Jun 29, 2026 Special City Council

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GROVE CITY COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING.

[Call to Order]

AND AS AS OTHER MEMBERS COME IN, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE NOTED IN THE MINUTES.

SO TAMMY, IF YOU TAKE THE ROLL FOR US. OMAR. PRESIDENT.

ANDERSON. KALINGA. BERRY HERE. HOLT HERE. STURM HERE.

BURROWS. OKAY. I WILL MOVE TO. EXCUSE ME, MISS ANDERSON AND MISS BURROWS UNTIL THEY GET HERE.

SECOND. OMAR. YES. BERRY. YES. HOLT. YES.

STURM. YES. OKAY, WE HAVE A QUORUM. SO THE FIRST ON OUR AGENDA IS ACTUALLY THE REPORT.

[Proposed Community Center]

ISN'T HE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO LIMIT THE DAMAGE? WELL, WE CAN. I WANTED TO START WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS.

WHEN I INTRODUCE THE FOLKS WHO WILL. ALL RIGHT.

ALWAYS GOOD TO HIT THE GREEN BUTTON. GOOD EVENING.

I'M JIM RUSSELL, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANIES, AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT. I WANT TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE SOME OF THE TEAM MEMBERS THAT YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM TODAY FROM OUR OFFICE.

DON WHEAT, WHO IS A SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH US.

ASHLEY SENN, WHO IS A SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER WITH US.

AND LAUREN BROCKWAY, WHO IS FROM OH, SPORTS. PART OF OUR, OUR WORK WAS ANALYZING SPACES AND HOW THINGS COULD FIT.

AND SO WE HAD TWO, TWO, TWO OTHER TEAM MEMBERS THAT PARTICIPATED.

OH, SPORTS IS ONE. I'LL KIND OF SLOWLY MOVE THIS UP.

AND AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT COMPLETED A PHYSICAL ASSESSMENT OF THE BUILDING.

AND SO THAT WAS COLLECTIVELY, COLLECTIVELY PART OF THE DATA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT TO HELP YOU AT LEAST INFORM YOU ON MAKING A DECISION AND MOVING FORWARD.

I ALSO APOLOGIZE FOR THE TARDINESS OF GETTING THE REPORT TO YOU.

THERE WAS SOME CHALLENGES TRYING TO PULL ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FROM MULTIPLE PARTIES, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPDATE, AND ACTUALLY, WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPDATE SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION NUMBERS AS LATE AS SATURDAY, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GIVING YOU THE BEST INFORMATION WE COULD.

THAT'S ALSO CONSERVATIVE IN A LOT OF THE UNKNOWNS THAT WE HAVE TO DATE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO START WITH REALLY, IS TO UNDERSTANDING OUR ROLE IN THE ASSIGNMENT IS REALLY TO GIVE YOU AND PROVIDE YOU A NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY REVIEW OF ALL THE INFORMATION.

TRY TO PRESENT IT IN A WAY THAT GIVES YOU SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION TO RELY ON.

ANSWER AS MANY QUESTIONS AS WE CAN AND KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR YOU.

WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PARTIES. IT'S A MATTER OF DOING THE RIGHT THING AND GETTING AS MUCH OF THE INFORMATION TOGETHER AS WE CAN.

JIM, IS IT EASIER IF I ADVANCE THESE FOR YOU? APPARENTLY. TRY THIS ONE MORE. OKAY. YOU CAN JUST SAY NEXT WHEN YOU'RE READY.

OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. WELL, LET'S GO BACK ONE. A COUPLE OF THE THE ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE HOW WE'VE INCORPORATED THIS REVIEW IS THAT BOTH OPTIONS THAT WE LOOK AT HAS TO MEET YOUR PROGRAM.

SO WE HAVE THE PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS PUT TOGETHER.

AND SO IN BOTH INSTANCES PART OF IT IS TAKING THAT PROGRAM.

AND HOW DO YOU INTEGRATE THAT INTO AN EXISTING BUILDING ON AN EXISTING SITE? AND THE OTHER IS TO LOOK AT ONE OF YOUR OPTIONAL SITES AND HOW THAT SAME PROGRAM WOULD FIT.

SO THAT WAS IMPERATIVE THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO MODIFY ANY OF THE PROGRAMS TO MAKE THEM WORK.

IT WAS, THIS IS YOUR PROGRAM. HERE'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE FOCUSING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS, THE FUNCTIONALITY AND THE OPERATIONAL PIECE AS WELL.

SO BUILDING IS ONE THING, BUT MAKING SURE HOW IT'S GOING TO OPERATE.

YOU KNOW, HOW EFFICIENTLY IT CAN OPERATE ARE GOING TO BE KEY FACTORS OVER THE LONG TERM FOR YOU.

AND THE OTHER IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MINDFUL OF PUBLIC DOLLARS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, NOT LOOKING AT THINGS THAT ARE WAY OUT OF LINE FOR WHAT YOU WANT.

BEING MINDFUL OF THE TRANSPARENCY OF PUBLIC DOLLARS GOING INTO A PROJECT.

SO THOSE KIND OF LIKE OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF HOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE STUDY.

NEXT SLIDE. SO I WANT TO START JUST BY GIVING YOU A YOUR PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS THE SPACES APPROXIMATELY 125,000FT² BROKEN DOWN INTO EACH OF THE AREAS THAT WERE PART OF THE PRELIMINARY WORK THAT WAS DONE WITH A COUPLE CONSULTANTS. SO WHAT THAT REALLY SHOWED IS THAT DEALING WITH A GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ABOUT 125,488FT² TO MEET THIS GENERAL PROGRAM AND SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR YOU. NEXT SLIDE.

AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING YMCA SPACE.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 52,000 GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE, ABOUT 43,000.

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SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, WE'LL SAY, LAYING OUT THE THE QUESTION OF THE TWO SPACES, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TAKE YOUR PROGRAM AND FIT IT INTO THIS BUILDING? NEXT SLIDE. AS PART OF THAT, WE HAD THE ASSESSMENT DONE FROM AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT.

THEY TOURED THE BUILDING, FOLKS ON OUR STAFF, TOURED THE BUILDING, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FUNCTIONAL SPACES, ALL OF THE AREAS, EQUIPMENT, AS MANY THINGS THAT THEY COULD HAVE GOING THROUGH.

WE DID GET A FULL REPORT BACK FROM THEM. THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS THAT THEY FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO NOW TO NEXT YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO UPGRADE JUST TO MAKE IT A, WE'LL SAY, A STARTING POINT FOR YOU. SO THERE ARE SOME SYSTEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED.

DON, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRICE POINT OF WHERE THOSE CAME IN, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY AT A SIMPLE LEVEL, NOT ADDING ANYTHING, NOT CHANGING ANYTHING, JUST GETTING IT TO A FUNCTIONAL LEVEL.

SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE CATEGORIES JUST LOOKING.

SOME ARE AS SIMPLE AS SOME OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY AND SOME ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS, BUT A LOT OF IT IS FOCUSED ON STRUCTURAL ROOFS AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND PLUMBING SYSTEMS. TYPICAL TO WHAT YOU WOULD SEE OF A BUILDING OF THIS AGE.

SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING WAS NOT MISMANAGED OR, YOU KNOW, ERRORS.

AND THE OPERATION IS JUST AGE OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT WAS REALLY DUE.

SO WE STARTED WITH THAT IF YOU THINK THROUGH THIS AREA.

SO WE KNOW THAT'S A PLUS COLUMN OF SOME ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD TAKE TO BRING THE LEVEL UP OF THAT BUILDING.

AND THEN THE NEW PROGRAM WOULD BE ADDED ON TO THOSE DOLLARS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO WHEN WE COMPARED TO WHAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT DOING IS ADDING SOME FACILITY UPDATES.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN THIS CHART SHOWING THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SPACE NET USABLE AND SOME OF THE CORRECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO MEET YOUR PROGRAM. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHANGES IN EACH OF THE SPACES.

SOME ARE UPDATES, SOME ARE DEMO AND REBUILD. SOME ARE SELECTIVE UPDATES TO THE FACILITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO US, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THE COMPARISON THAT YOU'RE DOING ON A ON A MODERN FACILITY THAT IS COMPARABLE TO YOUR PEER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

AND SO PART OF THIS WAS NOT JUST ABOUT HOW BIG A BAND AID CAN WE PUT ON THE BUILDING, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT MEMBERS OF THE Y WANT. IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU FIX THIS BUILDING AND MAKE IT FEEL LIKE THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING? AND SO IN THESE NUMBERS, WE LOOKED AT ITEMS, SOME EXTERIOR WRAP IMPROVEMENTS.

SO PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT MATERIAL, SOME REPLACEMENT OF OTHER NONFUNCTIONING PIECES OF THE FACILITY THAT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED. DEALING WITH SOME ORIENTATION OF THE FACILITY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WOULD WORK.

SO WHEN YOU GO INTO THE BUILDING, IT WOULD FEEL LIKE A NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO AND HAVE SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT YOU WOULD BE COMPARED TO.

SO THAT'S KIND OF SHOWING, AND DON WILL TALK THROUGH HOW THE ECONOMICS WORK, BUT THAT WAS REALLY PART OF THE CHALLENGES.

HOW DO YOU GET THAT ALL TO FIT AGAIN, TO MEET THE EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC AND OF COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION? NEXT PHASE OR SLIDE. I'M GOING TO HAVE LAUREN COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT SOME PICTURES OF WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT THEIR APPROACH WAS ON HOW TO GET ALL OF THOSE ADDITIONAL PIECES TO FIT IN A WAY THAT STILL MAKES SENSE.

AGAIN, TRYING TO KEEP IT AS EFFICIENT AS WE CAN BE FOR THE FACILITY.

SO. LAUREN. THANKS, JIM. THANKS, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE EFFORT HERE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING UP HERE ON THE SCREEN IS AN OVERLAY OF THE NEW PROGRAM APPLIED AGAINST THE EXISTING YMCA FACILITY.

JUST FOR SOME ORIENTATION PURPOSES, THE DASHED BLACK LINE IS THE EXISTING PERIMETER OF THE YMCA BUILDING, AND THE EXISTING ENTRY IS PLANNED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

IF YOU SEE WHERE WE'RE INDICATING OFFICES IN BULLPEN AREA, WHICH IS THE NEW APPLIED PROGRAM OVER TOP OF THE Y, THAT'S WHERE THE EXISTING YMCA ENTRY IS, IS LOCATED.

SO WORKING FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT ON THIS PLAN YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHLIGHT OF THE UNDERLAY OF THE FLOOR PLAN ON YOUR PRINTOUTS, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE SCREEN. BUT THE EXISTING OSU REHAB SPACE IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PLAN THERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN ENTRY. WE'VE SHOWN THAT GRAY AND WE'VE SHOWN IF THERE WAS POTENTIAL FOR EXPANSION FOR THAT IN THE RED LINE THERE, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T ENCROACH ON ANY EXISTING PARKING LOT THERE.

YOU SEE THAT STARTS TO SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT FOR WHAT IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT LOCATION.

BUT WORKING INTO THE EXISTING LINE BUILDING, WHAT WE DID WAS WE OVERLAID THE TWO POOL SQUARE FOOTAGES,

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AND JUST TO NOTE THAT THE EXISTING THE DESIRED PROGRAM FOR THAT WAS TO HAVE A 70 BY 100 FOOT, ZERO DEPTH ENTRY POOL. THAT EXISTING POOL IS ABOUT EIGHT LANES, IS ABOUT 25M IN LENGTH.

IT'S GOT SOME EXTRA SIDE AREA IN THERE, DOES NOT HAVE ZERO ENTRY.

SO THERE WOULD BE SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET THAT. WE ENVISION THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO A RAMP REMOVE THE STAIRS.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REDO SOME SLIDE TO MAKE THAT WORK, BUT THAT'S.

THAT POOL WOULD NOT MEET THE THE PROGRAMING SIZE THAT YOU HAD IN YOUR, IN YOUR APP.

SO YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOME CONCESSIONS THERE. THE OUTDOOR POOL WE'RE SHOWING ENCLOSED NOW THAT DOES MEET THE PROGRAM.

IT'S SIX LANES WIDE. AND THEN YOU WOULD GET YOUR DECK BY ENCLOSING THAT IN A NEW BUILD.

AND WE'RE SHOWING THE PARTY ROOM FOR, FOR AQUATIC PARTIES THERE, THE EXISTING LOCKER ROOM WE'RE SHOWING TO BE EXPANDED INTO A PORTION OF THE NEW BUILD, WHICH WOULD BE PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE RENOVATION TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

TO BE ABLE TO GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, NEED TO MEET THE PROGRAMMATIC SIZE.

IF YOU SCROLL UP FOR ME JUST A LITTLE BIT THE EXISTING CHILD WATCH AREAS AND COMMUNITY ROOMS, WE'RE REPURPOSING FOR COMMUNITY ROOMS IN THE NEW PROGRAM, SHOWING RESTROOMS IN THAT GRAY AREA.

THEN YOU MOVE TOWARDS WHERE THE EXISTING OFFICES IS IN THE AEROBICS AREA, AND YOU WOULD EXPAND THAT TO CREATE THE OFFICE AND BULLPEN AREA THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR YOUR NEW PROGRAM. AS YOU MOVE INTO THE BUILDING, INTO THE CENTER CORE, THERE WHERE THE EXISTING FITNESS AREA IS, WE'RE REPURPOSING THAT FOR A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY SPACES THAT WERE IN THE PROGRAM, BE IT A TEEN SPACE OR THE TEACHING KITCHEN OR SOME CONFERENCE ROOMS. THE EXISTING COURT COULD BE OF SIZE THAT YOU WOULD NEED FOR YOUR WEIGHT OR YOUR FITNESS AREA.

AND THEN WE CHANGE THE ORIENTATION TO GET A NEW MAIN ENTRY TO WHAT IS ACTUAL SOUTH FOR THE LOBBY AND THE SOFT SEATING AREA.

AND THEN THAT LEADS INTO THE CHILD WATCH AREA, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT NEAR WHERE THE MAIN ENTRY WOULD BE SENIOR CENTER SPACE IN THE INFILL PORTION THERE BETWEEN WHERE WE'RE ENCLOSING FOR THE NEW INDOOR LAP POOL, AND THEN GROUP FITNESS AND GYMNASIUM IS UP IN THE CORNER THERE.

SO ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE AS YOU START TO DO THIS, AND PER JIM'S COMMENT EARLIER, RIGHT, THE EXISTING FACILITY IS 40 ISH OF AVAILABLE 52 OF GROSS, AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ABOUT 125,000FT².

SO EXPANDING IN THAT WAY STARTS TO CREATE SOME CORRIDOR AREAS, SOME INEFFICIENCY IN CIRCULATION THROUGHOUT THE SPACE.

THAT THAT HAPPENS HERE IS KIND OF A COMPROMISE EFFECT FOR HOW YOU APPLY THIS TO THE YMCA.

AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT ONE. YEAH, SURE.

NEXT SLIDE. YES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW THE Y CURRENTLY HAS AN OUTDOOR POOL.

YES. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. SO IN THAT DIAGRAM, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK FOR ME REAL QUICK, WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING THE OUTDOOR POOL ENCLOSED AND BECOMING AN INDOOR POOL.

YOUR PROGRAM HAD TWO POOLS, AN INDOOR LAP POOL AND AN INDOOR LEISURE POOL.

AND TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT YOU ENCLOSE THE OUTDOOR POOL AND MAKE IT AN INDOOR POOL FOR LAP POOL.

JUST TO ADD ON TO THAT, WOULD THERE BE ANY EXPANSION TO THE SIZE OF THOSE POOLS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST OUTDOOR AND INDOOR? OR WAS THIS MORE OF JUST ENCLOSING THE SPACE THAT IT WAS? THE THANK YOU. THE INDOOR POOL. THE OUTDOOR POOL FUNCTIONS PER YOUR PROGRAM AS A LAP POOL.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE RIGHT LENGTH AND WIDTH. THE INDOOR POOL NEEDS SOME EXPANSION NEEDS SOME ADDITIONS.

IT WOULD HAVE TO GET A RAMP SO YOU COULD GET YOUR ZERO ENTRY. IT WOULDN'T BE A BEACH ENTRY LIKE YOU HAVE AT THE BIG SPLASH, JUST A RAMP ENTRY. AND IT'S A BIT LANDLOCKED, SO YOU WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO EXPAND IT IN A WAY TO GET TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU HAD INCLUDED IN YOUR PROGRAM. THANK YOU.

DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE? SURE. SURE I'LL COME.

COME BACK UP HERE. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING TAKING THAT SAME PROGRAM.

SO YOUR ORIGINAL PROGRAM AND LOOKING AT REALLY TWO OPTIONS AT THE PINNACLE SITE.

SO WE KNOW THERE'S A WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE.

WE DID LOOK AT A LAYOUT OF OF BOTH BECAUSE THERE'S GOOD AND BAD ON BOTH SIDES.

SO RIGHT NOW THIS IS JUST AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE WHY.

HERE'S YOUR PROGRAM AGAIN, TOTALING ABOUT 88,000FT² OF 125,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, ABOUT 88,000FT² OF YOUR USABLE SPACE.

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LAUREN COULD HAVE ANSWERED THAT. I'M SORRY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU. SO AS JIM SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A PURE ADJACENCY DIAGRAM.

AND YOU CAN GET MUCH MORE EFFICIENCY IN THE WAY THAT YOU LAY THIS OUT AND SOME MORE DESIRED LOCATIONS FOR HOW THESE PROGRAMS LAND NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

YOU KNOW, SITE A GNOSTIC FOR NOW, AS YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THIS PROGRAM, MAIN ENTRANCE IS OBVIOUSLY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.

YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN ENTRY THERE IN THE MIDDLE AND A MAIN CONNECTING CORRIDOR THAT'S DOUBLE LOADED THROUGH THE MIDDLE RUNNING LEFT AND RIGHT ON THE PLAN.

PRETTY EASY, BUT I CAN KIND OF RUN THROUGH IT FROM RIGHT TO LEFT.

IN THIS CASE, THE WEIGHT ROOM, THE GROUP FITNESS ARE GROUPED TOGETHER ON THE RIGHT SIDE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN ABOVE THAT IS THE LAP LANE POOL AND THE COMMUNITY LEISURE POOL.

YOUR LOCKER ROOMS THEN BECOME CENTER CORE SO THEY CAN SERVE THE FACILITY FOR ALL THE NEEDS.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PLUG STORAGE IN AND KIND OF SPRINKLE IT THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.

IN THIS INSTANCE, STILL THE PARTY ROOMS ADJACENT TO THE AQUATICS AREA COMMUNITY ROOMS, RECEPTION AREA, CHILD WATCH, ALL NEAR THE FRONT ENTRY WITH A TEEN SPACE TEACHING KITCHEN MORE INTO THE CENTER CORE OFFICE AREA SPRINKLED OUT IN THERE, THE EASY ENTRY AND EASY FOR OPERATIONS, AND THEN SENIOR CENTER AND GYMNASIUM OFF TO THE LEFT SIDE.

WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS PLAN? BEING SITE AGNOSTIC IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A CLEAR MAIN ENTRY.

