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SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA START OFF BY GOING THROUGH THE RESPONSIBLE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DEPARTMENT, OR YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
[Call to Order]
JUST AS SOME QUICK INTRODUCTIONS, UM, THIS IS OUR DEPARTMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TONIGHT.UM, YOU HAVE WITH US KYLE ROUSH, OBVIOUSLY OUR DIRECTOR, MYSELF, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, UM, ALSO DASH LOGAN, WHO IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER.
UM, TERRY BARR ROUNDS OUT THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TWO STAFF OF BRITTANY AND NATALIE.
THEY OVERSEE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF OUR DEPARTMENT.
SO WHAT WE DO AS A DEPARTMENT, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE, WE'RE GENERALLY ORGANIZED INTO TWO SECTIONS.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, A LOT OF WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS UNDER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND PRIMARILY CURRENT PLANNING.
SO THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, THAT'S JUST A LIST OF ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GENERALLY THAT WE DO.
UM, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M GOING TO SKIP PAST THAT.
[Current Development Process]
OKAY.UM, SO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, GENERALLY CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO SEVEN DIFFERENT APPLICATION TYPES.
UM, THESE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT START WITH PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE SEVEN, SIX, MOVE ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
UM, PLANNING COMMISSION ONLY HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE LOT SPLITS OF THE SEVEN APPLICATIONS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE FLOW CHART, ALTHOUGH THE TEXT IS RATHER SMALL, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, THEY ALL BASICALLY GO THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS LEADING UP TO PLANNING COMMISSION OF WE RECEIVED THE APPLICATION.
IT'S REVIEWED INTERNALLY, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT MORE SPECIFICALLY IN A MINUTE.
UM, IT GOES TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION RE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS ULTIMATE APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
UM, ONCE AN APPLICATION IS RECEIVED TO US IN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, WE POST IT ONLINE.
THIS IS OUR ONGOING DEVELOPMENT WEBPAGE.
UM, IT'S BEEN LIVE FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS AT THIS POINT.
UM, THE LINK IS UP AT THE TOP.
UM, IF YOU JUST SEARCH ONGOING DEVELOPMENT ON OUR CITY WEBPAGE, IT'LL TAKE YOU RIGHT TO IT.
UM, IT'S GENERALLY ORGANIZED BASED ON WHERE THINGS ARE IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THAT'S A SCREENSHOT FROM PROJECTS THAT ARE UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT MEANS THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED TO US, BUT THEY'RE NOT READY TO MOVE FORWARD TO PLANNING COMMISSION YET.
UM, ONCE WE DO OUR PROCESS AND THE APPLICANT IS READY, IT WILL GO UNDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAB AND THEN SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, THERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT PUBLIC NOTICE SIGN.
UM, ANYTIME WE GET THAT APPLICATION AND IT'S POSTED ONLINE, OUR SERVICE DEPARTMENT WILL GO OUT, OUT TO THE SITE AND PUT THAT SIGN IN THE GROUND NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE MATERIALS AND A REQUEST FOR SOMETHING ON THAT SITE.
SO A VERY COMMON QUESTION THAT I GET IS, WHEN THIS PUBLIC NOTIFIED OF SOMETHING POTENTIALLY HAPPENING, THIS IS IT RIGHT? WHEN THEY, WHEN SOMEBODY SUBMITS AN APPLICATION, THAT IS THE VERY EARLIEST AND THE FIRST TIME THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND IT'S DONE BY POSTING IT HERE ON THIS SITE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WE HAVE KICKED AROUND THE IDEA OF STARTING A DEVELOPMENT PAGE MM-HMM
UH, JUST TO BE EVEN MORE TRANSPARENT, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WE HEAR PEOPLE SAYING, YOU'RE NOT FORCING SOME INFORMATION.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT FINAL DECISION TO PULL THAT TRIGGER, BUT WE, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IN TERMS OF MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE ALL AWARE.
WELL, IT, IT IS NOT THAT YOU'RE NOT TRANSPARENT.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S RIGHT HERE, BUT IT'S NOT ON FACEBOOK
THAT'S WHERE WE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
TO CLARIFY, KYLE, IF I MAY, THAT'S ONES THAT HITS THIS PARTICULAR PAGE IS THEN TO, NOT PRIOR TO THIS OR NOT PRIOR TO THIS, BECAUSE WITHIN WHAT A DAY OR TWO OF RECEIVING APPLICATION, IT TAKES A DAY OR TWO TO GET THE MATERIALS IN A FORMAT SO WE CAN PUT 'EM ONLINE.
AND ALSO THERE IS A LITTLE PROCESS IN TIME.
UM, AND ALSO THERE ARE, BACK TO YOUR POINT, ALAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROJECTS OR INQUIRIES THAT COME INTO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS OR, I MEAN, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE WHAT HAPPENS BEFORE THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT OR MOST ALL WILL PROBABLY START WITH A PHONE CALL? YEAH.
YOU'RE GETTING THERE OR YOU WANT ME TO, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW.
WE HAVE MATERIALS READY TO SHARE TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT IT MORE INFORMALLY NOW.
I JUST, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY AND RIGHT.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT.
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WHEN IS A PROJECT WE'RE CERTAIN WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HIDE ANYTHING.RIGHT? I MEAN, EVERYTHING WE DO IS PUBLIC.
ONCE IT'S SUBMITTED TO US, EMAIL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, IT'S PUBLIC RECORD.
THE CHALLENGE WE FACE IS IF WE GET A PHONE CALL FOR A USE THAT WE ARE QUITE CONFIDENT WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TANGIBLE THING TO POST ONLINE OR TO SHARE.
AND AT THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WORTH GETTING PEOPLE MAD ABOUT A PROJECT THAT WE WOULDN'T EVEN SUPPORT.
AND WE'RE QUITE CONFIDENT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL WOULD NOT SUPPORT EITHER.
WE ALSO DON'T OFFICIALLY HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION TO POST THAT ON THE WEBSITE AND MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE OF IT AT THAT POINT EITHER.
SO JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE MADE PUBLIC.
IT'S WHEN IT'S WHEN THE APPLICATION, GOOD EXAMPLE RECENTLY IS THE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX AT HOOVER AND RIGHT.
SO THAT CAME, CAME UP, THEY FILED THE APPLICATION.
YOU GUYS PUT IT ONLINE WITHIN A COUPLE DAYS AND PEOPLE GOT ALL FIRED UP AND, AND YOU KNOW, I WAS GETTING PHONE CALLS SAYING, OH MY GOODNESS, THIS IS A DONE DEAL.
THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
AND I SAID, NO, THIS IS AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING.
I THINK THERE WAS ACTUALLY A CONVERSATION BEFORE IT EVEN CAME TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WHEN CMHA BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
THAT, THAT, THAT REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION REAL DOES HAPPEN TO A ENTITY BUY LAND BEFORE KNOWING WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THAT LAND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE.
BUT, BUT YES, A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL GET RECEIVED PHONE CALLS, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS.
UH, JUST A GENERIC EXAMPLE, THE FORMER, UH, KFC SITE ON SPRINGTOWN ROAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CALLS WE RECEIVE FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE INTERESTED IN IT.
UH, BUT END OF THE DAY WE DON'T CONTROL WHO GETS IT.
IT'S, IT'S A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION.
SO WE DO A LOT OF TALKING TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEIR USE WOULD FIT.
IS IT YES OR NO? UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT LIKE THEIR PROJECT TODAY, BUT THEY DO A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT WANT.
SO IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO GIVE 'EM A FAST NO.
UH, SO WE'RE NOT WASTING THEIR TIME OR MONEY, TIME AND MONEY'S EVERYTHING TO PEOPLE LOOKING TO, TO DO REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS.
SO, UH, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP AS BEST WE CAN.
NOT SAYING WHEN WE, UH, NEGOTIATE AWAY OR GIVE UP OUR STANDARDS, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE, UH, THAT GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH, WITH THE GROUP.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE DO BOTH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE, WHICH IS MORE THE REGULATORY SIDE, BUT WE ALSO DO THE EQUITY DEVELOPMENT SIDE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS WALKING KIND A, A FINE LINE IN TERMS OF, UH, BALANCING THOSE TWO.
SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THAT KFC SITE ON STRING TOWN, IF SOMEBODY, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT IT IS, IT'S NOT A COSTCO
IF A, A PERMITTED USE FOR THAT ZONING OF THAT CAME IN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY MORE CONTROL OVER IT CHANGE UNLESS IT'S LIKE A SUPPLEMENTARY TYPE OF APPROVAL, LIKE A OUTDOOR PATIO STORAGE, ESPECIALLY PERMIT RIGHT.
I OFTEN HEAR FROM RESIDENTS THAT OUR CITY WEBSITE IS NOT THE EASIEST TO NAVIGATE.
UM, HAVE YOU ALL CONSIDERED ADDING THE DATE AND TIME TO THE, TO THE NOTICE, TO THE SIGN DATE AND TIME OF WHAT? OF WHEN THE NOTICES FOR THE WHAT DATE SIGNS YOU DRIVE BY ATTENDING THE DATE? UM, THAT'S A TOUGHER ASK.
I MEAN, A LOT OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES THAT, UM, WE USE THAT SIGN FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
UM, SO I MEAN WE CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT.
I WOULD BE SO WORRIED ABOUT US MISSING ONE
UM, SOMETIMES PROJECTS ARE POSTPONED TOO.
SO IF WE POST THAT SIGN SAYING IT WILL BE ON THE SEPTEMBER PLANNING COMMISSION, AND THEN A COUPLE DAYS BEFORE WE PUBLISH THE AGENDA, THEY DECIDE TO POSTPONE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY GO OUT AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD.
BUT THEN WE'RE POSTING SOMETHING THAT MAYBE THEY AREN'T POSTPONING TO THE OCTOBER MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY KNOW WHEN THEY'RE POSTPONING TO.
WE ARE WORKING TO MAKE, UM, SO I'LL, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, UM, THROUGH THAT WEBSITE.
ALL OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS ARE POSTED ONLINE.
UM, WE WILL BE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, HOPEFULLY UPDATING EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT PAGE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO SAY, 'CAUSE STAFF A LOT OF TIMES WILL JUMP TO, WELL, WE KNOW WHAT TAB IT'S ON.
BUT IF SOMEBODY NAVIGATES STRAIGHT TO THAT PROJECT PAGE, SAY THROUGH THE AGENDA THAT WE PUBLISH, IT DOESN'T SAY WHERE IT IS IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, WE ARE GOING TO START ADDING, SUBMITTED FOR X MEETING OR WE'LL BE PROCEEDING AT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION OR THIS CITY COUNCIL.
SO TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO NOTE THE TIMELINE OF THE PROJECT.
OR MAYBE LIKE EVEN, I'M JUST THINKING DOWN THE LINE, BUT, UH, QR CODE ON THE SIGN, I THINK WE COULD JUST TAKE A PICTURE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A NEW SIGN FOR EVERY PROJECT.
THAT WAY IF I TAKE A PHOTO, I CAN JUST ACCESS IT DIRECTLY FROM, UH, THE PICTURE TECHNOLOGY
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ACCESS CITY WEBSITE, THE CITY WEBSITE.SO THAT LINK RIGHT THERE, THE WEBSITE I SEND THAT LINK WILL LEAD YOU TO THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE.
IT'S GOT THE PHONE NUMBER AND THE WEBPAGE RIGHT ON THE SIGN.
I'LL, I'LL JUST THE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THIS, I HEAR THIS OFTEN FROM RESIDENTS.
UM, 'CAUSE THAT INFORMATION THAT THAT SIGN RIGHT THERE DOESN'T GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION.
AND I'M, I'M SURE THAT'S DONE INTENTIONALLY.
MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE DIRECTLY OR CALL.
BUT AS A RESIDENT FROM JUST DRIVING BY AND I SEE A SIGN, I'M NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT MORE IS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA.
I'M NOT GONNA DO THAT DEEPER DIVE.
YOU KNOW, THE WEBSITE IS, IS SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT THAN THAT.
AND WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS.
THERE'S GREAT INFORMATION OUT THERE, BUT IT'S HARD TO FIND SOMETIMES.
SO, YOU KNOW, QR CODES OR YOU KNOW, THE, THE SMALL LINKS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE'S PROBABLY SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE.
EVEN JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE RIGHT NOW, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME UPDATES HAVE BEEN MADE OVER THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, SO MANY MONTHS YEAR WITH LIKE THE NEW BRANDING AND STUFF AT THE TOP.
THERE'S LITTLE BUBBLES, PUBLIC SERVICE EVENTS, PARKS AND RECREATION.
YOU DO HAVE TO SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN TO QUICK LINKS TO FIND ONGOING DEVELOPMENT.
MAYBE AN ACTUAL BUBBLE UP AT THE TOP, JUST LIKE WE HAVE FOR PARKS AND REC TO STAY ONGOING DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S THAT FIRST QUICK HIT.
ESPECIALLY IF, I MEAN I'M SURE THEY HAVE METRICS TO SEE HOW MANY YES.
OF THESE SUB PAGES ARE CLICKED ON.
LET'S GET TO THE TOP BUBBLE ORGANIZATION.
THE OTHER ONE IS STAY CONNECTED.
LET'S TAKE A MOTION TO THE TOP BUBBLE.
I GUESS ANOTHER, CIRCLING BACK TO UM, WHAT MR. STERN MENTIONED ABOUT UM, THE PROJECT AT HOOVER AND HOLTON AND HOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT'S A DONE DEAL, WHATNOT.
UM, I THINK THAT'S PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT FOR ITEMS UNDER THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TAB.
THAT MEANS IT'S NOT DONE YET, RIGHT?
SO PEOPLE CLICK ON IT AND THEY ABSOLUTELY HATE IT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S READY TO GO YET.
AND THAT'S WHY IT HASN'T MOVED UNDER PLAING COMMISSION.
I, I'VE HEARD IT DESCRIBED THAT THE THINGS UNDER THAT PARTICULAR TAB SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS MORE CONCEPTS THAN ANYTHING CONCRETE.
IS THAT A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT? OR OFFICIAL APPLICATIONS? OFFICIAL APPLICATIONS? IT DEPENDS ON THE APPLICATION TYPE ALSO.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE DO GET, I WOULD SAY A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS PROBABLY THE MOST CONCEPTUAL PLAN WE HAVE.
JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST STEP OF A THREE STEP PUD ZONING PROCESS.
BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING OR A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THOSE ARE DEFINITELY MORE, UM, CONCRETE.
SO YES, ALL THE PROJECT MATERIALS, EVERYTHING WE GET SUBMITTED WITH THAT APPLICATION IS POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
UM, IT IS ALSO MAP BASED AS I'M SURE YOU CAN SEE.
SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN STRING TOWN AND YOU CAN'T SCAN THE QR CODE OR DO OVER WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AT THE SITE, WHENEVER YOU CAN DO SO, IF YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE, YOU CAN FIND IT THAT WAY.
IT'S ALSO ALL LISTED ON THE SIDE.
UM, AGAIN, BASED ON WHERE IT IS IN THE PROCESS.
UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY COVERED QUITE A BIT ON THIS SLIDE ALREADY,
UM, THE FACT THAT STANDARDS, WELL FIRST OF ALL, ZONING IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF HOW A LAND IS ABLE TO FUNCTION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE USE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS, WHETHER IT BE LANDSCAPING, PARKING, ARCHITECTURE, THAT'S ALL DICTATED UNDER ZONING GENERALLY.
UM, WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS THAT THIRD POINT OF THAT WE CAN SET STANDARDS FOR SPECIFIC USES, BUT ZONING CANNOT BE USER SPECIFIC.
SO, UM, IF A SITE IS ZONED FOR SOME, FOR A DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS RETAIL OR RESTAURANTS, WE CAN'T SAY, OH, I DON'T LIKE THAT RESTAURANT.
I'D RATHER HAVE THIS RESTAURANT.
IF THE ZONING ALLOWS FOR A RESTAURANT AND THEN, THEN IT IS A PERMITTED USE.
UM, IF IT'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE BREAKING GROUND, THEN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL IN TERMS OF DOES IT MEET SETBACKS? YOU KNOW, IS THE BUILDING ARCHITECTURE APPROPRIATE? ALL THE ZONING STANDARDS, BUT THE ACTUAL TENANT OF THAT BUILDING, WE CANNOT SAY THAT WE LIKE IT OR WE DON'T LIKE IT.
AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
'CAUSE WE DO GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
I KNOW IT'S ANOTHER STARBUCKS OR IT'S ANOTHER PLACE OR WHATEVER, BUT WE CAN'T, WE DON'T CONTROL THAT.
I REALLY THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
'CAUSE I, PEOPLE ASSUME THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING IN THERE AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT YOU HAVE NO SAY IF'S RESTAURANT, ANY RESTAURANT CAN GO IN THERE.
YEAH, THERE ARE, SAY IT'S A DRIVE THROUGH A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT.
UM, THERE IS AN EXTRA LAYER OF SCRUTINY TO THAT USE IN PARTICULAR, UM, WHICH I MENTIONED IN THAT FINAL
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BULLET POINT OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.UM, THOSE ARE USES WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY SAY IT'S A LIST IN CODE, WHETHER IT BE AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE DRIVE THROUGH USES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPACTFUL THAN A STANDARD PERMITTED USE.
WE CAN SET SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA FOR THAT.
SO DRIVE THROUGH, THERE HAS TO BE A BYPASS LANE FOR SAFETY IN CASE THE CAR BREAKS DOWN.
UM, JUST BECAUSE WE EXPECT THEM TO GENERATE MORE OF AN IMPACT TO THE AREA.
SO THAT'S AN ENTIRELY ADDITIONAL LAYER OF REVIEW AND SCRUTINY THAT THAT PROJECT HAS TO GO THROUGH.
SO, SO IF A RESTAURANT, A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT COMES THROUGH, THAT DOES GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE REVIEW AUTHORITY.
