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Feb 17, 2026 Special City Council

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SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL FOR THE REC CENTER. AND I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE, MISS ANDERSON. MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE YOU DO THAT, CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? OH, PLEASE GO AHEAD. MR. OMAR ANDERSON. HERE, HERE, BARRY. HERE. HOLT STREET HERE. BURROWS. HERE, MISS. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO MOVE TO EXCUSE MOHAMMED. OMAR. YEAH. UNTIL HE'S ON HIS WAY HERE, HE'S HUNG UP IN TRAFFIC, SO I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE EXCUSE HIM. SECOND THAT. ANDERSON. YES. OLINGA. YES, GARY. YES, YES, YES, YES. YOU NOW HAVE THE COMM. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE VERY EXCITED. THIS IS THE

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WORK SESSION, AS YOU ALL KNOW, TO DISCUSS AN UPDATE ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE, THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO GO THROUGH. I DO WANT TO JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AT THE BEGINNING. ONE, I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR PARK BOARD. SO AS YOU KNOW, PARK BOARD MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED AND SERVANT OR TAKE AN OATH AS WELL TO SERVE ALONGSIDE AND WITHIN OUR CITY AND HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS JOURNEY, LEADING THIS JOURNEY, BUT A PART OF THIS JOURNEY. SO AS COUNCIL, AS WE ALL SIT UP HERE AND DISCUSS THIS, I JUST WANT EVERYONE'S AWARENESS THAT THERE'S BEEN SO MANY HOURS, EFFORT AND TIME SPENT BY OUR PARK BOARD MEMBERS. SO IF WE COULD, IF EVERYBODY WOULD JUST INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND HOW MANY YEARS THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PARK BOARD, AND THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING. JIM CLARK I'VE BEEN ON PARK BOARD FOR YOU'RE TRYING TO 16 YEARS. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, ABOUT 16 YEARS. GARY JAMES I'VE BEEN ON THE PARK BOARD FOR THREE YEARS. OKAY. SO. FOR. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A POINT WHERE SOMEONE FROM THE PARK BOARD DOES KIND OF SHARE SOME THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AS AGAIN, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGHOUT THIS JOURNEY FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THIS HAS BEEN YEARS OF EFFORT FROM PAST MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS WELL ROBBIE SCHOTTKY, CHRISTINE HAWK, ANTHONY WILSON TO NAME A FEW. OBVIOUSLY, MANY YEARS OF WORK BY THE PARK BOARD, NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I KNOW THE PARK BOARD HAS MET WITH LOCAL LEADERS, SPORTS ORGANIZATIONS, PARENTS. THEY'VE SPENT HOURS GATHERING DIRECT AND INDIRECT FEEDBACK. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY IN TERMS OF BEING HIRED PROS CONSULTING AND PEZZUTTI. AND THROUGHOUT THE WORK WITH THEM, THERE HAVE BEEN STATISTICALLY SOUND SURVEYS TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM RESIDENTS. THERE HAVE BEEN COMMUNITY FORUMS TO GATHER FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS AS WELL. SO JUST TO KIND OF SAY THAT CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A COMMUNITY CENTER ARE NOT NEW, AND THEY HAVE BEEN LONG GOING FOR A WHILE NOW. THERE'S CURRENT LEGISLATION RIGHT NOW, A RESOLUTION THAT DOES SAY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS ENCOURAGED TO MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK AT A LARGE, CITY OPERATED, MULTI-GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE APPROXIMATE RANGE OF 100,000FT■!S. THAT COULD TAKE UP APPROXIMATELY 15 PLUS ACRES OF LAND, 15 ACRES, IF IT IS JUST THE SITE FOR THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY CENTER BUILDING ITSELF, ADDITIONAL ACREAGE FOR POTENTIAL FIELD SPACE. SO WE GOT TO A POINT OF HAVING TWO INTERNAL COMMITTEES LAST YEAR.

THOSE TWO COMMITTEES WERE BOTH A SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND A FINANCE COMMITTEE. THOSE COMMITTEES WERE TO WERE LED THROUGH THE PROCESS. FROM. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE SITES TODAY.

THAT IS THE PRESENTATION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL GO THROUGH. AND THEN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE DID GIVE A COUPLE OF POINTS TO HELP GUIDE IN FUNDING THIS MECHANISM, ONE BEING EXTENDING THE PINNACLE TIFF FOR ANOTHER. I BELIEVE IT WAS 30 YEARS, IF THAT'S CORRECT. 1515.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 15 THAT PIECE WAS SATISFIED AT THE END OF 2024 WITH AN ORDINANCE. THE OTHER PIECE OF THE FUNDING MECHANISM THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS A POTENTIAL INCOME TAX INCREASE TO BE ON THE BALLOT THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON BY OUR COMMUNITY.

SO REALLY, WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND AND BEING HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND DETERMINE

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THE SITE OPTIONS. AGAIN, THIS WAS DIRECTED BY PEZZUTI. LOOKING AT THESE SITES AND WHAT YOU WILL SEE TODAY WAS THE WAY THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, WHICH CONSISTED OF TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, MYSELF AND JODY BURROWS, TWO PARK BOARD MEMBERS, SAM, I'M SORRY, SAM CLARK AND TRICIA ZELNICK, AND THEN CHRIS ROACH, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION PARTNER, AND THEN THE SITE. THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS ALSO SET UP IN A SIMILAR STRUCTURE OF OF PEOPLE, BUT FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, THERE WERE A GOOD 20 PLUS SITES THAT WERE LOOKED AT. IT WAS THE EVALUATION CRITERIA GIVEN TO THIS COMMITTEE BY PEZZUTI WAS A 30 PLUS CRITERIA TASK LIST. TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THESE SITES AND REALLY TAKE THE BIAS AND THE FEELINGS OUT OF, WELL, THIS WOULD BE COOL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR THIS WOULD BE COOL OVER HERE. IT WAS A VERY SPECIFIC, DRIVEN EXERCISE LED BY PEZZUTI. SO THAT GOT THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO COME OUT WITH FIVE TOP SITES. AND REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY TO DISCUSS THAT. I KNOW WE'LL HAVE LOTS OF DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL THROUGH THAT AS WE GO FORWARD. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO ADD AT THIS POINT OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON? AND THEN I WASN'T SURE IF. JACK. JACK, I CAN'T SEE WHERE YOU ARE. JACK CASTLE, OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC.

THANK YOU. I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO LEAD WITH, OR IF IT WAS CINDY OR CHUCK OR THE MAYOR WHO WANTED TO LEAD WITH THE SITES. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS A A PRESENTATION THAT SHE'S GOING TO TAKE US THROUGH, THAT I THINK WILL BRING US UP TO DATE. VERY GOOD RECAP, DETAILED RECAP. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WHAT I JUST WANT TO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE EVERYBODY THAT'S PUT EFFORT INTO THIS FROM THE PARK BOARD FOR, YOU KNOW, EVEN BEFORE I JOINED THE TEAM HERE IN GROVE CITY, THEY WERE ALREADY WORKING ON THIS FOR A SOLID YEAR PLUS. SO FOR THE TWO PLUS YEARS OF EFFORT FROM THE PARK BOARD, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ADMINISTRATION HAVE HELPED PROVIDE DIRECTION AND AND GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THEN ESPECIALLY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE TAKEN TIME, HAD PATIENCE WITH THIS PROCESS, AND PROVIDED A TON OF FEEDBACK THAT HAS HELPED US DEVELOP A GAME PLAN. SO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. AND I THINK WE'RE DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY. I THINK WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS THE RIGHT WAY. SO THANK YOU. JUST ONE UPDATE. YOU MENTIONED THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED IN 2024 FOR. 25, 25 MULTI-GENERATIONAL THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT WAS ALSO FOR CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED. YES.

