Mar 24, 2026 Special City Council

[*This meeting was joined in progress.*]

[Proposed Community Center]

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BE IN THERE RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE REALIZE WE HAVE 117 STAFF MEMBERS, INCLUDING

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AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ANYWHERE FROM 60 TO 75 ADDITIONAL PART TIME POSITIONS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS FACILITY. REVENUE MODEL. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. SO WHAT WOULD GO ON IN A COMMUNITY CENTER AND HOW WOULD WE GAIN REVENUE? YOUTH SPORTS LEAGUES, ADULT SPORTS LEAGUES, FITNESS CLASSES, AQUATIC LESSONS, AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS WITHIN THAT. SENIOR PROGRAMS, RENTALS, SPECIALTY CLASSES AND WORKSHOPS. BIRTHDAY PARTIES, COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SPECIAL EVENTS, DAY PASSES. AND THERE'S MORE THAT WOULD GO ON MEMBERSHIPS I LISTED LAST YEAR. BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A MEMBERSHIP MODEL COMMUNITY CENTER. THIS WOULD HAVE PUBLIC SPACES THAT WE'D BE BRINGING IN PEOPLE, AND WE WOULD DO OUR SPORTS PROGRAMS IN HERE. SO THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY USED REGARDLESS IF OUR MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN EXPECTED OR HIGHER THAN EXPECTED. YEAR ONE REVENUE PROJECTIONS. THIS IS BASED ON MEMBERSHIPS OF AROUND 3800 MEMBERSHIPS. WHAT DID YOU BASE THAT OFF OF? WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE NEXT SCREEN OR TWO HERE.

ABOUT THE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP RATES? YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE NEXT SCREEN OR TWO. PROGRAMING A. NET OUTCOME BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S INCREMENTAL COSTS WITH

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AQUATIC PROGRAMS, FACILITY RENTALS, AND THEN EVEN DAY PASSES WOULD BE INCLUDED IN REVENUE. SO WE HAVE REVENUE PROJECTION OF ABOUT $2.8 MILLION. MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP PRICE TOLERANCE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TOLERANCE FIRST. PROS CONSULTING DID DID BREAK THIS DOWN FOR US OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY. AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE PERCENTAGES FELL. SO ADULTS WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $34 PER MONTH. 60% OF THE ADULTS RESPONDED IN FAVOR OF THAT PRICE RANGE. SENIORS 14 TO $19.50 1% OF SENIORS SAID THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY THAT MONTHLY FEE FOR THIS, FOR THIS. AND THEN A FAMILY OF FOUR, WHICH IS IMPORTANT, 50 TO $74 IS THE PRICE RANGE, AND 60% CAME IN FROM OUR COMMUNITY, SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY THAT. SO THAT PRICE TOLERANCE IS IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE CHARGING. SO IN THIS FIRST COLUMN HERE ON THIS SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE A GROVE CITY RANGE. WE WANTED TO GIVE A LOW END TO A HIGH END OF WHAT WE POSSIBLY COULD CHARGE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THERE. IN THE NEXT FEW COLUMNS YOU'LL SEE WESTERVILLE, HILLIARD, UPPER ARLINGTON, AND THEN OF COURSE THE GROVE CITY YMCA. THESE ARE ALL JUST REPRESENT PUBLISHED NUMBERS ON THEIR WEBSITES. SO WE JUST PULLED THESE OFF OF THEIR. SO YOU CAN SEE IN THAT PRICE RANGE, MOST OF THESE, THESE, THESE RANGES ARE RIGHT IN LINE WITH WITH WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SAID. THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY AS WELL. QUESTION. YEAH. JACK. AND THEN THERE'S FURTHER STRATIFICATION OF MEMBERSHIP CHARGES. I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED LIKE IF YOU'RE GROVE CITY RESIDENT VERSUS JACKSON TOWNSHIP RESIDENT. YES. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE DAY PASSES, WHICH YOU DID MENTION. SO, SO MULTIPLE LAYERS OF MEMBERSHIP BASED ON WHERE YOU'RE AT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS, THAT'S A GREAT POINT FOR THIS. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRO FORMA, WE LOOKED AT JACKSON TOWNSHIP AND GROVE CITY AS ONE AS ONE RESIDENT FEE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT RESIDENT FEES. I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW WE TALK ABOUT MEMBERSHIPS HERE. WE TALK ABOUT ADULT SENIORS, FAMILY MEMBER FOR THERE'S A THERE'S A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WE CAN GET AS COMPLICATED AS WE WANT. SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO GO DO LAP SWIMMING. ONLY WE CAN HAVE A MEMBERSHIP FOR THAT. SOMEBODY HAS A FAMILY OF SIX. WE CAN ADD, YOU KNOW, 5 OR 10 BUCKS A MONTH TO THE TO THE FEE ON TOP OF FAMILY OF FOUR. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIP MODELS. I TRIED TO KEEP THIS AS BASIC AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR COMPREHENSION FOR TONIGHT.

YEAH. SO I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THIS SLIDE HERE. SO NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS. THE FIRST COLUMN. THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER OF WHAT WE COULD EXPECT IN YEAR ONE 3800 MEMBERSHIPS. AGAIN I BROKE IT DOWN INTO HIGH LEVEL MEMBERSHIPS OF FAMILY, ADULT AND SENIORS. AND I USE THE BARE MINIMUM. YOU RECALL OUR PRICE RANGE WENT FROM MINIMUM LOWEST AMOUNT TO HIGHEST AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD CHARGE. I'M USING THE LOWEST AMOUNT HERE TO REPRESENT THIS PRO FORMA. SO A FAMILY OF FOUR IS 70 BUCKS A MONTH OR $840 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. AN ADULT, A SINGLE ADULT COULD PAY $30 A MONTH OR $360 FOR THE YEAR, AND A SENIOR COULD PAY $15 A MONTH, OR $180 FOR THE YEAR. THIS ALLOWS FULL ACCESS. THAT'S A QUESTION THAT COMES UP.

THIS IS FULL ACCESS TO THE FACILITY. SO NOT ONLY THE FITNESS, WELLNESS, AQUATICS AREAS, BUT THE OTHER AREAS AS WELL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE PICKLEBALL MEMBERSHIP TO, TO GO PLAY PICKLEBALL OR MOVE THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. SO BASED ON THIS, AND I WANT, AND I DO WANT TO ADD THAT 3800. I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE HAD A QUESTION? KEEP GOING PLEASE.

3800 MEMBERS IS QUITE CONSERVATIVE. WE TRIED TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE ON OUR

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SO 3800 IS IS A LOW NUMBER. TO GIVE YOU REFERENCE TO THAT, THE CITY OF HILLIARD, WHICH JUST OPENED UP THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER IS RIGHT AROUND IN THEIR FIRST YEAR, RIGHT AROUND 7000 MEMBERS. AND UPPER ARLINGTON CITY, UPPER ARLINGTON, THEIR COMMUNITY CENTERS RIGHT AROUND 11,000 MEMBERS RIGHT NOW. CAN YOU SAY THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, PLEASE? SO CITY OF HILLIARD IS RIGHT AROUND 7000 MEMBERSHIPS IN THEIR FIRST YEAR, AND UPPER ARLINGTON IS RIGHT AROUND 11,000. AND THOSE ARE MEMBERSHIPS, NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL. LIKE IF IT'S A FAMILY OF THREE, IT'S COUNTING AS ONE FOR MEMBERSHIP OF THOSE 7000. AND SAME WITH THE 3800.

SO THESE 2000 FOR FAMILIES, IT'S NOT JUST 2000 PEOPLE. IT'S REALLY AN AVERAGE OF A FAMILY OF THREE. WE'RE LOOKING AT 6000 PEOPLE. BUT YOU'RE COUNTING THIS AS MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS, CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN A QUESTION HERE, I WOULD. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE AS A CITY ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL, AS WE REVIEW THE BUDGET EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITY. WE WOULD SEE THESE NUMBERS. WE WOULD SEE HOW THE YEAR PLAYED OUT, MAKING DECISIONS FOR THAT COST RECOVERY THROUGHOUT THE BUDGETING SEASON AND CONTINUING TO BE ABLE TO EBB AND FLOW, EVOLVE MEMBERSHIPS AND UNDERSTAND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT JUST THE CAPITAL COST TO BUILD THE FACILITY. THERE'S ALSO THE MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP AND THE SUBSIDY AMOUNT. SO THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL BUCKETS. AND THEY WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE EVALUATED ON A YEARLY BASIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. YES. QUESTION. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE COST THAT HE'S PUTTING INTO THESE NUMBERS AND THE PRO FORMA DOES NOT AMORTIZE CAPITAL UNLIKE A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, WHEN YOU HAVE TO AMORTIZE DEPRECIATION. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS BECOMES A GIFT AND IT'S NOT AMORTIZABLE. BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND THAT THERE ARE COSTS INVOLVED IN FINANCING THE, THE DEBT AND THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES. THANK YOU. SO THAT TAKES US TO OUR COST RECOVERY. LOOK AT THE THE WHOLE MODEL. YOU SEE OUR ANNUAL OPERATING, OUR TOTAL REVENUE THAT'S PROJECTED. AND THE SUBSIDY AMOUNT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OVER 1.1 MILLION. THIS BRINGS US IN RIGHT HERE AT A 71% COST RECOVERY, WELL WITHIN OUR TARGET. BUT WE'D LIKE TO SHOOT FOR THAT 75%, BUT ANYWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 80 IS REALLY GOOD. MOST CITIES, WHEN THEY BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY TYPICALLY TRY TO BE RIGHT AROUND THAT, THAT RATE THAT 70 TO 80%. AS YOU WILL RECALL FROM LOOKING AT THE PROS CONSULTING FEASIBILITY STUDY, THEY ACTUALLY DID A PRO FORMA THAT HAD US REACHING 100% COST RECOVERY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE, BUT THAT HAS TO BE A DECISION FROM ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL. THIS EFFORT HERE WAS TO KEEP IT BETWEEN 70 AND 80%, KEEP IT SUBSIDY AND KEEP THE MONTHLY MEMBERSHIP RATES AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. SO A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS IS GOOD. JACK.

JUST GOING BACK TO THIS PAGE, COST RECOVERY. THE WORD SUBSIDY TO YOU MEANS THAT'S 1.1 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT HAD TO, TO HELP SUPPLEMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THERE'S $1.1 MILLION THAT OR $1.2 MILLION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. YEP. SO A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS. YOU KNOW, IN THE MODEL THAT I'M GIVING YOU, 48% OF OUR REVENUE IS COMING FROM MEMBERSHIP FEES. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST A MEMBERSHIP MODEL. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL REVENUE COMING FROM OTHER SOURCES THAT ARE LISTED HERE. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR MEMBERSHIP GROWTH FORECAST. AGAIN THIS IS CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS. YEAR 138 IS WHAT WE BASE THE PRO FORMA OFF OF. BUT YEAR TWO WE'D BE AT 4500 AND THEN YEAR THREE PLUS WE'D BE AT 5000. SO LOOKING AT TAKING THAT AND EXPANDING THAT OUT, YOU CAN SEE HOW OUR COST RECOVERY ACTUALLY GROWS OVER THAT FIRST THREE YEAR TIME PERIOD WITH THOSE. THIS IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT INCREASES IN EXPENSES AND REVENUES AS TIME GOES ON. YOU WOULD I THINK GOING OUT THREE YEARS IS REALLY STRONG BECAUSE THEN NOW WE HAVE TIME TO ADJUST. WE HAVE DATA THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS ON HOW TO ADJUST OUR PROGRAMING, OUR MEMBERSHIP MODEL OR RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO. ONE QUESTION THAT COMES UP, AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION, IS HOW BIG IS THE UNIVERSE? SO

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I THINK THE MODEL WOULD BE THAT WE'D BREAK EVEN IN TERMS OF THEIR THEIR RENT THAT THEY WOULD PAY WOULD COVER THAT DEBT SERVICE. AND THE EXAMPLE THAT MR. HOLT GAVE IS IN UPPER ARLINGTON. THEY HAVE 165,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY. OSU RENTS 33,000FT■!S IN HILLIARD. THEY HAVE 111,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITIES. OSU RENTS 25,000. SO OUR MODEL WOULD BE THAT CERTAINLY THEY WOULD PAY THAT ADDITIONAL DEBT SERVICE THAT WOULD INCORPORATE WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY WOULD NEED. SO IT ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD A LARGER SPACE THAT TO BE THAT CAN BE OCCUPIED, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE PROFITABILITY NUMBERS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER MUCH OTHER THAN CREATING MORE PEOPLE THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND AGAIN, IN ARLINGTON'S MODEL, WHAT WHAT THEY'RE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, IS THAT THEIR LEASE IS FOR 15 YEARS. THEY FIGURE IN 15 YEARS THEY WOULD NEED TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY. WELL, THE OSU LEASE WOULD BE OUT. THEY WOULD MOVE OUT AND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD TAKE OVER THAT. THAT 33,000FT■!.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THEY'RE NOT THAT EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NOT IN THIS IN THIS PROGRAM. SO THIS THIS SORRY. GO AHEAD. GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE. HOW BIG IS THE UNIVERSE? I JUST WANT TO VERIFY BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JACKSON TOWNSHIP A MINUTE AGO WITH KIND OF THE POTENTIAL WITH MEMBERSHIP FEES. IS THIS POPULATION, WE SAID WITHIN THE GROVE CITY LIMITS. SO IT'S NOT INCLUDING JACKSON TOWNSHIP. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND I I'D HAVE TO REFER BACK TO THE CONSULTANT. IT'S ONLY GROVE CITY IS GROVE CITY. THE POPULATION IS 40. YEAH. OKAY.

JACKSON'S ABOUT 50,600 MAYBE JACKSON TOWNSHIP IS ABOUT 50,000. OKAY. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS. YEP. SO THIS THIS NEXT SLIDE SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO RECREATION PROVIDERS. AND YOU SEE THESE IN A LOT OF CITIES. THESE ARE VERY SIMILAR. YOU KNOW, IF ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RECREATION SORT OF BRINGS IS COMPETITION, IT'S NATURAL. YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS POP UP WITHIN THE SAME CITY COMPETING WITH ONE. IN RECREATION, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. YOU HAVE A RECREATION ECOSYSTEM WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF PROVIDERS DOING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. SO HERE YOU SEE YMCA, CHURCH BASED YOUTH LEAGUES, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, FITNESS GYMS, BOUTIQUE FITNESS STUDIOS, DANCE AND GYMNASTICS STUDIOS, YOUTH SPORTS TRAINING. WE DEAL WITH ALL THIS RIGHT NOW, TODAY, AND WHAT WE PROVIDE CURRENTLY, AND ALL THIS WOULD STILL EXIST IN A FUTURE SETTING. THE EFFECTS OF A COMMUNITY CENTER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. SO. THE SOURCE OF THIS INFORMATION IS FROM INDUSTRY BENCHMARK BENCHMARKS FOR NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION ASSOCIATION AND OTHER COMPARABLE ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO FEASIBILITY STUDIES. PROS LIKE PROS, CONSULTING AND BARRY DUNN AND ETC. THESE ARE STANDARDS AND PERCENTAGES THAT THEY USE ON THE EFFECTS OF BRINGING IN A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER ON THAT RECREATION ECOSYSTEM THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN YOUR CITY. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT. AND I WANT TO JUMP TO THE MIDDLE COLUMN FIRST. TRANSFERS FROM EXISTING PROVIDERS. SO THAT

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AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. NEW RECREATION IS MAYBE THEY'RE DOING RECREATION AT HOME ON THEIR OWN, OR MAYBE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PART OF OUR PARKS AND REC ENTITY RIGHT NOW IN ANY SHAPE, WAY OR FORM. BUT IF WE HAVE COMMUNITY SPACE AND WE'RE DOING DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY COME AND THEY JOIN AND THEY PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY EXPECT ANYWHERE FROM THE LOW END OF 40% TO THE HIGH END, DEPENDING ON ON YOUR COMMUNITY AND THE OTHER PROVIDERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY OF UPWARDS TO 60% BEING NEW MEMBERS, NEW TO RECREATION. AND I THINK THAT'S OUTSTANDING. PREVIOUSLY INACTIVE IS ALSO IMPORTANT. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT NUMBER. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE LOWEST NUMBER THAT'S IN HERE, BUT YOU CAN EXPECT ABOUT CONSERVATIVELY, 26% OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH RECREATION AND NOT PARTICIPATING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM RIGHT NOW TO GET UP AND COME JOIN THE FACILITY AND START WORKING OUT. SO I THINK THIS SPEAKS TO THE ABILITY TO EXPAND AND GROW WITH, EVEN WITH OUR CURRENT PROVIDERS AND BRINGING OUT NEW MEMBERS.