BUT IN TERMS OF WHO IS OCCUPYING THAT QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, WE REALLY CAN SAY THAT THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE LATITUDE IN TERMS OF FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF PLACING CONTROLS ON THE, ON THE USE AS WELL TOO.
SO IT'S, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE JUST STAY IN DISTRICT, WE WERE APPLYING THE CODE AGAINST THE PROJECT WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LEEWAY TO, TO LOOK AT THE CARE TO THE AREA, THE IMPACT OF THE AREA.
SO WE, WE CAN KIND OF STRETCH THE, THE, OUR RENEWAL AS WELL.
SO COUNCIL, YOU GOING BACK TO THE KFC AS THE EXAMPLE OF A, IF A ANOTHER RESTAURANT CHAIN BOUGHT THAT AND THEY WANTED A, A DRIVE THROUGH THAT WAS ALREADY A DRIVE THROUGH, SO THEY NEED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT TO DO THAT? OR IS THAT ALREADY THERE? THERE'S A TIMEFRAME THAT'S ON HOW LONG IT TAKES.
SO IT, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT IS A SPECIAL, IS AN EXTRA APPROVAL THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
AND ALAN ASKED IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO INTO THE KFC, IT ALREADY HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND COULD THE NEXT PERSON AUTOMATICALLY GET THE DRIVE THROUGH OR WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR APPROVAL AGAIN? AND IT DEPENDS UPON WHEN, HOW LONG IT TAKES FOR SOMEBODY TO OCCUPY THAT BUILDING.
UH, IF IT SETS EMPTY FOR SIX MONTHS STARTS OUT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, UH, A NEW APPROVAL TO USE THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ATTACHED TO IT, IF THAT USE GOES AWAY, OR IF IT SITS AND ISN'T USED IN ITS CAPACITY FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN THAT SPECIAL USE APPROVAL IS VOIDED.
IT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE AREA OF THE CONTEXT OF THE AREA HAS CHANGED AND IT GIVES US AN EXTRA CHANCE TO MAKE SURE IT'S STILL APPROPRIATE.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANNA MENTION IS THAT WE CANNOT STOP SOMEONE FROM TRYING
SO WE AS STAFF COULD SAY, WE REALLY DON'T THINK THAT COUNSEL WILL APPROVE THIS LEGALLY.
WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU CAN'T SUBMIT OR THAT YOU CAN'T PROCEED.
SO, UM, IN THE END, A PROJECT UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW MIGHT STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO BEFORE STAFF WOULD LIKE IT.
AND WE'VE JUST KIND OF COME TO AN IMPASSE AND THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PROCEED, WE WILL PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, STAFF PROBABLY WOULDN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE WOULD PROBABLY TELL PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
AND THEN PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A SIMILAR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT LEGALLY WE CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THEY CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
AND THIS IS THE EXAMPLE I GAVE YOU AT THE LAST MEETING.
THERE IS NOTHING WHATSOEVER THAT COULD STOP ANY OF YOU FOR ASKING TO TURN YOUR HOUSE INTO A MCDONALD'S.
IT'S NEVER GONNA GET APPROVED.
WE CAN'T STOP YOU FROM ASKING THOUGH.
ANYBODY CAN DROP OFF AN APPLICANT.
ANYONE CAN ASK FOR ANYTHING, BUT THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS WE'RE NEVER GONNA SAY YES TO, BUT THEY UNFORTUNATELY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET THE NO, I, I DON'T WANT MCDONALD'S, BUT, UH,
BUT IT, IT, THE, THE PROCESS COULD STOP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
PLANNING COMMISSION TURNS IT DOWN.
IT DOESN'T GO, STILL GOES, EVERYTHING GOES TO COUNCIL EXCEPT FOR LOT SPLITS.
PLANNING COMMISSION IS A RECOMMENDING BODY.
I MAY HAVE TO BUY EM EXCEPT FOR LOT SPLITS.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE WORK THAT WE DO AS STAFF WHEN AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.
UM, AND DASH, LOGAN, OUR SENIOR PLANNER IS THE ONE THAT OVERSEES THAT PROCESS.
SO I'M GONNA PASS THINGS OVER TO HIM AT THIS POINT.
JUST GIMME A ALRIGHT, SO WE KIND OF ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW TAB WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT PAGE.
UM, BUT THE PROJECTS UNDER THERE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE? SO ONCE A PROJECT'S SUBMITTED, WE HAVE A REVIEW TEAM.
WE SEND ALL OUR APPLICATIONS OUT TO.
UM, IT INCLUDES THE CITY'S POLICE DEPARTMENT, JACKSON CONS FIRE, OUR BUILDING DIVISION, OUR SERVICE
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DEPARTMENT, OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERS, URBAN FORESTRY, ODOT, FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE.UM, WE SENT ALL OUR PROJECTS OUT TO THEM SINCE THEY'RE ALL KIND OF STAKEHOLDERS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR COMMENTS.
UM, ONCE WE RECEIVE THEIR COMM, WE COMPILE 'EM INTO A LETTER WHICH WE ISSUED TO THE APPLICANT, UM, OUTLINING ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REVISED OR ADDRESSED PRIOR TO PROCEEDING PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, ON THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE RIGHT, RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE.
SO IF YOU LOOK, IT'S KIND OF SMALL, BUT UH, IT STARTS WITH APPLICATION BEING RECEIVED.
THEN WE REVIEW AND ISSUE COMMENTS.
THEY ADVISE THE MATERIALS AND THEN THE RED BOXES ARE THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THE APPLICATION GOES TO WHICH ARE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS.
SO WE WALK IN PUBLICLY COME AND PROVIDE COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICATIONS THAT THEY SHOULD DO.
CAN I SAY ONE THING? AND IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T INVOLVED IN LAND USE DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU SEE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THOSE TWO GREEN BOXES ARE BASICALLY WHAT THE THING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE CONFIGURATION'S GONNA BE, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK WHEN WE GET PLANS, AND KYLE AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION EARLIER, THEY THINK PEOPLE DROP OFF LIKE A FINISHED PRODUCT.
LIKE HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BUILD AND HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
THAT ISN'T HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AT ALL ANYWHERE.
WE GET A LOT OF CONCEPTS THAT THEN HAVE TO BE REFINED.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE COUNCIL WILL APPROVE A PROJECT AND THEN ENGINEERING COMES BACK AND SAYS, OH YEAH, WE CAN'T DO THIS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROCESS, THE GREEN BOXES ARE MORE HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK AND FUNCTION AND THE, AND THE BLUE BOX IS THIS IS THE USE, BUT THEY GO THROUGH DIFFERENT STEPS.
A LOT OF TIMES THAT PROCESS KIND OF CYCLES THROUGH.
SO WE'LL GET AN INITIAL SUBMITTAL, WE'LL REVIEW THE REVIEW TEAM, ISSUE A LETTER TO THE APPLICANT, ASK 'EM TO REVISE IT, THEY'LL REVISE THEIR PLAN, SEND IT BACK TO US, WE'LL REVIEW IT AGAIN.
IT MIGHT GET YOU IN A LETTER SAYING, HEY, REVISE THIS.
SO IT COULD, THAT COULD GO ON FOR A WHILE BEFORE IT HITS PLAN COMMISSION COUNCIL.
OUR, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY AND GET ALL THE ISSUES SQUARED AWAY BASED UPON WHAT WE KIND OF REALIZED COUNSEL'S LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE IT WILL BE AN EASIER PROCESS FOR THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID WASTED TIME IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN GET A LOT OF THE ISSUES RESOLVED EARLIER IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WHEN YOU ISSUED THE LETTER BACK, DO THEY HAVE, THEY'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO CORRECT CHANGE ANYTHING, THEY CAN JUST SAY, NOPE, WE WANT TO GO WITH CORRECT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD GET THE POSITION OF MAYBE WE'RE IN AN IMPASSE OR SAY WE WON'T SUPPORT THE PROJECT OR WE, WE DO COME TO THAT ON OCCASION.
OR LIKE A STIPULATION IN A STAFF REPORT.
A LOT OF TIMES IT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE RECOMMEND THEY DO IT AND THEY DON'T, UM, AND WE BELIEVE THEY SHOULD OR IT HAS TO BE DONE.
SO WE'LL STIPULATE THAT AS KIND OF, TO, TO YOUR POINT KYLE.
SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT.
BUT THAT, BUT THE TRAIL, THE PAPER TRAIL AND ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ON THE DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE.
PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND READ IT AND SEE IT.
SO, AND THEN DASH BACK TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.
YOU DON'T MENTION THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
SO AT WHAT, DO WE EVER REACH OUT TO SCHOOLS OR NOT SCHOOLS? WE HAVE GENERAL CONVERSATIONS.
I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S PRETTY REGULARLY, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SCHOOL ON BIGGER PROJECTS.
UH, EXAMPLE THAT BE ON THE FIELD PARK REDEVELOPMENT.
WE, WE, WE MET WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO UNDERSTAND THEIR NEEDS.
UH, WE DID THAT AS WELL ON, UH, FARMSTEAD, FARMSTEAD, FARMSTEAD, I BELIEVE.
SO WE DO DO THAT WHEN IT REALLY WARRANTS IT, BUT WE DO HAVE OTHER CONTACT WITH THE, WITH THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS.
SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING AND UH, WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP.
SO IT'S A LOT, A LOT OF INFORMAL COMMUNICATION ON THAT, ON THAT BEHALF.
AND ALSO FROM HOW WE GROW AS A COMMUNITY.
IF YOU DON'T RECALL, THEY WERE, THE DISTRICT HAD REPRESENTATIVES ON OUR, UH, STEERING COMMITTEE FOR, UM, FOR GROVE 2052.
AND THEY SPECIFICALLY CALLED US IN TO PRESENT THAT TO THEIR BOARD.
UM, AND AS I WAS PRESENTING IT, THEY STOPPED ME ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP SLIDE AND BASICALLY SAID, ALL RIGHT GUYS, THIS IS WHERE THE CITY IS GROWING.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THAT.
SO I MEAN, THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED IN THE LONG RANGE PLANNING.
BUT THEN ALSO, LIKE KYLE SAID, WHEN WE HAVE A A PROJECT OF A CERTAIN SCALE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAKE THEM WORK IN ADDITION TO THE ONGOING COMMUNICATIONS.
SORRY, I'M TRYING TO, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
I'M LEARNING A LOT, UH, TRYING TO PROCESS SOME OF THIS.
SO I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, UH, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ONE, HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE IT SEEMS JUST BY LOOKING AT THIS, ASIDE FROM THE WEBSITE AND KEEPING UP WITH WHAT'S ALL THAT'S HAPPENING, WE DON'T COME INTO THE CONVERSATION UNTIL THE END.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTS REACHING OUT TO US AND ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT
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PROJECTS, WE MAY NOT BE AWARE UNLESS WE PICK UP A PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET FROM TAMMY OR WE HAVE TO GO DO A DEEP DIVE IN THE CITY WEBSITE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PHASE OF THE PROCESS.A LOT OF TIMES WHAT I'M SAYING, WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCIL'S LOOKING FOR THROUGH THE KIND OF OUR REGULAR PROCESS.
WE PICK UP WHAT COUNCIL PEOPLE LIKE IN TERMS OF STREAM LANDSCAPING.
UH, JUST MORE OF THE, THE AESTHETIC PART OF IT.
SO WE KIND OF, WE, OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS, WE'VE KIND OF GATHERED WHAT THE MEMBERS WANT.
LIKE MR. HOLT, HE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT ROOFTOP MECHANICALS, DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT, BUT WE KNOW FOR, FOR THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SCREEN IS UP UP TO PAR.
AND, AND COUNCIL ALSO HAS INVOLVEMENTS IN SOME OF THE BIGGER IDEA SESSIONS SUCH AS THE 2050 AND OTHER STUFF THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THAT WHERE YOU KIND OF HELP SET THE MAPS IN TERMS OF, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THIS HERE.
WHICH IS NEVER A GUARANTEE, BUT YOU'RE GIVING YOUR INPUT THERE.
THAT GETS INCORPORATED INTO KIND OF OUR FUTURE PLAN.
SO WE KNOW OKAY, AT LEAST AT ONE POINT IN TIME WE HAD COUNCIL BUY IN ON THIS HERE AND THEN, SO IT'S, THERE IS PARTS WHERE YOU KIND OF HELP SET THE KIND OF THE LONG RANGE GOAL AND THEN THEIR STAFF IS REALLY FINE TUNING IT TO BRING YOU THE BEST PROJECT THAT FITS WITHIN THOSE.
ON SOME OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS, I'LL, WE'LL ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO COUNCIL TO KIND OF MAKE THEM MORE OF THE PROJECT TO KIND OF PREVIEW, PREVIEW PREVIEW IF YOU WILL, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD.
THEY'RE SEEING THE SAME THING WE'RE SEEING.
IF THEY'RE JUST BASICALLY FINDING OUT ABOUT IT ALMOST AT THE END AND IT GOES BEFORE COUNSEL, HOW IS COUNSEL GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY STUDY IT SO THEY CAN GIVE THEIR YES OR NOS? YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I'LL SAY I'M ON PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE ARE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT ATTEND TO EVERY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THERE ARE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT ATTEND NONE.
I THINK IF YOU WERE ELECTED TO BE ON COUNCIL, YOU SHOULD BE AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR WATCH IT ONLINE, THOSE MEETING OR WATCH IT.
THEY MAY NOT KNOW YOU'RE WATCHING, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE AWARE, WELL AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON CONSIDER, AND YOU GET AN EMAIL COUNCIL ALSO GETS AN EMAIL AS SOON AS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THE PACKET.
EVEN WITH ALL THE LINKS BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THAT, BEFORE THE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU GET THE PHYSICAL PAPER PACKAGE, YOU RECEIVE AN APPLICATION FOR THAT.
WITHIN THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THE APPLICATION READY FOR THE WEB.
WE ALSO RELEASE AN EMAIL TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL AS THE REVIEW TEAM.
MAKE THEM EVERYONE AWARE THAT THIS PROJECT HAS NOW BEEN SUBMITTED.
UH, CHECK THE WEBSITE, GET, GET, PERFORM US WITH THE QUESTION.
SO YES, IT'S THE NEW ITEMS EMAIL AND HOPEFULLY IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT, PLEASE LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU DO
SO IF YOU DO SEE AN ITEM AND YOU HAVE CONCERNS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
I WAS GONNA MENTION TOO OF THE, YOU DON'T GET THOSE.
WHILE THE RED BOXES ARE FORMAL PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE WE ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO COME AND VOICE ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE, WE ARE OPEN DOOR ALL DAY, EIGHT TO FIVE, LONGER THAN THAT USUALLY.
UM, THE, WHOEVER THE PLANNER IN CHARGE IS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS ON THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT PAGE, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE ONLINE.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUR PHONE NUMBERS, OUR EMAILS, UM, WE WANT TO HEAR THE CONCERNS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES THE APPLICANT WILL CHANGE THEIR PLANS ACCORDING TO CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR.
LIKE KYLE MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE IT BE AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE ONCE IT HITS PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN REALLY BEAT UP THE APPLICANT BEFOREHAND.
SO THE SOONER THAT WE HEAR THOSE RESIDENT CONCERNS OR PLANNING COMMISSION CONCERNS OR COUNCIL CONCERNS, WE CAN GET THAT ADDRESSED SOONER.
MAYBE THE APPLICANT WON'T DO IT AND THEN WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL.
BUT, UM, OUR GOAL IS CERTAINLY WE WANT TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS, COMMENTS, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD, UM, WAY TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT, JUST BECAUSE IT SHOWS IN THE RED BOX WHERE IT BECOMES MORE FORMALIZED FOR COUNCIL.
WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A WHILE TO HAVE BEEN ALONG THE PROCESS OR HAVE REACHED OUT OR HAD CONVERSATIONS, UM, THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE PHYSICALLY SEEING STUFF.
AND THOSE, THE SIGNS THAT GET POSTED ON PROPERTIES, I MEAN THAT'S, WE GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS E EVEN AT THE COUNCIL OFFICE ABOUT, HEY, I SAW A SIGN ON THIS ROAD, WHAT IS THAT? YOU KNOW, SO THAT, AND SO THE SIGNS ARE DOING THEIR JOB AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE BIG RED FLAG TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING.
UH, SO THERE'S, I THINK, I THINK THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM'S EFFORTS ARE WORKING.
SO LOOKING AT IT FROM A DEVELOPER SIDE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ALL THE PRESSURE SHOULD BE ON YOU ALL.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE TRYING YOUR BEST
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AND YOU'RE DOING AS BEST AS YOU CAN, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPERS ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY, I THINK WITH UM, THE PROJECT OVER ON WHOLE HOOVER, WE SAW CMHA, I THINK THAT THAT WAS THEM WHO HOSTED A TOWN HALL, UH, HEADWATERS HOSTED A FEW TOWN HALLS.IS THERE AN EXPECTATION FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME IN BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, START MOVING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY? OUR APPLICATIONS FOR I THINK PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, MAYBE EVEN ZONING, ENCOURAGE IT.
UM, IT'S NOT A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, BUT PARTICULARLY IF WE START GETTING RESIDENT PHONE CALLS, UM, I THINK THE WAY IT'S WORDED ON THE CHECKLIST IS IF YOU'RE WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE ENCOURAGED TO HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
I SAID IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT WE CERTAINLY DO ENCOURAGE IT.
UM, BAH PARK JUST HAD ONE LAST NIGHT FOR THEIR ZONING AMENDMENT FOR SUB AREA A.
SO, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN, BUT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HOLD UP A PROJECT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT YET.
BUT IT IS USUALLY IN THE APPLICANT'S BEST INTEREST TO DO IT BEFOREHAND SO THEY CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, TALKING ABOUT THOSE REVIEW LETTERS WE MENTIONED MA, YOU THE APPLICANT, THERE'S A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF THINGS WE, UM, EXAMINE WHEN WE REVIEW AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING CODE COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S THINGS SUCH SETBACKS, PARKING, PARK SPACES, LANDSCAPING, UH, EVEN LIKE THE USE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PERMITTED.
