* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] READY. OKAY. . [Call to Order] ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, UM, AT, WELL, 6 0 3. UH, AND, UH, TAMMY, IF YOU DO ROLL CALL HELLER. I'M HERE. UH, MS. BENJAMIN? HERE. MR. ROACH? HERE. MR. FLEMING. MR. WILHELM? HERE. MS. SEGAL? HERE. MS. CHESTER? MR. SHEETS? HERE. MR. MCCLURE? HERE. MR. BARRY? HERE. ANDERSON? HERE. BURROWS? HERE. PINGA. HOLT. OMAR. HERE. STERN HERE. OKAY. [Approval of Minutes – 8/19/26] UH, NEXT ON THE AGENDA, UH, TAMMY HAD EMAILED MINUTES OUT FROM THE LAST MEETING. UM, EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE? MM-HMM . UM, THIS, THE ADJOURNMENT WAS, I THINK WE HAD SEVEN 30 OR WAS IT LIKE AN EIGHT 30? EIGHT 30? 'CAUSE I HAD ABOUT 10 TILL EIGHT. CAN WE CALL THAT A TYPO AND I'LL FIX IT? NO. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I . YEAH. IT WASN'T DEAL, IT WAS ABOUT 8, 8 0 5. OKAY. SO, UM, I'LL FIX THAT ON THE SIGNATURE. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. COPY. WELL, IT'S, YEAH. YOU GUYS WERE HERE LATE. YEAH. GOTTA GET PAID FOR OUR TIME. . I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE 7 46 . WHAT DO I HAVE? DO I HAVE SEVEN? UH, IT SAYS SEVEN 30. UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER EIGHT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. FORGET ABOUT 10 AFTER. OKAY. QUARTER AFTER. I'LL CHECK THE, I'LL CHECK THE VIDEO 'CAUSE IT'LL HAVE A DATE STAMP. SO WE, THAT CORRECTED. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY, I MOVE THAT THE MINUTES BE APPROVED IS THE TIME CORRECTION. SECOND, NO COMMENT. IS THAT YOU? THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIED. THANK YOU. [Task Force direction and expected deliverable, including potential impact of CCA] SO THE FIRST ITEM, UH, THAT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, UH, DISCUSSES, UH, TASK FORCE DIRECTION, EXPECTED DELIVERABLES. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION OR TWO REGARDING, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, YOU KNOW, WAS SORT OF PUT, UM, WITH THE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE CCA. UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT SORT OF AFFECT THINGS? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FAIRLY LENGTHY ORDINANCE THAT SETS OUT WHAT OUR, UH, KIND OF OUR ROADMAP OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ACCOMPLISHING. UM, BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, TO NARROW THINGS DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UM, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF A PATH AND, AND MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF OUTCOMES, UM, WE'RE EXPECTING IF WE HAVE ANY AT THIS POINT. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPACT OF THE CCA. UM, MY THOUGHT IS, I HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THIS WITH ANYONE YET, BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT WE JUST HAVE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS IT IS NOW UNDER THE CURRENT CHARTER. WE JUST FOLLOW THE ORDER AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. UM, HERE. IF THE CCA WOULD, WHATEVER VERSION ENDS UP ON THE BALLOT NOVEMBER, SHOULD IT PASS? I MEAN, AT THAT POINT WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT, WE MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE DIRECTIONS AT THAT POINT. COUNSEL COULD POTENTIALLY PASS, I ASSUME, A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE TO GIVE US A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. UM, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'RE OBVIOUSLY IN THE SAME PLACE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD BE NOW. SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WE PAUSE OR CALLED OR KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WE JUST KIND OF KEEP GOING AS WE ARE UNDER THE CURRENT. I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF IT'S A GROUP. IF EVERYBODY'S ON THAT PAGE, WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO AROUND TO WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. OKAY. WELL STARTED WITH YOU. I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE WITH THE TASK FORCE REGARDLESS IF THE CCCA A PASSES, NO MATTER WHAT VERSION IT IS. OKAY. I AGREE. I COULD DISAGREE. I JUST HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO OUR, OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE GOOD AND THE BAD THE OTHER TRUTH IS, AND LOOK AT IT FROM WHAT IT REALLY IS. AND YOU HEAR ALL KINDS OF THINGS OUT THERE. MM-HMM . BUT WE GOTTA DO OUR RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT REALLY IS TRUTH AND WHAT'S NOT SO MUCH THE TRUTH. 'CAUSE THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF AND I THINK PUTTING IN ON THAT, UH, IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO. AT LEAST SHOWING WHAT'S GOOD OR BAD. AND JUST THIS IS FACTUAL INFORMATION VERSUS HEARSAY. I AGREE WITH RON. SAME TYPE. OKAY. DITO. . I WAS KIND OF THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES BECAUSE REALLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY, LIKE THE OLD BEN FRANK ONES TO SHOW THE POSITIVES AND, AND NEGATIVES OF [00:05:01] SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND THAT, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HOPEFULLY WOULD RESPECT IT. I AGREE. I MEAN, JUST KEEP GOING THE PATH UNTIL THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER, THEN YOU DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. NO COMMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, WE'RE DOWN. YEAH. UM, YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD CONCUR WITH, UH, WITH THOSE THOUGHTS AS WELL. WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE, CONTINUE ON, UM, WITH WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, UNTIL, UNTIL NOVEMBER AND THEN WE ADJUST AS NEEDED. YOU KNOW, THE, UH, IF, IF I COULD JUST KIND OF QUICKLY SUMMARIZE WHAT I BELIEVE THE, THE OUTPUT OF THIS, UM, TASK FORCE SHOULD BE. UM, AND ACTUALLY, I THINK I PUT IT IN THE EMAIL THAT I SENT OUT, UH, WHEN WAS THIS? BACK IN, UH, AT THE END OF JULY TO EVERYBODY WHERE I HAD THROWN TOGETHER SOME, UH, SOME OF THE METRICS THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE MEASURED, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS. BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY OPINION, THE TASK FORCE IS, UM, TO COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON, UH, THRESHOLDS AND, UH, STANDARDS THAT, UH, THAT SHOULD BE APPLIED, THAT WOULD BE APPLIED, UH, SHOULD WE EVER DECIDE TO ENTERTAIN A DATA CENTER AND, UH, AND TO, AND, AND TO MAKE ULTIMATELY THE DECISION OR RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL OF WHERE SHOULD THOSE THINGS LIVE? SHOULD THEY LIVE IN CITY CODE? SHOULD THEY LIVE IN THE CHARTER? SHOULD THEY, YOU KNOW, WHERE, HOW, HOW WOULD BE DONE? BUT THE FIRST, FIRST, UH, FIRST THING I, I, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO IS, IS TO LITERALLY JUST GO DOWN THE LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF YOU, WHETHER IT'S EMISSIONS OR WATER CONSUMPTION OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND DETERMINE WHAT IS, OKAY. YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, IF ANYTHING. AND THE OUTPUT OF THIS MIGHT BE, WE DECIDE NOTHING'S ACCEPTABLE AND WE JUST OUTRIGHT MAKE IT A PERMANENT BAN. YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD BE ONE OPTION TOO. I MEAN, IT COULD BE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA LAND AT THIS POINT, UM, UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE RESEARCH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE TASK FORCE WAS PUT TOGETHER AND WHY THE YEAR LONG MORATORIUM WAS PUT IN PLACE WAS THAT WE HAD THE TIME TO, UM, TO GET THERE AND TO COME UP WITH, UH, WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, THAT WE ULTIMATELY, ULTIMATELY BELIEVE IS THAT IS THE RIGHT THING AND THE RIGHT, UH, DIRECTION TO GO. YEAH. AND TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT IS, IT'S NOT ONLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THE STATE HOUSE IN THE WHOLE STATE OF OHIO. SO I THINK IT'S EVER CHANGING THE ENVIRONMENT RE REGARDING DATA CENTERS, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN OUR CODE ANYWAYS. SO AGAIN, THIS TASK FORCE IS TO LOOK AT THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY, UM, TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE FOREVER CHANGING. IT'S A, IT IS A MOVING TARGET AS WE EVALUATE. IT'S, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO EDUCATE OURSELF AND DO ALL THE RESEARCH, BUT THAT COULD ALSO CONTINUE TO CHANGE TO THIS PROCESS. SO IT IS CHALLENGING AND I, I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THIS TASK FORCE BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE. UM, SO YEAH, WE JUST GOTTA KEEP DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION MOVING FORWARD FOR OUR COMMUNITY. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYONE. I'M COMMITTED TO BEING HERE, TO BEING PRESENT FOR THIS TASK FORCE BEYOND NOVEMBER. UM, I WAS PART OF THE VOTE TO SAY YES, WE NEEDED A TASK FORCE TOGETHER FOR A YEAR. UM, AND MAYBE EVEN BEYOND. I, YOU KNOW, WE PUT GUARDRAILS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVEN PAST TASK FORCES HAVE NOT CONTINUED ON. SO I THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO STUDY ALL OF THESE THINGS. 'CAUSE UM, I THINK WE NEED A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT, I, THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T COUNCIL KNOW THAT I TRY TO ENCOURAGE, UH, US TO PUT IT TO THE PEOPLE. I THINK THIS IS BIGGER THAN WE'VE EVER DREAMED OF IT BEING. AND SO I WAS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO HEY, SEEKING TO RULE THE PEOPLE. HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME LITTLE THINGS THAT WERE NOT SHARED ABOUT THE 50 ACRE THING AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS THAT I GUESS I DIDN'T DO MY DUE DILIGENCE IN LOOKING AT, BUT I FELT THIS WAS SUCH A BIG THING, THAT IT WAS A MAJOR DEAL AND PEOPLE WERE MELTING DOWN EVERYWHERE, NOT EVERYWHERE PEOPLE WOULD BEGAN MELTING DOWN. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE JUST SEEK THE WILL OF, OF, OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN YOUR DIFFERENT, UM, PRECINCTS AND SEE WHAT THEY REALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOES, THAT DOES STATE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY, THE, THE GROUP OF, OF, OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND THAT'S WHY I EVEN, I JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A, A RIGHT DIRECTION AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LO AND BEHOLD, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT MY ANTICIPATION WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE. SO I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEMBER, SORRY, . I WOULD JUST SAY, ALAN, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU STATED. I, I MEAN, AS PAST NOVEMBER, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS AND, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THIS IS THE WAY WE MAKE PUBLIC POLICY IN A GROUP SETTING LIKE THIS WITH RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING. AND HOPEFULLY IF THE SYSTEM PLAYS [00:10:01] OUT, UM, THE COMMITTEE COMES UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND PARAMETERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, AND WE CAN WORK AS A COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT THEM. SO IF THE SYSTEM DOES WORK, IF YOU ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN, MAY I ADD SOMETHING AS WELL? OF COURSE. UM, LIKE I SAID, REGARDLESS OF, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THE CA TOMORROW, THERE'S A, UM, ALMOST A STUDENT COUNCIL. THERE'S A SITTING COUNCIL MEETING AND A LOT WILL BE DISCUSSED THERE. AND IF, UH, IT GOES TO THE BALLOT ON NOVEMBER, WE'LL SEE WHAT PEOPLE WANT. HOWEVER, EVEN IF THE CA PASSES OR IF IT DOESN'T PASS, I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A TASK FORCE TO COME UP WITH STRONG CODES AND CHARTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THAT THE NEXT THING THAT COMES ALONG, WE ARE PREPARED FOR IT. UM, BECAUSE THE CCA, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THE CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON WHETHER THEY WANT SOMETHING OR NOT. HOWEVER, NOT ALL OF THE CITIZENS ARE GONNA BE EDUCATED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY, UM, WANT OR VOTE FOR. SO THEREFORE, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A STOP POINT. UM, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS ALLOWED, THIS IS NOT ALLOWED, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN OUR ZONING NOW, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE IT STRONGER THAN JUST SAYING IT'S NOT IN OUR ZONING. I THINK WE HAVE TO PUT DOWN WHATEVER WE DECIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN OUR ZONING BECAUSE, OR WE DECIDED THAT THIS STUFF IS OKAY BECAUSE, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS TASK FORCE ABSOLUTELY HAS TO CONTINUE. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY, WELL MAYBE ONE MORE. YEAH, OF COURSE. THE SAD THING IS WHERE THESE DATA CENTERS ARE, BUT TECHNICALLY THEY'RE NOT IN THE CITY. THE ONLY REASON WHY THE CITY'S INVOLVED IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A POTENTIAL ANNEXATIONS HAPPENING. SO I FEEL BAD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO IT'S REALLY GONNA AFFECT THE MOST, WHO'S RIGHT BESIDE, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUT THERE IN OUR TOWNSHIPS. IT'S IN PLEASANT, IT'S IN IN JACKSON, AND, AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A SAY. AND THAT'S KIND OF, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT IT'S SAD BECAUSE THE REASON WHY THE CITY IS INVOLVED, BECAUSE IS BECAUSE OF THE ANNEXATION. SURE. 