[Call to Order ] [00:00:07] COUNCIL IS NOW IN SESSION. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENT PRAYER AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. FOR ALL. PLEASE READ THE ROLL. MR. OMAR. PRESIDENT ANDERSON. MARLINGA [Approval of Minutes ] GARY HERE. HOLT. STURM. BURROWS HERE. MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING. YOUR MEETINGS ARE THE LAST TWO MEETINGS. WE DID HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. MR. OMAHA. YES. ANDERSON. MARLINGA. BARRY. YES. YES. STURM. YES. BURROWS. YES. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF EVERYBODY COULD MUTE THEIR CELL PHONES. AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE AGENDA, OF COURSE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DECORUM TONIGHT SO WE CAN GET THROUGH. IT'S A LONG AGENDA. AND WITH [Welcome & Reading of Agenda] THAT WE'RE GOING TO READ THE THE ACTUAL SCHEDULE FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS STARTS WITH SAFETY ORDINANCE C 2426, RESOLUTION CR 2126 RESOLUTION KR 2226 RESOLUTION KR 23 TO 26 UNDER SERVICE ORDINANCE C 2526 RESOLUTION KR 2426 RESOLUTION KR 2526 UNDER FINANCE ORDINANCE 2626. ORDINANCE C 2726. ORDINANCE C 2826. ORDINANCE C 2926 RESOLUTION C, R 2626 UNDER ADMINISTRATION ORDINANCE C 3026 ORDINANCE C 3126. WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE INTO SAFETY. CHAIRMAN [Ordinance C-24-26 Amend Various Sections of Chapter 1145 titled Signs to implement Electronic Message Center regulations. Second reading and public hear] BURROWS. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT BARRY. THE FIRST ITEM UNDER SAFETY THIS EVENING IS ORDINANCE C 2426. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 1145 ENTITLED SIGNS TO IMPLEMENT ELECTRONIC MESSAGING CENTER REGULATIONS. MR. BOZO, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. AND THIS PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS IN THE CITY. WE LISTENED, I GUESS, TO WHAT COUNCIL WAS SAYING IN PAST MEETINGS, ESPECIALLY DURING THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING THAT OVERTURNED THE BZA VARIANCE FOR THE AMERICAN LEGION ELECTRONIC SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS. WE HEARD THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS DURING THAT MEETING THAT THE 11 STIPULATIONS WAS A CONCERN. THE NEED FOR FURTHER REVIEW OF THE CODE AND DOESN'T ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT CODE. SO FROM THOSE COMMENTS, WE RESEARCHED OTHER MUNICIPALITIES TO SEE WHAT OTHER MODEL CODES WERE OUT THERE THAT WE COULD USE TO MODEL OURS WITH. AND THE ONE THAT STOOD OUT THE MOST WAS THE CITY OF WESTERVILLE. THEY HAD A GOOD STARTING POINT, SO WE TOOK THEIR CODE, ADJUSTED IT BASED OFF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE ALREADY HAD ESTABLISHED FROM OTHER VARIANCES, PLUS WHAT WE PUT ON THE AMERICAN LEGION SIGN. AND WITH THAT, WE ADJUSTED IT TO INCORPORATE THOSE. AND IT ALSO MEETS THE SAME REQUIREMENTS, THE STIPULATIONS WE PUT ON JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE VARIANCES ON THEIR SIGNS. SO WITH THAT IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTS THAT I DID RECEIVE. ONE THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE AMERICAN LEGION SIGN, WHICH IS JUST TEN SQUARE FEET. THEN WE LOOKED BEYOND. AFTER WE HAD OUR FIRST READING AT THE JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE SIGNS, LOOKING AT THOSE SIGNS, THEY'RE 20FT■!S. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD ADJUST IT. THEN THE 20FT■!S, THOSE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, TO ME, WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ON THEM. AND THAT WOULD ALSO THEN BRING THOSE SIGNS INTO COMPLIANCE. SO ALL OF THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS THAT WE DO HAVE IN THE CITY WILL BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION. SO IT WOULD BE TO AMEND THAT SECTION 1145.2 4B1A FROM 10FT TO 20FT■!S. AND THEN ALSO, AS YU READ DOWN IN THAT SAME SECTION, THERE IS A LINE THAT SAYS WHERE THE FACES OF THE CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN IS LESS THAN 50FT■!S. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SIGNS THAT ARE OVER 50FT■!S. THIS WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL MEMBERS STURM AND IT WAS A GREAT CATCH. IT WAS SOMETHING WE DID NOT CROSS OUT FROM THE WESTERVILLE. EVIDENTLY THEY ALLOW LARGER ONES. WE DO NOT WANT TO GO THERE AT THIS TIME. SO AGAIN, WITH THE PROPOSAL, ALONG WITH THE TWO RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS, AGAIN ALL THE SIGNS WOULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THIS WOULD [00:05:01] ALSO THEN ALLOW THE AMERICAN LEGION TO HAVE THEIR SIGN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR, I'D MOVE TO AMEND THE LEGISLATION AS PER WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS REQUESTED. SO DO YOU WANT TO READ THAT AGAIN, MIKE? SO SECTION 11, 45.2 4B1A TO TAKE IT FROM 10FT■S TO 20FT■!S, AND THEN ALSO AT THE END OF THAT SENTENCE, IT SAYS WHERE THE FACE OF THE CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN IS LESS THAN 50FT■!S. THAT COULD ALL BE STRUCK OUT. DO YOU HAVE THE DO YOU HAVE THE AMENDMENT? I DO I NEED A SECOND. SECOND? ANDERSON. YES. OLINGA. YES. YES. YES. STURM. YES. BURROWS. YES. OMAR. YES. MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK FOR ANOTHER AMENDMENT? YES. CAN YOU READ THE SECOND AMENDMENT WITH THE 50? THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS IN THAT SAME SECTION UNDER. ACTUALLY, NO, IT'S. MR. CHAIRMAN. YES. ORDER. YOUR AMENDMENT TOOK IN ALL OF THAT. OH, OKAY. IT'S THE SAME SECTION, SAME SENTENCE. OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO DO IT AS TWO. THAT'S. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. BE AS SWIFT AS POSSIBLE HERE. I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU KNEW THAT I DIDN'T KNOW. NO, NO, NO, I JUST KNOW WE BROKE IT APART. AND BEFORE. SO, MR. HOLT, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THESE REGULATIONS WILL ONLY AFFECT A CERTAIN KINDS OF BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. SO THIS IS FOR NOT FOR PROFIT CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. WHAT ELSE? IT'S JUST IT'S JUST NOT A REGULAR COMMUNITY BUILDING SUCH AS CITY BUILDINGS, FIRE HOUSES, CITY BUILDINGS SAY THAT IF THEY WANTED TO PUT ONE OUT AT FRIAR PARK BECAUSE OF ALL THE ACTIVITIES OUT THERE, MAYBE THEY WANT TO DO IT THERE. THEY DO HAVE CHANGEABLE COPIES IN THOSE AREAS. IT'S NOT FOR MCDONALD'S, SO THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC, SO THAT MCDONALD'S CAN'T PUT A GIANT FLASHING LIGHT OUT THERE. CANES, CRACKER BARREL OR WHATEVER CAN'T HAVE THESE KIND OF SIGNS. IT'S ONLY FOR COMMUNITY AND NOT FOR PROFIT TYPE BUILDINGS, FIRE STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. YES. IS THAT TRUE? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. MR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? I HAVE SOME COMMENTS. WHY DID WE DECIDE AT THIS POINT TO MAKE SUCH A BIG CHANGE IN OUR CODE AND WANT TO ALLOW THESE SIGNS? SO I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE KIND OF PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. AND, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME, THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS WEREN'T AVAILABLE AS EASY AS THEY ARE NOW, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GOING AS COMMUNITIES PROGRESS, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGE, THINGS GET LARGER. WE ALLOW CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEFORE TO KIND OF KEEP UP, I GUESS, WITH IT. AND WHEN WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE USED FOR MULTI-PURPOSE, AND THAT'S THE SCHOOLS THAT WE HAD THE FIREWORKS AT THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A SIGN. EVEN MURFIN FIELD, SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE TO, TO PROMOTE WHEN THEY'RE HAVING THE SIGN UPS. PARKS AND REC COULD USE IT. SOME CHURCHES HAVE DIFFERENT TYPE OF ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, INCLUDING BOATING. WE COULD USE THESE SIGNS THEN TO DISPLAY THOSE MESSAGES. SO IT'S FOR COMMUNITY MESSAGING, NOT BUSINESSES. I ALMOST WONDER IF THIS IS A BIG CHANGE COMING IN OUR IN OUR CODE, AND IF WE NEED MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT AND WONDERING IF WE NEED TO PULL THIS BACK A MINUTE AND HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, OR HAVE A WORK SESSION ON IT, OR. I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE STEPPING INTO THIS. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MR. BOWSER, YOU'VE BROUGHT FORWARD SOME POINTS, BUT HAVING NOT HAD THOSE POINTS AHEAD OF TIME, TO BE ABLE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS AND UNDERSTAND HOW MANY BUILDINGS THAT WILL HAVE THOSE KIND OF SIGNS WHERE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHERE ALL THAT WOULD IMPACT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE MADE A DECISION AT ONE POINT IN TIME TO NOT CHANGE OR TO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC CODE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE ALLOWED. SO I'M REALLY JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE AT THIS POINT. I UNDERSTAND WHO IT IMPACTS, HOW MUCH THIS REALLY THE DEPTH OF THIS, HOW MANY BUILDINGS WHERE AROUND WE WOULD SEE IT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF ANYONE ELSE THINKS WE SHOULD PULL THIS BACK AND, AND TALK ABOUT IT MORE, STUDY IT MORE. I UNDERSTAND. MR. BOZZO, DID YOU KNOW LOOKED AT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES? HAVE OTHERS HERE LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES FOR THIS YET? I HAVE NOT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS. MADAM CHAIR. YES. YEAH. TO TANGO ON [00:10:09] FIRST. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ONSLAUGHT OF NONPROFITS COMING FORWARD AND WANTING THIS DIGITAL SIGN. SECONDLY, AS MR. BOWSER EXPLAINED, I MEAN, HE'S HE'S ON THE NATIONAL BOARD OF REGULATION OF BUILDINGS, AND HE IS SEEING IT'S A IT'S AN EVOLVING WORLD. WE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION, AS WE SAID, IN CAUCUS WITH SERVICE STATIONS. I MEAN, THE SKY WAS GOING TO FALL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW SERVICE STATIONS TO HAVE DIGITAL SIGNS, AND SOMEBODY DIDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER AND CHANGE THE SIGN. WELL, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, CONTINUE TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO LOOK LIKE LAS VEGAS. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE SELECTED BY THE FACT THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE OR ONLY THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO SIGN. SO I DON'T SEE AN ONSLAUGHT. AND THE TIMING, I THINK IS, IS SOMEWHAT MORE CRITICAL BECAUSE WINTER IS COMING. AND IF WE CAN SAVE SOMEBODY FROM GOING OUT THERE AND CHANGING THEIR SIGNS, WHICH ARE ALREADY CHANGEABLE, ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING ELECTRONIC IS TO OUR BENEFIT. MR. STURM, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THESE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS FLASHING LIGHTS, MOTION PICTURES, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF CRAZY STUFF THAT MIGHT BE DISPLAYED. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED, WHAT RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE. SO UNDER 1145.24 B ONE IS TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. AND IT TALKS ABOUT SIGNS AND READABILITY. SO THIS WOULD ONLY ALLOW AGAIN WITH THE AMENDMENT UP TO 20 SQUARE FOOT OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGING SIGN. THE ACTUAL SIZE. WHAT IS DISPLAYED IS ONLY TO BE WORDS, NUMBERS AND PUNCTUATION. AND THEN THOSE WORDS NUMBERS, PUNCTUATION HAS TO BE CAN'T BE ANY SMALLER THAN SIX INCHES IN HEIGHT. SO IT'S MUCH LIKE WHAT THE THE CHANGEABLE COPY IS. WE DON'T WANT THEM SQUASHED DOWN TO WHERE IT WOULD CREATE A A. A DIVERSION, I GUESS IS SOMEONE DRIVING TRYING TO READ SOMETHING THAT IS SO SMALL, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE SIGN CAN HAVE NO MORE THAN SIX ROWS OF WORDS OR NUMBERS, AND IT HAS TO BE STATIC. SO AS THE MESSAGE CHANGES, IT CAN'T SCROLL. WE CAN'T HAVE RUNNING DOGS GOING ACROSS THE SCREEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE STAGNANT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THERE FOR EIGHT SECONDS BEFORE IT CHANGES. AND THESE ARE THE SAME STIPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE ON, LIKE I SAY, JACKSON TOWNSHIP ON THEIR SIGNS. AND AGAIN, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THOSE. AND SOME OF THEM ARE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND STILL NOTHING THAT WE SEE. AND THOSE ARE ON 247. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT TO SHUT THEM OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME OF NIGHT. WE DID LOOK AT THAT. IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE SAW AS A PROBLEM BASED OFF HAVING THESE SIGNS WHERE THEY ARE NOW. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED IN THE CITY. AND AGAIN, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS. SO SO THIS SO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE ALIGNS WITH WHAT THE TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENTS. THIS WOULD BRING THEIR SIGNS INTO COMPLIANCE. IF THIS IS APPROVED IT'S IN COMPLIANCE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. NOT COMPLIANT. RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. OMAR? YEAH. JUST A COMMENT. NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION. JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE. I DO APPRECIATE YOU FOR TALKING TO US AS THE EXPERT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC. YOU KNOW, I WAS READING THROUGH IT AND THERE WASN'T REALLY MUCH IN THERE THAT KIND OF HAD ME CONCERNED WITH, YOU KNOW, HOURS AND THOSE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE OFTEN HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT OUR CODE IS OUTDATED OR WE'RE BEHIND. GROVE CITY IS BEHIND. AND A CHANGE LIKE THIS IS ULTIMATELY BRINGING US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, EVEN THOUGH SOME SOME CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT BE MORE ADVANCED WHEN IT COMES TO CHANGES OF THIS SORT, I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I APPRECIATE THE SPECIFIC THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THESE AMENDMENTS. AND I THINK I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. I KNOW ANOTHER ONE WE HEARD WAS MAYBE WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE WHOLE CODE, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS. NO DIFFERENT THAN BUILDING CODES, ZONING CODES, SIGN CODES TO LOOK AT THOSE TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WHAT WE NEED. AND EVERYTHING IS CURRENT. YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING CODE, THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE UPDATES EVERY THREE YEARS. IT'S ON THAT CYCLE. TYPICALLY, WE GET A REQUEST FROM THE CHAMBER TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS OUR SIGN CODE. LAST TIME WE DID THAT, WE APPROVED THE A FRAME SIGNS AND THE TOWN CENTER TO BE ABLE TO PUT OUT. AND THOSE WERE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM [00:15:05] THE BUSINESSES. WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF OTHER COMMENTS TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY SHOULD SIT DOWN AND EVALUATE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER BURROWS BROUGHT THAT UP AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. JUST SOME OF MY COMMENTS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A. DID YOU NO, NO, NO, WE'RE ASKING ABOUT THIS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING A STAB AT THIS. OBVIOUSLY, I HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS IN THE PAST WITH THESE TYPE OF SIGNS NOT BEING PART OF THE CODE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER SIGNS THAT I KNOW THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY PART OF OUR CODE THAT HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. AND AGAIN, THAT'S MY HOLISTIC COMMENT OF DOING A REVIEW, I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE DONE CONCURRENTLY WITH THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT. SO IF IF THIS IS THE, THE, THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO, I THINK WHAT DESIGN STANDARDS ENSURE THAT THEY ENHANCE RATHER THAN DETRACT FROM THE GROVE CITY GATEWAYS, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS. I GUESS IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS AMENDMENT, THIS ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT COUNCIL FINDS THAT ASSIGNS NON-COMMUNICATIVE ASPECTS CAN DISTRACT MOTORISTS AND IMPAIR TRAFFIC STUDY, AND THAT REDUCING SUCH DISTRACTIONS DIRECTLY ADVANCES THE CITY. SUBSTANTIAL GOVERNMENTAL INTEREST AND ROADWAY SAFETY. AND WHEREAS, THE COUNCIL FINDS THAT EXCESSIVE SIGNS, SIZE, SCALE AND OVERALL VISUAL MASS OF EXISTING ELECTRONIC MESSAGE CENTERS AND CHANGEABLE COPY SIGNS, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE ARE PART OF OUR CODE, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THEM, CAN CONTRIBUTE TO VISUAL CLUTTER AND DETRACT FROM THE COMMUNITY'S ESTHETIC CHARACTER. THAT PARTICULAR PARAGRAPH IS WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED WITH, OF COURSE. ALSO SAFETY. I DID TALK TO SAFETY DIRECTOR TEDFORD. HE ALSO BELIEVES THAT CURRENTLY HE DOESN'T SEE A LOT OF SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THESE SIGNS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM. BUT THAT'S WHY I HAD YOU GUYS DO THE EXERCISE ABOUT KIND OF THE DRAFT CORRIDOR, LIKE HOW MANY SIGNS COULD IT BE? I UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYBODY'S GOING TO JUMP OUT AND SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON THESE TYPE OF SIGNS, BUT AS OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW, WE COULD HAVE MORE OF THOSE ON CERTAIN CORRIDORS WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF NONPROFITS. AND AND AGAIN, I THINK STILL A NONPROFIT IS A BUSINESS AS WELL. I MEAN, THIS ALSO WOULD COVER ART MUSEUMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO CAN YOU TALK MAYBE TO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? I YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR TIFFORD IS AN EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO DISTRACTED, ESPECIALLY DISTRACTED DRIVING. AND HE DID NOT FEEL THAT THIS IS WOULD WOULD CREATE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BASED OFF THE WAY THAT IT'S WORDED. AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THESE SIGNS ON 665 BUCKEYE PARKWAY, GROVE CITY ROAD, HOOVER ROAD AND SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, AND WE'VE NEVER, EVER HAD A COMPLAINT FROM THOSE OR HAD A, AN ACCIDENT THAT OCCURRED BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS READING THAT SIGN. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE A PROBLEM. AND WHO DO I ANTICIPATE? LET'S SAY THAT WHO DO WE SEE PUTTING THESE UP? I COULD SEE THE HIGH SCHOOLS. I COULD SEE MAYBE SOME OF THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS. BUT I, I WOULD SAY ESPECIALLY THE HIGH SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY USE THAT BUILDING FOR MULTI PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BAND BAZAAR TO VOTING TO THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT OCCURRED THERE. AGAIN, LIKE THE FIREWORKS, YOU KNOW, THEM SOME CHURCHES POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK THE NAZARENE CHURCH WILL DO IT? YEAH, PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS THAT GO ON THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD KEEP THEM FROM HAVING TO PUT UP THE BANNERS. MAYBE THEY DO. NOW THAT SOMETIMES CAN CREATE A CLUTTER BECAUSE THEY GO UP MAYBE ON THE WEEKENDS AND THEY BLOCK THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS OF COMING OUT IN THE LINE OF SIGHT OF PEOPLE LEAVING, AND WE DON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY GO UP, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS SOMETIMES AND YOU DON'T NOTICE IT. NOT THAT WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT, BUT AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE AWAY, CLEAN THAT UP. AND WITH THIS ALSO, THE SIGN FOR THE AMERICAN LEGION WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE. RIGHT NOW IT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE ROAD WIDENED OUT THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IT BACK TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. THEY'RE GOING TO LANDSCAPE IT. THEY'RE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN. SO WE GAIN A LOT WITH THIS. BUT AGAIN, WE CAN ANTICIPATE WHO'S GOING TO COME IN NEXT. IT'S A CRAPSHOOT. BUT I DO SEE THE HIGH SCHOOLS PROBABLY WANTING TO DO IT. WELL I, I I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS. IF IT IS ALLOWED. AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, AGAIN, I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. I APPRECIATE PEOPLE WANTING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE AND WHAT'S GOING ON. I JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CITY CHARACTER OF OUR SMALL TOWN AND THAT WE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW. BUT AGAIN, MR. OMAR ALSO SAID, AGAIN, IT'S GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT [00:20:02] PROPERLY. SO AND SO DO I, I DO SO AGAIN, I'M SORRY, MISS ANDERSON. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT FOR PROFITS. CHURCHES, SCHOOLS. SO REALLY THE YMCA COULD PUT ONE OUT. IF I'M CORRECT, THE CHAMBER COULD PUT ONE OUT LITTLE THEATER ON BROADWAY. OH YEAH. THEY COULDN'T. THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE TOWN CENTER CODE, THE THE, THE DIFFERENT SIGN CODE THAT DOES CHANGE THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE ALREADY SEEING DISCREPANCIES, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY FOR NONPROFITS. BUT IF YOU'RE A NONPROFIT HERE IN THE TOWN CENTER, I STILL THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT AND THINK ABOUT WITH THIS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PULL THIS BACK OFF THE AGENDA AND STUDY IT FOR A LITTLE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS AND THEN BRING IT BACK. IS THERE A SECOND? SORRY, MISS ANDERSON, IS YOUR MOTION TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY FROM THE AGENDA? YES. TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY FROM THE AGENDA AND BRING IT BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WE YOU CAN'T REMOVE IT AND BRING IT BACK. YOU EITHER POSTPONE IT TO A DATE, CERTAIN. OKAY, OR YOU JUST REMOVE IT. AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK UNDER A NEW NUMBER. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE IT TO SEPTEMBER 1ST, WHATEVER THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING IS. SEPTEMBER 7TH. SEVENTH. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? THIS MOTION DIES TO THE LACK OF A SECOND. OKAY. DOES IT MATTER? THE MOTION DIED. SO WHAT IS THE QUESTION NOW? I'M SORRY. WE'RE ON THE QUESTION OF THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WITH NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION, THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND, AS AMENDED. YES. GARY. YES. HOLT. YES. YES. KOUROSH. YES. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. NO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND GO USA. TIME'S A WASTIN. ALRIGHT. RESOLUTION KR 2126. WAIVE THE [Resolution CR-21-26 Waive the provisions of Section 903.05b of the Codified Ordinances for the Annual Alumni Softball tournament on July 24 – 26, 2026 at Fryer Park. ] PROVISIONS OF SECTION 903.05 B OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE ANNUAL ALUMNI SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT ON JULY 24TH THROUGH THE 26TH AT FRIAR PARK. IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS? THERE IS NOT, MADAM CHAIR. YES, MAYOR. I GIVE THIS SPEECH EVERY TIME WE HAVE THIS UP, DON'T I, RANDY? YES, I WAS WAITING. WELL, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT HAVING ALCOHOL AT THE AT THE AT THE ALUMNI SOFTBALL WHEN WE STARTED THIS. WELL, WHEN WE DIDN'T START IT. BUT WHEN THE ORGANIZATION STARTED SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS, WE HAD ALCOHOL BEVERAGES COMING IN ON IN BABY CARRIAGES, ON WAGONS AND ALL DIFFERENT WAYS. AND WE WENT THROUGH ABOUT TWO YEARS AND FINALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO RUN AND SELL ALCOHOL. WE'LL GIVE YOU THE LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS CONTRABAND IS NOT COMING INTO THE PARK. THAT'S BEEN OUR MODEL OF OPERATION MODE OF OPERATION NOW FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. AND SO IT DOES HAVE SOME THE HISTORY THAT IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS, IT WASN'T ALWAYS THIS WELL DISCIPLINED, I'LL SAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MISS TROY IS TROY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? OH, OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS RESOLUTION FROM COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THIS RESOLUTION HAS ITS PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. CARRY. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. ANDERSON. [Resolution CR-22-26 Waive the provisions of Section 529.07(b)3 of the Codified Ordinances for the Annual Homecoming Celebration on July 24, 2026 in the Town Center] YES. YES. ALL RIGHT. RESOLUTION KR 2226. A RESOLUTION TO WAIVE THE PROVISIONS FOR SECTION OF SECTION FIVE. 29.07 B THREE OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE ANNUAL HOMECOMING CELEBRATION ON JULY 24TH IN THE TOWN CENTER. WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS, AND THAT WOULD BE JOHN EMERICH. YEAH. JOHN, IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. HOW IS EVERYBODY TODAY? MY NAME IS JOHN EMERICH. I BELIEVE I'M SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU WHERE I LIVE. 5266 BERRY LANE, GROVE CITY, OHIO, 43123. BUT TODAY I'M HERE REPRESENTING GROVE CITY KIDS ASSOCIATION AS I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD, AND WE ARE AT 4 OR 5, SEVEN OH HAHN [00:25:02] ROAD. BUT OVER THE PAST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT 20 PLUS YEARS WE'VE BEEN SELLING BEER DURING HOMECOMING CELEBRATION. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE. WE WOULD LIKE THE HONOR TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. IT IT DOES HELP WITH SOME OF OUR. OUR FOOTBALL EXPENSES IS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO BECAUSE OUR FOOTBALL TEAMS, OUR FOOTBALL COACHES, OUR FOOTBALL PART OF OUR PROGRAM IS WHO MANS THE THE BEER SALES. AND THEN WE. THEY GET TO SHARE IN THE PROFITS FROM THAT. SO IT WOULD BE ALWAYS BE HELPFUL. AND I WOULD ALWAYS APPRECIATE IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU FOR IT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. EMERICH? I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR. ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE TRAINED IN THE SALE AND IDENTIFICATION. RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE ARE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES. I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT. I'M JUST SAYING I WILL FOLLOW WHATEVER WE NEED TO AS WE HAVE. OH, YEAH. THANK YOU. AND CAN I STILL HAVE TO GET THE PERMIT? I CAN'T GET THE PERMIT TILL AFTER I GET APPROVAL. NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. READING PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL MOVE IT. BE APPROVED. SECOND. HOLT. YES, SIR. YES. YES. YES. ANDERSON. YES. YES, YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR LETTING US USE THE FIELD ON THE FIREWORKS. FIREWORKS? OH, THANKS. YOU GUYS, CAN YOU PULL UP OUR FIELDS NICELY? FIREWORKS [Resolution CR-23-26 Waive the provisions of Section 903.05 and 903.28(a) of the Codified Ordinances for the Bourbon & Spirits Festival on August 08, 2026. ] WERE NICE. NEXT IS RESOLUTION CR2326, A RESOLUTION TO WAIVE THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION NINE, ZERO THREE, ZERO FIVE AND 90328 A OF THE CODIFIED ORDINANCE FOR THE BOURBON AND SPIRITS FESTIVAL ON AUGUST 8TH OF 2026. THERE IS NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT PARTICULAR EVENT HERE, BUT I DIDN'T SIGN UP TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW THAT. ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION, CHAIR, AND I THINK I ASK THIS GENERALLY EVERY YEAR. SO WHEN WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF ORDINANCES WHERE WE ALLOW ALCOHOL DURING THIS SPECIFIC TIME FRAME, DORA CANNOT HAPPEN WITHIN THIS AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? OR DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT CAN CONFIRM THAT YOU CAN'T BRING A DOOR IN? ONCE YOU'RE IN THIS AREA? YOU DO HAVE TO. I COULD SPEAK TO THAT. YOU CAN'T CROSS THE BORDERS, PLEASE. YES, THEY RESTRICT THAT. MISS ANDERSON. I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THAT AS A LIQUOR HOLDER IN THE TOWN CENTER. SO YOU CAN HAVE YOU CAN YOU CAN NOT TAKE AN OUTSIDE DORA INTO A BONDED AREA. THEY CAN TAKE A DRINK OUTSIDE ONCE INSIDE AND BRING IT OUT INTO AN AREA THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, BUT THEY CANNOT GO IN. IT CAN ONLY COME OUT OKAY. THEY HAVE TO DRINK IT BEFORE THEY GO IN IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING ON THE OUTSIDE. BUT ONCE YOU'RE INSIDE, WHETHER IT'S THIS OR OTHER ARTS IN THE ALLEY, WINE AND ARTS YOU CAN PURCHASE FROM INSIDE AND STILL THEN LEAVE THAT PERIMETER. EVEN WITH THIS LEGISLATION, YOU CAN STILL BE WITHIN THE DORA AREA. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND THE OTHER NOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR THE ALCOHOL WITH INSIDE THAT AREA. IT'S ALSO FOR SMOKING, WHICH WAS TWO SEPARATE ORDINANCES LAST YEAR. BUT THIS IS A RESOLUTION. EXCUSE ME, BUT THIS ALL INTO ONE RESOLUTION THIS YEAR. MR. HOLT, YOU HAD A QUESTION. NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO TRY TO SQUASH THE PERCEPTION THAT GROVE CITY HAS AN ALCOHOL PROBLEM. THEY JUST ALL HAPPEN TO BE ON THE THE DOCKET AT THE SAME TIME HERE FOR SEVERAL EVENTS AND SAME THING WE'VE DONE FOR THE LAST MANY YEARS. SO IT WAS JUST MORE OF A HUMOROUS COMMENT. LET'S CALL IT. YEP. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND STURM. YES. YES. YES YES YES YES YES. AND WITH THAT PRESIDENT BARRY, THAT'S ALL I [Ordinance C-25-26 Amend Ordinance C-32-20 for the West Basement Program. Second reading and public hearing.] HAVE. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN OMAR, FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE SERVICE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE ITEMS UNDER SERVICE THIS EVENING ARE ORDINANCE C 2526, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND ORDINANCE C 3220 FOR THE WET BASEMENT PROGRAM. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. YES. THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. IN THE PAST, WE TARGETED A CERTAIN AREA IN IN THE CITY, MOSTLY THE DOWNTOWN AND OLDER AREAS. THOSE AREAS HAVE REALLY BEEN BROUGHT UP TO [00:30:01] COMPLIANCE AND IMPROVEMENTS EACH YEAR. WE'VE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE HAD FUNDS THAT REMAINED UNTAKEN. SO WE'VE EXPANDED THE AREA REALLY TO ALMOST THE ENTIRE CITY TO GIVE MORE RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PART IN THIS PROGRAM. MR. HOLT AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THIS DROVE LOTS OF STREET MAINTENANCE AND DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE AND THINGS, INCLUDING THE COLUMBUS STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE RECENTLY DONE. AND I GREW UP IN THAT AREA, AND IT WAS ALWAYS A PROBLEM ON THOSE STREETS. AND THIS DROVE WHAT HOW MUCH WAS THAT CINDY $6 MILLION MILLION $10 MILLION TO FIX COLUMBUS STREET. AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED. THEY FOUND A HISTORIC PIPE IN THERE THAT WAS ACTUALLY REDUCED INSTEAD OF EXPANDED AS FLOW WENT DOWN AND IT WAS FIXED. AND SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GOOD STORY. IT TOOK 4 OR 5 YEARS. BUT WE'VE FOR 20 YEARS, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF WET BASEMENTS. AND NOW WE'VE FIXED THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOME INDIVIDUAL SITUATIONS TO WHERE THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM VERY MUCH. AND IT ALSO IMPROVED AREAS NOT ONLY ON COLUMBUS STREET, BUT SAWYER COURT HAPPENS TO BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE AND OTHER AREAS THAT ARE OFF STREETS OFF OF COLUMBUS STREET. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. CADEN ASSEFA. YOU'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE TO BE APPROVED SECOND. BURROWS. YES. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. THE NEXT ITEM. RESOLUTION [Resolution CR-24-26 Giving consent of the City for the Ohio Department of Transportation to remove snow and ice and use snow and ice control material on State Highways inside the City corporate limits and Authorizing the City to enter into an Agreement with the State of Ohio Department of Transportation for snow and ice removal; and Giving Consent of the City for the Ohio Department of Transportation to perform certain maintenance and/or repair on State Highways inside the City Corporation and Authorizing the City to enter into an Agreement with the State of Ohio Department of Transportation for certain maintenance and/or repair. ] CR 2426. A RESOLUTION GIVING CONSENT OF THE CITY FOR THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO REMOVE SNOW AND ICE AND USE SNOW AND ICE CONTROL MATERIAL ON STATE HIGHWAY INSIDE THE CITY CORPORATE LIMITS, AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WITH THE STATE OF OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR SNOW AND ICE REMOVAL AND GIVING CONSENT OF THE CITY FOR THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO PERFORM CERTAIN MAINTENANCE AND OR REPAIR ON STATE HIGHWAY INSIDE THE CITY CORPORATION AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE OF OHIO. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR CERTAIN MAINTENANCE AND OR REPAIR. ANY DISCUSSION. I'LL JUST CLARIFY. THIS IS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DONE THIS WAY. SOMEBODY JUST WANTED TO CODIFY THIS AGREEMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALWAYS COME IN AND CLEARED CERTAIN STREETS 104, SIX, 65, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS JUST MAKES IT LEGAL TO DO THAT. AND WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL AGREEMENT WITH WITH THEM. ALL RIGHT. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE TO BE APPROVED SECOND. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. YES. YES. YES YES. YES. YES. LAST, WE HAVE [Resolution CR-25-26 Declaring the necessity of constructing certain Sidewalks on Demorest Rd., Magnolia St., Pin Oak Ct., Red Oak Ct., Southwest Blvd., Thompson Ave., and White Oak Ct., and requiring that abutting Property Owners construct same. ] RESOLUTION CR 2526, A RESOLUTION DECLARING THE NECESSITY OF CONSTRUCTING CERTAIN SIDEWALKS ON DEMOREST ROAD, MAGNOLIA STREET, PIN OAK COURT, RED OAK COURT, SOUTHWEST BOULEVARD, THOMPSON AVE AND WHITE OAK COURT AND REQUIRING THAT ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS CONSTRUCT SAME CINDY EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL JUST TO BRING THE PUBLIC REALLY UP TO SPEED ON THIS. OUR FIRST PHASE OF THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM IS GETTING READY TO GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION. BUT WHEN WE APPLIED THE BID PRICING, WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAD FUNDING LEFT OVER FROM WHAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR 2026. AND SO WE'VE DEVELOPED A PHASE TWO THAT WILL BRING THESE PROPERTIES INTO THE PROGRAM WITH THE REMAINDER OF OUR FUNDING, AND ALLOW US TO WRAP UP THE WEST GROVE SUBDIVISION. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. HOLT. WELL, JUST FOR THE REGULAR PERSON, YOU KNOW, YOU OWN YOUR SIDEWALK AND YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REPAIR OF YOUR SIDEWALK. HOWEVER, GROVE CITY CREATED A SIDEWALK REPAIR PROGRAM WHERERE WE ASSESS CERTAIN SIDEWALKS AND UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY'RE REALLY BAD. AND SO THROUGH THE ECONOMIES OF SCALE, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME IN AND DO LARGE SECTIONS OF THOSE SIDEWALKS, AND WE GET THE PRICE FOR THAT. SO LET'S SAY IT WAS $5,000 FOR YOUR SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. YOU'RE ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. BUT SINCE YOU'RE IN THE SIDEWALK PROGRAM, GROVE CITY PAYS FOR HALF OF THAT THROUGH THE $600,000 A YEAR THAT WE ALLOCATE. AND THEN THE OTHER HALF YOU'RE STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR AS THE OWNER OF THE SIDEWALK. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO ADD THAT ON TO YOUR TAX BILL AND SPREAD IT OUT OVER 20 YEARS. SO [00:35:05] IT MAKES IT VERY PAINLESS AS FAR AS A PAYMENT IS CONCERNED FOR YOU GETTING YOUR SIDEWALK UP TO CODE AND LEVEL AND NO BIG CRACKS AND HOLES IN IT. AND THEN IT'S ALSO BEAUTIFICATION OF THE CITY, WHICH WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE CITY WITH BABY CARRIAGES AND RUNNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THIS IS A GOOD STORY, AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THIS YEAR THAN WE WERE ABLE TO DO LAST YEAR, AND IT'LL CONTINUE ON FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND SOMEDAY IT'LL BE YOUR SIDEWALK. SO I JUST MIGHT ADD TO THAT, THAT ASSESSMENT GOES ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS WITHOUT ANY INTEREST RATE. SO THERE'S NO INTEREST ON THAT MONEY. THANK YOU. PENALTIES. I BELIEVE IT IS THE 11TH YEAR. OH YEAH. GREAT HISTORY WITH IT. THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE TO BE APPROVED SECOND. DID WE HAVE SOMEBODY SIGN UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ONE OR. NO. OKAY. ANDERSON. YES. MALINGA. YES. MARY. YES. YES YES YES YES. MR. PRESIDENT, THAT IS ALL FOR [Ordinance C-26-26 Authorize the Director of Service to enter into a Franchise Agreement with Local Waste Services, LLC for solid waste, recycling material and yard waste collection, transportation and disposal. Second reading and public hearing. ] SERVICE. THANK YOU. UNDER FINANCE CHAIRMAN STROM STURM. YES. THANK YOU. FIRST IS ORDINANCE C 2626, AN ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE DIRECTOR OF SERVICE TO ENTER INTO A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL WASTE SERVICES, LLC FOR SOLID WASTE RECYCLING MATERIAL AND YARD WASTE COLLECTION, TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL. THIS PARTICULAR LEGISLATION WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT FOR OUR LOCAL WASTE AUTHORITY TO CONTINUE OPERATION. THIS CONTRACT WOULD BE FROM JANUARY 2027 TO DECEMBER 31ST, 2031. THE SOLID WASTE AUTHORITY OF CENTRAL OHIO TAKES CARE OF BIDDING. THIS PROCESS. WE'RE IN A GROUP OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT INCLUDE JACKSON TOWNSHIP, HAMILTON TOWNSHIP, NORWICH TOWNSHIP, THE VILLAGE OF URBAN CREST, THE VILLAGE OF LOCKBOURNE, AND THE CITY OF HILLIARD. THOSE BIDS WERE TAKEN. THE LOWEST BID WAS FOR LOCAL WASTE, WHO PRESENTLY DOES OUR COLLECTION. OUR PRESENT PRICE IS $19.99 A MONTH. THIS PARTICULAR LOW AND BEST BID CAME IN AT $23.99 A MONTH, WHICH WAS A $4 INCREASE, OR 20% OVER THAT FIVE YEARS. IT ALSO INCLUDES FREE PICKUP TO EIGHT CITY FACILITIES, AS WELL AS CITY EVENTS, AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAD. HAVE ONE SPEAKER IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. OKAY. BUSINESS ADDRESS IS 139 NORTH MARKET STREET, MOUNT STERLING, OHIO. 43143. CURRENT TRUCK DRIVER AND MECHANIC FOR MASON SONS. DUMPSTERS DO WORK AROUND HERE. ALSO IN GROVE CITY. THIS ORDINANCE SIMPLY SHOULD BE ALSO A GREAT INVESTMENT FOR THE CITY OF GROVE CITY BECAUSE WE. THERE IS A LOT OF WASTE MANAGEMENT THAT IS IN REGARDS TO. ESPECIALLY THIS BEING THE HOME OF THE LANDFILL, WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. ON THEIR OWN, BUT ALSO WITH WASTE COMPANIES. SO THIS IS SIMPLY JUST A THING TO JUST HELP RESIDENTS WHO CAN'T, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT THEIR OWN TRASH, BUT ALSO AREN'T ABLE TO HAVE LIKE A TRUCK AND TRAILER TO, YOU KNOW, HAUL OFF THAT WASTE. SO THIS IS ANOTHER THING, BUT ALSO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND OF WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS, THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ESPECIALLY WITH USDOT, THEY HAVE A VERY STRICT POLICY IN REGARDS TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, AND PARTICULARLY IN MY EXPERIENCE, IN THE COUPLE OF YEARS I'VE BEEN IN TRUCKING WASTE, THAT'S BEEN A PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO PLEASE REMIND THEM THAT OVERWEIGHTED BIN CONTAINERS AND TRASH TRUCKS CAN BE A SEVERE PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WITH TRASH FLYING OUT, ESPECIALLY IN THE OPEN CONTAINER TRUCKS AND EVEN TRASH TRUCKS THAT IF THEY FORGET TO CLOSE THE HATCH AT THE TOP OF THE TRUCKS, THEN THAT CAN CAUSE SOME ISSUES AND THEN SOME COMPLAINTS. AND OBVIOUSLY THAT CITES, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVER OF THAT VEHICLE FOR NOT KEEPING THEIR CONTAINER PROPERLY MAINTAINED, BUT ALSO KEEPING THE DOOR, THE UPPER DOOR ON THE TRASH TRUCK CLOSED. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WITH LOCAL WASTE, ESPECIALLY ANYBODY WHO DUMPS AROUND HERE IN WARNER BROTHERS, ESPECIALLY US. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST ONE THING TO KEEP THESE ROADS CLEAN, ESPECIALLY WITH LESS NUISANCE COMPLAINTS WITH THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT THIS IN REGARDS. SO THIS IS A GOOD INVESTMENT, BUT JUST PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND, ESPECIALLY WITH RATE RESTRICTIONS, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE THING THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE HAD A LOAD THAT WAS RATE RESTRICTED. SO THAT WENT OVER THE WEIGHT A LITTLE BIT, BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN LINE WITH. ALSO, WHEN YOU GUYS DISCUSS THIS FURTHER WITH THE LOCAL WASTE, I YIELD BACK THE REST OF MY TIME. THANK YOU. I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT. I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH ALMOST ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR THEM. THE ONLY ONE I WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT. WE'RE NOT THE HOME OF THE LANDFILL IN JACKSON TOWNSHIP, SO THANK YOU. WE'RE CLOSE. WE ARE. OTHER DISCUSSION. [00:40:04] YES, YES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I'VE LIVED IN DIFFERENT AREAS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CENTRAL OHIO AREA. AND IN MY OPINION, LOCAL WASTE SERVICES DOES A GREAT JOB. I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM. NEITHER HAVE ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS, SO I, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM. AND WHEN YOU CONSIDER AN INCREASE OF $4 OVER FIVE YEARS, THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST A 4% OR WHATEVER A YEAR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. OKAY. COMMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING AND I MOVE IT BE APPROVED SECOND. LINGA. YES, YES, YES. YES. YES. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. YES. OKAY. I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB FOR HOLSTER. I THOUGHT I HAD THAT I KNOW I [ Ordinance C-27-26 Authorize the City Administrator to enter into a Contract with Henschen and Associates, Inc. Second reading and public hearing.. ] HAVE IT OFF. ALL RIGHT. NEXT IS ORDINANCE C 2726 ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH CHEN AND ASSOCIATES. THIS IS FOR THE MAYOR'S COURT SOFTWARE. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS GOING TO SPEAK TO THAT? I'M HERE, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. I'M JUST HERE IN SUPPORT OF IT. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MR. HURLEY, DID YOU WANT TO GIVE A QUICK NO, NO. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NO, THAT'S FINE, THAT'S FINE. DISCUSSION, MR. CHAIR. YES. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MR. SHANKWEILER NUMBER ONE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE HER INTRODUCED. AND THEN SECONDLY, I WOULD APPRECIATE A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SOFTWARE, WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT THIS IS GENE SHANKWEILER. SHE JOINED US. HOW MANY MONTHS? THREE YEARS AGO? THREE YEARS. AND SHE IS VERY EFFICIENT IN THE MAYOR'S COURT AND HAS BROUGHT NEW IDEAS AND SOME GREAT THOUGHT IN EMBEDDED WITHIN THE COURT SYSTEM. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. MY NAME IS GENE SHANKWEILER. I'VE COME I'VE WORKED IN SEVERAL COURTS, USUALLY MUNICIPAL COURT, AND I LANDED HERE IN GROVE CITY WHEN MY DAUGHTER MOVED HERE. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM MADISON COUNTY. DON'T HOLD THAT AGAINST ME. BUT THIS SOFTWARE, WITH THE HELP OF OUR IT DEPARTMENT, I ASKED. DEPARTMENT HAS WE. WE LOOKED FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S BEEN A TWO YEAR PROJECT. I'M GOING TO GO WITH THE SAME THING THAT MR. BOZO DID. THIS IS BRINGING THE COURT, THE MAYOR'S COURT UP INTO THE MODIFICATION OF THE COURT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE THINGS WITH THE COURT, WITH THIS SOFTWARE. WE'VE HAD THE SAME SOFTWARE FOR TEN YEARS, AND THE SOFTWARE IS FROM SOMEONE FROM OUT OF THE STATE. THIS SOFTWARE THAT WE ARE GOING WITH IS FROM END STATE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE SUPREME COURT? THEY UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO REPORT THAT IS MANDATED FOR US TO REPORT. AND IT WILL ALSO GIVE ENHANCED REPORTING AND E-FILING AND MOVE US INTO THE FUTURE. SO WITH THIS SOFTWARE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST OF PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I CAN GO INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I CAN ANSWER THOSE. UNLESS THEY'RE TECHNICAL, THEN TODD'S GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WILL WE BE ABLE TO GET MORE INFORMATION? IN SUMMARY INFORMATION ON MAYOR'S COURT CASES? ABSOLUTELY, YES. YOU SHOULD. YOU WILL GET YOU CAN GET THAT MONTHLY. IT WILL ALSO HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON SEVERAL REPORTING WITHOUT BEING MANIPULATION. BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET AN ANNUAL REPORTING, MORE REPORTING ON WHAT TYPE OF WHAT TYPE, AGE, DEMOGRAPHICS, STUFF LIKE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO ALL OF THAT. CAN YOU JUST TAKE A NOTE AND CONTACT ME SOMETIME, PLEASE? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THERE. I CAN OKAY. I CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS. SO I GUESS FOR THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT, JUST FOR THEM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, AND MAYBE THIS IS NOT EVEN A QUESTION DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU, MORE SO A COMMENT, THE COST OF THIS NEW SOFTWARE IS $126,888.76. CORRECT. CONFIRM A PORTION OF THAT IS BEING FUNDED THROUGH A GRANT THROUGH THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY, APPROXIMATELY 69,000. THEY'RE STILL EVALUATING OUR REQUEST AND THAT THAT PARTICULAR SOFTWARE HAS TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH TRAFFIC. THAT IS CORRECT. STILL EVALUATING THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET WE'VE BEEN NOTIFIED AT LEAST $169,000. SO IN THE 2026 APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE, WE APPROPRIATED $215,000. SO OBVIOUSLY, THERE'LL BE MONEY THAT WILL GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO BE SPENT ON OTHER THINGS. AND THE FIRST PART OF THAT GRANT [00:45:04] HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. IT IS NOW IN THE FEDERAL PORTION. AND THEY SAID WE SHOULD KNOW IN ABOUT. BUT IT'S 79% OF THAT, 79.2% OF OUR CASE IS TRAFFIC. SO THEY WILL COVER 79.2%. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW THAT I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT DATA SECURITY BECAUSE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SOUNDS LIKE THAT FROM SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT THERE YOU KNOW, THE DATA IS CONSIDERED OURS. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, PULL OUR DATA BACK, OUR CITY DATA BACK WHENEVER WE NEED TO. IT IS PROTECTED BY MULTIPLE MECHANISMS AS WELL. SO THAT WAS THOSE ARE A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED ORIGINALLY, AND MR. ROWLEY KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE SOME ANSWERS ON THAT. SO JUST AGAIN, JUST AS A PUBLIC SERVICE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST CLEAR TEXT DATA SITTING OUT THERE ON A, ON A THUMB DRIVE SOMEWHERE OR SOMETHING. ANYBODY ELSE? ALL RIGHT. THIS ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED SECOND. MR. PERRY YES. HOLT. YES. YES. BURROWS. YES. OMAR. YES. ANDERSON. YES. [Ordinance C-28-26 Authorize the City Administrator to enter into a Contract with Pitney Bowes. Second reading and public hearing. ] MALINGA. YES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ORDINANCE C 2826. AN ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH PITNEY BOWES. THIS IS FOR POSTAGE POSTAGE MACHINE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THIS ONE. IT'S $81. 81 BUCKS. YEAH. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. ORDINANCE HAS HAD ITS SECOND READING PUBLIC HEARING. I MOVE IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. HOLT. YES. YES. YES. YES. ANDERSON. YES. YES. BARRY. YES. NEXT ORDINANCE C 2926. AN [Ordinance C-29-26 Levying Special Assessments for the construction of various sidewalks in the City of Grove City, Ohio. First reading] ORDINANCE LEVYING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF VARIOUS SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF GROVE CITY. THIS IS A FIRST READING, AND THE SECOND READING AND [Resolution CR-26-26 Approve the Budget Estimates for the Fiscal Year of 2027. ] PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON 720 NEXT. AND FINALLY, RESOLUTION CR2626A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THE BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OF 2027. ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? THAT'S JUST A FILING, BASICALLY CORRECT. THIS IS REQUIRED BY THE FRANKLIN COUNTY BUDGET COMMISSION COMMISSION. WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR IN NOVEMBER. WE'LL SET THE ACTUAL RATES. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET THAT THE MAYOR SUBMITTED, THERE'S NO PROPOSED INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX. THAT WILL BE THE BE THE 38TH CONSECUTIVE YEAR WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN. DURING 13 OF THOSE YEARS, WE'VE HAD A DECREASE. WE WILL BE LEVYING 3.5 MILS. WHAT'S THAT MEAN? THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER. IF YOU LIVE IN A $400,000 HOUSE, THE PORTION THAT THAT THE CITY OF GROVE CITY GETS OUT OF YOUR TAX TOTAL PROPERTY TAX BILL IS $490,000 ON A $400,000 HOME. SO YOUR PROPERTY RATE THAT WE GET IS LESS THAN 7% OF THE FUNDING. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 490,004 $490. OH YEAH. YOU SAID 1000 THOUSAND. SORRY, IT'S A HELL OF A HOUSE. WOW. THAT'S TED'S HOUSE. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS RESOLUTION HAS HAD ITS READING AND PUBLIC HEARING, AND I MOVE THAT IT BE APPROVED. SECOND. TERM. YES. YES. YES. ANDERSON. YES. YES. YES, YES. MR. [Ordinance C-30-26 Authorizing the City Administrator to execute all documents necessary to accept ownership of the Borror Road Bridge, located between Quail Creek Blvd. and Buckeye Parkway, from Franklin County. First reading.] PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE THIS EVENING UNDER FINANCE. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE, MR. HOLT. YES. THANK YOU. ORDINANCE C 3026. AUTHORIZING THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS NECESSARY TO ACCEPT OWNERSHIP OF THE BRIDGE OR ROAD BRIDGE LOCATED BETWEEN QUAIL CREEK BOULEVARD AND BUCKEYE PARKWAY AND IN FRANKLIN COUNTY. THIS IS THE FIRST READING, SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON [Ordinance C-31-26 Amend Various Section of Chapter 161 titled Employment Provisions for City Employees. First reading. ] SEVEN, 2026. ORDINANCE C 3126 AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF CHAPTER 161, TITLED EMPLOYMENT PROVISIONS FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. FIRST READING. SECOND READING WILL BE ON SEVEN, 2026. MR. BARRY. THAT'S IT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES OUR [UNFINISHED BUSINESS: Council review of - Community Center Comparison; Charter] NORMAL AGENDA HERE TONIGHT. SO WE HAVE GOT SOME LOOSE ENDS HERE TO TIE UP. THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE'RE BRINGING THAT BACK UP WITH MR. PIZZUTI FOR FOR QUESTIONS. MR. SEE, I DID IT AGAIN, JIM. I'M SORRY. YEAH, IT'S THE SHIRT. IT'S INGRAINED IN MY HEAD. OKAY, IT'S MR. RUSSELL, I'M SORRY. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. WAIT, [00:50:08] WAIT, JACK, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST? JACK WANTED TO SPEAK FIRST BEFORE JIM. SO. MR. STAGE? OH. DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE. YEAH, YEAH, DON'T MAKE THAT MISTAKE. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MAYOR CHUCK. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT 4TH OF JULY INDEPENDENCE DAY AND GOT TO TAKE IN SOME OF OUR FIREWORKS. THEY WERE OUTSTANDING. I KNOW THAT'S OFF TOPIC, BUT I HAD TO GET THAT PLUG IN. WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, NOT ONLY OVER THE WEEKEND, BUT A LOT OF HAS COME IN TODAY TOO, THANKING US. SO THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR. FIRST, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT A COMMUNITY CENTER. THIS DID NOT JUST BEGIN A FEW WEEKS AGO, THIS CONVERSATION. IT DIDN'T JUST BEGIN WITH THIS PRESENTATION LAST WEEK. IT DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED HERE WITH GROVE CITY. IT'S ACTUALLY A RESULT OF YEARS OF COMMUNITY INPUT, TWO FEASIBILITY STUDIES, 1 IN 2013, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2000 2013, AND THEN PROS CONSULTING FINISHED 1 IN 2024. LOTS OF COUNCIL DECISION DISCUSSIONS, LOTS OF STAFF DISCUSSIONS AND EVEN COUNCIL. TWO DIFFERENT COUNCILS MADE THE COMMUNITY CENTER A TOP PRIORITY FOR THEIR ONCE IN 2019. AND THEN I THINK AGAIN ONCE AT THE BEGINNING OF 24. PARK BOARD HAS BEEN INVOLVED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. SO THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS, I BELIEVE, THAT SHOWS THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY GOOD. AS PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, MY ROLE ISN'T TO TELL COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY, HOW TO VOTE. MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE BEST INFORMATION POSSIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE. SO TONIGHT, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES. I'LL TRY AND BE BRIEF. I KNOW I GET OFF TOPIC FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE SOME DECISION FRAMEWORK THAT I THINK THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AND MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU AS YOU'RE MAKING THIS DIFFICULT DECISION. THE FIRST THING I'D ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IS BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS. SO THIS COMES INTO PLAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL DOLLARS. GOING BACK TO PROS CONSULTING, YOU SAW A THEY PRESENTED A RANGE OF WHAT CAPITAL WOULD COST TO BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER. THEN WE MOVED ON WITH PEZZUTTI, AND WE FORMED A SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE AND A FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER RANGE. AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE ALSO MADE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO PAY FOR THE. THE BUILDING. SINCE THEN, WE'VE SEEN THE YMCA PRESENT A COUPLE OF ALTERNATIVE METHODS WITH DIFFERENT RANGES AS WELL. AND THEN EVEN LAST WEEK DID A GREAT JOB OF COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. AND THEY SHOWED RANGES OF WHAT CAPITAL WOULD COST. SO IT'S IMPORTANT. THIS COULD BE A COMPLEX TOPIC. IT CAN GET CONFUSING NOT ONLY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT FOR OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. AND HECK, SOMETIMES I GET EVEN CONFUSED TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT ALL. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE AND WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS THIS. WE HEARD FROM OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, MIKE TURNER, A FEW MEETINGS AGO AND WHERE HE STATED WHAT HOW WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. LAST YEAR'S COUNCIL EXTENDED THE TIFF PINNACLE TIFF, AND SO WE CAN PULL SOME OF THOSE DOLLARS TO BUILD FOR THIS COMMUNITY CENTER AND BUILD THAT CAPITAL PORTION OF IT. BUT ULTIMATELY, FISCAL ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL WOULD GET TOGETHER AND COUNCIL WILL AUTHORIZE A PARTICULAR BUDGET. IT WON'T BE A RANGE. IT'LL BE A NUMBER. WHETHER THAT NUMBER IS 50, 60, 70 MILLION. IT'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH AND WE HAVE TO BUILD TO. IT WON'T BE A RANGE AT THAT TIME. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THERE'S NOT IT'S GREAT FOR COMPARISON AND TAKING A LOOK AT THINGS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU GUYS WILL SET THAT BUDGET FOR US AND WE'LL HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT BUDGET. THE PINNACLE TIFF WILL HELP PAY FOR THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT MIKE BASED HIS FINDINGS ON AND HOW MUCH THAT WE COULD AFFORD WHEN HE PRESENTED THAT TO COUNCIL, THAT PINNACLE TIFF CAN BE USED FOR OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS AS WELL, NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, BUT I THINK LAST YEAR'S COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WAS IN FAVOR OF USING IT ALL TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY CENTER. BUT HOWEVER THAT SHAKES OUT, IT WILL BE A BUDGET THAT IS SET BY THIS GROUP HERE. SO WE WON'T BUILD TO A RANGE THAT YOU'VE SEEN. WE WON'T BUILD TO CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN. WE'LL BUILD TO AN ACTUAL DESIGN INTO A BUDGET. THE SECOND THING I WOULD ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT IS, IS PLANNING ANOTHER COMPLICATED THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF [00:55:03] A LOT OF DIFFERENT ONES OPERATIONAL, PRO FORMA. THIS CAN GET CONFUSING AS WELL, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AS A PLANNING DOCUMENT, NOT A LIVING GUIDE, NOT NECESSARILY THE FINAL PRODUCT. WHENEVER THERE IS A CHANGE IN PROGRAMING SPACE, WHETHER THAT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WHATEVER, THE SPACE WAS DESIGNED FOR LEVELS OF SERVICE. WHENEVER THERE IS A CHANGE, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE PRO FORMA AS WELL TO UPDATE IT. SO TO GIVE YOU A QUICK REAL LIFE EXAMPLE, I MADE A PRESENTATION IN MARCH EARLIER THIS COUPLE MONTHS AGO REGARDING OUR CURRENT PRO FORMA. IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS ACCURATE. IT WAS GOOD INFORMATION AT THE TIME. HOWEVER, THAT HAS NOW CHANGED AND IS OUTDATED. AND SO NOW WE'VE WE'VE JUST EVEN WORKING WITH PEZZUTTI, WE'VE UPDATED THAT PROFORMA. IN FACT, WE WENT THROUGH 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT VERSIONS WITH PEZZUTTI AS I WORKED WITH ASHLEY TO CREATE THIS. THE REASON FOR THE CHANGES COULD BE ANYTHING. ONE THE ONE MAJOR CHANGE JUST FOR YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IS PART TIME WAGES. THE PRESENTATION I DID IN MARCH WAS BASED OFF AN AVERAGE PART TIME WAGE OF $18 AN HOUR. WE JUST HEARD 161 BEING READ FOR A FIRST READING, AND IN THERE THERE COULD BE AN INCREASE OF PART TIME WAGES STARTING NOT AT $15 AN HOUR, BUT AT $20 AN HOUR. SO WE'VE REVITALIZED THAT PRO FORMA TO REFLECT AN AVERAGE PART TIME WAGE OF $23 AN HOUR. THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM 18. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND. THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGING. SO WE'LL ALWAYS TRY TO CONTINUE TO GIVE YOU THE MOST UP TO DATE PRO FORMA THERE IS. PLEASE DON'T GET CONFUSED LOOKING AT OLD PAST ONES, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH MEANING AS THEY DO NOW AS THEY DID AT THAT TIME. IN ADDITION TO THAT, OUR PHILOSOPHY HAS BEEN BASED ON BUILDING THIS PRO FORMA ON A COST RECOVERY TARGET OF 75%. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT ARE BUILT BY CITIES TRY TO FOCUS ON. THEY SEE IT AS AN INVESTMENT, A FURTHER COMMUNITY INVESTMENT, AND AND BEING OPEN FOR ALL AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO COME AND BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THE MEMBERSHIP FEES LIE WITH ABOVE AND BEYOND THINGS THAT LIKE FITNESS. AQUATIC CENTER AND. AND POTENTIALLY IF YOU NEED CHILD WATCH, THOSE ARE WORTH SOME ADDITIONAL FEES COME INTO PLAY. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL. WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING AT 75%, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WILL NEED A SUBSIDY FROM THE CITY FINANCE COMMITTEE WENT OVER THIS AND REVIEWED REALLY THOROUGHLY, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THAT WE DO A TAX INCREASE TO HELP PAY FOR THE OPERATING, NOT THE CAPITAL, BUT FOR THE OPERATING. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT TAX INCREASE DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE THIS NOVEMBER. IT CAN TAKE PLACE AT ANY TIME BEFORE WE'RE OPEN, OBVIOUSLY, AS THAT'S WHEN IT WILL COME INTO INTO PLAY. BUT THE TAX INCREASE MAY BE SOMETHING FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AS WELL FROM OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS AND OTHER NEEDS OF THE CITY. SO THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TO POINT OUT TO YOU. THOSE DECISIONS ULTIMATELY REST WITH COLLABORATION BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND THIS COUNCIL. THE THIRD THING I'D ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT, AND I REALLY LIKE THIS PART, IS VISION. SO I'VE BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH IN MY CAREER TO BE A PART OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAPITAL PROJECTS, COMMUNITY CENTERS, BIG AND SMALL, ATHLETIC RENOVATION OF ATHLETIC COMPLEXES, EXPANDING PARKS AND OPPORTUNITIES, SHELTERS WITHIN PARKS, LOTS OF GREEN SPACE IMPROVEMENTS, AND EVEN STATE OF THE ART ATHLETIC FIELDS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE LEARNED A MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING REACTIVE AND BEING PROACTIVE HAS ALMOST ALWAYS COME DOWN TO VISION. IF YOU BEGIN WITH THE END IN MIND, SOME OF THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS BECOME A LITTLE BIT EASIER. AND WHAT I MEAN BY VISION IS LOOKING BEYOND TODAY'S NEEDS, NOT BUILDING JUST FOR TODAY, BUT WHAT DECISIONS WILL MATTER IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, 40 YEARS, THOSE DECADES. AND SO PIZZUTI GAVE YOU A DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK LAST WEEK. I TOOK THAT FRAMEWORK, AND I JUST WANT TO CONVERT IT INTO SOME QUESTIONS. FIVE INTENTIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON TO HELP MAKE THIS DIFFICULT DECISION. DOES THIS OPTION, WHATEVER WE CHOOSE, PROVIDE FUTURE LEADERS THAT ARE SITTING IN YOUR SEATS AND THE MAYOR'S SEAT FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY'LL NEED TO ADAPT TO WHATEVER COMES ALONG IN THOSE [01:00:03] TIMES? I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. RECREATION TRENDS CHANGE. ARE WE BUILDING THIS COMMUNITY CENTER TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR THAT TYPE OF CHANGE? A QUICK EXAMPLE IS IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS 25 YEARS AGO, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD BE BUILDING PICKLEBALL INDOOR PICKLEBALL SPACE IN OUR PLAN TODAY. YOU CAN'T GET BY WITHOUT DOING THAT. SO RECREATION TRENDS CHANGE. SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING IS THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH AND HAVE SPACES IN THERE THAT WE CAN CHANGE TO MEET THE THE DIFFERENT NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 30 YEARS FROM NOW, DOES THE BUILDING PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION? WE'VE SEEN, AGAIN, REAL LIFE EXAMPLES FROM OUR NEIGHBORS IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'VE BUILT A COMMUNITY CENTER YEARS AGO, AND THEN THEY'VE RENOVATED 2 OR 3 TIMES SINCE THEN, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO TAKE PLACE. YOU HAVE TO KEEP REINVESTING IN, IN YOUR COMMUNITY CENTER AND ADAPTING AND EVOLVING IT. SO I THINK THAT WHERE WE BUILD IT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND THAT FOR FUTURE. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A THIRD PARTY VENDOR IN THERE, WHETHER THAT IS A HOSPITAL OR A HEALTH AGENCY, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL, IS WHAT WE'RE BUILDING, PROVIDING SPACE FOR THAT THIRD PARTY VENDOR AND THAT THIRD PARTY VENDOR GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE LAST COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A ROLE OF PARKS AND REC TO. ONE OF OUR PRIMARY ROLES IS TO CONTINUOUSLY IMPROVE COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON. WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT HELP IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. AND SO ULTIMATELY, IS THIS BUILDING GOING TO DO THAT? THAT'S ONE QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LAND ON. THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY ALL HAVE ANSWERS AND THAT WE CAN GET TO ANSWERS QUICKLY WITH THEM. AND TONIGHT, I JUST HOPE THAT THIS HELPS WITH THE DECISION MAKING FRAMEWORK. BEFORE I, YOU KNOW, TURN THIS OVER TO JIM AND HIS TEAM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, I JUST I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE REMEMBER THE MOST ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE BIGGEST OR THE MOST EXPENSIVE. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY SHOW THAT LEADERS TOOK TIME TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AT THE RIGHT TIME. AND SO I THINK THIS IS A BIG DECISION. IT'S A DIFFICULT DECISION. MY HOPE IS THAT 30 YEARS FROM NOW, PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE DECISION MAKING PROGRESS OR PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEMORIES THEY MADE IN THIS FACILITY, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT PARKS AND RECREATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT, CREATING PLACES THAT CREATE COMMUNITY. WE STAND READY TO DO WHATEVER DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL DECIDES, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER NOW. IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'LL TURN THEM OVER TO JIM. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR MR. CASTLE. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING FORTH, MR. CASTLE, AND PROVIDING A REALLY GREAT FRAMEWORK FOR EVERYBODY TO THINK ABOUT. AND I AGREE, I'VE BEEN ALONG THE JOURNEY WITH THE PARK BOARD FOR THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE MANY MEETINGS, HOURS AND TIME FRAME EVEN BEFORE THAT TIME, AND PAST COUNCILS AS WELL WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP AGAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A FEASIBILITY STUDY IN 2013 AND 2024. WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVIDING ALL OF THAT. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I KNOW THAT HAS COME UP HAS BEEN AROUND SILVER SNEAKERS, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ASKED LAST TIME AND UNDERSTANDABLY, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THAT. BUT AS A DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND REC, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT ON WITH SILVER SNEAKERS OR HOW WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE THAT IF A DIRECTION IS CHOSEN, THAT IT IS A STANDALONE, CITY OWNED AND OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTER, WHEREAS THE Y WOULD HAVE SILVER SNEAKERS AT THEIR FACILITY. WELL, SILVER SNEAKERS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM, AND I'M HAPPY THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. MY PARENTS ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AS WELL, BUT THERE'S OTHER COMPETING ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE. UNITED HEALTHCARE HAS HAS ONE, AND THERE'S OTHERS OUT THERE THAT ARE EMERGING AND RISING RIGHT NOW. SILVER SNEAKERS WILL BE A PART OF THIS PROGRAM ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SILVER SNEAKERS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. ACCESS IS IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO BE OPEN FOR ALL. AND THIS IS ONE WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, MR. CASTLE. YOU MENTIONED IN ONE OF YOUR POINTS ABOUT THE INCOME TAX THAT MR. TURNER MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION AND COME OUT OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AS WELL. BUT DURING THE PRESENTATION LAST AT THE SPECIAL MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE WE MIGHT NOT NEED THAT SUBSIDY. THERE WAS SOME [01:05:05] SOME IN THE NUMBERS. SO AGAIN, WE'VE REVISED IT. WE'RE ALWAYS CONTINUOUSLY REVISING IT. AND I THINK WE I WORKED WITH ASHLEY OVER THE WEEKEND, EVEN SENDING EMAILS TO ASSURE THAT THAT PRO FORMA IS ACCURATE AND REFLECTS ACCURATELY TO OUR LATEST VERSION OF OUR PRO FORMA. AND WE WILL NEED A SUBSIDY OF ABOUT $1 MILLION. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING. I JUST KNOW THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ON THAT. SO AS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S CAN BE A LOT OF CONFUSION ON LOTS OF SUBJECTS ON THIS BIG TOPIC. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS, JACK. SO, JIM, I HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS TOO. YEAH. AND DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR MR. CASTLE? EITHER ONE OF YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR EXPLANATION AND FOR TALKING TO US TODAY. I LOVE THAT YOU BRING UP ACCESS AND VISION. I THINK THOSE TWO WORDS REALLY STICK OUT TO ME. TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR VISION FOR WARD FIVE, SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO BROOK PARK, AND WHAT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S VISION, THE DEPARTMENT'S VISION. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP A VISION FOR BROOK PARK WHEN WE ARE AT LEASE AND IT'S A SHORT TERM LEASE. WE HAVE WONDERFUL IDEAS. WE'VE PRESENTED THEM TO A PREVIOUS COUNCIL, I THINK IN 23, WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED SOME IDEAS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THE GREEN SPACE OVER AT BROOK PARK, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR COUNCIL TO COMMIT MONEY TO THAT WHEN IT'S A SHORT TERM LEASE. SO I THINK THEY'VE TAKEN A STEP BACK FROM THAT. WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT LEASE AGREEMENT, AND I THINK CHUCK HAS REPORTED THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED. SOUTHWESTERN'S NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING THAT PROPERTY, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LEASE. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IF I GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT OF OUR MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SEVERAL AREAS IN WARD FIVE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL PROGRAMING IN. WE WOULD LIKE TO TO SEE A GREEN SPACE PARK IN THAT AREA FOR SURE, BUT WE HAVE PLENTY OF IDEAS. WE'RE NOT SHORT OF IDEAS AND THINGS TO DO AT BROOK PARK. YEAH. THANK YOU. I THINK I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SHARE THAT, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT THROUGHOUT THAT CONVERSATION. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME DURING THIS REPORT, AND MAYBE THIS IS DIRECTED MORE TO I'LL BRING IT BACK UP LATER. WAS THAT ABOUT 58% OF THE CITY IS ABOUT A TEN MINUTE DRIVE. AND THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS, WHAT ABOUT THE REMAINING 42%? RIGHT. AND WHERE ARE THEY LOCATED? AND HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS POTENTIAL COMMUNITY CENTER? GREAT QUESTIONS, GREAT QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK TO THAT SOME OF OUR PARKS HAVE BIKE HUBS. AND I THINK THAT THIS WHEREVER WE PUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT COULD BE, I ALSO THINK THAT THERE'S LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS THAT NEED TO TAKE PLACE WITH CODA AND, AND PERHAPS HAVING I KNOW WE HAVE CODA PLUS WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE IT ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT I THINK A BUS STOP LOCATED BY OUR COMMUNITY CENTER IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. AND EVEN JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT TO ABOUT AND WHAT JACK JUST SAID ABOUT CODA, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE DISCUSSION OF THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS, IS MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS EQUITABLE ACCESS, AND HOW COULD WE EXPAND OUR CODA PROGRAM? I'M NOT AN EXPERT TO TALK ON THE CODA PROGRAM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE ONE OF THE CHAMPION SUBURBS, I GUESS, IF YOU WILL, WITH CODA FOR THE CODA PLUS PROGRAM. AND I THINK THAT IS A BIG DEAL THAT WE NEED TO STAND ON AS GROVE CITY. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT AND INCORPORATE CODA PLUS FURTHER TOWARDS A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTER. SO I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT IS THE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBERS OF OUR PARKS AND REC BUDGET, BUT WHAT IS OUR CURRENT PARKS AND REC BUDGET AT THIS POINT OR THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THIS YEAR, DO YOU RECALL? SO IT'S ALL OVER THE BOOK. OKAY, SO IT'S IT'S NOT ALL IN ONE PLACE. I THINK MIKE TURNER MIGHT BE A BETTER ANSWER TO IT, BUT IT'S BETWEEN 4 AND 5 MILLION IS WHAT I WOULD STATE. AND OKAY, OKAY. AND I KNOW, AND THIS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND FOR MR. BOZO. I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP HERE. YOU BROUGHT IT UP, JACK, ABOUT THE PINNACLE TIFF. WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS ALREADY LEGISLATION PUT INTO PLACE TO EXTEND THE PINNACLE TIFF TO HELP WITH THE CAPITAL OF THIS OF THIS PIECE. IF IT IF IT WAS A CITY OWNED BUILDING. AND WE KNOW THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE DISCUSSION WITHIN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, BUT I WAS NOT ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT EVEN WITH THE COST RECOVERY MODEL AND NEEDING THE MILLION DOLLARS, THAT IF THAT NEEDED TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO PUT ON A TAX INCREASE INCOME TAX INCREASE ON THE BALLOT, JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND I THINK YOU HAD KIND OF SAID, MR. CASTLE, THAT [01:10:03] OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE A BUDGET SET FOR THE BUILD, THE PARKS AND REC AND THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD WORK WITHIN THAT BUDGET. BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY. AND MR. BOWSER, MAYBE YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT. THERE IS FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE KNOW WE CAN'T USE THE TIF MONEY OR THE CAP, YOU KNOW, FOR OPERATIONS, BUT THERE IS MONEY IN IN THE GENERAL FUND THAT COULD BE USED TO OFFSET. WE KNOW MEMBERSHIPS AND, AND AS WE SEE AS IT WOULD LEVEL OUT OVER SO MANY YEARS OF HAVING MEMBERSHIPS, BUT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IN A DIRECTION WITHOUT HAVING TO DIRECTLY TIE THIS TO AN INCOME TAX INCREASE. IS THAT CORRECT? MAYBE ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION ABOUT HIS HIS BUDGET IN TERMS OF HOW IT AFFECTS THE GENERAL FUND IS APPROVED BUDGET OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WAS $4,971,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET OF $60 MILLION. IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED AN INCOME TAX TO RUN THE OPERATION? OBVIOUSLY, WITH $60 MILLION, YOU CAN CERTAINLY CUT OTHER THINGS. IT WOULD TAKE A CUT IN PERSONNEL. OF COURSE, THERE'S OUR BIGGEST EXPENSE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE WE'RE A CITY OF $45,000. AND RIGHT NOW, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WE'RE APPROPRIATING APPROXIMATELY $912 MILLION A YEAR IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. IT SHOULD BE DOUBLE THAT. SO AS WE AS WE WOULD TAKE MONEY FROM THE THE GENERAL FUND, OTHER THINGS WOULD DECLINE, ESPECIALLY IN IN IN THE WAY OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. NEXT THING WOULD CERTAINLY BE PERSONNEL WOULD START DECLINING. DO WE NEED NEED AN INCOME TAX FOR A SUBSIDY FOR FOR GOOD MANAGEMENT OPERATION? I WOULD SAY YES FOR A GOOD CITY PLANNING IN TERMS OF TO MAKE THE THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED, I WOULD SAY YES. AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $11 MILLION IN REVENUE OF FOR A HALF A PERCENT INCREASE. AND THOSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ARE RETIRED, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU AT ALL. YOUR RETIREMENT, YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY, THE INDIVIDUALS IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS OR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, I THINK THERE'S 11 OR 12 OF THEM NOW THAT HAVE 2.5% INCOME TAX. YOU'RE ALREADY PAYING THAT. WE DON'T GET $0.01 FROM THAT. IT'S NOT GOING TO COST YOU ANYTHING. SO IN IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT INCOME TAX, IT'S A LARGER QUESTION THAN JUST THE RECREATION CENTER. THANK YOU. IF I IF I COULD, MISS ANDERSON, THE OTHER PARTS OF THAT WHOLE PICTURE IS THE OHIO LEGISLATURE IS HONING IN ON PROPERTY TAXES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT A BIG PART OF OUR INCOME STREAM, IT STILL HAS AN IMPACT ON US BECAUSE OF INSIDE MILLAGE. THEY'RE GOING TO PROBABLY RAISE THE PER OR THE POLICE RETIREMENT TO 24%. AND THAT'S A MAJOR HIT FOR US. SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT US. AND WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND THOSE, BECAUSE IT WILL COME OVERNIGHT, MOST OF IT. AND AGAIN, THAT REVENUE THAT COMES AS THE MAYOR WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THAT COMES FROM PROPERTY TAXES. IT'S IT'S DIVIDED INTO THE GENERAL FUND, THE BOND RETIREMENT FUND, AND THE POLICE PENSION FUND. SO OUR CHARTER SAYS WE CAN HAVE FOUR MILLS FOR DEBT SERVICE, THREE MILLS FOR OPERATION. RIGHT NOW, 1.3 MILLS OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT COUNTS TOWARDS OPERATION 0.8. MILL IS GOING TO THE POLICE PENSION FUND, WHICH AMOUNT? THE POLICE PENSION FUND COMING OUT OF THE PROPERTY TAX IS $1.5 MILLION, SO PER YEAR. SO AS THAT INCREASES, REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND THEN DECREASES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MISS RUSSELL. ALL RIGHT. ONE THING I WANT TO I WANT TO ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING TONIGHT, FOLKS. I DON'T WANT TO JUST HAVE THIS KEEP ROLLING THIS THING OVER AND OVER. SO IF YOU WOULD ASK MR. RUSSELL YOUR QUESTIONS RELATING TO WHAT? REDOING THE Y BUILDING AND A CITY OWNED PROPERTY. AND BECAUSE AT THE END OF THIS, I WANT TO GO DOWN THE LINE AND I WANT TO KNOW I WANT TO KNOW TWO THINGS. I WANT TO KNOW. ARE WE STILL ON A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED YMCA? AND WHERE DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT? ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO KNOW THAT BY THE END OF THIS MEETING. AND THEN AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE CAN ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO DRAFT THE PROPER LEGISLATION AFTER THEY MEET WITH THE Y AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO. I KNOW THAT MAYOR WANTS TO MEET WITH THE Y AND TALK ABOUT THEIR LETTER. AM I CORRECT, MAYOR? YEAH. THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LETTER TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME IF THERE'S PROGRAMMATIC THINGS, IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO COLLABORATE ON, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO IF WE COULD KEEP THAT STRUCTURE, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING MR. RUSSELL, THE THE QUESTIONS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I REALLY [01:15:03] WANT TO GET YOUR ANSWERS HERE AND THEN LET'S MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND LET'S HIT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, HAVE THIS STUFF. LET'S MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE'VE BATTED THIS AROUND LONG ENOUGH. SO. MR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY RIGHT NOW, OR DO YOU WANT US TO GO RIGHT INTO QUESTIONS? WELL, I THINK JUST BRIEFLY TO CONFIRM A LITTLE BIT WHAT JACK HAD MENTIONED, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CONCEPTUAL NUMBERS, CONCEPTUAL APPROACHES. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU WILL ESTABLISH A BUDGET THAT EITHER PROJECT EITHER DIRECTION HAS TO FOCUS ON, AND THAT'S THE LIMIT OF WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO PUT INTO THE PROJECT. AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH TWEAKING OF THE PROGRAMS, ALL OF THE ITEMS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE MAINTAINING A FLEXIBLE BUILDING THAT CAN LAST FOR THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT BOTH THE DESIGN BUT ALSO THE COST OF THAT. SO WE'VE DEALT WITH RANGES, BUT ONCE YOU ESTABLISH THE BUDGET, THEN YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE YOU'RE MEETING THE BUDGET. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE COST RECOVERY ALSO IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN OUR SLIDE. THAT'S WHY WE HAD A LITTLE CONFUSION BECAUSE WHEN WE PULLED THE NUMBERS DOWN, IT FAILED TO PULL FULL TIME ASSOCIATES. SO THE DIFFERENCE IS STILL THE SAME. ABOUT $80,000 IN DIFFERENCE IS JUST ABOUT ANOTHER 980 000 WORTH OF STAFF COSTS. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MILLION DOLLARS, AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT JUST THE SUBSIDY THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR, IT WORKED WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, IS BASED ON A 75% COST RECOVERY. AND YOU CAN ANTICIPATE, IF YOU DO NOTHING MORE THAN HIT THAT 75%, ABOUT $1 MILLION A YEAR SUBSIDY. IN EITHER APPROACH. IT IS IMPORTANT, THOUGH. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE FROM A COST RECOVERY. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU TO CHANGE THAT MODEL. AND DEPENDING ON YOUR MEMBERSHIP RATES, SINCE THE TIME THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT THE DECISION MADE BY COUNCIL WAS TO LOOK AT OFFERING AS MEMBERSHIPS TO GROVE CITY RESIDENTS, JACKSON TOWNSHIP RESIDENTS AND EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT LIVE HERE, THAT OPENS UP THAT POOL OF POTENTIAL MEMBERSHIPS QUITE LARGE. AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE BETTER THAT COST RECOVERY IS ALWAYS WHAT YOU WANT TO STRIVE FOR. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, OPERATING BUDGETS ARE GOING TO BE BASED ON THE COST OF OPERATIONS, THE COST OF YOUR REVENUE. THINK OF IT AS YOUR NET OPERATING INCOME. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ADJUST. THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT PARTNER SPACE AND THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE, THAT'S A CAPITAL ENHANCEMENT THAT WOULD COME TO THE VILLAGE OR TO THE CITY. NOT ONLY IS IT POTENTIALLY PROVIDING PROGRAM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO BE USED AS COUNCIL WOULD SEE FIT AND THE ADMINISTRATION. SO THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE CONSTANTLY GOING TO WORK ON. WHATEVER MODEL THAT YOU LOOK TO ADVANCE. THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITIES TO THINK ABOUT. SO I THINK I TRIED TO CAPTURE ON MY OTHER COMMENT ON SILVERSNEAKERS, OUR UNDERSTANDING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT THEY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE THAT IN MULTIPLE FACILITIES WITHIN A COMMUNITY, MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE MEDICARE OFFERING FREE ACCESS TO GYMNASIUMS. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AGREEMENT THAT THE. YOU MAY HAVE, BUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IT IS SHARED. YOU CAN GO TO ONE FACILITY ON ONE DAY AND ANOTHER, DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAM AND WHAT'S ACTIVE. BUT THAT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. WE DID TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH FOR YOU IN THE INTERIM. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS OF COUNCIL RELATING TO THESE TOPICS. IF YOU HAVE NONE, THAT'S FINE TOO. MAYOR. WELL, I THE REASON THAT JACK SPOKE EARLIER, OTHER THAN BRINGING COUNCIL UP TO DATE, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE. MATTER OF FACT, I GOT BANNED AT ONE TIME FOR SAYING IT AS MANAGING EXPECTATIONS. AND IN A SCENARIO, THE CURRENT GROCERY PROGRAM THAT WAS OUTLINED LAST MONDAY WAS 125,000FT■!S, AND I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LAST WEEK. BUT THIS IS A CASE OF MANAGING EXPECTATION. WE KNOW THAT THE TIF IS GOING TO GENERATE BETWEEN 70 AND $80 MILLION. SO WHEN YOU BACK INTO WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO PAY IN ORDER TO MEET 125,000FT■!S, YOU GOT A BIG GAP 20 TO $30 MILLION. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE RESET THE STAGE AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, TO WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, AND IT PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO BE 125,000FT■!S UNLESS WE HAVE THE TAX INITIATIVE. WELL, UNLESS YOU UNLESS YOU BOND OUT ON A TAX ISSUE, THE AMOUNT TO BUILD 125,000FT■!S. BUT THAT'S ONE CLARITY I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET ACROSS. YEAH, IT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT DOING AT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE ADVANCING YOUR DESIGN. YOU'RE GOING TO DO A VALIDATION OF YOUR PROGRAM. SO THE IDEA IS [01:20:02] TO TAKE THE REVISED PROGRAM, AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT AS TIGHT AS IT CAN BE AND AS FLEXIBLE AS IT CAN BE. AND THEN WE'LL BE WORKING TO TRY TO GET TO WHERE THAT COST WOULD BE. AND IF YOU HAVE TO REDUCE SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR CHANGE THE ALLOCATION TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE FLEXIBLE THAN YOU WOULD DO THAT TO BACK INTO YOUR CONSTRUCTION NUMBER, HOW MUCH SPACE YOU CAN AFFORD TO BUILD FOR THE BUDGET THAT YOU SET. YOU COULD ALWAYS INCREASE THE BUDGET. IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAMMATIC PIECE AND YOU SAY WE'RE ADDING PARTNER SPACE, MAYBE THAT FREES UP ADDITIONAL REVENUE, THEN YOUR PROGRAM WILL ADJUST BASED ON THE BUDGET THAT YOU SET AND THE OTHER OUTSIDE REVENUE. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WORKED WITH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THIS IS THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER FUNDS TO BE RAISED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER COMMUNITY CENTERS. WE HAVE HAD FOUNDATIONS OR THE COMMUNITY SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO STEP UP. AND WITH AREA BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS, CONTRIBUTE A PORTION FOR NAMING RIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT CAN OFFSET YOUR REVENUE. SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF MODELS THAT WHEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY ADVANCING THE PROGRAM, THAT WILL FACTOR INTO YOUR YOUR BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS. OKAY. QUESTIONS REGARDING THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. WELL, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF COUNCIL DECIDED TO PURSUE A PARTNERSHIP. LIKE HOW, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, YOUR OPPORTUNITY, THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU CAN SELL TO THE FOLKS WHO WILL BE CONTRIBUTING. SO I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE HOW BIG THAT PARTNER SPACE COULD BE. IT'S JUST LIMITED WITHOUT HAVING TO GET INTO THE SITE, GET INTO MORE PARKING, GET INTO SOME OF THE ROADWAY. SO THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE EXAMPLES. YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE EXPANSION ON THE PINNACLE SITE. YOU STILL HAVE ROOM TO DO IT AT FRIAR PARK. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE LIMITED. THE OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS FOR NAMING RIGHTS, THAT'S JUST DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WOULD WORK THAT ANY AGREEMENT. YES, I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. WELL, FIRST, I DO WANT TO SAY AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE TEAM FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE WORKED ON PULLING THIS TOGETHER. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AGAIN TONIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF FUTURE EXPANSION OR EVEN THIRD PARTY VENDOR SPACE, IN THE PRESENTATION FROM LAST WEEK WHERE YOU SHOWED THE CONCEPT OF THE YMCA AT FRIAR PARK OF THE EXPANDED YMCA COMMUNITY CENTER ONE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE LOSING THE OUTDOOR POOL TO BECOME THE INDOOR POOL. I BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED THAT REALLY AT THE WAY THAT THE SITE IS AND THE WAY YOU'D HAVE TO KIND OF POSITION THIS AND BUILD THIS TO EXPAND IT, THAT THERE ISN'T OPPORTUNITY TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, UNLESS WE THEN CHANGE UP KIND OF THE ROAD WITH THAT CIRCLE ROAD KIND OF GOING AROUND, TORE UP THE ROAD, TORE UP EITHER THE PLAYGROUND BEHIND OR THE SPLASH SPLASH PAD. CORRECT. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE ENHANCEMENTS AND CHANGES IN ORDER TO EXPAND ANY FURTHER. CORRECT. YEAH. AND WHERE YOU WOULD EXPAND IS A CHALLENGE. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF EVEN IF YOU REMEMBER BACK IN THE SITE SELECTION, PART OF THE REVIEW OF THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY EXPANDING THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT INCONVENIENT AND NOT AS EFFICIENT AS IT SHOULD BE. SO WE HAD SHOWN A SEPARATE BUILDING BEING BUILT ON THE FIELDS TO THE NORTH, AND THEN SOME EXPANDED AQUATICS TO MEET IT. SO YOU DO HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS OF THE SITE WITHOUT STARTING OVER IN SOME ASPECTS WHERE YOU WOULD EXPAND THIS IN THE INTEGRATED PLAN IS PROBABLY BEHIND THE GYM SPACES. THE OTHER ANGLES ARE JUST REALLY TOUGH. YOU HAVE ABOUT, WE THINK ABOUT 2500FT■!S THAT YU COULD ADD TO THE OSU SPACE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE LIMIT UNLESS YOU TRY TO GO TWO STORIES, WHICH WOULD BECOME EVEN MORE INEFFICIENT. OKAY. SO OKAY. AND THEN I THINK IN ADDITION, SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE THIRD PARTY AS WELL, PARTNER THAT IS THERE IN THE PRESENTATION AND THE CONCEPT FROM LAST WEEK, IS THERE STILL SPACE FOR THAT PARTNER THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS? YES. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ABOUT 2500FT■!S BEFORE YOU GET INTO TE PARKING AND KIND OF DISRUPTION OF THAT END OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. THEN FOR THE OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WAS THE STANDALONE, THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR FUTURE EXPANSION, AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR THIRD PARTY VENDOR SPACING, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO THERE'S POTENTIAL EXPANSION WOULD GO IF YOU'RE ON THE WELL BOTH TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH OF THAT BUILDING IN A RECTANGLE. SO, YES, MR. HOLT, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS OR NOT. SOME MIGHT BE COMMENTS. SO YMCA IS 45,000FT■!S, ROUGHLY. AND WHAT DID WE SAY WAS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION COST FOR COMMUNITY CENTER $500 A SQUARE FOOT. YEAH. CONSTRUCTION COST? YES. CONSTRUCTION PROJECT COST. OKAY. THAT GETS ME A 20. THAT MEANS EXISTING $22 MILLION BUILDING. AND THEN IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION, YOU SHOW THAT THAT BUILDING NEEDS 5 TO $7 MILLION WORTH OF UPGRADES RIGHT NOW. YEAH, 3 TO 5, I THINK WAS THE NUMBER THAT [01:25:08] COMES BETWEEN THE 14 AND THE $15 MILLION THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO GET THE YMCA, WHICH MEANS 20 OR 30% OF THAT VALUE IS ALREADY DEPRECIATED AND GONE. WE'RE GETTING NOTHING FOR THAT. 20 TO 30% OF OUR $15 MILLION. WE'RE JUST BRINGING THE BUILDING UP TO WHERE IT SHOULD BE NOW. BUT IT'S NOT. SO TO ME, THEN, THAT GETS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO PLANS TO ABOUT $10 MILLION, $9 MILLION, AND THEY'RE ALL ESTIMATES IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND IT COULD BE ACTUALLY WORSE THAN THAT. SO TO ME, THE NUMBERS, I DON'T SEE ANY MAJOR FINANCIAL DIFFERENCE FOR TAKING ON THAT OLD BUILDING AND FIXING IT UP AND THEN MAKING IT INTO A ZOMBIE CONFIGURATION THAT HAS NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION. SO AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M YOU'LL BE ASKED THIS LATER. I'LL BE A PROPONENT FOR THE EXPANSION AND, AND A CITY OWNED FACILITY. AND LESS THAN 125 000. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I MEANT TO SAY THERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STICKS TO ME IS THAT THE BUILDING ALREADY NEEDS SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES, AND I DON'T LIKE IT BEING PART OF MY NEW COMMUNITY CENTER INVESTMENT JUST TO GET THE BUILDING UP TO STANDARDS. NOW, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WAS IN THERE. THAT'S. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. RUSSELL? I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR FRIAR PARK WITH. WE LOSE THAT OUTDOOR POOL. WHAT. THIS IS GOING TO BE A SEAT OF THE PANTS GUESTS, BUT OLYMPIC SIZE OUTDOOR POOL COST TO CONSTRUCT. THAT'S NOT IN HERE TO JUST BUILD. I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE PAGE. YEAH, JUST LOOK TO PUT IN A OUTSIDE POOL AT THE FRIAR PARK LOCATION. OKAY, SO IF YOU ARE REBUILDING THE OUTDOOR POOL, EVERYTHING WAS EVERYTHING WAS DONE, BUT YOU JUST BUILT A NEW OUTDOOR POOL. YEAH. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PULL A LOT OF RESEARCH AND THERE'S A BIG RANGE IN PRICING FOR POOLS RIGHT NOW, DEPENDING ON THE EQUIPMENT, THE SIZE, THE DECK, IF IT'S ENCLOSED OR NOT, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT DONE. IF YOU HAVE SOME NUMBERS THAT YOU CAN SHARE. YES. SINCE WE MET LAST DON, WE'VE SINCE WE MET LAST, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH. AND ONE OF THE FACILITIES WE'VE BEEN RESEARCHING IS THE NEW WORTHINGTON FACILITY. BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, WE WOULD SAY OUTDOOR POOLS, PROBABLY. WE'RE LOOKING AT 400 TO 450 A SQUARE FOOT FOR OUTDOOR POOL SPACE. AND WORTHINGTON'S CASE, THEY'RE BUILDING FOUR SEPARATE WATER SPACES. EACH ONE HAS ITS OWN FILTRATION AND PUMP SYSTEMS AND SO FORTH, AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF OUTDOOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE PART OF THAT COST. BUT IN ROUGH TERMS, 400 TO 450 A SQUARE FOOT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE THE THE DECKS, THE WATER SURFACE ITSELF, ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SUPPORT BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO FOR OLYMPIC SIZED SWIMMING POOL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT? IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY LANES REALLY EIGHT LANES STANDARD. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK SO. WORTHINGTON'S INDOOR NATATORIUM IS TEN LANES AND IT'S AROUND 11,300FT■!S. THAT'S THEIR INDOOR FACILITY. NOW THEIR OUTDOOR FACILITY IS MUCH LARGER. THERE ARE THREE POOLS, 5 MILLION BUCKS ARE 22,900FT■!S. WE'RE LOOKING FOR 4 TO $5 MILLION FOR A GOOD SIZE. OH, EASILY. OKAY. YEAH, EASILY. AND THERE'S PROBABLY AN ECONOMY OF SCALE. OKAY. ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY IT. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. OKAY. NO, HE'S HE'S GOT. SO I'M GOING TO GO ON PAGE 14 OF THE OF YOUR SLIDES. SO IN THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM WHERE YOU'VE GOT YOUR NUMBERS LAID OUT THERE, WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE, THE, THE ARRANGEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE, AND THE Y? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OWNING THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MAKE, YOU KNOW, OVER OVERALL GOVERNANCE IS IN THAT IN THE INTEGRATED PROGRAM, AS YOU PUT IT TOGETHER HERE IS THE Y SIMPLY BEING CONTRACTED TO PROVIDE STAFFING [01:30:07] AND SERVICES, OR IS IT IS IT STILL THE Y? AND WHAT'S THE ACTUAL ARRANGEMENT THAT, AS YOU SAW IT WHEN YOU WERE. SO PART OF WHAT WE DID IN OUR DISCUSSIONS TO Y WAS Y IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON THE REPLACEMENT OF COST OF THE CITY TO BEING A CONTRACTOR TO THE CITY TO PROVIDE SERVICES, WHICH WOULD BE AQUATICS AND WHAT THEY HAD PROPOSED BACK AQUATICS, CHILD WATCH AND FITNESS AS THE KEY AREA. AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER FACILITY LEADERS AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. WE MOVED THOSE TWO OUT AND BACK INTO THE GROVE CITY SIDE OF THE EQUATION, BUT IT WAS REALLY CONTEMPLATED AS A THIRD PARTY MANAGEMENT ARRANGEMENT THAT STILL HAD A LOT OF WORK TO BE NEGOTIATED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, JUST BECAUSE THE GOVERNANCE APPROACH, THE MANAGEMENT, THE THE APPEARANCE OF WHOSE MEMBERSHIP WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, THAT IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, TO HAVE A GROVE CITY MEMBERSHIP WITH THE SIMILAR SECURITY, AND THEN THEY WOULD GO INTO AN AREA THAT WOULD BE OPERATED. SO IT WAS VERY HIGH LEVEL. IT WAS MAINLY TO TRY TO CAPTURE THE POTENTIAL COST. IT WAS NOT A FULL NEGOTIATION, OF COURSE. OF COURSE, A LOT OF WORK JUST TO TO MANAGE WHAT YOU'D WANT. SO, SO AT THAT HIGH, AT THAT HIGH LEVEL, IT'S GROVE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED OR GROVE CITY CONTROLLED CONTRACTING WITH THE Y FOR CERTAIN POTENTIALLY THAT'S TO BE NEGOTIATED. BUT THAT WAS THE STRUCTURE. THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW YOU COULD GET A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED AND STILL BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ARRANGEMENT. OKAY. BUT WHO OWNED WHO OWNED THE BUILDING? WELL, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED IN THE DISCUSSION. WE WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU WOULD YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THE BUILDING THAT HAD NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, FINALIZED AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE THE COSTS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE OPERATING COSTS, THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, REALLY VERY SIMILAR, VERY SIMILAR. SO IT'S NOT REALLY THE OPERATING COST WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET FANTASTIC SAVINGS. IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THE BUILDING OPERATE? WHAT'S THE EFFICIENCY, THE BUILDING? WHAT'S THE, THE APPROACH THAT YOU WANT FOR YOUR RESIDENTS? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WILL PROBABLY DICTATE YOUR DECISION MORE THAN THE OPERATING COST. AND AGAIN, JACK HAD TALKED ABOUT THOSE CAN VARY. YOU'RE IN CONTROL. YEAH. TO SOME ASPECT OF HOW THOSE OPERATING COSTS ARE. ONCE YOU'RE IN A CONTRACT, THAT'S A NEGOTIATED RIGHT PART. ALL THE DETAILS HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, OF COURSE. SO ACTUALLY ON THE OPERATION, AND I THINK THIS JACK GOES TO THE PERFORMER YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT'S BEEN YOU WERE WORKING ON IT OVER THE WEEKEND. HAVE WE SEEN THAT YET? NO, WE WE HAVE COPIES OF THE DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST ADDING BACK $929,000 IN BOTH MODELS. SO IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION. IT'S WITHIN $80,000 OF EACH OTHER. WE DO HAVE COPIES. WE CAN WE JUST YEAH, I JUST, I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT. I JUST WANT TO. YEAH, IT WAS JUST A SO, SO AND THEN MY SIDE OF WHEN I TRANSFERRED THE CELLS, I MESSED IT UP. SO SORRY. SO THEN ON THE OPERATION SIDE, THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING OVER THE PAST WEEK IS IF. SO, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTEGRATED MODEL WHERE WE ARE DOING UPGRADES TO THE Y AND EXPANDING IT, WHICH I THINK THE ACTUAL FACILITY ENDS UP BEING A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE CITY OWNED AS, AS IT WAS DRAWN HERE, NOT A LOT, BUT THERE, THERE DEFINITELY IS A DIFFERENCE. BUT THE WITH WOULD THERE NOT BE AS A IF YOU IF YOU DID ONE AS THE INTEGRATED WHERE YOU HAVE ONE FACILITY VERSUS THE CITY OWNED, WHICH YOU END UP WITH TWO FACILITIES IN THE CITY'S. NOW, WOULD IT NOT BE REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT NOT EVERYBODY THAT YOU'VE GOT ON HERE GOING TO THE NEW CITY OWNED FACILITY WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY MEMBERS OF THE Y IN SOME CASES. SO WOULD THERE NOT BE SOMEWHAT OF A DILUTION OF MEMBERSHIPS TO THE CITY OWNED IF THE YMCA STILL REMAINED? BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GO. SO IT WOULDN'T BE THE SAME, I WOULDN'T THINK. HOW DID YOU COME TO THAT CONCLUSION? WELL, CERTAINLY THAT'S THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY OR AN OPTION THAT PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE WHERE THEY WANT TO GO AND WHAT MEMBERSHIP SUITS THEIR DESIRES. I THINK PART OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR COMMUNITY, AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REACHING OUT TO THE EMPLOYMENT BASE AND, AND THE TOWNSHIP AND THE CITY JUST OPENS UP TO MORE FOLKS WHO MAY BE INTERESTED, SOME OF WHICH, IF THEY'RE NOT CURRENT Y MEMBERS MAY NOT KNOW THE Y SERVICES. SO THEY MAY CHOOSE YOUR FACILITY DEPENDING ON THE OFFERING THAT YOU WOULD DO. YOU KNOW, DUAL FACILITIES CAN EXIST, AND CERTAINLY YOU WOULD EXPECT SOME FALL OFF. BUT REALLY, THAT'S TOUGH TO PREDICT UNTIL YOU'RE ACTUALLY GETTING INTO YOUR PROGRAMING AND HOW YOU'RE MARKETING YOUR PROGRAMS AND WHAT OVERLAPS THAT YOU DO HAVE. AND YOU MAY CHOOSE TO ADAPT YOUR PROGRAM SO YOU'RE NOT DUPLICATING SOME OF THE ASPECTS. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE HITTING THAT $80 MILLION BUDGET. YEAH, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE PROGRAM DECISIONS GOING, WELL, WE DON'T NEED TO DUPLICATE THIS. WE WANT TO DO [01:35:01] SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S A WAY THAT YOU ALSO MAY DEAL WITH IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ONE OTHER THING. JUST ON THE ON THE SITES THEMSELVES. SO AND AGAIN, THIS CAME UP FROM A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING AS FAR AS TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION IN THE AREA THAT IT'S GOING, GOING TO BE IN. YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS, AGAIN, A VERY LIVELY DISCUSSION TWO THURSDAYS AGO ABOUT A POTENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER OF HOLTON AND AND HOOVER, WHICH LITERALLY IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WELL, ALUMNI'S COMING UP. SO I'LL SAY A SOFTBALLS THROW AWAY DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO THAT, THAT MADE ME IMMEDIATELY START THINKING ABOUT, WOW, IF WE WERE TO PUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER THERE, THAT'S ALMOST, I DON'T WANT TO SAY WORSE, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RUSH HOUR, MORNINGS, AFTERNOONS, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY COMMUNITY CENTER COULD BE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. AND SO THAT REALLY GOT ME THINKING AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION AND THE TRAFFIC SITUATION, BECAUSE WHERE THAT IS OVER THERE IN PINNACLE PARK, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO YOU CAN'T ADD MORE ROADS AS A MATTER. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THEN STARTED ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED. YOU KNOW DARN WELL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START DRIVING THROUGH THROUGH CREEKSIDE UP THROUGH THE THE THROUGH THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, AS OPPOSED TO IN FRIAR PARK, WHICH IS OUT OFF ON ORDERS ROAD AND ALREADY IS HANDLING REC CENTER TYPE TRAFFIC NUMBER ONE. AND WITH THE, THE MEDICAL AND INNOVATION GATEWAY PROJECT THAT'S GOING OUT THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW ROAD THAT'S ALREADY PLANNED RIGHT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS GOING TO GIVE ANOTHER ARTERY IN AND OUT OF THAT, OF THAT GENERAL OF THAT GENERAL AREA. SO I, I DEFINITELY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ABOUT TRAFFIC. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS DID YOU GUYS EVEN ANALYZE TRAFFIC? I MEAN, I DON'T, I YEAH, WE'RE JUST WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR YOU. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SITES, ESPECIALLY IN, IN ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PINNACLE SCORED WHERE IT DID ORIGINALLY IS BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THOSE FROM NORTH TO SOUTH, THE ABILITY TO STAGE INTO THE SITE. SO BEING ABLE TO PULL IN AND YOU'RE NOT BACKING UP TRAFFIC ON, ON PINNACLE PARKWAY INTERNALLY, YOU COULD HAVE ANOTHER EXIT. SO IN ON TO THE NORTH, EXITING TO THE SOUTH, THAT STARTS SPREADING OUT THE STAGING AREA. IF YOU THINK THROUGH MOST REC CENTERS OR OUR PEAK IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO WORK OR COMING HOME, THE DAYTIME TRAFFIC, IT'S IT'S STEADY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE REALLY ADDING A TON. IT'S WHAT DO YOU DEAL WITH THE MORNING AND THE EVENING FOLKS ARE ALREADY LEAVING. THEY'RE THEY'RE LEAVING WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING. SO HOW YOU MANAGE THEM ONCE THEY'RE THERE IS JUST A MATTER OF IS HOW YOU LAY OUT THE SITE. AND THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT MAY REQUIRE SOME RIGHT IN AND RIGHT OUT TO ACCOMMODATE IT, BUT YOU HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO LAND IN PINNACLE TO JUST STAGE IT INTERNALLY. SO GET THEM OFF OF OF THE PARKWAY AND ONTO THE SITE IS HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH THAT. OKAY. AND I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. AND WE'RE NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. NO, NO, NO, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. JACK. THIS MIGHT BE MORE MORE FOR YOU, BUT YOU YOU MADE A COMMENT. YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A MEMBER. WHAT WOULD WHAT ARE THE DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THINGS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO A NON NONPAYING MEMBER VERSUS VERSUS NON TALK ABOUT. OKAY. SO THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO COMMUNITY CENTER IS MORE THAN JUST THOSE MEMBERSHIP SERVICES OF FITNESS, AQUATICS AND CHILD WATCH. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE COMMUNITY CLASSES IN THEIR YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAMS, ADULT SPORTS PROGRAMS, PICKLEBALL IN THERE THAT YOU WILL COME IN AND THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE, THE FULL MEMBERSHIP TO, TO ATTEND A COMMUNITY CLASS. YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE CLASS AND THEN YOU COME AND ENJOY THE CLASS. OKAY, OKAY, SO YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE CLASS, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER NECESSARILY. OKAY. COMMUNITY STYLE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO HOLD IN A COMMUNITY CENTER. THERE'S NO MEMBERSHIP INVOLVED. YOU SHOW UP FOR COMMUNITY STYLE MEETING, OKAY, YOUTH SPORTS PROGRAMS, PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, EVERYBODY COMES AND WATCHES THE KIDS PLAY, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MEMBERSHIP. OKAY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. AND THAT'S PART OF THAT COST RECOVERY WHERE THOSE PROGRAMS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO SOMETHING YOU AND I MAY WANT TO GO TO. BUT COUNCILWOMAN, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO. IT'S PRICED ACCORDINGLY. THE OTHER THING, AND DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WOULD PROGRAM THE SPACE, AS AN EXAMPLE, UPPER ARLINGTON'S COMMUNITY CENTER, WHEN YOU WALK IN, THERE'S AN INDOOR PLAY AREA THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S JUST LIKE A PLAYGROUND, BUT IT'S INTERNAL. BEFORE YOU WOULD GO INTO THE MEMBERSHIP DRIVEN, AND THOSE ARE DECISION PROGRAM DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE, HOW YOU WANT IT TO INTERACT IN THE COMMUNITY. SO THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF IT STAYING AS A PUBLIC BUILDING. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR KIDS TO PLAY IF THAT'S HOW YOU PROGRAM THE SPACE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I'VE GOT A QUESTION? ANOTHER QUESTION. THE COMBINATION TO ME IS A LITTLE BIT MESSY. I LIKE [01:40:07] SAVING MONEY. OKAY? I'M FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. AND THE QUESTION BECOMES KEEPS COMING TO MIND IF WE DO THE COMBINATION THING WITH THE Y, THE OWNERSHIP SEEMS TO BE OF THE PHYSICAL PROPERTY SEEMS TO BE MESSY TO ME BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING A BRAND NEW BUILDING, WHICH WE OWNED. YOU'RE INVESTING IN AN EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH WE DON'T OWN. AND HOW YOU EQUITABLY SPLIT THAT. I WAS UP AT BEEN UP TO DELAWARE TO THAT LOCATION, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH. SO THAT BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE CITY, CORRECT. EXCEPT FOR THE PART THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD OWNS, I BELIEVE. SO I'VE BEEN IN IT. I DON'T KNOW THE STRUCTURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A. OKAY. SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE REAL ESTATE SIDE OF THAT DISCUSSION. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND YOUR ATTORNEY MAY WANT TO CHIME IN. OKAY, TOO. I BELIEVE YOUR YOUR BEST CASE. WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO OWN THE BUILDING. IT'S VERY TOUGH. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SET THAT UP AS A CONDOMINIUM AND TWO SEPARATE OWNERSHIPS. I THINK TO HAVE THAT BE SUCCESSFUL. AND IF YOU THINK THROUGH THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN THERE WAS A RESCORING OF THAT SITE, IT WAS WITH VERY SPECIFIC CRITERIA. REMEMBER THAT LANGUAGE AND WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS CITY OWNING IT, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT. IT WASN'T JUST, OH, LET'S ADD ON TO THAT BUILDING. SO SO THAT DISCUSSION, IF YOU'RE THINKING THROUGH FROM A PURELY REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT, YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THAT COEXIST. THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM. THE ONLY WAY YOU WOULD DO IT IS YOU'D SET IT UP AS A CONDOMINIUM, WHICH IS CREATES ITS OWN ISSUES. YEAH. I'LL DEFER TO YOUR ATTORNEY, BUT YES. OKAY. OKAY. SO SO BASICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE OWN THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. GOT IT. OKAY. WELL, THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE. YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO NEGOTIATE IT. BUT I THINK AND MR. HOLT WAS ON THE FINANCE COMMITTEE, AND YOU CAN HELP BRING US BACK THERE. THE FINANCE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO EXTEND THE PINNACLE TIF. THE TIF FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR A CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED FACILITY. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO OWN IT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER BEEN A DISCUSSION POINT WITH THE Y AT THIS POINT. SO WE REALLY WOULD BE TAKING AN ENTITY AWAY FROM OUR COMMUNITY AND TAKING THE Y AWAY. AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BE WORKING TOWARDS, I GUESS, THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. OKAY. THAT ACTUALLY THAT ACTUALLY CAME UP AT ONE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS AND IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT THE TIF MONEY HAD TO BE USED FOR CAPITAL, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE OWNED BY THE CITY OR NOT OWNED AND OPERATED. THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. I DON'T THINK FINANCE HONEST WITH YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO. THEN OUR NEXT STEP HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND THANK YOU, MR. PIZZUTI. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. SO, RANDY, I DID THAT ON PURPOSE FOR YOU. START WITH ME. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH YOU. YOU'VE ALREADY STATED WHAT YOU WANT, MR. BARRY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, QUICK QUESTION. YES, I KNOW WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE Y WHO WAS PLANNING TO SPEAK IN REGARDS TO THIS, BUT DECIDED A NEW BUSINESS. COULD WE HEAR FROM HIM? YEAH, THAT'S FINE. IF THEY WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK, AT LEAST BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. JIM, DO YOU HAVE THE DO YOU HAVE THAT PAGE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE US REAL QUICK? JUST JUST SO WE HAVE IT, GIVE IT TO GIVE IT, GIVE IT TO TAMMY. SO WE HAVE IT IN THE RECORD, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. YEP. GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT BARRY, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR AND STAFF. MY NAME IS GARY LYNN. I'M THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR THE YMCA OF CENTRAL OHIO. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF OUR ENTIRE Y. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE AND DEDICATED ABOUT THE THE THOROUGH AND THOUGHTFUL STEPS THAT I THINK COUNCIL HAS TAKEN TO REVIEW WHAT A POTENTIAL JOINT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE Y WOULD LOOK LIKE. I ALSO WANT TO STAND HERE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE EXCITED AND READY TO PARTNER WITH THE GROVE CITY TO BUILD A JOINT VENTURE PARTNERSHIP. EXPANDING THE Y AT FRIAR PARK. I WAS HERE LAST WEEK DURING THE COMMUNITY CENTER PRESENTATION AND WANTED TO GIVE SOME DETAILS OF THAT DISCUSSION AND REITERATE A COUPLE OF THINGS BY THAT DISCUSSION, BY CHOOSING TO PARTNER WITH THE Y AS OUTLINED BY BOTH THESE NUMBERS, AS WELL AS THE SAME ONES THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, THE CAPITAL SAVINGS ALONE ON A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE Y WOULD BE $15 MILLION. IF YOU ADD IN THE ADDITIONAL $4 MILLION THAT THE Y HAS ALREADY STATED, THAT WE WOULD COME FORWARD WITH THAT SAVINGS NOW GOES TO $20 MILLION. I WAS HERE AT A SESSION BACK IN APRIL OF EARLIER THIS YEAR, WHERE I THINK YOU ASKED CITY STAFF TO BRING IN AN INCOME TAX PROPOSAL, AND THERE WAS A SCREEN PUT UP THAT HAD EIGHT TO 8 TO 10 DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS ON THERE THAT WERE PRIORITIES BESIDES JUST THE COMMUNITY [01:45:02] CENTER. WHAT WOULD THOSE $20 MILLION, HOW MANY WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CHECK OFF IF WE PARTNER, IF YOU PARTNERED WITH THE Y ON THAT MONEY, ON THAT SAVINGS, WE ALSO DIDN'T GET A LOT OF ANSWERS LAST WEEK REGARDING THE OPERATING EXPENSES. HOWEVER, FROM PREVIOUS SESSIONS AND JACK REDID THIS TODAY, THAT START UP COSTS FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER WILL BE ABOUT $5 MILLION. THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THE THE OPERATING SUBSIDY EACH OF THE REMAINING YEARS BEING $1 MILLION. TODAY, THE Y HAS STATED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IF WE LEAD MEMBERSHIP OPERATIONS, WE DON'T NEED A SUBSIDY. WE'VE NEVER ASKED ONE ON ANY OF THEM THAT WE HAVE OPERATED. THE COST OF ADDING AN ADDITIONAL EXCUSE ME, $13 MILLION WOULD BE FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS START UP PLUS OPERATING COSTS, AN ADDITIONAL $20 MILLION OVER THE FIRST 20 YEARS OF THE PROJECT. YOU ADD THAT TO THE CAPITAL SAVINGS, AND NOW YOU'RE AT $40 MILLION IN PARTNERING WITH THE Y. AGAIN, I'LL ASK HOW MANY OF THOSE 8 TO 10 PROJECTS CAN GET SATISFIED WITH $40 MILLION OF SAVINGS FROM THIS ONE? THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSION LAST WEEK ON THE SITE SELECTION, AND YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT. TODAY, I WILL REMIND COUNCIL THAT DURING A PRESENTATION ON AUGUST 15TH, THE 2025, THE GROVE CITY Y WAS RANKED SECOND HIGHEST BY YOUR COMMITTEE TO REVIEW REVIEW OF ALL PARCELS. AND YOU CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT AND BRING UP THE CONCERNS AROUND THE ALREADY EXISTING TRAFFIC ISSUES AROUND PINNACLE. OUR Y SEES A THOUSAND VEHICLES A DAY COME INTO THAT FACILITY. SO ADD THAT AMOUNT TO WHAT GOES INTO PINNACLE. AND I THINK THOSE TRAFFIC CONCERNS BECOME MAJOR PROBLEMS. LASTLY, LAST WEEK WE SUBMITTED 546 SIGNATURES FROM GROVE CITY RESIDENTS ASKING THE CITY TO PARTNER WITH THE Y AND EXPAND THE FACILITY AT FRIAR PARK. THIS IS ON TOP OF THE 300 SURVEY RESPONDENTS THAT WE SUBMITTED LAST YEAR, AND THE COUNTLESS NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOWED UP AT COUNCIL MEETINGS SENT EMAILS, PHONE CALLS ASKING THE CITY TO CONSIDER PARTNERING WITH THE Y AND BRINGING A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER RECREATION CENTER TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU. BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. I'M JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND PRESENTING THIS. I AM UNSURE OF WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR $40 MILLION FROM. ARE YOUR NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT PEZZUTTI HAS PRESENTED IN THEIR PRESENTATION? SO LET'S TAKE THE FIRST HALF OF IT. AND HIS PRESENT PRESENTATION LAST WEEK. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A EXPANDING THE YMCA AND A CITY ONLY AT PINNACLE, THE DIFFERENCE WAS APPROXIMATELY $15 MILLION, RIGHT? ADD IN THE $4 MILLION THAT THE Y HAS ALREADY STATED THAT WE WOULD BRING TO THIS PROJECT HAVE. WE WERE A PARTNER IN IT. THAT GETS YOU CLOSE TO $20 MILLION, HALF OF IT RIGHT THERE. OKAY, THAT'S HALF OF IT. THE OTHER HALF IS IF YOU PARTNER WITH THE Y AND WE LEAD THE MEMBERSHIP OPERATIONS, WE DON'T NEED A SUBSIDY. RIGHT? THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST WEEK. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND JIM PRESENTED WHAT HE WAS INSTRUCTED TO PRESENT. IF WE LEAD THE OPERATIONS, WE DON'T NEED A SUBSIDY. YOU'VE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT YOU NEED $1 MILLION SUBSIDY TO SATISFY THIS FACILITY THAT YOU THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BUILD, RIGHT. IF THE Y LEAD OPERATIONS, WE DIDN'T NEED THAT. SO IF THERE WERE, THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT THERE OVER THE COURSE OF 20 YEARS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING 20 YEARS. I FEEL THAT LETTING OUR COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THERE'S A $40 MILLION SAVINGS IS MISLEADING WITHOUT STATING THAT IT'S OVER 20 YEARS. SO I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON THE RECORD. ALSO, YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING FORTH $4 MILLION. CAN I ASK WHY? SO AS WE'VE DONE THIS EXERCISE, WE'VE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST NEEDS TO BE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MR. HOLT, YOU KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP AGAIN, A GOOD 5 TO $8 MILLION OF RENOVATIONS OR IMPROVEMENTS, HVAC AND EFFICIENCIES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW BEFORE WE CAN EVEN BEFORE THE BUILD WOULD EVEN HAPPEN. AND THAT ALREADY TAKES AWAY FROM THE MONEY WE WOULD PUT INTO A STANDALONE FACILITY. WHY HAS THE WHY NOT IMPROVED THE PROPERTY OVER THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, 25 YEARS IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE, BUT EVEN OVER THE LAST FIVE, TEN, 15 YEARS TO HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT IT NEEDS THAT MUCH OF, OF AN UPGRADE. YEAH. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE NUMBERS WAS 3 TO $5 MILLION IN TERMS OF CAPITAL EXPENSE, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON ON THE MAJORITY OF OUR FACILITIES. WE DO INVEST RIGHT BACK INTO ALL OF OUR FACILITIES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LET THE LIFESPAN OF HVAC UNIT TAKE PLACE, RIGHT? THERE'S PROBABLY ONE ON THERE RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS IT NEEDS TO GET TAKEN PLACE OR IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED IN ABOUT TWO YEARS. THERE'S A POOL FILTER THAT PROBABLY SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED IN TWO YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT RIGHT? WHEN IT GETS TO ITS END OF ITS LIFE CYCLE, IT'LL STILL SHOW UP ON A FIVE YEAR CAPITAL PLANNING JUST AS THE 3 TO 5 MILLION WILL. BUT THEY'LL BE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS. OKAY. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK ABOUT THE HILLIARD CASE STUDY, AN EXAMPLE. [01:50:01] WE DO KNOW THAT WITHIN HILLIARD, HILLIARD CHOSE TO BUILD A FULL STANDALONE, CITY OWNED AND OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTER. I BELIEVE WITHIN A MILE, THE THE OTHER THE OTHER, THE OTHER SITE PINNACLE HERE WOULD BE FURTHER THAN POINT SEVEN. HOW LONG IS THE WELL BEEN OPERATING IN HILLIARD NOW? I BELIEVE THEY OPENED AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, IF NOT SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR. SO SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. BUT I'LL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE STATS BECAUSE ACTUALLY JUST I RUN THEM AT THE END OF EVERY MONTH JUST TO KEEP OUR OWN STAFF AWARE OF WHAT THE IMPACT ON SOMETHING LIKE THE HILL HAS. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OUR JOINTS AT THAT FACILITY ARE DOWN 18%, OUR CANCELLATIONS ARE UP 16%, AND OUR OVERALL TRAFFIC IS IS DOWN ABOUT 17%. THAT SAME THING WHEN THE WELL WENT IN, I THINK THEIR PROFORMA CALLED FOR ABOUT 7000 MEMBERSHIP UNITS. RIGHT. UNITS IS ONE PAYING CUSTOMER. SO 7000 OF THEM IS PROBABLY UPWARDS AROUND 17 18,000 PEOPLE. TODAY WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL ON OUR STAFF. AND THE REPORTED NUMBER TODAY IS 7000 TOTAL MEMBERS. RIGHT. SO MY ASSUMPTION IS THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING UP TO WHAT THE PERFORMANCE SAID. AND I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU THERE'S BEEN AN IMPACT ON THE WHY THAT'S 0.7 MILES AWAY. DO I THINK SOMETHING WOULD WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON BOTH THE WHY AND YOU WOULDN'T REACH THE NUMBERS ON A NEW FACILITY? ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T, AND MR. CASTLE CAN SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'VE PROJECTED OUR NUMBERS THAT HIGH. IN FACT, I THINK YOU'VE KEPT THE NUMBERS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE IN THE PROFORMA THAT YOU'VE DONE IN TERMS OF MEMBERSHIPS WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER, 3800 UNITS WAS BASED ON CONSULTING FEASIBILITY. SO WE'VE KEPT THE NUMBERS PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE WHY IN HILLIARD IS GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE? OH NOT TODAY, NO. SO THERE IS A CASE STUDY THAT TWO ENTITIES COULD EXIST AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT PROGRAMING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN A LARGE COMMUNITY LIKE HILLIARD. AND SIMILAR TO WHAT GROVE CITY HAS. YEAH, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO DELAY THAT ANSWER ABOUT FIVE YEARS TO SEE. ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY IN ABOUT THREE YEARS WE'LL PROBABLY SEE THE TOTAL IMPACT OF IT. RIGHT. BUT TODAY, WOULD WE EXPECT TO KNOW OUR PLAN IS TO CONTINUE RAMPING UP AND PERFORMING WELL. DO YOU KNOW WHY THE GARVER CENTER IN COLUMBUS HAD TO CLOSE RECENTLY WITHIN THE WHY I DO? YEAH, WITH NUMEROUS DECLINING MEMBERSHIPS EVER SINCE WE OPENED THE REYNOLDSBURG FACILITY, OUR GARVER MEMBERSHIPS HAVE STEADILY DECLINED OVER THAT TIME PERIOD. AND NOW THAT ZIP CODE, I CAN'T RECALL IT, BUT THAT ZIP CODE IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST ZIP CODES FOR ACCESSES AT THE REYNOLDSBURG FACILITY. SO WE'VE SEEN THIS COMING FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AT THE SAME POINT, PUTTING IN INVESTING IN A FACILITY THAT WE DIDN'T THINK WOULD NECESSARILY HAVE THE IMPACT. THAT'S BEEN A CHANGING COMMUNITY. WE FELT LIKE IT WAS THE BEST DECISION TO CLOSE THERE AND INVEST OUR RESOURCES IN OTHER COMMUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT HELPS CLARIFY. THEN EVEN SEEING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT A ZIP CODE WITHIN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS IS NOW ACCESSING A REYNOLDSBURG FACILITY. AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD TRULY HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS AROUND OUR GROVE CITY COMMUNITY WITHIN OUR BEYOND OUR OUR CURRENT RESIDENTS. SO, OKAY, THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD FOR MR. LIN. ALL RIGHT. MR. BERRY, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. YES. ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. LINDEN. WHAT WAS YOUR LAST GARY LIN? RIGHT. THE YOU MENTIONED THAT THE FRIAR PARK WAS NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST, AND I WAS ON THE SITE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE, AND THAT WAS NEVER ON THE NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU GOT THAT INFORMATION. SO ON AUGUST 18TH OF 2025, IT WAS PRESENTED, AND I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE FIRST PRESENTATIONS THAT WE PUT TOGETHER THAT IT WASN'T ON A LIST. AND THEN IT WAS STATED IF THE GROVE CITY YMCA, A FRIAR PARK, WAS ON THAT LIST, THERE MIGHT BE CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. HOWEVER, IF THEY VIEWED ALL PARCELS, IT WAS NUMBER TWO ON THAT LIST. OKAY. THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE OBVIOUSLY THE FACT OF WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH AND WHY I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT ON TWO DIFFERENT STUDIES OR TWO DIFFERENT TIMES, THAT IT WAS NUMBER TWO. BUT AGAIN, THERE WAS ONE AT THE VERY END WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO RESCORE THE SITES. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME THAT I RECALL THAT THAT SITE WENT UP BASED UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. YEAH, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THAT IT WAS TWICE. I JUST THAT I WAS AT A PRESENTATION WHERE IT WAS GIVEN AND IT WAS NUMBER TWO ON THE LIST. IF WE OWNED AND OPERATE OWNED THE PROPERTY AND THE I THINK IT WAS STATED IF CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, I THINK IS WHAT THE WHAT THE STATEMENT WAS AROUND THAT. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. CASTLE. IN THE THE MAYOR, STATE MAYOR STAGE RECOMMEND OR REFERRED TO 120 500 ZERO SQUARE FOOT FACILITY, WHICH AGAIN IS A PROPOSAL. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO GET THAT HIGH. WOULD THAT BE WOULD THERE BE SOME [01:55:04] COST SAVINGS BY CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC STAFF FROM OTHER FACILITIES? BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING IN A NEW COMMUNITY CENTER, WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE ALL THE OFFICES ON ONE SITE POTENTIALLY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE PROPOSAL OR. IT IS. IT INCLUDES ALL THE OFFICES THAT ARE AT KINGSTON COMMUNITY CENTER WOULD BE HOUSED IN THE NEW COMMUNITY CENTER. WE WOULD VACATE PARKS AND REC WOULD ACTUALLY VACATE THE KINGSTON CENTER. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. MAYBE SOME OF THE HIGHER SQUARE FOOTAGE MAYBE CAME FROM THE CONSOLIDATION OF SOME OF THOSE OTHER OFFICES. AND JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I THINK THAT HAD TO DO WITH WORKFLOW AND SYSTEMS AND CIRCULATION AT THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THOSE INEFFICIENCIES THAT THEY REFER TO THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO INCREASE, WOULD THERE BE SOME COST SAVINGS, THOUGH, THEN TO THE WHOLE PARKS AND REC BY THERE? THERE IS AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. OKAY. THERE'S COST SAVINGS IN JUST FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT FIVE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS, RIGHT? BASKETBALL. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A STAFF MEMBER AT EVERY PRACTICE. SO THAT'S FIVE SITES THAT ARE PART TIME STAFF ARE BEING PAID EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK EXCEPT FOR FRIDAYS. AND THEN WE COME IN AND WE PLAY GAMES ON SATURDAYS AND WE HAVE A FULL STAFF THERE ALL DAY. THIS WOULD MAKE IT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT HAVING BASKETBALL COURTS IN ONE SITE WHERE YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE RUNNING, IT SAVES MONEY IN THE LONG RUN, RIGHT. AND MAYBE THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALLEN. SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THESE THIRD PARTY OR OFF OR NOT BEING A MEMBER, SOME OF THOSE EVENTS OR DIFFERENT PROGRAMING THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO NON MEMBERS, HAVING THEM AT THAT COMMUNITY CENTER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE THING I MR. MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. CASSELL SAID THE PARKS AND REC WOULD BE VACATING KINGSTON. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE OTHER OFFICES OVER THERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. THANKS. YES, I JUST LAST BITE AT THE APPLE HERE. THIS IS A WORK SESSION THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THINGS AT. THANK YOU. SO I DO WANT TO TALK THROUGH AGAIN WHAT MISS BURROWS WAS STATING. AS MISS BURROWS AND I BOTH SAT ON THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR THIS BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT THE GROVE CITY YMCA SITE RANKED THE SECOND HIGHEST. THE ONLY REASON IT WAS RANKED. OUR SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE SAT THERE AND RANKED 18 SITES AND THE. WHY THE FRIAR PARK LOCATION DID NOT RAISE INTO THE FIRST TOP FIVE. THE SITE SELECTION COMMITTEE WAS ASKED A WEEK LATER OR MEETING LATER TO REEVALUATE IT BASED ON THE WHY NOT EXISTING THERE. IT WAS NOT THAT SOMETHING WOULD NEED WORKED OUT OR THAT THERE WOULD BE A MAYBE A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. IT WAS IF THE YMCA DID NOT EXIST THERE, AND YOU COULD LOOK AT FRIAR PARK AS A SITE ITSELF, PLEASE RERANK IT. AND I THINK WE CONTINUE TO GET LOST IN THAT. BUT THAT IS HOW IT WAS PRESENTED TO US. AND IF THAT IS NOT HOW IT WAS MEANT, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED DIFFERENTLY. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. COUNCILWOMAN, I MAY ADD, IN YOUR FINAL REPORT, WE DID NOT. WE GAVE YOU FIVE SITES NOT RANKED IN AN ORDER, ALL OF WHICH WOULD MEET IN THE Y SITE AGAIN WAS ADDED WITH THE ASTERISKS, WITH MEETING CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS OR THAT IT WOULD WORK FOR YOU. BUT IT WAS NOT. WE DID NOT GIVE YOU A RANKED ONE, TWO, THREE. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THAT PART OF THE CITY EFFORT WAS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE SITES THAT WE HAD RANKED AND WHAT WOULD BE COULD BE ACQUIRED IN THE COST. AND SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION RIGHT HERE, AND IT STATES THESE ARE LISTED IN THE ORDER OF SCORING, BUT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS CONTINUED DUE DILIGENCE ON ALL FINALIST SITES. IT'S ON PAGE SIX OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER FROM MONDAY, AUGUST 18TH OF 2025. IT STATES THE TOP FIVE SITES ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE SITE NUMBERS CORRESPOND TO TO THE FULL SITE LISTING. THESE ARE LISTED IN ORDER OF SCORING, BUT THE COMMUNITY RECOMMEND. THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS CONTINUED DUE DILIGENCE ON ALL FINALIST SITES. SO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. THEY WERE NOT THEY IT WAS NOT THIS ONE'S NUMBER TWO. IT WAS THESE ARE THE SITES. AND IT WAS, I BELIEVE, LAST ON LIST. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. RANDY. THE QUESTION CITY. WHY RENOVATED BUILDING AND WHERE WRITING IT DOWN. SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A FIRST CLASS, CITY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITY AT PINNACLE PARK, ECHO PARK. AND I DO UNDERSTAND IF I NEED TO ADJUST [02:00:01] THE 125,000FT■!S TO SOMETHING SMALLER THAT FITS OUR BUDGET EXPECTATIONS, WE CAN DO THAT, AND THEN WE CAN EXPAND LATER IN FIVE OR SOME YEARS WHEN WE FIND MORE MONEY AND ANOTHER WAY TO PAY FOR IT. ALL RIGHT. BUT I'LL BE IN THAT POSITION, IN THAT LOCATION. THIS IS I THINK WE KNOW YOUR POSITION, BUT GO AHEAD AND SAY IT. THANK YOU. CITY OWNED CITY OPERATED AT PINNACLE PARK. NICOLE. JODY. I GUESS BASED ON ALL THE RESEARCH OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE DONE THE COMPARISON, THE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MORE AMENITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE NEED MORE AMENITIES. THAT WAY. I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS. AGAIN, WHAT WE STARTED IS THE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED AT PINNACLE PARK. EVEN THOUGH THAT WASN'T NOT MY FIRST SITES SELECTION, BUT OTHER OPTIONS HAVE BEEN RULED OUT. GEORGE. THAT'S ONE. I TEND TO BE. I MENTIONED BEFORE, FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE. AND IF I OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT AN $18 MILLION DIFFERENCE, $18.5 MILLION DIFFERENCE. AND I'M TRYING TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE. A MESSY ARRANGEMENT ON OWNERSHIP OF PHYSICAL PLANT OPERATIONS, COLLECTING MEMBERSHIPS, ETCETERA. HOWEVER, 18.5 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. SO I THINK I WOULD GO WITH THE YMCA COMBINATION. AND THAT'S A COURSE THAT. FRIAR PARK OMAR. THIS IS A VERY TOUGH DECISION. I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESEARCH, A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS PERSONALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT IS A PARTNERSHIP OVER IN REYNOLDSBURG. I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF RESIDENTS AND READ A LOT OF EMAILS. I DO SUPPORT A CITY OWNED AND OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTER. HOWEVER, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE PINNACLE LOCATION. I THINK I'VE EXPRESSED THAT A LOT. I THINK WE ARE UNDERESTIMATING SOME OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THE LAST MEETING, I'VE HEARD CONCERNS SURROUNDING EXPANSION WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING AND THAT BEING A CONCERN AS WELL. I ALSO THINK ACCESS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CONVERSATION, AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN COMMITMENTS EXPRESSED TO WORKING WITH CODA AND ETCETERA, ETCETERA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL OF THAT FINALIZED BEFORE THE SHOVEL EVEN TOUCHES THE GROUND AND MAKING SURE THAT THE 42% THAT IS NOT TEN MINUTES AWAY OR TEN MINUTE DRIVING DISTANCE AREN'T FORGOTTEN. AND I, AND I REALLY WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE RESIDENTS, IF THIS IS THE PATH THAT WE CHOOSE TO TAKE, I THINK THE RESIDENTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT ARE ON THAT SAME STREET, IN THAT RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THEM AS WELL. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, I STAND AT A CITY OWNED OPERATED, OKAY, YOU'RE JUST THE LOCATIONS UP IN THE AIR. I'M NOT A FAN OF LOCATION. OKAY. WELL, AND JUST TO ADD, WHEN I, WHEN I INITIALLY JOINED COUNCIL, I WAS PRESENTED WITH TOP FIVE LOCATIONS. AND AT THAT MEETING, I RECALL, AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PULL THE MINUTES LATER ON, BUT WHEN I WAS GIVEN THAT LIST AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, THREE OUT OF THE FIVE LOCATIONS WEREN'T ELIGIBLE. AND I COULD BE WRONG. I, I'M PRETTY SURE I'M ACCURATE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING WITH THE OWNERS NOT WANTING TO SELL. IT WAS THREE OUT OF THE FIVE LOCATIONS. SO AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, I DID KIND OF FEEL OBLIGATED TO JUST THESE TWO LOCATIONS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE REALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION WHEN IT CAME TO THE LOCATION. SO I'M STILL WANTING TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THE LOCATION SPECIFICALLY. AND I KNOW PIZZUTI HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK TO CREATE THIS COMPARISON, BUT IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE UNFAIR AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER, TO HAVE TO DECIDE ON A LOCATION WHEN THE THREE OUT OF THE FIVE WERE NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, ELLEN. YEAH. SO. I GUESS WHEN I, WHEN I JUST, YOU KNOW, START GOING DOWN MY CHECKLIST OF COST, POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS, SOME OF THE TRAFFIC STUFF THAT HAS THAT [02:05:06] HAS RECENTLY SURFACED POTENTIAL GROWTH LONG TERM. AS WELL AS THE THOUSAND OTHER DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT ARE GOING INTO THIS. I, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO, TO AT THIS POINT LEAN TOWARDS A CITY OWNED WITH AN OPERATIONAL COLLABORATION OF SOME SORT WITH THE Y AT FRIAR. BUT IT HAS TO BE CITY OWNED AND GOVERNED. SO YOU'RE TALKING JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEPARATE CITY OWNED FACILITY POTENTIALLY NEXT TO THE Y. I MEAN THAT WHAT DO YOU I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS. NO, NO NO. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE CITY HAS TO BE IN CHARGE. THE CITY HAS TO GOVERN. THE WHOLE HAS TO GOVERN THE WHOLE THING. I'VE SAID THAT FROM THE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, BOTH FROM A CAPITAL COST AND OPERATIONAL COSTS AND JUST OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES, I GUESS YOU COULD EVEN SAY, OF PARTNERING WITH THE Y AT FRIAR DOING AN EXPANSION. I GUESS WHAT I WHAT I WAS THINKING A LITTLE BIT THIS WEEK AND EVEN EVEN TONIGHT, IT EVEN KIND OF DROVE HOME IS LET'S, LET'S DO, DO THE Y EXPANSION, SLAP AN OUTDOOR POOL ON THE OUTSIDE OF IT AS WELL. AND WE GOT THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. ALL RIGHT, SO I'M FOR THE, I GUESS IF, IF WE'RE BETWEEN THESE TWO THAT ARE LISTED HERE, THE INTEGRATED, THE INTEGRATED IS IS THE ONE THAT I WOULD HERE FOR INTEGRATED. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? I MEAN IT'S 910. FOR ME. I WOULD ORIGINALLY LIKE TO SING THIS THING AT BROOK PARK. THAT'S. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I THAT WOULD THAT WAS MY. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEEN IT THERE. BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SPACE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE WE NEED MORE RECREATIONAL SPACE. WE'RE CLOSE TO 50,000 PEOPLE. I'M GOING TO GO WITH CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. I'M KIND OF WITH OMAR HERE. I'M NOT SOLD ON PINNACLE, BUT IF THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE IT, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, WE'LL WE'LL DEAL WITH TRAFFIC AT A IT SOMEHOW DIFFERENTLY. I MEAN, THESE GUYS ARE ENGINEERS. THEY THEY'LL FIGURE OUT STAGING AND THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DO WANT TO SEE THE ADMINISTRATION WORK WITH THE Y TO SEE IF, WHERE WE CAN COLLABORATE ON PROGRAMS WHERE WE CAN, WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THE Y IS HEALTHY IN THAT PROCESS. SO THAT'S GOOD. I THINK WE'RE II DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING AT THE END HERE? IF I COULD PLEASE, MR. CHAIR, CHUCK AND I HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF THE YMCA. RIGHT. AND WITH THEIR LATEST INFORMATION, THEY SHARED, I THINK THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, WE FEEL WE'RE PRETTY OBLIGATED INTO SITTING DOWN AND TALKING WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WAS OUTLINED IN THAT CORRESPONDENCE. WELL, SOME OTHERS, AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT AUGUST 3RD, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, THE ADMINISTRATION WILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT LOCATION MAKES THE MOST SENSE. OKAY. SO YOU'LL DO THAT IN THE FORM OF A LEGISLATION? YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATION AT THAT TIME. IF, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL LET THE COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW, SEE THAT BEFOREHAND. SO IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WANT TO INTRODUCE A DIFFERENT PIECE OF LEGISLATION, THEY CAN THEY CAN DO THAT AS WELL. SURE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, SO WHAT IF YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND LEGISLATION COMES BACK FROM DIFFERENT. BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE JUST IDENTIFIED HERE IS THERE ARE FIVE MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITY AWAY FROM FRIAR PARK, TWO SAID DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. THEY WOULD BE AMICABLE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT FIVE DID SAY CITY OWNED AND OPERATED, NOT AT FRIAR PARK, SO I'M JUST CONFUSED. IF THE COUNCIL I THINK IT'S YEAH, I THINK IT'S A CASE OF ASSETS AVAILABLE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE'VE HAD A SUGGESTION. FOR INSTANCE, MAYBE WE BUILD ANOTHER POOL DOWN AT THE YMCA LOCATION TO HELP FEED THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SO THE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IN COMMON THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE, WHETHER THEY ARE PHYSICALLY TOGETHER OR WHETHER THEY ARE SEPARATE, BUT IT'S AN OBLIGATION WE FEEL WE HAVE. AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR 22 YEARS, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE, AS I SAY, THE ASSETS WE HAVE AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE CONSIDER THE Y AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY AND WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WE'VE NOT HAD THAT MEETING. [02:10:07] WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IN ALL OF THIS TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING THROUGH THIS, THAT CONVERSATION HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAPPEN YET IN. WELL, IT'S THE SAME AS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE YMCA WAS NOT REALLY A NUMBER TWO, WE CAN DEBATE THAT FOREVER. THE POINT IS THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A GOOD MANAGEMENT TO MANAGEMENT DISCUSSION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATION, BUT MAJOR, MAJOR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE THE ASSETS THAT THEY FEEL THEY CAN RETAIN, CONTRIBUTE, WHAT ARE THE ASSETS THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE? AND THAT'S THE END OF IT. I THINK AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THESE WORK SESSIONS, AND AS SOMEONE WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE, WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO WAS TO TALK ABOUT A CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED COMMUNITY CENTER. AND AGAIN, KIND OF GOING THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS OF EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE AND ALL THE DUE DILIGENCE WE'VE DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, CERTAINLY WITH NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT WAS ASKED TO DO AN APPLES TO APPLES KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. I THINK WE'VE SEEN THE DUE DILIGENCE OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FROM THIS WORK SESSION TO REAFFIRM THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATION THAT WE HAD FROM 2025, AND I WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT NUMBER THAT STATES TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED. COMMUNITY CENTER, AND YOU COULD AMEND IT OR AMEND IT, WHATEVER WITH A LOCATION AND PASS IT TONIGHT. WELL, HERE'S MY ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, HERE'S MY THING ABOUT PASSING SOMETHING TONIGHT. WE NEED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA SO PEOPLE CAN SPEAK TO IT. THAT'S MY VIEW. I, I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF STATED WHERE WE'RE AT HERE. I THINK WE PUT LEGISLATION UP, LET RESIDENTS COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT. WE CAN PASS IT AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S THE GOAL. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. IT WON'T BE AUGUST 2ND OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT'LL BE BEFORE THAT. RIGHT. BUT I DO THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT SO LET'S SEE WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION COMES UP WITH. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, CREATE ANOTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION. WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS THE DATE I MENTIONED? WELL, THE FIRST MEETING IS THE MEETING WE'D LIKE TO GO TO IS THE AUGUST 3RD WITH A. YEAH, AN ORDINANCE THAT CLARIFIES, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DOUBLE UP ON ASSETS. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO ON COST ON, ON MEMBERSHIPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOGETHER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. BUT I DON'T KNOW. I OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHEN YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR STUFF BY JULY 20TH, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S TWO WEEKS. WELL, WE'LL HAVE OUR STUFF BY JULY 20TH. WELL, EITHER WAY IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ALRIGHT. THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE IT IS 916 IS THE CHARTER. YEAH. GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH. YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE. I'M SORRY, AS A RESULT OF ALL THE ITEMS WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING OVER, WE'RE GOING OVER THE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE DATA CENTER, THE POSSIBLE INCOME TAX THING. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DELAY ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND VOTES ON CHANGES TO THE DRAFT CHARTER THAT ALLOWS THE NEWER PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT AND PUT THEIR COMMENTS ON AND DELAY THAT TO FEBRUARY THE 1ST TO THE FEBRUARY 1ST MEETING OF 27. SO IS YOUR IS YOUR GOAL TO HAVE IT HAVE ANY CHARTER CHANGE AT THE PRIMARY THEN? IF SO, THAT WOULD. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE. ONCE WE PUT THAT TOGETHER TO BE ON THE MAY BALLOT, ON THE MAY BALLOT OF 27, CAN I. THERE ARE CHANGES THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE TO IT THAT I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO MAKE. AND THERE'S SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME THAT I LIKE, SOME THAT I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT, BUT I, I THINK WE'VE GOT SO MUCH ON OUR PLATE THAT, I MEAN, TONIGHT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE. EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION. IT'S THEY'RE ALL TOUGH DECISIONS. THEY'RE NOT EASY DECISIONS. THEY'RE NOT BLACK AND WHITE. AND I THINK THAT BY THROWING THAT INTO THE MIX WITH THE DATA CENTER AND THE, AND THE, THE COMMITTEES THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE DATA CENTER, THE ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN. PRESENTED, THE POTENTIAL TAX INCREASE IN NOVEMBER, THOSE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO GO THROUGH. THE CHARTER IS IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DEVOTE ENOUGH TIME TO IT TO [02:15:02] DO A DO A YEOMAN'S JOB ON IT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DELAYED ANY, ANY, ANY FURTHER COMMENT UNTIL YOU GOT TO WAIT TILL THIS. DOES ANYBODY SECOND IT. SECOND HIS MOTION TO TO DO THAT. I'LL SECOND IT. IS THERE NO DISCUSSION? NO. NOW THERE'S DISCUSSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES. MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO. DELAY WHAT DELAY FURTHER DISCUSSION. AND VOTES ON THE CHARTER CHANGES UNTIL FEBRUARY. THE FIRST OF 2027 WITH THE GOAL OF PUTTING IT. ANYTHING ON THE GOAL OF PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT? ON THE MAY BALLOT. ALL RIGHT, OMAR, YOU HAVE YOUR YOUR COMMENTS SO YOU CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THAT MOTION. IN REGARDS TO DELAYING IT TILL FEBRUARY. YES. YEAH. SO I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE YOU DID REFERENCE SOME OF MY COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING, I THINK IT'S ONE IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE WORK THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DID ON THESE CHANGES. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WE WE HAVE WORK SESSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT CAN TAKE PLACE IN ORDER FOR US TO GET CAUGHT UP THAT THAT IS JUST WHERE I STAND WITH THAT. I THINK WHEN IT CAME TO THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE Y, WE WE DID REQUEST FOR A DELAY. I JUST I FEEL LIKE I'M AT A POINT WHERE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO AT LEAST PURSUE, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY MAKE A DECISION, BUT AT LEAST ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION, GET PRESENTATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE EXPERTS ON WHAT THESE CHANGES ARE, WHY, WHY THEY'RE NECESSARY. WHAT LED COUNCIL TO THOSE CHANGES? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY VALUE IN DELAYING THAT CONVERSATION, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY LEARNED BEST THROUGH ENGAGING IN DISCUSSION WITH MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY SECOND POINT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. YOU MENTIONED THE DATA CENTER. YOU MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I JOINED COUNCIL TO DO WORK, AND I WAS ELECTED BY MY CONSTITUENTS TO DO WORK. AND IF AT ANY POINT WE ARE DELAYING THE WORK FOR THE SAKE OF NOT BEING OVERWHELMED OR NOT WANTING TO DISCUSS IT UNTIL A LATER POINT, I THINK WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS AND THE WORK THAT WE ULTIMATELY COMMITTED TO DOING ONCE WE WERE ELECTED TO OFFICE. SO WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND TRYING TO BRAINSTORM SOLUTIONS AS A COLLECTIVE TO BETTER OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THINK EVERY PERSON ON THIS DIET, SITTING ON THIS DAIS TODAY SHOULD BE COMMITTED TO, TO DOING THAT WORK AND TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST WHERE I STAND WITH THAT MOTION. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I, I AGREE 100% WITH MR. OMAR. WE HAD IN THE LAST MEETING, OUR SPECIAL MEETING, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS RESOLUTION IN DECEMBER THAT WE PASSED TO CONTINUE THIS WORK. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE THIS WORK, THEN I WANT IT ON RECORD A VOTE THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NOT TO CONTINUE THIS WORK, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A MOTION TO NOT CONTINUE THIS WORK. MISS GEORGE'S RESOLUTION IS TO DELAY IT UNTIL FEBRUARY AND PUT IT ON THE BALLOT BECAUSE OF ALL THE MICRO, BECAUSE OF ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT HE'S LISTED. BUT WE HAVE WORK TO DO, AND WE NEED TO STEP UP AND DO THE WORK. SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. MA'AM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT. HE'S NOT GOING TO TELL ME TO BE QUIET. I CAN ASK YOU TO LEAVE AND I WILL. SO PLEASE BE SILENT AND LET US COME. LET US DO THE BUSINESS. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I JUST ISN'T THERE ALREADY GOING TO BE A CHARTER CHANGE ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER NOW ANYWAY, WITH THE DATA CENTER DATA CENTER, IF I'M IF I MAY, THE REFERENDUM YOU'RE SPEAKING OF TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OF REGISTERED VOTERS TO BE VERIFIED BY THE BOARD OF ELECTION. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 1700. I BELIEVE THE GROUP SUBMITTED SOMEWHERE AROUND 2500. RIGHT. THAT PARTICULAR REFERENDUM PETITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DATE. IT DOESN'T MENTION DATA CENTER, AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. IT DOES NOT MENTION DATA CENTER. WELL, I DIDN'T MEAN NECESSARILY GOING TO BE ANOTHER CHARTER CHANGE ON THE BALLOT. IF IT IS VALIDATED THROUGH AND GETS VALIDATED. AND I GUESS MY ONLY INTEREST AND I, I KEEP ASKING THIS QUESTION IS, I THINK IF YOU PUT TWO CHARTER CHANGES ON THE BALLOT OR THREE CHARTER CHANGES ON THE BALLOT, I THINK IT JUST MESSES THINGS UP FOR THE PUBLIC. THEY WON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO VOTE ON WHICH ONE, I DON'T KNOW. SO THAT'S JUST WHY I'M OKAY WITH PUNTING FOR NOW AND DOING IT IN THE MAY WHEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER [02:20:03] CHARTER CHANGE ON THERE. DOES THE ULTIMATE GOAL HAVE TO BE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT? LIKE WHY CAN'T WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION? THAT WAS MY POINT. LIKE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS NOVEMBER. I JUST WANT TO YEAH, THAT'S FINE. WE CAN WE CAN CONTINUE. BUT YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO TRY TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT. I JUST DON'T THINK IT BELONGS WITH COMPETING THINGS ON THE BALLOT. ALL RIGHT. ANY MUDDY THE WATERS. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. TAMMY PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR POINT OF ORDER. CAN YOU JUST AT LEAST RESTATE THE MOTION SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? MR. HOLLINGER, CAN YOU PLEASE READ YOUR MOTION? YEAH. AND AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO RESTATE IT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND. WE DID. I'D LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO ELIMINATE THE WORD. FURTHER DISCUSSIONS AND TO HAVE THE MOTION. WE'LL NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. RIGHT. SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO DELAY ANY CHARTER CHANGES UNTIL THE MAY PRIMARY, UNTIL THE MAY BALLOT. YEAH. MR. WARD. YES. OR OR DELAY ANY ANY CHARTER CHANGE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND IT. JUST DISCUSSION. COULD YOU YOUR GOAL INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. YOUR GOAL NOW IS TO MAY ON THE MAY BALLOT WHEN POINT OF QUESTION. YES. WITH THAT AMENDMENT BY MR. HELLINGA YOU'RE STATING THAT AS FAR AS COUNCIL VOTING TO PUT IT ON. YES. BASICALLY THE FIRST ONE WAS DISCUSSION AND VOTES TO PUT IT ON AND TO COME UP WITH A FINAL DRAFT OF THE CHARTER. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M ALLOWING IS DISCUSSION ON THE CHARTER CHANGES, BUT NO VOTES ON THE CHARTER. AND TO PUT IT ON THE MAY BALLOT, IF THERE ARE ANY. AND THE VOTE TO BE DONE IN ON THE AT THE FEBRUARY 7TH MEETING. SO NOT NOT GETTING RID OF THE DISCUSSION, JUST ANY VOTES OR ANY OFFICIAL STUFF ON IT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SPECIFIC TO WHAT ARE WE TALKING FORMER GOVERNMENT. ARE WE TALKING TERM LIMITS LIKE ANY CHANGES? OKAY. SAYS ANY CHANGES, I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO OVERSTEP. GO AHEAD. OKAY. ARE WE READY? I'M SORRY. YOU NEED US. YOU NEED THE SECOND TO BE REAFFIRMED. SECOND, REAFFIRM YOUR SECOND TO THE MOTION. YES. MISS BURROWS, NO, OMAR. NO. ANDERSON. NO. MALINGA. YES. BARRY. YES. HOLT. YES. STURM. YES. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HAS WAITED HERE DILIGENTLY ALL EVENING. MR. SMURTHWAITE, DO YOU STILL WANT TO SPEAK TONIGHT, OR WOULD YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? 2 OR 3. GO. WE HAVE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, SIR. TIME. I'VE LEARNED A LONG TIME AGO THAT YOU. YOU'VE HELPED ME A LOT IN MY. MY SON ELIJAH STILL LOVES YOU FOR HELPING ME GET INTO OHIO STATE. BUT. BUT GIVE ME A SECOND HERE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD BREAKFAST AND I WAS BUSY WORKING OUT AND I CAME HERE AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. ANYWAY, SINCE THE Y'S BEEN BEAT UP SO BAD TONIGHT, I THINK I SHOULD SPEAK FOR THE Y. IKE, I THINK I LIKE YOUR IDEA ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER WITH THEM ONE ON ONE, AND I'M SURE I CAN BE BE AT THAT MEETING IF I'M ASKED. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE Y HAS SERVED THE THE WORLD OR SERVED CENTRAL OHIO. YOU CAN READ IT ALL IN THIS BOOK HERE. IT'S ALL ABOUT CENTRAL OHIO'S YMCA AND HOW MAGNIFICENT THEY'VE BEEN IN CENTRAL OHIO FOR 162 YEARS. THIS DISRESPECT THEY'VE SHOWN IN HERE IS RIDICULOUS. I SAID, I THINK THE Y THEY STAND ALONE. IF YOU HAVE THE STANDALONE, EACH OF THEM, I THINK THE Y WILL BURY THEM IN MEMBERSHIP. I SAID THE WELL DOES NOT OFFER A SILVER SNEAKERS AND THEIR MEMBERSHIP IS A LOT LOWER THAN THE Y. THEIR THE HILLIARD Y THEIR. SO AND A COUPLE FACTS ABOUT THE THE Y'S WHY WE SHOULD RESPECT THEM IS THAT. AND ALSO THE YMCA IS THE LEADING NONPROFIT IN THE NATION. AND THEY HAVE 205 2597 YMCAS IN THE US. 3500 OR 3350 2000 VOLUNTEERS ANNUALLY. YMCA IS IN THE US. I'M SORRY. THE 10,000 COMMUNITIES SERVED ACROSS THE COUNTRY $10,010.8 MILLION ADULTS SERVED 10.8 MILLION ADULTS SERVE EACH YEAR IN THE US, $1.4 BILLION, $1.4 BILLION. THEY GET ANNUAL DONATIONS. HOW MANY DONATIONS [02:25:02] DO WE GET HERE? ANYBODY HERE? ANYBODY HERE OWN A NONPROFIT? NO. OKAY. WELL, PRETTY DAMN SUCCESSFUL ABOUT IT. 6.5 MILLION CHILDREN AND TEENS SERVE EACH YEAR IN THE US, 120 COUNTRIES SERVED WORLDWIDE. I TAKE NOTICE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN HERE AND ANYBODY ELSE I KNOW, RANDY, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN AT THE Y. I DON'T THINK I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER, BUT I STILL RESPECT YOU IMMENSELY. YOU NEVER. IF YOU WALKED INTO THE Y RIGHT NOW, YOU'D THINK THAT WAS A BRAND NEW BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY THINK IT'S SO TORE APART. I MEAN, THEY GOT BEAUTIFUL WOOD ALONG THE WALL. THEY GOT BEAUTIFUL WOOD ALONG THAT WALL. IT'S BRAND NEW. THE CEILINGS ARE RIGHT. THE AIR CONDITIONING IS WAS, WAS IS MASSIVE THERE. YOU'RE COOL IN THERE. THEY GOT A BRAND NEW CARPET IN THERE. THEY GOT BRAND NEW STATE OF THE ART. THE NUMBER ONE BEST WORKOUT FACILITIES AND MACHINES IN THERE AND WEIGHTS AND EVERYTHING. THEY ALWAYS REDO THE FLOOR IN THERE. THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN REDONE. IF YOU WALKED INTO THE RESTROOMS THERE, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WERE BRAND NEW. AND YOU COME DOWN, YOU COME DOWN, I'LL COME DOWN, I'LL SHOW YOU TOMORROW. BECAUSE I'M IN THERE. I'M IN THERE EVERY DAY. THE Y'S MAGNIFICENT. THE PEOPLE THERE ARE MAGNIFICENT. THE OWNERSHIP IS MAGNIFICENT. THE PEOPLE LOVE THE Y. I RECOMMEND IT TO THE Y TO GET. I'M SURE YOU ALL SAW THIS FROM THE Y SENT. I HOPE I DILIGENTLY LIKE YOU TO ASK YOU TO READ IT AGAIN AS YOUR THING. MR. MISS BURROWS, DO YOU OWN THE ZIP LINING DOWN THERE? PART OF THE ZIP LINING DOWN AT HOCKING HILLS? YES YOU DO. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE DO BOTH STANDALONE AND I MEAN BOTH TOGETHER. AND WE SAVE OUR MONEY THAT WE PUT ZIP LINES IN OHIO, LIKE IN GROVE CITY, LIKE WESTERVILLE DOES. THEY GOT ZIP LINES THERE. YOU GO DOWN TO MYRTLE BEACH AND THEY'VE GOT ONE FOR LITTLE KIDS THAT PUT THEM IN LIKE THEIR CAR SEAT. MR. SMURTHWAITE, A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STEPS. UNFORTUNATELY. YOUR TIME. GOSH. ANYWAY, I HAVE BUILT. EXCUSE ME TED, I BUILT A WONDERFUL LIFE FOR MYSELF, A MAGNIFICENT LIFE BECAUSE I LOVE GROVE CITY AND I LOVE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS AND SMURTHWAITE. CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? I DON'T BELIEVE I'VE GOT IT ON HERE, BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, WHY THE WONDERFUL, WHY I HAVE BUILT FOR MYSELF? MR. SMURTHWAITE 2931 ANNABELLE COURT, OHIO. YOU'RE AWESOME. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO STATE OR ASK MISS KELLY, YOU KNOW THE DATA CENTER COMMITTEE, EVERYBODY'S MADE THEIR APPOINTMENTS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I HAVE AS OF TODAY, RECEIVED ALL NAMES FOR THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. SO ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT IN THE FORM OF LEGISLATION? DO WE NEED TO DO THAT OR DO YOU NOT NEED TO DO THAT? BUT I WILL PUT TOGETHER A ROSTER. OKAY, GOOD. I'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER AN EMAIL TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ABOUT. WE NEED TO SELECT A DAY ABOUT NEXT STEPS. WE JUST HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'LL SELECT A DATE AND OR SEND OUT OPTIONS OF DATES AND AND GET SOMETHING SCHEDULED WITH ALL OF THOSE MEMBERS. ABSOLUTELY. WITH ALL [Call for Dept. Reports & Closing Comments] OF THEM. MAYOR. YOUR REPORT SIR. THANK YOU, MR. BERRY. GOOD DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. THE MAYOR'S COURT REPORT IS NOT AVAILABLE. SO I HAVE NO MAYOR'S COURT REPORT. BUT I DO HAVE SEVERAL THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO COVER THIS WEEKEND WAS OR THIS ACTUALLY, SINCE LAST WEDNESDAY HAS BEEN AN INCREDIBLE 2050 ANNIVERSARY BIRTHDAY FOR OUR NATION. AND I THINK WE DID A YEOMAN'S JOB IN CELEBRATING THAT. A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS FROM OUR, THE SENIOR CENTER GROUP TO THE PEOPLE FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND FROM OUR 250 COMMITTEE WEDNESDAY NIGHT OR WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, WE HAD A VETERANS APPRECIATION AT THE SENIOR CENTER, AND I'D SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 130 PEOPLE THERE. THEY GAVE A FLAG TO LOU ARDITH, WHO'S 106TH BIRTHDAY WAS YESTERDAY AS BEING THE OLDEST VETERAN STILL LIVING HERE IN GROVE CITY. SATURDAY. THE FIREWORKS I WAS I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF FIREWORKS. MATTER OF FACT, I DON'T THINK I'VE MISSED ANY. BUT I WOULD SAY WE HAD A RECORD CROWD IN AND AROUND THE. THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH. THE COLUMBUS BRASS BAND DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, A GENTLEMAN CAME IN AND READ THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. HE WAS ALL DECKED OUT IN A REVOLUTIONARY WAR UNIFORM. A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. AND AND ANOTHER GREAT EVENT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE COULD HAVE DONE TO MAKE IT ANY BETTER. AND THEN THE OTHER PART ABOUT IT IS IT CONTINUES TO GO ON THROUGH DECEMBER, OUR 250TH ANNIVERSARY AND THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT PLANNED, IT WAS BRIEFLY MENTIONED ABOUT THE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER. WE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THAT AMENDMENT WILL BE ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. JUST TO [02:30:06] CLARIFY THINGS, I'VE SUPPLIED EACH OF YOU WITH THE. THE WHOLE 17 PAGES OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. JUST THE THINGS. A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CALL OUT IN THE SECTION TWO UNDER DEFINITIONS. THERE'S A DEFINITION FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND THE TWO REQUIREMENTS TO BE LABELED THAT WAY 20MW OF ELECTRIC AND 500,000 GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR. BUT THE ONE THAT IS MOST TROUBLING, I'M SORRY, 500,000 A DAY, ISN'T IT? THE ONE THAT'S MOST TROUBLING IS AND HAVE THE LASTING IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY IS THE 150 ACRES AND THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IS A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF A PROJECT. THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF IT, 50 ACRES. AND WE'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE MORE CLEARLY WHAT CURRENT LOCATIONS WE KNOW OF IN OUR 2050 PLAN THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT 50 ACRES WE KNOW MOUNT CARMEL WOULD. WE KNOW ALL THE LAND DOWN IN WACO, WE KNOW ALL THE LAND THAT THE MEDICAL INNOVATION AREA. AND THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT IS ALL THOSE PARTICULAR PROJECTS THAT MAY GO IN THOSE AREAS WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A REFERENDUM. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE TELLING DEVELOPERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT TILL NOVEMBER, BECAUSE IT WILL NOT. IF WE HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE WHOLE ELECTORATE. SO THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE LASTING. IT ALREADY HAS AN IMPACT IN SOME OF OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPERS. AND I JUST WANT TO REASSURE YOU THAT READ THAT DOCUMENT VERY CAREFULLY AND RAISE QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT ARE VERY CONCERNING. SO THAT'S MY BALANCE OF MY REPORT. APPRECIATE IT. MR. BOZO, NOTHING ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU. ANY DEPARTMENT HEADS, MISS KELLY? NEW ART SHOW. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY WE DID GET THE PETITIONS. THEY ARE BEING PROCESSED AND EVALUATED. SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THE AMENDMENT. ANYTHING FROM THE LAW DEPARTMENT? NOTHING TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. FINAL COMMENTS, MISS BURROWS. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. BARRY. I JUST WANTED TO SHOUT OUT TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR SERVICE TEAM, FOR THE WONDERFUL JOB THEY DID ON THE 4TH OF JULY, PUTTING OFF. IT'S A VERY SUCCESSFUL FIREWORKS. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER AS WELL THAT EVENING FOR THE CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION, I WAS I HAD FRONT ROW SEATS. IT WAS GREAT AND THE CROWD WAS GREAT. THEY WERE ALL WELL BEHAVED. I DIDN'T HAVE TO KICK ANYBODY OUT OR CALL THE POLICE, BUT AS MAYOR SAID, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SHOW. THE FINALE WAS. I'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE REACH OUT AND SAY HOW WONDERFUL THE FIREWORKS WERE THIS YEAR, WHICH I EXPECTED SINCE IT WAS AMERICA 250. BUT AGAIN, SHOUT OUT TO OUR INCREDIBLE TEAM HERE WITHIN OUR CITY. THEY JUST DID A FANTASTIC JOB, WHICH THEY DO EVERY YEAR. BUT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. MR. STURM. YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE AND THAT'S WATCHING WATCHING ONLINE AGAIN, THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU, THE PEOPLE, THE PUBLIC IS INVALUABLE AND AND FORMS OUR DECISION MAKING AS WE GO FORWARD IN ALL OF THIS. AGAIN, THE MAYOR MENTIONED IT. THE AMERICA 250 CELEBRATION CONTINUES THE WHOLE YEAR. IT DOESN'T STOP JUST BECAUSE WE PASSED THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY. SO IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE, THE GIVING FORTH IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SPIN UP. IF YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO. AMERICA 250.ORG AND THE AMERICA. 250-OHIO.ORG. THE JULY THEME, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, IS OHIO'S HOMECOMING AND PICNIC. THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF JULY, COMMUNITIES ACROSS OHIO WILL GATHER FOR FOOD, FUN, AND FRIENDSHIP, WHICH I THINK WE DO HERE IN GROVE CITY ALL THE TIME. SO I THINK WE'RE RIGHT ON POINT THERE. CELEBRATE FREEDOM, HONOR OUR NATION'S HISTORY, AND AND OBSERVE OHIO'S CONTRIBUTIONS TO AMERICA OVER THE PAST 250 YEARS. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU, MR. OMAR. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND FOR COMING AND ENGAGING IN OUR COUNCIL MEETING. I ALSO WANTED TO PUBLICLY THANK MAYOR STAGE WHO PRESENTED WHO ACTUALLY SIGNED A PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF GROVE CITY, WHERE I PRESENTED IT AT THE SOMALI AMERICAN FESTIVAL THIS WEEKEND IN HONOR OF AMERICA'S 250TH. I ALSO MADE IT BACK IN TIME FOR THE SHOW HERE IN GROVE [02:35:03] CITY, AND WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FINALE. LIKE, IT WAS AMAZING. BUT IN ECHOING AS WELL, THANK YOU TO OUR GROVE CITY DIVISION OF POLICE AS WELL AS OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT FOR KEEPING THINGS TOGETHER AND KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE. THE TRAFFIC AFTERWARDS WAS LIKE REALLY WELL DONE. YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THEY CONDUCTED THAT WAS WAS AMAZING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS ALL FOR ME TONIGHT. THANK YOU. FIRST, I ALSO WANT TO ECHO AGAIN, THANK YOU TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU TO OUR POLICE FORCE FOR AN INCREDIBLE SAFE JULY 4TH CELEBRATION. IT WAS FABULOUS. THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL I. I CAN SAY I WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE LAST CARS IN THE BACK. TOOK US NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES TO GET OUT. AND THAT'S INCREDIBLE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE. I WANT TO THANK THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT ALSO, WHO HAD A TEAM THERE DOING FREE KIDS ACTIVITIES, FACE PAINTING GAMES. OUR POLICE OFFICER AND THE DOG BO WAS THERE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, BO WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FANS OR, YOU KNOW, BIG FAN OF ALL THE KIDS. SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S WORKED SO HARD IN OUR COMMUNITY TO BRING THAT TO US. I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT PEOPLE THAT CONTINUE TO I APPRECIATE, I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE MENTIONED THIS, YOU KNOW, THE DECISIONS WE MAKE, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT I CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH, CONTINUE TO VOICE THAT THEY WANT TO STAND ALONE FACILITY. AND ESPECIALLY AFTER SEEING THE APPLES TO APPLES AND THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO GET TO THAT, THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT HAVE CERTAINLY SAID THAT THEY WANT THE STANDALONE FACILITY AND NOT THE EXPANSION OF THE WHY, AND THEY WANT A CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED EXPERIENCE. THE I DO WANT TO MAKE A NOTE BECAUSE I KNOW MR. SMURTHWAITE, A NEW BUSINESS SPOKE ABOUT THE FUNDRAISING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE YMCA ORGANIZATION. I DO WANT TO AGAIN REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE A PARKS FOUNDATION. THEY ARE IN THEIR INFANCY, BUT THEY ARE A 501 C THREE. I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THEM START TO RAMP UP AND BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY WANT TO DO, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEIR MISSION IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THEY FUNDRAISE AND BRING OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT TURNED AWAY FROM PROGRAMING. SO THAT WILL BE VERY EXCITING TO SEE THAT CONTINUE TO FURTHER, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST I DO WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE Y AGAIN, AS THE AS THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE. AND ANYONE CAN BRING THIS LEGISLATION, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE, BUT I'D BE REMISS NOT TO SAY AND I DO PLAN TO BRING FURTHER LEGISLATION FOR THIS COUNCIL TO VOTE ON. I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IS PRETTY EXCITING OVER THESE LAST SIX MONTHS WITH THE NEW COUNCIL, AS WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD WORK SESSIONS, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY GET TO A FURTHER DECISION TODAY THAN WE HAVE OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE OUR PRESIDENT BEING ABLE TO KIND OF SPEAK TO AND KIND OF REALLY HAVING EVERYBODY HERE STATE REALLY WHERE THEY ARE AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FINALLY NOW SOLIDIFY FIVE HERE HAVE STATED, FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE STATED THEY WANT A CITY OWNED AND CITY OPERATED FACILITY. THREE STATED IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION FOR PINNACLE PARK AND TWO STATED, MAYBE A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT I DO PLAN TO BRING FORTH LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN VOTE ON TO SOLIDIFY THAT. THAT IS WHAT WAS VOTED ON IN 2025, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ASKED TO BE REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT AGAIN BY THIS NEW COUNCIL AND TO REALLY TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SO I DO PLAN TO BRING FORTH LEGISLATION THAT TALKS ABOUT A STANDALONE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED. AND I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE NOTHING MORE THAN THE IDEA OF AN EXPANSION OF A POOL AT THE Y. I'M SURE PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE BIG SPLASH WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE TO EXPAND OUR OUTDOOR POOL RESOURCES. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR THAT A LOT FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WE DO HAVE FINITE RESOURCES. SO I'M, I'M SURE MAYBE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION IS WORKING TOWARDS WITH THE Y IS MAYBE ABOUT PROGRAMING OPPORTUNITIES. AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE FINITE RESOURCES. SO IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE FOR A STANDALONE FACILITY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WOULD LEAVE LEFT OVER FOR EXPANSION RIGHT NOW. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INCOME TAX INCREASE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AND MAYBE THAT IS WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE Y TO TALK ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF RESOURCES. BUT IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT FOR OUR FUTURE DOWN AT THAT GREAT INNOVATION PARK THAT THAT THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO GO TO FROM FROM MOUNT CARMEL HOSPITAL OVER TOWARDS 665. IF WE ARE THINKING ABOUT A GRAND VISION FOR OUR FUTURE AND WHAT WE WANT FOR OUR MORE THAN 40,000 RESIDENTS, AND IF WE ARE WANTING BUSINESSES TO WANT TO COME HERE AND COME TO THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARK AND SPACE THAT THAT IS BEING ENVISIONED FOR OUR COMMUNITY, I [02:40:03] DO TRULY THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES IN A COMMUNITY CENTER. SO THANK YOU GEORGE. YEP. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE THAT HAS COME THIS EVENING, AND I ALWAYS TRY TO LISTEN TO ALL THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT I GET VERSUS ON ON EMAIL AND PHONE CALLS. ET CETERA. AND TRY TO BE OBJECTIVE IN ANYTHING THAT I DO AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THIS WEEKEND. IT WAS A GREAT WEEKEND. IT WAS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN AND FIREWORKS DISPLAY WAS WAS FANTASTIC. WAS THERE FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF MAGIC THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID, BUT I KNOW IT TOOK HALF THE TIME IT NORMALLY TAKES FOR ME TO GET FROM THE FIREWORKS HOME. SO SOMETHING HAPPENED. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE JUST USED TO GOING THE RIGHT WAY OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT WORKED OUT GREAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE WITH LIMITING DEVELOPMENT, THAT THAT CONCERNS ME A GREAT DEAL BECAUSE I THINK ONE OF THE, THE BIG THINGS THAT ALLOW OUR COMMUNITY TO GROW, DEVELOP AND BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS JOBS. AND IF WE LIMIT COMPANIES FROM COMING IN OR MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A REAL STIFLING THING TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT. AND WE CAN'T LIMIT IT TO 50 ACRES. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OPERATIONS LIKE ANDRIOL DOWN THE ROAD ON 104, THAT IF THAT WAS IN GROVE CITY, THAT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT TONS AND TONS AND TONS OF TAX DOLLARS IN HERE. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A FREE STANDING OR A COMBINATION DEAL. WE'D HAVE THE MONEY TO, TO DO A. CITY OWNED, CITY OPERATED FACILITY WITHOUT ANY, ANY CONCERNS WHATSOEVER. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION PEOPLE AGAINST CAUTION PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR THERE SO THAT. RANDY. GREAT FIREWORKS. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. GOOD. OUR NEXT MEETING IS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.