YOUR JOB IS TO APPLY THE CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN. YEAH I AGREE OKAY OKAY I NEED TO ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU'RE PUTTING THE SIGN ON THE. IT WOULD GO ON THE. IS THERE A REASON WHY THE SIGN GOES ON A POLE RATHER THAN A MONUMENT KIND OF A THING? WELL, IT WAS DESIGNED TO GO ON A POLE. IT WAS DESIGNED TO GO ON THE POLE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS. OKAY.

BUT HE'S ASKING, CAN WE LOOK? WE ARE GOING TO LOWER IT. YES. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO LOWER IT.

YES. LOWER IT MORE IF NEED BE. IF THEY IF THAT WAS AND IF I MEAN WE COULD WE'RE TALKING MORE MONEY FOR US NOW. AND THAT MEANS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIG FOR MONEY TO, TO DO FURTHER WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BUDGETED FOR. NO, I KNOW IT'S LOWER ON THE POLE, BUT I OKAY, THE THE OTHER THING WAS THAT YOU MENTIONED LANDSCAPING AROUND THERE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. YEAH, WE PLANNED ON WE PLANNED ON LANDSCAPING. YES. OKAY. THE TWO FOOT ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WE. UNDERSTAND THAT OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET DONATIONS FOR.

THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE GOT PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THE FLOWER BED AROUND IT.

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WAS THAT IN YOUR PACKET? YES. YEAH. FOR SOME REASON I MISSED THAT. THAT'S THAT'S NOT A OKAY.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE TOO. BUT BASICALLY NO I DIDN'T I SEEN WHAT WHAT'S UP THERE NOW. SO THAT. YEAH. SO I DIDN'T BRING IT BUT I'D BE WILLING TO COMPROMISE. BUT I DON'T KNOW.

YOU COULD HAVE THE TEN BOXWOODS AROUND IT AND THE AREA TECHNOLOGY IT. SO YOU KNOW OUR SIGN IS HERE. SO WHAT I CAME UP WITH IS BASICALLY MAKING IT LIKE AN YEAH. SEE, NO ONE CAN SEE THAT GUYS. YEAH. AND THEN A BOXWOOD A BOXWOOD. YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT SOMETHING. YEAH, YEAH I HAVE A DRAWING ALREADY DONE. IT JUST DIDN'T GET MIXED IN. OKAY. BUT AND THEN WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT RED WHITE AND BLUE. AND THAT THAT WAY IT REPRESENTS US. AND IT ALSO CONFORMS TO WHAT YOU WANT. AND IT'S IS IT. THAT'S WHERE THE THREE-FOOT ENCROACHMENT, RIGHT.

IT'S NOT GOING TO ENCROACH NECESSARILY ON THE RIGHT WAY. BUT WE'RE THERE IT IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION TO, TO LAURA OR COUNSEL, IS IT POSSIBLE TO. TABLE THIS. JUST TO SEE IF WE COULD. BECAUSE BASED ON THE FACTS, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, THEY DON'T NEED IT. THEY DON'T MEET THE CITY CODE. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO POSTPONE THIS OR TABLE THIS TO WHERE WE COULD. COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A COMPROMISE. GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS THEY SAY. YES. AND YOU'VE HAD TO SIGN A YEAR, RIGHT? ALREADY? YEAH. SO BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, THEY DON'T NEED IT. YEAH. I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING IF THE APPLICANT COULD REQUEST TO TABLE THIS AND PUSH IT BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING. IN THE MEANTIME, WORK WITH STAFF TO PREPARE SOME ALTERATIONS. EXACTLY. YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT IT SHOULD BE AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. OKAY, OKAY. AND IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO VOTE ON THROUGH A MOTION. OKAY. YEAH. THE OTHER THING, COULD WE PUT IT SOME TYPE OF CONDITION IN THAT, THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT AND OUR BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS REACH SOME TYPE OF DECISION WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. AND WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.

MIKE INDICATED HE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST NOT TO TABLE THIS. SO I SUGGEST THAT WE IF WE GET A REQUEST FROM THEM THAT WE POSTPONE IT FOR 1 OR 2 WEEKS AND THEN COME BACK WITH A SPECIAL SESSION. I DON'T KNOW THAT MIKE DID THAT, BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY, I MY SORT OF DOING THIS AND NOT IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER KIND OF. YEAH. BUT I, I WOULD THINK THAT. I WOULD I CAN'T PROPOSE THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO THAT WE DELAY A VOTE ON THIS TILL THE NEXT FORMAL MEETING AND THAT WE COME UP WITH A SOMEWHAT OF A COMPROMISE TO WHAT THE WHAT THE INITIAL INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS ENCOMPASSING THE TIME OF DAY THAT IT'S USED AND HOW IT'S USED. AND. COME UP WITH THE PROPER LANGUAGE THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT DOESN'T CREATE A A LANDMARK CASE FOR US OR RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. AND MAYBE WE COULD ASK FOR. SO I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. AND THEN IN ADDITION, MAYBE IF YOU COULD DRAW UP SOMETHING THAT IS THAT'S IN THE PACKAGE, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE TO DO THIS WEEKEND.