UH, UTILITY INFORMATION, ACCESS CAPACITY FOR WATER SEWER.
LOOK AT HOW YOUR CURRENT AREA CAN SERVICE IT, IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS ARE NEEDED.
UH, STORM WATER, HOW THAT'S BEING MANAGED WITH, UM, CITY POLICIES AND REGULATIONS.
UH, IF A TRAFFIC STUDY IS WARRANTED, THAT'S A PRETTY LENGTHY PROCESS.
WE WORK WITH ODOT FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE AND OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER ON IT'S TWO STEP PROCESS.
SO WE DO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FIRST.
IT'S KIND OF ESTABLISH IT'S A SCOPE FOR THE STUDY AND THEN THEY CONDUCT THE ACTUAL STUDY.
AND ONCE THE STUDY'S BEEN ACCEPTED BY ALL RELEVANT REVIEWERS, WHETHER IT'S ODOT, THE COUNTY, THE CITY, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS FOUND TO BE, UM, IT'S COMPLETE.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT, UH, IF THERE'S FLOOD PLAN ON SITE, ANY FEED REGULATIONS THAT MIGHT IMPACT THAT COMPATIBILITY WITH SURROUND THE AREAS, HOW IT FITS IN WITH OUR LAND USE PLANS AND AREA PLANS.
UH, CONNECTIVITIES A, UM, A BIG ONE, ROAD CONNECTIVITY, TRAIL CONNECTIVITY, SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY SO PEOPLE CAN GET WHERE THEY'RE GOING SAFELY.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME MORE PROJECT SPECIFIC IMPACTS.
UM, THINGS COULD BE LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS THAT COULD IMPACT THE PROJECT.
SO WE REVIEW ALL OF THOSE WITH OUR REVIEW TEAM.
UM, AND THOSE ALL GO IN A LETTER THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ISSUED, UM, AND THEY CAN KIND OF RESPOND.
THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE IS KIND OF A PICTURE, A SNAPSHOT OF ONE OF THOSE REVIEW LETTERS WHERE WE'LL ISSUE IT AND THE APPLICANT WILL ISSUE RESPONSES SO WE CAN GO BACK IN AND SEE IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING OUR CONCERNS THOROUGHLY OR IF THEY'RE NOT, UM, AND KIND OF KEEP THE APPLICATION PROGRESSING FORWARD AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S ADDRESSED TO CITY STANDARDS AND CODES.
WE, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON UTILITIES.
WE TRY THE BEST WE CAN TO, TO UTILIZE DEVELOPMENT TO SOLVE, UH, CHALLENGES WE'RE HAVING IN THE CITY.
WHETHER IT BE A ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT, UH, OVERSIZING, SANITARY LINES, WATER LINES, UH, IF WE CAN, UH, IT'S EASIER TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER DO THE PROJECT AND HAVE US PAY FOR THE OVERSIZE OF THE PROJECT FOR THIS LARGER, FOR THIS LARGER IMPROVEMENT.
SO WHENEVER THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF US CAPITALIZING ON A DEVELOPED PROJECT TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC BENEFIT, WE ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE WE, WE CAN, I REALIZE THAT BENEFIT, THE ONE THING YOU DON'T.
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WATER AND SANITARY, UH, SEWER, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW THIS WORLD, WE DO NOT HAVE, WE HAVE OUR OWN SYSTEM, WHICH BASICALLY IS WE OWN THE PIPES, THE WATER AND SEWER IS ALL COLUMBUS.
SO IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHETHER THERE'S CAPACITY, ET CETERA, THAT'S COLUMBUS.
AND WE'LL WORK WITH COLUMBUS AND WE WORK WITH THEM VERY CLOSELY.
WE HAVE A WATER AND SEWER CONTRACT WITH THEM THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR DARN NEAR 50 YEARS AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO ON BECAUSE THEY'RE FRANKLY THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU DON'T SEE UNDER UTILITY ACCESS, AND IT MIGHT BE RELEVANT HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, IS ELECTRIC.
WE HAVE NO SAY WE HAVE NO VOTE WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THE ELECTRIC GRID WORKS AND OR WHAT IS OUT THERE OR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE A EP OR WHOEVER IT IS TO DO.
WE HAVE NO SAY WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET THE HOLES DOWN.
BROADWAY VARIED AND WE CAN'T AND WE CAN'T DO THAT.
WE CAN'T EVEN GET 'EM PUSHED BEHIND.
YEAH, WE, THAT IS THE ONE AREA WHERE, 'CAUSE I'VE HAD PEOPLE THROUGH THE DATA CENTER PROCESS, LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA TAX THE GRID? AND I'M LIKE, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT OKAY, IF YOU BELIEVE THAT.
BUT WE, THAT IS NOT A FACTOR THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND OR IN ESSENCE MAKE DECISIONS BASED UPON 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T
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KNOW AND THEY DON'T SHARE DASH.CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT TRIGGERS A TRAFFIC STUDY? THAT IS SOMETHING TYPICALLY WITH REZONING, WE WORK WITH OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER.
I THINK THE OFFICIAL THRESHOLD FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, FOR THE CITY'S POLICY IS 100 VEHICLE TRIPS, 100 PEAK TRIPS PER DAY.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES PEAK HOURS.
PEAK HOURS, PEAK HOURS, SORRY.
UM, A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T TRIGGER THAT, WE'LL ASK FOR A MEMO JUST KIND OF OUTLINING THEIR, THEIR COUNTS JUST TO KIND OF SEE HOW IT RELATES, UM, AND ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS IT MAY HAVE.
UM, BUT THE DIGITAL THRESHOLD IS THAT 100 THAT QUESTION? YEAH, THERE IS A UM, A POLICY THAT OUTLINES KIND OF WHAT THOSE THRESHOLDS ARE, BUT IN THE END THAT POLICY ALSO HAS A PRETTY GOOD CATCHALL OF THAT.
IF WE FEEL THAT IT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AREA, THEN IT COULD KICK OFF THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES, UM, WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE ODOS JURISDICTION AND THE TOWNSHIP, SO THOSE ARE OUR FRANKLIN COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE.
SO WHEN WE HAVE A PROJECT COMES IN ON ROADS, WE SHARE WITH THEM, WE BRING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND SOMETIMES THEY'LL FEEL THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THAT.
SO, UM, WE WORK WITH, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE WHAT ROADS GROVE CITY OWNS VERSUS ODOT VERSUS TOWNSHIP.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST THE REVIEW PROCESS IN GENERAL BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE NEXT TOPIC? KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, MOM SAID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL AT THE END IN SOME CASES MAYBE NOT REALIZING SOMETHING'S COMING.
AT THAT POINT, COUNCIL IS MAKING THE FINAL YES OR NO DECISION, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, YES, NO, ET CETERA.
BUT IF SOMEBODY'S PUSHING SOMETHING THROUGH, ULTIMATELY IT COMES TO COUNCIL AS THE FINAL YES.
NO DECISION ON WHETHER SOMETHING MOTION FORWARD OR NOT.
AND CAN I ADD A NOTE TO THAT OR KIND OF ASK THE QUESTION OR MAKE THE STATEMENT, AND YOU GUYS VALIDATE THIS, THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE COME TO COUNCIL WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT RECOMMENDED THINGS MOVE FORWARD, CORRECT? MM-HMM
OR I'M SORRY, DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THEN PLANNING COMMISSION.
UM, I CAN'T RECALL, BUT HAVE THERE BEEN THINGS WHERE MAYBE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS IT? EXCUSE ME, LEMME BACK UP.
DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS IT, PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T RECOMMEND IT OR DOESN'T VOTE.
THERE'S BEEN THOSE THINGS AND THEN THERE'S BEEN VICE VERSA WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT MIGHT RECOMMEND SOMETHING MOVE FORWARD, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT NOT RECOMMENDS IT.
COUNSEL DOES NOT ANY OF THOSE COULD HAPPEN.
ANY OF THOSE, ANY OF THOSE SCENARIOS.
SO JUST TO, BECAUSE I CAN'T RECALL IF WE'VE SEEN THAT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, BUT JUST, JUST TO SAY THAT THERE COULD BE THINGS THAT COME IN FRONT OF COUNSEL THAT WE'RE NOT RE AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, FRANKLY, THE ONLY BODY THAT TRULY HAS THE POWER TO SAY NO IS COUNSEL.
WE CAN DISCOURAGE BAD DEVELOPMENT OR BAD PROJECTS OR BAD IDEAS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK.
AND COUNSEL IS THE ONLY ONE WHO COULD OFFICIALLY SAY NO, PERIOD.
THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT RECOMMENDED IT TO COUNSEL AND AT THAT POINT THEY'RE LIKE, THE DEVELOPERS SAY, I'M GONNA WITHDRAW THIS BEFORE IT EVEN GOES TO COUNCIL.
WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS.
HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BASED ON COMMENTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU'VE SEEN ALL SCENARIOS.
YOU'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS OF OF DENIAL AND COUNCIL TURNS AROUND AND APPROVES IT.
YOU'VE SEEN RECOMMENDATIONS OF APPROVAL AND COUNCIL TURNS AROUND STIPULATIONS VERY OR ADDS EXTRA STIPULATIONS.
THERE'S A, SO THE PUBLIC HAS A VOICE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS ALL THE WAY FROM PLANNING, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DAY YOU SEE THE SIGN IN THE YARD, YOU CAN CALL STAFF, YOU CAN GO TO PLANNING COMMISSION OR YOU CAN EMAIL OUR RIGHT PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU KNOW, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN COME TO COUNCIL AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS THERE ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND THEN IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT STILL DOESN'T MEET YOUR LIKING AND YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT AN APPROVAL YOU HAVE, THE PUBLIC HAS A WAY TO ACT UPON THAT AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PUBLIC HAS LOTS OF TIME TO HELP IN A DEVELOPER AS LONG AS THE PUBLIC IS ACTUALLY AWARE OF IT.
GOING BACK TO WHAT MOHAMMAD SAID, YOU CAN SEE THE SIGNS, BUT YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW WHAT THOSE SIGNS ARE ABOUT.
I MEAN, YOU COULD, FACEBOOK WILL TELL YOU, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TAKING AROUND THE FACEBOOK, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
SO I REALLY THINK THERE HAS TO BE
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AN EASIER WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, OH, THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGN WHAT'S GOING ON? OR TO BE ABLE TO LOOK UP WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THESE DEEP DIVES BECAUSE IT IS A VERY LARGE WEBSITE THAT WE HAVE.AND IT'S DIFFICULT IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE KNOW, UM, TO BE ABLE TO FIND SOME OF THE INFORMATION.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE PROBABLY EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE IF WE COULD MAKE THINGS MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AND BE ABLE TO JUST THE AVERAGE PERSON WHO IS NOT INVOLVED IN PLANNING OR DEVELOPMENT BE ABLE TO FIND WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING INTO USING FACEBOOK.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE HEARD THAT EXACTLY THAT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO GET IT ONLINE AND PUSH IT IN THE WAYS THAT WE KNOW.
BUT WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION FIELDS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO FACEBOOK.
UM, IF THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TABLE FEELS WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO DOING THAT AS WELL.
BUT WE, WE TRY OUR BEST TO GET INFORMATION OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, REGARDLESS OF YOUR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT OR AGAINST THE PROJECT, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE THE INFORMATION OUT THERE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
SO IT'S, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT TRYING TO HIDE OR SCREW ANYTHING.
UH, IT, IT IS JUST WITH SOCIAL MEDIA NOWADAYS, IT'S HARD TO GET IN FRONT OF EVERYTHING EVERY TIME.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGES.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, MICHELLE.
LOT PEOPLE DON'T READ ANYMORE.
WE DON'T HAVE A NEWSPAPER ANYMORE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IS A BIG CHALLENGE FOR PAT COMING IN HIS NEW POSITION AND I THINK HE'S OFF TO A REALLY GOOD START.
UM, SO THIS CONTINUED FEEDBACK TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO, IT, IT'S, IT IS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR A LONG TIME.
WAS THAT DECISION TRIGGER FLOW CHART THAT YOU HAD UP THERE IN THIS, IS THAT AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE? YES.
SO I JUST WILL HAVE TO THAT YOU, I, AND I'LL EMAIL YOU THIS, ALL OF THIS PRESENTATION, IT JUST CAME IN AT FIVE 30 TONIGHT, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE YOU GET THE SLIDES.
I THINK DOES THAT
WELL I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO GET IT, GET IT ALL DONE.
SO YEAH, AND WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT COMMUNICATION.
I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ON MY FACEBOOK PAGE, I SIMPLY PUT THE AGENDAS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND PEOPLE HAVE SAID TO ME, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THAT'S JUST THE BARE MINIMUM JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AND JUST BECAUSE IT'S ON FACEBOOK, PEOPLE SEE IT AND, AND THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE THING.
YEAH, THERE'S UH, DEFINITELY SOME, AND TO THAT POINT TOO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE AS A CITY AND WE POST THE AGENDAS ON FACEBOOK FOR COMMISSION AND COUNCIL, BUT I MEAN THERE'S THE MORE PEOPLE THAT SORT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT CAN THEN SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY FOLLOWS THE CITY OR, YOU KNOW, OR WHEN WE GET A DEVELOPMENT FACEBOOK PAGE, IF AND WHEN WE DO, UM, NOT EVERYBODY WILL GET THAT INFORMATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY THAT IT CAN BE SHARED THROUGH OTHER AVENUES TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS GETTING THAT INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT.
BACK TO EDUCATION, KNOWING WHAT SITES ARE AVAILABLE, ALERTS, I MEAN, WE COULD GO ON AND ON YEAH.
THE INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE, BUT THEY NEED TO KNOW HOW TO THAT IT'S THERE AND HOW TO GET TO IT.
AND IT IS A LOT MORE ACCESSIBLE NOW THAN IT'S EVER BEEN.
YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING'S HAPPENING UNTIL IT'S BUILT
'CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW, UNLESS YOU WERE JUST AT ONE OF THESE CITY HALL RATS THAT COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW.
AND I THINK THAT'S, SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THAT TIME, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE MISTRUST IS CREATED BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WELL WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW THIS? YOU GUYS KEPT A SECRET, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE AVENUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
HAVING SAID THAT, WE'VE GOT WAY TOO MANY WAYS TO GET THERE.
AND SO IF YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THIS WEBSITE THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING THINGS AND THEN IT COMES UP AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND EVEN IF YOU GO INTO WEBSITES LIKE THIS AND YOU CLICK AND YOU SAY FOLLOW.
SO, SO THAT MAYBE YOU'RE GETTING, YOU'RE GETTING NOTIFICATIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SEEK THEM, WHICH I MUCH PREFER TO GET IT THAN TO GO SEEK IT.
AND, BUT THEN YOUR, BUT THEN YOUR INBOX GETS SO OVERWHELMED THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS LATER YOU GO, WELL I JUST HAD 300 MESSAGES AND I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT EASY FOR ANYBODY.
AND YOU CAN SIGN UP TO GET EMAILS STRAIGHT FROM THE CITY AND YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT.
SO IF YOUR KIDS ARE OLDER AND YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT PARKS AND REC, YOU CAN NOT PICK THAT.
BUT YOU COULD PICK COUNCIL AND YOU CAN PICK
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PLANNING COMMISSION.SO YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT TO GET IN YOUR INBOX FROM OUR, UH, FROM OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM.
NO, NO, IT'S VERY MUCH ON TOPIC BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT.
PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T KNOW AND WE HAVE IT, IT'S ALL AVAILABLE.
I MEAN, NOBODY'S EVER GOING TO TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU THAT, BUT WE LIVE AND BREATHE IT ALL THE TIME.
BACK TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT? NOT EVERYBODY DOES.
SO IT, I THINK IT'S THE EFFORT THAT MATTERS LIKE A YEAH, WE ARE TRYING HARD, MAYBE WE'RE MISSING THE MARK A FLYER WITH THE AGENDA AND POST IT BEFORE EVERY MEETING.
I'M IN WARD FIVE AND I GET CALLS ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND PEOPLE NOTICE STUFF LIKE THAT.
YES, THE RESOURCES MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, BUT AS A CITY, ARE WE MAKING THE EFFORT TO MAKE THE ACCESS EASY FOR EVERYDAY RESIDENTS? NOT JUST US THAT HAVE TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE CITY, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WORK EVERY DAY AND DON'T EVEN HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN GROVE CITY UNLESS THEY SEE IT ON GROVE CITY CONNECT.
I THINK THE EFFORT PLAYS A, A BIG ROLE, ESPECIALLY NOW MORE THAN EVER BECAUSE TRUST IS, IN MY OPINION, THE CORE OF THE CONVERSATION.
LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MISTRUST IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE ARE, ARE MAKING THEIR OWN NARRATIVES AND TELLING THEIR OWN STORY ABOUT DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO PUT MORE EFFORT.
YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS NOW.
I JUST HAVE, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THOUGH.
ARE WE EVER, IS ANY DISCUSSION TONIGHT GOING TO CENTER AROUND LIKE THE PUD PROCESS? WE TALKED ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS? OR IS THE PD PROCESS GONNA BE SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER DAY? ANOTHER TIME THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE AGENDA? WE CAN TALK, I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN DON'T SUGGEST THE AGENDA.
WELL, NO, JUST SORT OF, I THINK IN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DATA CENTERS LAST TIME IN OUR FIRST MEETING AND WAS BROUGHT UP TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM COUNCIL MEETINGS FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION IN THOSE MINUTES JUST ABOUT THAT PROCESS.
AND JUST FOR THOSE YOU, I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH, ESSENTIALLY THE BEAUTY PROCESS ON THE LEFT SIDE GOES ALL WAY TO THE RIGHT.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO, AND JUST FROM A BASIC STANDPOINT, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, WE, WE USE THAT TOOL PROPERTY ZONE ONE OF TWO WAYS.