BUT IT HAS THE ABILITY TO EXPAND IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS.

AND IT ALSO HAS THE ABILITY, IF YOU WANTED TO DO DIFFERENT STRUCTURES FOR YOUR MEMBERSHIPS THAT THEY COULD HAVE PARTIAL ENTRY TO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU SITE LOCATE IT, HOW MANY, HOW MANY LAPS ARE IN THAT POOL, HOW MANY LANES, SIX LANES. GO AHEAD. SORRY. SIX LANES. YES.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION, THE GYMNASIUM ON BOTH OF THESE PLANS, IS IT I KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TIER OF, OF COMPLEXITY. BUT I KNOW AT OSU THERE'S STACKED THREE UP.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO STACK STACK GYMNASIUM. IT IS.

THEY HAVE THEY HAVE YOU KNOW THEY HAVE GYMNASIUM ON TWO FLOORS AND THEN ON THE UPPER FLOOR.

WELL, THEY HAVE IT ON THREE FLOORS. YEAH. YEAH.

YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT STACKING. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE GOT THE CLEAR HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE FOR HOOPS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU DO THAT.

WE'VE DONE IT IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS WHERE YOU PUT LOWER HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS ON THE LOWER FLOORS OR ON THE UPPER FLOORS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO STACK THAT PROGRAM. AND WHAT'S USED MORE OFTEN IS OFTEN ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT DRIVES HOW YOU WANT TO STACK THOSE THINGS.

THIS PLAN JUST SHOWS EVERYTHING ON A SINGLE FLOOR.

JUST BECAUSE WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE INTRICACIES OF HOW YOU WANT TO STACK THINGS AND WHEN THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO DO WEIGHT ROOM GROUP FITNESS ON SECOND FLOORS, THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS YOU CAN DO TO, TO GET EFFICIENCY AND MAKE THE PLAN SMALLER.

COUNCILMAN. I'LL JUST ADD WE FINISHED UP A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE THOSE SECOND FLOOR GYMNASIUMS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO IS SOUND SEPARATION.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGHER COST TO HAVE SEPARATION DEPENDING ON WHAT'S ON THE LOWER LEVEL.

YOU KNOW, WE BALANCE PART OF THE UPPER ARLINGTON PROJECT AT OSU SPACE INCORPORATED IN AND HAD SOME OTHER OFFICES AND SENIOR AREAS.

SO YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'D BE A PREMIUM FOR SOME OF THAT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE GETTING SOME GOOD SOUND.

I MEAN, I'VE NOTICED I'VE NEVER HEARD A SOUND ISSUE AT RPAC EVER.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF BY STACKING, IF THEY DID SOME FORM OF SEPARATION OR CUSHIONING THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE. OKAY. RIGHT, RIGHT. THICKER FLOORS HELP WITH THAT A LOT.

AND INSULATION. OBVIOUSLY THE, THE BALLS BOUNCING ON THE FLOOR IS A RESONATING FACTOR.

SO I JUST WONDERED, LIKE IF WE HAD PICKLEBALL AND STUFF LIKE THAT UP ON AN UPPER FLOOR OR A LOWER FLOOR AND HAD THE GYMNASIUM AS LONG.

I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD IT, YOU CAN GO UP CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN GO OUT. SO YEAH.

PRESIDENT BARRY, I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT A TRACK WALKING TRACK? WHERE IS THAT? OH I'M SORRY. YES. IN THIS SCENARIO WE'VE GOT THE WALKING TRACK RAISED ABOVE THE GYMNASIUM AREA.

SO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THAT RUN OFF AREA AROUND THE COURTS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE COURTS ARE CENTERED IN THE SPACE AND THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE AROUND THOSE COURTS. SO THAT'S RUN OFF AREA, BUT THAT ALSO GIVES YOU SOME EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU CAN GET A TRACK ABOVE THAT AND GET GOOD TURNING.

RADIUSES. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. SO THEN THIS

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AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE SHOWING WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN AN ORIENTATION STANDPOINT.

AND, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, RIGHT, IF YOU WANT TO EXPAND THIS IN DIFFERENT WAYS BE IT FOR A PARTNER OR AT AN EXTRA GYMNASIUM OR ADD AN EXTRA POOL. YOU'VE GOT THOSE DASHED LINES SHOWN THERE.

FOR THIS SITE, IT DOES TAKE UP QUITE A BIT OF THAT ACREAGE, THAT FOOTPRINT.

WHICH LEAVES US A LITTLE BIT LIMITED FOR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT COULD BE SERVED FOR THAT SPACE.

AND THEN THIS IS APPLYING IT TO THE SITE THAT IS JUST WEST OF PINNACLE PARK DRIVE.

WE'RE SHOWING IT IN THE NORTHERN CORNER OF THAT YELLOW BOX THERE.

WHERE MORE OF THE NEWER GROWTH TREES ARE. THIS SITE IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S GOT REALLY GOOD VISIBILITY TO 71.

WE'RE SHOWING IT ORIENTED TO THAT WAY FOR VISIBILITY TO THE HIGHWAY.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A BIT MORE ACREAGE THERE.

BUT AGAIN, THE SAME DASHED LINES FOR HOW YOU MIGHT EXPAND THAT BUILDING IF YOU WERE TO PLACE IT ON THAT SITE.

AND, AND WE'RE NOT QUITE SHOWING PARKING AND ACCESS THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE TO THE EAST OF WHERE WE'RE LOCATING THAT.

DID I GET EVERYTHING THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THAT AGAIN, IS WE TRIED TO STAY CLEAR, SO TRY TO PUSH THAT AS FAR NORTH AS WE COULD, WHERE YOU HAVE MORE OF THE INVASIVE TREES COMING IN IN THE NEW GROWTH, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE IT WOULD FIT ON THE CLEAR SIDE.

SO YOU HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES. I WOULD SAY AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WESTERN SIDE, IT IS PROBABLY MORE AVAILABLE FOR A PARTNER SPACE WHERE THEY WOULD WANT SOME VISIBILITY.

SO YOU MAY HAVE SOME OTHER REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

THEY MAY STILL WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT FACILITY. IF YOU WOULD BUILD IT THERE, MUCH LIKE AT THE Y WITH SHOWING THAT EXPANSION, BECAUSE WE KNOW, I THINK BASED ON YOUR LOCAL MARKET, THAT THERE'LL BE INTEREST FROM A LOT OF THE HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS IN THE AREA TO LOOK AT PARTNERSHIPS AT EITHER LOCATION. SO I TRIED TO BE MINDFUL TO GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS TO CONSIDER.

I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, SIR. ON THE, LAYOUT HERE FOR THE EAST SIDE.

JUST THE INITIAL THING THAT HITS ME IS THE LIMITED PARKING.

IS DO YOU FEEL THAT IT'S SUFFICIENT TO HOLD THE NECESSARY PARKING DURING PEAK TIMES, OR WOULD WE HAVE TO PUT A LOT ACROSS THE WAY? OR SO I THINK WHAT'S SHOWN WITHOUT THE EXPANSION, YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE YOUR PARKING FOR THE FACILITY.

I THINK THAT IS PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF LOOKING AT EXPANSION, BOTH FOR EXPANSION AND FOR A PARTNER THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU'LL, YOU'LL RUN INTO SOME ISSUES. YEAH, WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CLEARING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE PARKING.

YOU WILL HAVE THE ABILITY THERE. IT MAY REQUIRE TO DO A DECK, YOU KNOW, FOR AS PART OF YOUR FUTURE EXPANSION, WHICH WOULD BE A HIGHER COST IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND ON THAT SITE.

OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. I'LL HAVE ASHLEY COME UP AND SHE'S GOING TO RUN THROUGH OPERATIONALLY WHAT WE, HOW WE APPROACHED IT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ON HOW THE FACILITIES COULD RUN.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M ASHLEY SENN, DIRECTOR OF SOLUTIONS.

AND I'M HERE TO RUN THROUGH JUST A COUPLE OF OPERATIONAL THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO CALL OUT.

SO WE'VE GOT A COMPARISON HERE BETWEEN THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE INTEGRATION WITH THE YMCA, AND THEN THE NEW BUILD FACILITY, WHICH WOULD BE OPERATED SOLELY BY THE CITY OF GROVE CITY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT OPERATIONALLY, YOU DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASED COST IN THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM.

WE BAKED IN APPROXIMATELY 2% BECAUSE OF THE INHERENT INEFFICIENCIES OF ADDING ON TO THE EXISTING SPACE.

I THINK THAT YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL JUST BY LOOKING AT THE TWO LAYOUTS THAT THE EXPANSION WOULDN'T OPERATE AS EFFICIENTLY AS A PURPOSE. NEW BUILD. MOSTLY WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR HVAC HEATING AND COOLING INEFFICIENCIES.

SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE NEW FACILITY.

FOR THE YMCA STAFFING, WE LOOKED PRIMARILY AT AQUATICS, CHILD WATCH AND FITNESS STAFFING.

SO THAT'S THAT 961,000. AND THEN THE YMCA OVERHEAD IS APPROXIMATELY 15% OF THEIR STAFFING CHARGE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE WITH THE NEW FACILITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE GROVE CITY STAFFING IS ALSO REDUCED IN THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU WOULD BE TAKING ON YOU WOULD NOT BE TAKING ON ALL OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY IF YOU WERE CONTRACTING WITH THE Y.

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AND THE ESTIMATED REVENUE IN BOTH SCENARIOS IS THE SAME.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO THESE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT HARD TO COMPARE JUST WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS ON THE TABLE.

SO I WANTED TO CALL OUT A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL THINGS JUST FOR THOUGHT.

THE STAFFING PLANS FOR BOTH ARE VERY SIMILAR.

I THINK THAT THE INTEGRATED MODEL HAS APPROXIMATELY 11 FTES AND GROVE CITY'S MODEL HAS ABOUT 12.

SO THOSE ARE FULL TIME POSITIONS. BOTH BOTH SCENARIOS WOULD INCLUDE A LOT OF PART TIME EMPLOYEES AS WELL.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT GROVE CITY WOULD ANTICIPATING UTILIZING SIX EXISTING POSITIONS TO STAFF THE NEW FACILITY.

SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE A NET ADD OF SIX NEW FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THANK YOU. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DISTINCTIONS THAT I WANT TO OFFER AS WELL.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE ASSUMED HOURLY STAFF RATES BETWEEN THE Y AND GROVE CITY.

WE USE THE NUMBERS FROM BOTH SOURCES. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE TABLE ON PAGE ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE.

GROVE CITY STAFFING COSTS ARE CONSERVATIVELY MODELED.

THESE ARE BASED ON A MAXIMUM BUDGETARY NEED NOT NECESSARILY A FULL OPERATIONAL MODEL.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY WOULD BE IN ACTUALITY.

AS I CALLED OUT, THE Y DOES INCLUDE A 15% OVERHEAD FEE ON THEIR STAFFING.

AND I ALSO CALLED OUT THAT THE INTEGRATED PLAN INCLUDES HERE 2% OF HIGHER BUILDING OPERATIONS FOR THE INEFFICIENCIES.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, I, I SAID THERE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR.

WE DON'T THINK THAT THE APPROXIMATELY $80,000 A YEAR THAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW IN OUR ESTIMATES SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO SWAY COUNCIL ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WE ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, SO YOU WOULD NEED TO UNDERGO PROGRAM REFINEMENT AS WELL AS NEGOTIATING YOUR OPERATING AGREEMENT WITH THE Y. THESE ARE JUST ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON THE RAW DATA THAT WE RECEIVED.

AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE ANY THIRD PARTY SPONSORSHIPS OR PARTNERSHIPS OR NAMING RIGHTS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN THE REVENUE STREAM.

SO THESE ARE THESE ARE RAW STAFFING NUMBERS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE FLESHED OUT AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES.

THANKS. A COUPLE THINGS TO POINT OUT FROM THE OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.

WE TOUCHED ON THEM. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOU'RE APPROACHING THIS DIFFERENTLY.

THE WHY HAS THEIR MISSION THAT'S IMPORTANT HOW THEY STAFF AND ORGANIZE THEIR PROGRAMS, THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND HAS INHERENTLY OTHER COSTS, YOUR PUBLIC RETIREMENT AND OTHERS THAT ARE BUILT IN.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME NATURAL DIFFERENCES AND SOME OF THOSE RATES AND SOME OF THERE'S GOING TO BE POLICY DECISIONS ON STAFFING, AVAILABILITY, HOW YOU WANT TO STAFF IT. PART OF WHAT WE FELT THAT IT'S THOSE ARE TO BE NEGOTIATED.

WHAT WE ASK THE WHY TO DO. SO IT'S NOT TO PRESENT A FINAL STAFFING PLAN.

IT WAS TO ASSUME THE AREAS OF WHICH THAT THEY FELT THEY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING AND WHAT THE STAFFING MODELS WOULD BE AND THE COST OF THOSE.

SO WE REALLY JUST LOADED THOSE IN AND THEN REPLACED A COUPLE THAT WERE IN THEIR ORIGINAL NUMBERS, WHICH WERE FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND FACILITIES DIRECTOR, BECAUSE WE KNEW INHERENTLY THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT WOULD MOVE TO THE GROVE CITY SIDE.

SO THAT'S JUST WHERE WE'VE MOVED THEM AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

BUT TO ASHLEY'S POINT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'RE GOING TO OPERATE THE FACILITY, WHETHER IT BE IN PARTNERSHIP OR UNDER YOUR OWN GUIDANCE, TO MEET YOUR REQUEST AND WHAT YOU FEEL ARE THE APPROPRIATE RATES AND STAFFING LEVELS.

THAT'S JUST A NEGOTIATED POSITION. SO WE DON'T WANT TO SPEAK.

THIS IS THE ONLY DEAL THAT THE Y WOULD DO, NOR IS IT THE ONLY DEAL THE CITY WOULD DO.

BUT THOSE ARE REALLY THE DIFFERENCES AND NOT ENOUGH REALLY TO SHOULD BE NOT ENOUGH TO INFLUENCE YOU ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IN THE CAPITAL COST COMPARISON, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND WE WANTED TO POINT OUT AS PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TO REMEMBER YOU DO NOT HAVE A DESIGN.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A REAL CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON, BOTH WITH SOME PUBLIC INPUT AND SOME A LOT OF COMMITTEE WORK AND EFFORT FROM YOUR TEAM.

AND WE HAVE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN. IT'S A TEST FIT ON HOW THINGS COULD WORK.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE THE INITIAL REVIEW THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THOSE SPORTS, IT WASN'T JUST TRYING TO PLACE A PROGRAM AND MAKE IT NOT FIT.

SO THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE.

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DON'T BE SHOCKED BY THE BUDGET NUMBERS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW THINGS GOING ON.

THERE'S KIND OF, WE'LL SAY, HYPERACTIVE INFLATION GOING ON NOW FOR A LOT OF THE CONFLICTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF FOLKS PRICING THEIR NERVES IN WHAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT.

THERE'S ALSO A RANGE, A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES THAT WE BUILT IN TO GIVE YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY.

AND REMEMBER, THERE'S NO BEEN NO PROGRAM REFINEMENT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT NUMBERS, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE BELIEVE YOU WANT TO BE SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE IN YOUR PROGRAM.

BUT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN WHATEVER SCENARIO, THERE'S REALLY WORK THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE ON PROGRAM REFINEMENT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN AFFORD EXACTLY WHAT YOUR BUDGET WILL ALLOW YOU, WHETHER IT BE AN INTEGRATED PROGRAM OR A NEW BUILD.

SO THIS IS JUST A FIRST PASS SAYING IF YOU BUILD YOUR PROGRAM IN TWO SCENARIOS, HERE'S WHAT WE EXPECT IT TO COST, WITH ENOUGH CUSHION TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT YOU IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE OUT OF WHACK.

MY, MY BIG WHAT IF BECAUSE THERE ARE BIG NUMBERS, WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND DON WILL COME UP AND TALK THROUGH WHAT THESE LITTLE EYE CHART NUMBERS MEAN TO YOU. THANK YOU JIM. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS DON WHEAT, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT WITH SOLUTIONS.

I WANT TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE WAY WE BROKE BROKE DOWN THE COST INFORMATION.

SO A FEW THINGS TO LOOK AT AS WE LOOK IN THIS SCENARIO WITH THE INTEGRATED PLAN WHERE WE'RE REUSING EXISTING SPACE, IN SOME CASES WE HAVE TO MOVE FUNCTIONS OUT OF THEIR CURRENT LOCATION AND THEN REUSE THAT SPACE THAT'S BEEN FREED UP.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE GYMNASIUM. EXCUSE ME. THE GYMNASIUM IS TOO SMALL TO MEET YOUR PROGRAM.

AND SO IN WORKING WITH THOSE SPORTS, WE DETERMINED THAT THE BEST OPTION THERE WOULD BE TO MOVE PROGRAMS LIKE FITNESS INTO THAT SPACE AND THEN BUILD THE NEW GYMNASIUMS, BECAUSE YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN TWO TIMES AS LARGE AS YOUR CURRENT GYM.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THERE IS, IN SOME CASES, THERE ARE SOME SPACES THAT WE CAN'T EFFICIENTLY REUSE BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SMALL MECHANICAL ROOMS RIGHT IN THE CORE OF THE BUILDING THAT PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE EXPANDED JUST DUE TO HOW MUCH WE'RE ADDING ON TO THE BUILDING.

BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S NOT EASY TO DO THAT.

SO WE END UP WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INEFFICIENCY IN THE PROCESS OF REPURPOSING THOSE SPACES TO ALLOW THE NEW ADDITION TO BE COMPLETED. A FEW OTHER THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT. WE'VE TRIED TO LOOK VERY HOLISTICALLY.

THERE ARE TYPICALLY WHEN WE EXPAND A FACILITY DRAMATICALLY WE MAY BE LOOKING AT UPGRADES TO THE UTILITY SERVICES TO THE BUILDING. WE MAY BE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FIBER INTO THE BUILDING.

THERE MAY ALSO BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED AT THE ROADWAY DECELERATION LANES, FOR EXAMPLE OTHER TYPES OF FEATURES THAT ARE SAFETY ORIENTED. AND SO AS WE DEVELOP THE, THE COST BREAKDOWN, WE TRIED TO KEEP ALL THOSE THINGS IN MIND.

JIM TOUCHED ON EARLIER, SOME OF THE, THE, THE, THE LOOK THAT WE DID AT THE EXTERIOR OF THE EXISTING GYM AND WHERE THAT MIGHT BE REPOSITIONED IN A NEW FACILITY. IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO RECLAD THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE CONTEMPORARY AND APPROPRIATE IN SCALE WITH WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO ADD. YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO BREAK IT DOWN BY THE PROJECT COMPONENTS.

WE'VE INCLUDED SITE TO SITE REDEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE FOR A PORTION OF THAT 6.6 ACRES, KNOWING THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DROP PEOPLE OFF AND PICK PEOPLE UP AT THE BUILDING.

THE NEW, THE NEW ENTRANCE PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION FROM THE EXISTING ENTRANCE.