AND, AND I THINK IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF A HEALTHY AND ACTIVE COMMUNITY, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WANT. SO AGAIN, IT'S MORE THAN A MEMBERSHIP MODEL. WE'RE DOING COMMUNITY CLASSES, FITNESS, ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT, YOUTH DEVELOPMENT IN HERE, YOUTH AND ADULT SPORTS FACILITIES, RENTALS, COMMUNITY USE, AQUATICS AND AND WELLNESS. THIS ALL, WE'RE NOT RELYING ON JUST MEMBERSHIPS TO KEEP THE FACILITY GOING AND SUSTAINABLE.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY. AND FLEXIBILITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE ABOUT HAVING A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITY THAT WE CAN ADJUST TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY RECREATION TRENDS. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. PROBABLY 15 YEARS AGO, NOBODY WAS OR VERY FEW PEOPLE WERE PLAYING PICKLEBALL. THERE WASN'T A DEMAND FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS INDOOR OR OUTDOORS. AND THOSE THAT DID PLAY JUST STARTED PLAYING AND SHARING ON TENNIS COURTS. AND NOW WE'VE EVOLVED INTO A DIFFERENT TREND WHERE THERE'S PICKLEBALL SPECIFIC COURTS. AND NO MATTER HOW, NO MATTER HOW MANY YOU PUT IN A COMMUNITY, THERE'S ALWAYS THE DEMAND FOR MORE. YOU ALWAYS HEAR THAT VOICE. WE WANT MORE AND MORE AND MORE. SO TRENDS CHANGE, RECREATIONAL TRENDS CHANGE. WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR THAT AND BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ADAPT AND CHANGE TO IT. SO AS WE LOOK AT NEXT STEPS, I THINK THE BIG DECISION HERE IS, AND WHAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE IS AS MUCH INFORMATION TO ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT OUR OPERATIONAL MODELS GOING TO BE, WHICH WOULD LEAD INTO A SITE SELECTION AS WELL. ONCE WE HAVE A SITE SELECTION, I THINK THEN WE CAN START TO ISSUE RFPS FOR A THIRD PARTY VENDOR AND, AND ALSO START TO COMPLETE A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, WHICH MEANS THAT NOW WE KNOW WHAT AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FACILITY ONCE WE KNOW WHAT AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE ACTUALLY IN THE FACILITY AND NOT JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE AND DEVELOP A DETAILED NOT ONLY CAPITAL COSTS, BUT ALSO REFINE THE OPERATING PRO FORMA. AND I THINK THAT BRINGS ME TO A CONCLUSION TONIGHT OF OUR OF MY PRESENTATION, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. YEAH, I DO, AND I'M SURE OTHERS WILL HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS TO TALK THROUGH. AND, AND I THINK AS WE GO THROUGH TONIGHT AND GO THROUGH THE NEXT PRESENTATION, WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, JACK, THAT WILL PROBABLY CALL ME CALL YOU BACK UP. BUT I THINK WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FOR A SECOND, MORE THAN A MEMBERSHIP MODEL, THE SLIDE RIGHT BEFORE THIS, TALKING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY CLASSES, OUR YOUTH AND ADULT SPORTS, OUR FACILITY RENTALS. I THINK JUST HOW I WANT TO ROUND OUT MORE OF A STATEMENT IS THROUGH THESE LAST FEW YEARS OF THE WORK SESSIONS AND THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, I THINK WE'VE TRULY IDENTIFIED THAT AS A WHOLE. WE AS A CITY NEED MORE SPACE FOR OUR PROGRAMING NEEDS, AND I THINK YOU CAN CONTINUE TO ARTICULATE THAT. FOR INSTANCE, YOU MENTIONED HERE WE DON'T OWN SPACES TO BE ABLE TO PROGRAM YOUTH REC BASKETBALL, YOUTH REC VOLLEYBALL OR PICKLEBALL. IS THAT CORRECT? AND NOW TO THE PRECIPICE OF HAVING INDOOR

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WE DO SOMETIMES FIND FACE BARRIERS WHERE IF, FOR INSTANCE, A SCHOOL, MAYBE THE PERSON WHO WAS ON STAFF WHO WOULD BE THERE TO OPEN THE SCHOOL NEEDED TO COULD NOT BE THERE, AND THAT SCHOOL HAD TO CLOSE FOR THAT EVENING. OUR YOUTH REC PROGRAM MIGHT BE WITHOUT A SPACE, WHETHER IT'S EVEN, YOU KNOW, KNOWN 24 HOURS AHEAD OF TIME OR SOMETIMES KNOWN THAT EVENING.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN HAPPENING TODAY? AM I ARTICULATING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S REALLY THAT'S SPOT ON. YES, IT HAPPENS TODAY. OKAY. AND I THINK WE'VE ALSO SEEN IT WITH A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND BROOK PARK AND THE REQUEST TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR TO BE ABLE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING INTO BROOK PARK TO START PROGRAMING THERE, TO NOT ONLY FULFILL SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE HAD TO DO SHOUT OUTS, I GUESS WAITLISTS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE FULFILLED THROUGH OUR CURRENT KINGSTON AND THE PROGRAMING THERE. ARE YOU SEEING A HUGE INCREASE WITH THE PROGRAMING THAT IS NOW HAPPENING AT BROOK PARK? I'VE CERTAINLY SEEN LOTS OF NEW THINGS AND SOME SPLATTER PAINT CLASSES AND THINGS THAT I'VE SEEN ON SOCIAL AND THROUGH FRIENDS THAT I'VE SHARED THAT ARE YOU. GETTING TO A POINT WHERE YOU'RE EVEN ALMOST OUTGROWING THE PROGRAMING THAT YOU'VE STARTED TO OPERATE THERE AND, AND CONTINUE TO SEE SUCH A GREAT NEED THAT WE AS A CITY NEED MORE SPACE. SO OUR, OUR STAFF HAS WIDELY EMBRACED THIS CHALLENGE OF OFFERING NEW CLASSES TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO THEY'RE REALLY STRIVING, AS YOU RECALL, THIS COUNCIL JUST GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD ON BROOK PARK, I THINK, LATE NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR. AND SO WE DID OUR BEST TO RUSH AND GET CLASSES SET FOR JANUARY, BUT WE'RE GROWING. WE HAD A STAFF MEETING THE OTHER DAY WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IN FALL, EVERY ROOM SPACE THAT IS ALLOTTED TO US WILL BE ACTIVELY PROGRAMED IN BROOK PARK AND STARTING IN THE FALL. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR NOW. BUT PLEASE, WHO ELSE? OKAY, I TEND TO BE A NUMBERS GUY, SO I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. GREAT JOB HERE. JUST INITIALLY ASSUMING THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU PUT DOWN HERE IS CORRECT, WHICH I ASSUME, I THINK THAT YOUR SUBSIDY NUMBER IS HIGH. I THINK WITH THE YOUR CURRENT STAFF AND APPLYING THAT TO THE PERSONNEL, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PICK UP 300 GRAND THERE SOMEWHERE. OKAY. AND THEN I THINK THAT FROM THE HISTORICAL MEMBERSHIPS FROM SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, THAT'S PROBABLY LOW. SO I THINK BETWEEN THE TWO, THIS IS JUST ME 50,000 FOOT LEVEL LOOKING AT FINANCIALS ALL THE TIME. BUT I DID THROUGH MY LIFE. I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY BELOW WELL BELOW A MILLION, PROBABLY 850 SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. SO THAT'S VERY POSITIVE. AT LEAST FOR ME, THE, THE ONE THING THAT ISN'T IN THERE IS THE AMORTIZATION OF THE DEBT SERVICE FOR THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, WE PROBABLY WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS. AND AS A SIDE NOTE, I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE THIRD PARTIES UTILIZING THE FACILITY, WHICH WILL BE BRAND NEW FACILITY, I THINK THAT THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THERE AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A NET NEUTRAL BECAUSE THAT'LL OFFSET THE PRICE OF THAT. BUT OR THE COST OF THAT. EXCUSE ME. SO ANYWAY, GOOD JOB HELPING OUT A LOT. YES, MISTER. PLEASE. USE MINE. ONE THING THAT INTERESTS ME ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS THE. WE'VE HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT. JUST LIKE THE AQUATICS AND HOW THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF SCHOLASTIC AQUATIC LOCATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF GROVE CITY, IF WE WERE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH SOUTHWESTERN AND SOME OTHER SCHOOLS AND HAVE SCHOLASTIC EVENTS FOR SWIMMING IN GROVE CITY, THAT CREATES A DESTINATION NOW FOR GROVE CITY, WHICH THEN SUPPORTS BUSINESSES, HOTELS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. I MEAN, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GO TO IN GROVE CITY, YOU KNOW, WITH A BIG EVENT, AND THAT COULD BE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT, INDOOR OUTDOOR. SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING

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OKAY. AND SO THEN THAT SOME OF THOSE COSTS WOULD THEN GO AWAY, COST IT AT BROOK PARK WOULD BE KINGSTON OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. OKAY. HOW IN HERE YOU INCLUDED 600 SENIOR MEMBERSHIPS. HOW MANY MEMBERSHIPS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT OUR SENIOR CENTER? SO IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. IT'S NOT REALLY AN APPLES TO APPLES, BUT WE HAVE WE HAVE OVER 700 MEMBERS, I BELIEVE. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING. I COULD SEE THAT NUMBER EVEN INCREASING MORE. ABSOLUTELY 600. AND THEN HOW BIG IS THE UNIVERSE? HOSPITAL HOUSEHOLDS PARTICIPATING 30%. OBVIOUSLY THAT IS YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF OTHER RECREATIONAL PROVIDERS, YOU KNOW, THE YMCA, YOU KNOW, CHURCH BASED YOUTH LEAGUES, FITNESS GYMS, 30% I THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD AMOUNT OF THE RESIDENTS CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER PROVIDERS THAT WE HAVE.

SO I WAS, I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT, BUT I CAN SEE ALSO CONTINUING TO GROW AS WELL.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE IMPACT OF COMMUNITY CENTERS COMING INTO BRAND NEW COMMUNITY CENTERS, COMING INTO A COMMUNITY SHOWS THAT THE NUMBERS ACTUALLY INCREASE IN PARTICIPATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THIS TIME. PLEASE. SO YEAH, THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR THIS. AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT CAN DO THIS ON THEIR OWN. ABSOLUTELY. IT CERTAINLY IS IS A IS AN OPTION THAT CERTAINLY CAN STAND ON ITS OWN. I DID PARKS AND REC WHEN I WAS A KID. AND YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT A GREAT JOB EVERYBODY DOES. MY, MY, MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN MAINLY ON THE FISCAL SIDE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, ON THE COST SIDE OF THINGS REALLY IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT AREAS. SO FIRST IS THE CAPITAL, THE UPFRONT COST. THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PRESENTATION OF THE, OF FROM THE FINANCES AND ACTUALLY IN SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PUBLISHED ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. MR. STURM, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE TURNED ON? IT IS, BUT IT'S OVER THERE. IS THAT BETTER? ALL RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO SHARING TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THE WITH WITH THE CAPITAL COST IN THE LAST FINANCIAL THING PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT THE LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE POSTED OUT THERE, WHICH AGAIN, THAT WEBSITE IS, IS GREAT. I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S ALL OUT THERE. NOW THERE, THERE DEFINITELY WAS A GAP BETWEEN THE MONEY'S BECAUSE WE, WE IN THE LAST COUNCIL THERE WAS THE TIFF THAT WAS PASSED. IT WAS EXTENDED THE PINNACLE TIFF THAT WAS EXTENDED AND IT WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $70 MILLION. BUT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS AROUND 120. AND I GOT THAT FROM THE NUMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE. SO WE'VE GOT A A GAP OF AROUND FROM ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO $50 MILLION. SO THAT OF COURSE, IS THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT'S GOING TO FILL THAT GAP? I DON'T WANT TO MORTGAGE THE CITY AND RISK THE CITY ITSELF ON THAT. SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION IS WHAT FILLS THAT GAP ON THE OPERATING SIDE, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, MILLION, MAYBE A LITTLE LESS UP TO 1.5, I THINK WAS AT ONE POINT WHAT THE NUMBER WAS COMING IN. AS IT WAS STATED, THAT WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED WHERE

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BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TAX MAKEUP OF THE CITY'S IN CENTRAL OHIO. AND THAT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHAT'S ALREADY AT 2%. IF YOU IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND WORK IN GROVE CITY, YOU PAY US 2%, BUT YOU PAY COLUMBUS THE OTHER HALF A PERCENT. IF WE HAD TWO AND A HALF, WE WOULD KEEP IT ALL. SO IN 2009, CITY OF COLUMBUS WENT TO 2.5%. 2010 GRANDVIEW HEIGHTS. WORTHINGTON WENT TO 2.5%. 2011 WHITEHALL WENT TO 2.5%. 2012 BEXLEY WENT TO TWO AND A HALF. UPPER ARLINGTON OBETZ WENT TO IT IN 2015. REYNOLDSBURG 2017.

GAHANNA 2019, HILLIARD 2022. AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF REVENUE OF THIS MUNICIPALITY DOING NOT ONLY A POTENTIAL SUBSIDY TO THE REC CENTER, I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVEN'T HAD A TAX INCREASE IN THIS COMMUNITY OVER THREE DECADES. THINK ABOUT THAT. THREE DECADES. PROPERTY TAXES IN GROVE CITY HAVE NOT WENT UP OR INCOME TAX. SO IT'S A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF OF WHERE WE'RE AT. BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THAT IF THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ADDING A LOT OF THAT CLARITY.

AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED ABOUT 50% OF PEOPLE DO WORK IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. I YOU AND OUR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, MIKE TURNER, SPOKE TO THIS IN IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THAT LIKELY

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THAT'S ONE THING I CAN RATTLE OFF ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS A WORK SESSION, BUT I THINK THAT JUST TO SHED SOME LIGHT ON SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES WITHIN THAT INCOME TAX THAT I THINK LAST WORK SESSION OR TWO, WE SAID THIS WOULD BE AN $11 MILLION AMOUNT THAT WOULD COME INTO THE CITY, AND WE'RE TALKING 1 MILLION OR LESS POTENTIAL FOR THIS SUBSIDY BASED ON THESE NUMBERS, THIS PROFORMA RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD WOULD POTENTIALLY BE INCLUDED IN THAT. BUT MR. LINCOLN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EITHER CHUCK OR. THE MAYOR AS A BANKER ON A FACILITY LIKE THIS, WHAT IS THE STANDARD AMORTIZATION TIME ON A COMMERCIAL FACILITY LIKE, OH, YOU CAN GO UP TO 30. OKAY, 30 CALL PROVISIONS FOR THE FINANCING USUALLY. OKAY, GREAT CALLS AND SO FORTH, BUT IT WILL GO AS HIGH AS 30. I DID SOME QUICK NUMBERS HERE AND I USE 20, BUT OKAY. MISS ANDERSON, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE THIRD THAT WE'LL END UP PAYING THE INCOME TAX, LIKE MYSELF, BECAUSE I WORK IN GROVE CITY. BUT I DO THINK WE WHEN WE GET FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD WITH THIS, WE NEED TO GIVE BENEFIT BACK TO THOSE THAT ACTUALLY PAID THROUGH MEMBERSHIP. MAYBE THEY GET A DEDUCTION ON ON JOINING OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE ONLY FAIR. I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ONES FLIPPING THE BILL. SO IT WOULD BE ONLY FAIR FOR THAT. BUT I'VE GOT OTHER COMMENTS LATER. BUT I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO THE WHY. YES. JUST REAL QUICK ON BEHALF OF THE TWO THIRDS THAT DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT. THANK YOU. TED. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS MATH. SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS EVEN THINKING SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU HAD FOR THE MEMBERSHIPS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOME PRETTY DECENT MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS THERE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE BUMP UP THE MEMBERSHIP COST A LITTLE BIT. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THE TAX INCREASE. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE THE TAX STUFF IS I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVEN'T RAISED TAX IN 30 YEARS. I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING AT ALL. I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. CHUCK YOU DIDN'T HAPPEN TO BRING YOUR. TAX SLIDE DID YOU.

TOTAL TAX YOU SLEEPS WITH IT ALL THE COMMUNITIES I BELIEVE I DID YES. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE ON.

I CAN FIND IT. I CAN TRY TO FIND IT AT AFTER. WELL I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH MAYBE CHUCK JUST DISCUSSING THAT SINCE WE'RE ON THE TAX. YOU KNOW, I OFTEN HEAR GROVE CITY HAS THE HIGHEST TAXES. I CAN'T BELIEVE OUR TAXES ARE SO HIGH. SO WHAT CHUCK HAS DONE AND THIS IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE. ALL WE GOT TO DO IS GET IT TO YOU. I WAS HOPING TO HAVE IT BY NOW, BUT WE'LL HAVE IT BY THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. IT LISTS EVERY CITY SURROUNDING AND GROVE CITY WHAT ALL THE TAX RATES ARE AND THEN WHAT THE NET TAX IS ON A STANDARD HOUSE. FURTHER, IT THEN SHOWS HOW MUCH GOES TO GROVE CITY OUT OF YOUR TAXES. AND SO I WON'T STEAL YOUR THUNDER THERE CHUCK. BUT WHAT'S OUR NUMBERS. THIS PARTICULAR CHART THAT I'M LOOKING AT HAS 18 JURISDICTIONS WITHIN CENTRAL OHIO COMMUNITIES. OUT OF THOSE 18 IN TERMS OF A PROPERTY TAX, GROVE CITY IS THE FOURTH LOWEST ON A $350,000 HOME YOU WOULD PAY TO LIVE IN GROVE CITY, SIX $6,222. IF YOU WANTED TO PAY LESS THAN THAT, YOU COULD MOVE TO URBAN CREST AND PAY $5,900 A YEAR. THE CITY OF WHITEHALL, $6,000 A YEAR, OR THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, $6,097. NOW THE HIGHEST. REMEMBER, $350,000 HOUSE IN GROVE CITY. AND THAT INCLUDES TAXES FOR ALL THE SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES, COUNTY, TOWNSHIP $606,222 IN GROVE CITY ON THAT $350,000 HOUSE MOVED TO

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SO SO I JUST I JUST THINK THAT'S AN EYE OPENER FOR MOST PEOPLE. THEY THINK GROVE CITY TAXES ARE SO HIGH COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE. THE FACT IS, THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE ALMOST THE LOWEST. AND OF ALL THAT MONEY THAT YOU PAY IN TAXES, ONLY $400 OF THAT GOES TO THE CITY OF GROVE CITY FOR PROGRAMS LIKE THESE AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF WE HAVE. YES. THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST MAKE ONE FINAL STATEMENT BECAUSE I MAKE IT EVERY TIME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT CONTEMPORARY FACILITIES AND CONTEMPORARY AMENITIES, YOU PROBABLY NEED, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE CONTEMPORARY TAX RATES. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO HILLIARD TAXES OR ANY OF THAT, BUT IN REFERENCE TO THE 2%, TWO AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, IT PRODUCES ENOUGH MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, HAVING POCKET PARKS, PAYING FOR THE REST OF THE POLICE. THAT'S GONE UP EVERY YEAR. AND I THINK IT'S JUST A NECESSARY HEALTHY THING FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS MOVING FORWARD. EXTEND THIS TAX BASE OR EXTEND THE TAX BASE. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, LIKE WE'RE DOING OUT THERE WITH THE GATEWAY. I KNOW THE MAYOR WANTS TO SPEAK. I KNOW MR. OMAR AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO TO GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY. AND I'M NOT SAYING JACK OR ANYBODY ELSE'S. BUT ON THE BROOK PARK SITUATION, THERE'S NO WINDFALL THERE. I MEAN, WHAT WE PAY IS UTILITY TO $25,000 A YEAR AND VERY LITTLE OTHER EXPENSES. SO AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS BROOK PARK HAS NOW BECOME A TRANSITIONARY TRAINING SITUATION. AND THAT WILL LEAD US INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT IT'S NOT A WINDFALL OF SAVING FROM. AND THE OTHER THING IS, IN THE CURRENT PROGRAM FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WE DO NOT HAVE A THEATER AND BROOK PARK. WE HAVE A THEATER. SO THERE MIGHT BE CONTINUED USE NO MATTER WHAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARITY. THANK YOU, MR. OMARI, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS STANDPOINT, AND I APPRECIATE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.

YOU KNOW, AS I'VE BEEN DOING MY RESEARCH ON CITY OWNED AND OPERATED AND A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP, ONE THING THAT THE Y OFFERS IS QUITE UNIQUE IS FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, RIGHT? FOR FAMILIES THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD COLLEGE STUDENTS. IS THAT BUILT IN TO THIS PLAN OR IDEA? AND HOW COULD THAT IMPACT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY? SO I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT REFLECTED IN HERE, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY WE HAVE OUR OWN SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE. WE WANT TO MAKE THAT MORE ROBUST. YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A PARKS AND REC PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO BE OPEN FOR ALL AND REMOVE BARRIERS WHEREVER WE CAN. SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I TELL THIS TO OUR TO OUR TEAM QUITE OFTEN, BUT WE NEVER WANT TO TURN AWAY A CHILD OR A SENIOR FOR FINANCIAL REASONS, FOR ANY REASON. AND THE SAME PHILOSOPHY WOULD HOLD TRUE HERE. AND I THINK THE WHY WOULD HOLD THAT SAME PHILOSOPHY AS WELL. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT MAYOR SAID ABOUT BROOK PARK. I DEFINITELY WE SHOULD NOT GIVE UP ON BROOK PARK AS WE TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL SITES. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH PINNACLE KIND OF BEING THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION NOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITIES THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS PINNACLE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. AND BROOK PARK, IT MIGHT NOT BE IN THE GREATEST CONDITION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S CONCERNS REGARDING THE CURRENT PROPERTY AND THE CONDITION OF IT, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK AS A CITY, WE SHOULD EXPLORE POTENTIAL LONG TERM LEASE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. I KNOW PURCHASING, BASED ON THE EMAILS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, IS JUST NOT AN OPTION AT THE MOMENT.