SO THAT WAS PASSED BY COUNCIL IN 2025. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. YES, SIR. RIGHT.

YEAH. YOU GUYS ARE READY. I'LL DIVE IN. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THANKS FOR CONVENING THIS MEETING AND PROVIDING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH NOT JUST YOU ALL, BUT THE PUBLIC THE PROGRESS TO DATE SINCE THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAVE MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE SINCE THEN. AM I ABLE TO ADVANCE ON HERE? TAMMY? I'M SORRY. OH, YEP. NEVERMIND, I GOT IT. YES, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SORRY. SO QUICK AGENDA HERE. I WAS JUST GOING TO HIT ON THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS RECAP THOSE FOR FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THEN DIVE INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE AND SOME OF THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE'VE DONE ON THOSE SITES AND WHERE WE'RE AT WITH EACH OF THEM. THEN OFFER OBVIOUSLY FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL, ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE FOR US. AND THEN I HAVE A SLIDE JUST TO SHARE SOME NEXT STEPS OF WHAT WE SEE GOING FORWARD. SO AS MISSY SHARED, THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE NARROWED IT DOWN TO SIX FINALISTS SITES. THEY WERE THE TOP FIVE AND THEN ALSO THE FRIAR PARK SITE, IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS WERE MET, WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. SO WE THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT JUST TO SHOW THOSE ON A MAP. I'M DISAPPOINTED. IT LOOKS A LITTLE WASHED OUT ON THIS SCREEN, BUT THIS IS THE FULL LIMITS OF OUR CITY. AND SO YOU CAN SEE JUST KIND OF THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION OF WHERE THEY SIT ACROSS OUR CITY FOR CONSIDERATION. SO THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS ONE, THE FIRST STEP THEY DID WAS THEY DRILLED DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE PROGRAM, PROGRAMMATIC DESIGN OF THE FACILITY AND WHAT SPACES WE NEEDED. THEY PROPOSED THAT WE WOULD NEED A FACILITY OF 188,000FT■!S AND A MINIMUM SITEF

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15.4 ACRES, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IF WE WERE TO INTRODUCE A THIRD PARTY USER INTO THIS FACILITY, IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 20 TO 30 OR 20 TO 50,000FT■!S, DEPENDINGN WHAT THEIR NEEDS MIGHT BE. CINDY, FOR A QUICK QUESTION, COULD YOU JUST EXPAND ON WHAT A THIRD PARTY USER, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THE 20 TO 50,000FT■!S? SURE. SO AS YOU'VE SEEN IN MANY SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, THEY HAVE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE LIKES OF OSU TYPE OF USE. YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER USE.

AND SO A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A REHAB TYPE OR SOME SORT OF MEDICAL PARTNER. THERE'S CERTAINLY OTHER OPTIONS, BUT THOSE ARE PRIMARILY WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA.

SO THEY ALSO WENT AHEAD AND LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IF WE DID WANT TO COMBINE A COMMUNITY CENTER WITH A TOURNAMENT OUTDOOR FACILITY, FIELD TYPE FACILITY. AND SO OF THE SITES THEY NARROWED DOWN, THERE WERE THREE OF THEM THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THEN THREE THAT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I THINK THIS DISCUSSION IS FOCUSING PRIMARILY ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER ITSELF. THAT'S WHAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FOCUSED ON AND THE STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE FOR FUNDING SUCH A TYPE OF FACILITY. BUT FOR AWARENESS, WE DID LOOK AT SITES AND THE ACREAGE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT TYPE OF SITE. SO THE SIX SITES THAT BECAME THE FINALIST SITES, AND THOSE ARE RANKED IN ORDER FROM PRIORITY OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, WHERE THE HEARTH PROPERTY MW, HOOVER, MURFIN, PINNACLE PARK, HANDSWORTH PARK AND FRIAR PARK. AND I'LL GO INTO EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALLY SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER GRASP OF WHERE THOSE ARE. AND THEN THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE ADVANCE ACQUISITION AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THE OVERALL PROGRAMMATIC BUDGET DID INCLUDE $5 MILLION FOR THAT ACQUISITION. AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IF ANY OF THESE OR ALL OF THESE SITES BECAME UNVIABLE, THAT THERE WERE ADDITIONAL SITES REVIEWED AND THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE LIST FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. AS COUNCIL MEMBER ANDERSON SHARED, IT WAS 18 SITES INDIVIDUALLY THAT EACH OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE MEMBERS WENT THROUGH WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB AGAINST VERY HARSH CRITERIA. I THINK IT WAS 57 DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT THEY REALLY EVALUATED ON TO TAKE ALL OF THOSE BIASES OUT. SO THAT WAS SOME GREAT WORK THAT WAS DONE BY THAT COMMITTEE. AND SO FROM THERE, WE WANTED TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THESE SITES. THE NUMBER ONE SITE ON THE LIST WAS THE HEARTH PROPERTY. THIS WAS A TEST FIT LAYOUT OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE ON THAT SITE THAT WE HAD DONE DURING THAT PROCESS. IT'S LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF HORTON AND BUCKEYE PARKWAY IS THE OVERALL HEARTH PROPERTY, BUT WE WOULD ENVISION IT ALIGNING OFF OF BUCKEYE PARKWAY THERE. AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVEN TO SHARE THE CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WE'VE HAD ON ON THAT SITE.

YEAH, IT WASN'T POSITIVE. I, I HAD REACHED OUT TO MRS. HEARTH VIA EMAIL AND I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM HER. SO I WENT AND KNOCKED ON HER DOOR AND WE HAD A REALLY NICE CONVERSATION. AND AT THE TIME SHE SHE DIDN'T SAY ABSOLUTELY NO. SHE SAID SEND HER SOME INFORMATION, WHICH I DID. I FOLLOWED UP WITH HER AND I FINALLY SPOKE WITH HER ON SATURDAY. AND THEY HAVE NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REC CENTER ON THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. SO THAT WAS AS RECENT AS THIS PAST SATURDAY. SHE CALLED ME ON SATURDAY, LIKE AT 11 A.M. I THINK, AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION FOLLOW AND I HAD SENT HER MR. BOZZONE. I HAD SENT HER TWO EMAILS LAST WEEK JUST SAYING, HEY, WE WE NEED TO KNOW ONE WAY OR ANOTHER JUST SO WE CAN TELL THE COMMITTEE AND THE CITY RESIDENTS KIND OF WHERE THEY STAND. SO THEY ARE A NO. THAT WAS A PRETTY MUCH A DEFINITIVE NO. NOW I IT WAS A DEFINITIVE NO. NOW I, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF COUNCIL EVER DID DECIDE YOU DO HAVE THE POWER OF EMINENT DOMAIN. NOW THAT WILL TAKE YEARS TO COMPLETE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A QUICK TAKE, BUT IT IS AN OPTION. I'M NOT TELLING YOU YOU WANT TO DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU IT IS AN OPTION. SO DESPITE THAT UNFORTUNATE NEWS ON THE HEARTH PROPERTY, I DO WANT TO GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH. I'M GOING TO DO THIS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE. AND JUST THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID DO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT UTILITIES AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE AVAILABLE OR IF THEY WEREN'T, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET UTILITIES TO THAT SITE? AT THIS SITE, THERE IS A 12 INCH WATER MAIN AND A 12 INCH SANITARY SEWER ALONG BUCKEYE PARKWAY THAT WOULD BE ADEQUATE TO SERVE THIS SITE FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE. NOW, A COMMUNITY CENTER GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND OFTENTIMES IF IT'S ON A CORRIDOR SUCH AS BUCKEYE PARKWAY, IT WOULD WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO FROM A SITE ACCESS PERSPECTIVE, WE LOOKED AT IT THAT THE ENTRANCE WOULD COME OFF OF BUCKEYE PARKWAY AND A SIGNAL WOULD BE WARRANTED AT A COST OF APPROXIMATELY $500,000. WE DID ALSO LOOK TO CONFIRM, AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE ARE GOOD BED AND BIKE AND PED FACILITIES IN THIS GENERAL AREA AS THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT FOLKS WOULD BE