'CAUSE THE WATER SEWER MAKES SENSE. INFRASTRUCTURE. RIGHT. MAKES SENSE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE MAKES SENSE. BUT YEAH, WHO AFFECTS THE MOST, I THINK OF IS THE PROPERTIES THAT THEY'RE RIGHT BY SIDE. MM-HMM. WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE OUT IN THE TOWNSHIP. THEY'VE LIVED THERE THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. MY FEELING IS IT'S NOT FAIR TO THOSE PEOPLE TO THROW THIS IN THEIR BACKYARD AND THEY HAVE TO SWALLOW THIS OR SELL THEIR PROPERTY IF IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT. SO THAT'S MY FEELING. SO IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO BRING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION? BECAUSE I KNOW ONCE IT'S ANNEXED INTO GROSS CITY, IT'S A GROSS CITY DECISION. HOW, HOW COULD WE MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT FORGOTTEN THOUGH AS A DISCUSSION IS CONTINUED? NO, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA LET YOU FORGET 'EM. . I, I THINK SO. SO I WILL JUST SHARE PROCESS. WHEN PROPERTY IS, UH, REQUESTED TO BE ANNEXED, THE TOWNSHIP IS NOTIFIED. THEY ARE THE TOWNSHIP THAT IT'S IN IS NOTIFIED. UM, AND THE PETITIONER HAS AN OBLIGATION TO NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SURROUND THE PARCEL REQUESTING TO BE ANNEX. SO THERE IS NOTIFICATION GIVEN THOSE RESIDENTS AND THOSE NEIGHBORS SHOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE. AND I DON'T THINK, UH, OUR COUNSEL HAS EVER TURNED TO ANYBODY AWAY WHEN THEY COME TO SPEAK. UM, THEY, AND THEY CAN ALSO COME AND THEY COULD CONTACT THEIR TOWNSHIP TRUSTEES TO COME TO COUNCIL TO SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF. UM, IN ADDITION, WHEN A REZONING TAKES PLACE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE INSIDE THE CITY OR IN THE TOWNSHIP, EVERY RESIDENT THAT TOUCHES THE PROPERTY REQUESTING REZONING GETS NOTIFICATION. SO THEY ARE MADE AWARE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT PROPERTY GETS USED AND WHEN THAT DISCUSSION IS GONNA TAKE PLACE AT CITY COUNCIL. SO [00:15:01] THERE, THERE ARE ATTEMPTS TO BRING EVERYBODY WHO TOUCHES THOSE GROUND INTO THE CONVERSATION. YES. SO, AND, AND, AND I THINK KYLE EXPLAINED A LOT OF THINGS THAT WHAT HAPPENED, THREE, HAS IT BEEN THREE YEARS AGO, THE RIDGE ROAD, BUT THREE YEARS AGO, 23, APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE BEGINNING. WE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. WE WERE ABLE TO, PEOPLE BACKED OUT. BUT IT, IT, I THINK THE, THE MESSAGE IS FOR US AS A GROUP IS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT EITHER ALLOWS IT AND WHAT IT'S GONNA BE OR IT DOES NOT. AND, UH, THINGS KEEP GETTING KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. SO, AND TO MR. SHEETS, YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT YOUR RESIDENTS AND AN IMPACT ON THAT, EVEN THOUGH WHAT MS. KELLY SAID IS TRUE THERE, DIFFERENT USES HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. AND NOT ONLY THE PROPERTY THAT TOUCHES THEM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE'S, UH, AUDIBLE NOISE FROM THESE DATA CENTERS. MAYBE A PERSON PROPERTY DOESN'T TOUCH THE DATA CENTER PROPERTY, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO LISTEN TO THAT HUM OR WHATEVER. I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WHEN PEOPLE HAVE SPENT THEIR LIFETIME OUT IN THE COUNTRY, THEY MOVED OUT IN THE COUNTRY TO BE IN THE COUNTRY. AND I JUST DON'T FEEL IT'S FAIR THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COMES IN AND CHANGES THE TRANQUILITY THAT THEY'VE BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO. SO I THINK TO THAT POINT, AS WE'RE, AS A TASK FORCE GOING THROUGH, WE NEED TO TAKE ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT. GOOD. THE BAD UGLY. ABSOLUTELY. MADAM CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER. MR. MCCLURE, WE VOTED IT DOWN. THEY DIDN'T BACK OUT. YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH. YOU VOTED YES. IT WAS VOTED DOWN. YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY DID NOT BACK OUT. WE VOTED THEM DOWN THEN. SO IT, THE WORD ON THE STREET IS, UH, OH MY GOD, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE HEADWATERS IS BACK. IS THAT TRUE? ARE THEY'RE BACK TRYING TO GET IT DONE? ANYBODY? SO THE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PHONE CALLS FROM, SO THE WORD ON THE STREET IS EVERYTHING. THE PROPERTY OWNERS, IT HAS BEEN, THEY'VE ADDED ANOTHER 18 MONTHS TO, UH, HAVE THE POSSIBILITY CONTINGENT STILL BUYING. YEAH. CONT YEAH. THANK YOU. WELL, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE NOT BEEN CONTACTED BY ANYBODY. MATTER OF FACT, I'VE DENIED THEIR CALLS PREVIOUSLY, NOT BEFORE THIS ALL HAPPENED. SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT DO YOU AS HEADWATERS? YEAH, I HAVEN'T. HAVE YOU GUYS TALKED TO HIM? I HAVE NOT, NOT I'VE HAD ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH THEM WHATSOEVER. NO. I MEAN, YOU HAVE, I I HAVE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH HEADWATERS. UM, I MEAN, NOT ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT ABOUT THE TASK FORCE. LIKE, INITIALLY WHEN THE MORATORIUM WAS PASSING, THEY WERE WANTING TO KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE GOAL? KINDA LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY MM-HMM . UM, I, I ENCOURAGE 'EM TO SAY UP TO DATE. THEY, UH, AVERY, I BELIEVE HER NAME IS FROM HEADWATERS, SAID THAT SHE HAD CREATED SOME SORT OF TIMELINE FOR THE, THE TASK FORCE. LIKE, UH, THAT SHE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OR USE. I ASKED TO HAVE IT SENT OVER. SHE NEVER SENT IT OVER. AND THAT WAS ABOUT, SO ANYTHING ABOUT, UM, THEM CONTINUING OR, OR EXTENDING THEIR, UH, WHAT WAS THE TERM YOU USED? UH, THE, TO 18 MORE MONTHS. MAYBE HALF THE POSSIBILITY. YEAH. I, I'VE ONLY HEARD THAT ON THE COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVEN'T YET TO SEE ANYTHING FROM THE CITY. RIGHT. SO THERE'S RUMORS OF THAT. YES. RIGHT. AT THIS POINT I, THAT'S THE WORD ALMOST. YEAH. THAT DOESN'T DEAL WITH THE CITY ANYHOW, WHAT A DEAL. THAT A REAL ESTATE DEAL WOULD NOT YEAH. DO ANYTHING WITH US THOUGH. YEAH. HEADWATER HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BUY ANY AND ALL OF THAT PROPERTY MM-HMM . OR ANYTHING, AND NOT TOUCH IT, NOT DO ANYTHING. AND THE SELLERS OF THE PROPERTY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL IT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A CONTINGENCY IN THE CONTRACT THAT SAYS ONLY IF THEY GET APPROVED RIGHT. TO PUT A DATA CENTER THERE, WILL THEY EXERCISE THAT RIGHT. TO BUY. AND I'M SURE THEY'RE PAYING SOME SORT OF A FEE TO ENTITLE THAT OR HANG ON TO THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT 18 MONTHS. 