BUT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT GIVE UP ON BROOK PARK. I MEAN, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE, THE BIG SPLASH IS ALREADY LOCATED THERE. A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THAT LOCATION. IT'S IN WALKING DISTANCE. SO I'M 1,000% IN SUPPORT OF TALKING SOME MORE ABOUT BROOK PARK AND NOT GIVING UP ON THAT IDEA. AND ONCE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOU FOR BEING HERE.

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OUR MISSION, VISION, AND VALUES ARE HOW WE SHOW UP EVERY DAY. IT'S HOW WE SERVE THOSE 14,000 GROVE CITY AREA COMMUNITY MEMBERS, INCLUDING ABOUT 7500 GROVE CITY RESIDENTS, THE YMCA, I LIKE TO SAY IT OFTEN. WE'RE THE ORIGINAL SOCIAL ENTERPRISE. WE COME TO THE TABLE AS A 500 1C3, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE CAN GENERATE REVENUE THROUGH DONATIONS, GRANTS, PROGRAM AND MEMBERSHIP FEES AND FUND AND HELP FUND THE INITIATIVES THAT HELP BUILD STRONG COMMUNITIES.

THE YMCA HAS BEEN AND IS A CORNERSTONE OF THE GROVE CITY COMMUNITY, SERVING FIVE GENERATIONS EVERY DAY. WE BEGAN THIS PARTNERSHIP ACTUALLY BEFORE THE CENTER WAS EVEN OPENED 36 YEARS AGO. WE HAD A PRESENCE IN GROVE CITY IN THE SOUTHWESTERN CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT, WITH A LONG STANDING PARTNERSHIP OF HIGH QUALITY, AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE, ALSO KNOWN FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO DON'T KNOW IT AS THE Y CLUB, THE Y CLUB IS A PARTNERSHIP THAT PRESENTED ITS PRESENT TODAY IN 13 SCHOOLS IN THE DISTRICT. DURING THE 2425 SCHOOL YEAR, YMCA STAFF SECURED $2 MILLION FOR PROGRAMS AND SERVING SOUTH-WESTERN CITY SCHOOLS, ENSURING ACCESS FOR ALL FAMILIES. FOR 23 YEARS WE'VE BEEN IN FRIAR PARK OVER THE PAST TWO DECADES. WE'VE BUILT SOMETHING SPECIAL AT THE GROVE CITY Y. THANKS IN LEADERSHIP TO THE GROVE CITY VOLUNTEERS BEHIND ME, THE GROVE CITY STAFF TEAM, AND THE SUPPORT OF THE PASSIONATE GROVE CITY VOLUNTEERS, MEMBERS, AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS. IF YOU WALK AWAY WITH ONE THING OUT OF ALL THIS CONVERSATION, IT'S THE MEMBER WHO CAME HERE TWO MEETINGS AGO AND SPOKE ABOUT HIS STORY. HE TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT WE'RE NOT JUST A REC CENTER. WE'RE A TRUSTED COMMUNITY FOR FAMILIES, SENIORS, TEENS, AND KIDS. AS YOU'VE HEARD FROM MANY RESIDENTS, WE'RE NOT JUST BUILDING, BUT A CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, A CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY. OUR SERVICES EXTEND BEYOND FITNESS AND THE WALLS OF OUR CENTER.

THE GROVE CITY YMCA REFLECTS THE HEART OF GROVE CITY, GROWING INCLUSIVE AND CONNECTED.

1 IN 7 GROVE CITY RESIDENTS BELONG TO THE YMCA FOR COMMUNITY CONNECTION AND IMPROVED HEALTH. WE LIKE TO SAY FOR ALL AND BY ALL. IN FACT, I'VE BEEN ASKED. I'VE BEEN

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WHILE I KNOW THIS COUNCIL IS FOCUSED ON GROVE CITY RESIDENTS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT EXPANDING THAT MEMBERSHIP AND BEING INCLUSIVE HELPS KEEP OUR PRICES LOWER, OUR PRICES LOWER.

IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO AT OUR PRICES COMPARED TO MOST COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTERS, WE'RE AT EQUAL OR IN THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE CENTER COSTS IN TERMS OF OUR MEMBERSHIP AND FEES. AND THERE IS NO SUBSIDY, NO TAX SUBSIDY. ALSO, BENEFIT OF THE GROVE CITY YMCA MEMBERSHIP IS THAT A MEMBER HERE HAS ACCESS TO OUR Y'S IN 13 COMMUNITIES.

SO IF THEY WORK IN ANOTHER COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE Y'S. AND WHEN THEY'RE TRAVELING, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE Y'S ACROSS THE COUNTRY. IN FACT, BECAUSE OF A NEW PARTNERSHIP THAT WE'RE ENTERING INTO WITH COLUMBUS STATE EVERY FULL TIME, COLUMBUS STATE STUDENT WHO LIVES IN GROVE CITY WILL NOW HAVE HAVE ELIGIBILITY TO BECOME A GROVE CITY YMCA MEMBER. SO THAT'S AN ADDED BENEFIT THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. NOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. I'VE TALKED ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. I WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT BASED ON THE PAST CONVERSATIONS THE Y HAS HAD, BOTH INTERNALLY AND WITH CITY LEADERS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT EXPANDING AND CONNECTING AND COLLABORATING AS A GROVE CITY COMMUNITY CENTER YMCA. I JUST WANT TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT BACK IN 1998, A QUARTER PERCENT INCOME TAX FAILED IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND THE MAYOR OF THIS COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME WAS CHERYL GROSSMAN, CAME TO THE Y AND ASKED IF THE Y WOULD CONSIDER BUILDING A CENTER AT FRIAR. AT THAT TIME, IT WAS IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. THE Y AGREED, JUMPED IN, ALL HANDS IN, AND THE COMMUNITY KICKED OFF A FUNDRAISING CAMPAIGN TO RAISE MONEY TO BUILD THAT Y. IN FACT, THEN MAYOR CHERYL GROSSMAN AND RONNIE MERLINO, GROVE CITY RESIDENTS LED THAT CAMPAIGN. INDIVIDUALS, CORPORATIONS AND EVEN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY CONTRIBUTED TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO BUILD THE YMCA AT THE FUTURE FRIAR PARK. IN 2002, WE ENTERED INTO A LEASE WITH GROVE CITY TO TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE SERVICES. IN FACT, THE LEASE SAYS THE CITY PROVIDED THE LAND TO THE YMCA WITH THE DESIRE TO HAVE THE YMCA CONSTRUCT A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER FOR THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF PROVIDING RECREATIONAL AND FITNESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITIZENS OF GROVE CITY. THROUGHOUT THE TIME WE KNEW AND IN FACT, WHEN WE BUILT THE BUILDING, WE KNEW WHEN IT NEEDED TO BE EXPANDED. OPPORTUNITIES WOULD COME AVAILABLE. IN 2016, WE BROUGHT A CONSULTANT. WE PAID A CONSULTANT TO COME IN AND LOOK AT POTENTIAL EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES AND COLLABORATION OPPORTUNITIES. IN 2019, THEN FINANCE CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL, CHRISTINE HOUCK, INVITED ME TO A CAPITAL MEETING. MAYOR STAGE AND CHRISTINE HOUCK HOSTED THE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A POTENTIAL COLLABORATION COULD BE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THE YMCA. AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, IN MARCH OF 2020, THOSE TOPS, THOSE DISCUSSIONS STOPPED AND EVERYTHING WAS PUT ON HOLD. IN 2022, WE WERE ASKED TO COME BACK TO THE TABLE TO TALK AGAIN WITH COUNCIL MEMBER AND COUNCIL MEMBER AND MAYOR STAGE ABOUT A POTENTIAL COLLABORATION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THE YMCA HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, ALL IN VERY INTERESTED IN THAT COLLABORATION. IN 23, CONSULTING CAME ON BOARD TO HELP DO THE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, CONDUCTED THE SURVEY IN 23 OF THE GROVE CITY COMMUNITY

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ABSOLUTELY, 28% ANSWERED THE CITY AND YMCA PARTNERSHIP. BUT I WONDER NOW, AFTER LOOKING BACK AT THAT QUESTION, I WONDER IF THE RESIDENTS WERE PROVIDED WITH THE COST ESTIMATES OF THE CITY'S PLAN TO GO ALONE? WOULD THEY HAVE ANSWERED IT THE SAME WAY IF THE RESIDENTS WERE INFORMED THAT IT MAY REQUIRE AN INCOME TAX? WHETHER OR NOT THE INCOME TAX IS JUST FOR THE CENTER OR NOT, WOULD THEY HAVE GONE THE SAME WAY IF THE RESIDENTS WERE INFORMED ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITY IN COMPARISON TO A PARTNERSHIP, WOULD IT HAVE GONE THE SAME WAY THROUGH 2025? IN THE BEGINNING OF 2025, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH JACK AND HIS TEAM AND THE MAYOR'S TEAM AND START TO WORK ON WHAT A COLLABORATION COULD LOOK LIKE. WE WERE SO EXCITED. WE BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT, PAID A CONSULTANT, MOODY NOLAN, WHO'S KNOWN FOR THEIR RECREATION CENTER WORK AND HAD THEM SIT DOWN AND HELP DEVELOP WHAT A COMBINED COLLABORATIVE CENTER COULD LOOK LIKE. GROVE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION ON ONE SIDE, THE YMCA OF CENTRAL OHIO, ON THE OTHER SIDE WORKING TOGETHER IN COLLABORATION. THOSE TALKS, OF COURSE, WERE STOPPED IN MARCH WHEN A RESOLUTION WAS PASSED. WHETHER IT WAS A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE, IT STOPPED ALL THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE COUNCIL ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION NOT TO WORK WITH ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY STAFF. SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO CONTINUE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND CARRY FORWARD THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY. THE YMCA FINALLY, AFTER LISTENING TO OUR MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY LEADERS SPEAK UP, WE DECIDED TO TO HEAR FROM THE VOTERS OURSELVES, TO HEAR FROM GROVE CITY OURSELVES. AND WE COMMISSIONED EMC, A WELL-KNOWN FIRM HERE IN CENTRAL OHIO, TO GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK WHAT THE VOTERS HAD TO SAY, BECAUSE MAYBE WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT.

IN FACT, WE DID UNDERSTAND IT. AND WHAT WE WERE BEING TOLD BY OUR MEMBERS WAS TRUE. I'VE BEEN ASKED HERE. I'VE HEARD IT'S BEEN ASKED IN THIS ROOM, ARE WE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE VOTERS OF GROVE CITY? DO THEY WANT A COLLABORATION? IN FACT, GROVE CITY VOTERS TOLD US CLEARLY IN 2025 THEY WANT A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND GROVE CITY. IN FACT, 68% DO NOT APPROVE OF A CITY OWNED COMMUNITY CENTER THAT MAY HARM EXISTING BUSINESSES, CLUBS OR OTHER REC CENTERS GOING ON. LIKE MUCH OF OHIO, THE VOTERS IN GROVE CITY FEEL DIFFERENTLY TODAY ABOUT SUPPORTING TAX INCREASES THAT THEY DID IN 2023, 62% DID NOT BELIEVE IT WAS VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR GROVE CITY TO HAVE A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER IF IT MEANT RAISING TAXES. AND BY THE WAY, I'M PROVIDING THREE OF THESE SLIDES. AGAIN, THE FULL SLIDE DECK IS AVAILABLE IN THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION. WHEN PROVIDED A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT WHAT A COLLABORATION COULD BE. 75% OF GROVE CITY VOTERS SUPPORT A COLLABORATION WITH THE YMCA. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE LAST TWO LINES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE CHART WHERE THE CIRCLE IS. WHILE 40% OF THE VOTERS INITIALLY SUPPORTED A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT NUMBER GREW TO 84% WHEN RESPONDENTS WERE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT A COLLABORATION. ALSO, 69% OF VOTERS WERE INITIALLY OPPOSED TO A NEW CENTER, SO ONLY 30% SUPPORTED. BUT AFTER A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT A COLLABORATION OPPORTUNITY, THE SUPPORT GREW TO 69%. IT'S VERY CLEAR TIME WENT ON AND WE LISTENED AND HAVE ATTENDED AND LISTENED TO OUR MEMBERS AS THEY'VE COMMUNICATED TO US, AND WE SHARED THIS INFORMATION WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. WE'VE SHARED IT PUBLICLY. AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS COUNCIL PASSED THE TIF IN DECEMBER, THE TIF EXTENSION IN DECEMBER, WE CONTINUE TO SHARE THE VOICE OF OUR YMCA MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY RESIDENTS.

WHAT WE KNOW NOW IS IN FEBRUARY, AS WE HEARD, THE CITY PLANS TO PASS A RESOLUTION OF 6 TO $8 MILLION CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN CONTRACT WITH PIZZUTI, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY SECURE THIS PATH OF CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED AT PINNACLE PARK. I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S OPERATED VERSUS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, AND WE KNOW THAT THAT THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT IS FOR A NEW SITE AT PINNACLE PARK, CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED. NEXT, I'D LIKE TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COLLABORATION MODELS, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES AND HOW THEY WOULD WORK IN PRACTICE IN GROVE CITY. I'M GOING TO TRY TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE FINANCIAL, PROGRAMMATIC, AND LOGICAL LOGISTICS ASPECTS OF HOW THAT COULD LOOK, KNOWING THAT THE FRIAR PARK LOCATION IS LISTED AS ONE OF THE PREFERRED SITES WE HAVE BEEN ASKED, IS THE Y WILLING TO WORK ON A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH? I THINK YOU'VE HEARD ME LOUDLY TODAY. THE ANSWER IS YES. THE GROVE CITY Y HAS HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM GROVE CITY RESIDENTS, OUR MEMBERS, THAT THEY WANT A COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY TO CREATE AN UPDATED, EXPANDED GROVE CITY COMMUNITY CENTER YMCA. SORRY, MY PAGE STUCK.

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AS I'VE STATED, WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR COLLABORATION WITH GROVE CITY THAT BRINGS THESE ADDITIONAL PROGRAM AMENITIES, UPDATED CONTEMPORARY MODELS, CENTERS TO THE GROVE CITY RESIDENTS. THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIPS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE REGION, WE LEVERAGE OUR LONG STANDING EXPERTISE, PROVEN MODELS, AND A NATIONAL NETWORK OF RESOURCES WITH THE EXPERTISE OF THE CITY LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITIES WHO KNOW THEIR COMMUNITIES AND CONSTITUENTS. THE BEST YMCA PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS ARE INTENTIONALLY FLEXIBLE AND DESIGNED TO REFLECT THE UNIQUE NEEDS OF EACH COMMUNITY. RAN ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO. OUR PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS SHAPED BY DIFFERENT AND LOCAL DIFFERENT LOCAL PRIORITIES, AND THEY MAY VARY. EVERY MODEL IS GROUNDED IN SHARED VALUES AND A COMMITMENT TO SERVING THE RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY. FOR EXAMPLE, IN DELAWARE, LOCAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE ON OUR BOARD IN LIBERTY TOWNSHIP. WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM THE CITY AND THE TOWNSHIP ON OUR BOARD. EACH COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT BASED ON HOW THAT WORKS. FOR THAT COMMUNITY. I SPOKE WITH SPOKE WITH MAYOR FROM REYNOLDSBURG LAST WEEK, AND HE OFFERED THAT HE'D BE HAPPY TO COME AND SPEAK TO ANY LEADER HERE IN GROVE CITY ABOUT HOW THE SUCCESS OF THAT COLLABORATION PARTNERSHIP HAS IMPACTED HIS CITY, AND HOW HE'S A BIG FAN OF THIS APPROACH BECAUSE IT ENABLES MUNICIPALITIES TO EXPAND SERVICES AND COMMUNITY ACCESS WHILE MINIMIZING THE OPERATIONAL BURDEN. THE OPERATIONAL BURDEN, AND THE FINANCIAL EXPOSURE. SUPPORTED BY A TRUSTED NONPROFIT PARTNER WITH DEEP REGIONAL EXPERIENCE. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 170 YEARS IN CENTRAL OHIO. THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE. ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CITY YMCA PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TO LOOK FOR. TWO OF THEM ARE MOST COMMON, AND YOU SEE THEM AT THE TOP MODELS ONE AND TWO. BOTH ARE CITY OWNED, CITY CONTROLLED, BUT YMCA OPERATED. BOTH MODELS ARE SIMILAR STRUCTURALLY, BUT THE YMCA PROVIDES THE OPERATING CAPITAL FUNDING AND MODEL TWO, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. MODEL THREE I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT BECAUSE IT IS VERY UNIQUE. AS WE LOOKED UP THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, WE COULD NOT FIND A MODEL THAT RESEMBLED MODEL THREE. BUT I WANT TO SPEAK TO MODELS ONE AND TWO AND TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE BRIEFLY. THE CITY BUILDS THE FACILITY AND OWNS THE FACILITY. THE YMCA TYPICALLY SIGNS A LONG TERM AGREEMENT, OFTEN 20 TO 30 YEARS.

THE YMCA MANAGES THE STAFFING PROGRAM, MEMBERSHIPS AND DAILY OPERATIONS FOR THE YMCA PART OF THE PROGRAM. THE CITY, PARKS AND REC, OR THE OTHER PARTNERS MANAGE THEIR COMPONENTS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE PARTNERSHIP WITH LIKE A HEALTH SYSTEM LIKE OHIO STATE. OFTEN IN MODEL 1 OR 2, THE CITY WILL WILL OPERATE THEIR OWN PROGRAMS AND OPERATIONS IN THEIR SPACES. SO LET ME GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES. ONE EXAMPLE INCLUDES A FACILITY WITH DIVIDED SPACES. THERE'S A Y IN DAYTON THAT I'VE SHARED THAT HAS A COMMUNITY COLLEGE CONNECTED TO THE Y ON ONE SIDE, AND A DEDICATED PARKS AND REC SENIOR CENTER ON THE OTHER SIDE.