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ABLE TO GET THERE, NOT JUST BY CAR. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST USED A AVERAGE MARKET RATE PER ACRE AT 15.4 ACRES OF THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D ROUGHLY BE AROUND $500,000. OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE PURSUING IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO AN APPRAISAL AND THERE WOULD BE NEGOTIATION AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO THAT'S NOT A FINITE COST. BUT JUST IF YOU'RE USING A MARKET PRICE PER ACRE AT THAT ACREAGE, THAT WOULD BE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. SO WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THEN THE LAND ACQUISITION COST TO DO A COMMUNITY CENTER ONLY ON THAT PORTION OF THE SITE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF $5.5 MILLION. SO THE NEXT SITE ON THE LIST FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS THE RM HOOVER LLC PROPERTY. NOW THIS IS DOWN IN THE VICINITY OF HOOVER AND LONDON GROVEPORT ROAD. SO 665. AND MR. SMITH ALSO HAD THE PLEASURE OF CONTACTING THIS PROPERTY OWNER, AND HE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE. I FEEL LIKE I'M THE BEARER OF BAD NEWS TODAY. I THE THE RM HOOVER IS THE STRATER FAMILY AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO SPEAK WITH. OH GOSH, I CAN'T REMEMBER HER NAME RIGHT NOW. SHE'S KIND OF THE MATRIARCH OF THE FAMILY RIGHT NOW, AND THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER IN SELLING. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T LIVE THERE LIKE THE HEARST DO. AND I INQUIRED AS TO WHAT DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR THAT PROPERTY? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO SELL IT. AND THERE'S A THERE'S AN INTERESTING FAMILY DYNAMIC THERE. SO IT THEY WERE NOT GENERALLY RECEPTIVE WHATSOEVER TO THIS IDEA. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT'S THE LAST ONE I'M GOING TO RUIN TODAY FOR YOU. OKAY. SO STILL GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE EVALUATING WHAT UTILITIES ARE AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THERE IS A 20 INCH WATER MAIN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVICE THIS SITE ALONG LONDON ROAD, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOT SANITARY SEWER. WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR, I THINK, WITH THE HARRIS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF BOREN. 665. ULTIMATELY IT WILL EXTEND TO SANITARY AND 18 INCH SANITARY SEWER TO LONDON GROVE PORT ROAD, WHICH WOULD MEAN FOR THIS SITE, YOU'D BE REQUIRED TO DO A SHORT EXTENSION THAT WE THINK WOULD BE AROUND THE $350,000 RANGE TO EXTEND THE SANITARY SITE SEWER OVER TO THAT SITE AND THEN ON THE SITE ACCESS. YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY WRAPS AROUND KIND OF THE CEMETERY. SO THERE'S FRONTAGE ALONG LONDON GROVE PORT, BUT THERE'S ALSO FRONTAGE ALONG HOOVER ROAD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SITE ACCESS OFF OF LONDON GROVE PORT ROAD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN AREA WHERE IT'S STILL JUST TWO LANE ROADWAY. AND SO YOU WOULD LIKELY NEED TO EVALUATE UNDER A TRAFFIC STUDY WHETHER TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED. THE PROXIMITY TO WHERE HAWTHORNE PARKWAY IS COMING DOWN FROM THE HARRIS DEVELOPMENT IS TOO CLOSE TO A SECOND SIGNAL HERE. AND SO IF YOU TRULY WANTED TO LOOK AT ACCESS OFF OF LONDON GROVE PORT ROAD, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GET CREATIVE WITH MAYBE MULTIPLE ROUNDABOUTS OR SOME OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE. NOW, IF YOU WENT DOWN TO HOOVER ROAD AGAIN, BY THIS POINT, IT'S NARROWED BACK DOWN TO A VERY RURAL TWO LANE ROADWAY SECTION.

AND SO IF YOU WIDEN THAT TO KIND OF MATCH WHAT WAS UP CLOSER TO LONDON GROVE PORT ROAD, DOWN TO WHERE YOU COULD HAVE AN ACCESS AND THEN INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT A PROBABLY 6 TO $8 MILLION ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ACCESS TO A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THIS SITE UNDER ACQUISITION. I HAVE THOSE SAME KIND OF MARKET RATE PRICE PER ACRE VALUES THERE. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING ALL IN JUST TO MAKE THIS SITE DEVELOPABLE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COST OF, YOU KNOW, 11.3 TO $13.3 MILLION TO JUST START BUILDING THERE.

SO THE NEXT SITE THAT WAS ON THE LIST THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS MURFIN FIELDS, THE SITE OF JKCA.

AND CHUCK AND JACK MET WITH THEM. AND HE HAS AN UPDATE FOR YOU. YES. THANK YOU. CINDY, DIRECTOR CASSELL AND MYSELF HAVE MET WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE MURFIN BOARD. IT WAS A VERY GOOD CONVERSATION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, WHICH THEY INDICATED THEY DO HAVE SOME IDEAS IN TERMS OF US PURCHASING AT LEAST SOME OF THE PROPERTY, PERHAPS NOT THE WHOLE ACREAGE, BUT THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS STILL IN IN PLAY RIGHT NOW. AND WE'LL KNOW MORE AFTER AFTER TOMORROW NIGHT. IS THERE NOT STIPULATIONS ALREADY ON THAT PROPERTY THE WAY IT WAS? YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT OUR AT OUR FIRST MEETING AND THAT CAME UP BETWEEN THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY SAID THERE WASN'T ANY STIPULATIONS. THE MONEY WAS JUST DONATED, AND THEY RAISED THE REST AND THEY SAID THEY COULD SELL TO ANYONE.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE HERE, THERE IS A WATER MAIN AVAILABLE ALONG HORN ROAD. 12 INCH WATER MAIN COULD ADEQUATELY SERVICE THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, ANY OF THE