AND SO WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND PUTTING THIS COST INFORMATION TOGETHER IN ROUGH TERMS. IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 86,500FT² OF NEW SPACE THAT WE'RE ADDING.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT A SMALLER AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WE'RE EITHER FULLY RENOVATING OR DOING A LIGHT TOUCH RENOVATION IN THE EXISTING SPACE IN ORDER TO REPURPOSE IT FOR SOME OF THE NEW THE NEW FUNCTIONS.

JIM MENTIONED THE MARKET CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW.

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AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO BE CONSERVATIVE. WE FEEL THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH A DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REFINE THESE AND GET, GET THESE COSTS DOWN.

BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW AND BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROGRAM.

A COUPLE OF THINGS WE HAVE INCLUDED WE ARE ESCALATING THE COST TO THE MIDPOINT OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT 26 TO 30 MONTHS, JUST DEPENDING ON THE OPTION.

THE NEW BUILD WILL GO A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THE RENOVATION.

PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE RENOVATION IS OCCURRING IN AN OCCUPIED BUILDING.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL TIME REQUIRED AND SOME COST INEFFICIENCY RELATED TO THAT.

WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED, SO YOU CAN SEE A LINE ITEM THAT WE'VE INCLUDED FOR THE OCCUPIED PHASED CONSTRUCTION FACTOR THAT'S REALLY RELATED TO THAT OCCUPIED RENOVATION, WHERE WE'VE GOT TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY SO THAT EVERYBODY STAYS SAFE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

BUT AS WE MOVE AROUND, WE MAY HAVE TO DO 1 OR 2 INTERNAL MOVES DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION TO GET ALL THE WORK COMPLETED.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE KIND OF THE OVERVIEW FOR THE, THE, THE RENOVATION, THE INTEGRATED APPROACH.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT COST BETWEEN 75 AND 92.7 MILLION IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? ONE THING I'LL ADD IF YOU'LL SEE HERE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE RESULTS OF THE ASSESSMENT.

THAT'S THAT LINE ITEM OF A RANGE BETWEEN A LITTLE OVER 3 MILLION TO 5 MILLION ON DOING THE UPGRADES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN, IN THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT. SO THAT'S THAT LINE ITEM FOR THAT.

I HAD A QUICK QUESTION, DID ANYTHING HERE AND MAYBE THIS WAS PART OF THE SITE REDEVELOPMENT, BUT ANYTHING FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IF THIS BUILDING IS BEING EXPANDED VERSUS THE CURRENT PARKING.

YES. SO WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING IN THE, IF YOU RECALL THE EXPANSION DIAGRAM THAT WE SHOWED, THERE WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF COMPLETING SOME OF THE.

THERE'S THERE'S KIND OF A SECTION THAT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED ALONG THE LOOP DRIVE THAT COULD BE FILLED IN WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING.

AND THAT MIGHT YIELD, WE THINK, SOMEWHERE AROUND 100 TO 130 SPACES THERE.

PRELIMINARILY, WE'RE TARGETING FOR THIS PROGRAM ABOUT 350 SPACES FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

BUT AS JIM MENTIONED, DEPENDING ON THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT A THIRD PARTY, THAT WOULD ALSO OPERATE SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE, THAT'S GOING TO PROBABLY ADD TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

AND YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE, I GUESS, TAMMY, COULD WE SEE SLIDE NINE AGAIN, PLEASE? JUST TO. THANK YOU.

SO TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE LARGE MAIN PARKING LOT IS, YOU'RE SAYING THERE WOULD BE MORE PARKING FILLED IN THERE? YES. YOU CAN SEE THAT GREEN EDGE THERE ALONG THE PERIMETER DRIVE.

THAT WOULD BE AN AREA THAT WE'D PROBABLY LOOK AT FOR ADDING SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN DONE AROUND THE REST OF THE SPLASH PARK.

OKAY. AND BUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE MOVED TO THE FRONT.

SO IT WOULD JUST WANTING TO THINK ABOUT PARKING OPTIONS WITH THIS VIEW VERSUS.

AND WE DID, WE DID A PARKING COUNT. WE, WE COUNT ABOUT 364 SPACES THERE CURRENTLY AS IT IS TODAY.

OKAY. BUT THE PARKING COSTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY INCLUDED IN THIS.

THEY ARE INCLUDED. SURFACE PARKING IS INCLUDED IN THE COSTS.

OKAY. OKAY. FOR THAT SITE REDEVELOPMENT. YES.

TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL SPOTS. THAT WAS. YES. INCLUDED IN THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

YEAH. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. CAN WE, I GUESS, BE SLIDE 17 OR 18.

NEXT. YEAH. ONE MORE. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS SLIDE IS SHOWING THE COST ESTIMATES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A RANGE BETWEEN 89.7 AND 108.2 MILLION.

SAME PROGRAM. ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES THAT I'LL POINT OUT IS IN THE CASE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION,

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THAT PROBABLY IS A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE MAY BE DEALING WITH DEPENDING ON WHICH SITE OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT.

BUT AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE.

SO THAT'S ONE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'LL SEE BETWEEN THE RENOVATION AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION IS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING MORE SITE AREAS.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE SITE DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER COMPLICATION OR JUST THING TO LOOK AT THERE IS RELATED TO THE ESCALATION.

YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE FOR THE NEW BUILD.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A SOMEWHAT SHORTER DURATION FOR ESCALATION OF 26 MONTHS, BUT WE'RE USING THE SAME ANNUAL MONTHLY AND ANNUAL RATE.

AND SO THAT MONEY IS INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE COST ESTIMATE.

AGAIN, IF WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT, WE CERTAINLY WILL.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

WE DO GET SOME EFFICIENCY BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON A NEW CONSTRUCTION SITE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT WE'D HAVE TO DO IN AN OCCUPIED BUILDING THAT WE'D HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON TO KEEP, KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

CAN YOU REITERATE THOSE TIME FRAMES AGAIN? SO 26 MONTHS FOR THIS NEW BUILD.

26 MONTHS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, 30 MONTHS FOR THE RENOVATION.

THAT'S THE MIDPOINT OF CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE LOOKING ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AT ABOUT A 21 MONTH CONSTRUCTION DURATION.

OKAY. SO MIDPOINT FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OPTION, WE'RE LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER OF 29.

AND THEN FOR THE RENOVATION OPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT JANUARY OF 2030.

SO AGAIN THOSE ARE MIDPOINT DATES. AND THOSE DATES THAT YOU JUST STATED ARE BASED ON SIMILAR SIMILAR SIZED FACILITIES, SIMILAR PROGRAMS. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF FACILITIES SIMILAR TO THIS VERY RECENTLY.

SO BUT I'M SAYING YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S BASED ON DECISIONS BEING MADE WITHIN THE NEXT 3060 DAYS.

I MEAN, I HAVE TO BACK UP 30 MONTHS TO. YES. AS A STARTING POINT, WE ASSUMED JULY JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT THIS YEAR OF DESIGN, GETTING A DESIGN PROCESS STARTED, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD INVOLVE ALL THE SELECTION PROCESS AND SO FORTH.

SO WE FACTORED ALL OF THAT IN. THANK YOU. TED.

I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO PAGE SEVEN.

PAGE SEVEN HAD ARCHITECTURAL COMPONENTS, STRUCTURAL SYSTEMS, ROOFING SYSTEMS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CAPITAL COSTS FOR INTEGRATED PLAN, ARE ALL THOSE COSTS INCLUDED IN THIS ESTIMATE? YES. SO WE'VE WE'VE USED YOU'LL NOTICE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND PROJECT COSTS. AND THAT DIFFERENCE IS FOR ALL OF THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

THAT'S FOR THINGS LIKE FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT.

ALL THE THINGS THAT THE OWNER TYPICALLY PROVIDES THAT MAY NOT BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE FEEL IT'S A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE PROJECT COST.

OKAY. BUT LIKE ROOFING AND MECHANICAL IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN, THOSE WILL BE UPGRADED.

THAT'S THAT 3 TO 5 MILLION IS JUST ALLOCATED TO DO ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE, IN THE STRUCTURE POINT STUDY.

AND THOSE WERE THE NEAR TERM AND THE SHORT TERM, WHICH WERE BASICALLY ABOUT A 18 MONTH IMMEDIATE ADDRESSING THOSE IMMEDIATELY.

AND THEN THE REST ARE LONGER TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN BECAUSE IT'S NOT FACTORED IN IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS SO WHEN I SAY 75.2, IS THAT REALLY 880? YEAH.

IF YOU GO, IT'S NOT IN YOUR NEW BUILD. IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO THE INTEGRATED.

SO THERE THAT SEE THE REPAIR EXISTING FACILITY CONDITION.

THAT'S THE FIRST PRINTED LINE UNDER THREE, 3.3 TO 5 MILLION.

SO IT IS IN THAT PLAN. SO WE RAISED IT UP. AND THEN THE NEW RENOVATION IS ON TOP OF OKAY BECAUSE THOSE HAVE TO OCCUR REGARDLESS.

YEAH. AND I'LL POINT OUT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TOO.

IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN JUDGMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE ABOUT WHAT YOU DECIDE TO REPLACE SOME.

YOU KNOW, THAT FACILITY IS BUILT IN 2002, 2003, AND CERTAIN THINGS AREN'T AREN'T IN IMMEDIATE NEED OF REPLACEMENT.

BUT AS THE PROCESS UNFOLDS OF ADDING ON TO THIS BUILDING IN A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT WAY, THERE MAY BE SOME JUDGMENT ABOUT HOW FAR YOU TAKE SOME OF

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TYPICALLY IN A PUBLIC FACILITY. WE LIKE TO TRY TO GET ALL THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT INDOORS WHERE IT LASTS LONGER AND OPERATES BETTER THAN THE LESS EXPENSIVE OPTION OF JUST PUTTING IT ON A ROOF.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVEN'T ASSUMED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO ALL OF THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO, WHICH IS PART OF THE RAIN GIVING YOU A RANGE TO SATISFY THAT.

YES, SIR. I LOOK AT THIS DOING SOME QUICK MATH, COMPARING THE THE RANGE.

IT APPEARS THAT USING THE Y THERE'S ABOUT 15 MILLION DIFFERENT IN CAPITAL COSTS. RIGHT? CORRECT. ANYWHERE FROM 14 TO 16.

TWO. YEAH. AND WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. OKAY.

THIS IS ALL THE WE NEED TO KEEP GOING. OKAY. I'M SORRY.

IN THE LATER PAGES. OKAY. SORRY FOR BEING. OH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. ONE MORE ADVANCE. SO HERE. NOW WE'LL GET BACK TO COMPARING THE TWO, AND ONE THING TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE.

WE USED THE SAME NUMBERS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN BOTH SCENARIOS, THE SAME NUMBERS FOR RENOVATION, AND THOSE ARE BASED ON DOLLARS AMOUNTS, OUR EXPERIENCE.

AND WE ALSO GOT SUBCONTRACTOR INPUT ON THOSE NUMBERS.

SO HERE'S BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE TWO SCHEMES.

WE'LL WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO FOR YOU.

ADVANCE THE SLIDE. SO HERE'S THAT BOTTOM LINE NUMBER.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM YOU'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN A RANGE OF A LITTLE OVER 75 MILLION TO $92 MILLION.

THAT'S GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE RANGE, ALL OF THOSE COSTS THAT WE JUST EXPLAINED ON THE NEW BUILD, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A RANGE BETWEEN JUST UNDER $90 MILLION, A LITTLE OVER 89 MILLION TO 108 MILLION.

SO THAT'S YOUR FINANCIAL IMPACT BETWEEN THE TWO IN A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH THAT WE BELIEVE BOTH BUILDINGS WILL DELIVER A LOOK AND FEEL AS CLOSE TO NEW IN THE INTEGRATED AND NEW IN THE NEW PROGRAM. NEXT SLIDE.

SO A COUPLE WE'LL SAY SOME KEY OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN.

CERTAINLY THE COST CONSIDERATIONS. SO YOU'RE BACK TO LOOKING BETWEEN A 17 TO 19% LOWER COST TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING THAN CONSTRUCTING A NEW PLAN IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN. YOU HAVE YOUR CURRENT FACILITY IS IN A FAMILIAR AND STRONG COMMUNITY POSITION, AS YOU KNOW, DOES PROVIDE ADEQUATE SPACE FOR THE PROGRAM, BUT DOES HAVE LIMITED EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES ONCE YOUR NEW PROGRAM IS ADDED.

YOU'RE REALLY GETTING INTO SOME REPLACEMENT OF OTHER ASSETS, OTHER ROADWAYS, CIRCULAR DRIVE.

AND IT DOES LIMIT THE POTENTIAL EXPANSION OF OF PARTNER SPACE, BUT IT DOES HAVE SPACES THAT ARE REUSABLE AND CAN SUPPORT SOME OF THE SMALL ROOM FUNCTIONS. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THE INTEGRATED PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE. SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE INTEGRATED PLAN.

CERTAINLY WE TALKED ABOUT THE MEP AND COST IMPLICATIONS.

THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF GETTING A LESS EFFICIENT BUILDING UTILIZING ODOR AREAS, YOUR HVAC SYSTEM, SOME OF THOSE OTHER SYSTEM COSTS AND TRYING TO RECONFIGURE THAT YOU'LL MOST LIKELY END UP WITH MULTIPLE ZONES FOR HEATING AND COOLING.

IT'S JUST A CHALLENGE AND A POTENTIAL COST IMPACT.

YOU DO HAVE SOME IN AN OLDER BUILDING, SOME DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS, LOWER CEILINGS FOR THOSE WHO'VE BEEN IN THAT SOME FRAGMENTED CIRCULATION, THE BEST WE COULD FIT. YOU STILL HAVE SOME REALLY LONG CORRIDORS IN AREAS THAT AFFECT THE EFFICIENCIES OF THE BUILDING.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE OPERATORS.

YOU DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL, AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH A THIRD PARTY MANAGER.

WHY? IT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION. YOU LOSE SOME LEVEL OF MANAGERIAL SUPPORT AND CONTROL IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS OR IF THERE ARE CHALLENGES.

ONCE YOU NEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT, YOU'RE MANAGING A CONTRACT FOR THE SERVICES, WHETHER IT BE THE Y OR ANY THIRD PARTY.

YOU'D HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF CONCERN FROM A POTENTIAL LOSS OF MANAGERIAL CONTROL.

NEXT SLIDE. THE OUTDOOR POOL IS ONE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE START LOOKING THAT IF YOU ENCLOSE THE POOL YOU'RE STILL INSUFFICIENT AREA TO PROVIDE YOUR PROGRAM.

SO THERE ARE STILL SOME SHORT CALL SHORTFALLS TO THE AQUATICS PROGRAM.

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SIMILAR TO THE MANAGERIAL RESPONSIBILITY OPERATIONAL AND THOSE QUALITY CONTROLS REALLY FOCUSED ON MANAGING A THIRD PARTY SERVICE PROVIDER WITHIN YOUR SPACE THAT HAS A MISSION OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH VERSUS WHAT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT YOU WOULD ESTABLISH FOR CONSIDERATION.

THIS BUILDING ALSO MAY HAVE MULTIPLE ENTRIES.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CONFIGURATION, IT'S JUST THINGS TO BE MINDFUL OF IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT BUILDING CAN RUN IN A SAFE MANNER AS WELL WITH THE NEW ADDITIONAL SPACE. NEXT SLIDE. SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHAT THE PINNACLE SITE IS, YOU KNOW, HAVING A NEW BUILD OPTION IS ONE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

IT'S AN EFFICIENT PURPOSE BUILT. YOU CAN TELL JUST PHYSICALLY LOOKING AT THE TWO, YOU KNOW, A RECTANGLE IS MUCH EASIER TO EXPAND, BUILD AND OPERATE THAN A MULTI WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL HOW.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL TERM, BUT IN THAT INTEGRATED PLAN, IT DOES CREATE JUST SOME BUILDING CHALLENGES THAT YOU'LL HAVE. THE PINNACLE SITE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT AGAIN IS HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE MOST OF YOUR POPULATION AND WHAT THE GROWTH PATTERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

NOW, ACTUALLY, THE PINNACLE SITE IS HITS ABOUT 58% OF YOUR CURRENT RESIDENTS, WHERE SOME GROWTH OPPORTUNITIES.

WE HAD NOTED ON THE EXISTING SITE THAT YOU'RE ABOUT 36% OF HITTING THAT POPULATION THAT CAN GET TO THE FACILITY IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES.

THAT'S KIND OF THE DRIVE AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

WE WILL HAVE, WE BELIEVE, SOME LOWER OPERATING COSTS FOR A NEW BUILD.

WE BELIEVE IT WILL MEET SOME OF THE EXPECTATION OF A NEW BUILD.

I MEAN, PART OF THE CHALLENGES AS NEW FACILITIES ARE MET, AND I'LL SAY COMPETITION AMONG COMMUNITIES, NOT FOR MY COMMUNITY OVER YOURS, BUT THE SERVICES OF WHICH YOU'RE PROVIDING.

CERTAINLY, WE WERE TRYING TO GET YOU TO THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE BELIEVE YOU WANT.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY IN THE REHAB, BUT YOU CERTAINLY GET THAT IN A NEW BUILD LOOK AND FEEL.

AND YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EXPANSION, MUCH EASIER EXPANSION THAN YOU DO ON THE CURRENT Y SIDE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S LOCATED AT THAT LOCATION.

NEXT SLIDE. OH, WAIT, GO BACK ONE. MAKE SURE.

DID I MISS ONE? YEAH. WELL THEN AGAIN, BACK TO THE POOL.

IT KEEPS THAT THAT ASSET IN THE COMMUNITY. NOW NEXT SLIDE.

SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE PINNACLE PLAN. CERTAINLY IT'S THE PRICE, RIGHT.

IF FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST 17 TO 19% HIGHER YOU NEED TO WEIGH THE DIFFERENCES OF THE OPERATIONAL AND EFFECT AND THE EFFICIENCIES. BUT IT IS A COST CONSIDERATION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE. IT'S EXPENSIVE.

THE EXPANSION OPPORTUNITIES, DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE OF PINNACLE PARKWAY YOU WOULD USE, YOU MAY HAVE LIMITED EXPANSION ON THE EAST SIDE THAT IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE AROUND PARKING. AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAINLY ABILITY EITHER TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROPERTY OR ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WOULD BE STRUCTURED ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU GAIN VISIBILITY OPPORTUNITIES PROBABLY FOR FOR MORE PARTNER SPACES, YOU HAVE MORE LAND TO EXPAND.

THE DOWNSIDE BEING YOU HAVE A FULL STAND OF MATURE TREES THAT WE'VE TRIED TO AVOID.

AND THAT'S KIND OF UNIQUE ON THAT SITE. SO WHAT'S.

NEXT SLIDE. YES, SIR. WOULD TRAFFIC BE A CONCERN AS WELL IN THIS AREA FOR PINNACLE OR FOR. NO, I THINK THE WAY THAT'S DESIGNED WITH ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY THAT IF YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT INGRESS AND EGRESS AT CERTAIN ENTRIES, I THINK MAKING SURE WHERE THAT SITE. SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH STAGING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING SOUTH CAN EASILY GET IN.

ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECONDARY EXIT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IT WHERE YOU'RE PULLING IN, GETTING OFF THE PARKWAY AND BACK OUT. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE EXPLORED IN THE DESIGN SIDE.

SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO MATCH IT THERE.

ON THE INTEGRATED SITE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WHERE YOUR ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE.

IF YOU HAVE TO EXPAND THAT, YOU ARE GOING TO START CREEPING INTO SOME OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT COULD BE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. DID WE LOSE OR ARE WE FINISHED HERE? FINISH THE SUMMARY. YEAH. SO IS THIS OKAY. SO BASICALLY THE OTHER PART OF PRESENTATION IS AT

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IT'S A VIABLE, VALUABLE OPTION. IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE.

IT'S WELL LOCATED. YOU HAVE AN ESTABLISHED PARTNER IN HAWAII, SO IT'S WORKABLE, BUT IT IS INEFFICIENT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S INEFFICIENT SPACE.

NEW BUILD SCENARIO. PINNACLE DOES GIVE YOU EFFICIENT, FLEXIBLE AND SUSTAINABLE SPACE OVER THE LONG TERM.

AND IT'S BASICALLY PLANNED TO BE FUTURE READY FOR FOR THE NEXT STAGE OF WHERE GROVE CITY MAY GO OVER TIME.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WE'VE LEFT IT, I THINK IT'S THE, THE PROS AND CONS TRYING TO BE AS, AS DIRECT AS WE COULD.

IT IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT YOU COULD NOT WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT YOUR CHOICE AND DIRECTION AND POLICIES.

SO WHAT IS THE COST OF REPLACING AN OUTDOOR POOL LIKE THAT OF THAT SIZE? I'M GOING TO LOOK TO LAUREN AND OR OR DON A QUICK ANSWER, PLEASE.

NO WAY. MORE THAN THAT, ASHLEY. I KNOW WE HAD SOME PRICING FROM BASED ON THE POOL AT UA, AND I CAN SAY AT THE PROJECT WE SPENT ABOUT 2.2 MILLION, 2.2 MILLION ON THE POOL, ON THE OUTDOOR POOL. WHAT WOULD I MEAN, AN INDOOR POOL.

SO JUST DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, THAT'S AN INDOOR POOL.

SO JIM, YOU DID SOME COST ANALYSIS AT THE VERY BEGINNING HERE ON SPACE AND FACILITY UPDATES TO THE WHY, THE WHY THE WAY IT SITS. WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO UPDATE THAT FACILITY? JUST THE EXISTING EXISTING FACILITY. WHAT WOULD IT COST TO UPDATE IT? WELL, CAN WE GO BACK TO HERE, LET ME LOOK AT MY SHEET.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE AS THE FACILITY, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO UPDATE THE FACILITY? NOT THE ADDITION, JUST AS THE FACILITY SITS THERE TODAY.

THANK YOU. NOT A FACELIFT. GOTCHA. NOT EXPAND THE WALLS OR ANY MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

JUST IMPROVE WHAT'S THERE. WHAT'S INTERNAL? OKAY.

THANK YOU. NOT THE 3 TO $5 MILLION.

YOU'D BE MOVING ABOUT. LET ME DO SOME QUICK MATH.

THIS IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS. I'M PULLING OUT A CALCULATOR. BUT, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE JUST RECEIVED THIS INFORMATION TODAY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DIGEST THIS. I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING FOR JUST AS AN IDEA OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GIVE IT A FACELIFT.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A BALLPARK. AND IT.

PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY IN THE RANGE OF 15 TO $20 MILLION THAT'S TAKEN THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND JUST TAKEN THAT RENOVATION AND SAYING, YOU'RE DOING THAT WHOLE RENOVATION WORK ON THAT 43,000FT² AT ABOUT $400 TOTAL PROJECT COST OF SQUARE FOOT.

AND THAT IS ME ON THIS CALCULATOR WITH WITH OTHER DETAIL, BUT THAT'S JUST THE RANGE.

AND WE'LL CHECK WHAT ARE YOU GETTING TO LIKE, WHAT IS THAT FIXING ON THE INSIDE? YEAH. I MEAN IS THAT WHAT IS THAT FIXING. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WHAT IS THAT FIXING ON THE INSIDE. DOES IT UPDATE THE THE THE LOCKER ROOMS. DOES IT IT'S IT'S BASICALLY UPGRADES IN THE EXISTING SPACE.

NOT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL SPACE IS JUST GETTING A MODERN FEEL, REPLACING ALL THE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT. I THINK JUST TRYING TO USE IS JUST PUTTING THAT SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THE SMALLER RENOVATION ON PIECES TO THAT WHOLE SQUARE.

JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, QUICK QUESTION, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO ACTUALLY REPLACE THE Y ITSELF? THE COST? ARE WE STILL AT 15, 20, 15 MILLION OR ARE WE AT 20 TO 30 MILLION? BALLPARK PROBABLY AROUND 32 TO 32 MILLION FOR A WHOLE NEW Y FOR THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE.

NEW FOR THAT REDUCED 4300 ZERO SQUARE FOOT. SO HALF YEAR PROGRAM IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

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I MEAN, HAWAII NEEDS UPGRADED OBVIOUSLY IN ANY SITUATION.

AND THEN YOU LOOK AT 32 MILLION TO REPLACE THE WHOLE WHY.

MY THING IS, IS WE'RE LOSING AN ASSET. IF WE MERGE, WE'RE LOSING AN ASSET, AN ADDITIONAL ASSET.

SO WE LOSE A POOL, WE LOSE COMMUNITY ROOMS, WE LOSE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS IN THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME. SO WHAT IS THE NET GAIN FOR THE COMMUNITY IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH THE WHY? EITHER SECONDARY OR THIRD AREA. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE NET GAIN? WE'RE STILL LOSING COMMUNITY ROOMS. WE'RE LOSING A POOL. WE'RE LOSING AN OUTDOOR POOL. WE'RE LOSING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE ASSETS FOR THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST BUILD SOMETHING BIGGER AT THE SAME OR I MEAN, WE NEED MORE, WE NEED MORE POOL AREA. WE NEED MORE REC SPACE.

WE NEED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MORE THINGS. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU THE QUESTION.

AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE CONCERN WE SAW.

WHEN YOU'RE MOVING THE OUTDOOR POOL, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT ASSET.

AND CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO TO LOOK AT AN ENHANCED PARTNERSHIP MODEL WHERE MAYBE THERE'S AN INVESTMENT IN THE Y TO EXPAND THE TO EXPAND THE AQUATICS, DO MORE OF THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM, MAYBE BRING MORE COMPETITIVE SET, MAYBE TAKE ON SOME HEAVY FITNESS THINGS THAT COULD BE REDUCED IN YOUR YOUR PROGRAM AND HAVE SOME COEXISTENCE, BUT THAT'S A FINANCIAL INVESTMENT AND A DISCUSSION.

FURTHER DISCUSSION. WHAT THE WHY? BUT IT BECOMES A CHOICE AND AN ADDITIVE OPPORTUNITY.

HOW THEY CAN FUNCTION TOGETHER. BUT, BUT TRYING TO HAVE ENOUGH DIFFERENCE.

SO YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AFTER I LOOK INTO THIS, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT, OKAY, 15 MILLION TO RENOVATE IT, BUT 32 MILLION TO REPLACE IT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, SO I LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE LOSING AN ASSET.

IF WE MERGE WITH THE Y, WE'RE MOVING, WE'RE LOSING AN ASSET.

RIGHT? AND WOULD YOU AGREE THAT BUILDING A STANDALONE MULTI GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER OBVIOUSLY BRINGS IN THAT BRINGS IN AN ASSET.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO ENHANCE THE OTHER ASSET. I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO THEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO WE WENT DOWN THIS PATH TO BRING FORTH A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR 4000 RESIDENTS.

I THINK THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE THE PERSPECTIVE OF IT'S A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A SPACE HERE.

WHY IS IT UP TO GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THEIR BUSINESS PLAN AND THEIR BUSINESS MODEL, AND GIVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO A NONPROFIT TO EXPAND? THERE'S ARGUMENTS THERE, TOO, BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR THE Y, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S THAT'S ONE THAT'S ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

IT'S ALSO AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AS IT AS YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S IF WE CAN ENHANCE IT, WE END UP HAVING MORE FACILITIES IN GENERAL.

SO IT'S JUST I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AS A CONVERSATION POINT.

THAT'S IT. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO LOSE RECREATION SPACE AND POOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO EXPAND IT PERSONALLY. YES. THANK YOU.

NO NO NO NO, DON'T DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD. PLEASE.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HAVING. GO AHEAD. WHO'S NEXT? JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON ON PAGE 15, SLIDE 15 WHERE YOU SAY THERE'S CITY ANTICIPATES UTILIZING SIX EXISTING ASSOCIATES.

IS THAT SIX INCLUDED IN THE COSTS THAT ARE LISTED, THE EXPENSES THAT ARE LISTED ON.

14 ALREADY OR IS THAT SO THEY'RE IN THERE. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A NET NEW ADD WOULD NOT BE NET NET.

SO WE WANTED TO ASSIGN IT TO THE FACILITY. BUT IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DIRECTOR IT'S JUST EITHER SOME SHARED RESPONSIBILITY ADDED WORK.

THAT WOULDN'T BE IT'D BE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT, BUT NOT NEW AT.

OKAY. AND THEN THESE TWO LINE ITEMS ON THAT ON SLIDE 14, THE YMCA, STAFFING, YMCA OVERHEAD ARE THOSE THOSE TWO COSTS, WOULD THOSE BE A COST TO THE CITY? SO WOULD THAT ALL THAT BASICALLY IS DOING IS TAKING THE, THE NUMBERS THAT THE Y GAVE US FOR THOSE ARE ALL THEIR NUMBERS FOR THE STAFFING THAT THEY WOULD PROPOSE FOR AQUATICS FITNESS CHILD WATCH.

AND THEY INCLUDED SOME LEADERSHIP TO THAT AND A 15% OVERHEAD ALLOCATION.

SO THAT'S THEIR NUMBERS. WHEN WE MOVE TO THE CITY OPERATION, WE'RE JUST STAFFING IT, LOOKING AT THE STAFFING OF THAT.

SO THEY'RE NOT ANY ADDITIONAL COST. THAT'S ONLY THAT WOULD BE A REDUCTION.

SO WE REDUCE THE STAFF. SO THE STAFFING IS THE SAME AS JUST THE ALLOCATION TO THE Y IS SOMETHING YOU'D BE PAYING AS A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP INSTEAD OF EMPLOYEES. THAT'S ALL THE NUMBERS ARE. YEAH. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS JUST FOR THE MOMENT, JUST FROM A.

YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FINANCIAL COUNTED SO EITHER ONE WOULD BE OFF.

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BUT THE COST TO THE CITY FOR THE INTEGRATED WOULD ACTUALLY BE 1.1 MILLION LESS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE COSTS THAT THE Y IS ABSORBING BECAUSE THAT'S YMCA STAFF, CORRECT? WELL, YOU'RE PAYING. NO, YOU'D BE PAYING. THE CITY IS PAYING.

YES. THAT'S THAT'S CONTEMPLATING THEM KEEPING WHOLE WITH THOSE DOLLARS AND VIA CONTRACT, YOU'D BE BASICALLY PAYING.

OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ABOUT EVEN YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT SERVICE JUST LIKE YOU WOULD PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE TO CLEAN THE BUILDING OR OKAY. OR A THIRD PARTY.

YEAH. A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. WE KNOW. AND ANY FOLLOW UP, WE'RE HAPPY TO DIG A LITTLE DEEPER IN SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I'M SORT OF GOING BACK TO THE RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING YMCA.

IF IT WERE NOT INTEGRATED WITH THE COMMUNITY PROGRAM YOU MENTIONED, IT'S ABOUT 400 $400 A SQUARE FOOT TO DO THAT.

YEAH. WITH WORK BECAUSE YOU STILL NEED SOME UPGRADED DESIGN PLAN.

SO THAT'S JUST MY, MY BALLPARK OF TRYING TO SAY, IF WE JUST PUT A NUMBER TO RENOVATING THAT WHOLE BUILDING, AND THEN YOU ADD, YOU STILL HAVE TO ADD YOUR SOFT COST OF A DESIGN ARCHITECT STILL TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE GAVE YOU A RANGE THAT'S PROBABLY COULD BE AS LOW AS $280 A SQUARE FOOT UP TO THAT.

IT'S JUST TRYING TO TRYING TO DO A QUICK FOR YOU.

OKAY. I GAVE YOU A WORST CASE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS WE JUST GOT THIS.

I MEAN THIS WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT, THE ONLY REASON I KNEW IT WAS IN A PREVIOUS PAGE IS BECAUSE I FLIPPED THROUGH. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DIGEST IT, AND MAYBE WE'LL SET TIME AT THE NEXT MEETING AT OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ATTEND THAT AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A LOT HERE AND I'VE GOT I'M GOING TO HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. A LOT I'VE WROTE A TON OF THEM DOWN.

IS THAT OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL THAT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN EITHER TAKE IT BEFORE OR AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING, AND IT'D BE NEXT MONDAY THAT WEEK. YEAH, YEAH.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY? THAT WAY YOU HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT, DIGEST IT, THINK IT THROUGH.

IS THAT ALL RIGHT, MISSY? IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION THAT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE RIGHT NOW OR.

I MEAN, THAT'S IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. ASK QUESTIONS.

I NEED TO READ THIS THING, I DON'T. MORE PEOPLE SPEAK FOR THE CITIZENS.

THEY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE. GO AHEAD. PLEASE. THIS.

THIS IS A COUNT. THIS IS A COUNCIL. YOU WILL HAVE MORE THAN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES OUT.

WHAT ARE THE CITIZENS WANT? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT THIS IS A SIR? SIR, THIS IS A WORKING GROUP OF COUNCIL. GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD. FOR THE OPERATIONAL COMPARISONS, THE ESTIMATED REVENUE IS THE SAME FOR BOTH THE INTEGRATION AND THE NEW BUILD.

AND THOSE ARE JUST ESTIMATES. BUT I GUESS WHAT LED TO THOSE NUMBERS.

YEAH. PART OF THAT IS JUST UTILIZING THE NUMBERS FROM THE DIRECTOR ON ANTICIPATED MEMBERSHIPS.

WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE THE SAME BECAUSE IF IT'S A CITY OPERATED AND THEN THE Y IS A PARTNER WITH THAT, THEN YOU'LL BE THE ONE SELLING MEMBERSHIPS AND THE PROGRAM FEE.

SO WE KEPT THOSE THE SAME BECAUSE THE ASSUMPTIONS ARE THE SAME FOR THE LARGER PROGRAM.

SO IT'S JUST TO KEEP THOSE EQUALLY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL LESS MEMBERS IF THE IF YOU'RE A PARTNER WITH THE WINE OR YOU SELL MORE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A PARTNER WITH THE WHY. IT'S JUST A BALANCE. WE WANTED TO USE THOSE NUMBERS, AND THEY'RE CONSERVATIVE.

WE BELIEVE THOSE ARE CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WOULD SAY FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, LOCATION IS KEY TO THAT NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS, I THINK BOTH SATISFY THAT.

YOU'RE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER ON THE PINNACLE SITE, BUT THAT'S A RELATIVELY AGGRESSIVE WHEN WE ARE DOING SOME OF THE EARLY PROGRAM, YOU THINK THROUGH THAT YOU USUALLY TAKE SOME TIME TO STABILIZE THAT.

SO YOU MAY NOT GET TO THE NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS THAT ARE SHOWN IN THIS OPERATIVE FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE FROM 8 TO 14 MONTHS. SO THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE AN OPERATING SUBSIDY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL YOU'RE OUT SELLING MEMBERSHIPS AND THINGS ARE SET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE. SO THIS, WE THINK WORKS FOR THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT ARE MADE AS FOLLOWS VERY CLOSELY TO THE PROS STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN THEIR PROJECTIONS. SO WE DIDN'T REALLY ADJUST THOSE MUCH.

SO WE'VE KEPT THEM CONSISTENT BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT'S THEY'RE ON TARGET FOR WHAT YOU WOULD SELL IN YOUR MEMBERSHIPS.

NOW ONE OF THE THINGS I'M NOT SURE I CAN'T REMEMBER AND JACK MAY AND CHUCK YOU MAY IN THE PROS STUDY IF THERE IS A DETERMINATION ON THE ELIGIBILITY

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JACKSON TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE CITY.

SO THAT BASE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN JUST GROVE CITY PROPER AND JACKSON TOWNSHIP OPENING UP TO EMPLOYEE BASE, WHICH IS WHAT CITY OF WESTERVILLE DOES. IT'S A IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASPECT TO HAVE THOSE MEMBERS WHO ARE WORKING.

AND THEN THEY JOIN AND THEN THEY STAY LATER. SO THE POTENTIAL FOR AN EXPANDED MEMBERSHIP BASE IS REALLY ALIGNED WITH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE.

YEAH. AND SEPARATE QUESTION. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE 3.8 TO 2 TO 5.9 MILLION IN IMMEDIATE SLASH SHORT TERM REPAIRS. I GUESS LIKE, AT WHAT POINT WERE THOSE REPAIRS GOING TO HAPPEN? LIKE MY MY QUESTION IS REALLY FOCUSED ON IS A PARTNERSHIP NECESSARY? YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS NOW A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING A PARTNERSHIP, AT WHAT POINT WAS THE WHY GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE REPAIRS CLEARLY NECESSARY FOR THE BUSINESS TO OPERATE? SO IN THE STRUCTURE POINT ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE, THEY BASICALLY LOOKED AT THE USEFUL LIFE OF EVERYTHING IN THE BUILDING, AND THEY CATEGORIZED TWO COLUMNS WHICH WERE GERMANE TO THIS.

THAT WAS IMMEDIATE AND NEAR-TERM, WHICH THEY CLASSIFIED A YEAR.

SO BASICALLY WE JUST TOOK THOSE ELEMENTS AND THAT'S UPGRADING ON THE SYSTEMS THAT WOULD REMAIN THINGS THAT SOME ARE COMPLIANT.

THEY'RE JUST A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT THEY BELIEVE NEED TO BE UPGRADED.

AND THEN WE ADDED THE RENOVATION TO FIT THE PROGRAM.

SO THOSE THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WON'T NEED TO BE REPLACED.

AND WE DIDN'T REPLACE THEM OR WE DIDN'T ADD ANY MORE DOLLARS FOR THOSE, SOME THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT LONGER A USEFUL LIFE, BUT THEY REALLY FUNCTION ON THE EXISTING SPACES.

THAT'S PART OF WHEN DON WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME INEFFICIENCIES, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT RUNS THIS AREA, NOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT RUN THIS AREA AND THEN SOME COORDINATION.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WE HAVE ALLOW IT TO BE OPERATED.

AND AMERICAN STRUCTURE POINT BELIEVES THAT THOSE SYSTEMS CAN STILL WORK.

SO WE DIDN'T REPLACE ALL OF THOSE. IT'S ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED.

THOSE WERE ALL IMMEDIATE OR NEAR TERM WHICH THEY CLASSIFIED AS A YEAR.