DIVIDED SPACES. THE RESIDENTS SHOW UP, CAN GO INTO ANY DOOR, BUT THE PROGRAMS ARE OPERATED COMPLETELY SEPARATED. ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS A FACILITY IN LAKE COUNTY, OHIO, WHERE ATTACHED TO A HIGH SCHOOL, THE YMCA HAS A COURT FACILITY THAT. ONE COURT IS OPERATED BY THE PARKS AND REC SENIOR CENTER. ONE CORPORATE IS OPERATED BY THE HIGH SCHOOL AND ONE COURT IS OPERATED BY THE YMCA. TRUE COLLABORATION. TRUE IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE CITY CONTRIBUTES THE LAND AND THE BODY OWNS THE ASSET. PROVIDES THE OVERSIGHT THROUGH THE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT AND SETS EXPECTATIONS TO THE CITY IN THE COLLABORATION FOR THE CITY AND THE COLLABORATION. AND THEY OPERATE THEIR OWN COMPONENTS OF THE FACILITY. THE Y RAISES PHILANTHROPIC CAPITAL, OPERATES OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY, PROVIDES RECREATION, HEALTH, YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND MAINTAINS THE BUILDING AND OFTEN MANAGES OUR OWN CAPITAL RESERVES. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE I MENTIONED EARLIER. SORRY. SOME OF THE BENEFITS. I JUST WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THE, THE, THE THESE TYPES OF OPERATIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, I MENTIONED ALREADY THE ACCESS NONPROFIT PROFIT FUNDING, THE MORE PROGRAM CAPACITY THAT THE YMCA BRINGS TO THE TABLE BASED ON OUR LOCAL AND NATIONAL MODELS, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL MUNICIPAL STAFFING OR OPERATING COSTS BEYOND WHAT THEY OPERATE. AND THE YMCA HAS THE SPECIALIZED RECREATION CENTER EXPERIENCE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT MODEL THREE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE SEEN IS THERE'S HIGHER STAFFING COSTS, OPERATING COSTS OVERALL AS COMPARED TO WHEN YOU SPLIT AND COLLABORATE. TIME IS SPENT DEALING WITH DAY TO DAY

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THE CALLS AND LETTERS YOU'VE RECEIVED FROM THE MEMBERS REPRESENT THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE GROVE CITY YMCA OVER THE LAST 23 YEARS. AND IT'S WITH THOSE VOICES OF OUR MEMBERS AND OUR GROVE CITY RESIDENTS THAT I STAND HERE TODAY ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THIS COLLABORATION WITH THE YMCA. AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE HERE, BECAUSE THE YMCA IS COMMITTED TO GROVE CITY. WE HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS, FOR DECADES FOR STRONG COMMUNITIES, FOR ALL PEOPLE TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND DEDICATED TO OUR MISSION OF A HEALTHY SPIRIT, MIND AND BODY FOR EVERYONE. RAN THROUGH THAT. SPOKE REALLY FAST.

THAT'S WHY I STAYED ON NOTES, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND RUNNING US THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO START SOME QUESTIONS. THOUGHTS, PLEASE, I THINK. MR. DID YOU. JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THE EXISTING FACILITY? WHAT WAS THE COST? WHAT WERE YOU ABLE TO RAISE THROUGH FUNDRAISING AND HOW DID YOU FINANCE THE BUILDINGS? SO THE QUESTION WAS, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, MICROPHONE COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M SORRY, THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION. AND BACK IN 2002. RIGHT. I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP THOSE NUMBERS. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND 11 MILLION FOR EACH OF THOSE CENTERS. WE BUILT FOUR OF THEM IN A FOUR YEAR TIME SPAN, I BELIEVE 6 MILLION WAS RAISED IN FUNDRAISING. THERE WAS PARTNERSHIP CONTRIBUTION FROM THE OHIO STATE MEDICAL CENTER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, IN FACT, HAVE A PARTNERSHIP AT THAT TIME. OKAY, THERE'S SOME OTHER DOLLARS, BUT I WOULD NEED TO GET YOU THE DETAILS ON THAT.

THAT WAS SO LONG AGO. SO ROUGHLY HALF. SAY IT AGAIN. OH YEAH. PRICES TO BUILD WERE A LOT LESS. OH YEAH, I KNOW, BUT FROM A FINANCING STANDPOINT, HALF WERE CONTRIBUTIONS. THE OTHER HALF HAD TO BE MORTGAGED. YES THAT'S ACCURATE. OKAY. THAT'S ACCURATE. AND WE'VE CARRIED THAT OPERATIONAL EXPENSE EVERY YEAR AND CONTINUE TO PAY THAT IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL OPERATING COSTS. THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. IS THE BUILDING PAID OFF? NO. NOT YET.

OKAY. IS IT A 30 YEAR MORTGAGE? DO YOU RECALL? YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND LOOKING AT THE BANKER HERE, BUT I KNOW WE'VE REFINANCED AT LEAST ONCE. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT OUR TERMS ARE. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU BROTHER. YEAH, YEAH. THE DEBT WE HAVE IS ALL FOR WE. WE BUILT THREE. WE ACTUALLY BUILT FOUR WISE IN THAT FOUR YEAR TIME PERIOD. ALL SIMILAR HILLIARD GROVE CITY, GAHANNA AND LIBERTY TOWNSHIP. POWELL. SO OUR OUR DEBT IS FOR ALL FOUR OF THOSE WISE. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. THANKS. THANK YOU. YEAH.

PLEASE. MR. OMAR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I'M PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION. I WAS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ASKED THE Y TO COME IN. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL DIRECTLY, AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE YMCA. I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY WOULD LOOK LIKE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, AND THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THE Y AND THE CITY. SO WHEN IT COMES TO DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, OUR FOR ONE, LET'S JUST START WITH WHAT WOULD THOSE OPERATIONS LOOK LIKE ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS? SO EACH AGAIN, EACH MODEL IS DIFFERENT. SO IT'S HARD TO NARROW THAT DOWN. LET ME GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT WE STARTED TO WORK ON THAT'S ON THE SCREEN AND THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. IN THIS EXAMPLE, IF YOU CAN SEE THE LOWER, THE LOWER PICTURE SHOWS A DARK GRAY AND A AND A WHITE SECTION. THE DARK GRAY IS THE EXISTING FACILITY. WHITE WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL.

IF YOU LOOK UP AT THE TOP, YOU CAN SEE FACILITIES, LARGE INDOOR COURT SPACES, COMMUNITY MEETING ROOMS, ART CLASSROOMS, PICKLEBALL COURTS. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT JACK MENTIONED EARLIER. SO THOSE SPACES IN THIS VISION, IN THIS CONCEPT, YOU WOULD COME IN AND THAT WOULD BE OPERATED BY THE GROVE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. SO THERE WOULD BE STAFF THERE OPERATING AND PROVIDING WHATEVER SERVICES AND PROGRAMS AND ACCESS THAT IS PRIORITY TO THEM. IF YOU TURNED RIGHT, IF YOU WENT LEFT, YOU WOULD EXPERIENCE THAT. IF YOU TURNED RIGHT IN THIS MODEL, YOU WOULD YOU WOULD SCAN INTO THE Y AND YOU WOULD COME IN AND BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE WELLNESS FLOOR OR DO THE SWIMMING POOL. DO YOU KNOW THE PROGRAMING YOU'RE THERE FOR? OH, MY SLIDES MOVED AROUND. AND THAT, OF COURSE, IN THAT CASE, THE YMCA STAFF WOULD BE OPERATING THOSE PROGRAMS. WE ALREADY HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THE GROVE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND COLLABORATING PROGRAMMATICALLY. SO WE SIT DOWN, WE TRY TO SIT DOWN ROUTINELY AND TALK ABOUT, HEY, WHAT PROGRAMS ARE YOU OFFERING? WHAT PROGRAMS ARE WE OFFERING? LET'S NOT COMPETE. LET'S WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE MORE SERVICES FOR THE RESIDENTS. THAT WOULD BE THE SAME MODEL HERE. HOW CAN WE COLLABORATE TOGETHER? WE'RE NOT GOING TO TRY TO COMPETE WITH YOU. AND THAT COULD BE FOR EXAMPLE, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUTH SPORTS ACTIVITIES. WE MIGHT OFFER THE THE, THE TODDLER YOUTH SPORTS AND, AND GROVE CITY PARKS AND REC MIGHT OFFER THE, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL. RIGHT? IT'S, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WORKS BEST IN GROVE

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I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD WORK, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT AND NEVER GOT TO FINISH. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME CLARITY FOR ME BECAUSE IF IT'S IF IT'S A PARTNERSHIP IN THE SENSE OF THE Y'S OPERATING IN THIS BUILDING AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IS OPERATING, I MEAN, THAT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN THE Y BEING LOCATED ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN AND US BEING AT PINNACLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD LOOK LIKE IN DETAIL, WHETHER THAT'S DAY TO DAY, MONTH TO MONTH, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. I THINK I'M JUST A LITTLE LOST. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S IT'S HARD. AND THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO DO VISUALS BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE THE CONCEPT SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM. I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE AND OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR WISE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, COMMUNITY CENTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THERE'S COLLABORATIONS AND BUILDINGS ARE CONNECTED TOGETHER. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS JUST, LET'S SAY WE HAD TWO SEPARATE MEMBERSHIPS OR TWO SEPARATE ENTRY WAYS. YOU STILL ARE GAINING THE SYNERGY OF THE COST SAVINGS AND THE CAPITAL.

FIRST OFF, THAT'S FOREMOST. THERE'S HUGE SAVINGS IN BUILDING TOGETHER VERSUS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING SEPARATELY. SO NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO SEPARATE COST SAVINGS. THEN YOU HAVE SYNERGIES AND OPERATING COSTS. NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE DIRECT COSTS TO DIRECT PROGRAMS THAT PARKS AND REC OFFERS AND DIRECT COSTS OF THINGS THAT WE OFFER. BUT THERE ARE SOME SYNERGIES OF BEING AT ONE LOCATION. AND THEN TO THE THE RESIDENT, THEY GET TO SHOW UP SAYING THAT THEY HAVE ALL THESE AMENITIES TO CHOOSE FROM AS A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. BEING A RESIDENT OF GROVE CITY AND A ONE STOP SHOP. SO THAT'S JUST SOME BASICS. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM HOW IT IS OVER IN REYNOLDSBURG. THAT'S RIGHT. IN REYNOLDSBURG, IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENT MODEL.

IT'S THE, THE, THE SECTION NUMBER ONE THAT I HAD SHOWED EARLIER WHERE THE CITY PAID TO BUILD THE BUILDING. AND WE OPERATE IT COMPLETELY AS A COMMUNITY CENTER, YMCA. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE INVITE THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT INTO THAT SPACE AS WELL. AND THAT'S TO BE TRANSPARENT. THAT'S GONE UP AND DOWN. WE'VE HAD GOOD YEARS THAT THAT'S WORKED REALLY WELL AND WE'VE HAD YEARS THAT IT HASN'T WORKED REALLY WELL. BUT MAYOR IS STILL VERY, VERY PROUD OF THAT PARTNERSHIP AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE US FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXPAND SOMEDAY, PLAN FOR EXPANSION. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE THIRD SLIDE? YOU CONTROLLING? I THINK SECOND. SO ONE THING THAT. WHO WE ARE. SORRY, WE'RE GETTING THERE. RIGHT HERE. YES. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW INCLUSIVITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. RIGHT. AND ONE THING THAT STANDS OUT TO ME IS THE MISSION MENTIONS CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND THAT'S BUILT INTO WHO THE Y IS TODAY.

ABSOLUTELY. SO WITH US TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP. YEP. HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH THE CITY? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PRINCIPLES, THOSE ARE PRINCIPLES SHARED BY MANY FAITHS, RIGHT. AND THOSE SAME PRINCIPLES SHOW UP IN OUR VALUES HONESTY, CARING, RESPECT, RESPONSIBILITY. WE LIVE THOSE VALUES IN HOW WE WORK, HOW WE SHOW UP EVERY DAY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND HOW OUR PROGRAMS ARE BUILT. IT'S A PART OF OUR CURRICULUM. SO THOSE THOSE VALUES ARE SHARED. AND WHAT YOU CAN FIND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR MEMBERSHIP, YOU CAN WALK IN THE HILLIARD WAY AND YOU CAN SEE A PRAYER ROOM. YOU CAN WALK IN NORTH YMCA, AND YOU SEE THE DIVERSITY. WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE Y IS THE DIVERSITY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT COMES TOGETHER. ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES I HEARD ONCE FROM A SENIOR, A SENIOR MEMBER AT OUR HILLIARD. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW SHE GREW UP IN HILLIARD'S. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS CALLED BACK THEN IN HILLIARD'S AND NEVER LEFT THE CITY. AND HER BEST FRIEND IS A WOMAN FROM PAKISTAN WHO THEY GET UP EVERY MORNING AT 5:30 A.M. AND THEY'RE ON THE TREADMILL TOGETHER RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. SO WE MAKE SURE OUR STAFF ARE TRAINED. WE ARE DILIGENT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE FOR ALL, BY ALL, BECAUSE WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE FEEL, TO FEEL WELCOME IN OUR WISE. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU FOR SHARING THAT. JUST FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW, I THINK DEFINITELY I GO TO THE WIRE. YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE EXPERIENCE. SO I JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, PLEASE. AND THEN I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP ON. ETSY IS HERE, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK YOU SAID EMC WAS PROS. EMC IS EMC OKAY. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE 30 IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY 3100 MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 14,000 MEMBERS. WE HAVE 7500 THAT ARE IN OUR GROVE CITY RESIDENTS. OKAY. I MENTIONED THE NUMBER 3200 HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE GROVE CITY RESIDENTS. YOU HEARD THAT NUMBER BEFORE? I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER ANDERSON MENTIONED IT. YOU KNOW, A UNIT

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BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MANY NEW MEMBERSHIPS THEN THAT YOU GOT WHILE THE HILLIARD RECREATION CENTER WAS BEING BUILT. RIGHT, THAT PEOPLE START SEEING THINGS HAPPENING OR AND OTHER DATA THAT WE DON'T KNOW. WHAT ARE THE OTHER GEMS THAT ARE IN HILLIARD? IS THERE A LIFETIME FITNESS, A PLANET FITNESS? WHAT ARE THE OTHER COMMUNITY TYPE ENGAGEMENTS THAT PEOPLE SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING THERE? THEN IT KIND OF ENGAGES THEM IN THEIR MIND OF LIKE, I'M READY NOW. I WANT TO GO DO SOMETHING NOW. I'M NOT, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT. MAYBE I'LL JOIN IT IN THE FUTURE. MAYBE I'LL GO JOIN THE WHY NOW? BECAUSE IT'S OPEN AND THEY'RE KIND OF SPARKED TO DO THAT. SO I THINK IT IS REALLY HARD TO LOOK AT SOMETHING AND, AND NOT THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE STILL TRANSFERS THAT COULD COME TO THE Y OR TO THINK OF IT IN SUCH A FEAR, YOU KNOW, SPACE THAT IT WOULD HURT BOTH OR HURT. I THINK THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THIS ECOSYSTEM THAT CAN SUPPORT ALL. EVEN WITH THE BURGERS, WE CONTINUE TO SEE LOTS OF NEW RESTAURANTS AND THINGS POP UP. SO YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DID NOT BRING CLEAR DATA FOR UNINTENTIONALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S SIX MONTHS IN AND WE DON'T KNOW. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT OUR MEMBERSHIP IS FLAT YEAR OVER YEAR AT HILLIARD, AND IT'S ACTUALLY DECLINED IN TERMS OF NEW MEMBERSHIPS GROWN. SO I KNOW THAT DATA TO BE TRUE. AND I ALSO CAN TELL YOU THAT THE NATIONAL YMCA USA TELLS US THAT TO EXPECT A. 15 BASED ON THEIR RESEARCH AND PERFORMANCE OVER ALL THE YEARS AND ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY, THE YMCA CAN EXPECT A 15 TO 25% DECLINE WHEN A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, OR USUALLY MORE OF LIKE A LIFETIME FITNESS MODEL MOVES INTO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S MORE SIMILAR TO A FULL OUT COMMUNITY CENTER VERSUS A PLANET, FITNESS TENDS TO BE A FITNESS FLOOR, AND SO IT'S A DIFFERENT MODEL AND DIFFERENT CUSTOMER EXPECTATION.

SO THERE IS NATIONAL DATA. I THINK JACK PRESENTED PARKS AND NPA'S DATA AND SOME OTHER RESEARCH BASED THAT ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATES THAT PEOPLE DO ACTUALLY LEAVE. AND IT'S A SPLIT CUSTOMER BASE. THE THE DELTA THAT I WOULD OFFER THAT MIGHT BE IN COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF THE COMMUNITY EXPONENTIALLY GREW RIGHT AND YOU GOT THAT 50, 60,000 RESIDENTS AND THERE'S STILL THE SAME TWO BUILDINGS. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS CAN THE Y SUSTAIN, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN BECAUSE YOU HAVE TAX DOLLARS, BUT CAN THE COMMUNITY DRIVEN ORGANIZATION BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IN THAT TIME PERIOD? THAT'S

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DO YOU REMEMBER, CHERYL, TALK ABOUT PUTTING SOMEBODY ON THE SPOT. I DO WANT TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE SINCE I WAS THE MAYOR WHEN THIS HAPPENED, AND I WAS ALSO THE MAYOR. PLAINTIFFS WERE CREATED IN THE CITY. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO OFFER A COUPLE COMMENTS FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK IT'S 30. I THINK IT WAS AROUND 30,000, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE HELD TO IT. THERE YOU GO. 29 315 GOOGLE SAVES IT 29,315 OKAY. JUST INTERESTING TO KIND OF KNOW THE POPULATION THEN AND KIND OF TO YOUR POINT OF, AS YOU SEE POPULATION'S EXPANSION EXPONENTIALLY GROW. I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THIS DATA TODAY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE COMPARISON OF WHAT IS THE REYNOLDSBURG CITY POPULATION? WHAT IS THE DELAWARE POPULATION? WHAT IS THE HILLIARD POPULATION? I THINK AS WE LOOK AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND CENTRAL OHIO WHO HAVE DONE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS, WHO HAVE DONE THEIR OWN MODELS, I THINK IT IS INTERESTING TO JUST AT LEAST LOOK AT WHAT THEIR POPULATION IS TO, YOU KNOW, WE WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE INS AND OUTS OF THE DECISIONS THAT THEIR CITY LEADERSHIP MADE, BUT CERTAINLY PUTTING IT OFF OF DATA IN TERMS OF POPULATIONS, THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING POINT WE SHOULD TRY AND GET TO. SO SORRY, THAT WAS A STATEMENT. THAT WASN'T A QUESTION FOR YOU. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO IF WE COULD GO TO A POINT OF THE TIMELINE IN THE SLIDE THAT SAYS 2025, AND IT TALKS ABOUT AT THE TOP, YOU'LL SEE RESOLUTION STOPS, CONVERSATIONS, AND THEN IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE EMC RESEARCH. MAYBE ONE MORE AND THE NEXT ONE. ONE MORE. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THIS, PLEASE. KEEP GOING RIGHT HERE. OH OH, MAYBE GO UP. IT'S THIS ONE. SO IT'S RIGHT AFTER THIS GRAPH. THERE IT IS. GRAPH. HERE IT IS.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF CLARITY SINCE THIS IS GOING INTO A PUBLIC RECORD.