IT'S EITHER STRAIGHT ZONE WHERE WE SAY YOU'RE AN R RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE A C COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE AN I INDUSTRIAL, OR THERE'S TIMES WHERE THE USES JUST DON'T FIT INTO ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
SO PUD ALLOWS US TO WRITE A ZONING TEXT JUST FOR THOSE PROPERTIES SO WE CAN MIX THINGS TOGETHER.
UM, THE DATA CENTERS WOULD'VE BEEN AN EXAMPLE OF A PUD TEXT JUST BECAUSE FRANKLY WE DON'T HAVE A ZONING CODE FOR DATA DATA CENTERS.
BUT WHAT THE PUD IS ALLOW US TO WRITE A ZONING TEXT JUST FOR THAT PROPERTY.
NOW ALL THE OTHER ZONING REQUIREMENTS STILL APPLY, BUT WE CAN GET A LOT MORE SPECIFIC AND A LOT MORE IN THE DETAILS WHEN WE WRITE THE PUD TEXT.
I MEAN, WE CAN BE UNBELIEVABLY SPECIFIC MM-HMM
IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANNA REGULATE, HOW WE WANNA REGULATE WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S PROCESS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S REALLY IN ESSENCE, IT'S STILL JUST A REZONING.
I MEAN THE PUD IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ZONING.
IT'S JUST INSTEAD OF THE REGULAR RC YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DD IT'S IT'SS OWN DOUBLE SINGLES, IT'S ITS OWN TEXT.
UH, PINNACLE PARK, HUB CENTER.
MOST OF THE MORE MODERN, LARGER SCALE PROJECTS HAVE ALL BEEN DONE THROUGH PDS.
AND IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE ZONING OR ZONING POOL CODE IS IT'S A MIX.
I MEAN, THERE IS NO MIXED USE BY RIGHT ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
SO BAH PARK FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S, THERE'S COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
YEAH, WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE C TWO, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL ALONG SOUTHWEST OR WHATNOT.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE MORE MODERN STANDARDS, UM, OUR ZONING CODE DOES NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT CURRENT MARKET STANDARDS.
SO THAT IS WHERE P AND WHAT THE CLARIFY THAT YES, ANSWER, HEAR, SAY, AND WHAT THE PD ALLOWS US TO DO IS BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT'S A MIX OF USES AND INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING C AND RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL RESIDE NEXT TO EACH OTHER, THE PD ALLOWS US TO WRITE SPECIFIC THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE TWO PLAY NICE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
WELL, IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, IF THERE'S GONNA BE HOUSES HERE IN COMMERCIAL HERE, WE WANT X, Y, AND Z.
VERSUS JUST HAVING STRAIGHT ZONES WHERE THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN REQUIREMENTS.
IT ALLOWS US TO REALLY FINE TUNE IT.
SO THERE'S THIS, THERE'S THE STRAIGHT ZONES, DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, BUT BUD IS A BESPOKE ZONING SAY, RIGHT? WHERE YOU CAN WRITE IT, LIKE YOU SAID, AS SPECIFIC AS YOU WANT, MAKE IT AS DETAILED AS AS WE NEED TO.
SO IN ESSENCE, IT ALMOST GIVES A LITTLE MORE FREEDOM.
WE HAVE A STRAIGHT ZONING ONCE THEY APPLY, IF THEY MEET ALL STRAIGHT ZONING, THE BEST, THE BEST EXAMPLE OF STRAIGHT ZONING WHERE PEOPLE, I DON'T WANNA SAY FAILED, BUT THINK IT FAILED, IS,
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UM, NOBODY WANTED THE FIREWORK STORE AT 71 IN STRING TOWER.BUT IT WAS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL AND THAT FIT THE USE.
THEREFORE YOU GET FIREWORK, YOU GET A, YOU GET A FIREWORK STORE AND IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH.
IT DIDN'T HAVE TO, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE TO COME THROUGH.
BUILDING WAS BUILT, IT WAS ALREADY BUILT, IT WAS ALREADY ZONED.
AND WHEN IT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL AND THE FIREWORK STORES A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND WANTS TO GO IN THERE, THIS GOES BACK TO, TO THE, WE DON'T GET A PICK AND CHOOSE WHO OCCUPIES THE BUILDINGS.
SO FOR A PUD DEVELOPMENT, BASICALLY YOU LOOK AT THAT AT, AT THE GRAPHIC THERE, YOU START ON LEFT HAND SIDE WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, RUN YOUR CONCEPT.
THROUGH OUR PROCESS, YOU GET A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OR APPROVAL FROM PLANNING COMMISSION, GOING TO COUNCIL.
IF YOU GOT APPROVAL, IT'S STILL, IT'S A CONCEPT, CONDITION OR CONCEPT PLAN.
THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE REZONING STEPS, UH, WHERE YOU WOULD WRITE YOUR OWN TEXT IF YOU WANTED TO.
WE, WE DID A DEEP DIVE TO MAKE A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
UH, SO DURING THAT REZONING PROCESS, WE DEVELOPED THE STANDARDS FOR THE, FOR THAT, FOR THAT, FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL, THEY COME BACK WITH A FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SHOW THEIR PLANS, COMPLY WITH THAT NEW ZONING CODE, IF YOU WILL, THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT TAX.
SO YOU START WITH THE CONCEPT ON THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU DRAFT REGULATIONS ON THE REZONING, YOU COME BACK ON THE FILE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SHOW THAT YOUR PLAN MEETS THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT, OF THAT TEXT.
AND COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE EACH AT THE END OF EACH ONE OF THOSE.
SO, PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL IS SAYING YES OR NO, WE LIKE THIS CONCEPT, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
THEN THERE'S THE REZONING, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, COUNSEL IS SAYING YES, THE, THE ZONING THAT'S BEING, THAT'S DEFINED, WHETHER IT BE STANDARD OR PUD, YES, WE, WE AGREE WITH THAT, YES OR NO.
AND THEN FINALLY THE, THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
AND COUNCIL SAYS YES OR NO, GO FORWARD OR NOT.
THE MOST CONTROLLED COUNCIL HAS IS ACTUALLY DURING THE REZONING PARTIES.
THAT'S WHERE YOU ESTABLISH THE RULES.
AND I EVEN COUNCIL STRUGGLED WITH THIS AT TIMES.
ALRIGHT? THE BLUE LINE IN THE MIDDLE IS A REZONING.
A REZONING IS A LEGISLATIVE ACT.
PURELY LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL HAS ALL THE DISCRETION IN THE WORLD.
THEY COULD SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S MONDAY.
THEY JUST CAN'T SAY NO FOR THE BAD THINGS, RACE, RELIGION, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN.
BUT THEY CAN SAY NO FOR ANY REASON AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GIVE A REASON.
IN THE BLUE, THE GREEN LINES ARE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.
THESE ARE, WE HAVE STANDARDS IN OUR CODE THEREFORE, HUH? OR THE TEXT.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY NO ON A GREEN COLUMN, THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND YOU SHOULD POINT TO SOMETHING TO SAY I'M SAYING NO BECAUSE OF YOU'RE APPLYING THE RULES.
SO THE BLUE, WE COULD SAY NO FOR ANY REASON, SAYING NO ON THE GREEN, YOU COULD STILL SAY NO, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT HARDER BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DECIDING THE RIGHTS OF A SINGLE PERSON BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE RULES AND IF THEY MEAN THE RULES, YOU SHOULD SAY YES.
NOW, THERE'S SOME FLUFFY LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE GREEN, LIKE HOW DOES IT, UH, SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONTINUITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, SO, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME FLUFFY ONES THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE GREEN AREA, THERE IS STANDARDS AND YOU JUST CAN'T SAY NO BECAUSE YOU WANNA SAY NO.
SO IF WE, IF SOMETHING COMES BEFORE COUNCIL ALAN AND THE REZONING, AND WE APPROVE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, NO.
AND THEN AGAIN, TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THEY FOLLOW EVERYTHING IN THAT ZONING.
WELL, IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING AND DON'T, BUT IF THEY DO, IF THEY DO, IT BECOMES MORE DIFFICULT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET, YOU CAN STILL SAY NO, BUT YOU GET A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE.
AND THERE'S TIMES WHEN I'VE THOUGHT COUNCIL'S, LIKE, I'M LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO TO THIS.
AND SOMETIMES I'LL BE LIKE, HERE'S THE STANDARDS, POINT TO ONE OF THESE.
YOU KNOW? UH, JUST READ SOMETHING INTO THE RECORD FOR ME.
AND WHEN, UM, BACK TO WHEN YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT MARKET STANDARDS OR KIND OF INDUSTRY STANDARDS, IS IT PUD, UM, SOMETHING THAT YOU DO SEE A LOT THROUGHOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES? OR DO OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE MORE STRAIGHT ZONING CODE SET? THE NEW, THE MOST MODERN COMMUNITY, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IN DUBLIN, IF YOU COULD FIND ME A 10 PROPERTIES THAT ARE STRAIGHT ZONED, I'D GIVE YOU MONEY.
THEY CONTROL EVERY DETAIL OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT.
IF YOU HAD A STRAIGHT ZONE PROPERTY, YOU'RE GOING TO BILLING PERMITS, YOU'RE GOING RIGHT TO BILLING DIVISION, AND YOU'RE NOT BILLING COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
BUT MOST, AND, AND, AND THE FUNNY THING IS NOW, IT USED TO BE STRAIGHT ZONE WAS KIND OF HOW EVERYTHING WAS DONE REALLY.
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EIGHTIES, PUDS CAME ALONG.I THINK THE, THE, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES RELIED PURELY ON PUDS.
NOW, SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE MOVING TO WHAT'S CALLED FORM-BASED ZONING, WHERE WE'RE GONNA CONTROL WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKS LIKE.
AND YOU CAN PUT IN THERE WHATEVER YOU WANT.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE BUILDING'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
LIKE BRIDGE PARK IS AN EXAMPLE.
IF ANYONE'S BEEN TO BRIDGE PARK, THAT IS A FORM-BASED ZONING THING.
I MEAN, WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT WE CARED ABOUT WHAT THE BUILDINGS LOOKED LIKE, HOW THEY FUNCTION TOGETHER, AND WHAT THE USES WERE.
IT'S ALL NONE OF, AND BY THE WAY, NONE OF THEM ARE RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT UD IS UTILIZED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT TERM TIME, UNLESS MAYBE NOW THIS NEWER TERM INFORMED, I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY.
DATA CENTERS, UH, WANNA START OFF WITH A KIND OF A BRIEF HISTORY.
UH, BACK IN 2023, THE, THE HIGHLIGHT PARCEL IS THE TRAP PARCEL.
IT'S A 98 98 ACRE, 99 ACRE PARCEL.
UH, SOUTH OF RIDGE ROAD, WEST OF, UH, US 62.
AND THE RAILROAD TRACK, THIS WAS A, UH, A PROJECT THAT STARTED WITH A PHONE CALL.
UH, THERE WAS A, I CAN TELL YOU THE EXACT STORY.
UH, THERE WAS A FAMILY WEDDING AND THE, THE, THE SON-IN-LAW OR THE HAD A FATHER AND HE WAS INTO DATA CENTERS.
SO BY, BY THAT ONE WEDDING, I GOT A PHONE CALL ABOUT A POTENTIAL DATA CENTER SITE.
THAT'S HOW THIS PROJECT ALL STARTED BACK IN 20 22, 20 23.
UH, I WILL SAY THAT PROJECT DIDN'T GET VERY FAR.
UH, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THERE WAS NEVER AN APPLICATION FOR A ZONING OR DEVELOP PLAN ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE GOT AS FAR AS A, AS A ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, UH, WHICH WAS VOTED DOWN BY COUNCIL AS ZERO FIVE IN 2022.
AND, AND JUST TO KIND OF GO BACK TO THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL DO, UM, AND I KNOW I HAVE OUR TOWNSHIP FOLKS HERE, BUT MOST OF THESE PROJECTS, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPED, THEY'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN THE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ANNEXING IN, BUT WE WANT TO DO AN AGREEMENT THAT KIND OF OUTLINES KIND OF HOW WE THINK IT'S GOING TO GO.
NOW, PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS, THEY'RE NOT FINAL.
I MEAN, THEY DON'T DETERMINE ANYTHING.
YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THOSE STEPS THAT WE HAD EARLIER.
BUT THEY KIND OF SET THE STAGE FOR THAT.
THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, IN CONCEPT, THIS IS HOW WE THINK IT'S GOING TO WORK.
AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IT SETTING EXPECTATIONS.
IT PARTIES, IT SETS EXPECTATIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T TRULY BIND ANYONE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GREEN, THE BLUE, AND THE GREEN.
SO WHERE, WHERE DOES THIS HAPPEN? COMPARE? SO IS THIS, WOULD THIS BE BEFORE? THIS BEFORE IS BEFORE
AND, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT PROPERTY STILL GOT ANNEXED INTO GROVE CITY.
IT WAS ANN, IT WAS THE PRE, PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT THAT WAS DENIED BY COUNCIL.
AND IF THE CITY DOES NOT, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME, WE DO NOT ASK PROPERTY TO BE ANNEXED.
AND I THINK THAT'S A MISCONCEPTION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, ANY PROPERTY THAT WANTS TO COME TO GROVE CITY, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA TELL COUNCIL TAKE IT, BECAUSE THEN WE CONTROL IT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THE TOWNSHIP ZONING STANDARDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN OURS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TOWNSHIP ZONING IS DONE THROUGH THE COUNTY.
BUT THEIR STANDARDS ARE NOT THE SAME AS OURS.
I THINK OUR STANDARDS ARE MORE STRINGENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I WILL TELL COUNSEL, ANYTIME SOMEONE FILES THE ANNEXATION, IT'S LIKE, TAKE IT.
'CAUSE WE WANT TO CONTROL WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES TO UP TO GRIP CITY OF GRIP CITY AND SAYS, WE WANT TO ANNEX.
THERE'S MULTIPLE REASONS FOR DOING, DOING THAT.
AND IT ALSO HAS TO COME INTO THE SAME OR SIMILAR ZONING AS MOST COMPARABLE.
SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER MISCONCEPTION ON THAT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOOVER AND HOLTON.
WELL, THEN IT, THEN IT GETS EVEN A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S AN ALTERNATE PROCESS WHERE YOU CAN DO WHAT'S CALLED A ZONING UPON ANNEXATION.
WHERE COUNSEL BOTH IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ANNEXATION PROCESS, ACCEPT IT, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA ZONE IN SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY AT THE SAME TIME THAT HAPPENS.
CAN YOU BACK UP FOR A SECOND THOUGH, AND TALK ABOUT, YOU SAID THE PRE ANNEXATION FAILED, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS STILL ANNEXED IN.
THERE WAS A, CAN WE TALK THROUGH THAT OR WHAT THAT EXAMPLE WAS? THE, UM, PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THERE WAS A DEVELOPER WHO WANTED TO BUY THE GROUND.
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THEY ASKED FOR A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT SO THAT THEY KNEW THAT THE CITY WAS ON BOARD WITH THE CONCEPT OF HOW THEY WANTED TO DEVELOP IT.THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO MAKE APPLICATION TO ANNEX, NOT NOT THE DEVELOPER.
SO WHEN THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WAS DENIED, THEN THE ANNEXATION REQUEST CAME NEXT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS ASKED, DO YOU STILL WANNA ANNEX INTO THE CITY OR DO YOU WANT US TO DENY THIS AND LET YOU WITH, IN ESSENCE, WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST AND STAY IN THE TOWNSHIP? THEY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANNEXATION AND COME INTO THE CITY.
AND THAT IS UNBELIEVABLY UNIQUE.
I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN I DO A PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, IT'S KIND OF CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL.
WE'RE NOT GONNA ANNEX IF YOU DON'T APPROVE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.
SO HOW THIS ONE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS IS KIND OF UNIQUE.
'CAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE LIKE, IF I AIN'T GET, IF I DON'T GET THE PRE ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, I'M NOT ANNEXING.
I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT TIME WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING AND TRY THIS AGAIN.
YOU ARE FORGETTING THAT THE CHURCH DID NOT REQUEST TO BE ANNEXED ACROSS ONE ORANGE ROAD TO BE ANNEXED INTO THIS, THIS PROPERTY AS A PART OF GROVE CITY.
THEY SIGNED THE APPLICATION, THE SIGNED, THEY SIGNED IT BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKED.
BUT THEY DIDN'T COME TO YOU? THEY DIDN'T COME TO
I THEY WANTED TOPIC CONVERSATION.
BUT YET, WHEN, WHEN THE MATERIALS COME FORWARD, WHEN THAT WAS SIGNED, AS THE CHURCH WAS A WILLING PARTICIPANT TO THE ATION.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE GO OFF OF.
THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR, BECAUSE SOMEBODY FROM THE CHURCH WHO HAD, WHO HAD THE ABILITY YES.
TO SIGN THE ANNEXATION PETITION AND REQUEST ANNEXATION DID.
SO WE DIDN'T GO ASK WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
SO IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? YES.
IT WAS THE PREVIOUS GROUP THAT WAS THERE.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, UN UNDER OHIO LAW, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS THINGS CAN BE ANNEXED.
ONE IS A MAJORITY OWNER, WHERE FRANKLY YOU CAN DRAG PEOPLE ALONG AGAINST THE WILL.
THIS ONE WAS UNIQUE 'CAUSE WE HAD A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP.
WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DRAGGED ANYONE TO THE CITY AGAINST THEIR WILL.
EVERYONE WHO HAS COME TO THE CITY HAS COME VOLUNTARILY.
HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES ALONG THERE AND YOU NEED ALL THREE OF 'EM TO MEET THE CONTINUITY, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY DRAG ONE OF THE THREE ALONG WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
THIS ONE'S JUST UNIQUE 'CAUSE THEY WITHDREW IT HALFWAY THROUGH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
BUT IT THEORETICALLY STILL WORKS UNDER THE LAW.