SO COULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL DEFICIENCIES DEFICIENCIES.

EXCUSE ME. ONCE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, LIKE IF LET'S SAY CONSTRUCTION BEGAN, COULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE? WELL, CERTAINLY EVERYTHING IN AN OLDER BUILDING HAS OPPORTUNITIES.

THINGS YOU FIND AS YOU'RE DIGGING DEEP INTO IT.

THAT WAS PART OF, I THINK, HAVING THE ASSESSMENT DONE.

AND THEN WE FOLLOWED ALONG. SO YOU BASICALLY HAD TWO FOLKS DOING THE ASSESSMENT.

BUT UNTIL YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, TEARING INTO WALLS AND DOING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, YOU DON'T KNOW WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT.

I THINK SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE ARE JUST REALLY RELATED TO THE AGE OF THE BUILDING AND SOME OF THE THINGS JUST TO UPGRADE, BUT WE WOULDN'T THINK THAT IT WOULD BE HIGHER THAN THOSE AMOUNT.

I THINK THOSE ARE VERY SAFE. THAT RANGE IS A VERY GOOD SAFE NUMBER.

WE WOULDN'T INCREASE IT AT ALL. THANK YOU. YES.

HELLO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED WORK. I KNOW THIS HAS NOT BEEN AN EASY TASK, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.

BACK TO THE MEMBERSHIP YOU TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS AND EMAILS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THAT IF WE DID HAVE SEPARATE FACILITIES IN GROVE CITY THAT THE SILVER SNEAKERS PROGRAM WOULD NOT, WOULD NOT, MAYBE NOT BE AVAILABLE.

BUT I WOULD SEE THAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT BOTH FACILITIES.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT TYPE OF MEMBERSHIP? NO, I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION MORE WITH THE SILVER SNEAKERS FOLKS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD WANT TO OPERATE TO THE SAME, I WOULD THINK THAT THERE IS A PATH FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL ABOUT ADDING MEMBERS AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT HEALTHY COMMUNITY. I COULDN'T SAY HOW THEY'RE REACTING.

AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH IN HILLIARD HOW THEY'RE DOING WITH THE DUAL FACILITIES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE.

YEAH. BOTH LOCATIONS, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAD A SENIOR CENTER AT THE NEW POTENTIAL.

AND THEN WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A BIG NUMBER, BIG PRICE TAG ON THE INTEGRATED PLAN.

HOW WAS IT AGAIN? WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT LIKE, WOULD THAT BUILDING THEN BE OWNED BY THE CITY AND OPERATED BY THE Y.

I MEAN, WHO'S WHO WOULD BE ACTUALLY, WE'RE PAYING FOR 92 MILLION OR $108 MILLION.

SO DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ALL THE PARTIES. I KNOW IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE Y, WE TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY'S GOALS WERE TO HAVE A CITY OWNED AND OPERATING OPERATING FACILITY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THAT COULD WORK, WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DUAL MEMBERSHIPS, THE Y SELLING A MEMBERSHIP IN THE CITY. IT WOULD BE A CITY MEMBERSHIP THAT WOULD EXTEND INTO THE OTHER AREAS.

BUT THE THE IDEA WAS THAT THE CITY, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME,

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AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED. IF YOU COULD WORK OUT A DEAL THAT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE FACILITY WOULD BE TO THE CITY WITH AN OPERATING AGREEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO MATCH A TERM THAT WAS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT'S REMAINING ON THEIR TERM.

THE IDEA WAS NOT TO PENALIZE THE Y, BUT IF THERE'S AN OPTION THERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO LONG ENOUGH TO WORK FINANCIALLY FOR THE Y AND FOR THEM TO BE A PARTNER THAT WORK FINANCIALLY FOR YOU. AND SO WE TALKED, TALKED ABOUT IT.

THAT WAS THE ASSUMPTIONS. BUT WE KNOW WE WEREN'T NEGOTIATING ON YOUR BEHALF.

WE WERE JUST GETTING INFO. THESE ARE BIG QUESTIONS.

YES, YES. THANK YOU. WELL, AND THAT'S PART OF THE KEY, RIGHT, IS ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS IN AN INTEGRATED PLAN ARE GOING TO RELY ON NEGOTIATIONS BEING MAYOR SIMPLE. WHAT YOU'RE PAYING, HOW MUCH YOU'RE PAYING, THE STAFFING, ALL THAT STUFF.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR STAFF, ALL THE WORK THEY'VE PUT IN TO JIM AND INCREDIBLE A NUMBER OF EXERCISES AND DO A NUMBER CRUNCHING. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO REMIND ME, JACK, IF WE RAN OUR OWN FACILITY.

I THOUGHT OUR MODELING SAID WE WERE HAD A $1.3 MILLION SHORTFALL, LIKE IN YEAR ONE, YEAR TWO.

AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IS THAT SHORTFALL STILL IF WE'RE AN INTEGRATED SITUATION? WELL, RIGHT NOW IN OUR REVIEW OF STAFFING COSTS AND THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN OPERATIONS. EVEN THE NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS ARE VERY SIMILAR FROM AN OPERATION AND STAFFING.

IT'S ABOUT THE SAME FULL TIME. IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT ON HOW THE PART TIMES ARE APPLIED, BUT BASED ON THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, AND WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THAT IN THOSE PROJECTIONS, IS TO SEE IT'S REALLY DRIVING YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND THE NUMBER THAT'S THE REVENUE PIECE.

BUT FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR MODELS.

IT'S JUST THE REVENUE PIECE THAT WE DID NOT ADJUST.

WELL, I THOUGHT UNDER THE SCENARIO OF HAVING TWO SEPARATE FACILITIES THAT THERE MIGHT BE A DILUTION AND THEREFORE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SHORTFALL.

I MEAN, THERE'S SOME DYNAMICS THAT COME INTO PLAY, RIGHT? IF YOU WERE TO SEPARATE AND THE SHORTFALL I THOUGHT WAS ESTIMATED 1,000,002, YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. YES, SIR. AN ORIGINAL PRO FORMA THAT WE DID AS A STAND ALONE FACILITY. WE FOCUSED ON OUR COST RECOVERY, A TARGET FIGURE OF 75%.

THAT WOULD LEAVE US ABOUT A MILLION, 1.1 MILLION SHORTFALL THAT NEEDED TO BE SUBSIDIZED, THAT 25%.

HOWEVER, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE'S MORE REFINEMENT HAPPENING.

THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL NUMBERS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT ACTUAL AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FACILITY UNTIL WE GET TO DETAILED DESIGN AND FOCUS ON WHAT OUR BUDGET NUMBER IS AND CONSTRUCTING TO THAT BUDGET NUMBER.

SO AS WE CONTINUE TO REFINE THOSE, THAT PRO FORMA WILL BE REFINED AS WELL.

YEAH. WELL, MY CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS IF THERE IS A SUBSIDY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING IT INTO OUR OPERATING OVERALL OPERATING FUND, THE GENERAL FUND. AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, AS JIM PRESENTED TONIGHT, BOTH, OPTIONS FIT WITHIN THAT COST RECOVERY AND THEY'RE BASED ON THAT. WHAT'S DIFFICULT FOR JIM TO SHOW HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASING THIS OFF OF TWO FACILITIES FOR THE STANDALONE FACILITY.

WE'RE BASING IT OFF TWO FACILITIES OPERATING AT THE SAME TIME.

MEMBERSHIP WOULD BE THERE. SO WE'RE PROJECTING A LOWER MEMBERSHIP MODEL OF 3800 IN OUR STANDALONE FACILITY.

I THINK THE WHY HAS SAID THAT THERE ARE OVER 6000 NOW OR RIGHT AROUND THERE.

SO IF WE INTEGRATE TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE.

WE HAVEN'T DIVED INTO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BACK TO YOU, SIR. I KNOW ON PAGE 26. I BELIEVE IT WAS ESTIMATED ABOUT A TEN MINUTE DRIVE TO THE PINNACLE LOCATION.

I'M TRYING TO THINK OF TRANSPORTATION BEYOND VEHICLE ACCESS, WHICH SITE WOULD BETTER ACCOMMODATE FOR.

BIKERS AND PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO WALK. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

CAN I ADD SOME. JUST AS WE'RE HAVING COUNCIL CONVERSATION.

RIGHT. THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AS WELL WITH FRIAR PARK.

THERE ARE CERTAINLY BIKE PATHS AND SIDEWALK ACCESS COMING FROM ONE PORTION OF THE ROADWAY.

HEADING TOWARDS FRIAR PARK. BUT THEN ONCE YOU GET TO FRIAR PARK AND IF YOU WERE TO HEAD FROM FRIAR PARK OUT TO 62,

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CORRECT. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE THE CITY WORKING WITH TOWNSHIP TO EVEN TRY AND ACHIEVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT THERE.

YOU HAVE DEMAREST OBVIOUSLY THAT WHERE OR WHEN YOU GO NORTH FROM FRIAR PARK WHERE THAT WOULD TAKE YOU.

I WOULD ALSO BE CURIOUS IF A COMPARISON OF THE DRIVE TIME FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION COMPARED TO FRIAR PARK.

BUT I THINK WITHIN PINNACLE, THE PINNACLE PARK THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, YOU HAVE THE ROADWAY THAT WAS RECENTLY EXPANDED AND THE BIKE PATHS AND SIDEWALKS THAT WERE EXPANDED. WE HAVE THE WORK HAPPENING ON THE HOOVER BRIDGE TO MAKE BIKING AND TRANSPORTATION.

EASIER THAN THAN THE SIDEWALK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY OVER THAT BRIDGE.

SO I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WITH WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN TO DATE THAT CAN HELP BRING MORE OF THAT CONNECTIVITY TO THE PINNACLE PARK SPACE THAN WHERE IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW WITHIN FRIAR PARK.

BUT I WOULD SAY WITH OUR DESIGN FOR THE I-71 BRIDGE AND WITH IT BEING FULLY OPERATIONAL FROM, FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, YOU NOW HAVE A NEW EAST TO WEST CONNECTOR THAT WILL GO IN RIGHT BEHIND FRIAR PARK.

DO WE OWN THE LAND BEHIND FRIAR PARK? PARDON ME.

DO WE CURRENTLY OWN THE LAND BEHIND FRIAR PARK? WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD.

BUT NO, WE DON'T OWN IT. WE DON'T CURRENTLY OWN IT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ENTIRE PROCESS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT EGRESS OR OWNERSHIP OF LAND TO EVEN BEGIN THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF CONNECTIVITY VERSUS THE CONNECTIVITY THAT LIKELY IS ALREADY IN PLACE FOR PINNACLE PARK.

SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, AND EVEN FROM 62 TOWARDS FRIAR PARK.

AND PART OF THAT, JUST AS A REMINDER, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT SITES, BOTH OF THOSE.

THAT WAS ALL DISCUSSED IN HOW THEY AND HOW BOTH SITES.

THE HOOVER WHITE SITE AND WERE EVALUATED AT THAT.

REPEAT ALL THAT. SORRY. TED. HE'S TAKING CARE OF IT.

OKAY. SORRY. COULD YOU PLEASE, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SITE SELECTION CRITERIA, THOSE WERE KEYS THAT WERE EVALUATED FOR BOTH SITES, WHICH IS WHY THEY BOTH WERE ON YOUR LIST OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, WHAT'S PLANNED THERE, AND THE EASE OF SOME OF THAT CONNECTION.

SO WE CAN PULL SOME OF THAT INFO AND ADDRESS SOME OF THAT SPECIFICALLY.

BUT IT WAS A FACTOR. TRYING TO GET YOU MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET IN AND OUT IS CERTAINLY KEY.

YES. AND ALSO WHILE YOU'RE HERE AND YOU DO BRING UP THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE I DO WANT TO JUST ADDRESS AGAIN BECAUSE I SAT ON THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, JODY BURROWS SAT ON THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE.

TRICIA ZELNICK, WHO'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, SAT ON THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, AS SOME OTHERS DID AS WELL. SO WHEN THERE WERE 19 SITES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY COMPARED AND WHEN THE EVALUATION CAME BACK, FRIAR PARK DID NOT BUBBLE UP TO THE TOP.

AND I CAN'T RECALL WHICH NUMBER ONE THROUGH 19, FRIAR PARK LANDED, BUT IT WAS ASKED OF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO REDO EVALUATIONS.

SO THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WENT THROUGH THAT ENTIRE EXERCISE.

WE EVALUATED 19 SITES INCLUDING FRIAR PARK. FRIAR PARK CAME IN AT A LOWER RANKING, AND IT WAS ASKED FOR THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE TO REDO THAT.

CAN YOU WHY WAS IT ASKED TO REDO THAT? AND AGAIN, REITERATE THAT IT WAS DISCUSSED IF THE WHY DID NOT EXIST THERE TODAY, IF WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE PARK ITSELF, AND I BELIEVE WE WEREN'T EVEN TALKING OF EXPANSION OF A CURRENT BUILDING, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SITE ITSELF, THE LAND, THE GROUND.

AND I JUST WANT TO HELP LEVEL SET THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WITH SOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS TO FRIAR PARK, BUT IT WASN'T EVEN IN THE FIRST TOP FIVE TO BEGIN WITH.

RIGHT? SO IN THE ORIGINAL EVALUATION, IT WAS NOT PART OF THE TOP FIVE BECAUSE PART OF THE REVIEW WAS THIS WAS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE.

WE DON'T KNOW IF THE WHY WOULD BE A PART OF. THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WHEN WE SAID, IF YOU TAKE OFF ANY OF THOSE CONCERNS, HOW WOULD YOU SCORE THIS? AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN WE DID THE SITE FIT, THE ORIGINAL SITE FIT WAS NOT TO NECESSARILY REDO ALL OF THE BUILDING WAS TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING THAT WAS RECTANGULAR TO THE, I THINK IT'S THE WEST PIECE, AND THEN TO REUSE PART OF THE AQUATICS.

THAT WAS THE MOST ECONOMICAL WAY THAT SITE WOULD COULD BE DEVELOPED.

SO IT WAS NOT, OH, LET'S ADD TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE IN INEFFICIENCIES.

YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT I LOOK AT IT, IF WE WOULD STEP BACK, ALL OF US AND SAY WE'RE DESIGNING A NEW COMMUNITY FACILITY AND THE Y WAS NOT A PARTNER, YOU WOULD NEVER DESIGN THE BUILDING THAT IS EXPANDED.

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AND SO THERE ARE OTHER DISCUSSIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS THAT ARE COMING INTO PLAY.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOW WE WOULD DESIGN AND BUILD THE RIGHT COMMUNITY CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE PROGRAM THAT YOU WANT.

THAT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, AN EASY WAY TO EXPLAIN IT.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, CAN WE DO BOTH? DOES IT WORK? WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST YOU TO DO BOTH? YOU KNOW, HOW EFFICIENT WILL IT BE? BECAUSE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR BOTH PARTIES IS TO CREATE SOMETHING AND PEOPLE GO, GOD, THIS DOESN'T OPERATE. THIS SUCKS. WHY GETS BLAMED? YOU GET BLAMED. I MEAN, THAT CAN HAPPEN TOO, BECAUSE IT IS NOT WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD EXPECT IN A NEW FACILITY.

SO IT'S JUST THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BE THINKING AS PART OF THIS EVALUATION.

AND AGAIN, BUT IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT THE WHY WOULD NOT EXIST THERE IF THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE REEVALUATED FRIAR PARK.

DO YOU KNOW WHY WE WERE ASKED TO REEVALUATE FRIAR PARK AFTER WE'D ALREADY REEVALUATED? IT WAS REALLY BECAUSE OF THAT LOCATION, JUST TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH OF THE SCORING WAS BECAUSE THE WHY WAS ON THE EXISTING SITE.

SO IT WAS JUST, YOU DON'T TAKE BLINDERS OFF AND LET'S SEE HOW THAT WOULD RANK.

YEAH, I THINK THERE WAS DEFINITELY A CONCERN EXPRESSED THAT NIGHT FROM THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT IT WAS CERTAINLY GOING TO MUDDY THE WATERS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE GOTTEN AS A BODY WE'VE STARTED TO LOOK AT A LARGE MULTI GENERATIONAL COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE HAVE NOW BEEN ABLE TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF THIS APPLES TO APPLES.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE RIGHT ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND WHAT IS THE RIGHT ASSET FOR OUR LARGE ADMINISTRATION THAT CAN ALREADY OPERATE A FACILITY? AND I KNOW, TED, YOU'RE STARTING TO HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WHY OR WHO'S IMPROVING THE WHY.

BUT THAT WAS NOT REALLY WHAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER CONVERSATION OR PATH THAT WE HAD BEEN GOING DOWN WAS, HAS BEEN ABOUT. THANK YOU. I KNOW. AND SO TALKING ABOUT THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH PINNACLE PARK, I ALSO KNOW THAT THAT WASN'T ONE OF OUR TOP SELECTIONS EITHER WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THOSE 18 OR 19.

AND THE ONLY REASON IT BUBBLED UP WAS BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND.

YEAH. I THINK THROUGH I THINK YOU EVALUATED ALL THE TOP FIVE, AND THERE'S NO ONE WILLING TO SELL YOU THE PROPERTY, THE USE OR DIVIDING PROPERTY. SO YOU MOVE DOWN THE LIST.

YOU DIDN'T START WITH THESE TWO. THESE WERE THE TWO THAT ENDED UP BEING PART OF WHAT IS POTENTIALLY FEASIBLE FOR YOU TO DO.

YOUR FACILITY. AND CERTAINLY PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN IS MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE THAN PROPERTY THAT YOU'D HAVE TO NEGOTIATE AND PURCHASE.

AND I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION TOO.

AND I THINK ALSO THE PINNACLE PARK, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WAS THE ROAD GOING THROUGH BOTH PARCELS.

IT IS A SMALLER SITE THAN I THINK. ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT 15 TO 20 ACRES IS WHAT WE KIND OF THE MINIMUM WE WANTED TO BE AT.

BUT THIS IS, I THINK, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, 12 ACRES.

IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LESS, I THINK NINE, A LITTLE OVER UNDER TEN.

OKAY. I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAD SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE TREES, AND I THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT MORE THE INVASIVE AND THE NEW GROWTH VERSUS THE MATURE. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT.

AND BACK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT SUBSIDIZING THE OPERATING COSTS.

I LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IS IN FRONT OF US, NO MATTER WHERE WE GO OR WHAT DECISION WE MAKE AS FAR AS LIKE THIRD PARTY HOSPITAL SPONSORS. I THINK THAT IS A BIG KEY COMPONENT IN HELPING WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE FINANCIALLY.

YEAH, FOR SURE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE THAT I KNOW WASN'T NECESSARILY AVAILABLE TO UPPER ARLINGTON, THEY HAD PLANNED TO PARTNER SPACE FOR TWO REASONS.

ONE, IT WAS BUILT IN EXPANSION BECAUSE THEY WERE LANDLOCKED.

SO THEY HAD TO HAVE ROOM THEY COULD GROW INTO.

AND THEY ALSO WERE COUNTING ON THE REVENUE COMING FROM THAT TO COVER THEIR DEBT.