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GRAVITY SEWERS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT AT AN ADEQUATE DEPTH TO SERVE THE SITE. AND SO WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING LIFT STATION OFF OF ANABEL COURT THERE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLETELY REBUILT. WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE BIGGER PUMPS AND, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL ACCESS INTO THE WELL THERE. THE DISCHARGE MAIN WOULD SERVICE THE SITE SO WE COULD JUST DO KIND OF A REHAB ON THAT EXISTING LIFT STATION TO MAKE THAT WORK AND PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE OF AROUND $500,000 TO DO THAT. FROM A SANITARY SEWER PERSPECTIVE, SITE ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF HORN ROAD. AGAIN, A COMMUNITY CENTER TYPICALLY WARRANTS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, SO WE WOULD SITE THAT IN AN APPROPRIATE SPOT, KIND OF BETWEEN THE CROSS STREETS THERE AT $500,000. AND THERE ARE EXISTING BIKE AND PED FACILITIES HERE. SO UNDER ACQUISITION, JUST BECAUSE THE CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING WITH GCC, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT A PRICE HERE. WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE HOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING TO GO, SO DON'T HAVE AN ALL IN NUMBER FOR YOU ON THIS SITE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF UTILITY AND SITE ACCESS UPFRONT COSTS IN ADDITION TO ANY LAND ACQUISITION OF COSTS AT THIS SITE. SO THE NEXT SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE PINNACLE PARK SITE THAT'S AT PINNACLE PARK DRIVE AND HOLTON ROAD. YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE WERE TWO TEST FITS THAT HE HAD DONE WITH THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, ONE THAT SHOWED A CENTER TO THE WEST OF PINNACLE PARK DRIVE THAT GOES THROUGH THE THE PARK PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER TEST FIT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT IS MORE FORWARD IN THE PROPERTY AND ALONG HOLTON ROAD, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. SO LOOKING AT A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A 12 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG HOLTON ROAD THAT COULD SERVICE THE SITE IF YOU DEVELOPED THE COMMUNITY CENTER TO THE FRONT PORTION THAT EAST OF THE ROADWAY, YOU COULD DO GRAVITY SEWER TO THE SEWER AND MEADOW GROVE DRIVE JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IF YOU WANTED TO SITE IT FURTHER IN THE BACK WEST OF THE ROAD, THEN YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO. WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL LIFT STATION, AND WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE THERE OF AROUND $700,000 TO PROVIDE SANITARY SEWER FOR THAT PORTION OF THE SITE. SITE ACCESS WOULD BE OFF OF HOLTON ROAD. IT'S ALREADY BEEN RECENTLY SIGNALIZED. SO YOU HAVE GOOD ACCESS AND WE HAVE GREAT BIKE PED FACILITIES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR NOW. SO ACQUISITION OBVIOUSLY IT'S A CITY OWNED PROPERTY. SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY COST FOR LAND ACQUISITION. SO IN THE SUMMARY THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT JUST TO DEVELOP THIS SITE YOU'RE AT $0 TO 700,000. IF WE WANTED TO DEVELOP IN THE BACK PORTION OF THE SITE TO GET THAT LIFT STATION, HOW MANY ACRES ARE THERE TOTAL? THAT PROPERTY IS? 42 ACRES. IT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT BISECTED BY THE ROAD, BUT THE FRONT SITE DOES HAVE ADEQUATE ACREAGE FOR THAT MINIMUM 15.4 TO DO A SITE. AND THEN THE BACK PIECE, I THINK IS 29 ALONE TO THE WEST OF THE ROADWAY. THAT THAT BACK PIECE, ACCORDING TO THE MAP, I THINK THAT'S VIEWABLE FROM THE FREEWAY. RIGHT. SO IF YOU IF YOU PUT A BUILDING THERE, IT WOULD BE SEEN IT IS ALONG IT, IT IS RIGHT ALONG I 71. YES, SIR. OKAY. TO MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT SITE THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS HEMSWORTH PARK. THIS IS ON MALLOW LANE ADJACENT TO JACKSON MIDDLE SCHOOL. GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE HERE. THERE'S AN EIGHT INCH WATER MAIN ALONG MALLOW LANE THAT COULD SERVICE THE SITE. AND THEN SOUTH OF THE SITE, FROM THE TERMINUS OF BLUE STAR DRIVE, THERE IS AN EXISTING EIGHT INCH SANITARY SEWER THAT COULD SERVICE THIS SITE. SITE ACCESS OFF OF MALLOW LANE WOULD. THE PARK OCCUPIES THAT ENTIRE BLOCK BETWEEN MEADOW GROVE AND LILAC. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL NECESSARILY WOULD BE WARRANTED HERE JUST BECAUSE IT SITS ALL ALONE IN THAT STRETCH. BUT YOU ARE CUTTING THROUGH A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT DOES HAVE BIKE AND PED FACILITIES. AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE JACKSON MIDDLE SCHOOL. AGAIN, THIS IS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY, SO THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY LAND ACQUISITION COSTS HERE. IT IS THE SMALLEST OF THE SITES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT. I THINK THE OVERALL ACREAGE THERE, TED IS 21 ACRES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, UTILITY SITE ACCESS AND ACQUISITION, THERE WOULD NOT BE A UPFRONT COST FOR THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN THE LAST SITE THAT WAS ON THE LIST, ALBEIT WITH SOME CONDITIONS, WAS FRIAR PARK. SO WE WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE AND LOOK AT IT FROM THE UTILITY AND SITE ACCESS PIECE. THERE IS A 16 INCH WATER MAIN ALONG DISCOVERY DRIVE AND SIX INCH WATER MAINS THAT EXTEND THROUGH THE SITE, SO WATER IS READILY AVAILABLE.

SIMILARLY, EXISTING EIGHT INCH GRAVITY SEWER IS AVAILABLE ON THE PARK SITE AND THEN ACCESS

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COMMISSION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK FOR ME. ONE THING THAT I LOOK FOR IS ACCESS, RIGHT? WHETHER WE TALK ABOUT WALKING DISTANCE, BEING ABLE TO BIKE, TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, KNOWING THAT THE YMCA IS ON ONE SIDE OF TOWN. RIGHT. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT THE WAY, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT RESIDE IN WARD ONE AND WARD FIVE. SO I THINK IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME, BECAUSE THE FIVE SITES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHERE THE Y IS LOCATED. SO OUT OF THOSE 18 SITES THAT YOU ALL REVIEWED, HOW MANY OF THEM WERE KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN? I DON'T I CAN'T PUT A NUMBER TO IT. COUNCILMAN OMAR, BUT I CAN SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT OFF THE TOP CRITERIA OF NEEDING 15 ACRES REALLY, REALLY LIMITS YOU. WARD ONE AND WARD FIVE ARE VERY DENSE AND BUILT OUT, AND SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. SO THEY LED US IN THAT THEY HAVE A REAL ESTATE ARM WHO BROUGHT TO US ALL SITES THAT THEY THOUGHT IN THE CITY OR IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THE CITY WOULD BE VIABLE. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF SITES THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE THE FAR WEST SIDE OF TOWN. WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES NORTH, AND THEN I MIGHT SCROLL BACK JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE LOOKING AT THAT I SHOWED AT THE VERY BEGINNING. YEAH. AND IT SHOWS A LITTLE BETTER ON YOUR SCREEN, I THINK, HERE, THAN IT DOES ON THE BIG SCREEN HERE. BUT HERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE SIX FINALIST SITES AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE PROXIMITY OF, OF THE CITY CORPORATION LIMITS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID TRY THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, DID TRY TO FIND THINGS THAT WERE CENTRALLY LOCATED. AND ONE OF THE CRITERIA WAS DISTANCE TO POPULATION CENTERS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY LOOKED AT.