'CAUSE WE PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS.
SO, JUST TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS PROJECT, IT WAS A PRE IZATION AGREEMENT, BUT WE STILL WANTED TO HAVE COUNSEL HAVE SOME CONCEPT OF WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS GONNA BE USED FOR.
SO WE ASKED 'EM TO DEVELOP A, A SITE CONCEPT PLAN.
UH, I SHOULD SAY THAT IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.
UH, SO THIS AREA WOULD BE SERVED BY AN 18 INCH, UH, WATER, WATER MAIN.
UH, THAT'S NOT BY ANY STRETCH ABLE TO COOL.
IF YOU WANT THE NEW ALBANY, THOSE WATER LINES WILL BE 24 INCHES OR, OR MORE FOR, FOR WATER SERVICE.
THERE ARE VERY LARGE WATER, WATER USERS OUT THERE.
WE WOULDN'T WANT IT DESIGNATE JUST FOR DATA INTERVIEWS.
WE WANT, WE HAVE OTHER PRIORITIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO, TO, UH, USE WATER FOR.
UH, SO IN THIS CASE, UH, THEY DEVISED THIS CONCEPT PLAN WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, THE ORANGE BOX, WHICH REPRESENTS SEVEN OR EIGHT ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL TO PROVIDE, UH, COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN THE ADJACENT USES.
AND THIS PROPOSED DATA CENTER FACILITY, THE PINK AREA, IS 47 ACRES OF SOLAR.
UH, THEY WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY COULD CAPTURE SOLAR POWER TO POWER AT LEAST PART OF THEIR DATA CENTER FACILITY.
AND THE, THE SOUTH, THE SOUTHERN 35 ACRES WAS TO BE THE ACTUAL DATA CENTER BUILDING.
SO THE DATA CENTER BUILDING WOULD'VE BEEN A TWO STORY BUILDING.
UH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 1800 FEET OFF THE ROAD, RIGHT.
JUST NORTH OF THE A EP SUBSTATION.
SO ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE 80 SUBSTATION WOULD WOULD'VE BEEN THAT, THAT, UH, 2,500 OR 250,000 SQUARE FACILITY, AND IT WOULD BE TWO STORES OF 500,000.
KYLE, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, SANITARY STEWARD.
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THIS PLAN, BUT GO FORWARD WITH DATA CENTER.WOULD THAT BE SERVICED BY GRAVITY OR, OR WOULD THAT BE LIFT STATIONS FOR THE, FOR, FOR, IF YOU HAD THE NEW DATA CENTER, AND IF IT WERE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN GRAVITY.
EVERYTHING FLOWS TO THE RIVER.
AS YOU GO WEST, THE ELEVATION GOES UP IN TERMS OF BEING SEA LEVEL.
SO OUR, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO HAVE ANY PUMP STATIONS.
WE HAVE A FEW LEFT, BUT WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T DO THOSE NOWADAYS.
AND, AND KYLE, THERE'S ALSO, WE'VE HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WATER SERVICE FROM COLUMBUS GROVE CITY'S AGREEMENT.
IT ALSO HAS BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? YES.
THEY'LL BE ON THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY, THIS, THIS PROJECT HAPPENED PRETTY FAST AND IT DIED PRETTY FAST.
UH, IT, IT CAME FORWARD, UH, I, I WON'T SAY THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLICITY OR A LOT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS.
BUT WE HAD A, WE HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT CAME AND SHARED, YEAH, YES, I'M GONNA SIGN.
THERE WAS NO, THERE WAS NO, BUT IT WASN'T COMMUNITY OR NO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.
AND, AND KEEP IN MIND, THIS IS, THIS WAS ALL THIS HAPPENED.
EVEN, I MEAN, LITERALLY BEFORE EVEN THE FIRST STEP OF THOSE BUBBLES OF WE RECEIVE AN APPLICATION, WE, THIS WAS WAY EARLY.
SO THIS WAS ALSO PRETTY UNIQUE.
WELL, I THINK THERE WAS LANDOWNERS THAT WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS, AND I THINK THAT WAS, CONVERSATIONS WERE THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S HOW EVERYTHING BUBBLES UP.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY A PROPERTY OWNER IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
WHAT NORMALLY WHEN IT BUBBLES UP IS WHEN THE DEVELOPER SENDS LETTERS TO ADJACENT OWNERS, RIGHT.
HEY, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SELLING? AND THEN THAT KIND OF, RIGHT, RIGHT.
THAT'S HOW THE, IT COMES OUT THE GROUND.
BUT AGAIN, THIS BUBBLE, THIS WAS A PROPERTY OWNER THAT STARTED HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY WANTED TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
OR THEY THOUGHT ABOUT CORRECT.
SO WHAT THEY PROPOSED UNDER THIS PRE AGREEMENT WAS A 15 YEAR TAX ABATEMENT WOULD'VE BEEN A POST NINE FOUR, WHICH MEANS YOU HAD TO GET SCHOOL DISTRICT APPROVAL.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SO, SO, UH, THE PERCENTAGE IS CAPPED AT 75% WITHOUT SCHOOL BOARD APPROVAL.
UH, AND THEN FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY WOULD, UH, RECEIVE A 15% PILOT, WHICH IS A PAYMENT LIEBE TAX.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THEY WERE AFTER WAS 85% TAX ABATEMENT, BECAUSE 15% WOULD'VE BEEN REDIRECTED BACK TO THE CITY.
AND WE WOULD USE THAT 15% LIKE WE ALWAYS DO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA WATER SANITARY ROAD.
UM, SO THE DEVELOPER COMMITTED TO THAT 15%, UM, PILOT PAYMENT PLUS ANY SHORTFALL WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BECAUSE WHEN WE ENTER THESE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS WITH CRAS, UH, WE HAVE TO SHARE THE INCOME TAX REVENUES WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SO WE PUT THE BURDEN ON THE, THE DEVELOPER TO CARRY THOSE COSTS IN ADDITION TO THAT 15% PILOT.
AND, AND JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, SO THIS WOULD'VE BEEN OUR FIRST POST 94, CORRECT.
C RCRA, ALL OF OUR OTHER CRAS ARE PRE 90 FOUR'S.
RECENTLY WE APPROVED OUR FIRST POST NINE.
WE NOW, THIS WAS, THIS WOULD'VE, THE PRE 94 USED TO BE ABLE TO IGNORE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, THAT WAS THE BENEFIT OF THAT.
AND WE AS A COMMUNITY, ALWAYS, WE NEVER DID THAT.
WE MADE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOLE, AND FRANKLY, IN SOME CASES, EVEN MORE THAN WHOLE WITH THE DEAL, WE CUT FOR LIKE PINNACLE WITH THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, THESE THINGS, UH, ARE MESSING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S REVENUE.
WE HAVE NEVER ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO WE HAVE ALWAYS STEPPED UP AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS PROJECT DEVELOPER, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHOLE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO.
WELL, IF, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE COMING BACK AND MAKING IT WHOLE ANYWAY, WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE, UH, THE, THE, THE ABATEMENT? THERE'S STILL OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ABATED.
WITHIN THAT TAX BILL, YOU, YOU HAVE COUNTY TOWNSHIP, SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, COLUMBUS STATE ZOO ZOO.
WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE COUNTY.
THE ZOO D'S PART OF THE COUNTY FIRE, FIRE.
TOWNSHIP IN THE, IN THE LIBRARY DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE THAT CAN BE ABATED.
UH, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE LOOKING AT OVERSIZED PONDS TO THE PONDS ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH FLOODING ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
WHEN THEY PUT THE RAILROAD IN BACK IN THE 18 HUNDREDS, THEY REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT THE FLOOD PLANES.
SO, UH, YOU, YOU BASICALLY, UH, CREATED A DAM WITH
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THE RAILROAD.SO THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE LAND FLOODED.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT THE GRAY SHADE OF BOX IS KIND OF ELONGATED.
WE, WE, WE HAVE GOALS OR ASPIRATIONS OF EXTENDING WHOLE ROAD FROM BEATTY ROAD UP TO ROAD CITY ROAD.
SO AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THEY WERE GOING TO DEDICATE 85 FEET UP RIGHT AWAY TO THE CITY.
UH, IN ADDITION TO, THEY MADE A COMMITMENT TO GET IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HELP WITH CAREER PATHWAYS, FOR DATA CENTER TECHNOLOGY TYPE OF JOBS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS THE CRUX OF, OF THAT, OF THAT DEAL, IF YOU WILL.
UH, BUT AGAIN, IT RECEIVED A ZERO FIVE THOUGH FROM COUNCIL.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN A PROPOSED PUD.
UH, BUT, UH, WE NEVER, WE NEVER GOT THAT FAR, THAT BIZARRE.
SO, WHAT, CAN I ASK WHY IT WAS, UM, I WAS GONNA ASK THE SAME THING.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE REASONING, UH, FOR THIS ONE? THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN IN TERMS OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND FOREIGN INTEREST.
IT WASN'T REALLY TIED TO ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS, BUT IT WAS MORE NOT KNOWING WHO THE, THE, THE OPERATOR WOULD BE.
UH, THAT'S HOW I, I RECALL KENNY, STEVEN, AND, AND FRANKLY, IN, IN MANY INSTANCES, WE MAY NEVER KNOW WHO THE OPERATOR IS GOING TO BE.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT, LIKE, END USER.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE END USER, THE USE CASE OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN, SAY THIS PAST, SAY IT KEEPS GOING.
PROPERTY OWNER COULD HAVE SOLD IT.
I MEAN, I THINK, 'CAUSE I THINK OTHER WAYS THAT, UM, IT'S BEING SEEN AS PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T THE DEVELOPERS.
IT'S THE DEVELOPER OR THIRD PARTY COMING IN.
AND AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BY
WE NEVER KNOW HOW IT'S GONNA END.
WE JUST KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BE BUILT THERE.
AND WE CAN CONTROL WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THE REGULATIONS, BUT WHO'S ACTUALLY OPERATING IT, THAT FALLS INTO THE, WE DON'T GET A VOTE CATEGORY.
SO, ANY QUE UH, QUESTIONS ON THIS? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE, TO THE HEADWATERS PROJECT HERE.
IT, BEFORE WE GET TO HEADWATERS, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE THREE BUBBLES, THE GREEN AND THE BLUE, THE LINES? SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S COME UP A LOT, AND THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY PET PEEVES THAT I HAVE TO VENT FOR A SECOND, IS THE QUESTION KEEPS COMING UP.
WELL, AFTER THE ONE IN 2023, WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT STANDARDS IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THIS? AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, FROM JUST A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, REMEMBER ON THE BLUE LINE, WE CAN SAY NO FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER.
NOW, THIS IS NOT A PERMITTED USE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BLUE LINE PERIOD.
HAD WE PUT STANDARDS IN PLACE, NOW WE GO THROUGH THE GREEN LINES WHERE IT'S MUCH HARDER TO SAY NO, BECAUSE IF THEY MEET THE STANDARDS, IT WINS.
SO BY KEEPING IT AS A, NO, IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE.
WE STAY IN THE BLUE WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE DISCRETION IN THE WORLD TO SAY NO.
WHEREAS HAD WE PUT STANDARDS IN PLACE, ONCE AGAIN, NOW WE'RE IN THE GREEN AREAS WHERE IF WE'RE GONNA SAY NO, WE GOTTA BUILD A POINT TO SOMETHING TO SAY NO.
SO EVERYONE'S LIKE, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ANYTHING? YOU PUT US IN A BAD POSITION.
AND THE ANSWER IS, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE BEST POSITION WE POSSIBLY COULD BE.
UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT TO, LIKE.
SO, I'M SORRY I HAD TO VENT THERE BECAUSE I, I READ THAT ON FACEBOOK ALL THE TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
BUT PUTTING STANDARDS IN PLACE IS ONE STEP CLOSER TO YES.
THAN THE NO THAT WE'RE AT NOW.
SO, SORRY, I DON'T APOLOGIZE THAT THAT WAS VERY, THAT WAS GOOD.
AND I, AND I, I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT MISUNDERSTANDING.
UM, IF WE ALREADY SAID NO, AND IT'S IN OUR ZONING, WHY DID HEADWATERS, BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR YES.
THIS IS MY MCDONALD'S EXAMPLE.
EVEN THOUGH THE ANSWER'S NO, AND IT'S NOT PERMITTED, I CAN'T STOP 'EM FROM ASKING FOR IT.
SO THEY GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PLANNING AND ALL, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
UM, GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S STILL ZONED.
SO WHAT WERE WE HOPING TO, THE COUNCILS COUNCIL ESTABLISHES THE ZONING, AND WE HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR CODE WHERE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ISN'T IN OUR CODE, ALL ZONING CODES WORK ON THE PREMISES.
IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, YOU DON'T GET IT.
SO OUR ZONING CODE HAS A PROVISION THAT SAYS IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT A YES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR A YES.
SO WE HAVE A USE APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE GONE THROUGH, WHICH IN ESSENCE IS A ZONING QUESTION.
FOR THE TRAP PARCEL, IT WAS A PREMIUMIZATION AGREEMENT.
SO IT WASN'T EVEN AT THE LEVEL OF A PLUMER DENTAL PLAN.
IT DIDN'T, IT WASN'T REALLY TIED TO ZONING AT ALL.
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WOULD THIS CONCEPT MAKE SENSE IF WE, ANN, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED, SHOT DOWN, CORRECT.NEVER, DIDN'T EVEN GO TO PRELIMINARY.
THE ANSWER WAS NO, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
BASICALLY, IT WAS A STATEMENT SAYING, NO, IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
BUT THEN THIS PROPERTY ITSELF CAME BACK TO BE ANNEXED, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT GOT ANNEXED AS ITS CURRENT USE, LIKE RESIDENTIAL FARMING.
SO IT WAS ANNEX IS RESIDENTIAL.
IT WAS, IT WAS RESIDENTIAL IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO IT COMES IN RESIDENTIAL TO THE CITY, AND IT COMES IN, UM, WITH THE LARGEST LOT SIZE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR BOOKS.
THAT NOBODY BUILDS TO, TO MATCH THEORETICALLY TO MATCH THE LARGE LOT SIZES THAT ARE IN, IN OR HALF LOTS.
SO IT'S IN CITY NOW, BUT IT IS ZONED AS BIG LOTS THAT RESIDE BIG RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENS WITH THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK AND RE OUT IT, BECAUSE NO ONE WILL BUILD SF ONE.
AND I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANT SF ONE, JUST BECAUSE THEY WON'T, BIGGER LOTS MEAN LARGER, LONGER UTILITY LINES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE BIGGER LOTS, WHICH CREATES SOME HIGHER VALUE HOME, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO OFFSET THE COST OF LEASE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE SEWER AND WATER LINES.
IT'S ACTUALLY THAT LOSER IN TERMS OF REVENUES FOR THE CITY.
UH, SO MOVING ON, UH, PROJECT FROM MAPLE, I PUT TOGETHER A GENERALIZED TIMELINE HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO EARLY 2005, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM, UH, HEADWATERS.
AND THEY, THEY LET ME KNOW THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THE AREA, MAINLY BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, SUBSTATION.
SO THEY QUICKLY FOUND SOMEHOW THE TRAP FAILING PARCEL, AND THEN ALSO DECIDED TO START REACHING OUT TO OTHER, UH, SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, SO UNDER THE SECOND OR THIRD BULLET POINT, UH, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, I RECEIVED SOME QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FROM, FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT CHATTER.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY SENT LETTERS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS LOOKING FOR OTHER INTEREST AND PARTIES TO SELL AND TO SELL THEIR LAND.
UH, AND THEN BY AUGUST, I INFORMED THE DEVELOPER THAT I RECEIVED A LUKEWARM RESPONSE BACK FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS I TALKED TO, AGAIN, ON THE LARGER PROJECTS.
I WANT TO KIND OF TAKE THE, UH, LITMUS TEST OF WHERE COUNSEL OUT ON THIS ISSUE.
I DIDN'T RECEIVE A, A GREAT RESPONSE BACK FROM COUNCIL.
SO I WAS LIKE, HEY, DEVELOPER, IF YOU DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, IF YOU WANNA WASTE YOUR TIME, UH, YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN IT.
BUT THEY DID BELIEVE IN THE PROJECT.
SO, UH, I ALSO BEGAN WORKING WITH MHT TO UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THE, THE UTILITIES IN THE AREA.
WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED? UH, I'LL SAY WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
WE WERE NEVER GIVEN A DEFINED BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
WE, WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE ACTIVELY TALKING TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T REALLY REALIZE WHAT THE FINAL SITE WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE UNTIL LATER IN THE PROCESS WITH, WE HAD, WE HAD ASSUMPTIONS WHEN THEY, THEY WOULD TALK TO ME, THEY WOULD REFER TO A NAME.
SO I KIND OF KNEW, OH, THIS MUST BE PART OF IT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE NEVER HAD A TRUE, UH, SENTIMENT WHO'S WILLING TO PARTAKE IN THE PROCESS.
AND AGAIN, KEEP IN MIND, AT THIS TIME, A EP OHIO HAD A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LARGE RUSH TO OHIO ON, ON DATA CENTERS.
AND AP BASICALLY TOLD Q UH, QCO THAT WE, WE CAN'T DO THIS.
THERE'S SO MANY, SO MUCH REQUESTS FOR POWER.
UH, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH POWER TO, TO BE, TO BE GIVEN.
SO, UH, IN 20 23 8, HE ACTUALLY PUT A MORATORIUM ON PROJECTS JUST BECAUSE THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS OF THAT? UM, I'LL GET THERE.
UH, SO WE STARTED DOWN THAT PATH.
YEAH, WE'RE RUNNING, WE STARTED ON THE PATH, IT WASN'T UNTIL LATE 25 THAT THEY RETURNED, RETAINED LEGAL REPRESENTATION BY DON PLANK AND BRY.