IN THIS EQUATION, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU END UP WITH YOUR BUDGET, IT'S NOT RELIANT ON THAT.

SO THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE ALMOST A STANDALONE POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT KIND OF APPROACH WHERE YOU'RE ACTUALLY, THEY'RE PAYING THE BULK OF THE COST AND YOU'RE GETTING THE BULK OF THE REVENUE BOTH IN RENT AND IN NEW EMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO, TO THINK ABOUT. YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN RELYING ON, OH, PLEASE, WE HAVE TO GO FIND A PARTNER TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT.

YOU'RE IN A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL SITUATION THAN THEY WERE AT THE TIME.

ALAN. JUST ON THE ON THE SITE. IT'S INTERESTING.

WE THERE WAS A CONVERSATION LAST THURSDAY NIGHT IN THIS VERY ROOM ABOUT A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT VERY SPIRITED CONVERSATION.

WOULD YOU SAY YOU CLASSIFIED, MR. ROMER? YEAH.

THAT LITERALLY IS A STONE'S THROW AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING, PUTTING THIS BUILDING PRIMARILY ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS TRAFFIC AND YOU KNOW,

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AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THIS LATER. BUT AGAIN, THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS I'M STILL VERY CONCERNED WITH, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF HITTING PEOPLE THREE, THREE DIFFERENT WAYS ON THIS.

NUMBER ONE WITH TIFF TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE TOWNSHIP.

NUMBER TWO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A POTENTIAL INCOME TAX INCREASE.

AND NUMBER THREE, YOU STILL GOT TO BUY A MEMBERSHIP.

SO IN GENERAL, I'M JUST CONCERNED IN GENERAL ABOUT THE, THE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT, QUITE HONESTLY.

SO. OKAY. MR. PEZZUTI, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO JOIN US NEXT MONDAY? YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO ADD A POINT, THOUGH, ABOUT THE TIFF.

WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE ORDINANCE FOR THE TIFF, SO THE TIFF HAS ALREADY SPOKEN FOR. IT IS ALREADY THE NEXT 15 YEARS.

IT IS EXPANDED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. PIZZUTI. AND WE'LL EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE FLOODING YOU WITH QUESTIONS.

SO, MR. RUSSELL, I THINK YOU MIGHT GET. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, JIM.

I'M NOT TOO BAD TOO BAD. YOU'D. YOU'D PROBABLY BE RETIRED BY NOW.

ALL RIGHT. OUR NEXT OUR NEXT GROUP DISCUSSION HERE IS ON THE CHARTER AND MR.

[Charter Amendments]

SINCE IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS SINCE WE'VE TAKEN THAT, SINCE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE NEW MEMBERS.

I HAVE SOME PRESENTATIONS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO. YEAH, YOU CAN PASS THEM OUT. YEAH. ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT WANT TO STAY FOR THIS, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE. JUST BE QUIET IF YOU WOULD.

AS YOU EXIT, SEE HOW FAST THE ROOM EMPTIES.

PRESIDENT BARRY MAYOR STAGE COUNCIL I'M DAVID FREE.

6095 IROQUOIS COURT. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME COME HERE TODAY.

AND I HOPE TO DO A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF RECAP HOW WE GOT HERE VERY QUICKLY.

I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT THE CHARTER COMMITTEE WENT THROUGH IN THE LAST YEAR OR MORE, AND THEN PROPOSE A WAY FORWARD FOR HOW WE CAN ENGAGE IN THIS PROJECT AND MOVE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

SEVEN. GO AHEAD. SO WHERE WE STAND TODAY, OUR CHARTER WAS ADOPTED IN 1958. IT HAS AN ELECTED MAYOR WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TERM. THAT'S THE ROLE THAT IS LIKE THE RIGHT HAND MAN TO THE THE MAYOR AND THEN A CITY COUNCIL.

IF YOU MOVE TO PAGE FOUR, THERE'S A NICE CHART THERE OF LOTS OF LITTLE BOXES THAT SHOW THE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

ONE IS THE CURRENT FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHERE WE HAVE ON THE LEFT, WHERE WE HAVE THE CITIZENS OF GROVE CITY ELECTING A MAYOR AND A CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY FALL UNDER THE MAYOR AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR FROM THAT POINT.

SO THE CHARTER COMMITTEE ACTUALLY GOES BACK ALMOST A DECADE TO 2017.

IN THAT REVIEW CYCLE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FORWARD.

CHANGING FORM OF GOVERNMENT WAS THE ONE THAT DIDN'T GET TO THE BALLOT.

THE EXPANSION OF COUNCIL TO SEVEN MEMBERS ADDING TWO WARDS DID MAKE IT, BUT THE.

THE CHANGE TO A COUNCIL MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WE CAME BACK IN 2020 FOR. A NEW COMMITTEE WAS FORMED BY COUNCIL TO EXPLORE JUST THE QUESTION OF CHANGING FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND THEY CAME BACK AT THE. THEY STARTED IN SEPTEMBER.

SEPTEMBER 11TH OF 2024, WORKED VERY HARD WITH BIWEEKLY MEETINGS AND MADE THEIR REPORT ON JANUARY 22ND OF 2025, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS ON THE COMMITTEE VOTED TO RECOMMEND A CHANGE IN FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO THE CITY MANAGER COUNCIL. THERE WERE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF CHANGING TO CITY MANAGER FORM.

THERE WERE THREE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT VOTED TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS, AND THERE WAS ONE MEMBER OF COUNCIL THAT CHOSE A HYBRID OPTION.

THERE WERE ALSO, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER, BUT THE NUMBER OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WOULD ACCEPT A HYBRID OPTION EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T VOTE FOR IT AS THE PRIMARY, AS THEIR PRIMARY CHOICE.

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I SAT THROUGH MOST OF THOSE MEETINGS AS YOU READ THE CHARTER OUT LOUD TO EACH OTHER AND QUESTIONED AND TALKED ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE.

SO LET ME TALK ABOUT WHAT A COUNCIL MANAGER GOVERNMENT IS LIKE.

SO IT HAS AN ELECTED COUNCIL THAT WHOSE MAYOR IS, IF YOU WILL, A CEREMONIAL MAYOR ELECTED FROM WITHIN ITS OWN MEMBER.

SO THE SEVEN OF YOU EVERY OTHER YEAR DURING A REORGANIZATION MEETING, WOULD CHOOSE A MAYOR AND A VICE MAYOR, AND EVEN APPOINTING A ACTING MAYOR WHO WOULD FILL IN IF THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR WERE NOT PRESENT.

BUT THE MAYOR HAS NO ADMINISTRATIVE OR EXECUTIVE DUTIES.

IT DOES NOT DO ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF COUNCIL DOES.

OTHER THAN IT SHOWS UP FOR RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONIES AND REPRESENTATION AT MEETINGS.

BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE. THE MAYOR ON COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER TO DO ANY ADMINISTRATIVE STUFFS OUTRIGHT.

COUNCIL WOULD THEN CHOOSE TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER IN MUCH REGARD, SIMILAR TO OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, BUT IT WOULD BE CHOSEN BY COUNCIL. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, REMOVED BY COUNCIL IF NEEDED.

SO YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TO INFLUENCE THE GOVERNANCE GOVERNMENT THERE.

AND IT WOULD BE HIRED STRICTLY ON PROFESSIONAL AND EXECUTIVE CAPABILITIES.

NOT ON JUST SOMEBODY THAT HAPPENS TO KNOW THE MAYOR.

AND I'M NOT SPEAKING OF MY CURRENT MAYOR OR ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF A NEW MAYOR WHO HAD NO RESPONSE, KNOW WHERE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT DOESN'T ANSWER TO COUNCIL COULD BE ANYBODY THE MAYOR WANTS. SO THE NEW CHARTER WOULD BRING PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT INTO THE DAILY CITY OPERATIONS.

IT COULD STRENGTHEN OVERSIGHT. I'LL TALK IN A MINUTE ABOUT A DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD AND I DON'T KNOW WAS FULLY SETTLED.

AND THAT IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE APPOINTMENT OF THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

WE COULD PUT INSTITUTIONAL SAFEGUARDS INTO THE CHARTER TO MAKE SURE THAT LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE SOME GUARDRAILS THAT REQUIRE MORE OF A VOTING MAJORITY TO APPROVE THEM. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF WE FOUND A NUMBER OF TEXT UPDATES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THE 1958 CHARTER USED GENDERIZED PRONOUNS.

THERE WERE SOME TYPOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO BE TO BE LOOKED AT.

SO MOVING ON, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR.

THIS IS SLIDE EIGHT. SO AS I SAID, IT OCCURS AT YOUR BIANNUAL ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING.

YOU ELECT ONE OF THE MAYORS BY MAJORITY VOTE, ONE OF THE MEMBERS BY MAJORITY VOTE AS THE MAYOR AND YOU ELECT A VICE MAYOR AT THE SAME WAY. THE MAYOR, THE THE MAYOR, CURRENTLY A PRESIDENT COUNCIL, WOULD PRESIDE OVER THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, SET THE AGENDA, BUT NO EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE POWERS AND WOULD HAVE A TWO YEAR TERM.

THE MAYOR SERVES AS THE HEAD OF STATE. NO EXECUTIVE DUTIES.

THE VICE MAYOR WOULD STAND IN FOR THE MAYOR OR SUCCEED THE MAYOR IF THE ELECT.

THE MAYOR WAS TO RESIGN OR LEAVE UNEXPECTEDLY, WE ALSO.

THERE'S A CHANGE BEEN MADE IN THE LATEST DRAFT OF THE CHARTER THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ACTING MAYOR ROLE ESTABLISHED IF NEITHER THE MAYOR OR VICE MAYOR WERE PRESENT.

THE APPOINTMENT IS OF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD BE BY COUNCIL FROM.

SO YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF INTERVIEWING AND HIRING THE CITY MANAGER.

HE MUST BE OR BECOME A GROVE CITY RESIDENT. AND COUNCIL CAN REMOVE THE CITY CITY MANAGER FOLLOWING DUE PROCESS WHICH IS WRITTEN INTO THE CHARTER.

INTERESTINGLY, THE CHARTER DOES NOT ADDRESS THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT OR ANY OTHER CITY MANAGER ASSISTANTS.

I THINK THAT'S AN AREA WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT AGAIN IN THE CHARTER.

THE SLIDE NINE JUST LISTS OUT SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES.

NOW, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT COUNCIL DEBATED AND DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE DRAFT, BUT I THINK IS WORTH COUNCIL TALKING THROUGH ONE MORE TIME IS THE DIRECTOR OF LAW AND FINANCE. THESE ARE TWO VERY, VERY IMPORTANT POSITIONS.

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I SUSPECT IT WOULD BE A VERY LONG TIME BETWEEN APPOINTMENTS OF A LAW DIRECTOR OR A FINANCE DIRECTOR, BUT PERHAPS THAT POWER SHOULD STAY IN CITY COUNCIL.

THE OTHER LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT PIECE IS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

IT IS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED PER YOUR DELIBERATIONS THAT THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WOULD BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, ALL, ALL OF THE BOARDS IN POSITION AND REMOVED IF NEEDED.

A NEW ONE WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS A SUPERMAJORITY VOTING THRESHOLD.

SO ONE OF THE TECHNICAL CHALLENGES OF NOT HAVING A STRONG MAYOR IS YOU LOSE THE MAYORAL VETO.

SO ON BIG IMPORTANT PROJECTS WHERE A SIMPLE MAJORITY PASSES, THAT IS A FOUR OF SEVEN VOTE PASSES.

TYPICALLY A MAYOR WOULD BACKSTOP THAT AND COULD VETO THAT DECISION.

IN THIS CASE, WITHOUT AN EXECUTIVE MAYOR THERE IS NO MAYOR'S VETO.

SO THE QUESTION IS ARE THERE SOME SORTS OF ORDINANCES THAT REALLY SHOULD RISE TO A SUPERMAJORITY LEVEL SO THAT THEY REQUIRE A BIGGER CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO DO THAT. I'M THINKING OF OUR U.S.

SENATE IN THIS CASE, WHERE IT TAKES 60 VOTES TO PASS LEGISLATION INSTEAD OF 50.

AND GIVEN SOME OF THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH LARGE SCALE PROJECTS, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO DEFINE A SUPERMAJORITY THRESHOLD FOR OR A GUARDRAIL OF SOME SORT TO CONTROL WHEN THE SUPERMAJORITY WOULD BE REQUIRED, AS OPPOSED TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY, COULD BE ALL DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES.

IT COULD BE JUST VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES.

I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU ALL TO FIGURE THAT OUT. SO THERE'S, AS I SEE, THERE'S THERE'S REALLY ABOUT THREE, MAYBE FOUR DECISIONS THAT I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD DELIBERATE ON QUICKLY BEFORE WE FINALIZE THE CHARTER PROCESS AND HOPEFULLY GET IT TAKEN ON TO THE VOTERS. FIRST OFF, THE TWO QUESTIONS I MENTIONED COUNCIL APPOINTING THE LAW DIRECTOR AND COUNCIL APPOINTING THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS WHETHER TO ADOPT A SUPER A SUPER MAJORITY FOR LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES OR ALL DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES OR NOT AT ALL. THERE IS ALSO MOST OF THE CHARTER.

HAD THE GENDERING DONE, THERE WAS STILL A FEW MORE PRONOUNS THAT NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED.

THERE'S A TERM CALLED THAT IS IN A COUPLE PLACES THAT SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF, WHICH SEEMS TO BE AN ARCHAIC WORDING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO STRIKE FROM THE CHARTER. IT WAS ONE PLACE I FOUND WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS THE REPLACEMENT OF A COUNCIL MEMBER WAS SAID TO HAPPEN WITHIN 60 DAYS, BUT IT DIDN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENS IF NOT IN THE OLD FORM.

IF A COUNCIL MEMBER LEFT AND WAS TO BE REPLACED AND COUNCIL DIDN'T ACT IN 60 DAYS, THE MAYOR WOULD APPOINT.

SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW DO WE FINISH UP AND CLEAN UP THAT THAT LITTLE PIECE.

INTERESTINGLY TOO, THERE WAS AN ADDITION SLIPPED IN, I THINK, THANKS TO OUR LAW DIRECTOR, THAT ALL MEETINGS OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE HELD IN PERSON EXCEPT IF IT BECOMES LEGAL TO HOLD THEM REMOTELY.

I KIND OF LIKE THAT ONE TOO. SO WHAT ARE THE I TOUCHED SOMETHING.

SO THE NEXT STEPS TO FINISHING THE CHARTER AND GETTING IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT WOULD BE FIRST OFF, FINALIZE THE TEXT CHANGES. TAMMY, CAN YOU TURN.

THANK YOU. SO ONE LAST READ FOR EVERYBODY. ONE LAST LOOK AT THESE FOUR HIGHLIGHTS THAT I'VE BROUGHT TO YOU AND LET'S GET THEM RESOLVED. COME TO A DECISION AMONGST YOURSELF ON ON HOW THOSE SHOULD PROCEED.

THEN WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO A COUNCIL ORDINANCE OR A CITIZEN'S PETITION.

SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. NOW, THIS HAS BEEN IN COUNCIL'S HANDS SINCE DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR, WHEN THE SEVEN COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTED SEVEN TO NOTHING TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AND PUT IT ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER.

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IT WILL NEED TO BE APPROVED NO LATER THAN THE SECOND MEETING OF AUGUST, AND IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

AND THAT IS TIME TO GET IT ON THE ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER.

IF WE MISS THAT OR IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO MOVE ON THIS PROJECT, THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE SPRING OF OF 27 FOR A CITIZENS INITIATIVE TO GATHER SIGNATURES AND PUT ITS OWN INTERPRETATION OF THESE CHARTER CHANGES ON THE BALLOT FOR THE VOTERS.

IF WE DO GET IT QUEUED UP FOR NOVEMBER, THEN WE THEN COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY, I BELIEVE, TO EDUCATE THE VOTERS TO PUT OUT A VERY CLEAR, SIMPLE I MEAN, THIS IS NOT A REAL ATTRACTIVE TOPIC.

IT'S HARD TO GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION ON SOMETHING LIKE A CHARTER, BUT WE NEED TO PUT OUT SOME VERY CLEAR INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THIS IS, HOW IT WILL BUILD OUR COLLABORATIVE, HOW IT WILL BUILD OUR TRANSPARENCY, HOW IT WILL ENSURE YOU KNOW, A LARGE CONSENSUS BUILDING AMONGST COUNCIL WHEN WE WORK ON OUR VERY BIGGEST PROJECT LIKE THE ONE WE SAW EARLIER TODAY.

SO WE WILL NEED TO AUTHORIZE SOME FUNDING AND GET EDUCATION DONE.

AND THEN THE, THE VOTERS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IS THE VOTERS HAVING THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISION TO DO THIS OR NOT.

IT'S YOUR JOB. IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT.

BUT IT WILL BE THE VOTERS RIGHT TO DECIDE THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS.

AND THEN IT WOULD TAKE EFFECT FIRST OF 2028 WITH THE REORGANIZATION OF COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER CHARTER COMMITTEE MEMBERS HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING OR.

COME ON. CHRIS ROACH, 3980 BROADWAY. I DIDN'T COME PREPARED TO SPEAK, BUT I WILL SPEAK. DAVID HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS.

HE'S VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. I DON'T AGREE WITH HIM, BUT.

BUT HE HAS WORKED VERY HARD. I THINK HE MINIMIZES.

THE FACT THAT THERE WAS COMPROMISE AVAILABLE ON A HYBRID SOLUTION.

SEVEN OF THE NINE WERE WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON THAT.

AND AS OPPOSED TO A CHARTER AMENDMENT, I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH COUNCIL AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CHARTER CHANGE PROBABLY ALSO MINIMIZES HOW MUCH WORK IT'S GOING TO BE FOR COUNCIL.

CURRENTLY, I CAN CHUCK BOTH SPEND IN EXCESS OF 4050 HOURS A WEEK ON CITY BUSINESS.

THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR JOB. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, I BELIEVE, AND IT DOES TAKE AWAY THE CHECKS AND BALANCES SOME OF US FELT OF HAVING A MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND THE VETO POWER AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

ULTIMATELY, EVERY DECISION IN THE CITY COUNCIL GETS THE FINAL SAY.

AND I DON'T SEE CITY HAS GROWN NICELY. I THINK WE'RE ALL PROUD OF GROVE CITY AND SOME OF US DIDN'T SEE ANY REASON TO CHANGE IT.

THANKS. AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. DID YOU SAY ADDRESS? WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY? ADDRESS? YES. NAME AND ADDRESS. KATHLEEN WELSH.

AND 2376 MILLIGAN GROVE. SORRY. I THOUGHT THE POINT OF THE PRESENTATION WAS FOR THE CHAIR TO REPORT ON THE FINDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE, AND HE DID FOR IT TO NOT BE PERSONAL.

SO I'M JUST I DON'T THINK IS THAT NOTHING'S PERSONAL.

I THINK IT'S PERSONAL. SORRY. GO AHEAD. PLEASE.

YEAH, YEAH. GO AHEAD. PLEASE. JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T CUT INTO YOUR TIME.