AND SO THESE WERE THE ONES OUT OF ALL OF THAT CRITERIA THAT ROSE TO THE TOP. AND I'LL ADD A SENTIMENT AS WELL, TO WRITE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT THROUGH WORK SESSIONS AND WITH THE PARK BOARD IS ABSOLUTELY ACCESS, EQUITABLE ACCESS FOR THE FULL COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT OUR GOALS WORK SESSION IS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, RIGHT, THAT THERE ARE SPACES BROUGHT TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND BROUGHT TO PEOPLE. AND I THINK WITHIN THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES AND SUBURBS, IT MAYBE THAT OPPORTUNITY ISN'T THERE, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE FUNDS AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING IT IN ONE SITE. AND SO AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND AS WE HAVE BEEN DRIVEN FROM COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, SENTIMENT AND THE OUTPOURING OF FEEDBACK THAT THIS BE ONE LARGE SITE THAT IS A MULTI-GENERATIONAL SITE. SO ACCESS REALLY COMES IN, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROGRAMING ACCESS FOR EVERYBODY AND WE'RE MAKING SURE PEOPLE CAN GET THERE? WE'RE A VERY FORTUNATE COMMUNITY WITH THE CO2+ PROGRAM, AND HOW COULD WE EVEN MAKE CONNECTIONS THERE AND LOOK AT WAYS, EVEN THROUGH THE POTENTIAL OF OUR PARKS FOUNDATION BOARD, THAT IS ABLE TO HAVE. FUNDING AVAILABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS IS THERE FOR PEOPLE, THAT THERE CAN BE TIES, THAT MAYBE THE CO2+ SYSTEM CAN GET PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THERE'S THERE ARE DEFINITE, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS AROUND THAT AND WAYS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THAT THIS IS ACCESSIBLE AND EQUITABLE TO OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS IN ONE, YOU KNOW, MULTI-GENERATIONAL SITE. SO. SO WITH WITH FRIAR. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I FIRST STARTED GETTING INVOLVED, I INITIALLY WAS ACTUALLY SKEPTICAL ABOUT EVEN PARTNERING WITH THE Y BECAUSE I, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS ALL OR ALL OR NONE SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A 100% CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, OR THE CITY BUILDS IT AND THEN HANDS THE KEYS OVER TO THE Y. AND THEN THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANY INPUT. I'VE SINCE LEARNED THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT THE CASE, THAT THERE'S ALL KINDS OF VARIANCE IN THE MIDDLE THAT IT COULD BE THAT COULD BE DONE TO THE POINT OF EVEN IT COULD BE TOTALLY CITY OWNED, TOTALLY CITY DRIVEN DECISIONS MADE BY THE CITY, BUT OPERATED BY THE Y. SO AND I DON'T MEAN TO GO TO THE PAST, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME ALREADY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AN ORGANIZATION AND A FACILITY THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE DECADES, HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER, PARTNER TO THE CITY, AND IS ALREADY THERE AND POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE THE WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO ACTUALLY NOT INCUR AS MUCH COST EVEN. YEAH. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE

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WHERE DID WHERE DID WE HOW DID WE END UP LANDING ON A IT'S GOT TO BE 100% CITY NO Y INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER WHATSOEVER. I CAN CERTAINLY AT LEAST KIND OF START AND IF OTHERS WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE WILLING TO CHIME IN AS WELL. THERE WAS A STATISTICALLY SOUND SURVEY DONE BY PROS CONSULTING. SO ONE OF THE FIRST EXTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT WAS IN A SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE CITY, I THINK, STARTED BY EVEN OUR PAST COUNCIL MEMBER TO REALLY REINVIGORATE THIS CONVERSATION A FEW YEARS BACK. AND WITHIN THAT SURVEY, IT WAS FOUND THAT 68% OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANT IT TO BE CITY OPERATED, CITY OPERATED, CITY RUN. I WOULD ALSO I'M SORRY, WAS THERE WAS THERE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT, OR WAS IT A BINARY CHOICE OF DO YOU WANT CITY RUN OR A PARTNERSHIP AND THEY JUST PICKED ONE OR THE OTHER? WHAT WAS THE REASONING? I DON'T KNOW THEIR REASONING FOR WHAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE ANSWERED, BUT THE QUESTION I BELIEVE, WAS CITY OPERATED, Y OPERATED OR A PARTNERSHIP. SO MULTIPLE OPTIONS WERE PROVIDED. I THINK THROUGH A LOT OF WORK THAT THE PARK BOARD HAS DONE AS WELL IN TERMS OF PARTNERING WITH THE COMMUNITY, GATHERING FEEDBACK. I THINK ALL OF US HAVE PROBABLY HAD DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AS WELL THAT THE PRECIPICE WAS, LET'S FIRST DRIVE THIS TO SEE WHAT A CITY OPERATED, CITY OWNED FACILITY COULD LOOK LIKE AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES. YES, AND LET'S AT LEAST GET THAT TO THE FINISH LINE FIRST. HOW CAN WE FUND IT? AND IF THAT IS THE MAIN THING THAT CAN COME INTO FRUITION BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, THEN LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. ANOTHER PIECE OF THAT IS MEMBERSHIP COSTS. AND COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE CERTAINLY HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS THROUGH WORK SESSIONS. AND AGAIN, THE EQUITABLE ACCESS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS, IF WE CAN BE 100% IN CONTROL OF THE OPERATING COSTS AND NOT WORRYING ABOUT ANOTHER ENTITY THAT IS MAYBE NOT OPERATING IT. BUT I THINK I'M NOT SURE THE WORDS YOU USED WELL, MANAGING IT. YEAH. YEAH.

RIGHT. EXACTLY. AND THERE IS STILL ANOTHER ENTITY TO TAKE INTO PLACE IN TERMS OF THEY NEED FUNDED, RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT TAKES AWAY THE CITY'S ABILITY TO FULLY DETERMINE WHAT MEMBERSHIP COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. BUT DIDN'T WE ALREADY CARVE OUT A SECTION WHERE WE COULD HAVE THIRD PARTY? THAT WOULD BE SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED CINDY TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT THIRD PARTY WOULD BE A LIKE MEDICAL FACILITY AND THAT WOULD BE A LEASED PARTNER. THEY WOULD LEASE THEIR OWN SPACE AND OPERATE THEIR OWN BUSINESS OR SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE.

WITHIN THAT BUILDING, THERE'D BE A DOOR ON ONE SIDE, THEY WOULD 100% THEM WITH NO CITY INVOLVEMENT. CORRECT? CORRECT. THEY WOULD PAY THE CITY TO UTILIZE 50,000FT■!S OF THE FACILITY. SO THOSE ARE A LOT OF THE I MEAN, VERY HIGH LEVEL. RIGHT? VERY 10,000 FOOT VIEW PERSPECTIVE THAT HAD HAS GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW IN THE SENSE OF LET'S DRIVE FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE OF OPERATING MODEL AND PERSPECTIVE. WE'VE DETERMINED WAYS TO FUND THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND IF WE CAN GET THAT TO THE FINISH LINE. SO IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE OR. EXCUSE MR. I CAN MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE WIDE BIG SPLASH THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, ARE 25 YEARS OLD AT THE TIME THAT THOSE TWO, THE BIG SPLASH WAS BUILT AND THE Y WAS BUILT WAS OUR POPULATION WAS LIKE 27,000 PEOPLE, AND WE'RE SITTING AT 43 PLUS THOUSAND PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

AND I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES ANOTHER RECREATIONAL FACILITY AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW NOT ONLY WHERE WE ARE TODAY, BUT INTO THE FUTURE. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE. I KNOW YOU'VE ALSO HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST, AND MISS ANDERSON MENTIONED THE INCOME TAX INCREASE. I ACTUALLY POSED THIS QUESTION TO MR. BOSA THE OTHER DAY ABOUT, HEY, IS THIS CITY GOING TO NEED THAT INCOME TAX NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IF WE DO A COMMUNITY CENTER OR NOT? AND I BELIEVE WE SAID SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO MOST LIKELY ANYWAYS. IT'S NOT TIED DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND COST OF EVERYTHING GOING UP IN OUR IN OUR CITY. SO WHAT PORTION OF THAT MIGHT BE USED FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING THE COMMUNITY CENTER? WHO KNOWS? I WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF THOSE POINTS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD AS WELL. YEAH. AND, AND AND BACK TO THE WHOLE THIRD PARTY THAT CINDY MENTIONED. THE REYNOLDSBURG HAS A I THINK IT'S OHIO HEALTH TIED TO THEIR REC

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CENTER IN REYNOLDSBURG. I KNOW UPPER ARLINGTON HAS SOME LEASE SPACE IN THEIR NEW RECREATIONAL CENTER. SO IT IS VERY COMMON THAT OH, IT'S VERY I BELIEVE THE Y ACTUALLY HAS ESTATE IN THERE. IN THERE AS WELL. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO JUST LOTS OF LITTLE PIECES OUT THERE. YEAH I MEAN I AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND. AND THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. YOU KNOW LET'S TAKE THIS SCENARIO AND RUN IT TO THE END AND SEE OKAY WHERE DO WE END UP. DO WE ARE WE DOING DID WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THE WITH THE PARTNERSHIP MODEL SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY COMPARE WHAT THOSE END RESULTS WOULD BE.