SO I'M LOOKING AT THE THIRD ONE OVER 2020 5TH APRIL THROUGH DECEMBER BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY DIRECT STATEMENT STATING THAT THE YMCA IS BUMPED MONTH TO MONTH, AND A PRESENTATION NEVER OCCURS. IN REGARDS TO PRESENTING TO THE PARK BOARD. I AM THE LIAISON TO THE PARK BOARD. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PARK BOARD MEMBERS HERE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN GREAT COLLABORATION. DOLLY. I KNOW THE DIRECTOR OF THE CURRENT YMCA CENTER, YMCA GROVE CITY CENTER ATTENDS PARK BOARD MEETINGS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. I BELIEVE IN 2025, I RECALL CONVERSATIONS WHERE PARK BOARD WAS INFORMED THAT THE PRESENTATION WAS COMING, AND THEN MAYBE THROUGH SCHEDULING OR SOMETHING, THE Y WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND OR WAS NOT ABLE TO PRESENT THAT MONTH. SO I JUST THINK WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO PUT INTO A PUBLIC RECORD OR THE ACCURACY OF THIS VERSUS Y Y, THE PRESENTATIONS DIDN'T OCCUR. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, I, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR COMMENT AND OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T SPEAK FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM THE YMCA PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE WORKING WITH JACK CASTLE TO GET SCHEDULED A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WEREN'T EVER ABLE TO BE SCHEDULED. WE WERE BUMPED A NUMBER OF TIMES. THAT IS IN FACT A FACT. WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION OR AS YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT, IT HAPPENED DIFFERENTLY. DOLLY DOES ATTEND THE MEETINGS, AND I UNDERSTAND SHE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMENT IN THE FIRST THREE MINUTES, BUT TO HAVE A COLLABORATIVE CONVERSATION AND A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE COULD WORK TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE WASN'T ABLE TO BE SCHEDULED. OKAY. AND I DO BELIEVE OUR CHAIR OF THE PARK BOARD DID SEND AN EMAIL AT AT SOME POINT. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS PROBABLY EARLIER THIS YEAR ASKING IF DOLLY WANTED TO COME IN AND PRESENT. AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. SO I JUST, AGAIN, IF WE NEED TO KIND OF PULL SOME INFORMATION OUT, OR MAYBE THERE WERE SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS AS WE CONTINUE TO PUT THINGS IN A PUBLIC RECORD. I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION OUT THERE AND I APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WE JUST MAYBE SEE IT FROM DIFFERENT SIDES. YES, I WANT TO WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THAT ONE. OKAY. SO I DID WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING AND KIND OF ADD ON TO WHAT MR. OMAR WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE JUDEO CHRISTIAN. AND I DO APPRECIATE HOW YOU KIND OF APPROACHED THAT, BUT THAT STILL DOES CREATE BARRIERS FOR PEOPLE. AND HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE TO PEOPLE WHO MAYBE HAVE EXPRESSED THAT THEY ARE NOT WANTING TO JOIN A WHY?

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YEAH, I, I WOULD REPRESENT TO YOU THAT IT DOES NOT. IN FACT, 1 IN 7 MEMBER RESIDENTS OF GROVE CITY ARE ARE A MEMBER OF THE Y. SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD A BARRIER TO JOINING, WHETHER IT'S BELIEF IN THE VALUES SYSTEM THAT THAT WE SHOW UP FOR EVERY DAY OR IT'S THE ECONOMICS WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOR ALL, BY ALL. AND 1 IN 7 RESIDENTS OF GROVE CITY ARE PARTICIPANTS OF THAT. IN FACT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR 13 COMMUNITY CENTERS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO, WHERE WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE FOR ALL BY ALL, WE HAD OVER 170,000 MEMBERS AT ALL OF OUR CENTERS. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK EVERY DAY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING. AND I WILL TELL YOU, I'VE BEEN I GREW UP AT THE Y. I STARTED WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD.

I STARTED WORKING 30 YEARS AGO IN THE Y. I'VE NEVER HAD SOMEBODY SAY THAT THEY DON'T COME TO THE Y BECAUSE OF OUR NAME OR OUR MISSION. I HAVE HAD PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE AT THE Y AND I HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT. WE NEVER TURN ANYONE AWAY. AS YOU'VE HEARD MULTIPLE TIMES TODAY, I'VE ALSO HEARD GEOGRAPHICALLY, IT'S TOO FAR. I THINK WE JUST SHOWED YOU THAT THERE'S RESIDENTS IN ALL FIVE OF YOUR WARDS. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HAS A BARRIER TO JOINING OUR Y, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER COME UP IN THE 30 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS. AND ACROSS HERE IN GROVE CITY, ACROSS CENTRAL OHIO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. SO I, I KIND OF ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT MR. OMAR SAID WITH THE KIND OF DIFFERENT MODELS AND IT'S HARD TO REALLY SEE AND UNDERSTAND WITHOUT HAVING SOME REAL NUMBERS, AS YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT MODEL NUMBER TWO, I'M, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH IS THE CITY BRINGING? HOW MUCH IS THE Y BRINGING? I KNOW THAT YOU DID REFERENCE $2 MILLION IN ANOTHER PART OF THE PRESENTATION, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION TO ANOTHER TIME WHEN WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND PHILANTHROPY, BEING ABLE TO BRING IN $2 MILLION. AND I THINK THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THAT LIKELY COVERS A LOT OF THE SOFT COSTS INTERNALLY, A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, THAT FOR A MINUTE, OR DO WE HAVE EVEN MORE NUMBERS AS TO WHAT THE Y WOULD TRULY BRING IN THAT MODEL TOO? WELL, YOU KNOW, LET ME FIRST SAY ABOUT THE THE DETAIL OF THE NUMBERS, IT'S HARD TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXACT MODEL, JUST LIKE JACK TOLD YOU. YOU HAVE TO START WITH A BASIS. AND FOR US, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO START WITH A BASIS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO ANYBODY SINCE MARCH. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IN THE MODEL NUMBER TWO CASE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLE OF A REYNOLDSBURG OR A DELAWARE, WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE. WE DO RAISE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAT GOES INTO THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THE Y. ALSO, LIKE I SAID, MAKE SURE THAT NO CHILD OR FAMILY OR SENIORS EVER TURNED AWAY. BUT WE ALSO RAISE MONEY THROUGH GRANTS, PROGRAMS, DONATIONS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. RECENTLY, WE JUST RECEIVED A GIFT FOR A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AT OUR CAMP UP IN BELLEFONTAINE, OHIO. WE RECEIVED ANOTHER CAPITAL GIFT JUST RECENTLY FOR OUR NORTH YMCA. WE WERE ABLE TO BRING IN $1.5 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BUILD A BRAND NEW PLAYGROUND AT OUR YMCA. SO IT'S OPERATING CAPITAL AS WELL. AND THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM A FACILITY IMPROVEMENT FIX OR AN EXTRA ADDED AMENITY THAT SERVES THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S OPERATING. AND THEN FROM A CAPITAL PERSPECTIVE, IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION, WE DO COMPREHENSIVE CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS LIKE WE DID WHEN WE OPENED THE BUILDING WHERE WE GET THE COMMUNITY TO CONTRIBUTE, WHETHER IT'S AGAIN, INDIVIDUAL DONORS, COMPANIES, ALL THE PARTNERS THAT WE CAN BRING TO THE TABLE. WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF PREPARATION FOR A COMPREHENSIVE CAMPAIGN IN CENTRAL OHIO. AND IN THAT CASE, WE BRING MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. AND YOU MENTIONED WE USE THE TERM F.F.A, WHICH IS FURNITURE, FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT. TYPICALLY WHAT THE CITY PERMITS IN THE CITIES WE'VE WORKED IN BEFORE, FOR EXAMPLE, REYNOLDSBURG, THEY WANT TO OWN THE BUILDING, THE STRUCTURE, THE FACILITY. WE BRING IN, THE EQUIPMENT, ALL THE THINGS THAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE THE BUILDING SO THAT THAT'S OUR INITIAL COMMITMENT.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN REYNOLDSBURG, WHAT WE DID IN WHITEHALL, AND WHAT WE ALSO ARE PLANNING TO DO AT THE COLUMBUS STATE COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT. THAT NUMBER, AGAIN, IS IN ADDITION TO THE OPERATING CAPITAL, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RAISE MONEY FOR EVERYTHING WE DO, INCLUDING POOL PACKS AND HVAC SYSTEMS, ALL THE THINGS. THANK YOU. AND SO ASIDE FROM THE BUILD COSTS, ASIDE FROM THE ONGOING OPERATION COSTS THAT WE'VE TALKED THROUGH, I BELIEVE IN A PAST CONVERSATION, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AS YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING AND DOING FUNDRAISING AND DOING THAT. I BS SHARED THAT THROUGH THE MODELS

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THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU'RE GOING WAY BACK TO THE MEETING WE HAD BACK IN, I THINK, 2024.

LET ME LET ME SEE IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT CLEARLY. SO THERE IS OPERATING CAPITAL THAT'S NEEDED WITH SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM, RIGHT? SO TREADMILL GOES DOWN SHORT TERM COSTS, POOL PACK GOES DOWN. YOU GOT TO FIX IT A PUMP OR WHATEVER TO BE. BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE LONG TERM THINGS LIKE THE ROOF, RIGHT? PARKING LOTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. CURRENTLY TODAY, PRIMARILY THE MAJORITY OF THOSE COSTS ARE PAID FOR OUT OF OUR OPERATING DOLLARS. SO A Y MAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THAT MONEY GOES BACK INTO THE PEOPLE IN THE FACILITIES TO HELP CONTINUE TO SERVE. RIGHT. SO THAT THAT IS WHAT WE DO TODAY AND OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS IN DELAWARE.

REYNOLDSBURG, WHITEHALL, THAT'S THE MODEL. EVERYTHING WE MAKE AT THOSE BUILDINGS GOES BACK INTO THE FACILITIES AND THE PEOPLE THAT OPERATE THE BUILDING. AND WHAT I MENTIONED IN THAT EARLY MEETING IS IF I WOULD LOVE IN THE FUTURE, AND THIS WOULD BE A PART OF THE COLLABORATION. I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO THE MAYOR. I'VE MENTIONED IT TO JACK IS A, A PARTNERSHIP THAT'S A MATCHING THAT HAS A MATCHING CAPITAL FUND. SO INSTEAD. SO IN YOUR EXAMPLE, AND WITH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BUILDING A STANDALONE FACILITY, WHEN A ROOF GOES DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT OF YOUR CAPITAL BUDGET. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE PLANNED IN FUTURE CAPITAL, RIGHT? WHEN A POOL PACK GOES DOWN, IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET, JUST LIKE YOU DO WITH THE POOL NOW OR ANY OTHER FACILITY THAT YOU OPERATE.

WHAT AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS A HYBRID FUND. IF WE WERE TO COLLABORATE TOGETHER ON A SINGULAR BUILDING, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE PUT IN MONEY AND THE CITY MATCHES THAT MONEY SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST SOLELY ON OUR HANDS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CAPITAL, BUILDING CAPITAL COSTS.

AND ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION IN BUSINESS UNDERSTANDS CAPITAL COSTS OF THE INFLATION HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY. EVERY PROJECT THAT THE CITY DOES, I KNOW, COSTS MORE THAN IT DID FIVE YEARS AGO. SO IT'S HARD TO PROVIDE ENOUGH NET WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A SUBSIDY, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO OPERATE ON BUSINESS, ON, ON ON A BUSINESS PRINCIPLE. IT'S HARD TO RAISE THE DOLLARS WITHOUT OVERPRICING YOUR MEMBERSHIP, RAISE THE DOLLARS TO NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT ROOF, TO PLAN FOR THAT PARKING LOT. SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A PARTNER THAT WOULD HELP MATCH THOSE COSTS. SO YES, IT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL ASK AND DISCUSS IN THE PLANNING OF THE PARTNERSHIP. IT'S BY NO MEANS A LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT IN ANY OF OUR CURRENT PARTNERSHIPS. BUT I AGAIN WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S STILL A SAVINGS WHEN YOU LOOK LONG TERM BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE 100% OF THOSE COSTS AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 100% OF THOSE COSTS. SO NOW WE'RE BOTH PAYING FOR TWO SEPARATE ROOFS, TWO SEPARATE PARKING LOTS SERVING THE SAME COMMUNITY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN YEAH, PLEASE, I'LL COME BACK TO MY MAYOR. WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. TWO THINGS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION STANDPOINT, WE WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL A MODEL THAT HAS MULTIPLE MEMBERSHIPS. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS YOU GOT ONE CARD, YOU PAY ONE FEE, AND YOU GET IN BOTH THE FACILITIES. AND THESE KIND OF THINGS GET WORKED OUT BY AGREEMENTS AND MECHANICS CAN BE WORKED ON AND SO FORTH. SO JUST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION STANDPOINT, WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. THAT'S NOT THE KIND OF MODEL THAT WE WOULD ENDORSE AT ALL.

THE SECOND ONE IS IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING THAT YOU GO BACK TO MARCH OF 31ST OF 2020, WHEN PRESIDENT CHRISTINE HELPED PUT TOGETHER THE FINANCIAL REVIEW COMMITTEE TASK FORCE. AND IN THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, AGAIN, THIS IS IN 2020 IS A PARAGRAPH THAT GOES THROUGH RECOMMENDATIONS OF A NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT ONE OF THEM WAS I EXPLORE PUBLIC PRIVATE

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SO SIX YEARS AGO, THIS WAS RECOGNIZED AS WE OUGHT TO DO MORE RESEARCH, DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE Y BEING HERE TO SHARE THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY UNKIND IN NOT INTRODUCING OUR FORMER MAYOR AND STATE REP, CHERYL GROSSMAN. AND AGAIN, I I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM MY BEGINNING WITH THE Y, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO RESPOND IF ANYONE DOES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CHRISTINA. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO. I'M KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THE COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY ARE WHAT I KEEP HEARING IS, IS THAT THE CITY WANTS TO OWN AND OPERATE THE FACILITY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE Y IS IMPORTANT TO US, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR MENTIONED IT A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT PRICING. YOU KNOW, IF THESE TWO FACILITIES ARE SIDE BY SIDE, A CONVERSATION BETWEEN JACK AND YOUR YOUR GROUP REGARDING PRRAMSOG OF WHAT IS COMPETE AND NON-COMPETE AND THINGS LIKE THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION AS WELL. AS, YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR MENTIONS, YOU KNOW, DO YOU DO WE HAVE ONE PRICE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR BOTH? OR DO WE HAVE A PRICE WITH A WRITER FOR THE OTHER ONE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THAT TAKES MORE CONVERSATION THAN, THAN HERE TODAY. BUT IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, TO ME THAT SUSTAINS BOTH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BUILD, WE COULD IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES BUILD NEXT TO IT OR BUILD IT, PINNACLE DOESN'T MATTER. AND, AND YOU KNOW, HAVE BOTH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, HAVE VALUE AND NOT BE HURT BY THIS, BY THE, BY EACH OTHER. SO I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING FOR COLLABORATIVE THINGS TO DO. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POOLS YOU GUYS DO A LOT OF, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, TEACHING SWIMMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND YOU HAVE A SENIOR PROGRAMS FOR THAT. YOU ALSO HAVE DAYCARE, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE THINGS THAT YOU DO AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, A POOL FOR US, FOR THE CITY, I BELIEVE WOULD BE MORE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND COMPETITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT WOULD COME IN AND USE IT FOR SWIM MEETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM FOR WORKING TOGETHER HERE. IT COULD BE THROUGH PRICING, IT COULD BE THROUGH A WHOLE LITANY OF OTHER THINGS, AND THAT EVERYBODY CAN PEACEFULLY COEXIST AND EVERYTHING. SO I'M, I'M KIND OF TO THE POINT OF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS ROOM FOR COLLABORATION, IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO SOMEHOW COLLABORATE ON PROGRAM PROGRAM PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ALSO FIGURE OUT A PRICING STRUCTURE SO THE Y IS NOT HURT AND EVERYTHING, MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT AS FAR AS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION TO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE EVERYBODY PEACEFULLY COEXIST HERE, I KNOW THAT WASN'T A QUESTION, BUT CAN I RESPOND TO TWO THINGS? YEAH.

COUNCILMEMBER. THAT WASN'T A QUESTION. I KNOW, BUT TWO THINGS YOU SAID THAT STRUCK ME.

ONE IS WE TALK ABOUT COLLABORATION. ABSOLUTELY. WE ALWAYS WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH OUR LOCAL COMMUNITIES. AND NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE, WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR TOMORROW IN COLLABORATIVE FACILITIES. SO YES, THAT'S ALWAYS ON THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT SAME CONVERSATIONS HAPPENED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND YOU STILL SEE THE 15 TO 25% IMPACT. IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE RESEARCH. IT JUST IT'S JUST THERE. JACK PRESENTED IT.

I PRESENTED IT FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL SOLVE FOR THAT. IT COULD, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THINK YOU OFFER A YOU OFFER A NICHE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, FOR SENIORS AND FOR FOR YOUTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO A VERY LARGE NICHE THAT'S OUT THERE OF PEOPLE THAT AREN'T USING THE Y PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OTHER PLACES BECAUSE EITHER IT'S AN AGE BRACKET THING, IT'S A CLUB THING, IT'S COMPETITION. IT'S A WHOLE LITANY OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVING A COMMUNITY CENTER DRAWS PEOPLE INTO. SO I JUST THINK HAVING HAVING TWO HEALTHY ORGANIZATIONS WITH ONE PRICING STRUCTURE AND, YOU KNOW, AND WORK TOWARDS COLLABORATIVE PROGRAMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE, OF COURSE YOU'RE OFFERING SENIOR SNEAKERS. DO WE HAVE WE THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SUBTLE WITH YOU. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE THINGS ARE. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, WE'VE KEPT SAYING THAT IT HAS TO BE CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED AND EVERYTHING. SO MOVING FORWARD FROM THAT, HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO WE CAN DO PRICING STRUCTURES

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WE HAVE THE PARKS BOARD. WE HAVE A PARKS AND REC DIRECTOR ON OUR BOARD. WE MEET WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR ON A ROUTINE BASIS. AND EVERY TIME WE HAVE THOSE MEETINGS, THERE'S A COMPONENT OF THE AGENDA THAT IS ALL FINANCIALS AND WE GO THROUGH THE FINANCIALS. IN THAT CASE, WE HAVE A ONE, THREE, FIVE AND TEN YEAR PLAN FOR CAPITAL. WE WE PUT WE PAID FOR THE COMMISSIONING OF THE BUILDING. WE WALKED THROUGH IT WITH OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS, A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT, SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T THINK WE'RE SKEWING ANYTHING. AND WE ALL HAVE THE SAME SET OF DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACILITY UPKEEP. WE PRIORITIZE THAT BASED ON THE CITY'S INPUT, AND THEN WE CHOP OFF THOSE THINGS ONE EVERY YEAR BASED ON THAT COLLABORATION. SO WE ARE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT FOR ANYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED.

SO CITIZENS CAN DO PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS THROUGH THE CITY. AND YOU WE DON'T WE IN THIS. OH, IN DELAWARE. YEAH. TECHNICALLY THEY CAN ACTUALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE CONTRACTED WITH THE CITY. I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD TELL YOU THAT ANY AGENCY CONTRACTED WITH A GOVERNMENT IS SUBJECT TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY CALLED OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR UP THERE AND ASKED FOR THE BUDGET, I'M SURE HE'D BE WILLING TO SHARE IT.

OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE I WORKED FOR 20 YEARS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I'M ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. THANK YOU. SO DO WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE Y. YES. ONE THING I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. MURRAY IS SAYING, BUT I THINK COMING OUT OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT, WE HAVE TO GET SOME SUBSTANCE TO THIS $54 MILLION DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY MODELED. IF WE COLLABORATED IN BUILDING A BUILDING. SO IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT'S A TAKEAWAY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOT TO SIT DOWN WITH THE Y TO FIND OUT THE DYNAMICS OF THAT $54 MILLION. THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER, MAYOR. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THOSE ARE DETAILS, OF COURSE, THAT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY TEAM ON. BUT, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER BARRY MENTIONED SWIM COMPETITIONS EARLIER AND FULL SIZE POOLS. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER HOLT MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IT AS WELL. PLEASE KNOW, AND I KNOW JACK WOULD ATTEST TO THE SAME THING. AN OLYMPIC SIZE OR COMPETITIVE POOL IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS OFFERED AT MOST RECREATION CENTERS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DELAWARE COMMUNITY CENTER YMCA THAT WE OPERATE, THERE'S TWO POOLS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REC CENTER, THERE'S TWO POOLS. THOSE ADDITIONAL COSTS, I DON'T KNOW THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ESTIMATES ARE INCLUDED IN EITHER SIDE OF THAT.

SO THAT WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR. THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS. YEAH, EXACTLY.

YEAH. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF WONDERING WHERE THIS NUMBER WAS COMING FROM THAT IS CREATING THIS KIND OF WOW, IT'S SO MUCH LESS SO IN THIS MODEL POOL. JUST AS ONE EXAMPLE, YOUR MODEL IS NOT A COMPETITION POOL AT THAT $54 MILLION COST. CORRECT. BUT I BELIEVE THE CITY'S PRO FORMA WAS SO SO WE HAVE A POOL ALREADY THAT WE HOST COMPETITIONS. WE WE CAN ONLY HOST CERTAIN COMPETITIONS. WE CAN'T HOST USA SWIMMING BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 25 METER POOL, RIGHT? WE ONLY HAVE A 25 METER POOL. SO WE CAN ONLY HOST CERTAIN COMPETITIONS. WE DO HOST HIGH SCHOOL SWIM TEAMS, WE HOST OUR OWN SWIM TEAM, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT IT'S NOT A USA SWIMMING SIZE POOL. WE HAVE THAT IN DELAWARE. THEY'RE MUCH LARGER. WHAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR IS THAT THAT NUMBER CAME FROM THE ESTIMATES BASED OFF OF MOODY NOLAN'S, AND WE CHECKED WITH MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS ON $650 A SQUARE FOOT AND A GOOD NUMBER TO USE

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THAT LIST CAME FROM THE PRIORITIZATION FROM THE GROVE CITY PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. SO, SO THE TOP ELEMENTS OF THAT PLAN ARE INCLUDED IN THAT DESIGN. SO THEN WE PRICE THAT OUT BASED ON THAT. NOW THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE. THERE'S A REALLY LARGE WELLNESS FLOOR. IT'S LARGER THAN MOST OF THE WELLNESS FLOORS WE HAVE TODAY. WE MIGHT REDUCE THAT SO THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADD MORE AQUATIC SPACE. ALL OF THAT IS FUNGIBLE BECAUSE TO THE POINT, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN SINCE MARCH AND BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT HOW THOSE NUMBERS MAY WORK OUT, INCLUDING ADDED AQUATIC SPACE, ADDITIONAL AMENITIES, WHATEVER THOSE ARE. THIS MODEL THAT WE WORKED WITH THE TEAM ON INCLUDED A RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING Y SPACE, SOME EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING Y SPACE, AND ADDING OVER 40,000FT■!S AND DEDICATED PARKS AND RECREATION SPACE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE JOINT LOBBY AND ENTRY AND ENTRY FEATURES. SO THAT WAS AGAIN, BASICS BEFORE MARCH, WHEN WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THE DEPARTMENT ANYMORE. DOES ANYONE HAVE. YEAH, PLEASE. YES.

I GOT I HAVE SEVERAL SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. THE 54 MILLION IS THE PRICE. IF WE IF THEY DONATE THE CURRENT BUILDING. IS THAT WHAT THAT 54 MILLION IS. YEAH I DON'T ARE YOU ASKING ME.

YES. SO THE 54 MILLION INCLUDED OUR BUILDING AS A PART OF THE PROJECT. A RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, LIKE I SAID, A MINOR EXPANSION AND THEN EXPANSION, ADDING ON PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY NOW TO EXPAND? DO WE HAVE $54 MILLION? NO, THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN CHECKED WITH YOU SINCE 2016. ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU BRING TO THE TABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER? SO I MENTIONED THAT WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE SAVINGS, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN? NO, JUST TALKING THROUGH NEW SAVINGS AS WELL AS THE $2 MILLION THAT WE BRING IN FOR. SO IT'S A IT'S A COUPLE MILLION, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE BASICALLY I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. IT'S JUST A COUPLE MILLION, RIGHT? YOU'RE DONATING THE BUILDING AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADD ON TO THE BUILDING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THE STAFF COSTS AND THEY'LL BE SEPARATE. SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY SAVINGS IN IT COST WHAT IT COSTS TO OPERATE.

YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR YOURS AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR OURS. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT SAVINGS THERE AND OPERATIONAL. IT TAKES WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE THE COMPLEX, WHETHER THAT'S YOU OR US. COUNCILMEMBER. I JUST DISAGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION OR A STATEMENT, BUT I DISAGREE THAT THERE IS SAVINGS. WELL, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SAVINGS IN RECEPTIONISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT GROVE CITY IS STILL GOING TO PUT 12 EMPLOYEES INTO THE NEW SPACE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AND I WAS JUST SAYING, IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE THE DEMAND AND YOU HAVE THE MONEY, WHY AREN'T YOU EXPANDING THE WHY TODAY? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU? SO I THOUGHT I LED THAT PRETTY STRONGLY THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE SERVING IN GROVE CITY. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 23 YEARS SERVING. YOU WANT OUR INVESTMENT IN YOU TO MAKE YOUR PLACE BIGGER. AND WE CAN SHARE THE NAMING ON THE BUILDING. WE WOULD, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, WE WOULD COLLABORATE AND OPERATING IN TWO SEPARATE SPACES AND ONE ONE STOP SHOP. AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, I APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR YOUR TAKE ON IT. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THE MILLIONS THAT WE HAVE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE UP TO THIS POINT AND CONTINUE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. IT'S DISAPPOINTING WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER SITS AT A DAIS AND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT. I RECOGNIZE YOU AND YOU'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 23 YEARS, I GET IT, THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THERE. IT'S A YOU KNOW, THIS IS CAPITALISM. IF THERE WASN'T ROOM FOR ANOTHER MOO MOO CAR WASH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THREE. I WOULD ASK, WOULD THE GOVERNMENT BUILD A CAR WASH TO COMPETE WITH MOO MOO? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S CAPITALISM. IN THAT CASE, CAPITALISM, WHEN IT'S SUPPORTED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THE REASON IT'S BUILT BY THE GOVERNMENT IS SO IT CAN BE CHEAPER TO THE RESIDENTS AND PROVIDE ALL ACCESS. AND WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF INVESTING THAT TYPE OF MONEY THAT THE SINGLE BUSINESSES MAY NOT DO. YOU COULD MAKE THE SAME ARGUMENT WITH STARBUCKS AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE CANNIBALIZATION OF MEMBERS FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. IN FACT, I'M HAPPY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF A LOT OF RESIDENT NOTES THAT COME IN TO ME. THEY'RE ILL INFORMED. THEY'RE LIKE, WHY ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE WHY? WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE WHY.

THE WHY CAN EXIST WHERE IT IS. AND THERE'LL BE A GROVE CITY COMMUNITY CENTER. AND IT'S MY CONTINUED DESIRE TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE WEARING GROVE CITY SHIRTS. AND THEY KNOW IT'S A GROVE CITY RESIDENT KIND OF PLACE. AND IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, THEY'RE CALLING GROVE CITY BECAUSE THEY WILL ANYWAY. IF IT'S A YMCA GROVE CITY AND SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM, THEY'RE

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AND WHETHER IT COSTS 20 OR $30 MILLION TO ADD ON VERSUS 70 OR 80, I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT COVERED. FAIR ENOUGH. DO WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE Y, OR DO WE WANT TO KIND OF MOVE TOWARDS SOME COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS? I JUST WANT TO YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM JACK AND FROM YOU AND CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD IN MEETING. I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE RESEARCH SURVEY THAT WAS THAT HAPPENED, AND I WAS A LITTLE CONFUSED ON SOME OF THE YOUR REMARKS. IT WAS TO THE VOTERS, THE RESIDENTS. BUT WERE THEY Y MEMBERS? NO, THESE ARE VOTERS IN GROVE CITY, AND I HAVE E-M-C HERE IF YOU'D LIKE THEM TO SPEAK TO THE RESEARCH. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO THE, THE THE RESEARCH WAS CONDUCTED AMONG ALL VOTERS. IT WAS NOT ONLY AMONG GROVE CITY MEMBERS, IT WAS ALL VOTERS. SO WHEN WE ASKED, DID YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION BEYOND I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, SO WE CONDUCTED HOW MANY. IT WAS A SURVEY OF 300 VOTERS ACROSS THE CITY. IT WAS LAST JUNE FROM ABOUT THE 16TH TO THE 22ND, 300 VOTERS, 300 VOTERS RANDOMLY PICKED PARDON RANDOMLY A RANDOM A RANDOM SAMPLE. SO WHAT WE DO WHEN WE DID THIS POLL WAS DREW A RANDOM SAMPLE OF VOTERS IN THE THE CITY, AND THEN THEY WERE RANDOMLY CONTACTED BY A COMBINATION OF LIVE TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS AS WELL AS EMAIL AND TEXT INVITATIONS TO TAKE THE SURVEY ONLINE. SO IT WAS A RANDOM SAMPLE, AND WE COMPLETED A I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SLIDES MOVING IT TO THE FRONT OF YOUR. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. SO HERE. UP. GOT IT. HERE'S THE FULL METHODOLOGY. METHODOLOGY. SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION, LIKE I SAID, OF PHONE AND ONLINE INTERVIEWS AND, YOU KNOW, A RANDOM SAMPLING OF VOTERS SO THAT WE HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE POPULATION AS A WHOLE. OKAY. THAT'S JUST I JUST WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON HOW BECAUSE IT WAS VERY LIMITED SCOPE THAT WE HAD RECEIVED. YEAH. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION WAS IN REGARDS TO WALKING IN THE DOOR, AND THERE'S THE WIDE ON ONE SIDE AND THE GROVE CITY TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TWO MEMBERSHIPS OR ONE MEMBERSHIP. AGAIN, THE HYPOTHETICALS. ABSOLUTELY. HOW WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IF IT'S CITY RAN, CONSTRUCTED, OPERATED, STAFFED THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SMALL PERCENTAGE OF A POTENTIAL TAX INCREASE, INCOME TAX INCREASE TO SUBSIDIZE THAT IF IT WAS OPERATED BY THE Y, HOW WOULD YOU SUBSIDIZE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE OPERATING COST? SO WHEN WE OPERATE THE CURRENT YMCA, WE OPERATE IT IN A IN A WAY THAT IT PAYS FOR ITS COST. SO THERE IS NO SUBSIDY. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE OUR INTENTION GOING FORWARD WITH ANY PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WOULD OPERATE. BUT I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE STILL HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE TEAM THAT WAS STOPPED IN MARCH TO SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WERE VAGUE. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE VAGUE. WE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE. YEAH. BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, WE BASED THE SUBSIDY IN THE PERFORMA BASED ON A LOW INTEREST INTEREST ENTRY RATE FOR THE MEMBERSHIP. THE Y MIGHT HAVE TO BE A HIGHER MEMBERSHIP TO NOT HAVE THE SUBSIDY. I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, I YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS. I IT'S POTENTIAL THAT YOUR NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN OUR NUMBERS IN TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP FEES. AND YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR, WHETHER IT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER OR YMCA BASED ON WHAT THE OPERATIONAL NEEDS ARE. I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO I CAN'T CITE THE EXACT DATES AND NUMBERS, BUT I DO REMEMBER THAT WHEN THE HILLIARD WELL OPENED UP, THE RATES WERE PROJECTED TO BE SOMETHING. AND WHEN AFTER IT OPENED UP, THEY THEY WERE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ORIGINAL PROJECTIONS WERE. I DON'T KNOW THE LOGIC BEHIND IT.

I WASN'T IN THEIR MEETINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SIMILARLY, WE LOOK AT RATE INCREASES WHEN, WHEN, OR AS I GUESS LEAST OFTEN AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. BUT WE DO HAVE OUR MEMBERS UNDERSTAND

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WHEREAS THE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, WE HAVE THE ABILITY AGAIN, IN OUR BUDGET TO USE TAXES. SUBSIDIZE THAT. YES. RIGHT. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR REYNOLDSBURG COLLABORATION, THE CITY BUILT IT AND YOU OPERATE IT AND YOU HAVE UP AND DOWN YEARS. TO ME, THAT'S ALSO CONCERNING AS FINANCIALLY THE FINANCIAL PICTURE BUDGET, AS MISS ANDERSON TALKED ABOUT, YOU ALSO HAVE A COLLABORATION. WHAT IN DUBLIN YOU SAID DELAWARE.

DELAWARE, DELAWARE, WHITEHALL, LIBERTY TOWNSHIP AND REYNOLDSBURG. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE.

NO. THOSE ARE ALL VERY DIFFERENT MODELS. I MEAN, THERE'S VARIATIONS ON EACH ONE.

YES. THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE IN. I'M NOT SURE THE QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE THE BUSINESS FLOW, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YOU HAVE YEARS THAT YOU'RE UP IN MARGIN AND SOME YEARS YOU'RE DOWN IN MARGIN. BUT THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF BEING A PART OF AN ASSOCIATION. WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL Y'S CONTINUE TO GROW AND AND ARE ABLE TO SUSTAIN IN THE COMMUNITIES THEY'RE IN. I GUESS I WOULD THAT GOES BACK TO THE DATA WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMPARISON. AND I STILL THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DATA MISSING IN COMPARISON. IT'S A. THAT'S A VERY VAGUE REPRESENTATION IN COMPARISON. SO I GUESS I'M STILL LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I GUESS THAT'S MY FINAL COMMENT ON THAT. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOUR RESEARCH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST TO KIND OF TAG ON TO MISS BURROWS. AND I THINK WHAT I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT, RIGHT, IS BRINGING YOU UP HERE AND GIVING YOU THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. RIGHT. AND WE ALSO DID A SURVEY THROUGH, ETC. SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLARIFYING FOR OUR MEMBERS THAT THROUGH THE WORK OF THE PARK BOARD, THROUGH THE WORK OF PAST MEMBERS IN 2023, ETC. THE INSTITUTE ALSO DID A SURVEY OF GROVE CITY COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT DROVE A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION TOWARDS A CITY OWNED CITY, OPERATED, LARGE MULTI GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER. IN THIS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES THAT WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT, WHICH I KNOW TONY WAS DEFINITELY WANTING TO SPEAK TO, IS THAT 68% OF THE, OF THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS TO THIS SURVEY WANT A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED. SO I JUST WANT TO CALL THAT OUT THAT THERE IS ANOTHER SURVEY BY, ETC. AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE Y SANCTIONED MC TO DO THIS SURVEY.

YES. ETC. AND ETC. THANK YOU. MC. SO WITH THE SURVEY DONE PREVIOUSLY, THEY WERE HOPING 300 PEOPLE WOULD RESPOND. THEY HAD RESPONDENTS, 664 RESPONDENTS. THEY KNOW IT WAS A STATISTICALLY SOUND SURVEY. SO ACROSS DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WAS YOURS A STATISTICALLY SOUND SURVEY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THROUGH A COMBINATION OF THE RANDOM SELECTION OF PARTICIPANTS AS WELL AS MEASURES THAT WE TAKE DURING THE FIELDING, WE TRACK THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COMMUNITY AND LOOK AND COMPARE THOSE EACH DAY AS WE COMPLETE THOSE INTERVIEWS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GATHERING INTERVIEWS FROM A REPRESENTATIVE PORTION. SO IF THERE ARE 55% OF THE COMMUNITY ARE MEN, WE MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE COLLECTING THOSE INTERVIEWS, 55% OF OUR INTERVIEWS ARE JUST TO MATCH THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE KNOW IN THEHE COMMUNITY. AND THEN WE TAKE MEASURES AFTER WE COMPLETE DATA COLLECTION TO WAIT ANY DEMOGRAPHICS THAT ARE OUT OF LINE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE PRESENT THESE RESULTS, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN OUR SAMPLE MATCH, THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE KNOW TO BE TRUE OF ALL VOTERS IN THE CITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S ALSO HARD TO COMPARE BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS ARE SO DIFFERENT. THE ANSWERS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS WELL, I GUESS. CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM IT WAS THE WHY, THE WHY? THE DEFINITELY PRESENTED ALL THE QUESTIONS FOR THIS EMC RESEARCH SURVEY. THE THE QUESTIONNAIRE ITSELF WAS DRAFTED IN COLLABORATION WITH WITH THE WHY? YES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK WITH THEM AND, AND TALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO DESIGN IT IN A WAY THAT'S NOT BIASING EITHER, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS AN INDEPENDENT RESEARCH FIRM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE PAINS AND WE WORK TO, TO DRAFT IT OURSELVES AND WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THE Y TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISREPRESENTING TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS DEFINITELY DO FEEL BIASED AND A LITTLE BIT LEADING. I WILL JUST SAY, AND MAYBE THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER CAN I FOLLOW UP QUESTION THAT WE'RE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, ARE YOU A Y MEMBER? YES, WE DID HAVE THAT IN THE SURVEY. IF I SCROLL, THERE'S ONE SECTION ON THIS