WE HAD REQUESTED AFTER THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE CAME TO COUNCIL AT OUR LAST MEETING.

YOU'RE A NEW BUSINESS. FOR HIM TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING. OKAY. SO.

MR. FRY HAS SUBMITTED THIS PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL OR SORRY, TO OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND OUR CLERK.

AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT CONTAINED PERSONAL INFORMATION OR PERSONAL OPINION, PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY IT IS NOT BEING PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC TONIGHT.

GOTCHA. NO NO NO NO, IT IS BEING PRESENTED. HE JUST SAID IT.

WE WERE TOLD THAT HE WAS COMING TO REPORT. MY WIFE DOESN'T WORK.

I TRIED. WE WERE TOLD THAT. THERE YOU GO.

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RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE ALLOWING. NO NO NO NO. THESE ARE MEMBERS OF THE THESE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE THAT WERE HERE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK.

UNDERSTOOD. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THIS MORNING WE HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE WASN'T A PRESENTATION. THEN WE WERE TOLD THERE IS A PRESENTATION. NOW HE COULD DROP IT OFF AT THE DAIS FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW ON THEIR OWN TIME.

BUT HIS ROLE AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE WAS TO EXPLAIN THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE TASK FORCE.

THAT WAS IT. AND FOR IT TO NOT BE PERSONAL. AND I KNOW EVERYONE ON COUNCIL SAW THOSE EMAILS TODAY.

I'M HOPING. RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF HIS JOB WAS TO REMAIN UNBIASED AND TO SPEAK AS THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE.

WHY ARE WE HEARING FROM ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

WHO WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE FROM THE ADDITIONAL MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? THAT'S A PREROGATIVE OF THE CHAIR. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

IT IS MY PREROGATIVE, BUT I'LL ALLOW ANYBODY.

I'M NOT AFRAID TO HAVE ANYBODY SPEAK HERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH THEM SPEAKING.

I JUST WANT US TO BE CONSISTENT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WHAT WE RECEIVED TODAY VIA EMAIL.

THE COMMUNICATION WAS CLEARLY DIFFERENT. SO I JUST I, ALL I ASK FOR IS CONSISTENCY.

OKAY. PREROGATIVE OF THE CHAIR. ALL I WANTED TO I WAS GOING TO SAY ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS I, WE WORKED ON THE COMMITTEE AND I HAVE ACTUALLY NOT HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS SINCE JANUARY 11TH OF 2025.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN AMENDED TO THIS RECOMMENDATION I HAVE NOT HAD EYES ON SINCE.

SO YOU DIDN'T SEE TONIGHT'S REPORT? I DID NOT. OKAY. SO SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK UP AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.

AND IF IT REALLY DOES REFLECT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AS A COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF AND I, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. JUST BECAUSE I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

THAT WAS WHAT WE SIGNED OFF ON BACK IN JANUARY OF 2025.

OKAY. SO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE IF MR. FREE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? JUST A COMMENT BECAUSE I FORGOT TO MENTION IT.

BOTH OF THE COMMENTS WERE ABOUT THE HYBRID MODEL WHERE YOU STILL HAVE A STRONG MAYOR WHO APPOINTS THE LAW DIRECTOR, THE PARKS AND OR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY MANAGER.

THERE'S A FATAL FLAW WITH THAT, THOUGH, AND THAT IS THAT THE IF THE STRONG MAYOR IS SURFACING AND PROPOSING WHO COULD BE SAY, CITY MANAGER AND ONLY ASKING FOR THE CONSENT FROM COUNCIL, THEN IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE VERY BEST CANDIDATE IS NEVER BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE MAYOR'S DESIRE.

SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH THE HYBRID MODEL.

AND THERE IS RIGHT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THAT WERE WOULD ACCEPT THE HYBRID MODEL, BUT IT WASN'T A VOTE. THERE WAS ONE MEMBER THAT VOTED FOR THE HYBRID MODEL.

AND THEN IT WAS 5 TO 3 FOR COUNCIL MANAGER AND STAY THE SAME.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. THOSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WERE SEVEN OUT OF NINE MEMBERS OR SOMETHING THAT WERE SUPPORTIVE OF HYBRID, BUT THAT IS THAT IS NOT CORRECT. IT WAS FIVE MEMBERS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, COUNCIL FORM OF GOVERNMENT, ONE MEMBER FOR THE HYBRID AND THREE FOR THE STRONG MAYOR.

THERE'S A FURTHER PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THAT VOTED FOR EITHER.

YES. COULD ACCEPT A HYBRID. THANK YOU. AND THAT WAS FOR YES FOR COULD ACCEPT THE HYBRID.

JODI, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. FREE OR JUST IN GENERAL OR.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. WE DO HAVE THE FOR ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE AND FOR MR. FREE, WE DO HAVE YOUR REPORT. AND THANK YOU FOR MR. ANDERSON AND MR. FREE FOR VERIFYING THOSE VOTES OR RECOMMENDATIONS.

MY QUESTION IS YOU HAD IN YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL WHEN WE WALKED THROUGH THE, THROUGH, THROUGH THE CHARTER LAST YEAR AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS, THE LAW DIRECTOR AND THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, WE DID NOT CHANGE THAT IN OUR RED LINE OF THE CHARTER.

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THE OBVIOUS POPPED UP THAT WHY WOULDN'T YOU PUT THOSE UNDER THE COUNCIL PURVIEW? THOSE TWO POSITIONS. WOULD YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A CITY MANAGER BRING TO YOU ONLY THE LAW DIRECTORS AND ONLY THE FINANCE DIRECTORS THAT THE CITY MANAGER APPROVED FOR YOUR CONSENT. AND IT JUST IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.

THOSE POSITIONS SEEM IMPORTANT ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE WORTH THE COUNCIL'S TIME TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT PERSON AND TO REMOVE THAT PERSON.

BUT DID YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT IN YOUR COMMITTEE? YES, IT WAS DISCUSSED. AND WE THE OUR FEELING WAS WE'D LIKE COUNCIL TO DEBATE THAT AGAIN AND DECIDE IF IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE FINAL CHANGES.

THE COMMITTEE IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DO THAT. WE'RE JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I AM NOT SPEAKING OF THE ORIGINAL CHARTER COMMITTEE.

I'M SPEAKING ABOUT A GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZENS WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET THIS MOVING AGAIN.

THANK YOU. MAYOR. YES. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.

A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID ON MARCH 30TH, 2025 IN THIS WHOLE EXERCISE OF INTERVIEWING ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR CITY MANAGER JOB, THEY MADE UP A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FOR THE HERED PRESIDENT CITY COUNCIL. AND AS I SAID IN MARCH NOBODY ASKED.

AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN SAID WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, BUT NOBODY ASKED FOR COMMENTS FROM OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.

WE INTERVIEWED SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE CITY AND NOBODY REALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT OUR CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.

SO THAT'S A POINT. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE. IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED BY MR. FREY THAT UNDER THE SUGGESTED CHARTER THAT THE PERSON BE QUALIFIED TO BE A CITY MANAGER UNDER OUR CURRENT CHARTER.

UNDER OUR CURRENT CHARTER CHARTER, HE SHALL BE CHOSEN ON THE BASIS OF HIS EXECUTIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE QUALIFICATIONS.

SO THOSE WORDS ARE ALREADY EMBEDDED IN OUR CURRENT CHARTER.

THE THIRD THING IS WANTING TO GET THIS ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

WE ARE GOING TO BE COMPETING WITH A. NEW HIGH SCHOOL BOND ISSUE THAT THE SCHOOLS ARE ALREADY WILL APPROVE.

SUPPOSEDLY THIS THURSDAY NIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE COMPETING, AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, WITH THE 17 PAGE MAJOR MODIFICATION TO OUR EXISTING CHARTER. OUR EXISTING CHARTER IS 16 PAGES.

AND THAT MODIFICATION IS MORE EQUAL TO OUR EXISTING CHARTER.

THE FOURTH POINT IS THAT THE MODIFICATIONS THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED BY THIS PARTICULAR PERSON IT DOES NOT WILL ALSO EMBED IN OUR CHARTER. MORE CHANGES THAT WILL BE CONFUSING WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON.

I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO QUESTION BECAUSE THE ANTI DATA CENTER MORATORIUM ISSUE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT 17 PAGES. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO LAY ON TOP OF IT AN ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS TO OUR EXISTING CHARTER. BY THE WAY IT'S ALMOST LASTED 70 YEARS.

THE LAST THE VERY LAST POINT IS THIS. IT'S A IT'S A MISNOMER TO THINK THAT THE APPOINTED MAYOR FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND NOTHING, NOTHING TO BE GREAT.

IT IS CEREMONIAL. THERE IS NO SUCH A THING. EITHER YOU'RE A MAYOR OR YOU'RE NOT A MAYOR.

I'M A MEMBER OF THE HIGH MAYORS ALLIANCE AND I.

MAYORS. ASSOCIATION. THERE ARE ROLES THAT THEY ASK AND WANT AN ELECTED MAYOR. AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME PERSONALLY.

THIS IS JUST IN THE IN THE ADMINISTERING OF GOOD CITY GOVERNMENT.

AN ELECTED MAYOR HAS FAR MORE DUTIES THAN THIS THING ABOUT BEING CEREMONIAL.

THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A MISNOMER. THANK YOU. NO DISRESPECT, MAYOR, BUT DOESN'T DUBLIN DO THE SAME THING AS THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED? THE DUBLIN SCENARIO IS ABOUT LIKE NEW ALBANY AND THAT IS THEY'VE GROWN UP WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IN THE CASE OF DUBLIN, THE APPOINTED PERSON FROM THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN IN OFFICE EXCEPT FOR TWO YEARS, I THINK FOR 7 OR 8 YEARS. AND SO THEY HAVE CONTINUITY.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES, BELIEVE ME.

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THE CURRENT MAYOR HAS BEEN IN THAT POSITION, I THINK AT LEAST SIX YEARS.

BUT THAT ISN'T THE NORM. MAY I? SO FIRST, DAVID, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD.

HAVE A SEAT. UNLESS I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK THIS IS MORE JUST I'M READY FOR SOME CONVERSATION.

BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING FORWARD. I DO WISH OTHERS COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THIS TONIGHT.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND SOME CONFLICT WITH IF THIS WASN'T EXACTLY THE REPORT AND THIS WAS THE REPORT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.

SO THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE FROM BACK IN 2025.

THIS WAS YOU KNOW, I SEE THIS THAT DAVID FREE PRESENTED AS THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE THAT I IMAGINE WENT BEHIND THE REPORT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER, I THINK, EVEN AS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IN 24 AND 2025, I DID NOT ATTEND ALL OF THE WORK SESSIONS OR THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE HAD.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS LOTS OF CONVERSATION.

WHAT IS A CITY MANAGER? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS A STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT? SO I THINK THIS PRESENTATION, JUST TO KIND OF TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT IS, IS SEEMING LIKE A MYSTERY.

THIS PRESENTATION WAS VERY INFORMATIVE OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORTH THE SOME DIFFERENT PIECES THAT BECAUSE AS AND I THINK YOU HAD SAID, STATED THIS COUNCIL IN MAJORITY OF OUR MEETINGS IN 2025, CONTINUED TO REVIEW AND WORK THROUGH THE, THE CHARTER AND REDLINED. PAGE AFTER PAGE, WE SAT HERE, WE WOULD SIT HERE FOR AN HOUR AND JUST READ A SECTION AND JUST CONTINUE TO REDLINE. SO WE HAVE SPENT HOURS ON THIS DOCUMENT AND I THINK YOU KNOW, MR. FREE, WHAT YOU BROUGHT FORTH WAS THINGS THAT WE CERTAINLY HAD MAYBE KIND OF TOUCHED ON, BUT FULLY DIDN'T MEMORIALIZE.

SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE LAW DIRECTOR, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

THE DEVELOPMENT PIECE I THINK IS CERTAINLY INTERESTING, THE SUPERMAJORITY.

BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT YOU CERTAINLY FRAMED IT THAT IN A CITY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, THERE'S NO VETO OPTION. SO I CAN SEE HOW AND I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, AS WE LOOKED AT OTHER CHARTERS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, WESTERVILLE, DUBLIN, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DID, I'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT THAT PIECE THERE.

ANOTHER ONE WAS TERM LIMITS. AND I KNOW MR. FREY, I DON'T THINK YOU MENTIONED TERM LIMITS, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID DEBATE IN A FEW MEETINGS, TERM LIMITS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.

SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING FORTH THAT TOPIC.

BUT AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO KIND OF PAUSE FOR A SECOND THAT THIS IS NOT A SOMETHING IS WRONG OR WHAT PROBLEM ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? OR IF IT'S NOT BROKE, WHY FIX IT? THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A TIME IN OUR HISTORY TO RELOOK AT THE CHARTER.

AND AND WITH RESPECT, MAYOR, I KNOW YOU SAID IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN REVIEWED IN IN 70 YEARS, BUT IT HAS BEEN IN 2017, THERE WAS A TASK FORCE THAT WAS PUT FORTH.

AND AT THAT POINT IT WAS DETERMINED BASED ON OUR OUR GROWTH AND THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE WOULD DO A CHARTER REVIEW THEN, AND CHARTER AMENDMENTS WERE BROUGHT TO THE BALLOT AT THAT POINT, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING POINT IF WE COULD BRING THAT BALLOT BACK UP AND UNDERSTAND HOW MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS WE WERE VOTING ON, BECAUSE I DO REMEMBER AS A VOTER, THERE WAS MULTIPLE DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT.

THAT IS WHAT EXPANDED OUR COUNCIL FROM FIVE MEMBERS TO SEVEN.

AND SO NOW WE STARTED IN 2024 AS SEVEN MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I THINK, AND AGAIN, FROM THE RETREAT THAT COUNCIL HAD AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, OR EXCUSE ME, AT THE BEGINNING OF 2024, TWO PIECES CAME OUT OF IT, COMMUNITY CENTER AND FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

SO THIS HAS BEEN AN EVOLUTION OF A THOUGHT PROCESS OF AGAIN, NOT WHAT'S BROKE OR NOT.

WHAT IS WHAT IS WRONG. IT IS WHAT DO WE WANT THE FUTURE TO BE FOR THE NEXT 25 TO 50 YEARS? AND HOW DO WE BELIEVE WE AS COUNCIL CAN BE SETTING THIS CITY UP FOR THAT BEST FUTURE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW BEYOND 4000 MEMBERS? AND I THINK AND LAST, I'LL STATE THIS TOO. THIS ISN'T WHAT I THINK COUNCIL TRULY BELIEVES OUR OUR MISSION AND WHAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS THROUGH 2024 AND 2025 WAS TRULY JUST TO UPDATE A DOCUMENT AND PUT IT BACK IN FRONT OF THE CITIZENS.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT NOW IS BRINGING THIS FORTH TO THE CITIZENS AND LETTING THEM DECIDE VERSUS YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE BELIEVE OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS MIGHT BELIEVE IS, IS RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO. THANK YOU, MISS ANDERSON.

I THINK THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID. I KNOW THAT WE DID A LOT OF WORK OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

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IT'S NOT ABOUT US AGREEING UP HERE. WE MAY OUR DECISION WILL BE WHEN WE VOTE AT THE BALLOT BOX IF WE PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT IT'S AS MR.. MR.. SHRUM, YOU SAID THE Y, RIGHT? THE Y YOUR Y IS MADE WHEN YOU VOTE. I'M SURE THAT ALL OF US UP HERE DO NOT AGREE ON MAYBE WE WANT TO CHANGE THIS OR NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT UP TO US. IT'S UP TO THE PEOPLE.

NO, THERE HAS TO BE AN ORDINANCE COMING OUT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

CORRECT. TO BRING IT TO THE PEOPLE FOR THE FOR THEM TO VOTE IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT PASSING A RESOLUTION TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

WE'RE PASSING A RESOLUTION TO SEND IT TO THE PEOPLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

I THINK THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT.

IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEN THE CITIZENS CAN DO IT.

THAT'S THE OTHER OPTION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE TASK FORCE AND ALSO TONIGHT IN MR. FREEZE PRESENTATION. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP THAT WE ALL THE MAJORITY, WELL, NOT THE MAJORITY.

MR. HOLT, MR. BERRY, MISS ANDERSON AND MYSELF, THAT'S FOUR OF US.

THERE'S THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT FOUR OUT OF THE SEVEN SITTING UP HERE VOTED IN DECEMBER TO CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AND BRING IT TO THE ELECTORATE.

SO, I MEAN, I'M ON RECORD OF MY VOTE, SO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT MY WHY? YEAH, I'M GOING TO ASK WHY. YOU KNOW, LIKE I ALWAYS DO. AND MY QUESTION HAS BEEN, AND I YET TO HAVE AN ANSWER IS WHAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER? IT SEEMS LIKE IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DEFINED WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.

AND I WENT BACK AND I'VE READ ALL THE TRANSCRIPTS OF ALL THE CONVERSATIONS.

GREAT READING. AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SIMPLY GOING TO A CITY MANAGER WAS NOT, IS NOT A SOLUTION BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN ALL KINDS OF DEBATES ABOUT WHO APPOINTS WHO AND WHO, WHERE, WHERE DO THINGS COME FROM AND WHO MAKES THE FINAL DECISIONS.

SO SIMPLY UPENDING THE GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE ITSELF, FROM THE MAYOR TO A CITY TO A CITY MANAGER IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT WELL, DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING THAT HAS YET TO BE DEFINED.

SO I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ASK THE QUESTION IS WHAT PROBLEM? WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO.

THAT WAS THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS ASKED TO SOLVE BECAUSE I STILL HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT THAT ANSWER.

THERE'S THE THERE'S THE REPORT FROM LAST JANUARY WHICH I AGREE WITH, MR. OMAR. THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING YOU TO SPEAK TO.

AND THEN THIS TODAY, WHICH HAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM A GROUP OF OTHER FOLKS YET I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY WERE.

AND IT STARTS WITH HERE WE, HERE'S HOW WE ARE STRUCTURED TODAY.

AND THEN IT GOES TO, OKAY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE CURRENT MAYOR STRUCTURE IN AN ORG CHART.

AND HERE'S A CITY MANAGER. ORG CHART. AND THEN WHAT IS A COUNCIL MANAGER GOVERNMENT.

BUT THERE'S, THERE'S AN ENTIRE PAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHY WE SHOULD NEED TO CHANGE THAT AS I AGAIN, I DID, I WENT THROUGH ALL THE ALL THE TRANSCRIPTS FROM LAST YEAR, AND I FOUND FOUR BASIC THEMES, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, OF COUNCIL HAVING INPUT ON THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR SELECTION, INPUT AND OR APPROVAL, COUNCIL INPUT AND OR APPROVAL ON BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS COUNCIL APPROVAL OVER CERTAIN FUND TRANSFERS.

I THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AROUND BROOK PARK, I FORGET. AND, AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE, ACTUALLY, MAYBE THE MOST GENERIC ONE IS JUST A GENERAL CLEANUP AND MODERNIZATION OF THE LANGUAGE ITSELF.