SO, UH, RIGHT AROUND THE, THE, THE ELECTION TIME, IT WAS, WAS THIS KIND OF BECOME MORE OF A PROJECT.
TO BE HONEST, EARLY 2025, I WASN'T REALLY ACTIVELY TRYING TO TALK TO THESE GUYS.
THEY WOULD CALL ME, UH, INTERACT WITH 'EM.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GO AWAY FOR MONTHS AT A TIME.
SO I WASN'T ACTIVELY TRYING TO, UH, TO SUPPORT OR DETRACT THEM FROM THIS SITE.
SO IT'S JUST, I KNEW THAT THE P MORATORIUM WAS ON, AND I, I KIND OF KNEW THE SENTIMENT OF COUNSEL.
UH, BUT WHEN THEY, THEY, THEY KEPT ON PERSISTING.
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WE BECAME AWARE OF THEIR INTENT TO FILE AN ORGANIZATION.SO WE STEPPED UP THE PROCESS AND STARTED RANGING MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THEY WERE AT.
UH, AND WE RECEIVED A, A MEUM, THE MOU, AGAIN, THE MEMUM UNDERSTANDING FOR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, BECAUSE WITH DATA CENTERS, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PERMANENT JOBS, BUT THERE'S LOT OF CONSTRUCTION JOBS.
SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT TO THE AREA.
AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME, I RECEIVED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FROM HEADWATERS.
UH, I NEVER RESPONDED BACK TO THEIR COMMENTS.
I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM IN TERMS OF WHAT TO ASK FOR, UH, IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
I ALSO ENGAGED WITH MY PEERS IN TERMS OF HILLIARD.
I CALLED IT THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR IN HILLIARD.
I TALKED TO, UH, JENNIFER CHRYSLER AND ALBAN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY DO IN THIS KIND OF TYPE OF SCENARIO.
UH, YOU, YOU ALWAYS KNOW THAT DATA CENTER IS BRINGING A LOT OF VALUE.
AND WITH THAT, YOU CAN KIND OF UP YOUR ASK IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.
SO WHEN THEY GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS IN PLAY, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE COULD ASK FOR, FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE SAFEGUARDING THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE TRANSPARENT.
WE ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO START HOLDING THE, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT, TO GET THE, THE, THE PROJECT OUT THERE.
ULTIMATELY, THEY, THEY SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
WE NEVER ACTUALLY DID A FORMAL REVIEW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOP PLAN.
UH, THEY MADE A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL, AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, COUNCIL PLACED THAT MORATORIUM ON, ON, ON THE BOOKS.
SO, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UH, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, YOU, WE HAD SOME ONGOING ISSUES THAT WE, WE WERE WORKING THROUGH BEHIND THE SCENES.
UH, I REACHED OUT TO PUC TO UNDERSTAND ELECTRIC, UH, IMPACTS OF THE COST OF THE RESIDENTS.
I WORKED WITH EHT UNDERSTAND THAT THE SANITARY AND WATER CAPACITIES, UH, THIS SITE IS UNIQUE BECAUSE THERE'S A RED LINE GOING THROUGH THE SITE.
ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT LINE IS JACKSON TOWNSHIP.
ON THE WEST SIDE IS PLEASANT TOWNSHIP.
THAT RED LINE ALSO REPRESENTS OUR SERVICE CONTRACT AREA, WHERE THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
SO ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LINE, IT'S IN OUR BY RIGHT CONTRACT AREA.
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT LINE, WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH CITY OF COLUMBUS FOR, FOR IZATION AND WATER CONSUMER SERVICE.
SO THAT'S AN EXTRA LAYER OF PROCESS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE, THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT, UH, VIA THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THE FIBER NETWORK AND THE FRAMEWORK.
UH, WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO LEASE FIBER FROM THE CITY? THE CITY SPENT, WHAT, EIGHT OR 9 MILLION CONSULTANT FIBER LINES? WE WANT TO SEE IF THERE, THERE WOULD BE A, USE A USER OF THAT FIBER OR IF THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN FIBER.
AND AGAIN, THE TRAFFIC STUDY IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
UM, SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE ISSUES WE WERE, WERE LOOKING AT.
UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND TAKING TO PASS IT.
SO WHAT I'M PAST OUT HERE IS ACTUALLY MY EMAIL I SENT TO, UH, MATT SCHILLING AT THE P UCO.
I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE ACTUALLY REALLY STARTED TO ENGAGE WITH THIS DEVELOPER, AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACTS OF, OF, UH, ELECTRICITY.
UH, SO, UH, MS. ANDERSON, WHEN YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE A P MORE, THE AP MM-HMM
THAT ACTUALLY CAME TO A CLOSE IN JULY, 2025.
UH, THE POCO ORDERED A EP TO FILE NEW TARIFFS FOR DATA CENTERS.
SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WENT FROM, FROM BEING A MORATORIUM TO A TARIFF.
THAT TARIFF REQUIRES DATA CENTERS TO PAY FOR 85% OF, OF THE COST TO PULL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AREA.
UH, THEY HAVE TO PAY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, THEIR FULL RATE IN TERMS OF USAGE.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES WHAT I FOUND OUT IS A LOT OF THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT A EP WAS EXPERIENCING GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT A DATA CENTER WOULD COME TO THE, TO THEM REQUEST A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS OF POWER, BUT IT WOULD ONLY USE 50 MEGAWATTS OF POWER.
SO THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO PROVIDE THAT A HUNDRED, BUT IT WAS ONLY, THEY WERE ONLY GET A P WAS GETTING COMPENSATED FOR 50.
SO THE OTHER 50% OF THAT COST WAS KIND OF CARRIED BY THE, THE, THE, THE RATE PAYERS.
SO A DP WENT BACK AND GOT AN ORDER FROM, YEAH.
FROM QCO TO CHANGE THAT STRUCTURE SO THAT THE, THE DATA CENTER PAID, OR THEIR OWN POWER, WHETHER THEY USED IT OR NOT, WHETHER THEY USE IT OR NOT, NOT, THEY PAY 85%, 85% WHAT THEY ASK FOR.
AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ONLY PAY 85%, THAT'S THE MINIMUM FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE DEMAND RATE IS, UH, UH, A CALCULATION OF THEIR PEAK USE IN TERMS OF WATTAGE.
UH, AND SO THAT, THAT, UH, 15% THEN IS GONNA GET CHARGED TO ALL THE, NO,
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NO, IT, IT IS, IT IS THE 85.IT IS KIND OF DETAILED A LITTLE BETTER THAN I CAN EXPLAIN IT IN, IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT EMAIL.
BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT'S JUST A SAFEGUARD.
I THINK EVERYONE, EVERY CLASSIFICATION, WHETHER IT'S DATA CENTER, COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE THIS 85, NOT 85%, BUT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING AT MINIMUM THEY'RE GONNA RECOVER 85%.
SO THEY DON'T, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TO PUT IT ONTO THE RATE PAYERS.
BUT YEAH, 15% WOULD BE, WOULD IT NOT? NO, NO.
THAT'S, THAT'S A DEMAND, WHICH IS PROBABLY, WHICH IS HIGHER THAN THE ACTUAL USAGE.
UH, SO I, I, I PASSED OUT THAT, THAT EMAIL, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
I TOOK THE REST FOR ALL THOSE THAT DON'T, DIDN'T ATTEND TONIGHT.
SO, SO THAT I CAN TAKE THEM TODAY.
WE'LL REFERENCE, DID YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK? OKAY.
AND I, I HAD SEVERAL BACK AND FORTH WITH MATT SHELLING.
HE'S THE, THE GOVERNMENT RELATIONS PERSON WITH PUCO.
UM, SO WITH THIS EMAIL, I REALLY BECAME MORE COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF REALIZING THAT DATA CENTERS DON'T INCREASE THE COST OF POWER TO THE RESIDENTS.
UH, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE GENERATION FEE.
AND IN CENTRAL OHIO, WE'RE GROWING.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A MORE NEED FOR POWER.
BUT IT'S NOT DUE TO A DATA CENTER PROJECT COMMUNITY.
IT'S, IT IS, IT'S DUE TO THE, THE AMOUNT OF POWER NEEDED FOR THIS AREA.
I, I, I JUST KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE VIDEO THAT WE SAW, THAT OHIO IS, IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST, UH, DATA CENTERS, UH, IN THE UNITED STATES.
AND I DO KNOW THAT, UH, OHIO'S GONNA HAVE THE LARGE DATA CENTER IN THE WORLD, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS, THIS INMATE, I HEARD THAT.
I, I, UM, I GUESS I, IT, IT, IT, IT SHARED THAT, THAT THE RATE INCREASE IN THE UNITED STATES WAS 32%.
AND IN OHIO IT'S 50 SOME PERCENT.
NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'M AN EXPERT ON THIS BY ANY STRETCH.
THIS IS WHY, THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, AND AGAIN, AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S TWO OTHER POINTS.
THE AP PROJECT, A EP, IS GOING THROUGH A, A, A REBUILD PROJECT OF DISNEY LINES AND IN GROVE CITY.
SO THAT'S, THAT WON'T BRING MORE CAPACITY.
BUT THE NEXT BULLET POINT IS GRID GROWTH.
THIS IS A, A VENTURE BETWEEN TRANS SOURCE AND FIRST ENERGY, UH, TO BRING A NEW TRANSMISSION LINE FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S SPRINGFIELD OVER TO THIS AREA, NOT FOR OUR USE, BUT FOR THE REGION'S USE IN TERMS OF POWER, BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR, OUR REGION'S GROWING.
SO WE NEED MORE RELIABILITY, WE NEED MORE POWER.
AGAIN, I'M NOT EXPERTS ON THIS, BUT THOSE ARE LINKS FOR YOU.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WAS READING THAT IN OHIO, WE DO NOT GENERATE, OUR OWN AGENCY DOESN'T GENERATE YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
PJM JMJ INDIANA, WELL IS, UH, OHIO.
SO THERE'S 13 REGIONS THAT PRODUCE POWER.
PJM IS ONE OF THOSE REGIONS, AND WE'RE IN THAT 13 STATE GEOGRAPHY.
SO WE, WE, WE, WE GET THAT FROM PJMA GETS A, DOES ALL TRANSMISSION.
IT, IT IS A VERY UNIQUE UTILITY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S INSTANT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU CAN'T STORE ENERGY ANYWHERE YOU IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S IT VERY INTERESTING.
IF YOU GET A CHANCE, I'D SEARCH IT ON YOUTUBE.
I UNDERSTAND A LITTLE MORE BETTER THAN WHAT I CAN EXPLAIN, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY INTERESTING ASPECT.
BUT FROM WHAT I, I ASCERTAINED FROM MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MATT SCHILLING, IT SEEMED LIKE JUST BY HAVING A DATA CENTER COMMITTEE WOULD NOT INCREASE RATES BECAUSE OF INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS WORN BY THE, BY THE DATA CENTER.
UM, SO YOU WANT TO CHANGE SLIDES STUFF? WHAT'S THAT? NOTHING.
UM, SO AGAIN, AGAIN, WE WANT TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE IN TERMS OF WATER AND SANITARY.
WE TALKED TO THE CITY OF COLUMBUS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE A CONTRACT COMMUNITY OF THE CITY OF COLUMBUS.
WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE CAPACITIES, UH, WEREN'T REALLY CONCERNED WITH WATER BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ONLY HAVE AN EIGHT INCH WATER LINE.
SO THAT WOULD NOT BE SUFFICIENT.
WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO BE SOLD, UH, SERVICE FOR A DATA CENTER.
UM, BUT THE WATER IN THAT PART OF THE CITY HAS A LESSER PRESSURE BECAUSE THE ELEVATIONS ARE HIGHER.
SO BY DOING THIS PROJECT, THERE WAS A POTENTIAL THAT WE CAN PULL DOWN A NEW WATER LINE
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FROM THE CORNER OF GROVE CITY ROAD AND HOLT ROAD, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE IN A DIFFERENT PRESSURE DISTRICT, THAT THAT LINE WAS BROUGHT DOWN TO THE DATA CENTER SITE.IT WOULD ALSO GIVE US A CHANCE TO CHANGE SOME PRESSURE VALVES TO INCREASE PRESSURE IN, UH, THE BROOK AREA ON GROVE AREA WHERE THEY'RE EXPERIENCING WATER PRESSURE ISSUES.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO USE DEVELOPMENT TO, TO ANSWER SOME DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES.
SO FROM
SO THAT'S AN 18 INCH WATER LINE WITH THAT WOULD BE, WOULD WE INCREASE THE WATER LINE, I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY, OR WOULD IT STILL 18 INCHES? IT WOULD STILL BE 18 INCHES.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO, I HAVE ANOTHER PRE ARRANGEMENT THAT I'VE GOT TO ATTEND, BUT NEXT ONE.
THE NEXT ONE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, THIS
THE AGENDA'S DONE, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
WE THE, UNTIL THE AGENDA AND, AND KNOWING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE QUANTITY OR CAPACITY OF WATER IN THAT AREA, OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER WAS AIR COLD OR WATER RECIRCULATED.
WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER TO EXPAND ON THIS ONE VIEW.
SO, UH, THEY WENT BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANTED TO USE.
UH, WE DID SOME ANALYSIS AND TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WATER A TYPICAL DEVELOPMENT USES IN THE AREA.
SO WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS AND BECAME PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT A RECIRCULATED DATA CENTER WOULD USE VERSUS AN AIR ONE.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DATA CENTER ONLY NEEDED DOMESTIC WATER AND SEWER.
SO SEEING SOME TOILETS, UH, ONCE THAT, ONCE THAT, UH, SAFE RADIATOR WAS FILLED UP WITH, WITH, UH, COOLANT.
UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS ON WATER ARY? SO PULLING THE, THE WATER DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE OTHER ZONE, USING, BASICALLY CAPITALIZING ON THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY'S, THAT A DEVELOPER'S DOING SOMETHING REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S A DATA CENTER OR NOT, THAT'S JUST A COMMON PRACTICE.
HEY, YEAH, DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING OVER HERE, SO LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND WELL, THERE'S AN ART AND A SCIENCE TOO.
SO THE DEVELOPER SAYS, WE'LL PULL DOWN THIS WATER LINE, UH, AT THIS COST.
MORE THAN LIKELY THE NEXT ASK FOR THE DEVELOPERS ONE BE, WELL, LET'S DO A CRA.
LET'S DO A TIFF SOMEHOW SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN MAKE UP FOR ALL THE BACK END.
SO IT'S, WE NEVER GOT TO THAT POINT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT ONLY WORKS, IS THE CITY WILL PAY FOR OVERSIZING.
BUT THAT LOAN EXTENSION WOULD'VE BEEN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, WHAT WAS MULTI MULTIMILLION MULTIMILLIONS? I, I KNOW THAT THAT WAS LIKE, WHAT IS IT, $20 MILLION OR? YEAH.
WELL, BY THE TIME WE WERE DONE, WE'LL GO INTO SLIDES ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ROADWAY.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE, WE ESTIMATED ASKING THE DEVELOPER WAS LIKE $36 MILLION WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO A A AGAIN, WE NEVER NEGOTIATED ANY FINAL DEALS OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT WAS OUR ASK.
UM, I GUESS I JUST, POTENTIAL VALUE.
WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, IF YOU RECALL.
UH, WITH THAT, WITH THE TRAP PARCEL, WE HAD A SMALL SECTION OF RIGHT OF WAY TO BE, UH, UH, DEDICATED TO THE CITY.
UH, WITH THIS PROJECT, WE WERE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER TO EXTEND A ROAD FROM THAT INTERSECTION TO CONTAIN THE WATER.
SO ROAD, CITY, ROAD AND HOLT, WHERE THAT WATER LINE WAS AT, THEY'D BRING A ROAD STRAIGHT SOUTH TO BEATTY ROAD.
SO WITH THE ROAD WOULD COME, THE WATER, UH, BUT THE SAND AREA HAD TO COME FROM US 62, A HIDDEN, HIDDEN CHASE, OR A DEVELOPER ON 62 CALLED HIDDEN CHASE THAT HAS AN 18 INCH SANITARY MAIN.
WE HAD TO GET THAT SANITARY MAIN FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST.
SO YOU'RE COMING NORTH AND SOUTH WITH A ROAD AND WATER.
YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST WITH A SANITARY TO, TO MAKE, UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT WORK.
SO THERE, THERE'S A LARGE COST IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEVELOPER.
SO I HAVE NO DOUBT WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S NOT UN IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THESE, THIS SITE IS LARGER THAN FUEL PARK.
SO OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
IN TERMS OF WITH MULE PARK AS A 200 ACRE SITE, WE, WE, UH, LAYERED A TIFF ON TOP OF A CRA.
SO A TIFF BE OFF TRACK HERE, BUT THE, THE TIFF CAPTURES AN INCREMENTAL VALUE AS A RESULT OF REAL PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, AND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS 'CAUSE I READ ALL ABOUT TIPS ONLINE AND PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
T DO NOT COST ANYONE ANY MORE MONEY.
OKAY? THE REAL PROPERTY VALUE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT IS THIS, THE TIF VALUE IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER PAYS.
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WE'RE JUST ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT GAP.AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT HELPS US AS A CITY, PAY BACK ALL THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE IN A PROJECT.
WHETHER, WHETHER WATER, SEWER, OR ROADS, I MEAN, I LOVE TOWNSHIPS, BUT WHEN SOMETHING GETS BUILT, WE'RE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT DIFFERENCE FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN PINNACLE.
OH, WE PAY MORE BECAUSE OF THE TIFF.
IT'S LIKE, ACTUALLY YOU PAID THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT.
WE'RE JUST ABLE TO GRAB SOME OF THAT MONEY TO PAY OURSELVES BACK WITHIN PINNACLE THOUGH.
WELL, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT THING.