YOU KNOW, I CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITED ELECTRONIC SIGNS WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. I CANNOT SEE IT BEING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO DISTRACT DRIVERS BY HAVING THE SIGN CHANGING AND PEOPLE COME BY AND READING IT. I REALLY THINK THAT THAT WAS THE INTENT. I COULD BE WRONG, I PROBABLY AM, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, I SEE NO OTHER REASON WHY. IF YOU HAVE A SIGN

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WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH THIS FOR A WHILE. AND IF WE IF BY BY TABLING IT, IT EXTENDS OUR ISSUES. IF YOU VOTE ON TONIGHT AND TURN IT DOWN, IT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND TALK WITH THEM ABOUT IT. FOR GETTING THE ORDINANCE CHANGED, TO GET IT APPROVED THE WAY WE WANT IT APPROVED. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY, MR. BRANDT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR OKAY. WOULD YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM THOUGH, IF WE ADOPTED A PROVISION IN OUR MOTION THAT SAID THAT YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE THE SIGN? YES, I'D HAVE A PROBLEM ONE TIME A DAY. YES, I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BECAUSE. WELL, I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.

OKAY. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE WANT TO HAVE 1 OR 2 MESSAGES COME UP. NOW, WE AREN'T GOING TO BE FLASHING THOSE MESSAGES UP. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE RUNNING THEM ACROSS LIKE A TICKER. BUT THERE'S THINGS LIKE WE HAVE COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE, AND WE WANT TO HAVE OUR HALL RENTAL HALL RENTAL CALL THIS NUMBER. SO THERE'S TWO MESSAGES THERE AND YOU'RE SAYING ONE MESSAGE AND NOW WE AREN'T FLASHING THEM UP. WE WOULD CHANGE. LEAVE THEM UP FOR FIVE MINUTES. CLOSE IT DOWN. 30S LATER PUT UP A NEW MESSAGE. AGAIN, WE AREN'T SELLING ANYTHING. WE'RE NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT ONLY GIVES US ONE MESSAGE PER DAY. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS RUN FOR A WEEK, LIKE A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE. WELL, I MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE ANY PROBLEM VOTING FOR SOMETHING THAT PERMITTED YOU TO PUT UP. WELL, MAKE ONE CHANGE AND HAVE 2 OR 3 MESSAGES ON THE ONE CHANGE. NOW DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I DO NOT HAVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH THE QUESTION, BECAUSE I'M NOT THE BOARD AND I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I THINK, OKAY, IF YOU. MR. CHAIR, REAL QUICK, I HAVE TO CLARIFY AN IMPORTANT POINT. YOU GUYS, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO GO TO COUNCIL. IF THE BOARD WERE TO DENY YOUR REQUEST OUTRIGHT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YES, IT'S THE LAW DIRECTOR'S OPINION THAT THAT IS INCORRECT. I'D LIKE TO READ REAL QUICK JUST FOR THE RECORD CODE SECTION 1133 .07 TITLED APPEAL OF BOARD DECISIONS. THE FIRST SENTENCE STATES, IF THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS GRANTS A REQUEST OR APPEAL FOR VARIANCE, THE APPLICANT AND THE AGGRIEVED PERSON OR ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL OF CITY COUNCIL MAY APPEAL SUCH DECISION TO THE BOARD OF DECISION OF THE BOARD TO COUNCIL. THE OPINION OF THE LAW DIRECTOR IS THAT BY LIMITING THIS APPEAL RIGHT TO ONLY APPLICATIONS THAT WERE GRANTED, AN APPLICATION THAT IS OUTRIGHT DENIED IS NOT GOING TO BE ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL AND INSTEAD HAS APPEAL RIGHTS UNDER CODE. THE CHAPTER 2506 OF THE OHIO REVISED CODE THAT THE BOARD'S DECISION WOULD BE FINAL. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IN FACT, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE HAD THE SAME ADVICE GIVEN TO US BY OTHER PEOPLE FROM YOUR LAW FIRM, I'M CERTAIN, BUT THEY ALSO GAVE US THE SAME OPINION THAT YOU JUST GAVE US. SO THAT MEANS WE HAVE NO WE HAVE NO RIGHT OF APPEAL. I'M SORRY, THAT'S INCORRECT. BUT IT'S NOT AN APPEAL THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IF IT WERE TO BE DIRECTLY TO COUNCIL. THE RIGHT TO APPEAL, IF THE BOARD DENIES, IS TO PROCEED WITH AN

