* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ *A portion of this video is without audio*] [00:02:10] HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO. IT'S GREEN NOW. OKAY. PERFECT. YES, [Quail Creek Boulevard Extension on August 19, 2026.] GOOD EVENING. UH, AS SHANNON SAID, MY NAME'S CARLY MONTGOMERY. I AM, UM, ONE OF THE CITY'S CONSULTING ENGINEERS WITH EMH AND T. UM, I AM, UH, I'VE BEEN TASKED WITH, UM, LEADING THE CHARGE ON APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR THE QUAIL CREEK BOULEVARD EXTENSION PROJECT, UM, FOR OPWC FUNDING. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. IF YOU, UM, FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST TO GAUGE THE ROOM, ARE MANY OF YOU RESIDENTS OF THE AREA BUSINESS OWNERS? RESIDENTS, PERFECT BUSINESS OWNER OR BUSINESS, UH, MANAGERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? MOSTLY RESIDENT OR ALL RESIDENTS. OKAY, GREAT. GREAT. UM, HELPS TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO, RIGHT? UM, ABSOLUTELY. SO AS, UH, SHANNON MENTIONED, I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION IS AND THE FUNDING THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR. UM, AND THEN JUMP INTO A PROJECT OVERVIEW. I HAVE A COUPLE EXHIBITS AND CONCEPTS TO SHARE WITH YOU. UM, THERE, I KNOW THERE'LL BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I WOULD LIKE TO GET THROUGH, UM, DISCUSSING THE PROJECT, TALKING ABOUT PROJECT COST AND SCHEDULE. AND THEN MY GOAL IS TO OPEN THE FLOOR TONIGHT PRIMARILY TO QUESTIONS. SO I'M GONNA TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THE INFORMATION AS QUICKLY, BUT NOT AS CONFUSINGLY AS POSSIBLE. BY THE WAY, I'M A GROVE CITY RESIDENT, AND SO IS CAR. I AM. SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE A RESIDENT SERVING ON OUR ENGINEERING TEAM WITH US. SO THE OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION, UM, PROVIDES FUNDING THROUGH TWO PROGRAMS, THE STATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. UM, BOTH ARE FUNDED THROUGH GRANT LOAN COMBINATION DISBURSEMENTS. UM, THE FUNDING DOES COME FROM THE GAS TAX THAT WE ALL PAY AT THE PUMP. UM, PROJECTS THAT CAN APPLY FOR THIS FUNDING ARE, ARE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. SO WHETHER THAT BE ROADWAY, STORM WATER, UM, WASTEWATER, UM, ET CETERA. UM, IT IS A VERY COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS. WE ARE IN A DISTRICT, UM, THAT'S INCLUSIVE OF THE ENTIRETY OF FRANKLIN COUNTY. UM, MUNICIPALITIES, CITIES, VILLAGES, TOWNSHIPS, UM, ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY FOR PROJECTS. UM, THE APPLICATION IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE. UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, SHOW OUR IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS WHAT SAFETY BENEFITS, UM, COMMUNITY BENEFIT, FINANCIAL IMPACT THIS WOULD HAVE TO THE CITY. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF ABOUT 16 OR 18 DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO EXPAND UPON AND PROVIDE THE COMMITTEE. [00:05:02] AND PART OF THAT IS PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. SO ANY OF YOUR FEEDBACK, THE COMMENT FORMS, THERE'S A QR CODE I'LL HAVE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. YOU CAN SCAN IT AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO A WEBSITE TO FILL OUT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, MANY RESPONSES ALREADY, WHICH IS GREAT. ALL OF THOSE RESPONSES DO GET INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION AND ARE REVIEWED BY THE COMMITTEE. UM, I PULLED JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION. UM, THESE TWO FUNDING PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS, AND SINCE 2013, GROVE CITY ALONE HAS SUBMITTED 10 APPLICATIONS AND RECEIVED A TOTAL OF, UM, NEARLY $29 MILLION IN GRANT AND LOAN FUNDING THROUGH THIS PRO PROGRAM ALONE FOR THOSE 10 PROJECTS. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST IMAGE I'LL SHOW YOU IS THE OVERALL CONCEPT FOR THE SOUTHWEST AREA OR SOUTHWEST REGIONAL MEDICAL AND INNOVATION GATEWAY. A COUPLE TERMINOLOGY ITEMS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD. EXCUSE ME. POSSIBLY EXPAND THAT. THERE WE GO. SO, STARTING SMALL AND, AND LOOKING BIGGER. THE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS LABELED TWO A IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, THE DARK BLUE, UM, SHADED AREA. IT IS PART OF A MUCH LARGER OVERALL IMPROVEMENT FOR THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF THE CITY. UM, PART ONE IN GREEN IS THE NORTH MEADOWS DRIVE REALIGNMENT PROJECT BY MOUNT CARMEL, WHICH CONSTRUCTION WILL BE CONCLUDING THIS FALL. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT DID RECEIVE OPWC FUNDING A FEW YEARS AGO. AND THEN PART THREE A IN YELLOW. UM, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED A $4 MILLION FEDERAL EARMARK TO BEGIN THE DESIGN, AND VERY EXTENSIVE, UM, FEDERAL PROCESS FOR DESIGN OF THAT ROADWAY, WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF TWO ROUNDABOUTS AND AN OVERPASS OVER 71. SO PART THE WAY PART TWO A KIND OF FITS INTO THE OVERALL PICTURE IS TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON THIS FUTURE EAST WEST CONNECTOR FOR THE CITY. RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, 6 65 WHITE ROAD TO AN EXTENT, AND THEN COLUMBUS STREET, STRING TOWN ROAD, UM, TO GET FROM 62 1 0 4 AREA, UM, WITH, UH, THIS EXTENSION OF QUAIL CREEK BOULEVARD. WE'LL START BUILDING ON ANOTHER EAST WEST CONNECTOR, UM, IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY, WHICH WILL HELP RELIEVE TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION ON 6 65 AND STRING TOWN AND THE OTHER EAST WEST CONNECTORS IN THE CITY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT? WELL, I JUST, UH, WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE DRAWING THAT SOME OF THOSE, UM, AREAS THE ONE ROAD GOING NORTH WHERE I SHOULD PROBABLY USE MY GLASSES, SHOULDN'T I? ? OH, YES. I'M GETTING OLDER TOO. UH, SO IF YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS DEVELOPER ONE AND DEVELOPER TWO, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE DEVELOPER OF THOSE AREAS IN THAT AND THOSE QUADRANTS WOULD, UH, BE REQUIRED TO, UM, BUILD THOSE PORTIONS OF THE ROADWAY ON THAT SIDE OF THE FREEWAY. SO, UM, THE, THIS IS A, AS CARLY SAID, THIS IS A LONG LOOK TO OUR FUTURE, UH, OPENING UP MORE SPACE FOR EMPLOYMENT AREAS, MEDICAL AND SO FORTH, OFFICES, UM, PROBABLY SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, PERHAPS. THE, THE IDEA IS THAT THAT BRIDGE OVER THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A LONG LOOK. UH, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS BEFORE THAT WOULD EVEN GET UNDERWAY. MM-HMM . SO, UM, SO THIS ISN'T GONNA BE HAPPENING OVERNIGHT, UM, AND, UM, BUT IT IS PART OF A MUCH LARGER IMPORTANT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IN THE SOUTHWEST, UH, AREA THERE. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING IN PHASES, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT PART TWO A AND THEN TWO B WOULD BE CONNECTED TO THE, UH, NORTH MEADOWS DRIVE, WHICH IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP TO GET PEOPLE OVER TO, UH, THE HOSPITAL AND SO FORTH, UP AND DOWN NORTH MEADOWS DRIVE AS WELL. SO, AND CARLY INDICATED THAT, THAT THAT'S A BIG STEP TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE 6 65. SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THIS IMAGE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AT THE END. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ZOOM IN HERE. SO THIS IS [00:10:01] OUR QUAIL QUAKE BOULEVARD, UM, EXTENSION CONCEPT. UM, PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAS BEGUN, HOWEVER, IT IS STILL IN ITS INFANCY STAGES. UM, OOPS. AND SO AT THIS POINT, THIS IS PURELY A CONCEPT. IT'S CERTAINLY AN IDEA. WE HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH INTO WHAT WE THINK IT, UM, THIS ROADWAY EXTENSION WOULD MOST LIKELY LOOK LIKE IN THE END. UM, BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR IT TO LOOK DIFFERENT BEFORE IT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION IF THE PROJECT IS FUNDED. SO, UM, THE PROJECT PRI PRIMARILY, UM, CONSISTS OF THE HOOVER ROAD, QUAIL CREEK BOULEVARD INTERSECTION, UM, THERE AT THE CENTER OF THE, THE PAGE. AND THEN IT INCLUDES A NEW ROADWAY EXTENSION WEST, AND THEN CURVY NORTH, UM, TO THE KEENELAND PLACE APARTMENTS, UM, ROADWAY THAT THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEIR COMPLEX THAT THEY BUILT, UM, AS A PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT. THE ULTIMATE GOAL, AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT, UM, IS TO EXTEND A PUBLIC ROAD, UM, IN FRONT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT FURTHER NORTH, JUST LIKE WE SAW IN THE LAST VISUAL IMAGE. UM, SOME FEATURES OF THIS PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. THIS WILL BE A THREE-LANE ROAD, UM, WITH CURB AND GUTTER STORM, SEWER WATER MAIN, UM, A SIDEWALK AND SHARED USE PATH, WHICH WILL CONNECT ALL OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS AND SHARED USE PATHS IN THE, UM, IN THE VICINITY. AND THEN THE GIANT BLUE BLOB OVER TO THE RIGHT IS, UM, AN EXISTING DETENTION BASIN THAT WILL NEED TO BE, UM, REHABILITATED, UM, AND EXPANDED SLIGHTLY TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE FOR THE FACT THAT THIS ROADWAY EXTENSION WILL BE CUTTING THROUGH THE TWO PONDS THAT ARE THERE IN FRONT OF KROGER CURRENTLY. SO IT IS PART OF THE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE CITY. CAN YOU RESTATE SOME OF THAT? YOUR, YOUR, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CUTTING COUPONS IN FRONT OF KROGER, KROGER. CAN WE, CAN WE HOLD THE QUESTIONS TILL THE END? YEAH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. BUT JUST WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT ONE. THANK YOU. I DON'T, YEAH, THE ONE IS UNDERNEATH THE, THE GRAY ROADWAY SHADING, BUT THE, THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE ROAD THAT I THINK EVERYONE KIND OF SEES FROM HOOVER. AND AS YOU GO INTO THAT KROGER ENTRANCE, UM, UM, IS THERE CLOSEST TO THE, TO THE ROUNDABOUT? OOPS. ALRIGHT. UM, I'M ALMOST, UH, THROUGH HERE, ALMOST READY FOR QUESTIONS. JUST GOING THROUGH SOME PROJECT COST AND THE FUNDING SCHEDULE. THE TOTAL PROJECT COST JUST UNDER 6.7 MILLION IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING RIGHT NOW. WE ARE REQUESTING 5 MILLION OF THAT FROM OPWC, UM, FROM THOSE PRO PROGRAMS, THERE IS A, A LIMIT TO WHERE OUR, OUR SCORE WILL START TO DECLINE IF WE ASK FOR TOO MUCH. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE SWEET SPOT FOR THIS PROJECT IS RIGHT AROUND 5 MILLION. UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR A 50% GRANT, 50% LOAN, UH, FUNDING SCENARIO. AND, UM, WITH A 0% INTEREST LOAN OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS 30 YEARS, UM, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY LEAVES 1.7 MILLION FOR AN OUT-OF-POCKET COST FOR THE CITY. I GUESS ONE, ONE MORE ITEM I'LL ADD TO PROJECT COST IS WHEN THE LAN PLACE APARTMENTS CAME IN AND THROUGH THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT WAS, UM, A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY FOR THIS ROADWAY. UM, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING GOING THROUGH THERE. AND SO THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS ALREADY DEDICATED AND WILL NOT BE PURCHASED, UM, EITHER WITH THIS PROJECT OR THE NEXT PROJECT SCHEDULE. UM, AS SHANNON MENTIONED EARLIER, NEXT FRIDAY'S OUR DEADLINE FOR, UM, OUR APPLICATION SUBMISSION. UM, WE'LL FIND OUT IF FUNDING, UM, IS AWARDED TO THE PROJECT, WHETHER THAT BE IN FULL OR PARTIAL, UM, AROUND MID-DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN THAT FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR. AND THEN SOON AFTER THAT, THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE DESIGN READY FOR IF FUNDING IS, IS AWARDED, UM, THEN WE CAN ROLL RIGHT INTO CONSTRUCTION, UM, NEXT AUGUST PLUS OR MINUS A MONTH OR SO, WE EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO TAKE ROUGHLY A YEAR. I'M NOT COMMITTING TO THAT RIGHT NOW. UM, LIKE [00:15:01] I SAID, THE, THE PROJECT IS STILL IN ITS INFANCY IN DESIGN. WE HAVE NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW TRAFFIC WILL BE MAINTAINED RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE. UM, WE HAVE BEEN, I SAY WE, I'M SORRY, GROVE CITY HAS BEEN PUSHING CONTRACTORS AND, UM, THE MOST RECENT PROJECTS TO GET THINGS DONE IN A MUCH SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME. IT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. UM, BUT THESE LAST FEW PROJECTS, AND SO WE'LL CERTAINLY CONTINUE THAT GOAL, UM, WITH THIS ONE. SO, KYLE, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, , IF IF IT'S FUNDED, IF THE PROJECT IS FUNDED? WELL, I MEAN, WE, I'M SORRY, LEMME SPEAK TO THE MIC. SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE IF, UM, IF WE HAVE TO FUND MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. IF WE DON'T GET THE 5 MILLION FOR INSTANCE, UH, WE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH. SO, BUT IF WE GET THE FUNDING, I WOULD SAY IT'S HIGHLY PROBABLE THAT WE WOULD PROCEED. UM, , WELL, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE YOUR OPINIONS AND EVERY OPINION PRO OR CON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION. UM, SO I THINK THE ENGINEERING AND THE TRAFFIC MOVEMENT AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO DOWN THERE TO MOVE PEOPLE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. AND, UH, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ROUNDABOUTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE THEM. I PERSONALLY LIKE THEM. I ACTUALLY DROVE A FEW IN IRELAND AND YOU'RE GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, SO IT'S KIND OF TRICKY. BUT, UM, THEY REALLY DO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, STATISTICS PROVE THIS OUT THAT THEY ARE SAFER. UH, THEY MOVE CARS FASTER, UM, AND SOMETIMES EVEN QUICKER AND FASTER AT LOWER SPEEDS BECAUSE THEY KEEP MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING. UM, BECAUSE TEXAS RIGHT THERE, THE WILLOWS AND THE LANDINGS MM-HMM . AND THAT TRAFFIC IS CONTINUUM NEVER STOPS FROM THE WILLOWS TO TURN LEFT IS GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE. MM-HMM . AND FROM THE LANDINGS TO TURN LEFT, IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE. MM-HMM. AT LEAST RIGHT NOW WHEN THE LIGHT'S RED, YOU HAVE TO GET OUT. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. AND THOSE ARE THE KIND OF COMMENTS THAT WE TO HEAR FROM Y'ALL BECAUSE LIKE AS, UH, CARLY INDICATED THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY DESIGN, UH, IT MAY END UP LOOKING DIFFERENT. UM, I WOULD SAY THE ODDS OF US GOING TO AN EXPANDED, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS PROBABLY NOT WHAT WE'D WANT TO DO BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SAFE. BUT THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE VERY CLOSE. YEAH. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I, THIS IS NOT A FINAL DESIGN. I MEAN, WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE. UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, UNTIL WE GET INTO THE DESIGN, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY FOR THE APPLICATION TO BE CONSIDERED. UM, IF WE GET THE MONEY, THEN THE DESIGN WILL WORK AND BEGIN IN, IN EARNEST. SO, AND THEN AT THE WILLOWS, THAT'S OUR ONLY EXIT OUT THERE. MM-HMM . THE LANDINGS HAS ANOTHER ONE ON MM-HMM. PLACE. RIGHT. THEY HAVE A SECOND OPTION. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS JUST TO APPLY FOR THE MONEY. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE GOT THE MONEY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL LOT OF DESIGN. IT WOULDN'T EVEN BEGIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR. SO WE HAVE THAT TIME TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE ISSUES. BUT I BELIEVE YOU SAID IF YOU GET THE MONEY YOU'RE DOING ROUNDABOUT NO MATTER WHAT. WELL, ARE YOU GONNA MOVE THE ENTRANCES TO THESE CONDO? WELL, I PREFER CONDO RIGHT NOW, AND THERE WAS ONE I LEFT RIGHT THERE. GUESS WHAT? I PROBABLY WON'T BUY IT. YEAH, I'LL FIND SOME. SO, WELL AGAIN, YOU BETTER SELL IT BEFORE WE START. YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, THE DESIGN, THE FINAL DESIGN IS NOT DONE. WE CAN'T ANSWER ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS. THERE ARE MANY, MANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED. THIS IS JUST TO APPLY FOR THE FUNDS TO GET GOING. YES MA'AM. 'CAUSE THE ROUNDABOUT WOULD BRING MORE TRAFFIC FOR SURE. UH, NOT NECESSARILY. UH, IT WOULD MOVE THEM. PEOPLE WILL USING THAT ROADWAY, THE EVENTUALLY THAT'S THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE ON RUN. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT IS TO BE REVIEWED. YOU KNOW, THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE DONE IN THE, UH, PART WHERE THEY DO THE TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THAT WILL BE DETERMINED. BUT YEAH, WE DO WANNA MOVE PEOPLE ACROSS THAT FREEWAY. SO THAT WILL RE ALLEVIATE SOME PRESSURE ON 6 65. SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO WAYS TO GO EAST AND WEST AT THAT POINT, NOT JUST ONE WHICH WE HAVE NOW. SO IS QUILT CREEK GOING CONTINUE? I DUNNO HOW FAR IT GOES TO THE EAST. I NEVER DRIVEN THAT. AND, AND THE MAP THAT LOOKS LIKE IT CLEARED ONE, [00:20:02] ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT ROUNDABOUT, IT'S ACTUALLY ONCE YOU PASS THAT FARM ON THE LEFT WITH THE BIG, UM, CARD MM-HMM. IT BECOMES ROAD. BUT YEAH, IT BASICALLY WORKS AS A CONTINUOUS ROAD GONNA BUILD A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA CUT US 500 HOUSES DOWN HERE. UH, IT WOULD BE FURTHER TO THE SOUTHEAST, UH, ALONG 6 65 IS THE ONE THAT I THINK YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO FLOW INTO. YES. UM, NOT DIRECTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WILL, SOME PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO GO THAT WAY, I'M SURE, BUT YOU HAD 500 HOUSES, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET IN AND YOUR PLACE IF YOU LIVE OFF . NEVER CONDO. NEVER. WELL AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S ALL TO BE LOOKED AT DURING THE ENGINEERING. BUT YOU SAID IT DON'T MATTER REALLY. IT DON'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU SAID THEY'RE GONNA DO IT NO MATTER WHAT. WE WOULD PURSUE THIS PROJECT IF WE GET FUNDING, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE WILL, AND THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THE MONEY YET. ALL THE ENGINEERING AND DESIGN HAS TO TAKE PLACE THAT WAS JUST SUBMITTED TO HELP THE APPLICATION PROCESS. BUT ONCE YOU GET AWARD, BUT IF YOU GET AWARDED THE MONEY, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING, WE WILL DO SOMETHING THERE TO IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION. HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE? HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO USE THE MONEY? UM, ONCE WE HAVE THREE YEARS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING LIKE THE MONEY IS AWARDED IN JULY, STRUCTURE BEGIN IN AUGUST WHEN SCHOOL IS STARTING, AND YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO GET TO UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTION AND ROAD SHUT DOWN THE TIMING. IF YOU HAVE THREE YEARS AT THE TIMING, HAVE YOUR PUSH WELL, GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA SAY, COME UP HERE. IT, IT COULD, UM, HOWEVER, WITH THE SIZE OF THIS PROJECT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE IN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT. SO THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME OVERLAP. BUT I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING WHEN YOU HAVE THIS PROJECT AND THERE'S SECTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE DONE NOT ON UBER AND DO THE UBER, ARE WE OR WE WILL CERTAINLY, UH, LOOK AT SEQUENCING AND CONSTRUCTION? YES. WHEN DO YOU START THE ROUNDABOUT ON HER? WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME, I WANT TO ANSWER A PART OF HER QUESTION AND I DON'T THINK WE ANSWERED CLEARLY. SO WHEN WE GET NOTIFIED THAT WE, THE MONEY WOULD BE, UH, GIVEN TO US, SO TO SPEAK, UM, AWARDED AND I GUESS IS A BETTER TERM, UM, WHEN YOU GET AWARDED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, THE TIMEFRAME TO USE IT IS IMPERATIVE BECAUSE THE LONGER YOU DELAY THE COST EX ESCALATION, IF YOU ATE THREE YEARS TO START THE PROCESS, THAT $7 MILLION PROJECT WOULD BE 10. AND SO THE IDEA OF WHEN YOU GET THE MONEY, YOU PUT IT OUT TO BID. AND, UM, THAT'S WHY THE, THE LAG BETWEEN WHEN WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED AND WE'D WANT TO START THE PROJECT IS MINIMAL BECAUSE OF THE COST ESCALATION PROBLEM. AND THEN WHEN YOU AWARD THE PROJECT, THEY HAVE X NUMBER OF MONTHS TO GET IT DONE. UM, AND IF THEY DON'T, THERE ARE PENALTIES. UH, BUT ALL THAT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. UM, AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE MAY COME BACK AND FIND OUT THAT OUR ESTIMATE MAY BE EVEN TOO HIGH, UM, OR MAYBE TOO LOW. BUT THIS IS A BEST GUESS BASED ON A VERY PRELIMINARY DRAWING. AND IF THE MONEY IS APPROVED, IF WHATEVER AMOUNT OF MONEY IS APPROVED, IT HAS TO BE FOR THAT SECTION, THAT AREA NOT, IT CAN'T BE LIKE, OH, WE'RE THROUGH ALL OF OUR STUDY THROUGH. SO YOU PUT THE APPLICATION IN, THEY HAVE IT, IT'S FOR THAT AREA. CORRECT. THE DESIGN MAY CHANGE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CORRECT. BUT SOMETHING'S HAPPENING THERE REGARDLESS. YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS MONEY IS FOR FOUR ROAD 6 65, WHICH IT HAS TO BE. SO YOU'RE, SO REGARDLESS OF THE DESIGN YEAH. CAN CHANGE. RIGHT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. YEAH. AND, AND WE WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF 6 65 GOING EAST AND WEST TO GET TO THE OTHER. YOU, I DON'T THINK, WERE YOU HERE FOR THE OTHER DRAW? OKAY. SO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE CONNECTING AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE, THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE 'EM BEFORE THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S NICE IF YOU'RE HAVING IT EXPLAINING IT, BUT ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY? SO WE HAVEN'T YET, BUT IT'S LIKE WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD YOU NOT GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND GATHER INFORMATION BEFORE YOU'RE TURNING INTO ? WELL, THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT DIAGRAM WAS TALKED ABOUT [00:25:02] A NAUSEUM FOR A COUPLE YEARS, PROBABLY FOR THAT WHOLE SECTION DOWN THERE THAT WE WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING HERE. UM, THE FACT THAT WE DECIDED THAT WE ARE IN A FINANCIAL POSITION TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT. UM, 1.6 MILLION. CORRECT. THAT'S NOT GONNA RAISE TAXES. NO, IT'S, IT, WE, THE, THE MONEY THAT COMES IN, WE ALREADY EVERY YEAR EARMARKED FOR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY TAX RAISE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. SO WE LOOK EACH YEAR WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD? AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS PROBABLY NOT TOO LONG AGO WE DECIDED THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO GO FOR NOW BECAUSE WE FELT WE WERE IN A POSITION TO SCORE WELL. UM, AND WE, THE, WHAT WAS THE PRELIMINARY DRAWING KIND OF PUT TOGETHER, FINISHED FOR THAT? THE ONE THAT WE SHOWED TONIGHT? UM, IT WAS JUST LIKE A FEW WEEKS AGO. YEAH. SO I MEAN, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE TO, TO MAKE DECISIONS AND GET A PRELIMINARY DRAWING AND APPLY FOR, UH, GRANTS IS, IS VERY, THE VERY SHORT WINDOW. I MEAN, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS BEFORE, WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAD THAT DRAWING TO SHOW YOU. SO IT'S A VERY COMPRESSED, UM, COMPETITIVE SITUATION. AND, UM, SO, AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO COME AND DO THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA EVEN BEGIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR. SO, WHICH I, WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE MC YEAH. AND ALL THAT. SO I MEAN, WE APPRECIATE YOU WERE GIVING US INFORMATION RIGHT. AND THAT WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE MM-HMM . SURE. AND, AND, AND I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT WHOLE, UM, DRAWING THAT SHE SHOWED FIRST WITH ALL THE, THE ROADS ON IT. UM, I THINK, YEAH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROBABLY, UH, THREE THE LAST I'VE BEEN HERE ON TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND IT'S BEEN TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT COUNCIL MEETINGS EVEN, UM, THAT THIS IS THE PLAN OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THE 2050 PLAN, THIS IS ALL DERIVED, BUT THE 2050 PLAN IS ALSO UNDER REVIEW. YES. MM-HMM . IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING THIS, BUT WE'RE BASING ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS ON THE 2050 PLAN, WHICH IS UNDER REVIEW. MM-HMM. IF THAT CHANGES, HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THIS? I WOULD SAY THAT THIS AREA AND OPENING IT UP NOW ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT I, THE ONLY PARTS OF THIS THAT I THINK ARE PROBABLY PRETTY, UM, LEGITIMATE AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THOSE OTHER ROADS ARE GONNA LINE UP NECESSARILY. THE, THE, AGAIN, THAT'S A CONCEPT THAT SAID, HERE'S HOW IT COULD HAPPEN. UM, WE KNOW THAT THE GREEN PART, I KEEP WALKING AWAY FROM THAT AND IT CAN'T RECORD ME. WE KNOW THAT GREEN PART IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. PARDON ME? I SAID IF YOU ASKED ME SPRINGTOWN ROADS MUST WORK CONGEST THAN 6 65 BECAUSE I TRAVEL BOTH YES. AT AT PEAK HOURS OF, OF, UH, WORK, GOING TO WORK AND COMING. ABSOLUTELY. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT 6 65 IS MORE CONSTANT THAN THE PEAK HOURS. SO HOW DOES THIS TAKE TRAFFIC? ALMOST 6 65. BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO EAST WEST WILL NOT HAVE TO GO 6 65. THEY'LL BE ABLE WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GET ON WHAT CREEK? WELL, THEY COULD GET, THEY COULD GET ON QUILT CREEK FROM THE EAST AND COME WEST. WHERE AT? FROM THE EAST. WELL, IT, I MEAN, QUAIL CREEK CONTINUES TO GO. IT CHANGES NAMES, BUT IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, SO THEY GO MORE, IT COULD, THEY COULD COME DOWN WEST THEN AND GET ON QUAIL CREEK, JUST LIKE PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME. I LIVE UP BY, UM, UM, WELL, I LIVE OVER BY, UH, PINNACLE AND, UH, WHITE SO MANY TIMES I GO DOWN THAT WAY AND I GO THAT WAY AND I GO TO KROGER THAT WAY. THAT'S HOW I GO TO KROGER. AND SO, NO, NO, I LIVE UP AT WHITE ROAD, BUT I GO DOWN THERE AND CROSS. YEAH. I THOUGHT I SAW A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT THAT WAS GONNA BE POTENTIALLY AT BIRCH A NOT AT QUAIL CREEK, EVEN THOUGH THEY CALL IT QUAIL CREEK. I SAW SOME DIAGRAMS THAT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A ROUNDABOUT AT BIRCH BACK THERE THAT I NOT SEE THEM, BUT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO PUZZLE OVER THIS BOOK PROBABLY THREE YEARS SINCE I SAW THE ORIGINAL THING OVER HERE AT THAT. SO THE INTERSECTION TO THE NORTH. YEAH. SO, SO THE, THE TWO BLACK LINES WHERE THE LITTLE LINES ARE THAT I THOUGHT I SAW THAT IS PERFECT THERE. WELL, CURRENTLY THERE IS A, A CORE, A CUL-DE-SAC FOR THE KEENELAND PLACE APARTMENTS. YEAH. UM, BUT, BUT YOU NEVER, THE PLAN WAS NEVER TO DO IT FROM THAT POINT. NOT AT CREEK, BUT UP THERE, RIGHT? YEAH. THAT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE BECAUSE THEN [00:30:01] YOU'D HAVE TO, UM, JOG ON HOOVER ROAD AND THAT THIS IS MORE OF A CONTINUOUS, ON HOOVER YOU HAVE TO JOG ON CREEK, BUT SAVE OUR, OUR PEOPLE, WERE NOT GONNA, THEY WOULD BE COMING UP QUAIL CREEK, AURORA, AND THEN GOING NORTH ON HOOVER AND THEN EAST, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN GO, GO TO . WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO EAST WEST AT BIRCH PARK AND SOMEBODY WOULD USE IT. YEAH. IN AND OUTTA THE, YOU'RE SITTING THERE WAITING, OKAY, SO THIS TRAFFIC COULD TURN LEFT, THIS TRAFFIC'S, BUT THEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN A, THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA GO ON OR THEY GONNA COME THIS WAY? MM-HMM . AND IT'S SO CLOSE. MM-HMM . I CLOSE, I HAVE A QUESTION PLAYING DODGE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OFF ROAD. OKAY. JUST NORTH OF WHERE ROAD THE MOUNTAIN IS A LITTLE ACCESS AREA RIGHT THERE. IS THERE A PROPOSED TRAFFIC LIGHT FOR THAT AREA? WHAT, WHERE WAS THAT? I'M SORRY. RIGHT. ACCESS TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX OFF OF YEAH. APARTMENT COMPLEX. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN BUILT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR? YES. THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS OFF OF THIS EXTENSION. THEY NO TALKING ABOUT OFF OF WHEN YOU MAKE THE POND IS HERE. SEE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BACK TO THE BLUE RIGHT THERE. YEAH. KEEN PLACE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. PROPOSED TRAFFIC. NO SURE. TOLD CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE THAT THERE IS NO, OKAY. I'LL BE SHORT. YEAH. THAT JUST CRAZY MORE CONGESTION IN MY OPINION. RIGHT. AND IT DOES POSE A VERY SHORT DISTANCE. RIGHT. EXCUSE ME, FOR 33 YEARS STARTED. MM-HMM. NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME I CAN'T USE HOOPER ROAD BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING IN A ROUND WITHOUT, IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET TO KROGER, I HAVE TO GO DOWN CREEK TO BORE TO 6 65 BACK MM-HMM . OR GO THROUGH THE LANDINGS AND TAKE OFF MY NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN EXTRA AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE, UH, POSSIBILITY. YOU MEAN YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A FROM THIS ROUND? YEAH. YOU'LL BILL WAS BILL. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THERE WILL BE SEVERAL MONTHS WHERE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE, WHERE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE BRIDGE THAT THEY JUST OPENED TODAY. THEY LONG ENOUGH THE BUSES, THEN THEY TOOK IT DOWN TO ONE LANE, THEY STOPPED THE FUNERAL, THEY STOPPED IN AN EMERGENCY ROAD VEHICLE BECAUSE YOU TOOK OUT THE EXTRA LANE. SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT AROUND ABOUT ANY POPABLE MAP. UH, THAT'LL BE LONG DONE BEFORE THIS IS INITIATED. IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU'RE STILL, I'D BE ABLE TO WALK TO KROGER IF I COULD WALK THAT FAR. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S TRUE. UM, IT MAY BE DIFFICULT, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH, UH, NORTH MEADOWS, UH, WE, IT'S NOT DONE. CORRECT. AND YOU CAN STILL GO FROM 6 65 NORTH TO THE HOSPITAL THROUGH IT. UM, I'M 78 YEARS OLD. DO YOU THINK I'M GONNA BE DOWN TO TRAFFIC IN THE ROUNDABOUT TO TRY TO GET TO KROGER IF I'M WALKING? I WOULDN'T EVEN, I I WOULDN'T EVEN DO IT MYSELF. WELL, THERE YOU GO. I MEAN, YEAH, BUT I MEAN, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THERE ARE INCONVENIENCES. I'M NOT GONNA SAY THERE ISN'T, BECAUSE THERE ARE. AND, UH, ANYTIME YOU BUILD ANYTHING, I'M SORRY. AFTER CONSTRUCTION ONE'S COMPLETE, IT'S DANGEROUS TO CROSS AS A PEDESTRIAN IN A ROUNDABOUT. OH YEAH. YEAH. VERY DANGEROUS. AGAIN, THE SIGNALIZATION OF IT AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC MOVING NORTH ON HOOVER, UM, AND THE CROSSING, AND, AND AGAIN, ALL OF THOSE DETAILS HAVE NOT BEEN FLESHED OUT. THERE'RE, I MEAN, WE ARE, YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER YET, I'M SORRY. BUT RIGHT NOW AT THAT LIGHT, WHEN YOU WALK TO THAT CORNER, YOU HAVE THE BUTTON YOU CAN PUSH. CORRECT. RIGHT. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S HIGHLY PROBABLE. AND THEY DO TRAFFIC THAT THE DESK BRING IN. ABSOLUTELY. GATHER STATS AND CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. BUT IT'S ALSO A 24 HOUR PERIOD. LIKE ARE YOU GONNA DO DAY? ARE YOU GONNA DO A SCHOOL DAY, LIKE THE TRAFFIC 24 PERIOD, AN AVERAGE DAY? BUT IT'S DIFFERENT ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON. IT'S DIFFERENT ON A SATURDAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN SCHOOL IS IN. WELL, THEY, IT NEEDS TO EXPAND THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC [00:35:01] STUDIES AS YOU REFER TO, THEY'RE NOT JUST ONE FOUR HOUR PERIOD. IT IS MULTIPLE DAYS, MULTIPLE SEASONS, UM, DIFFERENT DAYS OF THE WEEK. SO IT IS MULTIPLE. THE OTHER, THE OTHER MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO WHEN THEY SAID THEY'VE DONE TRAFFIC STUDIES, THEY'VE ALL SAID IT'S A 24 HOUR PERIOD. IT WAS THIS THIRD, A THURSDAY. IT WAS A TUESDAY. I THE LAST TWO MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TO. YEAH. WELL, SOME PROJECTS ARE BIGGER AND WARRANT MORE AND THIS CERTAINLY IS. YEAH. YES. YES MA'AM. UM, I'M ASKING ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDY. DID YOU DO ONE ING THE VEHICLES? IT'S IN SEVEN DAYS AND THEN AVERAGE IT OUT FOR THE WEEK? 'CAUSE THAT WHAT IS NORMALLY DONE WHEN YOU'RE GONNA AFFECT SUCH AN AREA. ONE SECOND. ONE SECOND. LET'S ASK, ANSWER HER QUESTION. FIRST AFTERNOON, I STOPPED AT THE FIRE HALL AND I SPOKE TO FIVE FIREMEN AND THEY ALL TOLD ME THAT A ROUNDABOUT THERE WOULD BE THEIR SERVICE, EMERGENCY SERVICE. NO. WELL, THEY'RE THE ONES DRIVING THE BIG, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT BRIDGE ALL THE TIME. WELL, I BELIEVE THEM. WELL, THEY'RE NOT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS EITHER, BUT WELL, THEY'RE THE ONES DRIVING THE VEHICLES. YEAH, THATS TRUE. AND DELIVERY TRUCKS, I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A MESS. WE, WE WAIT, WAIT, RIGHT HERE. AND THEY DO IT WHILE UBER ROAD WAS CLOSED. SO THAT, OR DID THEY DO, UH, THE STUDY'S NOT COMPLETELY FINISHED YET FOR THIS PROJECT. SO THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE DOING THAT WORK AND THEY'LL TAKE ALL THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. THEY HAVE TO TAKE IN WHAT IS CURRENT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE RULE ON THE FOOTING FOR ENTRANCES AT A ROUNDABOUT? YEAH. THE, THE WHAT NOW, THE, HOW CLOSE CAN AN ENTRANCE BE TO A ROUNDABOUT? UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. UM, YOU CAN HAVE ENTRANCES EXTREMELY CLOSE TO A ROUNDABOUT. SO IF YOU DRIVE SOME, IF, IF, IF YOU'LL LET ME FINISH, PLEASE. IF YOU DRIVE SOME ROUNDABOUTS THROUGHOUT COLUMBUS, YOU'LL OFTEN SEE, UM, CUT THROUGHS, UM, LIKE, KINDA LIKE DRIVEWAYS THROUGH, THROUGH THE SPLITTER MEDIANS. THIS IS NOT A CASE WHERE WE WOULD NEED THAT. UM, BUT THERE, THERE ARE, UM, THE, THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN A DRIVEWAY OR ANOTHER CROSS STREET TO THE CENTER OF THE ROUNDABOUT IS DETERMINED ON THE, THE TRAFFIC, THE SPEED OF THE ROADWAY. UM, VV, VARIOUS OTHER FACTORS. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, OR LIKE SHANNON SAID, WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING THAT. AND, UM, BUT I HAVE SEEN MANY VERY CLOSE THAT ARE ARE SCARY. HOWEVER, REGARDS TO, UM, ROUNDABOUT SAFETY FOR VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT, UM, I'LL PROVIDE SHANNON TO POST WITH THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL FOR INFORMATION ON, UM, WHY, UM, ROUNDABOUTS, YOU KNOW, ARE STATISTICALLY CONSIDERED FAVORED OVER SIGNALED INTERSECTIONS. YES, MA'AM. THE DIAGRAM, I KNOW YOU SAID DESIGN LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE ROUNDABOUT, BUT AS YOU ADD THESE OTHER THINGS, LIKES AND ALL THIS GONNA TURN OUT TO BE A MULTI ONE ARE ESPECIALLY PEOPLE LANE TO GET INTO, TO GET OFF TO THE RIGHT PART OF THE LARGE UP TO YEAH. THE, THE, THOSE MULTI-LANE ROUNDABOUTS ARE ARE PRETTY SCARY. RIGHT. UM, THE, THE, THE, THE STATISTICS SAY A SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUT IS THE SAFEST. UM, THE, IF WE START ADDING MORE AND MORE LANES, YOUR SAFETY BENEFIT STARTS DECREASING. UM, LOOK AT DOUBLE AND IN BRIDGE PARK FOR AN EXAMPLE, UM, MORRISON 6 0 5 FOR AN EXAMPLE, UM, RIGHT. NO, THIS WILL BE DESIGNED FOR A SINGLE LANE. UM, IT WILL BE DESIGNED FOR, UM, USING GROVE CITY 2050 AND FOR A 20 YEAR TRAFFIC PREDICTION. AND SO, UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN FULLY VETTED, BUT THERE IS, THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO CONSIDER ANY LARGER FOOTPRINT FOR A ROUNDABOUT FOR THIS PROJECT. I LOST IT AND I CAN'T GET IT BACK. I WELL, IT'S STILL UP THERE. OH, IS IT STILL UP THERE? OH, OKAY. IT'S NOT UP HERE. HUH? GOOD, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OVER. YES MA'AM. CONSTRUCTION KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT A SECOND AGO WITH, UM, ACCESS, SHUT DOWN THAT INTERSECTION, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE, OH, THANK YOU. INCREASE IN TRAFFIC LOAD AT LIKE BORDER ROAD AND 6 65 MM-HMM . AND THAT, I DUNNO ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE HERE, BUT LIKE, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKE A VERY, VERY [00:40:01] DANGEROUS INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE. AND SO THAT IS LIKE, SO CONCERNING. YEAH. I, I DON'T DISAGREE. AND TO USE THAT INTERSECTION TO GET ONTO SIX 65,004, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY WITH THE STATE OF OHIO AND THE COUNTY, UM, BECAUSE THAT IS OUT THAT'S IN THE TOWNSHIP AND WE, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A MONTH GOES BY THAT WE DON'T TRY TO GET THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING SOMETHING AT THAT INTERSECTION BEFORE HAPPENS. WELL, I DOUBT THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN BEFORE THIS BECAUSE IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA TAKE SEVERAL YEARS, I WOULD IMAGINE. BUT BY, BY THE TIME THEY DECIDE TO DO IT AND GET IT CONSTRUCTED, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT LONG. WE'RE BUILDING THIS TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE HOUSES ON 6 65 MORE OR LESS. MM. THAT'S NOT TRUE. YEAH, WELL, YOU CAN SAY THAT, BUT PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD THE ROADS BEFORE YOU BUILD HOUSES? AND THEN WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND THEN WE COULD CONDEMN FOR BUILDING IT FOR THE FUTURE. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A NO WIN SITUATION. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT THEY HAVE THESE PEOPLE THAT THINK SHE'S GONNA SELL HER CONDO. MM-HMM . WE'RE NOT GONNA BUY THERE NOW. YEAH. WE'RE JUST NOT. WELL, YOU HAVE TO ALSO ALL OUT, BUT GUESS WHAT? I HAVE NO WAY BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THIS WHEN PEOPLE BUILD IN A COMMUNITY. UM, WHEN, WHEN THAT, UM, DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT, I'M SURE THERE WERE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA THAT HAD BEEN USED TO FARMLAND IN THAT AREA THAT WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING, NOT HAVING, THEY WERE IN FAVOR OF NOT HAVING CONDOMINIUMS THERE. RIGHT. AND SO EVERY, EVERY SO OFTEN PEOPLE WILL SAY, I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I LIVE HERE. WELL, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT PROBABLY SINCE 1852 WHEN GROVE CITY WAS FOUNDED, THAT EVERY TIME THAT THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, IT'S LIKE, I DON'T WANT THIS. I'M HERE. I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE, BUT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA COME IN AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD THEY'RE GONNA SAY THE SAME THING. BUT WE DO HAVE TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND BUILD TO THE FUTURE AND TO OPEN UP THAT AREA OVER THERE. THE ONLY WAY IT MAKES SENSE IS TO HAVE ENOUGH ANOTHER EAST WEST CONNECTOR TO GET ACROSS THE FREEWAY. AND IF THEY BUILD THAT, ARE THEY, ARE THEY TELL ME ABOUT THE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. OH, ABSOLUTELY. AND I SAY THIS IN A WAY BECAUSE I'M IN OF THOSE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA MM-HMM . AND TO PULL OUT ON A BUSY ROAD AND NEVER STOP STOPPING. MM-HMM . YOU'RE HAVE ACCIDENT. ACCIDENT. WELL AGAIN, I MEAN, THERE ARE STATISTICS AND DISTANCES THAT PROVE THAT THIS IS SAFER THAN HAVING A SIGNAL ICE INTERSECTION SO AWAY FROM THEABOUT. WELL, AGAIN, THAT'S HOW CLOSE BOTH OF THOSE ENTRANCES TO ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. WILL BE. ABSOLUTELY. WHY NOT JUST HAVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS LIKE IT'S NOW, THAT'S JUST NO, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT QUAIL CREEK EITHER WAY. I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S TO ME, YOU KNOW, I LIVED IN A SOUTHERN GROVE ESTATE. WE FOUGHT AND FOUGHT AND FOUGHT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO TIE 800 HOUSES INTO OUR STREETS. WE HAD 50 HOUSES ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT. WE FOUGHT THAT, BUT THEY GOT A LITTLE STREET NAMED SAME AS MINE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT. THAT'S WHY I'M MOVING. AND NOW WE GOT, WE HAD FIRM LAND. NOW WE HAVE HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE FRICKING APARTMENT BUILDINGS. THEY'RE SO BIG. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE, IT'S ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT. I'M JUST SAYING THEY HAVE NO CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT IS ESTABLISHED. NOW. ANYBODY WITH THE BRAIN KNOWS THAT THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE TOO CLOSE TO THAT ROUNDABOUT. IT'S TOO CLOSE TO TRY AND GET IN AND OUT. WELL, THEY, THAT THEY WILL EXAMINE ALL THAT DURING THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND DURING THE, YOU SAID THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, DONE STUDY? NO, THEY WILL, BUT IT'S NOT, THEY'VE DONE A STUDY ON QUA CREEK. NOW THAT'S GONNA BE NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT'S COMING DOWN ONCE THEY GET THE SIX SIX, THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT COMPLETE. THAT THIS, IT'S NOT COMPLETE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S STILL NOT GONNA BE LEGIT BECAUSE IT'S NOT DONE. PEOPLE CAN'T COME FROM, IT WON'T STOP UBER OR 6 65 TRAFFIC, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, TAKING TRAFFIC OFF 6 65 AND THAT TAKING IT TO 12 CREEK IN, IN THE MODELING THAT IS FULL, FULL BUILD OUT OF THE ENTIRE SOUTHWEST AREA IS CONSIDERED. BUT YOU'RE, I MEAN, YOU'RE SPECULATING THERE'LL BE THIS MUCH MORE TRAFFIC THAN THERE IS NOW IN 12TH THREE. CORRECT. YEAH, WE, IT, IT HA I MEAN, WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK, IS IT 30 YEARS? 2020, UH, THIS, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT. YEAH. UM, AT THE ACTUAL ROUNDABOUT ITSELF, [00:45:01] I KNOW THERE'S A WEST BANK BANK, THERE'S ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO ON. DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT WHAT YOU'LL BE ABSORBING TO CREATE THE ROUNDUP? YOU BE TAKING THE BANK AWAY OR RELOCATING INFRASTRUCTURE? ? NO, WITH, WITH THIS CONCEPT, THERE IS SOME RIGHT AWAY FROM THE BANK THAT, UM, WOULD BE NEEDED. UM, HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANY OF THEIR EXISTING BUILDING PARKING LOT INFRASTRUCTURE. OKAY. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE A EP TRANSMISSION, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO SNAKE RIGHT UNDERNEATH, UM, IN BETWEEN TOWERS. THE ROUNDABOUT WILL GO UNDERWIRE BETWEEN TOWERS. THE ROUNDABOUT WILL BE LOCATED IN THE EXISTING INTERSECTION. RIGHT? MM-HMM . WHERE'S KROGER ON THAT MAP? UH, TO THE, TO THE SOUTHWEST. THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER THERE. DO WE HAVE A PEN ON THIS KROGER? IS THAT SHOWING AND TURN LEFT, TURN RIGHT HERE. UM, THAT IS AN ACCESS TO, TO KROGER. SO YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT OF THE ROUNDABOUT AND YOU'RE GONNA STOP AND TRY TO TURN LEFT RIGHT THERE. AND YOU'RE GONNA TURN LEFT. AND THEN ALL THE PEOPLE COMING OUT THE ROUNDABOUT OR, OR YOU CAN CONTINUE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT AND ENTER OFF OF HOOVER ROAD BUSINESSES. ANY INPUT? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? BUSINESS. THEY'LL BE IMPACTED. THEY PROVIDED ANY INPUT? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE RESPONDED. THEY'VE ALL BEEN NOTIFIED IN THE AREA. MM-HMM . THEY'VE ALL BEEN NOTIFIED AND, AND SOME DISCUSSIONS HAVE HAPPENED. I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT BEEN IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. UM, BUT WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, UM, THE CITY HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, ALL OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. OKAY. UM, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UM, OUR SAFETY DIRECTOR HERE, AND I'M GONNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. , COME ON UP. AND KEVIN TEER IS EXTREMELY, UM, INTERESTED ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC SAFETY PARTICULARLY. SO AS HE IS AWARE, ANYTIME THAT THIS, THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN THAT THEY'RE LOOKED AT A GREAT DETAIL, UH, DISTANCES FROM ENTRY POINTS AND SO FORTH. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY TO THE EFFECTIVENESS OF ROUNDABOUTS AND THEIR SAFETY? YEAH. UM, YOU WANT TO COME OVER HERE? EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THAT I'VE READ, AND I SPENT 35 YEARS AS A STATE TROOPER. AND SO TRAFFIC SAFETY HAS BEEN MY LIFE. AND SO THE THINGS THAT I'VE, UH, READ AND STUDIED ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY EXTREMELY, UH, SAFE OPERATIONS. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE EITHER LOVE THEM OR HATE THEM, UH, BUT THEY ARE RELATIVELY SAFE. IN FACT, THEY'RE, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE STATISTICS TO KNOW. MAYBE CARLY DOES. BUT, UH, FROM THE DATA I'VE SEEN, IT'S ACTUALLY SAFER THAN A LIGHTED, UH, INTERSECTION. AND SO WE HAVE SOME ACROSS THE CITY BLOCK OF AN ENTRANCE TO THE CONDO COMMUNITY. YEAH. WE, WE, WE HAVE SOME, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME IN THE CITY, AND THEY'VE BEEN, UH, PROVEN TO BE RELATIVELY, UH, SAFE. UM, THERE'S SOME LANE ISSUES, UH, ON YEAH, YEAH. ENTRANCE. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM. WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? SHE ASKED WHERE SHE ASKED WHERE THE, I SAID THAT ALREADY EXISTS OR? YEAH, THERE, UH, THERE'S ONE DOWN AT ORDERS ROAD, UH, IN, UH, YEAH, THAT'S NOT, WELL, I'LL, I'LL SAY A GOOD EXAMPLE. YEAH. I'LL TELL YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN BUCKEYE PARKWAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF THE STREET IS, YOU TURN OFF, INSTEAD OF GOING TO PINNACLE GOLF, YOU TURN TO THE RIGHT. UM, AND THERE'S DRIVEWAYS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT AREA, NOT WEST KOREA, THAT IT'S NOT A SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S A FACT ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE STUDY. WE'RE NOT DOING THIS WILLY-NILLY HAPPENSTANCE. SO I MEAN, IT, IT, WE'RE GONNA EXAMINE ALL OF THOSE POINTS. AND AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, THAT'S AS FAR AS WE GOT WITH SOME BLINDS ON A DRAWING THAT I'M SURE WILL BE SHIFTED IN SOME FASHION. SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, PRO OR CON, WE WANT YOU TO RESPOND, GIVE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS, PRO OR CON UH, IF YOU HAVE IDEAS TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND I HEARD A COMMENT EARLIER, WHICH I REALLY LIKED, WAS YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER NOT TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS, UM, THE CENTER, UH, OF THE ROUNDABOUT, IF THERE IS A CENTER ROUNDABOUT AREA TO MAKE IT LOW PROFILE. SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO SEE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. [00:50:01] NOT EVERYONE HAS DONE THAT IN CENTRAL OHIO. UH, AND IT IS A PROBLEM AND I DON'T LIKE THAT MYSELF. SO, UH, BEING ABLE TO SEE ALL FOUR CORNERS IN THE CORNERS OF A CIRCLE, BUT IT HAS TO BE, IT HAS TO BE LOW PROFILE, WHATEVER. SO, UH, DON'T FORGET TO MAKE THOSE KIND OF COMMENTS TOO ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD HELP IMPROVE THIS. SO IF, AGAIN, I WANT TO, I WANT TO CAUTION YOU TO GET TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPETITIVE THING. WE MAY NOT GET, I'M SURE WE'LL GET SOME MONEY, BUT WHETHER WE GET 5 MILLION TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE FOR US, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT WILL BE, UM, IN, WAS IT DECEMBER? DECEMBER, DECEMBER. SO WE WOULD KNOW IN DECEMBER IF IN FACT WE MAKE THE CUT. UM, AND THEN, UM, IT WOULDN'T BE AWARDED UNTIL, WAS IT JULY? JULY? YEAH. SO, AND AT THAT POINT WHEN IT'S AWARDED, THEN WE WOULD MOVE QUICKLY, BUT YOU DON'T GET IT THIS TIME WHEN YOU REAPPLY, WHICH, WHAT'S THE WAITING PERIOD NEXT YEAR? WE COULD REAPPLY THE, THE, THE NEXT FUNDING CYCLE, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT YEAR IF, IF FUNDING WAS AVAILABLE TO TYPICALLY IS. UM, HOWEVER, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY TO REAPPLY FOR THE SAME PROJECT. 'CAUSE IT WOULD LIKELY SCORE VERY SIMILARLY IN THIS COMPETITIVE PROCESS. AND SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, EITHER, UM, WE'D HAVE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH WOULD THEN INCREASE DURATION. 'CAUSE WE'D HAVE TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER PHASE THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER COMPLICATING FACTORS, UM, TO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, PLANNING AHEAD AND DOING PROJECTS, UM, IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED THINGS THAT CITY GOVERNMENTS DO. UM, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT HERE AND IT'S BEEN VERY AGGRAVATING TO GET AROUND TOWN. AND I LIVE HERE TOO, AND IT'S AGGRAVATING FOR ME AT TIMES. UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHETHER THIS PROJECT GOES OR NOT, THE FACT THAT WE TRY TO GET PROJECTS AND MONEY FROM THE STATE AND GET THAT GAS MONEY TO COME BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS PAY, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PUT IN FOR PROJECTS. RIGHT? I WAS PART OF A CITY DOWN IN BY CINCINNATI THAT WAS EXTREMELY POOR, I'LL SAY THE WORD. UM, AND WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE, WE FELT IF WE COULD DO A $500,000 STREET MAINTENANCE PROGRAM A YEAR, BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE SO FORTUNATE TO GET HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY LIKES IT. NOT EVERYBODY AGREES, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO IMPROVE AND EVEN THE ROADS THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, EVEN THE, THE ANNUAL STREET PROGRAM WHERE WE DO CURBS AND GUTTERS AND PAVE LIKE WE'VE DONE ON NORTH HOOVER, UM, UP BY, UH, SONORA, UM, THE COMMUNITY THAT WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT PROJECT. WE COULDN'T EVEN DO A PROJECT LIKE THAT WHERE I WAS BEFORE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE KIND, THE CAPABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE, THE MATCHING. SO YEAH, IT'S AGGRAVATING. IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT. IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR PERIODS OF TIME, BUT IN THE LONG RUN, AS IT, AS IT GETS YOU, YOU WERE, WHEN WE'RE IMPROVING, WE'RE NOT DECAYING. AND I WAS IN A COMMUNITY THAT DECAYED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T EVEN AFFORD REALLY TO FIX POTHOLES. SO, UM, AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE GO THROUGH ALL THESE GYRATIONS TO GET GRANTS AND SO FORTH. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALL AGREE ON EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO, BUT THE GOOD THING IS WE'RE IN A POSITION TO DO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. YES, MA'AM. SO WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS BUILT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE TO HANDLE MM-HMM . OKAY, LET'S BUILD ALL THESE APARTMENTS. OKAY, NOW WE'RE CREATED A PROBLEM. LET'S THROW AROUND ABOUT THIS. WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT BEING DONE FOR THE APARTMENTS. IT'S NOT THE APARTMENTS ARE THERE. WILL THEY BENEFIT FROM IT? YES. DID WE ASK FOR EASE OR, UM, RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THE PROJECT IF IT EVER CAME IN THE FUTURE? YES. AND THAT WAS A PLUS THAT THEY, THEY SAID, YEAH, OKAY. IF YOU EVER DO A PROJECT, WE'LL GIVE YOU THE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU WANT TO PAY US FOR IT. ANOTHER DIFFICULT THING THAT CITIES HAVE TO DO IS TO HAVE HOUSING FOR ALL STRATA OF INCOME, SOCIOECONOMIC STANDARDS AND, AND, AND, AND LIFESTYLE DESIRES. AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE LARGE HOMES FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT THAT KIND OF, AND WE ALSO WANT MODEST HOMES. THERE'S SOME VERY MODEST HOMES ON OFF OF BUCKEYE PARKWAY AS YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON THE RIGHT. UM, MODEST IN THE TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO THE MANSIONS. [00:55:01] RIGHT. WHICH I DON'T LIVE IN BY THE WAY. UM, THE, UM, THAT'S, AND THAT'S RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES WE ARE PLANNING, PLANNING, PLANNING PROJECT AND DOING ALL THESE THINGS, SO MM-HMM . BUT THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THE 2050 PLAN IS BEING REVIEWED MM-HMM . THERE'S A HOUSING STUDY FOR, FOR US THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE SINCE 2018 MM-HMM. THAT IS GONNA BE DONE NOW MM-HMM . SO IT'S LIKE WE'RE PUSHING THROUGH THESE PROJECTS FOR FUTURE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ALL DATA BECAUSE SOME OF OUR DATA IS OUTDATED. WELL, BUT, BUT THIS, THIS WOULD'VE BEEN DONE BASED ON THE DATA THAT ALREADY EXISTS BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT BEING DONE FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES TO CREATE MORE HOUSING. IT IS DONE TO GET PEOPLE EAST AND WEST AND ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. IT'LL BE, UH, BUILT ON THE, OVER THE FREEWAY. AND, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE WHEN WE GET PLACES OF EMPLOYMENT OVER THERE, WE DON'T WANT JUST ONE WAY TO GET THERE OR ONE WAY TO GET HOME, UM, IN TWO WAYS. BELIEVE ME, YOU, YOU WON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. BUT IF WE GET THAT EAST WEST, IT WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN, IN PEOPLE GETTING JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE WHEN, YOU KNOW, STRING TOWN'S THERE, RIGHT? AND YOU WANT TO AVOID STRING TOWN NOW THAT HOOVER'S OPEN, THAT WILL BE WHITE ROAD WILL BE RETURNING MORE NORMAL, AND THAT'S A GREAT EAST WEST. I USE IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GO ON STRING TOWN SO THAT THOSE TWO EAST WEST FAIRLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, UM, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO GO IN THAT GENERAL AREA. AND IT'S THE SAME KIND OF CONCEPT HERE THAT WILL, UM, HELP US GET EAST WEST. WHY WE ALSO, SORRY, I TOTALLY, ALL THE OTHER WAYS, ALL THESE ROAD MM-HMM . BUT YOU'RE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, LIKE THE BRIDGE, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A SIDEWALK THERE, SHARED VIEWS, BUT LIKE WHY DID WE HAVE TO PUT TREES ALONG HERE? LIKE IT COULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A PATH. WELL JUST LIKE DAN'S ROAD, BUT THEN IT COULD HAVE BEEN WIRED SO THAT WAY TRAFFIC COULD GET AROUND IF THERE WAS A, IF THERE WAS A FUNERAL, IF THERE WAS EMERGENCY. AND SAME THING WITH MCDOWELL. MCDOWELL WAS GETTING STRONG TOO. MM-HMM. SO WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRACKING ONE TO EXPAND, BUT IN OTHER WORDS THAT PEOPLE USE ALL THE TIME ARE ALSO, WELL, LET ME, LET ME TALK FIRST ABOUT, UH, THE BRIDGE. UM, AND YES, THERE WAS A LANE IN THE CENTER, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE SEEN A TURN LANE ON TOP OF A BRIDGE WHERE THERE WAS NO LANE WHERE TO TURN TO. YEAH, YEAH. WHAT, WHAT YOU GAVE. YES. AND, AND I DROVE IT THIS MORNING. I DROVE IT LAST NIGHT. NOW FOR THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, IT'S GONNA BE INCONVENIENT AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAD PROBLEMS GETTING ASPHALT FOR THE SUP, THIS SHARED USE PATH. UM, NEXT WEEK WHEN IT'S OPEN ALL THE TIME, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE LANES THEMSELVES ARE WIDER THAN TYPICAL OF A JUST A STREET LANE. BECAUSE IF PEOPLE DO NEED TO GET OVER, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET BY AND FAR COULD GO BETWEEN. YES. OKAY. SO THREE BARS THEY GO THROUGH. YEAH. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GET OVER LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. YEAH. UM, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT I WAS GONNA MAKE ABOUT THE BRIDGE. UM, WHAT ELSE WAS I GONNA SAY ABOUT THAT? WAS PERTINENT , YOU WERE SAYING THAT TREES ON THE BRIDGE. OH YEAH, THE TREES, YES. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE NOT TREES AND UM, THEY ARE GONNA BE, UH, THERE WOULD BE PLANTED PLANTED AND WE, UH, HAVE WATER DEVICES IN THEM TO KEEP THEM WATERED. THERE'S NOT AN IRRIGATION PIPE, BUT WE HAVE THOSE IN THERE. AND UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANT SOMETHING TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING AND BIKING. CORRECT. AND, AND THOSE WILL DO THAT. UM, AND, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE A SOLID BARRIER, WHICH WOULD BECOME UNPLEASANT. UM, BUT WE WANTED SOMETHING JUST AS SAFE AND, AND THOSE PLANTERS WILL SERVE THAT PURPOSE. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THOSE PLANTERS, I'M NOT GONNA KID YOU. UM, AND IT WAS DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED PROPERLY. AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY GOT SOME EXTRAS, SO IF THERE ARE ISSUES WE CAN, YOU KNOW, REPLACE ONE, BUT, OR TWO OR THREE. BUT, UM, SO THAT WILL BE, THAT IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE AND, UM, UM, MR. TEER COULD, YOU KNOW, RESPOND TO THAT. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. I MEAN, I, YEAH, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE DANCE, DANCE BRIDGE, I MEAN, IT'S JUST CONCRETE AREA. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND, AND THERE IS, THERE IS. AND YOU KNOW, WE DID, UM, OUR FUNDING THAT WE GOT FOR THAT PROJECT, I FORGET WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? HOW MUCH WAS THAT LAKE? I'M SORRY. CUS YEAH. YEAH, A LOT OF THAT CAME FROM THE CUS UM, I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE GOT ALLOWED US TO THEN DO MORE DECORATIVE FENCING. UH, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A JAIL, YOU KNOW? AND, AND WHEN PEOPLE [01:00:01] COME INTO GROVE CITY, YOU WANT THEM TO RECOGNIZE THEY'RE COMING TO SOMEPLACE SPECIAL. AND, UH, THAT'LL BE ADDED ON THE, ON THE BOTH SIDES OF THE, UH, FREEWAY. UH, YES SIR. UM, WHERE IS THE NEAREST, NEAREST LIGHTED CROSSWALK FOR KIDS WHO ARE COMING FROM THE EAST WESTWARD ON COIL CREEK? HEADED TO THE ROUNDABOUT, GOING TO KROGER THAT THEY CAN USE. IT'S AT 6 65 BECAUSE TODAY, TODAY THERE'S A LIGHT THERE. MM-HMM . THE KIDS ON THEIR SCOOTERS CAN GO TO THE LIGHT, THE CROSS MM-HMM . AND GO ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE KIDS CROSSING ON SCOOTERS IN ROUNDABOUT. WE AND SON GOES TO SOMETIMES WALK SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE THAT THERE'S A LIGHT INTERSECTION, YOU FEEL SAFE CROSSING, BUT LIKE THIS GOES IN LIKE CAN'T. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A 25 MILE WEST SIDE. THERE ALSO BE SLOWING OF TRAFFIC SOUTHEAST AND NORTH TO 25 MILES AN HOUR. HAVE WE DETERMINED WHAT THE SPEED WOULD BE AT THIS TIME? IT, IT CONCEPTUALLY BASED ON, UM, OUR PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC INFORMATION. BUT THAT WILL BE DECIDED WHEN THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMPLETED. YEAH. AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S THAT 25. RIGHT. MAKE SURE THAT YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR COMMENTS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT . YES MA'AM. I'M ALREADY SUBMITTED A COMMENT ONLINE. YOU CAN AND YOU CAN SUBMIT MORE. YOU CAN SUBMIT MORE. I WAS GONNA SAY, I, THIS IS, YOU NEED MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME WHERE I GO IF I WANNA ADD TO IT ? WELL YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO, UH, DID SHE, OH NO, YOU WANNA TAKE A, SO, UM, RIGHT THERE IF YOU WANNA TAKE A PICTURE, IT'S NOT UP THERE. OH, IT'S NOT UP THERE? NO. IF YOU WANNA THERE GO IT, IT'S, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A PICTURE THAT IS MY EMAIL. YOU CAN, UM, WRITE A LETTER, EMAIL, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR COMMENTS. UM, AGAIN, THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, SUBMITTED NO LATER THAN, UM, 24TH. WHAT DO WE HAVE? THE 24TH MONDAY? YEAH, 24TH. YEAH, MONDAY THE 24TH. YEAH. BEFORE YOU GET TO THE COMMENT FORM ON IT WITH THE QR CODE. YEAH. MM-HMM . IF YOU TAKE A PICTURE YEAH. TAKE A PICTURE OF THAT NOW. AND, UH, IF YOU, BUT IF, BUT IF YOU DON'T, YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL DIRECTLY TO CARLY AS WELL. SO YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SPEED LIMIT AND JUST EVEN NOW, SO IF YOU COME OUT WHERE A NEW ORTHODONTIST BUILDING MM-HMM . WHICH I GO TO YEAH. AND TRY TO TURN LEFT. MM-HMM . WELL FIRST OF ALL, THAT LITTLE CURVE COMING FROM 6 65, YOU THINK YOU GOT IT MADE, TURN LEFT, GO 65 AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, SOMEBODY'S DOWN. MM-HMM . I THINK MORE THAN 35. OH, I DON'T DOUBT THAT. 25 FROM ALL THREE OF THEM. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SCOOT, WHEELCHAIR PEOPLE, SCOOTERS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT'S AN ISSUE. YOU KNOW, SAFETY, HE COULD HIT THE BUTTON RIGHT NOW SAFE THAT HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO CROSS AGAIN. ANOTHER GREAT COMMENT. UH, ALL THESE COMMENTS LIKE THAT, SPEED CROSSINGS, UH, DISTANCES. YEAH. YEAH. I GUESS I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT PROPOSED. THERE ARE, THERE IS SIDEWALK AND SHARED USE PATH ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT CROSSING THE ROAD, NOT ACROSS. YES. CROSSING THE ROAD. OH, , HERE WE GO. I MEAN, ALL, ALL ROUNDABOUTS ARE, ARE TYPICALLY DESIGNED WITH PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES. SO IF YOU SEE THE BLUE LINES UP THERE, THOSE ARE INDICATING CROSSWALKS. AND, AND I, I'LL, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BUT THE STATISTICS WILL SAY AS A PEDESTRIAN, WHEN YOU APPROACH THE ROUNDABOUT, IS THERE A, IS THAT MAP, IS THAT PICTURE UP ANYWHERE? AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW IS ON THE WEBSITE MM-HMM . SO WE CAN USE THAT SUGGESTION. OH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. MM-HMM . YES, IT'S UP. UM, I DEVELOP IT OR WHERE, UM, IF YOU, IT'S ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO TO, IT MIGHT BE ON THE LINK ON THE LANDING PAGE ON THE BOTTOM, BUT IF NOT, GO TO, UM, ROAD PROJECTS. UH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT'S LISTED AS. IT IT SHOULD BE THERE RIGHT NOW. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I LOOKED BEFORE I CAME OVER HERE TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ON THERE. AND SO IT IS ON THERE. I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT PEDESTRIANS. I, THE OTHER DAY I WENT ON QUAIL CREEK TO GO TO BUCKEYE. MM-HMM . I ALWAYS GET GO TO SPRINGTOWN AND THERE WAS [01:05:01] A LADY RUN CROSS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE, THERE A LOT OF, NOT A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS, BUT I DIDN'T EVEN SEE HER. MM-HMM . UNTIL LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I HAD TO SETTLE ON MY BRAKES BECAUSE SHE WAS GETTING READY TO GO. AND YOU JUST, YOU DON'T LOOK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IF THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC, PROBABLY IT'S LIKE THE DRIVE LIGHT, THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT THAT CURRENT LIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF WALKING KROGER CHILDREN, CHILDREN COMING FROM NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK YOU'VE HAD A QUE I'M SORRY. YOU, YOU'VE HAD A QUESTION FOR A WHILE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FINE. GO AHEAD. SORRY. I DO LIKE, UH, IF YOU HAVE WATERWAY ACCESS, ADDING ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS THAT ACTUALLY ACCESS THE KROGER PARKING LOT. MM-HMM . BECAUSE IF YOU WALK IN, YOU GOTTA CUT THROUGH THE GRASS OR YOU GOTTA WALK ON THE STREET. HMM. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 'CAUSE THERE AREN'T REALLY AT THE CORNERS, THAT'S, BUT THAT'S A LONG STRETCH OF GRASS THERE, ISN'T IT? RIGHT. IT'S LIKE IMPORTANT THING, BUT YEAH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE OTHER ACCESS THERE POTENTIALLY. THERE'S THERE. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE LIGHTS. MM-HMM . THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRY POINT. UM, YOU THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. NO, I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN JUST GETTING TO THE KROGER FROM HOOVER, RIGHT, RIGHT. THERE'S NO YEAH. ABOUT PEDESTRIAN. I'M SORRY, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE. UH, THERE'S NO NEED FOR A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE HERE. YEAH. MEAN FROM TALKING ABOUT CROSSING THE STREET. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN ME. WELL, PEDESTRIAN. SO THE BLUE LINES UP HERE ARE INDICATIVE OF CROSSWALKS. RIGHT. YOU TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE CROSSING FROM EAST TO WEST. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT IS JUST, IT IS JUST A THOUGHT, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. I DUNNO HOW THAT GETS PICKED UP IN YOUR STUDY. MM-HMM . IT'LL DEFINITELY BE PART OF IT THOUGH. DEFINITELY WILL BE STAND OUT. OR HOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW PEDESTRIANS? HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE STANDARDS WE USE TO CALCULATE, UH, FOR PER THIS KIND OF SITUATION. UM, ANYWAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE FROM ONE SIDE OF HOOVER TO THE OTHER WOULD, WOULD COST MORE THAN THIS PROJECT. UM, THE DISTANCE TO AVOID STEPS ON EITHER SIDE. YOUR LANDING AREAS HAVE TO BE SO LONG AND, AND THE INCLINE SO, SO LOW THAT IT WOULD GO, UH, THAT WOULD HAVE SEVERE IMPASSE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GO A HUNDRED YARDS IN EACH DIRECTION OVER. SO, UM, IT, BELIEVE ME, THOSE THINGS ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. I MEAN, YOU'LL SEE ONE OR TWO, UH, OVER 23 UP AS YOU GO NORTH OF WORTHINGTON, BUT, BUT THEY LITERALLY HAD THE LAND IN THE STARTING AREA IS CAPABLE OF STARTING. WELL, I KNOW GOING WHAT? STONE HIGH SCHOOL. YEAH. YEAH. AND SOME OF THOSE SOMETIMES TO AVOID THE LONG DISTANCES, THEY GET CURLY AND THEN THE, IT GETS STEEP AND THEN IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW. WELL, I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT TRAFFIC. RIGHT. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. AND, UM, MOTORIZED, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE, UH, ISSUES WALKING WITH SCOOTERS AND SO FORTH, IT HAS TO BE ABLE TO, THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ACCESS THAT AS WELL. YEAH. WELL, YEAH. TRY TO LIKE, FIGURE OUT WHERE, HOW WE GET TO THIS, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AND LIKE I'M TO OUR RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY RESOURCES, ROAD CONSTRUCTION UPDATES AND RIGHT. ROAD CONSTRUCTION. I MEAN, IT SAYS CREEK BOULEVARD EXTENSION, BUT THERE'S NO LIKE MASS, THERE'S A LINK. OKAY. I, I CHECKED BEFORE I THE OFFICE, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THE, OKAY. OKAY. UM, I THINK WE'VE, ANYBODY HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE GO? BESIDES YOU DON'T LIKE IT? , YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, UM, ROUNDABOUTS ARE WHEN THEY'RE DONE CORRECTLY AND I THINK FOR THE MOST PART OUR COMMUNITY HAS DONE THEM VERY WELL. I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT GENERAL STATEMENT. MM-HMM . THAT THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. MM-HMM . THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE. ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING AND IF YOU, UH, WANNA SEND CARLY AN EMAIL, SHE'S GONNA COMPILE IT ALL. SO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE [01:10:01] QUESTIONNAIRES THAT YOU DID ONLINE, PLUS ALL OF THE EMAILS WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICATION, UH, WHICH WILL BE SENT TO, UH, OHIO DEPARTMENT. OHIO, OHIO PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSION. UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? JUST IF ANYONE DID NOT GET THE CHANCE TO SIGN IN? OH, YEAH, GOOD POINT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD YOUR EMAIL TO THE LIST. PLEASE DO. AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR, UM, WRITTEN QUESTIONNAIRES FILLED OUT, UM, I CAN TAKE THEM TONIGHT OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME A PICTURE OF IT, UM, LATER IN THE WEEK OR COPY AND ATTACH, RIGHT? MM-HMM. MM-HMM . OKAY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.