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QUESTION ABOUT THE RESEARCH OR DO WE WANT TO DO COUNCIL DISCUSSION. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE MR. STURM. YEAH. WELL LET ME LET ME ABOUT THE THE RESEARCH. NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO CLAIM POTENTIAL BIAS. YOU COULD SAY THE CITY'S ORIGINAL WOULD BE THE SAME WAY. THE QUESTION WAS, WAS 68, 69% SAID CITY OPERATED. IF I HAD GOTTEN THAT QUESTION ON THE ON A SURVEY, WHICH I DID NOT, I WAS NOT ONE OF THEM. BUT IF I DID, IF I READ THAT QUESTION, IT'S VAGUE ENOUGH THAT I WOULD HAVE SAID, YEAH, SURE, OF COURSE I WANT THE CITY TO RUN IT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DO NOT WANT A COLLABORATION WITH SOMEBODY ELSE. AND I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'RE WE'RE LEANING ON THAT ONE QUESTION IS, COULD BE SEEN AS BIASED IN AND OF ITSELF. WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT WASN'T THE QUESTION ABOUT THAT. IT WAS THE QUESTION OF WHO ALL, ALL, ALL OF THOSE. AND WE'RE PROBABLY WE'RE PROBABLY OKAY BECAUSE THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. TO BE CLEAR, THAT'S FROM THE ETSI. YEAH. NO, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IF I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE, THAT, THAT THAT QUESTION, I MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED IT THAT WAY TOO. NOT NECESSARILY MEANING WE GOT TO KEEP KEEP THE Y OR WHOEVER YOU KNOW OUT OF IT. SO THAT THAT QUESTION IN MY OPINION, WAS, WAS FAIRLY VAGUE TO BEGIN WITH. WELL, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE WEREN'T WE DIDN'T JUST ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE, THE, THE, THE SAMPLING? WHAT IS THE STATISTIC SAMPLING ON THAT ONE? WAS IT WAS IT VOTERS? WAS IT RESIDENTS? WHAT WAS IT WAS RESIDENTS. IT WAS A STATISTICALLY SOUND SURVEY. AND 664 RESPONDED. I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO UNPACKAGE PART OF VOTERS OR VOTERS OR RESIDENTS. ALRIGHT, SO SO WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT SAMPLES. AND IF WE WANT TO UNPACK TOTALLY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. SO HOW DO YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE? THAT'S THAT'S COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE RESEARCH? I JUST WANT TO BE COGNIZANT TO LET THE GENTLEMAN SIT DOWN AND WE CONTINUE WITH COUNCIL CONVERSATION. OR DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. I JUST JUST A STATEMENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO THANK THE Y AS WELL FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED TO JACK, I'M WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION. WE KNOW THAT WE WILL CALL YOU UP FOR CONVERSATION JUST AS MUCH AS WE MIGHT, YOU KNOW, CALL ON THE CITY AS WELL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO FOR A PERSON THAT HAS DONE POLYMATRIX A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, SAMPLES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE TIME THEY'RE TAKEN, OBVIOUSLY. AND UNLESS THE QUESTIONS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME OVER THE TIME PERIOD, LIKE WE DO OUR COMMUNITY SURVEY, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO SEE A TREND. SO, I MEAN, I MEAN, ONCE WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING, IF WE WANT TO GO OUT AND DO A QUICK SURVEY, WE CAN DO THAT AND DO OUR OWN. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WITH THE ECONOMY OBVIOUSLY HAS COULD AFFECT THINGS. WHAT HAPPENED THREE YEARS BEFORE, TWO YEARS BEFORE AND THREE YEARS BEFORE COULD OBVIOUSLY AFFECT THINGS. SO AGAIN, POLLING IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE TIME IT'S TAKEN AND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ANSWERED. SO LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE PLEASE. OKAY. I THINK IF WE COME UP WITH A BACK TO THE FINANCING AND WHETHER WE CAN AFFORD IT OR NOT COMES BACK TO THE ISSUE OF TAXATION. OKAY? AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST POLLING YOU CAN GET. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, JUST A SMALL PORTION OF A TAX INCREASE GOES TOWARD THE COMMUNITY BUILDING, WOULD THEY SAY YES OR WOULD THEY SAY NO? I HAVE NO IDEA, MISS. MR. ODINGA, THIS IS ONLY A SMALL FRACTION, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A POLICE PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. WE'VE GOT WE'RE SHORT POLICE OFFICERS. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO EXPAND THE POLICE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS. AND THIS IS ONLY A VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL PART OF THE LARGER NEED. AND OUR FIRST NEED IS PUBLIC SAFETY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS CLEAR WITH THAT IT WAS A SMALL PORTION OF IT, BUT THE, IF I MAY, THE, THE PERCEPTION HAS BEEN THAT THE TAX INCREASE WAS FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE HAVE NOT JUST ADDRESSED THAT YET. RIGHT. AND MAYBE WE NEED A WORK SESSION TO TALK ABOUT AN INCOME TAX PIECE. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT. THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OF THE. THE COMMITTEES FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LARGER EDUCATIONAL CONVERSATION AROUND ALL OF THE THINGS TO HELP WITH THAT MISCONCEPTION. SO, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'M NEW ON COUNCIL, COUNCIL, AS WE ALL KNOW. SO I WAS, I WAS ASKING A LOT OF

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AND A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GONE ON HERE AND THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT HAVE HAVE ACTUALLY EVEN SPEARHEADED THIS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE A YEAR BEHIND ALMOST BECAUSE OF THE LAST COUNCIL'S PASSING OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT SAID, STOP TALKING TO THE Y. AND AS A RESULT, WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS HERE TONIGHT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE BEEN FLESHED OUT OVER THE LAST YEAR, AND WE COULD HAVE HAD THIS INFORMATION. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING ALL ALONG, IS SHOW ME A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF, OF, OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I MEAN, I THINK IT WAS MR. CLARK, I THINK IT WAS LAST TIME YOU TALKED ABOUT WHY NOT BOTH. AND ACTUALLY, I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT THE, THE, THIS MOCK UP ACTUALLY THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS BOTH ON ONE SITE. I MEAN, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO IT'S, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PLACE WHERE EVERYTHING STOPPED LAST MARCH BECAUSE OF THIS RESOLUTION. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE ADMINISTRATION MAY OR NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE ADMINISTRATION CREATE DO REALLY DRILL DOWN ON THE FINANCIALS OF BOTH, IF NOT THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT AND LITERALLY SHOW US SIDE BY SIDE WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND WE WOULD THEN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DETAILED INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, ONE MEMBERSHIP VERSUS TWO. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR OVER A YEAR. YEAH. THIS THIS RESOLUTION IS STILL IN EFFECT AS WE SIT HERE TODAY. AND TO GET THEM TO DO THAT, WE WOULD EITHER NEED TO RESEND THIS RESOLUTION, PASS A NEW RESOLUTION OR REAFFIRM THIS RESOLUTION. I THINK IT WOULD BE. SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO REAFFIRM THIS, YOU COULD TAKE A VOTE TO REAFFIRM IT. IF YOU GOT FOUR VOTES, IT STAYS IN PLACE. IF YOU DON'T GET FOUR VOTES, CAN'T TALK. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISSERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS TO NOT EXPLORE THESE OPTIONS. I MEAN, WE ALL WERE ASKING QUESTIONS HERE TONIGHT. I CERTAINLY HEAR YOU AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO SHARE THE PERSPECTIVE OF SO MANY OF THE PAST YEARS OF WORK THAT HAVE HAS ALREADY GONE INTO THIS. AND I, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE AS A NEW MEMBER AND TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED AS FAST AS YOU CAN, THAT RESOLUTION WAS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS, AND THAT WAS THE WORK DONE BY THE PARK BOARD, THE FEASIBILITY THAT WAS DONE IN 2023. AND I THINK, TED, YOU HAD MENTIONED YOU YOU FEEL THAT STUDIES CHANGE OFTEN. I, I PROBABLY DISAGREE. THERE WAS A FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE ALSO BY THE CITY. I DON'T EXACTLY RECALL THE YEAR. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS AROUND 2014. AND A LOT OF THE INFORMATION DIDN'T CHANGE. AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE ALSO UP AGAINST IS THE PRECIPICE OF. AND I THINK, MR. HOLT, YOU KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS, IS THIS THE TIME THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING A DECISION TO FUND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO A THIRD PARTY, 500 13C OR IS THIS THE TIME, AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AS COUNCIL, AS PART OF OUR GOALS, THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT TO BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY? I THINK WHEN WE STARTED OUR GOALS SESSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, IN JANUARY OF 2024, WITH ALL THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO FULLY DIVE INTO GOALS, BUT WE DID HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM SAPERSTEIN THAT HAS SHOWED THAT TRENDS IN THE FAVORABILITY OF GROVE CITY HAS HAS DECLINED OVER THE YEARS. IT WAS A PUBLIC WORK SESSION. AND THE NOTES ARE ARE THERE. IT WAS OUR FIRST. I WANT TO SAY IT WAS JANUARY, BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY WHAT IT WAS.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING AS A COUNCIL ABOUT THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT TO BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE AMENITIES THAT WE WANT TO STAND FOR, THAT HELPS CONTINUE TO DRIVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE CONTINUED THEIR COLLABORATIONS WITH THE Y. BUT WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT COMMUNITIES AROUND CENTRAL OHIO AND AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES IN THEIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT HAVE THEIR OWN CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTERS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CONVERSATION HAS BEEN ABOUT.

IT'S NOT A US VERSUS THEM OR AND I THINK WHEN THE COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT BOTH EXISTING, I DON'T THINK IT WAS REALLY IN THE SAME BUILDING. I THINK IT WAS MORE OF SEPARATE ENTITIES CAN EXIST IN THIS ECOSYSTEM THAT WE HAVE, BUT IT JUST CONTINUES TO BUILD ON THE AMENITIES THAT OUR CITY, THAT GROVE CITY CAN HAVE AND CAN STAND FOR. AND I THINK THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT I CONTINUE TO GET FROM RESIDENTS. THAT'S THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM THE PARK BOARD. THAT'S THE THE REASON OF THAT RESOLUTION. AND I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF AFFIRMING THAT RESOLUTION AND CONTINUING DOWN THE PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN ON FOR SO LONG TO DRIVE. LOOKING AT A CITY OWNED CITY, OPERATED AT A STANDALONE FACILITY AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO IF I COULD CLARIFY. SO AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON JUST SO WE HAVE SIDE

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DOES EVERYBODY AGREE THAT THE FACILITY SHOULD BE CITY CONTROLLED? I THINK THAT'S YEAH.

I THOUGHT WE AGREED TO THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE THAT OUR PART OF THE FACILITY SHOULD BE OPERATED BY THE CITY? I THINK WHEN YOU SAY IT LIKE THAT, ARE PART OF THE FACILITY THAT'S ALREADY STARTING TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN A, A, A, A MIXED USE BUILDING. AND AGAIN, I THINK THE RESOLUTION, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE HAS BEEN A STANDALONE, MULTI-GENERATIONAL. MY, MY THING IS, IS IF THEY'RE CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONNECTED. BUT I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO GOTTEN TO THAT DECISION THOUGH. I THINK THAT IS LEADING DECISION VERSUS I'M TRYING TO DO THOUGH, IS UNDERSTAND WHERE PEOPLE ARE ON THIS ON THIS DAIS. ARE YOU ON AT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED? I HEARD WE WANTED CITY OWNED.

DO WE WANT IT CITY OPERATED? BECAUSE IN ORDER TO MOVE DOWN THAT DO IT LIKE ALLEN WANTS TO HAVE THESE SIDE BY SIDES. THAT QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. SO I THOUGHT WE ANSWERED THE LAST MEETING. OKAY. WE WANT A CITY OWNED CITY OPERATED. OKAY. IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT? WE RULED OUT IN THAT SAME MEETING THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE HIRTH PROPERTY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES AS FAR PARK OR PINNACLE. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY MADE THOSE DECISIONS. OKAY. IS THAT AN AGREEMENT TO EVERYBODY? YOU SAY ABOUT PINNACLE? SORRY, THE TWO THAT WE HAD ARE OKAY, FRIAR PARK. OKAY, SO THE COMPARISON, AS FAR AS I WOULD SUGGEST, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE TAXPAYERS AS TO WHY YOU'RE FORFEITING AT THE LOW END, $16 MILLION OF CONSTRUCTION COST, ONLY CONSTRUCTION OR UP TO $30 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL THE TAXPAYERS WHY WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THOSE SAVINGS UNTIL WE PROVE IT, AND WE GOT TO PROVE THAT THOSE ARE THE REAL NUMBERS.

SO STICKING WITH THE CAPITAL, THE ASSET, WE GOT TO DRILL THAT DOWN AND MAKE SURE WE GET THEIR NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NOMENCLATURE IS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AND BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS, TO THE TAXPAYERS AND SAY, THIS IS WHY WE DECIDE THAT, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING. YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WHEN WE THE FIRST MEETING, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, I SAID, WHY? WHY DID WE DECIDE NOT TO WORK WITH THE WHY? AND I NEVER, I NEVER HAVE GOTTEN AN ANSWER OTHER THAN THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED. BUT ALLEN, WHEN YOU SAY WORK WITH THE. WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT COLLABORATIVE PROGRAMS? THAT'S WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST YEAR. OKAY. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. SO AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT LOCATIONS OUTSIDE OF PINNACLE AND THE WHY? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S IT WILL PLAY A BIG FACTOR IN MY DECISION FOR ME. IF PINNACLE IS STILL THE TOP LOCATION, THAT CHANGES MY PERSPECTIVE ON THE WHY PARTNERSHIP. IF WE START EXPLORING DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, THEN THAT CHANGES MY MY VIEW ON THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE YMCA.

SO ARE WE SET IN STONE ON WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE PINNACLE AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE THE YMCA PARTNERSHIP. ARE WE STILL CONSIDERING OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL? I, I WOULD SAY THAT BASED ON THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND THE RECOMMENDATION, JUST AS MUCH AS THE FEEDBACK AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS EXPAND THE TIF AND DO AN INCOME TAX INCREASE. AND WE WERE MARCHING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS. TAKING THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, I WOULD ALSO BE A PROPONENT OF TAKING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT IDENTIFIED TOP SITES OUT OF 18 SITES THROUGH VERY CRITICAL 52, YOU KNOW, PIECE DATA. AND I THINK WE CONTINUE TO DRIVE FORTH THAT RECOMMENDATION REALLY AT THE TOP BEING PINNACLE PARK. BECAUSE AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK WE SHOULD, FOR A POINT OF CLARITY, BRING BACK THE WHERE THE Y WAS ORIGINALLY, EXCUSE ME, WHERE FRIAR PARK WAS ORIGINALLY WHEN THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE FIRST EVALUATED THE CRITERIA. FRIAR PARK WAS NOT IN THE TOP. IT WAS ONLY BROUGHT TO THE TOP IF THE Y WAS NO LONGER IN IN THE PICTURE. AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY DANGEROUS CONVERSATION. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON IT PUT FRIAR PARK UP THERE. SO WOULD YOU GUYS.

THE THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT LAST SUMMER ACTUALLY DIDN'T SAY EXACTLY THAT. I BELIEVE I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME, BUT I BELIEVE WHAT IT ACTUALLY SAID IS WE SHOULD RECONSIDER FRIAR AND RECONSIDER WORKING WITH THE Y. I'M PARAPHRASING THAT WAS NOT THE. YEAH, IT DID NOT SAY YOU

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BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DETAILS THAT WE'VE GOT TO PUT ON THE TABLE AND MAKE SURE WE GET SOME UNDERSTANDING. JUST LIKE I MENTIONED TONIGHT, ONE CARD, ONE MEMBERSHIP FEE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING LESS. I'D PUT THAT RIGHT WITH CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED ONE CARD, ONE FEE.

DOES THAT CHANGE THE PROGRAMING THEN THAT THE Y WOULD CURRENTLY OFFER IN THAT ASPECT? PROBABLY.

SO IS DOES ALL THE MEMBERS UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE AT? NOW? THE OTHER THING I MIGHT MENTION, MR. BERRY, YOUR POINT ABOUT THE THE INCOME TAX AND THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE NEED TO FINANCE, WE'VE GOT THAT. AND WHAT DID WE SAY, TWO BUCKETS OR THREE BUCKETS IN TERMS OF EARMARKING THE. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD EARMARK IT A PERCENTAGE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. YOU COULD EARMARK A PERCENTAGE FOR SAFETY, EARMARK A PERCENTAGE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN DO. YEAH. BUT WE WE DON'T SEE YOU GOING TO THE VOTERS AND VOTING POLICE PENSION. NO NO, NO IT'S ALL ONE. IT WOULD BE BUCKETS AND WE WOULD PRORATE OR BREAK UP THE. WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THAT WITH OUR FINANCE CHAIRMAN OVER HERE. RIGHT. SO JODY, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE BEFORE WE LEAVE? WELL, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CLARIFICATION AROUND WHAT WHAT THE COMPARISONS, WHAT ARE WE COMPARING AND WHAT LOCATION. I MEAN, I MEAN, SO WE COMPARE A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED 100%. NO THIRD PARTY OR ON PINNACLE PARK LOCATION. OR ARE WE COMPARING A COLLABORATION PARTNERSHIP ON THE ONLY THE FIRE. I THINK BOTH. SO WE WOULD BRING BUILD SOMETHING ON PINNACLE PARK POTENTIALLY AND ALSO HAVE THE. WELL, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. I CAN ALSO SEE THAT WORKING. I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS.

AND JODY, WHAT I WHAT I LOOK AT IS, IS IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON WITH THE Y AND IN A CITY OWNED CITY OPERATED FACILITY, THAT THERE WILL DICTATE WHETHER WE WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION OR WE WANT TO GO SEPARATE, WHICH WOULD BE PINNACLE. SO BUT, YOU

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AND IT WOULD IT WOULD BE A STANDALONE AT PINNACLE BECAUSE YOU. THE ANALYSIS WE DO IS IF THEY ONLY ADDED, IF WE ADDED ON TO THE Y AT FRIAR AND A STANDALONE AT PINNACLE. NO WAY.

WITH NO Y. CORRECT. WHAT ABOUT OTHER ENTITIES LIKE HEALTHCARE ENTITIES THAT WOULD HAVE LOOKED TO PARTNER WITH GROVE CITY? SIMILAR TO THOSE ARE NEUTRAL THOUGH. THOSE ARE NEUTRAL. YEAH.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WOULD THAT COULD ALSO EXIST. THAT'S EITHER ONE PLACE OR THE OTHER IS A GIVEN. WELL, YOU HOPE IT'S A GIVEN. ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS WHEN TAMMY APRIL OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS APRIL 6TH. OKAY. HAVE YOU MADE ANY HE NEEDS MARY, YOU NEED THREE WEEKS TO GET THIS DONE. YES. ALRIGHT, I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING.

DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR SOME SOME DIRECTION THIS EVENING OR. NO? YEAH, I THINK WE DO THAT. I MEAN I WOULD BE OF I HEAR WHAT COUNCIL NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ASKING FOR.

AGAIN I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE THE TOPIC THAT WE HAVE BEEN DRIVING FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW. SO MY MOTION WOULD BE TO AFFIRM OUR CURRENT LEGISLATION AND DRIVE FORWARD IN WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET TO, IS JUST SEEING ONE ENTITY IN A SEPARATE LOCATION FROM THE WHY SO NOT AT FRIAR PARK. SO I WOULD I WOULD WANT TO AFFIRM OUR CURRENT LEGISLATION THAT PREVENTS THE THAT THAT THAT PREVENTS THE CREATION OF A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. YES. AGAIN, I'M SAYING THAT I'M DRIVING THE CONVERSATION AND THE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN DRIVING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. I'M GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING I'VE ASKED BEFORE. THEN WHERE IS THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON THAT LED US TO THAT CONCLUSION IN THE FIRST PLACE? A YEAR AGO? I THINK YOU'RE ARTICULATING OR TRYING TO ASSUME THAT THERE WASN'T A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO THIS. NO,

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THAT'S 25 YEARS OLD. AND I COULD BUILD THAT SAME 50,000 BRAND NEW IN THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER FOR ABOUT THE SAME PRICE. WE JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT GIFTING WITH THE WITH THE Y.