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YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I JOTTED DOWN SOME ITEMS THAT I FEEL, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THAT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHANGEABLE, YOU KNOW, I HAD TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SIGNS AT THE FIREHOUSE. YES, THEY DO CHANGE. THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO CHANGE EVERY SO OFTEN, THOUGH.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE APPLICANT SAID FIVE MINUTES. I THINK WE EVEN GO, YOU KNOW, EVERY MINUTE TO TWO MINUTES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP AGAIN. BUT IT JUST WASN'T SOMETHING THAT CAN FLASH AND SCROLL AND MOVE UP AND DOWN ALL THE TIME AND REALLY DISTRACT YOU. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK WOULD COMPLY WITH THIS SIGN, INCLUDING BRINGING THIS ONE THAT IS THERE NOW INTO COMPLIANCE, MAKING SURE THAT THE HEIGHT, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE ONLY VARIANCE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE DIGITAL OR ELECTRONIC SIGN IS WHAT WOULD BE LEFT, I GUESS, TO SAY YAY OR NAY TO WE. OKAY, WELL, THE SETBACK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I'D HAVE TO SAY. GUYS, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU HERE. YEAH, OKAY, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BEND OVER, AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE HAD THE SIGN FOR A YEAR AND YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR APPROVAL IN ADVANCE, IT'S NOT THE BRIGHTEST THING TO DO. OKAY. WELL, WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT, OKAY. IT ISN'T. SO I WOULD YOU KNOW, I WOULD ENTERTAIN POSTPONEMENT TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING AND HAVE YOU GUYS WORK WITH THOSE STIPULATIONS THAT HE JUST MENTIONED AND BRING IT UP OKAY. OKAY. OTHERWISE I'M GOING TO VOTE. OKAY I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THOUGHT WE'D ALREADY AGREED TO THOSE STIPULATIONS. WE DID TO WHAT STIPULATIONS? THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE WOULD ONLY WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T BE FLASHING THE SIGNS WE AGREED TO THAT WE WOULDN'T BE FLASHING. IT WOULDN'T BE CHANGING OR SCROLLING THAT OFTEN. IT WOULDN'T BE SCROLLING AT ALL. THERE WOULD BE NO FLASHING, NO WAVING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE HAD ALREADY AGREED TO THOSE, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE BASICALLY ONE MONOTONE, ONE MONOTONE MESSAGE TO THE NEXT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. BUT BUT ONE THING, IT'S IN OUR APPLICATION.

IT SAYS THAT AS WELL. ACTUALLY, I'M CONFIDENT OF THAT. WELL, WOULD YOU BE WILLING SAY YOU COULD PUT 2 OR 3 MESSAGES UP AT THE SAME TIME? HOWEVER, THEY'RE ALL PUT UP AT THE SAME TIME AND THEY ALL COME DOWN AT THE SAME TIME, OR YOU REMOVE ONE OF THEM. BUT THEN AGAIN, THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE. THAT'LL BE CORRECT. WELL THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE CAN'T JUST WELL, LET'S DO THIS. LET'S DO THAT. DO THE NEXT MEETING. REGROUP. IT'S A THIRD MONDAY IN DECEMBER.

IS THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH OKAY. I MEAN, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A YEAR. OKAY, I GET IT. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU. RIGHT YOU ARE. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE JUST CAME UP AND VOTED ON THIS, I'D BE A NO VOTE. AS MUCH AS I LOVE VETERANS, THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DOESN'T DO WHAT IT SHOULD DO. AND I'M SURE THAT MR. MR. HAHN HERE WOULD I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S. IF YOU COULD REGROUP AND IT WOULD BE CLEANER AND PRESENT SOMETHING CLEAN THAT MR. BOZO AND LAURA SCOTT AND EVERYBODY IN THE STAFF. IS THAT WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY? MIKE HAS MADE SOME NOTES. WE'VE MADE NOTES AND IT WOULD BE CLEANER AND PRESENT IT TO US, AND MAYBE WE COULD GO FROM THERE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT HAS TO COME FROM YOU. YEAH, YEAH. THE ONE THING THOUGH, LAURA, IS OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 22ND OR ON THE 16TH, BECAUSE I THINK THE 22ND IS THE FOURTH MONDAY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT WOULD BE WHAT I TOLD YOU IS INCORRECT. IT WOULD BE ON THE 22ND. IT'D BE ON THE 22ND. YES. YES YES.