THAT ONE, I THINK THAT'S AN OBVIOUS ONE, RIGHT? BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS.

AND AGAIN, IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE ALL THE CONVERSATIONS AFTER THE FACT WERE TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAD COME UP WITH, WHICH WAS TO GO TO A CITY MANAGER. YOU WERE TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT AFTER AFTER THE FACT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN ANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A NEED TO DO THE THE DRASTIC CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME, SOME, SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER, GREAT.

LET'S DO SOME TARGETED AMENDMENTS TO SAY CITY COUNCIL HAS AN INPUT AND OR APPROVAL ON THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR.

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THOSE ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE CHARTER. AND I NOT, NOT TO MENTION THE SOMEBODY, I FORGET WHO SAID IT, THE LOSS OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A FUNDAMENTAL.

BASIS OF, OF OUR FORM OF OF REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE YOU'RE LOSING THE MAYOR AND THE VETO AND THE BALANCE OF POWER AS WELL.

SO I AGREE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD BE UPDATED, BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BASED ON WHAT I'M, WHAT I WHAT WHAT I'VE SEEN, I THINK ON THE ON THE POINT OF ORDINANCES.

RIGHT. WHERE YOU HAD MENTIONED, DO WE WRITE ORDINANCES THAT CHANGE HOW MAYBE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE PUT TOGETHER? THAT WAS A DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR SURE LAST YEAR.

OH NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT VIA ORDINANCE. I'M TALKING ABOUT DOING CHARTER CHANGES.

CHARTER. SO THE COUNCIL HAS THAT VOICE. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.

WHAT THIS ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE IS CITY COUNCIL IS IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING.

I DON'T LIKE THAT. AND I'M ON COUNCIL RIGHT NOW.

I THINK. GO AHEAD. I'M THINKING SINCE WE HAVE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A TIME WHERE WE JUST GO RIGHT BACK THROUGH THE CHARTER AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG. WE'VE ALREADY GOT SOME OF IT REDLINED OUT AND EVERYTHING AND JUST FIND OUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT.

THE FIRST. THE FIRST AND FOREMOST IS WHERE DOES THE MAJORITY FEEL WE SHOULD BE ON ON FORM OF GOVERNMENT? AND MAYBE WE GO WE WE GO ABOUT THAT BACKWARDS, LIKE YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IS LOOK AT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, WHAT THIS COUNCIL NOT THE 1 IN 2025, WHAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED.

AND THEN AND THEN SEE IF WHAT ARE THE PAIN POINTS? WHAT ARE THE PAIN POINTS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? WELL, I AGAIN, I KIND OF STATED EARLIER, I THINK IT'S.

A DISSERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY TO THINK THAT WE CAN ONLY CHANGE A FORM OF GOVERNMENT OR CHANGE A STRUCTURE OR AN OPERATIONAL WAY.

WE FUNCTION BASED ON CRISIS OR PAIN POINTS. WE CERTAINLY LEARNED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TASK FORCE.

AND EVEN WHEN WE HAD A FACILITATOR COME INTO A COUNCIL WORK SESSION BEFORE WE EVEN HAD A TASK FORCE TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT WHAT OUR DIFFERENT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT. SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE CERTAINLY HAD TO CHANGE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE OF CRISIS THAT HAS HAPPENED.

BUT NOT ALL HAVE SOME JUST LOOK AT IT AS AN EVOLUTION AND HOW THEY BELIEVE.

YOU KNOW, A CITY CAN BE BEST SET UP TO OPERATE AS YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE GROWTH.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ALSO WANT TO SAY, WHEN WAS IT 2017, 2018, WHATEVER THAT YEAR WAS THAT OUR CHARTER CHANGED.

WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM THEN THAT DECIDED TO GROW THE COUNCIL FROM 5 TO 7 MEMBERS? I DON'T THINK IT WAS DONE BASED ON A PROBLEM.

I THINK IT WAS DONE BASED ON AN EVOLUTION AND THE NEEDS FOR OUR CITIES.

WELL, MAYBE PROBLEMS IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT WHAT ABOUT WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION? WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION? LIKE WE JUST WE JUST SAID IN TALKING HERE TONIGHT THAT CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO A CITY MANAGER ACTUALLY DOES NOT ADDRESS ABOUT 4 OR 5 DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU JUST YOU JUST BROUGHT UP TERM LIMITS. YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THE SUPERMAJORITY.

THE, YOU BROUGHT UP THE THE LAW DIRECTOR, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

CHANGING TO A CHANGE OF THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT DOESN'T CORRECT OR READDRESS OR REDIRECT OR WHATEVER.

WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE, IT DOESN'T FIX ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT APPARENTLY ARE OF CONCERN.

I WON'T CALL THEM PROBLEMS. OPPORTUNITIES. RIGHT.

SO WHY DON'T WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS.

AND IF THEY CAN SIMPLY BE DONE BY AN AMENDMENT TO THE CHARTER TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TERM LIMITS FROM NOW ON. WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE TO A CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT. GOING TO A CITY MANAGER DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING.

IT'S THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS, AS THEY SAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S WE'LL SCHEDULE. WE'VE GOT THE OTHER MEETING SCHEDULED.

ARE WE DONE? I STILL HAVE MORE COMMENTS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. OMAR HAS SPOKEN OR IF ANYONE ELSE HAS. SO I'M KIND OF IN THE PROCESS OF CATCHING UP.

EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT EXACTLY COUNCIL VOTED IN FAVOR OF.

I BELIEVE AT THE END OF 2025, WHERE IT WAS 7 TO 0.

THANK YOU. MIND IF I DO? I HAVE THE ORDINANCE HERE.

AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY WANTED TO SPEAK ON. SO.

SO THERE WERE FOUR SECTIONS IN IT. THIS IS RESOLUTION KR 5725.

I WILL JUST READ THE SECTIONS VERSUS ALL THE WHEREAS STUFF, BUT IT WAS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ARE IN SUPPORT OF CONTINUING THIS WORK THROUGH A COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROCESS IN THE EARLY PART OF 2026, SECTION TWO, THE ATTACHED WORKING DRAFT OF THE CHARTER SHOULD SERVE AS A FRAMEWORK FOR

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THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS FOR BOTH THE LAW DIRECTOR AND FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND THE USE OF A NOMINATING COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS FOR CANDIDACY.

SECTION THREE. THE FINAL PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENTS SHOULD BE READY FOR AN ORDINANCE.

IN ANTICIPATION OF TAKING THIS QUESTION TO THE ELECTORATE IN NOVEMBER OF 2026.

AND THEN SECTION FOUR IS THAT THIS TAKES EFFECT AT THE EARLIEST OPPORTUNITY ALLOWED BY LAW, SINCE THIS WAS A RESOLUTION. SO WE HAD CERTAINLY DISCUSSED AND AGREED.

AND IT WAS IT WAS 7:07 ZERO. THEN, UNDERSTANDABLY, WE HAVE THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

BUT AS MISS BURROWS SPOKE AND TO KIND OF REITERATE THAT THERE ARE FOUR OF US HERE THAT DID VOTE TO SAY THAT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT SHOULD BE READY FOR AN ORDINANCE.

TAKING THIS QUESTION TO THE ELECTORATE IN NOVEMBER OF 2026, WHICH INCLUDES OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

YES. WELL, MY QUESTION THE SECOND ITEM YOU SAID, THOUGH, IS THAT AS A DRAFT OR AS A FRAMEWORK, IT WASN'T SET IN STONE. IT WASN'T TO TAKE THIS VERSION.

NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I GUESS A COMMITMENT TO CONTINUE THE WORK, WHICH THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE DOING.

YEAH. BUT IT'S ALSO JUNE. I MEAN, AT WHAT POINT WAS THIS? WE'VE HAD A COMMUNITY CENTER AND WE PRIORITIZE THOSE.

GO AHEAD. I GUESS REGARDLESS OF ALL THE OTHERS.

YOU COULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP AT ANY TIME, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, AS SOMEBODY WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE WORK, I WOULD HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED IF OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT CONTINUED THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK MY FRUSTRATION IS LIKE, I'M JUST TIRED OF KIND OF PLAYING CATCH UP, YOU KNOW? THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WE KIND OF JUMPED RIGHT IN AND LOCATIONS WERE BEING TALKED ABOUT.

FORMER GOVERNMENT, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING BOMBARDED ALMOST.

IT FEELS LIKE WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION YOU KNOW, AND I DO WANT THE TORCH TO CONTINUE TO BE PASSED ON.

I WANT THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DID NOT TO GO TO WASTE AND FOR US TO CONTINUE THAT WORK, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE OUTCOME MIGHT BE.

I JUST, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER WAS CONSISTENCY.

AND I THINK WE'RE LACKING THAT HEAVILY WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WORK. AND IF THERE IS A COMMITMENT TO GETTING THE WORK DONE, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS WORK, WHICH ULTIMATELY SHOULD HAVE STARTED JANUARY.

OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP COMMENT FROM ALAN.

YOU'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM OR WHY WE GOT INTO THIS IS IT GOES BACK TO THE RETREAT.

WE HAD THE COUNCIL RETREAT BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF 2024 WHEN WE SPENT A WHOLE MORNING WITH A PRESENTATION OR EDUCATION ON FORM OF GOVERNMENT, DIFFERENT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT.

AND THE TWO THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WERE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR RETREAT WAS FORM OF GOVERNMENT TO REVIEW THAT AND THEN FOLLOWED BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED A TASK FORCE OF RESIDENTS, AND WE GOT TO PICK SOMEBODY, INCLUDING THE MAYOR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT REPORT WAS.

AND SO WHEN THE REPORT CAME BACK, THAT'S WHAT THE REPORT SAID.

SO WE CONTINUED THE WORK AND THE WORK OF THE COUNCIL.

AGAIN, THIS RESOLUTION CR 5725 WAS TO CONTINUE THE WORK, AND WE ALL VOTED THE PAST COUNCIL VOTED FOR THAT. I'M. AGAIN, I'M NOT THROWING THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THERE, BUT WE VOTED TO DO THE WORK AND BRING IT TO THE ELECTORATE ON PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, BECAUSE WE DID THE WORK AND WE HAD THE FORCE, THE TASK FORCE, DO THE WORK AND REPORT BACK TO US.

THAT'S WHAT THE THE RESIDENTS AND THAT TASK FORCE RESEARCHED AND BROUGHT BACK TO US.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT UP WHAT WE WANT OR WHAT WE THINK WORKS BEST.

IT'S TO THE PEOPLE, OUR RESIDENTS, AS WE GROW AS A COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER 40,000 PEOPLE GO TO 45000 PEOPLE.

WE'RE HAVE GROWTH PAINS RIGHT NOW. WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THIS NEW WORLD WE LIVE IN, AND A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME THING.

AND THIS IS A MECHANISM THAT THEIR COMMUNITY DECIDED.

SO WE DECIDED TO LOOK INTO IT AND BRING IT TO THE PEOPLE.

AND SO WE'RE JUST HOPING TO CONTINUE THAT WORK AGAIN, IF WE GET IT ON THE BALLOT AND OUR RESIDENTS SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. THEN GREAT. THEN WE JUST CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S. BUT THAT'S THEIR DECISION.

AND WE ALL GET A VOTE ON THAT AT THE BALLOT BOX.

BUT BUT THE THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE.

IT'S THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED UNDERNEATH THAT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TONIGHT ARE THE THINGS THAT THERE'S A FEELING THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.

CHANGING THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT FIX THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, DENYING THEY THEY DO. I WENT OKAY, I WENT TO A COUPLE OF THE WORK SESSIONS DOWNSTAIRS, AND I WAS AT VIRTUALLY EVERY ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS WHEN WE WENT

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A NUMBER OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME THAT ARE IN THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP AT ONE OF THE WORK SESSIONS LAST NIGHT OR LAST YEAR THAT I WENT TO QUESTION AROSE. WELL YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE WORKING OKAY IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.

WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT METHOD OF GOVERNING A DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL SETUP? AND THE QUESTION I GOT, WELL, YEAH, IT'S WORKING GREAT.

THE ANSWER WAS IT'S WORKING GREAT NOW. BUT IF WHAT DO WE GET A SCOUNDREL FOR MAYOR? AND THAT TO ME WAS NOT A GOOD ANSWER TO GO THROUGH THIS, THIS THING, BECAUSE IT COULD THAT SAME EXCUSE CAN BE USED, WHETHER IT'S CITY COUNCIL OR CITY MANAGER OR WHATEVER.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS.

AND THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS IN THE CHARTER THAT I FEEL NEED TO BE CHANGED ALSO.

AND WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A FINAL DRAFT. AND THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO VOTE ON THAT.

AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE PEOPLE. SO I MEAN THAT'S MY $0.02 ON IT.

I HAVEN'T COMMENTED MUCH, BUT THE COUNCIL CREATED THE COMMITTEE.

THE COMMITTEE GAVE THEIR REPORT. COUNCIL CAN DECIDE NOT TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION OR MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATION OR ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION. SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO US STILL. I MEAN, WE ENLISTED A COMMITTEE OF NEUTRAL PEOPLE, SO TO SPEAK, TO COME UP WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND NOW IT'S BACK TO US TO DECIDE.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE WILL SCHEDULE A MEETING AND GO BACK THROUGH THE THE 25TH DOCUMENT AND, AND DIG INTO IT AND SEE WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT. JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE WE GOING BACK TO MAKE CHANGES? ARE WE GOING BACK TO ACCEPT OR DENY THE RECORD? I, WE THIS IS A NEW COUNCIL. SO WE'LL GO WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS.

I THINK UNLESS SOMEBODY'S GOT A DIFFERENT IDEA, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT THAT WAS ALREADY DONE AND SEE WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL THING AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. I ALMOST I UNDERSTAND THAT I ALMOST THINK WE SHOULD MORE TO MR. HOLT'S POINT IS JUST WORK TOWARDS A DECISION AND BRING FORTH A DRAFT, THE DRAFT THAT CURRENTLY WE GOT TO AND VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE READY TO TAKE THIS TO THE ELECTORATE AT THE POINT THAT IT'S AT. I THINK WE CONTINUE TO RISK, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS CHANGE EVERY TWO YEARS, WE CONTINUE TO RISK PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON TO CONTINUE TO PUSH OUT AS AS MR. OMAR BROUGHT UP, THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR YEARS. WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESOLUTION FROM OUR EARLIER PRESENTATION. AND SAME THE FORM OF GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN DISCUSSED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER TOPICS THAT CAME UP. SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE MY PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE IS LET'S, LET'S BRING FORTH SOMETHING THAT BRINGS US TO A VOTE.

SO DID THIS DRAFT EXIST PRIOR TO THAT VOTE IN IN DECEMBER? THIS DRAFT FOLLOWED THE LIKE. THIS WAS ARTICLE A OF THE RESOLUTION.

YES. SO WE HAD WORKED FOR A GOOD YEAR REDLINING EVERYTHING AND THEN SAID THIS DRAFT WE WOULD BRING FORTH.

WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS I'M OKAY WITH. VOTING ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHETHER IT PASSES OR FAILS.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WHATEVER THE OUTCOME IS TAKING STEPS FURTHER.

I MEAN, GRANTED, IF IT FAILS, THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

I JUST DON'T WANT ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THIS DOCUMENT TO GO TO WASTE OR START OVER.

ULTIMATELY, THIS RESOLUTION DID ALSO INCLUDE IT SAYS IT'S A WORKING DRAFT, AND THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT WERE THAT WERE LEFT UNRESOLVED.

SO IF WE ARE GOING TO DO AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, MR. BERRY KIND OF TALK ABOUT TERM LIMITS, LAW DIRECTOR, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

AND THEN ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK WE ACTUALLY NEED TO GO TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THIS WHETHER THERE'S A MAJORITY ON COUNCIL THAT FEELS WE SHOULD HAVE A STRONG MAYOR, COUNCIL OR A MANAGER AND FIND OUT WHAT THE VOTE IS AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES.

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THAT'LL TAKE US ONE HOUR, PROBABLY TO DO. AND LET'S FIND OUT.

AND WE COULD DO THAT. WE COULD THAT WE CAN DO.

OR WE CAN JUST DO AN ORDINANCE AND THEN VOTE ON THE ORDINANCE.

THAT'S FINE. IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY, THAT'S FINE. I DON'T CARE.

THIS IS A HISTORIC QUESTION. WHEN THERE'S A CHARTER CHANGE ON THE BALLOT, IS IT EXCEPT AS IT'S DRAFTED OR ARE THERE THE OH NO, NO, IT'S VERY BY ISSUE, BY ISSUE BY ISSUE. IT'S VERY SPECIFIC.

OKAY. AND WHEN I SAID THAT IT'S BEEN WORKING FOR 70 YEARS, THAT'S THE STRONG MAYOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

THE CHARTER, I THINK, HAS BEEN REVISED FOUR TIMES DURING THAT HISTORY.

BUT NO, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC. SO THE CHARTER COULD BE ON THERE AND YOU COULD SAY FINANCE LAW DIRECTOR CHANGE.

IT'S NOT AS A WHOLE OR GOVERNMENT SECTIONS. YEAH.

SECTIONS. YOU COULD LUMP THEM OR YOU COULD LUMP THEM.

YOU COULD LUMP THEM. YEAH. I SPOKE WITH STEPHEN ABOUT IT AS WELL TOO, AND HE COULD GIVE US THAT COUNCIL.

BUT YOU COULD CERTAINLY LUMP THINGS TOGETHER SO IT WOULDN'T BE JUST EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE, ONE VOTE. BUT IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE EVERY SINGLE CHANGE.

60 LINE ITEMS. YEAH. SO DO YOU WANT TO GUYS, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT VIA AUDIENCE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO A RESOLUTION THAT'S FIND OUT WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT. I EITHER WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LAST 2017 BALLOT, I THINK THERE WAS FIVE DIFFERENT AMENDMENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. YES. FIVE DIFFERENT CHANGES. I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE EVERYBODY TO GO BACK AND KIND OF LOOK AT THAT TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT WAS SET UP.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS DO YOU WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS ON DIFFERENT ISSUES, OR DO YOU WANT TO JUST DO ORDINANCES AND WE VOTE THEM UP OR DOWN THE FINAL DRAFT FIRST? WHAT'S THAT FINAL DRAFT? FIRST THINGS IN THE FOLLOW UP. YEAH. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING ANYHOW ABOUT THAT.

SO WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION. WE CAN. I GUESS WE CAN GO OVER THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AND WE CAN DECIDE ORDINANCES.

I WOULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING AS FAR AS.

YEAH, WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION. MR. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT NEXT AGENDA FOR JULY 6TH IS ALREADY OUT. NO, NO, IT'S NOT OUT, BUT IT'S LARGE AND YOU'VE INVITED ME TO COME BACK.

AND THAT'S TRUE. SPEAK ON JULY 6TH. WE CAN WE CAN DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING THEN.

I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE. YOU'RE ASKING OF YOURSELVES TO PONDER ON THE 6TH OF JULY SO WE CAN DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH. WE WE GOT TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THE WORK.

YEAH. SO I'M OKAY WITH ADDING IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL DO THAT. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.