WELL, WE HEARD THE SAME ARGUMENT ABOUTBO BROOK PARK. YE. I STILL SUPPORT THAT ARGUMENT.

YEAH. WELL, WE GOT ALMOST THE ROOMS THAT WERE ALLOCATED TO US ALL FULL GYM THAT'S FULL AND THE THEATER IS GOING TO BE USED. SO YOU THAT ANALYSIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY STAND UP BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WHEN THE Y PUT THIS $54 MILLION TOGETHER. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD AN ENGINEER AND A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DO SOME ANALYSIS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THAT ANALYSIS IS. SO I THINK WE'RE AT AN IMPASSE HERE BECAUSE IF YOU WANT THE ADMINISTRATION TO PROCEED WITH THAT SIDE BY SIDE. THEY'LL BE RUNNING AGAINST CRO825. SO WE EITHER HAVE TO VOTE THAT AND RESCIND IT OR BE RESCINDED, OR WE CAN VOTE TO. IF WE DON'T RESCIND IT, THEN THAT MEANS IT'S IN PLACE AND IT CONTINUES IN PLACE. OKAY. SHOULD BE RESCINDED. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND IT TO GET THE INFORMATION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THERE'S A SECOND. HOLD ON. SO YOUR MOTION IS TO RESCIND RESOLUTION CRO8 25 TO GET THE RESEARCH? YEP. MR.

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THEY WOULD STILL MEET ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HAVE CONVERSATIONS.

YES. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WHETHER YOU RESCIND THIS OR AFFIRM IT, I THINK THAT STILL MAKES THE ANSWER AS CLEAR AS MUD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE CITY COULD STILL TALK TO THE WHY ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP WHERE WE OWN AND OPERATE IT, AND THEY DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO I THINK IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET CLARITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET YOU THERE. I AGREE, I CAN, I AGREE. WELL, IF I COULD, MR. SMITH, IT SAYS WITHOUT APPROVAL, THE COUNCIL. SO WE COULD WE COULD STILL APPROVE WITH COUNCIL AND STILL HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN PLACE. RESOURCES, STAFF, STAFF RESOURCES. WHAT THIS WAS THIS RESOLUTION SAYS THE ADMINISTRATION REQUEST IS NOT TO EXPEND ANY FINANCIAL OR STAFF RESOURCES. SO IF YOU WANT TO RESEND, IT SHOULD BE ITEM NUMBER FIVE. AND WE'RE BACK TO WHERE WE COULD MAKE SENSE. I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO RESEND IT. I THINK YOU COULD JUST GIVE APPROVAL AND IT STILL MEETS THE STATEMENTS AND THE RESOLUTION.

I DON'T AGREE IS THERE. I THINK MR. OMAR SAID THIS AS WELL TOO. THANK YOU FOR RESCINDING THAT MOTION RIGHT NOW MR. BERRY, I THINK YOU WERE WANTING TO DRIVE FORTH IN A DECISION REALLY IN MORE OF ARE WE LOOKING AT JUST ONE SINGLE CITY OPERATED, CITY OWNED WITH NO COLLABORATIONS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DRIVE TO A DECISION OF JUST MAKING A DECISION AS TO IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A SINGLE OPTION OR CONTINUE WORKING ON THIS POTENTIAL PARTNERSHIP. AND IF THE VOTE TONIGHT IS THAT WE ARE NO LONGER GOING TO PURSUE THAT, THEN START TALKING ABOUT LOCATIONS FOR AND I KNOW PINNACLES AT THE TOP OF MOST OF YOUR LIST, BUT TALKING ABOUT LOCATIONS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED SINGLE COMMUNITY CENTER, PLEASE MISS A COUPLE COMMENTS ON THAT. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I BEING A BEING A MEMBER OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, THE ONLY REASON THAT PINNACLE PARK LANDED WHERE IT DID IS THERE SEEMS TO BE LIKE SOME BIAS AGAINST BECAUSE IT'S

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MOVING FORWARD WITH WHERE WE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR AS FAR AS DRIVING FORWARD WITH A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. YES. I THOUGHT THAT WAS CLEAR. THE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION. YES. DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF THE MAYOR SUPPORTS THIS RESOLUTION? BECAUSE HE WILL NOT. OKAY, FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT. WE'VE COME CLEAR DOWN THIS ROAD ALREADY, AND TO NOT DO A COMPARISON IS NOT IS NOT BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY, PERIOD. SO I WANT CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. I WANT THOSE THINGS. BUT AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME, I WANT TO I WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE NUMBERS ARE SO FAR APART. YEAH, I WANT TO. I MEAN, WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO KNOW WHY THE NUMBERS ARE SO FAR APART. SO THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING NO ON IT.

I'M IN AGREEMENT. I WANT TO SEE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SINCE THE BEGINNING AND WE STILL HAVEN'T HAD WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE I WOULD HAVE AN ADEQUATE RESPONSE TO. SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHY WE WENT THE WAY WE DID, EVEN IF IT ENDS UP BEING A WAY THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH, I

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SO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? I DON'T FEEL I HAVE ENOUGH FINANCIAL INFORMATION, MAYBE JUST ME. BUT IF PEOPLE ASK ME A QUESTION, I HAVE TO BE CONVINCED IT'S A DECISION THAT I HAVE TO BE CONVINCED THAT THE DECISION THAT WE MAKE IS BASED ON FACTUAL INFORMATION, SO THAT WHATEVER DIRECTION WE TAKE, I CAN SAY THIS IS WHY I VOTED FOR IT. THIS MAKES SENSE. AND ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT, I WOULD FEEL THAT I'M ABDICATING MY RESPONSIBILITY AS TO THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR ME AND FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY. ANYONE ELSE? DISCUSSION, MR. HOLT? OKAY, THIS IS DEFINITELY A TOUGH DECISION. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, HEAR FEEDBACK. I HAVE EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS WITH THE PINNACLE LOCATION, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE SHARED THAT. IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE TOP OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE GROWTH AND GROWTH CITY, THAT WE CAN HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND FIND RECREATION. WE CAN HAVE A YMCA, WE CAN HAVE A COMMUNITY RECREATION CENTER, AND WE COULD ALSO HAVE BROOK PARK. SO I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT OURSELVES. AND I APPRECIATE PARKS AND RECS FOR COMING OUT AND PRESENTING TONIGHT'S TONIGHT. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE YMCA FOR TAKING THE TIME TO PREPARE PRESENTATION. I KNOW IT WAS SHORT TURNAROUND, BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. THIS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT ABOUT LOCATION. THIS IS SIMPLY ABOUT GETTING MORE INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR AS MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YOU. WE ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK TO THE MOTION, WHICH IS. MOVING FORWARD WITH A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED MODEL WITH NO THIRD PARTY FOR OPERATIONS. AND THAT DOESN'T AS A POINT OF CLARITY, THAT STATEMENT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE TABLE A HEALTH CARE ENTITY COMING INTO LEASE OR WANTING TO BRING THAT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS FOR OPERATION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S WHAT I'M CLARIFYING. YOU'RE FOR ANY KIND OF OPERATIONAL OKAY, PARTNERSHIP, COLLABORATION. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? ARE WE READY FOR A VOTE? SO A YES IS CITY ONLY YES COLLABORATIONS? YES. I WOULD SAY WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITY WITH NO THIRD PARTY OPERATIONS OF THAT FACILITY. AND A NO VOTE MEANS THAT WE CAN GET A NO VOTE MEANS THAT YOU'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT MODEL OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WE MAY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MODEL. MR. AFTERWARD, YEAH, WE MIGHT END UP THERE ANYWAY. THAT'S THAT'S THE POINT. YEAH, THAT'S A THAT'S FOR LATER. ARE WE READY? ARE WE READY FOR THE QUESTION? ARE WE READY TO CALL THE VOTE? SO YES. IS THE IF WE VOTE YES, THE Y IS OUT. NO MORE DISCUSSION. CORRECT FOR THIS FOR THIS. WHY WOULD THE Y WOULD BE OUT FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE MOTION. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE MOTION. WHAT IS THE. I THINK I THOUGHT THAT THAT'S ANOTHER POINT. THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE MOTION. IT'S THE INTENT.

MISS ANDERSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR MOTION? IT'S WHAT YOU SAID, AND THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE MOTION. IT'S WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO RESTATE IT? YOU WROTE IT DOWN. SO YOU. SO I'M GOING TO CALL THE VOTE. WELL, DO WE NEED STEVEN TO CLEAR UP THE LANGUAGE SO THAT IT IS CLEAR THAT THAT'S. I TAKES THE Y OUT. I HOW DO WE PASS IT SO IT TAKES THE Y OUT. THEY HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY NAME THEM. YEAH, I THINK YOU DO. I MEAN, IF THAT IS YOUR INTENT AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO VOTE ON BY NOT INCLUDING THIS, WE'RE CREATING ANOTHER PILE OF MUD THAT YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT. SO IF THE INTENT IS TO NOT WORK WITH THE Y FURTHER OR GO DOWN THE ROAD OF GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE Y, FRANKLY,

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THERE YOU GO. THREE WEEKS. THREE WEEKS IS GOING TO KILL, KILL, KILL EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO. ALL RIGHT. I CALL THE QUESTION. LET'S ADD I WOULD ADD AMENDMENT TO ADD THE Y TO AMEND YOUR MOTION IN ANY WAY. DID I DID I GET IT PROPER. GOT IT PROPER.

OKAY. DID YOU WANT TO AMEND IT IN ANY WAY? I WANT TO CONTINUE TO DRIVE FORWARD THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. ON BEHALF OF THE PARK BOARD, WE HAVE TO ADD THE Y. IF THIS IS ABOUT THE Y, YOU SHOULD SAY, AND NOT WORK WITH THE Y. I THINK IT'S ALSO I MEAN, I HAD PUT IT OUT THERE ABOUT OTHER THIRD PARTIES IF WE REALLY WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT, LET'S LOOK AT LIFETIME FITNESS.

SO I'M TAKING THAT OFF THE TABLE TOO WITH THIS MOTION. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DIRECTLY NAME JUST BECAUSE ONE ENTITY CAME FORWARD SO FAR. I THINK, AGAIN, IT'S DRIVING THIS LARGE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TOWARDS A CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED, NOBODY ELSE COMING IN TO OPERATE THE POOL OR OPERATE THE SPIN MACHINES OR OPERATE A YOGA CLASS. IT IS CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED ON A STANDALONE SITE. OKAY, I'M CALLING THE VOTE. A YES VOTE WOULD AFFIRM THE MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED MODEL WITH NO THIRD THIRD PARTY OPERATORS. NO, THAT'S A YES. YES VOTE WOULD WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD WITH A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED MODEL WITH NO THIRD PARTY OPERATORS. YES, A NO VOTE WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED MODEL WITH NO THIRD PARTY OPERATORS. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. CONFUSED. SORRY, A YES VOTE IS THE YMCA OR NO YMCA? THE YES VOTE IS NO THIRD PARTY OPERATORS AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE INFORMATION. IN TERMS OF A COMPARISON. YES. THERE'S NO MORE INFO. THAT'S IT. OKAY. ARE WE READY? MR. OMAR? NO. ANDERSON. YES. NO. MARY. NO. HOLT. YES. STURM. NO. BURROUGHS.

NO. OKAY. SO. EXCUSE ME. SO IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COMES BACK TO US IN THREE WEEKS WITH A SIDE COMPARISON. SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WITH COSTS AND EVERYTHING, WITH COST ANALYSIS, WITH A Y. THAT'S MY MOTION. AND THEY HAVE THREE WEEKS TO DO IT. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. WITH A COST ANALYSIS FOR WHAT THE COST ANALYSIS SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF WHAT COLLABORATIONS WOULD WHAT COLLABORATIONS WOULD WOULD BE, AND ALSO WHY THERE'S SUCH A DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE AND THEIR NUMBERS, KIND OF INFORMATION. WELL, LET ME GET A SECOND FIRST. OKAY.

DID GET A SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. SECOND, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR MOTION FOR ME SO I MAKE SURE I HAVE IT CLEAR, MAKE A MOTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COME BACK TO US IN THREE WEEKS WITH A STUDY BY PIZZUTI THAT OUTLINES THE THE COST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE YMCA AND AND WHAT THE CITY'S PROJECTIONS ARE, AS WELL AS LOOK AT COLLABORATIVE PROGRAMS AND PRICING. SECOND. OKAY, THERE'S A SECOND WAS A SECOND EARLIER WITH MR. STURM, TOO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE RECORDING. SO CONVERSATION ON THAT, A POINT OF CLARITY. I JUST REALLY WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE MEAN BY COLLABORATION.

BECAUSE I'M HEARING COLLABORATION, I'M SEEING WHAT THE Y PUT IN THEIR MODEL ONE, MODEL TWO, MODEL THREE, AND I'M HEARING THAT THE Y WOULD JUST LEASE SPACE. THAT'S CORRECT.

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JESUS. CAN WE POINTS AS WELL WHERE MAYBE THERE'S PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE UTILIZED AND THINGS LIKE THAT WAS SILVERSNEAKERS OTHER PROGRAMS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. I'M JUST ASKING THEM TO COME BACK IN THREE WEEKS WITH SOME WITH SOME SOLUTIONS.

THEY GOT ONE CHANCE TO COME BACK. SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, DIFFERENT OPTIONS FROM MY POINT OF INFORMATION, MOODY NOLAN KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY BUILT MANY OF THESE FACILITY BE VERY EASY TO GET THAT PARTICULAR BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE COSTS ARE BY ITEM. OKAY, SO THAT THAT WOULD SHORTCUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE, I WOULD SAY PROS CONSULTING AS WELL. AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. WE GOT A MOTION TO DO THIS. WE CAN'T DICTATE TO THE ADMINISTRATION WHO THEY CHOOSE. SO OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND COULD CALL FOR A VOTE. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY BARRY AND A SECOND BY MR. STURM. I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO AMEND IT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I DO. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GOES ON THE END. I'D LIKE THE LIKE THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR OF COUNCIL TO REVIEW THE REQUEST FROM PEZZUTI. THERE WAS ANOTHER REQUEST FROM. OH, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I'LL SECOND THAT. YOU'RE GOING TO MEET WITH ZUHDI AND TELL HIM TO GO FIGURE OUT THESE NUMBERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY TELL THEM TO GO FIGURE OUT IS NOT A LEADING QUESTION. I'LL SECOND THAT AMENDMENT. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IS NOT HOW OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT WORKS. NO, I MEAN, HONESTLY, NO, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AND THAT'S A REQUEST. YEAH. IT IS. IT'S NOT A REQUEST. WE'RE NOT MANDATING THIS WHOLE MOTION IS A REQUEST. WE'RE NOT PUTTING THIS INTO A THIS IS A NOT A THIS IS A THIS IS A WISH COMING OUT OF THIS WORK SESSION. SO WE'VE GOT A I'LL SECOND THAT OR MISSING. SO WE CALL FOR A VOTE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO THE. SO NOW WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT. CORRECT. BUT I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION BECAUSE THERE. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF WHO HAD TO DO THE SURVEY, JUST THE ADMINISTRATION, THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD COME BACK IN THREE WEEKS WITH AN OUTLINE OF THE COST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE WHY, AND SHARE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON ON A COLLABORATION WITH THE WHY OR NOT, OR A STANDALONE NO. THIS IS GOING TO BE STANDALONE AND CITY OPERATED. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE DIFFERENCES IN THE COSTS BETWEEN WHAT THE WHY PRESENTED AND WHAT THE CITY HAS PRESENTED. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR COLLABORATION, POTENTIAL COLLABORATIONS, AND WHAT THE Y WOULD OFFER TO US. PRESIDENT BARRY, IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MODEL WOULD EVEN LOOK LIKE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT MODELS. WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THEM THEY'VE GOT THREE WEEKS TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME TO, TO, TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSION. SOME MODEL? YES, SOME MODEL. YOU GOT ONE CHANCE, YOU GOT THREE WEEKS. SO THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION WOULD BE THAT THE COUNCIL ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR. WILL BE PART OF THE WILL BE PART OF THAT WORK. YES. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT YOU WANT? YES. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. WHERE DO WE VOTE ON NOW? AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT ONLY. SO. MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS WHETHER TO AMEND THE MAIN MOTION TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE THAT THE THAT COUNCIL'S ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR SHALL BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION, PART OF THE WORK.

TO BRING THE COLLABORATION BACK TO COUNCIL. RIGHT. YOU TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE WANTING TO REVIEW WHAT THE I WANT TO I WANT TO SEE THE WRITTEN REQUEST AND THEN THE PRODUCT AND ALL THAT.

YEAH. THAT'S FINE. THE WAY WE HAVE IT WORDED, HE'LL BE INVOLVED THAT WAY. YEAH. I MEAN, THE PROBLEM IS, AS I INDICATED, WHEN YOU USE THE WORD SHALL, THAT'S NOT A REQUEST. MAY ORDER MAY, MAY SHOULD WE ENCOURAGE. OKAY, WE ENCOURAGE THE CHAIR OF THE ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE

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YES. SO FOR THE AMENDED LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE COUNCIL'S CHAIR OF ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATION. YES. LET'S VOTE. ANDERSON. YES. YES. YES. YES. STURM. YES. BURROUGHS. YES.

OMAR. YES. OKAY. THE MAIN MOTION IS THE ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN THREE WEEKS WITH AN OUTLINE OF THE COST DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE CITY'S PLAN AND THE YMCA PLAN FROM THIS EVENING. AND PROVIDE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON ON COLLABORATIONS WITH WHAT THE Y COULD OFFER WITH THE COUNCIL'S ADMINISTRATIVE CHAIR BEING A PART OF THAT WORK. CAN I ASK ONE CLARIFICATION? THREE WEEKS PUTS US KIND OF IN NO MAN'S LAND BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK THIS MONTH BECAUSE NEXT WEEK. SO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE EITHER TWO WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A SPECIAL COUNCIL ON THE WEEK OFF, IT WOULD BE THREE WEEKS. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY BYE. DO YOU WANT TO SAY BY APRIL 20TH? YEAH, LET'S JUST SAY BY APRIL 20TH. THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND COUNCIL MEETING IN APRIL. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. APRIL 20TH AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE IT DONE BEFORE THEN THAT THEY CAN SHARE IT WITH US. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE AFTERWARDS. WANT TO GET THAT. SO IS THAT YOUR. YES. MAIN MOTION MR. STURM IS THAT A SECOND TO THE MAIN MOTION? YES.

WE WE HAVE CLARIFIED THE THE WORDS. ADMINISTRATION WILL COME BACK. ON. FOR 20 WITH THIS OUTLINE AND WITH THIS COLLABORATION WITH THE Y, IF ANY. OKAY. MR. BARRY. YES. HOLT.

YES. STURM. YES. BURROUGHS. YES. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. NO. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE. I'LL PASS IT BACK TO THE PRESIDENT.

ALL RIGHT. WE ARE OUR NEXT MEETING, TAMMY, IS WHEN? APRIL 6TH,

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