OKAY. RIGHT. AND THE AND THE DEADLINE FOR THAT IS ACTUALLY COMING UP PRETTY QUICK TOO. SO BUT YOU KNOW, SINCE WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING, WE CAN HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THAT. BUT I'D BE

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YEAH. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS DO. WE APPRECIATE THAT. I'M NOT AGAINST I'M NOT AGAINST VETERANS. IT'S AND I'M REALLY NOT AGAINST THE SIGN. I'M NOT AGAINST. RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHY. AND I'M SURE EVERYBODY DOES. WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T WANT TO OPEN PANDORA'S BOX. AND THEN BECAUSE ONCE IT HAPPENS, IF IT HAPPENS THE WRONG WAY, THEN EVERYBODY GETS ONE. RIGHT. AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT'S WANTED HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE'VE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'LL LOWER THE SIGN, WE'LL DO THIS. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING ONE POST, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE TWO SO THAT WE CAN MOVE IT BACK. AND IT LOOKS ESTHETICALLY CORRECT. AND IT'S NOT LIKE, OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THAT GIANT SIGN ON THAT LITTLE POLE. HEY USED ELECTRIC OKAY. TRYING TO SAVE MONEY AND MAKE IT PRESENTABLE, YOU KNOW, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE DO AND LET EVERYBODY ACTUALLY SEE IT FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF, OKAY, I HOPE WE REACHED EVERYBODY BY GETTING OVER HERE, YOU KNOW? I WANT TO BE ABLE TO REACH THE YOUNG VETERANS. OKAY? I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY. OKAY.

YOU HAVE ALL THESE YOUNG VETS AND WE JUST HAD ONE COME TO OUR POST TWO WEEKS AGO, WEEK AND A HALF AGO. OKAY. VERY EXCITED. HE'S A VETERAN. OH, WHAT DO YOU GUYS DO HERE? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING HAPPENING HERE? NO CLUE. OKAY. TO ME. YES THAT THAT'S FOR ME. THAT'S HEARTFELT OKAY ONE BUT IT'S FOR ME. IT'S OUR COMMUNITY. IT'S IT'S IT'S A DOWNFALL. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SO MANY OF THESE YOUNG VETERANS THAT HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. BUT WE CAN ONLY BE SO MANY PLACES, YOU KNOW, AND WE TRY AND I AS I KNOW, SEVERAL OF YOU GUYS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW YOUR BOYS, OKAY. ABSOLUTELY, 100%. AND I KNOW THAT THEY SUPPORT US. YOU KNOW, A VETERAN THAT USED TO BE A MEMBER OF OUR POST DOESN'T ISN'T A MEMBER THAT YOU WOULD KNOW IS JOSH SHEPHERD. OKAY. I'M WORKING ON GETTING JOSH TO COME BACK AND SAY HEY, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T REALIZE THE THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY AND HIM AS A BUSINESS OWNER. I HOPE HE COMES AND JOINS OUR GROUP SO THAT HE CAN GET OUT AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

I DO THAT THE YOUNGER GENTLEMAN HERE CANNOT DO. OKAY. AND AND I SAY THAT LIGHTLY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I CAN'T DO WHAT I WANT TO DO EITHER. I HAVE SOME HEALTH ISSUES, BUT BESIDE THE POINT, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT WHEN THEY DRIVE BY. IF THEY CAN'T, THEN WE CAN'T HELP THE YOUNG GUYS THAT ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY NEED NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL HELP, BUT IN A LOT OF WAYS THEY NEED THE CAMARADERIE OF WHAT WE DO MENTALLY FROM COMING HOME, FROM THE PLACES THEY HAVE BEEN. AND I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY. IT'S IMPORTANT. OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS AND PUT IT ON. CAN WE TABLE THIS? IS THAT THE PROPER MOTION TO MAKE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? I WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING MOVE TO UNTABLE IT OKAY TO THE AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS MOTION AND REOPEN IT AT OUR DECEMBER THE 22ND MEETING. SECOND, SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? WHAT? GO AHEAD, MR. BRANDT. HIGH CHAIR. YES. MR. HAHN? YES, YES. OKAY. THANKS FOR COMING IN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I STRUGGLE ALL DAY HOW TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SO IT WAS. YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHAME THE SIGN COMPANY WOULDN'T BE MORE FLEXIBLE, BUT. OH, YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE ANY NEW BUSINESS? ANY NEW BUSINESS? NO. NEW BUSINESS. THERE'S NO NEW BUSINESS. I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU. TAKE

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