TIFFS NEVER COST ANYONE A SINGLE PENNY MORE EVER.
REDIRECTION OF YOUR, INSTEAD OF IT ALL GOING TO THE COUNTY, WE'RE JUST ABLE TO GRAB SOME OF IT TO HELP US.
BUT IT IS TAKEN AWAY FROM OTHER, OR RIGHT.
THE REDIRECTION OF, WELL, THEY'RE STILL GETTING PAID BASED ON THE BASE VALUE OF THE LAND.
THEY'RE JUST MISSING OUT ON THE INCREMENTAL INCREASES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GRAB.
BUT EVENTUALLY THE TIFF GOES AWAY AND THEY GET THAT MONEY.
SORRY, THAT'S ONE OF MY PET PEEVES IS EVERYONE'S ALWAYS LIKE, TIFFS COST, YOU KNOW, OR MAKE PEOPLE PAY MORE.
IT'S LIKE THEY ACTUALLY DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE PAY A PENNY ANYMORE.
THE PROPERTY TAX SUPPORTED AGENCIES THAT YOU'RE TAKING THE MONEY AWAY FROM HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE, I'M NOT TAKING, I AM NOT TAKING THE MONEY AWAY FROM THEY'RE GETTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY GOT BEFORE.
BEFORE, BUT NOT THE INCREASE THAT WOULD, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY AFTER THE TIFF RUNS OUT, AFTER IT'S OVER.
WE'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE COMMENTS FROM, BUT THEY HAVE NO MONEY.
IT'S ALL, THIS IS A COMMITTEE MEETING.
YEAH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA.
WE KEEP THE, UH, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THE COMMENTS AND KEEP FOCUSED ON HERE.
UM, BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING A LITTLE, UM, AND WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE LATE AS PART OF, WAIT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER YOU HAVE ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
YOUR SLIDES ARE, UH, SO AGAIN, WHEN WE WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT, WE'RE, I'M LOOKING MORE AT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF IT, LOOKING AT THE, THE COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
HOW'S THAT WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER, HOW TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK FOR EVERYONE.
UH, DASH AND KIM DO A GOOD JOB OF ANALYZING THE ZONING OF IT, AGAIN, TO MAKE SURE THE SAFEGUARDS ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, IN TERMS OF THE ROAD IMPACTS AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I THINK WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF, COVERED A LOT, A LOT OF THAT.
THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE IMPLEMENTED THAT HAVE ZONING STANDARDS FOR DATA CENTERS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO BE PREPARED AS QUESTIONS CAME UP THAT WE WERE AWARE OF WHAT KIND OF STANDARDS WOULD BE REASONABLE TO IMPOSE IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL COMMITMENTS MADE THIS PROJECT.
SO I'VE SAID THAT A COUPLE BACK TO THAT.
DO YOU WANNA, UH, SO I, I, I RECENTLY IN 2025, A PROPERTY TRANSFER TO MADISON COUNTY, UM, IT'S HARD TO READ THE PRINT THERE, BUT IN 24, THAT PROPERTY VALUED $8 MILLION IN 2025.
SO FROM, WENT FROM $8 MILLION TO $81 MILLION.
IT'S A 250 ACRE SITE IN MADISON COUNTY UP AROUND THE DUBLIN AREA.
UM, SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A A IN, IN MY MIND, THIS WILL BE A DATA CENTER PROJECT IN THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS.
UH, YOU DON'T BUY LAND AT 325,000 AN ACRE UNLESS THERE'S A, A BIG ENTITY BEHIND IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, A PROJECT THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW, NOT IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IN THE REGION THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT.
UH, SO BEFORE THE MEETING HERE, I WENT THROUGH AND CALCULATED THE TAXES THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GENERATED HAD THAT 250 ACRES BEEN IN GROVE CITY OR IN OUR AREA.
UH, AND THIS IS A CALCULATION OF LAND VALUE ONLY, NOT NOT IMPROVEMENTS OF THE BUILDING OR ANYTHING.
SO HAD THIS 81 MILLION PROJECT BEEN IN GROVE CITY MORE, MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE THAT THE COUNTY AUDITOR IN MADISON COUNTY WILL, WILL NEXT YEAR APPRAISE THIS AT $81 MILLION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY, WE KNOW YOU $81 MILLION.
WE SAYING IT'S ONLY WORTH EIGHT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THIS PROJECT WAS IN GROVE CITY AT 250 ACRES, AT $81 MILLION, SOUTHWEST CITY SCHOOLS WOULD REALIZE $1.2 BILLION IN, IN, UH, TAXES OFF THE LAND A YEAR WITHOUT ANY BUILDING WITHOUT IMPROVEMENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BECAUSE OF THE, EVEN, EVEN IF THERE'S ABATEMENTS THAT COME LATER AND ALL OF THAT, THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
THIS IS LAND MONEY THEY WOULD GET PERIOD.
SO BEFORE THOUGH IT GOT VALUE POTENTIALLY AT $82 MILLION.
WHAT WERE THEY GETTING BEFORE AT $8 MILLION? THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ON THERE.
THAT IS NOT, IT'S NOT ON THERE.
IT'D BE A, SO LIKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND AM I FREE DOING IT RIGHT? SOUTHWEST 120 GRAND VERSUS 1.2 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO PERSUADE ANYONE WHAT THE THE RIGHT ANSWER IS,
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BUT I I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF WE, WE DID A GOOD JOB ANALYZING ALL THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS, BUT WE SHOULD ALSO ANALYZE SOME POTENTIAL POSITIVES TOO.SO IT, IT IS TO MAKE A, THE BEST DECISION, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES.
THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY WITH THIS SLIDE.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, I, I ADDED WHAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY COULD, COULD REALIZE IN TERMS OF, OF UH, INCOME TAX BASED OFF CONSTRUCTION JOBS FOR THE DURATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION BUILD OUT AND FOR THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL JOBS.
SO ON THE TOP PART OF IT, THE CONSTRUCTION JOBS, TYPICALLY IT TAKES A YEAR TO BUILD A BUILDING.
500 PEOPLE IS A LIGHT NUMBER TO BUILD A BUILDING.
SO YOU APPLY THE ANNUAL AVERAGE OF $75,000 A YEAR OF A CONSTRUCTION JOB, TIMES 500 JOBS.
IT GET YOU A $37 MILLION PAYROLL FOR THAT YEAR.
UH, SO THE CITY WOULD REALIZE $750,000 FROM THAT ONE BUILDING.
SO MULTIPLY, MULTIPLY THAT TIMES SIX BUILDINGS THAT FULL BUILDING OUT THE CITY WOULD REALIZE $20 OF INCOME TAX.
IS THERE ANY, ANY STUDIES DONE THAT ALLOWED YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST OF THAT IS? LIKE I KNOW I'VE, DOWN IN MARIETTA, OHIO, I CALL FROM DEALERS DOWN THERE AND THEY STARTED FRACKING.
TO ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE COMING INTO THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUES, YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT MANY PEOPLE COMING INTO YOUR COMMUNITY TEMPORARILY.
AND THE STRESS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STRESS ON THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD LONG CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER ABOUT.
THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT SHOULD GO PRIOR TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE WE KNOW 500 PEOPLE RUN INTO THAT SITE FOR ONE BUILDING IS A LOT MM-HMM
SO IT, IT IS, IF YOU TALK TO NEW ALBANY, THEY'LL SAY THE SAME THING.
IT'S, IT'S, IT IS COMPLICATED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION BUILD, BUT WHEN THOSE PEOPLE LEAVE, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS BETTER.
SO IT'S, IT IS THERE IS THAT IMPACT SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM THAT NEED TO BE EVALUATED THROUGH THIS PROJECT.
BUT BUT THESE VALUES OR JUST WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION? YEAH.
CONSTRUCTION JOB WOULD END, SAY YEAR SIX.
I, I'M JUST PROVIDING VERY GENERIC TERMS HERE.
SO THE, THE ONGOING OPERATIONAL JOBS WOULD BE IF THERE'S SIX BUILDINGS, 32 JOBS PER BUILDING AT $73,000 A YEAR, IT WOULD GENERATE UH, A 14 MILLION PAYROLL.
SO 280,000 PER YEAR AT AFTER FULL BUILD OUT.
SO IF THE NUMBERS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY OFF, UH, WITH ACTUAL OPERATION, DOES THAT, IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THOUGH JUST THE PERMANENT JOBS THAT ARE WITHIN THE BUILDING ITSELF? JUST ON SITE? YES.
AND SO NOT SORT OF THE OPERATION THAT CORRECT.
WHERE THERE'S BEEN TESTIMONY FOR THE STATE ABOUT THE REFRESHES THAT OCCUR.
THERE'S ANCILLARY SERVICES THAT THEY HAVE.
THIS IS THIS VERY, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS THE, JUST SORT OF THE BASELINE.
QUESTION ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, SORRY.
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS.
SO, UH, IF THERE WAS A TAX ABATEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE 2023 PROJECT, I THINK IT WAS WHAT, 15 YEARS? A HUNDRED PERCENT TAX AGREEMENT? YEAH.
WILL THE NUMBERS CHANGE? NO, THESE ARE FOR LAND ONLY.
YOU CAN ONLY ABATE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON TOP OF THE LAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE LINKS THAT, UM, TAMMY HAD SENT OUT FROM THE SELECT DATA COMMITTEE THAT THE STATE OF OHIO IS DOING IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HEARING.
I MEAN, IT'S 20 SOME HOURS OR MORE OF TESTIMONY.
I HAVE ABOUT 45 MINUTES LEFT
BUT I'LL SAY THAT IT JUST GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF JUST THE PROCESS AND PJMI WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH PJM AND HOW WE GET ELECTRICITY, UM, IN OHIO OR IN GROVE CITY.
I, I THINK THAT ALL OF THAT TESTIMONY THAT REALLY GIVES KIND OF A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF JUST SOME OF THE UNDERLYING MECHANICS OF THE BASICS OF WATER AND ELECTRICITY AND JUST HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT GENERATES.
SO I WOULD, EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, HAS TIME.
I THINK IT'S, IT REALLY HAS PROVIDED THE, THE GOOD FOUNDATION.
UM, AND JUST VERY QUICK ALSO WHEN MENTION THAT I'M, I REACHED BACK OUT TO NEW ALBANY TO SEE IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO GIVE IT REPORT.
I'M TRYING TO ARRANGE DATES TO SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBLE HERE IF YOU WANT.
I'VE BEEN ATTENDING A LOT OF THE, UM, MEETINGS ON DATA CENTERS THROUGH MORSEY AS THE MORSEY, UM, LIAISON TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE JUST WENT, HAD ONE LAST WEEK.
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SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, SOME OF THE VIDEOS I'VE BEEN WATCHING, BUT THEY'VE HAD STARTED THEIR DATA CENTER JOURNEY.'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE REFER TO WHAT'S, WHY IS, WHY ARE THEY ALL ON DATE IN NEW ALBANY? WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT DAY, YOU KNOW, NEW ALBANY, THEY STARTED IN 2010 IS WHAT SHE STATED.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD A, WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
IT WAS ONLY ABOUT AN HOUR AND THEY HAD A TESTING PANEL.
UM, DID THEY HAVE A MASTER PLAN? DID THEY ALREADY HAVE A PLAN TO DRAW DATA CENTERS? AND SO, 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG CAMPUS KIND OF OUTSIDE, NOT IN A BIG RESIDENTIAL AREA OR WHATEVER.
BUT UM, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, THOSE ARE SOME QUESTIONS I WOULD ASK.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY PREPARED FOR IT OR HOW THE CAPTAIN, SHE TESTIFIED AT THE STATE HOUSE AND SHE EXPLAINS THAT IN IF YOU WATCH DID JOB THE, THE DAY THAT SHE'S THERE FOR THAT, THAT PART OF THE VIDEO.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, NO ONE IN THE CITY SIDE OF NDA OR ANY OF THIS EVER.
SO, UH, ALSO ONE THING I DIDN'T TOUCH ON, WHICH WE STILL HAVE CONCERNS WITH IS ON ONSITE POWER GENERATION, UH, YES.
BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE METER, UH, THERE'S A SPECIAL PROCESS IN THE HIGH POWER SIDING BOARD, WHICH IS NOT REALLY SUBJECT TO ZONING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH.
AND, AND I'VE HEARD FROM THE DATA CENTER FOLKS, THEY SAID, OUR CONCERN IS ONCE THE DATA CENTER GOES IN, THEY COULD BRING IN ONE OF THESE POWER THINGS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE OF OHIO.
AND WE WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SAY OR NO VOTE IN THAT PERIOD.
THAT'S CONTROLLED BY THE STATE AND WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
SO UNDER THE, THERE ARE OPTIONS IN HILLIARD FOR EXAMPLE, USES THE MAP, THE BALLOON FUEL CELLS, THE FUEL THE FUEL CELLS.
ONCE THEY BUILD THE DATA CENTER, IF THEY DECIDE TO USE A POWER SOURCE THAT IS AUTHORIZED BY THE STATE SUCH AS THAT, OR THERE'S EVEN, YEAH, IT'S OUTSIDE THE ELECTRIC BILL.
THEY DECIDE TO SELF POWER OR USE SOMETHING TO HELP SUPPLEMENT IT.
THE STATE IS AUTHORIZED CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO USE.
AND I THINK THE ONE I KEEP HEARING ABOUT IS THE NUCLEAR, WHICH I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
BUT ONCE THAT CAN GO IN AND WE WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO, THEY, THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER THE STATE LAW AND WE CAN NEVER CHANGE THAT.
CAN'T WRITE THAT INTO THE ZONING.
WHAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVES OF THEM GENERATING THEIR OWN POWER? WELL, PEOPLE DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT TO THE FUEL CELLS OR NEXT TO NUCLEAR AG NUCLEAR.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT.
HILLIARD, THE BLOOM FUEL CELLS ARE POWERED, I BELIEVE BY NATURAL GAS.
SO THERE'S RELEASE OF CARBON DIOXIDE AT CERTAIN LEVELS OF CONCERNS OF THE AREA RESIDENTS.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NUCLEAR THING.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD IT IN SUBS AND SHIPS IN THE NAVY AND ALL OF OUR SAILORS AREN'T GLOWING.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS IF THE STATE OF OHIO HAS ESTABLISHED THIS.
WE, WHO IS, I GUESS HOW IS IT THAT UM, A DATA CENTER PROPERTY COULD DO IT VERSUS ARE THERE OTHER ENTITIES CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IN GROVE CITY THAT COULD POWER THEMSELVES? GREAT QUESTION.
OH THAT'S A, COULD TOSO GO DO THAT? COULD WALMART DISTRIBUTION CENTER GO DO THAT? LIKE LET'S STOP IT COULD MCDONALD'S MINE WE GO BACK TO MCDONALD'S.
THAT'S A GREAT, EVERYTHING I'VE ALWAYS READ, THIS IS TIED SPECIFICALLY TO DATA CENTERS.
BUT I WILL FIND OUT THE ANSWER BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE LARGE DEPTH OF POWER THEY WANT TO GENERATE.
BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING POTENTIALLY STOPPING A TOSO OR I DON'T WANNA SAY, I SHOULDN'T SAY A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, BUT ANOTHER ENTITY THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED HERE WITH ANY KIND OF ZONING.
THAT I, I'VE ONLY HEARD OF IT IN THE DATA CENTER SETTING.
JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE SUCH NEED, ELECTRIC COST.
IT'S INTERESTING IN VIDEOS THAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE PUSHES IS STAY OFF THE GRID, GENERATE YOUR OWN POWER AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
BUT NOW THERE'S THE PUSHBACK ON SO GENERATES THE ENVIRONMENTAL TYPES.
AND FOR THIS HEADWATER SITE, ONE CONVERSATION WE HAD WAS IF THEY WERE INTERESTED AND THEY SAID IT WAS NOT VIABLE BECAUSE THAT, THAT THAT GAS LINE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PULLED WAS LIKE NINE MILES AWAY.
SO THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT GAS IN THAT AREA AS OF TODAY THAT WOULD ALLOW 'EM TO USE SELF-POWER OR GENERATIONAL POWER ON SITE WELL WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY.
SO IT HILL, YOU'RE JUST DOING ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S MUST PART OF OHIO HOUSE BILL 15, RIGHT? YES.
SO CALL YOUR STATE REPS AND STATE, STATE THAT CHANGE THE STATE LEVEL, BUT THEN THE NATURAL GAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WELL IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY PUSH BEHIND THAT BILL WAS TO WHAT WAS TO GET THEM OFF THE GRID.
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WELL, YEAH.BUT THAT, THAT'S, I THINK THAT THE CONCERN, YEAH.
AND I HEARD IT IN THE TESTIMONY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IS THAT ONCE, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CLEARING A DATA CENTER AND WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET OVER THOSE HURDLES AND THEN YEAR AFTER THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE LIKE, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OWN POWER PLANT BACK HERE AND Y'ALL ARE GONNA END UP WITH MAYBE EMISSIONS THAT YOU HAVE NOT ENCOUNTERED ONE.
SO, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SCARY FOR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, THIS IS OUR AIR AND BROCK MOMENT, RIGHT.
WE'RE ALL GONNA UTILIZE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.
AND, AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT AREA AND YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S PRIME FOR A POWER PLANT.
IF A DATA CENTER GOES IN THERE, I, AND THEN WE CAN'T STOP IT.
SO IDEALLY USE THE METHANE FROM THE
EVERY TIME I SEE THAT BERNIE, IT DOES BOTHER BOTHER ME.
DOESN'T IT JUST SEEM LIKE WHY CAN'T YOU USE IT? IT'S BURNING DOLLAR BILLS.
SORRY, THAT WAS, SO THAT'S ALL WHAT WE HAD.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK THROUGH THE BILL ONM HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT IT'S 101 PAGES.
MAYBE LATER TONIGHT WE'LL SEE COURT OF THE JANUARY.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CCCA, BUT I'M NOT SURE YOU WANNA DO THAT.