WE HAVE NOT YET AGAIN THROUGH FEEDBACK THAT WAS DRIVING COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY ON THIS AND THROUGH FEEDBACK FROM THE PARK BOARD. THE DECISION WAS LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS LARGE CITY OPERATED, CITY OWNED MODEL AND LET'S WORK TO GET THAT. AND SO REALLY, WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT OF HAVING THE SITE DETERMINED, BECAUSE WHERE WE ARE IN THIS SPACE IS IN 2025, WE PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET FOR 26 TO BEGIN NEXT STEPS WITH AND IF WE CAN BEGIN NEXT STEPS WITH NOW, WE WOULD BE SAVING MONEY AS YEARS CONTINUE TO GO ON THE DESIGN, THE ARCHITECTURAL COSTS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE. SO WE PUT INTO THE BUDGET 8 MILLION. THANK YOU CINDY $8 MILLION FOR 2026 TO START THE PROCESS WITH. BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SITE FIRST. THEY CAN'T DO ANY DESIGNS. SO I DO RECOGNIZE THE THOUGHT ABOUT THE HOW, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO GET TO THE WHAT WE'RE DOING FIRST. ARE WE DOING ONE LARGE MULTI-GENERATIONAL AND WHAT SITE IS IT HAPPENING ON? AND THEN WE DETERMINE HOW LATER. BUT LAST COMMENT REGARDING THE WHY. JUST THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO FROM WARD THREE, THE MAJORITY OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN IN THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAVE BEEN SAYING, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PARAPHRASE, WHY ARE WE NOT WORKING WITH THE WHY THAT THAT BY BY FAR HAS BEEN THE MAJORITY OF THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN. I DO WANT TO ALSO ADD A VERY CLARIFYING POINT AS WELL. SO WITHIN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AGAIN, THERE WERE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS BROUGHT FORTH, RIGHT? ONE BEING THE INCOME TAX PIECE. AND THANK YOU, MISS BURROUGHS, FOR THAT BACKGROUND OR CONTEXT ON THAT MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN. ANYWAYS, THE OTHER PIECE WAS THE TIF BEING EXTENDED, THE PINNACLE TIF BEING EXTENDED FOR 15 YEARS. SO WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, IT WAS VERY CLEAR IN AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TIF LEGISLATION GOES. WHEN YOU UTILIZE THAT FOR CAPITAL COSTS, IT HAS TO BE A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED PROJECT AND OPERATED AND OPERATED. IT CANNOT BE A PARTNERSHIP. SO THE TIF WAS EXTENDED ON THE PRECIPICE OF COUNCIL, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. FIRST OF ALL, MR. BARROSO. YES. DID YOU SAY AND THEN I WANT TO BRING THIS BACK. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE, NOT WHO'S RUNNING THINGS. SO WE NEED TO COME TO CONCLUSIONS ON THE SITE AND I YES, THROUGH FINANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE CAN LOOK AT. YES. WELL THE ONLY REASON I WANTED TO GET IN THERE IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRYER. YEAH. AND THE WHY IS THERE THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND THANK YOU ONLY THERE FOR, BECAUSE OF THIS SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE PUT ON IT WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US, AND THAT IS THAT THE WHY WOULD NOT BE ON THAT SITE. RIGHT? RIGHT. YEAH. IT WOULD NOT BE THAT THAT'S A BIG THING.

THAT'S A THAT'S A BIG DECISION IN MY OPINION. YEAH. AND I DO WANT TO GIVE A FEW MINUTES TO THE PARK BOARD AS WELL. PRESIDENT BARRY, AFTER ALL THIS TO AT LEAST SHARE KIND OF THEIR THOUGHTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT COUNCIL CAN HEAR FROM THE PARK BOARD. BUT MR. BOZO, I THINK YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. NO. OKAY, OKAY. MR. HOLT, PLEASE, I KNOW YEAH, I'M STILL TALKING ON THE OTHER SUBJECT, BUT I FEEL COMPELLED TO TALK ABOUT A MULTI-GENERATION FACILITY, SO THAT'S MOST INTERESTING TO ME IS KIDS AND OUR SENIOR CITIZEN CULTURE. AND I WANT THEM TO BE IN A FACILITY THAT IS RUN BY GROVE CITY AND BE GREETED BY GROVE CITY PEOPLE AND THEN HAVE AN AVENUE TO DEAL WITH GROVE CITY IF SOMETHING'S BAD OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. I WANT IT TO BE A GROVE CITY EXPERIENCE. I WANT THE GROVE CITY NAME ON IT, AND I WANT TO OWN IT. AND WE TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SENIORS AND GROVE CITY. I'LL REMIND EVERYONE WE'VE PASSED ALL KINDS OF DISCRIMINATION LEGISLATION IN THE LAST YEARS AND ACCESS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHO I

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WANT. RUNNING THAT FACILITY IS GROVE CITY. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY MY OPINION, BUT THAT'S WHERE I SPEAK FROM. SO ONLY GROVE CITY RESIDENTS CAN WORK THERE. IT'S JUST RUN BY GROVE CITY. AND IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, I THINK, MR. HOLT, WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY. BECAUSE, MR. STERN, WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS AN OPTION. AND I AGREE, MR. BERRY, WE DO NEED TO GET BACK TO THE SITE SELECTION. BUT, MR. STERN, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, BUT MAYBE THE Y IS SOMEHOW MANAGING SOMETHING. I THINK, MR. HOLT, YOU BRING TO THE FOREFRONT OF THEN POTENTIALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND AND THAT NOT BEING THE EXPERIENCE LIKE YOU SAID, THAT IS YOU ARE IF THERE ARE ISSUES, IF THERE ARE THINGS TO SOLVE, WHO ARE YOU GOING TO ARE YOU COMING TO THE CITY JUST LIKE YOU ARE WITH BIG SPLASH, JUST LIKE YOU ARE? IF YOU'VE RENTED A PARK FACILITY IN OUR PARKS AND THERE IS AN ISSUE, ARE YOU COMING TO THE CITY TO RESOLVE THAT OR IS IT A THIRD PARTY? SO DEFINITELY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. BUT AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF BRING US BACK TO SITES. SO IS SOMEBODY FROM THE PARK BOARD WANTING TO COME FORWARD AND SHARE YOUR RECOMMENDATION AS A BODY FROM THE PARK BOARD? THANK YOU.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SAME CLARK, CHAIR OF GROVE CITY PARK BOARD. DO I HAVE TO GIVE MY ADDRESS AND ALL THAT? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A YEAH. 5382 FOREST GLEN DRIVE.

GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD. FOUR. THREE. ONE. TWO THREE. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR, ON BEHALF OF GROVE CITY PARKS AND REC, I'M HERE TO PRESENT. YOU GUYS GOT THE LETTER THAT WE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR SITES. YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE YMCA A LOT. THE YMCA THAT WAS WITH BIG STIPULATIONS. AS WE'VE SAID, IT WAS US BUYING OUT THE LEASE, TAKING OVER THE BUILDING, MAKING IT A GROSS CITY OWNED BUILDING. BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG, WE HAVE MET WITH CITIZENS, WE'VE SHARED DINNER WITH THEM. WE'VE SAT AT THE ON THE PATIO AT PINNACLE WITH THEM, AND EVERYTHING COMES BACK TO PLEASE MAKE IT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, PLEASE. AND IT'S LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER HOLT SAID. IT'S ACCOUNTABILITY AND IT'S WE CAN CONTROL THE PROGRAMING AND WE CAN CONTROL WHERE THE MONEY GOES AND HOW IT'S SPENT. SO OUR SITES THAT WE AGREED ON ONE IS NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE. MR. SMITH SAID. WELL, ACTUALLY TWO, THEY WERE THE W PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY. WE ALSO LIKED THE FRIAR PARK, BUT LIKE I SAID, WITH STIPULATIONS. AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WAS PINNACLE PARK.

THAT WAS BECAUSE IF THE FIRST TWO WEREN'T AVAILABLE, THIS WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND ACQUISITION. WE THOUGHT TO MEET ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS. WE ALSO RECOMMENDED PRESERVING THE EXISTING WOODED ACREAGE TO MAINTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL INTEGRITY AND ALLOW FOR FUTURE OUTDOOR PROGRAMING. BECAUSE THAT'S ONE THING WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IS HAVING SOMETHING OF A CENTER LIKE WHAT DARBY CREEK HAS, WHERE IT'S WE CAN GO IN AND SEE WHAT'S IN THAT AREA. WE CAN DO KIND OF A HANDS ON FOR THE KIDS. WE ALWAYS WE'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS KIND OF A COOL THING. AND TIMING MATTERS ON ALL THIS, TOO. I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AN INITIATIVE ON THE BALLOT, WE GOT TO GET GOING. WE GOT TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM THERE. WE GOT TO KEEP IT GOING. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND WE'RE READY. I MEAN, PARK BOARD IS READY TO DO WHATEVER YOU NEED US TO DO TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AS WELL. SO I HAD MORE YOU GOT MY LETTER, I BELIEVE, BUT MR. SMITH SQUASHED TWO OF THOSE. SO THE ONLY THING THAT I HAD WAS, WAS PINNACLE. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US. I HAVE A QUESTION. SORRY. GO AHEAD. SO I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF GROVE CITY RESIDENTS. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT I HEAR QUITE OFTEN IS WHY NOT BROOK PARK. AND I MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UTILIZING A PORTION OF THE BUILDING. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S LIKE MORE THAN HALF. AND IT IS, I UNDERSTAND, OWNED BY SOUTH-WESTERN CITY SCHOOLS FROM. CORRECT. HAS THAT BEEN FURTHER EXPLORED? I KNOW BIG SPLASH IS ALREADY THERE.

THERE'S ALREADY A DECENT SIZED PARKING LOT. WHAT ARE THOSE CONVERSATIONS LOOK LIKE? AND IT HAS BEEN EXPLORED. AND IT'S AND I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT, WHEN I FIRST TOURED BROOK PARK, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK. BUT THEN MAYOR TOOK ME THROUGH, WALKED THROUGH IT AGAIN. AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. DON'T GET ME. THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO IT.

I LOVE IT FOR A TEMPORARY WHILE. WE GET TO SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER, BETTER, MORE ADVANCED IN TECHNOLOGY, I MEAN, BROOK PARK, I MEAN, I WENT TO SCHOOL AT BROOK PARK, AND WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL AT BROOK PARK, IT WAS WHAT IT IS TODAY. I MEAN, IT'S WE NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO IF WE'RE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY, WE NEED SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A ATEMENT. YEP. AND I'LL ADD TO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DO WANT TO PROVIDE CLARITY THAT BROOK PARK WAS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THOSE 18 SITES. YES. SO THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE DID LOOK AT BROOK PARK. I HELD THAT SITE UP AGAINST ALL THE OTHER SITES WITH THE CRITERIA, AND IT

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DID NOT COME BACK INTO THE TOP FIVE. SO YEAH. SO IT WAS LOOKED AT. YES. THANK YOU. THANKS, SAM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES. ALL RIGHT. YOU VERY VALID POINTS THOUGH I MEAN AND I'M AND I'M WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE SITE SELECTION FOR A REC CENTER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE MIGHT NOT BE A DROP IN FACILITY PLACED SOMEPLACE ELSE TO THE NORTH OF THE OF, YOU KNOW, MAYBE BROOK PARK OR SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT EVENTUALLY. SO WE'RE NOT I DON'T THINK WE'RE RULING ANYTHING OUT LIKE THAT, A DROP IN FACILITY. THE DEFINITION OF THAT WOULD BE DROP INS, LIKE A SMALL RECREATIONAL FACILITY WHERE YOU HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS AND YOU HAVE PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ONE COURT INSTEAD OF SEVEN. YEAH, SOMETHING SOMETHING THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK TYPE OF THING THAT WE CAN DO. CENTER WITHOUT WALLS. OKAY. I WANT TO GET FOLKS MAYOR GO AHEAD. AND THEN I WANT WE GOT FIVE MINUTES AND I'M A STICKLER FOR THE TIME HERE. I WANT TO GET TO A CONCLUSION. SO GO AHEAD, MAYOR. WELL, I THINK IT'S ONLY LOGICAL THAT WE ALSO GO A TOP DOWN EXERCISE AS TO HOW MUCH WE CAN AFFORD. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THE PRESENTATION ON THE BITS AND PIECES OF DIFFERENT SITES AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COST. BUT AND I KNOW THE FINANCE COMMITTEE TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT WE'VE GOT MORE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE THAT. IT'S ONLY APPROPRIATE THAT THOSE NUMBERS BE SHARED AND BE SHARED TONIGHT.

SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE MR. BOZO GIVE HIS ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DETERMINE ON THE NUMBER SIDE. OKAY, OKAY. YES. YOU'VE QUICKLY, SIR. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AND AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE BY CHAIR ANDERSON, THE TIF FOR PINNACLE WAS EXTENDED FOR 15 YEARS. THAT GIVES ANOTHER 25 YEARS OF REVENUE, WHICH IS PROJECTED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $5 MILLION A YEAR, WHICH WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $175 MILLION. NOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY, AND IT CERTAINLY IS. BUT IN ORDER TO DO 188,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, THE PINNACLE TIF WILL NOT FINANCE THAT LARGE OF A PROJECT. AND THE INCOME TAX CERTAINLY WAS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. AND MANY COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COLUMBUS REGION HAVE INCREASED THEIR THEIR INCOME TAX FROM 2 TO 2.5%. I JUST MIGHT MENTION IT'S COLUMBUS, GRANDVIEW, WORTHINGTON, WHITEHALL, BEXLEY, UPPER ARLINGTON, OBETZ, REYNOLDSBURG, GAHANNA AND HILLIARD ALL HAVE TWO AND A HALF, AND THEY'VE DONE IT AND THEY'VE BEEN IN EFFECT FOR SOME OF THEM 20 YEARS. SO THAT WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $11 MILLION. SO THE DEBT SERVICE ON THAT BUILDING FOR 30 YEARS, THERE'LL BE EIGHT YEARS SHORT FROM THE PINNACLE REVENUE STREAM THAT WILL HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE CITY. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND WE HAVE TO TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WE WE CAN CERTAINLY AFFORD. NOW THAT 188,000 WAS THE THE BEST WISH LIST WE COULD EVER HAVE. AND AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE THE ARLINGTON FACILITY IS 165,000FT.