SO, UM, LET ME LISTEN, I CAN SUM THIS UP.
AND YOU HAVE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
YOU GUYS ARE TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH STANDARDS, LOOKING AT CRITERIA SUCH AS NOISE, OTHER STUFF.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO TASKED WITH COMING UP WITH A PROCESS OF HOW THESE MAY LOOK GOING FORWARD THROUGH THE CITY.
I WILL TELL YOU THE CCA WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON BOTH OF THOSE.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE CA IS AMENDMENT TO OUR CHARTER.
OUR CONSTITUTION WINS EVERY BATTLE.
WHATEVER COUNCIL APPROVES OR WHATEVER REGULATIONS YOU PUT IN PLACE, THEY CANNOT CONFLICT WITH OUR CONSTITUTION.
SO IF THE CCA IS ENACTED, THOSE REGULATIONS ARE LAW.
IF WE CANNOT VARY FROM THEM, WE CANNOT CHANGE THEM.
WE CANNOT BE IN VIOLATION OF THAT PERIOD.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT DOES SET SOME STANDARDS FOR NOISE LIGHT, ET CETERA.
NOW THERE'S SOME THAT IT DOESN'T SET THAT ARE ON YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
AND IT DOES LAY OUT THE PROCESS FOR DATA CENTERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE SET IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID, YOU COULD NOT CHANGE IT ABSENT US GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS TO ASK TO CHANGE OUR CONSTITUTION AGAIN.
SO THE THE ANSWER, THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS DOES IT IMPACT THIS? YES.
SPECIFICALLY, IT'S HARD TO GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THE CCA DOES NOT ADDRESS THAT YOU STILL COULD RECOMMEND COUNCIL MATIC ACTION IN TERMS OF REGULATIONS AND PROCESS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S LIMITED BECAUSE THE CA IS FAIRLY BROAD AND, AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY BROAD.
'CAUSE I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH BROADER THAN DATA CENTERS.
AND I'M NOT THE ONE SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SO IT, IT IS A, IT IS OUT THERE AND IT WOULD HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THIS COMMITTEE AND AFFECT THE RE OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU COULD MAKE TO COUNSEL.
BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, COUNSEL'S LIMITED BY OUR CONSTITUTION.
THERE'S A BETTER EXPLANATION IN MY MATERIALS.
IT'S JUST SO HARD TO QUANTIFY IT.
IT'S JUST HARD TO, TO TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T DO X, Y, AND Z BECAUSE HONESTLY, I, I'VE SPENT MORE TIME WITH THE CA PROBABLY THAN ANYONE OTHER THAN THE FOLKS WHO DRAFTED IT.
AND I THINK I'M CATCHING UP WITH THEM.
IT'S REALLY HARD TO, IT'S A HARD PROCESS THAT THEY PUT TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND.
AND IT'S, AND THAT'S NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
I, AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO SOUND LIKE A NEGATIVE COMMENT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
IT'S AN, AS YOU'VE LEARNED JUST FROM ZONING AND LAND USE, IT'S UNBELIEVABLY COMPLICATED AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO IT CORRECTLY.
SO IT, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS IS, WHAT THIS IS TOTALLY GOING TO ENCOMPASS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.
BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT VALUE.
SO, SO THEY HAVE A, UM, I SAW A FLOW CHART THAT THEY HAD THAT BASICALLY SAID IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE PROCESS AT ALL EXCEPT RIGHT HERE.
AND IT'S ALL AROUND THAT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
YET I DIDN'T SEE A DEFINITION IN THE CA ABOUT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
WELL, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IS DEFINED AS ANYTHING OVER 50 ACRES.
ANYTHING THAT GENERATES MORE THAN THAT'S OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE CCCA A SAYS.
BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT'S NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
AND SO THERE, THERE, BUT YET I DIDN'T
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SEE ANY DEFINITION IN THE CCC.I'VE READ IT FOUR TIMES THERE.
THERE'S A VERY CLEAR DEFINITION.
HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES ARE DEFINED AS THESE THREE THINGS, PERIOD.
SO, BUT WHAT THEY'RE COMING BACK, WHAT I'M HEARING WHEN I TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CREATED THIS MM-HMM
IS THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING BECAUSE IF IT'S, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR IF IT'S A HOSPITAL PARK OR WHATEVER, THAT EVEN IF IT'S OVER 50 ACRES, IT'S NOT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO, SO THAT'S WHERE THE DEFINITION COMES IN.
AND SEE THIS GOES BACK TO THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE CONSTITUTION WINS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND TWICE ON SUNDAY.
WHATEVER'S IN THE CODE IS IRRELEVANT.
THE CCA VERY CLEARLY SAYS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT IS DEFINED AS ONE OF THESE THREE THINGS.
IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE THREE THINGS, IT IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL UNDER THE CCA.
NOW WHERE IT FITS IN THE ZONING CODE IS A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT FRANKLY IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE ONCE YOU HIT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL IN THE CCA, THEN WE HAVE A PROCESS.
AND, AND THAT, THAT, AND I'VE HAD SEEMS TO BE THE COMMENT, AND LISTEN, COMING BACK TO THAT, MR. MR AND O MR. OMAR AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH PROTECT GROVE CITY.
WE HAVE HAD LITERALLY HOURS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ON THIS.
UM, AND I AND YOU AND YOU HEARD HIM AT COUNCIL ON MONDAY.
AND IT'S, IT IS BROADER THAN DATA CENTERS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOOD OR BAD, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY INTENDED.
SO IT, IT'S VERY BROAD AND LIKE I SAID, IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT FOR THIS COMMITTEE SPECIFICALLY.
'CAUSE DATA CENTERS CLEARLY FALL INTO THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONLY USER IN THE CITY THAT'S EVER GONNA HIT THAT POWER THRESHOLD NUMBER.
I MEAN, EVEN OUR POWER HOGS DON'T COME CLOSE TO THAT.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT KICKS IN, THEN THEY HIT 50 ACRES.
THAT, AND WE, THAT IS A DISCUSS.
AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF COUNCIL, WE ARE CONTINUING TO TALK TO THEM AND TRYING TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS.
AND THOSE ARE POINTS THAT WE HAVE MADE WITH THEM.
AND FRANKLY, UH, LAST NIGHT I SPENT TWO AND A HALF HOURS ON A VIDEO CALL WITH THEM GOING THROUGH VERSION FIVE OF THAT.
YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WERE FOUR MORE VERSIONS AFTER WHAT WE'VE SEEN.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TWEAKING IT AND CHANGING IT TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT.
NOW WE ONLY HAVE VERSION ONE, WHICH IS WHAT GATHER THE SIGNATURES AND WHAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT ALL OF YOU CAN GO READ.
I MEAN, I'M SURE THEY'LL SHARE VERSION FIVE, BUT THAT'S THE ONE NOW THAT WE'RE KIND OF WORKING WITH THEM ON AND TALKING THROUGH.
IF, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A REVISION OF THE CA, YOU KNOW, THROUGH TALKS, CAN IT STILL GO TO THE BALLOT? YES.
BUT IT GOES TO THE BALLOT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS TO GET SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT.
EITHER COUNSEL SENDS IT THERE OR THE PEOPLE GET ENOUGH SIGNATURES, THEY PRESENT IT AND IT GETS SENT TO THE BALLOT.
NOW COUNSEL STILL HAS TO PROVE THAT, BUT IT'S THE SIGNATURES.
SO WHAT COULD HAPPEN THEORETICALLY, IF WE WERE ABLE TO REACH SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE, COUNSEL WOULD THEN SEND THAT TO THE BALLOT AND THE CCA PEOPLE WOULD THEN WITHDRAW THEIRS.
AND THEY'VE ALREADY SAID THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT AND THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
AS LONG AS THERE IS A, WHAT THEY'VE TOLD US VERY CLEARLY, I THINK, AND MR. OER, I DON'T THINK I'M OVERSTEPPING HERE, IS THEY HAVE SAID IF THERE IS A SUBSTITUTE PIECE, THEY WOULD DO THAT.
NOW IT WOULD BE A TIMING THING.
COUNSEL WOULD HAVE TO PASS THEIRS FIRST AND THEN THEN THEY WOULD WITHDRAW IT.
BUT THAT'S, WE STILL HAVE SEPTEMBER 3RD IS THE DEADLINE.
AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK DILIGENTLY.
I'VE BEEN TRADING TEXTS, MR. OMAR AND I ACTUALLY, DURING THIS MEETING WITH THE PROTECT GROVE CITY PEOPLE TRYING TO WORK OUT DETAILS OF POTENTIAL THINGS.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER THAT'S EVER GONNA COME TO FRUITION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I'VE SAID IT TO THEM WHEN I MET WITH THEM LAST NIGHT FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I THINK VERSION FIVE FIXES SOME OF THE ISSUES.
I THINK IT CREATES ANOTHER SET OF ISSUES.
BUT THAT'S HOW ZONING WORKS AND THAT'S HOW, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS, THEY'RE HARD.
SO IT, IT REALLY TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY, WE'VE MADE THE COMMITMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE AND MR. OMAR ON COUNCIL AND FRANKLY THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED, WE HAVE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO TRY.
I THINK THEIR COMMITMENT IS THERE TOO.
AND NO, AND THEY, FROM WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW WHAT, BEFORE COUNCIL ON MONDAY, THEY POSTED THE STORY ON PROTECTOR CITY SAYS, HEY, CAN WE REACH A COMPROMISE? AND WE HAD ALREADY MET WITH THEM ONCE FOR A COUPLE HOURS BEFORE THAT AND TRADED BACK AND FORTH DRAFTS.
WELL, THEY TRADED DRAFTS WITH US.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAVE VOWED TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T, I WOULD NOT MAKE ANY PROMISES AS TO WHETHER IT
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WILL WORK OR NOT.LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY HARD AND I WISH TO GOD WE DID NOT HAVE 14 OR 17 DAYS IN WHICH TO TRY TO DO THIS.
I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME, BUT WE DO NOT.
IF IT'S REVISED, LET'S SAY YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GO WITH THE FIFTH REVISION, COUNSEL HAS TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED, WELL, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.
WELL, THEORETICALLY, ANY CHARTER AMENDMENT HAS TO BE SUBMITTED 60 DAYS BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 4TH.
I GUESS THEORETICALLY THEY COULD RUN OUT TOMORROW WITH VERSION FIVE, WHICH I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY ON VERSION SIX NOW.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE STEVE MADE CHANGES.
THEY COULD THEORETICALLY RUN OUT TOMORROW, GATHER SIGNATURES, BUT FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE THEY'D STILL HAVE TO SEND 'EM TO THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS.
THE BOARD OF ELECTIONS WOULD'VE TO CERTIFY 'EM.
THEY'D HAVE TO SEND THE STUFF BACK TO US.
WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO APPROVE IT.
SO REALISTICALLY, THE ONLY PATH TO CHANGE WHAT THEY HAVE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT WOULD BE OF COUNSEL WOULD INTRODUCE A COMPROMISE THAT'S FOR, THAT'S FOR FOR NOVEMBER.
THEY COULD WITHDRAW AND REDO IT ALL TO GET ON A YEAH.
IS THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS PREDICATED UPON AN ELECTION HAPPENING IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT EASY.
AND IT'S, I MEAN IF ANYONE HAS TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THE CA, IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED DOCUMENT.
I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY THINK VERSION FIVE MIGHT BE MORE COMPLICATED THAN VERSION.
SO I, I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T GIVE YOU COPIES OF THAT IN YOUR PACKETS.
DO YOU ALL HAVE YOU, DO YOU ALL WANT A HARD COPY OF THE PROPOSAL? HAVE IT, IT'S HAVE IT, IT'S 43 PAGES IF YOU, IT'S IT'S, YEAH, ACTUALLY THE VERSION FIVE, WE WENT THROUGH 23 PAGES LAST NIGHT.
WELL, AND IT'S ONLY 43 IF YOU DO THE EXTENDED.
SO WE HAVE THE LAYMAN'S TERMS IN THERE.
AND, AND I WILL SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE MET WITH THE, THE FOUNDERS OF I, I THINK THE PROTECT GROVE CITY GROUP.
AND WE HAVE HAD, THEY'VE BEEN VERY NICE TO WORK WITH.
WE'VE HAD GREAT WORKING CONVERSATIONS.
LIKE I JUST, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT TO BE MADE, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND LIKE I SAID, THE CONVERSATIONS WORKED LAST NIGHT, TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
IT ISN'T ARGUMENTATIVE, IT'S JUST, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
I MEAN THEY, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE THEIR GOAL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN FRANKLY THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS I HAVE JUST FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE SAID THIS DOESN'T WORK.
AND TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEM OR HELP THEM UNDERSTAND HOW ZONING SLASH DEVELOPMENT WORKS.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU GUYS GOT 10 MINUTES OF IT TONIGHT AND YOU'RE THINKING THIS IS REALLY COMPLICATED AND IT IS.
SO, BUT YOU CAN READ MY PRESENTATION, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER GOES IN OUR CONSTITUTION WINS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS IN ANY CHARTER OR EVEN IN THE STATE CONSTITUTION THAT DEAL WITH ZONING AND LAND USE.
THAT'S NOT USUALLY SOMETHING THAT GOES THERE.
UM, I THINK THE ONE, THE ONLY GLA THE BIG EXAMPLE, UH, THAT I CAN THINK OF IS, I BELIEVE WHEN WE FIRST APPROVED THE CASINOS IN THE CONSTITUTION, WE ACTUALLY DID SAY WHERE THEY COULD GO ON CERTAIN LAND.
BUT I CAN'T THINK OF ANY OTHER EXAMPLE WHERE CHARTER PROVISIONS DEAL WITH ZONING TYPE ISSUES.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY THEY DON'T EXIST 'CAUSE THERE'S HUNDREDS OF CHARTER COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, BUT IT'S UNIQUE.
SO DOES THAT SORT OF END YOUR PRESENTATION? THAT'S IT.
YOU FOR TONIGHT? THAT'S, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A RESISTANT NO, THAT ENDS IT.
IT BASICALLY KIND OF GOES, TALKS JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW ZONING, I MEAN ZONING IS GENERAL LEGISLATIVE FUNCTION.
SO THIS JUST CHANGES THAT, WHICH LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN ARGUE GOOD OR BAD, DON'T CARE.
SO FOR NEXT MEETING, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE TIME TO ESTABLISH AN AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS.
UM, IF THIS IS OKAY AND IF IT'S NOT, OKAY, SO EVEN TO TELL ME, BUT I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE HAS, UM, THOUGHTS, IDEAS FOR THE NEXT AGENDA TO EMAIL 'EM TO ME.
SO THAT I, SO THE TWO OF US, YEAH.
SO THAT I KNOW WHAT, YEAH, I PREPARE.
SO WE HAVE THAT AND, AND THIS WAY WE COULD AVOID THE POTENTIAL FOR GROUP EMAIL.
I LOVE GROUP EMAIL IS GOOD, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME BAD, I AM ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE INVITATION, WHICH WE CAN'T DO REPLY TO ALL BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE AN ELECTRONIC MEETING, WHICH WE'RE
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NOT ALLOWED TO DEAL WITH.IT'S THE INVITATION TO REPLY TO ALL.
SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD ASK, UM, SEND THEM TO ME, MICHELLE, UM, AND COPY TAMMY ON WHATEVER WE HAVE.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO LET ME JUST THROW A COUPLE SURE.
DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT TAX ABATEMENT THAT YOU WANT BETTER CLARIFICATION ON? DO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE LEGAL ASPECTS THAT YOU NEED, UH, MR. SMITH TO GO OVER? UM, I THINK
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK, STUDY AND LOOK AT THE PAPERWORK AND THEN CAN MAYBE SUBMIT OUR QUESTIONS AND MAYBE, LIKE YOU SAID, HAVE MORE OF A GROUP DISCUSSION AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO FILL IN SOME GAPS OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND THEN MAYBE FORMULATE OUR PLAN OF WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM HERE.
UM, I THINK THAT WHAT OUR GOAL IS, IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING
SO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION WHO YOU MIGHT WANNA HEAR FROM NEXT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK AT THE NEXT MEETING.
IDEAS OF WHO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO COMMIT.
I THINK THIS WAS REALLY GREAT, THANK YOU TO THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, I KNOW MR. OMAR ALSO HAD SENT OUT JUST AN IDEA, A SUGGESTION, UM, KIND OF THOUGHTS THROUGHOUT THIS TASK FORCE.
YOU KNOW, DO WE WANNA TALK TO, IS IT ENERGY PROVIDERS OR UTILITY PROVIDERS ARE PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES? HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE APPROACHED THESE TYPE OF THINGS? SO, AND I AM GONNA HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU AS TO WHO CAN USE THE OTHER COOL TOOLS IN STATE.
I LOVE TO PAGE 57 IN THE BILL RIGHT NOW, AND I HAVEN'T FOUND IT
UH, OUR ORIGINAL CHARTER PAGE FOUR SAYS THAT WE ARE TO PRESENT INITIAL FINDINGS IN 60 DAYS.
WHEN DID THAT CLOCK START? 7 29.
THAT STARTED AT YOUR FIRST MEETING.
SO IS MY CALCULATION, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SCOOT.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE 9 29 IT TO HAVE INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY, ACCORDING TO THE CHARTER, THAT'S YEAH, ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE, YES.
THAT SORT OF, AND THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF INITIAL FINDINGS.
SO I WAS, THE WAY I INTERPRETED THAT AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE ALMOST ON THE SAME PAGE.
THAT WAS SORT OF OUR INITIAL SORT OF GAME PLAN OF I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, REPORTING BACK TO THEM, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT YES, TIME CLOCKS TOO.
IT'S ON, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE DONE IN SIX DAYS WHERE YOU'RE AT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST AN INITIAL, I THINK OUR COMPLIANCE IS SIX MONTHS OR SO.