HOWEVER, 33,400FT■!S OF THAT IS LEASED BY OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY. SO I THINK THAT THERE'S WE'VE WE'VE GOT A I GUESS, AS THE MAYOR ALWAYS SAYS. CONTROL EXPECTATIONS, MANAGE EXPECTATIONS. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT THIS 188,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY MAY NOT BE $188,000, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE FUNDING TO DO A CENTER THAT WE ALL BE PROUD OF.

SO BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THE POINT HERE WHERE WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T THAT THAT WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PINNACLE PARK IS PROBABLY THE FIRST ON THE LIST AT THIS POINT. SO, I MEAN, I JUST WE COULD ASK COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU THINK PINNACLE PARK IS OUR FIRST IS OUR FIRST TARGET ON THIS LIST AS FAR AS HAVING THE ADMINISTRATION COME BACK WITH A SOME FEASIBILITY, SOME NUMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS WHAT WHAT DOES EVERYBODY THINK? JODY I YES, I THINK IT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START. ALAN I THINK THAT'S GOT SOME GREAT POSSIBILITIES. YEAH. RANDY, GO. WELL. DID HE SAY GO FOR OR NO GO. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

HOWEVER, I DO THINK BECAUSE TWO OUT OF THE FIVE LOCATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT ARE NOT AVAILABLE, THAT IT SHOULD BE SWITCHED OUT WITH TWO THAT WERE ON THE ORIGINAL 18 LIST. AND THEN WE RECONSIDER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I'M I'M NEW ON THE BOARD AND I JUST LOOK AT IT OBJECTIVELY. AND IT APPEARS TO ME THAT FAIR PARK IS THE BEST

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LOCATION BECAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF LAND, WE'VE GOT GOOD ACCESS. THE OTHER THE OTHER LOCATIONS SEEM LIKE THEY'RE A LITTLE CHOPPED UP, WOULD GIVE US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY. BUT AGAIN, I'M I'M COMING IN AT THE 11TH HOUR, SO THAT JUST IS A CONSTRUCTION GUY FOR 40 YEARS.

I LOOK AT THE I LOOK AT THE LAND AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PLACE THAT YOU COULD BUILD A FACILITY. SO I JUST MY OPINION. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I DO THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT MURFIN FIELDS THAT THERE'S STILL POTENTIAL CONVERSATIONS. CERTAINLY WOULD LOVE AN UPDATE OF THAT. BUT THERE'S STILL A COST THERE. AND TRAFFIC. YEAH. AND TRAFFIC. WE KNOW THAT STIPULATIONS HAVE NOT BEEN MET. THAT PUT FRIAR PARK IN THIS TOP SIX. ANYWAYS, PINNACLE PARK BEING CITY OWNED AND OPERATED ALREADY OR EXCUSE ME, PINNACLE PARK BEING CITY OWNED LAND AND FEEDBACK FROM THE PARK BOARD IN TERMS OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SITES THAT ALREADY BECAME UNAVAILABLE, I AGREE. I THINK PINNACLE PARK WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THE MOST SENSE FINANCIALLY TO LOOK AT. AND AGAIN, I JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING THE MOMENTUM. AS THE PARK BOARD HAS TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE FUNDS IN THE BUDGET THIS YEAR TO START WORKING WITH PEZZUTI ON CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS, AND TO BE ABLE TO SPEND A FEW MILLION DOLLARS TO GET THAT ALL OUT. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLEAR NEXT STEPS IN WHAT FEASIBILITY STUDIES OR WHAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO, OR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A SCOPE OF WORK AND ENGAGE PIZZUTI AND MOVE FORWARD. SO, MAYOR, AT THE NEXT MEETING, CAN THE ADMINISTRATION COME BACK TO US WITH, WITH WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR PINNACLE PARK? CAN THEY CAN YOU DO THAT? YOU SAY A FEASIBILITY STUDY. IT'S ALREADY FEASIBLE TO LOCATE THAT FACILITY. OKAY. SO WE'LL RESOLUTION. ARE WE AT THE POINT THEN OF DRIVING TOWARDS THAT SCOPE OF WORK WITH PIZZUTI TO UTILIZE THE BUDGET FUNDS? THOSE WERE THE NEXT STEPS DISCUSSED FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND IF MAJORITY ARE AMICABLE TO PINNACLE PARK, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN IN TERMS OF TO START THE DESIGN ITSELF, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SITE. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, THE HILLYARD FACILITIES, A TWO STORY FACILITY, IT WORKS WELL.

THE UPPER ARLINGTON FACILITY, I THINK IS A FIVE STORY FACILITY ON TWO ACRES. SO IF THE DECISION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A CENTER AT PINNACLE PARK, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND WE'LL GO INTO TO DESIGN. OKAY, IF I COULD, MR. GEORGE. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION OF MR. HOLT. HE'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FAR LONGER THAN I HAVE. AND HE HE VOTED NO ON THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. I WAS I SAID I MEANT TO SAY IT WAS GO, OH GO. OH I THOUGHT YOU SAID NO.

OKAY. GOT IT. I HEARD THE SAME THING. I'M LIKE, DID HE SAY GO. LET ME CLEAR THAT UP. LET ME CLARITY AND LET ME GO. YEAH, I WAS RUNNING. LET ME STATE ONE OTHER THING. ONE THING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL ALONG THE WAY IS THAT THE BALL FIELDS AND THE AND THE COMPETITION FIELDS PROBABLY WILL NOT BE LOCATED AT THE SAME LOCATION AS THE, AS THE REC CENTER ITSELF. SO THOSE COULD BE AT FRIAR PARK IN ANOTHER. I WANT TO SAY IT WASN'T SAID ALL ALONG. RIGHT.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE DID LOOK AT SPACES THAT HAD ENOUGH ACREAGE, HEARTH AND HEARTH PROPERTY. AND RM HOOVER, FOR INSTANCE, RANKED HIGH BECAUSE THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE BOTH. SO BUT IT WAS KNOWING THAT IF THE LAND DIDN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT, THEN IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY PHASED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION. WELL, YEAH. SO I GUESS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, THREE YEARS. YOU KNOW, SOME OF US ARE JUST NOW COMING IN. SO, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS STARTED BECAUSE A SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS STATED THAT THEY WANTED A STANDALONE RECREATION CENTER. AT WHAT POINT DO WE ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AGAIN TO HEAR WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER TO BE LOCATED? I, I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC ALL ALONG. THE PARK BOARD HAS BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC. THE SURVEYS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN HIRED HAVE BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC. WE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN SPECIFIC TO LOCATION. YEAH. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AT 631, WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THAT'S GOING TO START. SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN PICK UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT TO TO TRY TO DRAW MORE OF THIS OUT. BUT, BUT WE'VE GOT A HARD STOP AT 630 AND SO WE CAN PICK THIS UP LATER IN THE MEETING. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I WANT TO THANK THE PARK BOARD. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE AND BEING SO INVOLVED. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING INTO CAUCUS NOW, AND WE WILL RECONVENE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Feb 17, 2026 Special City Council

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