'CAUSE THAT, THAT KEEPS THOSE 11 HOMEOWNERS OR HOWEVER MANY THERE ARE FROM DOING ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT PROPERTY FOR THAT TIME. THEIR HANDS ARE TIED IF THEY'VE ACCEPTED THE PROMISSORY MONEY. UM, RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING SELL. YEAH. I'M SURE IT'S A, A NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAPPY TO ACCEPT IT, BUT THAT'S A THEM PROBLEM. NOT ENOUGH PROBLEM. THAT'S A, THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S TYPICAL. WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A SUBDIVISION OR A STRIP MALL OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO [00:20:01] HEADWATERS HAS NOT OFFICIALLY, UH, COME TO THE CITY TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE. IS THAT TRUE? THE MORATORIUM KEEPS THE CITY FROM ENGAGING WITH HEADWATERS AT ALL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DOES. THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. OKAY. I DIDN'T, OUR LAW DIRECTOR'S NOT HERE. WELL, WE NEED, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. YOU WOULD NEED, SHOULD WE CLARIFY THAT? I'D HEARD THAT, BUT THAT WAS MY INTERPRETATION. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT STEVE. I KNOW. I THINK HE SHOULD BE HERE. WE CAN ALWAYS ASK. BUT I ALSO WOULD LOVE STEVE SOME MORE EXPERTS, UH, COME IN, TALK TO US, KYLE AND THE TEAM. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING IN AT THE WISE MEETING. I FEEL LIKE I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH IN, WAS IT TWO HOURS, TWO AND A HALF HOURS MM-HMM . UM, THAT I HAVE, I DIDN'T LEARN IN MY TIME ON COUNCIL. SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT MORE EXPERTS TO KIND OF HELP TELL US, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE GOODS AND BADS? WHAT, WHAT'S WORKING IN ALBANY? WHAT'S NOT WORKING? UM, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS THAT IT COULD HAVE ON THE CITY LIKE GROVE CITY, AS MUCH AS WE CAN ALL SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT. AND I LOVE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME, SOME PEOPLE IN THE FIELD. IF WHEN YOU, DO YOU HAVE, UM, SPECIFIC AREAS OF OR, AND THE ONLY, WELL, OUR NEIGHBORS. OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, ASHEVILLE'S GOING TO SITUATION RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LEARN FROM THAT. WHATEVER THAT IS. THEY'VE ALREADY COMMITTED. WHAT THEY HAVEN'T COMMITTED, WHAT HAVE THEY LEARNED? IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO LEARN FROM THEM. I GOT TRENTON. TRENTON, THE TRENTON DEAL. YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? MM-HMM . OKAY. THE, UM, I, I ATTENDED THE, UH, MARCEY, UH, UH, SPECIAL MEETING THEY HAD, UH, WITH JODY. AND I TALKED WITH THE GUY FROM A P WHO'S THE, UH, UH, PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. AND HE SAID, AND I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT POSSIBLY ADDRESSING AS US AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS HE MIGHT HAVE. 'CAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES TOO. ELECTRIC, UH, ELECTRICAL, UH, UH, USAGE AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS AND COST AND ALL THAT STUFF. AND HE'S WILLING TO COME ANYTIME. SO IF YOU WANT ME TO GIVE HIM A BUZZ AND SHOW UP AT THE NEXT MEETING, I SAY HE'S AVAILABLE. BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW AP DOESN'T GENERATE, IT DOESN'T GENERATE THE, THE ELECTRICITY. THEY ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ELECTRIC BILL I WENT THROUGH WITH MY WIFE LAST NIGHT, THAT SORT DOUBLED IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. UM, THERE'S A, UH, ELECTRIC ELECTRICITY, UM, CHARGE. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, UM, A TRANSMISSION CHARGE, AND THERE'S THE TRANSMISSION CHARGE ON THERE. AND YOU'VE GOTTA BE A SOOTHSAYER TO FIGURE OUT THE BILL AND HOW THEY DO THAT. UH, SO I, I THINK THAT, AND HE SAID THAT, WHICH WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT OHIO, THE ENTIRE STATE OF OHIO DOES NOT GENERATE ONE KILOWATT OF ENERGY. UH, THEY GET IT FROM OTHER PLACES, AND THEY, UH, BUT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRANSMISSION AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, DELIVERY, BRING IN DELIVERY, DELIVERY COST. SO, UH, AND IF YOU THINK THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE, BECAUSE I LOOK AT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, UM, OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS JUST TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION. 'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH, UM, INCORRECT INFORMATION ON EMAIL AND EVERY POSSIBLE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION WORD ON THE STREET STEP, THE WORD ON THE STREET IS IF YOU LIVE NEXT TO ONE, YOU'LL TURN GREEN AND TURN IT TO PUMPKIN, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW. BUT THAT'S JUST WHAT OCCURS ON EVERY POSSIBLE INSTANCE. AND I THINK THAT WHAT, IN MY OPINION, WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A GROUP IS ANYTHING THAT IS A CONCERN OR WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS, WE NEED TO GET THE EXPERTS TO TELL US THIS IS GONNA AFFECT THIS, THIS IS WHAT OUR SAFEGUARD IS. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU TOLD US THAT IT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT OUR ENERGY, UH, RATES, HOW DO WE GUARANTEE THAT IF IN FACT, THERE IS ONE PUT HERE? UM, I TALKED TO SOMEONE DOWN, AND I, I TRY TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I CAN FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY IN ALABAMA. THERE, UM, IN THE MOBILE AREA, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DATA CENTERS, AND THEY ACTUALLY, UH, HAD EXCESS, UH, CAPACITY, WHICH THEY GAVE TO THE CITY. SO THE RATES WENT DOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO ONE, UH, ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO BE OBJECTIVE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M ON THIS, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, UH, SIX MONTHS AGO. AND I'VE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN TO FIND OUT ABOUT 'EM. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO THE EXPERTS ON, YOU KNOW, WATER USAGE, UH, UTILITY, EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR. AND EVEN IF IT'S A RECYCLED SYSTEM, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER TWO MONTHS WHEN THEY FLUSH IT? WHERE'S THE SLUDGE GOING? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THOSE THINGS? [00:25:01] UH, YOU BROUGHT UP SOUND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A GOOD WAY TO, UH, MONITOR THE SOUND AND THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS? UH, I LIVE IN THE PINNACLE AND BLASTING STARTED AGAIN AT THE, AT THE QUARRIES. SO, AND EVERYBODY SAYS, OH, OUR HOUSES ARE GONNA FALL DOWN AND EVERYTHING. AND, YOU KNOW, SERIOUSLY. YEAH. AND ALL THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND, AND WHAT, WHAT I DID IS THEY CONTACTED THE, UM, OHIO EPA AND THEY PUT SEISMOMETERS IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN THE PINNACLE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN DID A PRESENTATION TO ALL THE RESIDENTS OF WHAT THE LEVEL OF VIBRATION. THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS. THERE'S GROUND VIBRATION, THERE'S AIR VIBRATION, AND EXPLAINED ALL THAT TO THE PEOPLE. SO THEN THERE WERE MAYBE NOT SATISFIED, BUT THEY UNDERSTOOD. AND THE, UM, THE NOISE, THE, UH, UH, VIBRATION WAS WELL BELOW WHAT THE NATIONAL EPA, UH, SAID WAS ACCEPTABLE. BUT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION, BRINGING THE EXPERTS TO TELL US WHAT, WHAT WE COULD DO. AND AT THAT POINT THEN WE, WE CAN ADDRESS ANY SITUATION, SAY, HELP HER DOWN OR WHATEVER. BUT, UH, I THINK OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SORT OF, UM, EEO ENTERTAINING EACH OTHER BY, BY BRINGING UP THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ON THE STREET, FRANKLY, THAT STUFF. ANYWAY, I, I THINK IF, I THINK A GOOD THING TO DO MIGHT BE TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE MAJOR CONCERNS? NOISE IS A CONCERN. WATER IS A CONCERN, ELECTRICITY'S A CONCERN. UM, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC IS A CONCERN. UM, WHAT ELSE? PROPERTY VALUES IS A CONCERN. IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, BILL, WHAT DOES IT DO FOR YOUR PROPERTY VALUE? OKAY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF, SO WE BRING, WE BRING IN A, WELL, WE HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE MR. ROCHER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE BRING IN A REAL ESTATE EXPERT, BRINGING IN ELECTRICAL SUPPLY EXPERT, BRINGING A WATER EXPERT, AND JUST GO THROUGH THOSE THINGS SO THAT WHEN WE MAKE A DECISION, WE CAN SAY, WE SPOKE WITH THE EXPERTS AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH. NOW SHOW, I WOULD THINK ANY OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THIS, PEER COMMUNITIES THAT ALREADY HAVE DATA CENTERS. WHAT, WHAT ARE THEIR REGULATIONS? YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES HILLARD HAVE? WHAT DOES ALBAN HAVE? THAT TYPE OF THING. IT ISN'T WORKING. YOU ASK WITH RESPECT TO THAT ISSUE. THAT IS ONE THING. UM, AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE WORTH DOING. AND WE HAVE, UM, VIDEOS OF ALL OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS JUST GIVEN, UH, TO THE STATE, UM, FOR THEIR DATA CENTER TASK FORCE. THAT WAS EARLIER IN JUNE AND JULY OF THIS YEAR, WHERE THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, A EP, THE DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO EPA, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE LINKS THAT TAMMY SENT TO US, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE WORTH TO, I MEAN, IT'S 20 SOME HOURS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DEVOTE THAT KIND OF TIME IN THIS ROOM POSSIBLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE LOOK AT THE DIRECTOR OF THE OHIO EPA, WE PLAY THAT TO ALREADY HAD TO SAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE FEELS ABOUT THAT. UM, BUT THAT, THOSE ARE, I THINK, SOME PRETTY GOOD RESOURCES. JENNIFER CHRYSLER, WHO WORKS FOR NEW ALBANY, I'M NOT SURE OF HER ROLE. UM, BUT SHE TESTIFIED THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, NEW ALBANY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM HER TESTIMONY IS THEY ARE NOW ASSISTING OTHER CITIES WHO, UM, WHO ARE EMBARKING ON THIS, THAT THEY HAVE THEIR BIRTHDAY TO CENTER IN 2010. UM, SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, I THINK, GOING THROUGH UPS AND DOWNS. UM, I MEAN, SHE WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON, I'M GUESSING. SHE WOULD PROBABLY BE WILLING TO COME AND TALK TO US. UM, YEAH. IF I CAN INTERJECT, I'VE TALKED TO JENNIFER. OH, OKAY. UH, SHE IS, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO, THEIR COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT THEIR STAFF TO TRAVEL OTHER COMMUNITIES. OKAY. SO THERE'S, THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. AND RECENTLY I FOUND OUT THEY STOPPED, THEY STOPPED GETTING TOWARDS AS WELL. OH. OH. YEAH. SO WE MISSED THAT WINDOW. OKAY. UM, SO WE CAN GET ON A BUS AND GO DRIVE AROUND TO HILLIARD, DUBLIN AND NEW ALBANY. BUT I, I'M NOT SURE, OTHER THAN STANDING BY THE FACILITY, WHAT WE WOULD DO, WHAT WE WOULD GATHER. SO I, I CAN STILL, I, I CAN REACH OUT TO JENNIFER AGAIN TO SEE WHAT THEY MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO. RECENTLY THEY POINTED ME TO THEIR, THEIR WEBSITE, THEIR DATA CENTER TOOLKIT, AND, UH, THAT, THAT WAS KIND OF THE EXTENT OF IT. IS THAT AVAILABLE ONLINE? YES. SEND, I CAN SEND THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE PEOPLE. KYLE. KYLE, I'M THROWING KYLE INTO THE BEST. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT MIGHT BE NICE IF KYLE TOOK ALL OF YOU THROUGH IT. YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN AND YOU ALL WENT THROUGH IT TOGETHER, [00:30:01] THAT TOOLBOX. OR MAYBE CAN YOU, JENNIFER, CAN IT DOWN JENNIFER. I WORKED WITH JENNIFER LIKE 20 SOME YEARS AGO. MM-HMM. SO THERE IS, THERE IS SOME, THE RELATIONSHIP THERE THAT CAN KIND OF HOPEFULLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. UM, I JUST THINK SHE'S, THAT HISTORICALLY, SHE'S, THEY REALLY HAVE A HISTORY THERE FOR AS MUCH AS HISTORY WE CAN HAVE WITH DATA CENTERS SINCE THEY'RE NEW , BUT RELATIVELY, UM, IT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THEY SEEM TO HAVE ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNNING PROGRAMS, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTRY ACTUALLY. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SINCE THE STARTED OF THERE. AND SO EV YOU KNOW, NEW ALBANY IS KIND OF A FOCUS. AND I JUST THINK FOR, SHE MIGHT BE A GOOD RESOURCE, SO ANYTHING SHE COULD PROVIDE, BUT SHE DID PROVIDE TESTIMONY. I MEAN, HERS WAS PROBABLY A HALF AN HOUR. I MEAN, WE COULD ALWAYS WATCH THAT ON THE VIDEO IF WE WANT. JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF EXPERTS WE CAN GET IN. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET, YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTOR FROM THE OHIO EPA TO COME IN HERE TO TALK TO US. BUT WE CAN WATCH HIS TESTIMONY AND THEN MAYBE GET SOMEBODY ELSE IF WE WANT TO. I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE FEELS ABOUT THAT. UM, GOOD IDEA, BAD IDEA. I, I THINK IT'S OPEN, JUST KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE. BUT I, I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, I KNOW. SO, SO I'VE BEEN THROUGH, I PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH 30 HOURS OF IT. I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO. SO I STARTED TAGGING THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE NOTES, THE WRITTEN PART MM-HMM . AND SEE WHO ALL SPOKE, EVEN FROM THE, UH, PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS THAT SPOKE. YES. BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE ON THERE THAT WERE REALLY POWERFUL. I, I MADE A NOTE OF ONE GUY THAT I THINK WE ALL SHOULD LISTEN TO. UM, BECAUSE HE WAS, HE HAD STARTED A BREWERY, AND YOU MAY REMEMBER HIM, HE STARTED A BREWERY, BREWERY IN CHINA. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND HE WAS GOOD BECAUSE HE WAS TELLING US THAT THIS IS THE, THE, THE LAND GRAB RIGHT NOW. AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH FEAR BEING CREATED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE LEFT BEHIND. MM-HMM . AND SO HE REALLY BELIEVES THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S DRIVEN BY FEAR. SO HE WAS, HE WAS INTERESTING. BUT, BUT I, I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. GEORGE. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, I LIVE IN PINNACLE TOO. MM-HMM . AND WHEN THE GLASS IN MY CABINET RATTLE AND FALL OVER, I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME. OKAY. SO THE EXPERTS DID NOTHING TO SET MY MIND AT EASE, NOR DID IT SET MY NEIGHBOR'S MIND AT EASE. BECAUSE EVERY TIME I HAVE A CRACK IN MY, IN MY WALLS, IN MY BASEMENT, I START THINKING, YOU KNOW, SETTLING IS ONE THING, BUT TO HAVE THIS, HAVE THESE BOOMS COME ACROSS THERE, THAT LITERALLY STARTLE ME TO THE POINT WHERE I SOMETIMES JUMP AND SCREECH IT IS UNBELIEVABLE. AND NOW WE CAN EVEN HEAR IT OUTSIDE. OKAY. I FEEL LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TOO IS THAT NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY THINK THEY'RE OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE WE DID OUR LITTLE STUDY WASH. OUR HANDS OF IT. RESIDENTS ARE GETTING READY TO COME BACK TO THE HOA AND SAY, WE WANT ANOTHER STUDY. 'CAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US. OH. OR THEY'VE MOVED US. SO, SO, SO, SO, SO I, YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFEND THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU NO, I, I'M TRYING TO DEFEND THAT IS, THAT IS THE SAME FEELING THAT YOU'VE GOT IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO SIMPLY TELLING US THAT THE DECIBELS AREN'T THERE, OR THERE'S NO CARNIVALS IN THE AIR, OR THERE'S NO, UH, CHEMICALS IN THE, IN THE GROUNDWATER ISN'T GOING TO GET RESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY TO BACK OFF WHAT, WHAT I THINK I HEARD. BECAUSE, AND I WILL TELL YOU, AND IT'S A LOT OF TIME TO INVEST. SO I, I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MY BOOK CLUB LAST WEEK BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO READ MY BOOK BECAUSE I WAS LISTENING TO I, WHEN I WALK AND WHEN I'M AT THE GYM, I LISTENED TO THESE TESTIMONIES AND IT, IT IS SUCH A GOOD, GOOD EDUCATION. SO EVEN IF YOU GUYS DON'T WANNA LOOK AT ALL OF IT, MAYBE GO THROUGH THE WRITTEN NOTES, UH, THE, THE WRITTEN AGENDAS AND SEE WHO SPOKE. UM, AND, AND GO TO THAT PARTICULAR, UH, DATA, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VIDEO AND TRY AND SKIP YOUR WAY THROUGH IT. I WILL. AND HAVE MADE NOTES OF CERTAIN ONES AND SAID, OKAY, ON THIS DATE, AT ONE HOUR AND 27 MINUTES, THIS PERSON SPOKE. THEY GO FOR 15 MINUTES. THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION. CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US BY, BY DOING THAT, SEND IT OUT TO THE GROUPS? YEAH, I WILL. AS SOON AS I'M DONE UNLOADING ALL OF IT, I'VE ONLY DONE TWO HOURS. BUT I MEAN, IF YOU GOT, IF YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, THE CHEATING VERSION, I WOULD RATHER. YEAH. SO, SO, SO THE, THE THING THAT, THAT THAT I I, THAT I FELT WAS THAT YOU HAVE, JUST, AS WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU HAVE PERCEPTIONS. RIGHT? AND THE PERCEPTIONS ARE DRIVING HYPERBOLE. AND THE HYPERBOLE THEN IS GETTING OUT THERE. ALRIGHT? THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE BAD ACTORS OUT HERE THAT HAVE DONE THINGS THAT CREATED THIS MISTRUST AND THE DECEPTION. AND THAT [00:35:01] IS DRIVING THIS FEELING THAT THERE'S SO MUCH DECEPTION THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING. RIGHT. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE HYPERBOLE AND THE DECEPTION IS THE TRUTH. ABSOLUTELY. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HAS FOUND THE TRUTH YET. AND PART OF THE TRUTH CAN'T BE FOUND BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, OUTCOMES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE. I THINK THAT THEY DID A GREAT JOB AT THE STATE COMMITTEE. AND IF YOU JUST LISTENED TO THE FIRST FOUR HOURS, THE JUNE OR 5 27, UH, VIDEO, IT'S FOUR HOURS. BUT THAT'S THE EXPERTS THAT WE'RE TALKING, TALKING ABOUT. IF EVERYBODY WOULD LISTEN TO THAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IS ALL OF THE EXPERTS TELLING YOU THERE'S NO THERE, THERE. SURE. OKAY. BUT THEN THE NEXT MEETING SOMETHING LIKE 40 CITIZENS SHOWED UP AND SAID, WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU. SO WE CAN TELL THIS COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO THERE, THERE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER, OTHER THAN WE'RE GONNA, WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE EXPERTS AND THEY CHOOSE NOT TO. THAT'S, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO, BUT THEN THERE'S THE OTHER THING WHERE PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT TO IT. AND THAT, AND THAT'S FINE TOO. THAT'S, THOSE ARE VALID ARGUMENTS. A HUNDRED PERCENT VALID ARGUMENTS. A HUNDRED PERCENT. AND, AND, AND THE FARMLAND. SO I WORKED FOR JOHN DEERE FOR 41 YEARS, SO THE FARMLAND'S A REALLY BIG DEAL TO ME. SURE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SELLING THEIR PROPERTY, INSTEAD OF MAKING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ARE MAKING $8 MILLION. ALRIGHT? SO THEY'RE WANTING TO SELL, YOU'VE GOT PRIME FARMLAND MM-HMM . THAT IS BEING SOLD MM-HMM . BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FARMERS OUT THERE THAT CAN'T COMPETE ANYMORE. AND SO THEY'LL, THEY HAVE TWO CHOICES. THEY CAN SELL TO A DATA CENTER AND GET MILLIONS, OR THEY CAN SELL TO THEIR NEIGHBOR WHO IS RUNNING A LARGE, YOU KNOW, FARMING BUSINESS, A MEGA FARM. AND NOW HE, HE JUST GETS ACQUIRED, WELL, WHERE AM I GONNA GO? THIS IS MY FAMILY'S WHERE LEGACY. RIGHT. WHERE AM I GONNA GO THAT PRIME FARMLAND? AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING THEN IS WHAT'S BEING, WHAT'S LEFT? 'CAUSE WE, WE LOST LIKE A MILLION ACRES OF FARMLAND IN OHIO LAST YEAR. SO THE, THE NOT ALL OF IT WAS PRIME. BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE FARMERS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE ARE FARMING ON NON-PRIME LAND. AND THEREFORE THAT SOIL ISN'T AS GOOD. THE WATER SYSTEM ISN'T AS GOOD. AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH SO MANY CHANGES THAT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE IRRIGATION IN THE STATE OF OHIO. WE DON'T IRRIGATE, WE DON'T HAVE TO. MOTHER NATURE GIVES US EVERYTHING WE NEED. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING TO GO THROUGH CLIMATE CHANGES, WHICH BY THE WAY, IF WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT COMES FROM THE POWER THAT IS GONNA BE USED TO DRIVE THESE DATA CENTERS, PUTTING PARTICLES IN THE AIR THAT ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY ADD TO CLIMATE, UH, CHANGE. NOW WE JUST PUT OURSELVES, WE'RE, WE ARE SORT OF LIKE THE MIDWEST FARM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HEART OF THE MIDWEST IN FARMING. AND WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THOSE FARMERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO IRRIGATE. AND THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD DO IT IS PULL THAT FROM THE AQUIFERS THAT ARE DOWN THERE. AND IF WE'VE GOT A DATA CENTER HIT SITTING HERE PULLING FROM THAT AQUAPHOR, AND WE'VE GOT A, A FARMER PULLING OVER HERE, EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'LL BE OVERUSED. SO WE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT THIS TOUCHES THAT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IT'S, YES, THEY DON'T WANNA LOOK AT IT, BUT THEY, WE ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO OUR FOOD SUPPLY. OKAY. WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO TO THE STATE OF OHIO WHEN WE'RE NO LONGER THE HEARTLAND RIGHT. OF THE MIDWEST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FARMING, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SURVIVE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED WITH THE WATER THAT WE NEED. WELL, FARMING HASN'T BECOME PROFITABLE IN THE LAST 15 YEARS. SO IT'S IT WELL, YEAH. TO THE, TO THE LARGE GUYS. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE BIGGER YOU ARE THEN THE MORE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES YOU GET AND, AND TAX BREAKS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO, SO THEN THAT'S A, THAT'S A MERGERS AND ACQUISITION THING THAT, THAT, THAT'S BEEN DRIVEN FOR A LONG TIME. BUT, BUT I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT, THAT OUR GOAL HAS TO BE TO GET TO AS MUCH OF A TRUTH AS WE, AS WE CAN. AND I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES TO TRY AND FIND A FACILITY THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT HAS THEIR OWN POWER SOURCE. BECAUSE I THINK UNTIL WE SEE THAT, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO LIKE YOU MEAN LIKE THE BEHIND THE METER? YES. BEHIND THE METER POWER SOURCE. BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST FEARS. THAT'S THAT, THAT'S THE FEAR. SURE. AND THAT'S DRIVING A LOT OF THE EMOTIONAL STUFF RIGHT NOW. BUT THEN I, I, I, SO I DO WONDER, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK TO WHO WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SPEAK AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IF WE, I'M JUST KIND OF GOING BY MODELING AFTER THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAD [00:40:01] TESTIMONY IN MARCH. UM, AND THEN THE STATE HEARINGS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, MAY 27TH, THEY HAD, UM, JM WAS THERE, GAVE TESTIMONY THAT DAY. UH, THE OHIO CONSUMERS COUNCIL, THE DIRECTOR OF THE EPA AND THE DIRECTOR OF ODNR. UM, AND THAT'S ADDITION TO OTHER FACILITIES YOU HAD, UH, THEY DID A DAY ON JUNE 1ST WHERE IT WAS ONLY MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THEY HAD A DAY ON JUNE 4TH WHERE IT WAS DATA CENTERS. IT WAS THE BIG FOUR. IT WAS META GOOGLE, MICROSOFT AND AMAZON, UM, SPOKE ON THAT DAY. AND THEN ON JUNE 8TH, THEY DID, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND, AND OTHER GROUPS, UM, SUCH AS JENNIFER CHRYSLER WAS THERE FROM NEW ALBANY. UH, THEY HAD A COUPLE UNION, UH, GROUPS, THE TRADES GROUPS, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED. THE TRADE FARM BUREAU, THE UNIONS, YEAH. FARM BUREAU WAS THERE. UM, THE, THE TRADES ARE, ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS, UM, AS WELL. UM, SO YOU KNOW, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, MAYBE, IF WE WANNA START PUTTING A LITTLE LIST TOGETHER AND, AND TRY TO WATCH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO SOME OF THIS TESTIMONY TO ACTUALLY PLACE SOME OF IT TO SEE IT, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL OR IF YOU WANT TO JUST REACH OUT, UM, MR. HELEY, PRESIDENT MORRISEY. I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THAT PERSON TOO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE PREFER AS FAR AS IN PERSON OR SEEING SOME OF THIS, BUT I, I THINK WE DO NEED TO START HEARING. AND IS THERE A PREFERENCE ON HOW WE DO THAT? I THINK START TO BUILD A LIST. OKAY. AND WE CAN WORK FROM THAT. I, I THINK THAT VERY FIRST ONE IS A GOOD ONE. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE EXPERTS, RIGHT? THE MAY 27TH. YEAH. THAT, THAT ONE IS KEY. IT'S FOUR HOURS. IT'S A LOT. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, IT IS GOOD. AND IT, IT GIVES YOU A REALLY GOOD BACKGROUND LISTENING TO THEM. AND SO, SO THIS IS THE EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER I WENT THROUGH, WHICH IS WHY I SAY THIS IS AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE AS WELL. AND WE HAVE TO, AND THAT'S A PERCEPTION ISSUE. I LISTENED TO THAT AND I WAS LIKE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO HARM. WHY WOULDN'T WE DO THIS? BECAUSE I ALSO KNOW FINANCIALLY, 'CAUSE THAT'S MY BACKGROUND. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD DEAL FOR OUR CITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD THINGS THAT WILL COME OUT OF IT FROM A, FROM A DOLLARS AND CENTS STANDPOINT. OKAY? NOTHING ELSE. JUST THE DOLLARS AND CENTS OF IT. BY THE TIME I LISTENED TO 30 OR 40 PEOPLE SPEAK MM-HMM . I WAS LIKE, HOW DARE THEY ? HOW DARE THEY THINK OF PUTTING THIS NEAR ANYBODY? THIS IS AWFUL. SO, SO THEN YOU GET PULLED INTO THAT AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE. THERE'S, THERE'S A HUMAN SIDE OF THIS. AND I HAD SAID SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY EARLIER LAST WEEK, THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ADDRESSING COSTS AND HOW THEY'RE GOING, THEY, THEY CONVINCED ME THAT THEY'RE GONNA PROTECT THE CONSUMER, RIGHT? THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE THOSE COSTS COME TO US. IT'S, WE'RE GONNA BE PROTECTED FROM THAT. I, I FELT PRETTY, PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WHAT I FOUND, LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING. AND IF WE TAKE TIME THEN TO HAVE A SESSION WITH, WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND LET THEM COME IN AND TALK. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT COST. IT'S ABOUT IMPACT. IMPACT ON QUALITY OF LIFE, IMPACT ON OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURES, IMPACT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S ABOUT IMPACT, NOT COST. AND WE'VE SPENT SO MUCH TIME BECAUSE IT, WHEN WE FIRST GOT INTO THIS, THAT WAS WHAT RAISED THE, THE, THE RED FLAG, RIGHT? SURE. MM-HMM . THAT, THAT RAISED THE RED FLAG. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S LIKE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, WHY ARE MY UTILITY BILLS SO HIGH? THAT WAS THE FIRST, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 21 YEARS, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN PEOPLE GOT THIS RED FLAG UP BECAUSE IT FINALLY HIT SOMETHING THAT MADE 'EM SAY, WHOA. PLUS IN A YEAR, WE'VE HAD WHAT, 89 OR 90 NEW DATA CENTERS PROPOSED. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU JUST GOT THIS INFLUX AND NOW EVERYBODY'S GOING LIKE, WHOA, LET'S BACK THIS THING UP. LET'S STOP THE PRESS. SO, SO I DO THINK THAT FIRST ONE IS REALLY HELPFUL IN US UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSING THE COST AND THE BEHIND THE METER STUFF AND ALL THAT. I THINK THAT'S OUTSTANDING AND A GREAT PLACE TO START. SO CAN WE FIND A PLACE TO GO TO SEE THAT? I MEAN, KYLE, WE CAN'T, IS THERE ANY PLACE WE CAN GO TO SEE, AND NOT, NOT NEW ALBANY, NOT TO BE ON THE SITE, BUT TO BE ADJACENT TO THE SITE? MORE THAN LIKELY. YEAH. SEE THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WAS NEW ALBANY THE ONLY PLACE THAT EVER OFFERED TOUR AT LIKE HILLARD, WE CAN'T VISIT. SO I PRINTED OUT A LIST OF ALL OF THE CURRENT DATA CENTERS MM-HMM . UM, I COULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THIS LIST AND, AND LOOK, THEY'VE GOT THE LARGEST PLANNED ONES. UM, BUT WE'VE GOT, IT'S SHOWING, THIS IS SHOWING THAT THERE ARE 71 OPERATING DATA CENTERS AND THERE'S 132 PLANNED CENTERS THAT, THAT EQUALS OUR 204. SO OF THE 71, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE DOING THEIR OWN THING? [00:45:01] NOW THEY MAY HAVE A VIRTUAL POWER PLANT, SO A VPP HAS, HAS BEEN, THEY THEY DOING, DOING THAT VIRTUALLY. UH, THEY MAY HAVE SOLAR, THEY MAY HAVE WIND, BUT, BUT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD FOR US TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. RIGHT. BUT FROM WHAT I'M HEARING THOUGH, IS I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO, I CAN REACH OUT, BUT I REALLY DON'T. I YEAH, WE CAN TRY, WE CAN REACH, REACH OUT. WHO DO YOU WANT US TO REACH OUT TO? GIVE US, GIVE US COMPANIES OR GIVE US A AL LIST AND WE'LL GUESS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN FOR, WE CAN REACH OUT TO LIKE AN AMAZON OR TO FACEBOOK OR TAKE CERTAIN, WELL SEE WHAT AVENUES WE MIGHT HAVE IN TERMS OF KNOWING SOMEONE. RIGHT. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING TOO IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SECURITY THAT SURROUNDS THESE FACILITIES. SO IF I COULD REACH OUT TO A DAVID MEADOWS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THESE ARE HIGHLY SECURE, UM, FACILITIES, SO YEAH. I DON'T THINK THEY, SO I, I CAN REACH OUT TO LIKE A DAVID MEADOWS WHO'S THE DIRECTOR, AND HILLIARD, IF HE HAS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A DATA CENTER, THAT MIGHT BE AN AVENUE TO ALLOW US SOME ACCESS. MM-HMM . SO I, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANY OF THOSE AVENUES AVAILABLE TO US. I'M NOT EVEN SURE. WE HAVE TO BE INSIDE. WE CAN WALK AROUND THE GROUNDS OUTSIDE, SHOW US WHAT'S OUT THERE. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR WE OUGHT MEAN. BECAUSE WE TRIED TO GET RIGHT. WE, WE DROVE ALL AROUND THE HILLIARD ONE AND THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN GET CLOSE TO IT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH RESIDENTIAL AROUND IT, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET CLOSE TO IT. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . THERE, THERE IS THAT ONE. THEY'VE GOT A WALKING PATH THAT GOES RIGHT BESIDE IT. OH, DO THEY GOES RIGHT. OKAY. RIGHT BEHIND THE HOUSES. IS THAT THE ONE WE WENT RIGHT UP NEXT TO THE DATA CENTER? YOU KNOW WHAT? GO OFF OF WHICH ROAD? WE CAN FIND THAT. WE CAN FIND THAT. [Define what data centers are] THIS KIND OF GOES TO THE POINT THOUGH, THAT WAS THE, AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT DATA CENTERS ARE, BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, ISSUE AND THAT SOME ARE SMALLER AND SOME ARE EXTREMELY LARGE. SO HYPERSCALE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE SCALE VERSION. AND THERE'S SMALLER ONES. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT JUST AI, THEY'RE DATA STORAGE, CLOUD STORAGE, THEY'RE BITCOIN MINING, WHICH I DON'T QUITE FULLY GRASP, BUT I'M GLAD I ABOUT TWICE AND I SAID, I STILL HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT'S TALKING ABOUT. SO AS WE EMBARK ON THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER, WOULD IT DO US ANY GOOD? WOULD IT DO GOOD TO PUT A SURVEY OUR COMMUNITY FIRST AND ASK THESE KIND OF, 'CAUSE MAYBE PEOPLE AREN'T AGAINST SOMETHING SMALLER VERSUS SOMETHING BIG. BUT I THINK BEFORE WE TO THAT WE NEED A DEFINITION OF WHAT A DATA CENTER IS. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT IS. THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT SMALLER ONE. SO, BUT WE NEED TO HEAR WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. YES. IF WE SURVEY, I'M JUST GONNA SAY A GOOD PLACE TO START IS THE DEFINITION THAT WE PUT IN THE MORATORIUM MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WHY DON'T WE START WITH THAT SECTION ONE. MM-HMM . AND, AND WHAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM THESE EXPERTS ON THAT FIRST TAKE, AND I'M CINDY I'M SURE YOU PICKED UP ON THIS, IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS IF IN THE STATE OF OHIO WE DO NOT HAVE A CUSTOMER, WE DO NOT HAVE A CUSTOMER CLASS FOR DATA CENTERS. SO THEY'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE MAYBE THEY SAT IN LARGE INDUSTRY OR MAYBE THEY SAT IN WAREHOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THESE, THESE LARGE FACILITIES NOW ARE IN A CLASS THEIR OWN. AND YOU REALLY DON'T NEED TO WORRY UNTIL YOU GET TO THAT CLASS. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CUSTOMER CLASS. OUR WATER LAWS DO NOT IDENTIFY CUSTOMER CLASS. THE ELECTRIC AND THE, AND THE POWER DOESN'T IDENTIFY CUSTOMER CLASS. SO THEY HAD TO ACTUALLY CREATE THEIR OWN CLASSES THERE. BUT THE STATE OF OHIO DOESN'T HAVE THAT, WHICH KIND OF LEAVES YOU OPEN TO THAT EXPOSURE OF LEGALLY CAN WE JUST PIN OUR OWN CUSTOMER CLASS AND SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'RE BIGGER THAN THIS, WE'RE GONNA CALL YOU A MEGA DATA CENTER. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASS, ZONING'S DIFFERENT, EVERYTHING'S DIFFERENT. AND JUST WISH THE STATE WOULD COME WITH SOME KIND OF A CLASS SO THAT WE COULD JUST TAKE THAT ZONING. RIGHT? AND I DO THINK THAT IS WHAT THE PUCO IS ACTUALLY GRAPPLING WITH RIGHT NOW AND WHAT TO DO WITH RATES. I MEAN, THEY ALREADY, THEY PASSED THE, UM, DATA CENTER TARIFFS THAT, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK OR LAST MEETING. UM, AND THAT IS WHAT THE P-U-C-O-I THINK IS GRAPPLING WITH RIGHT NOW. AND SHOULD HYPERSCALE OR SHOULD DATA CENTER, SHOULD THEY BE A SEPARATE CLASS FOR, UM, ENERGY CONSUMPTION? UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS PAST YEAR, UM, ACCORDING TO PJM, UM, AND OHIO, A EP, UM, WITH RESPECT TO RATES AND COST SHIFTING. I MEAN, THEY, THEY USED TO HAVE FLAT RATES AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO USAGE RATES AND, AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO, TO MODIFY, UM, AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. BUT, UM, SO IF, UM, ALAN, YOU MENTIONED STARTING WITH THE DEFINITION OF DATA CENTERS. DO YOU WANNA SORT OF EXPAND ON THAT JUST TO MAKE, UH, WITHIN THE ORDINANCE AND [00:50:01] JUST KIND OF, KIND OF TACKLE WHAT THAT SECOND TOPIC IS? SO, OR I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, UM, ARE WE WAITING TO MAKE A LIST AND MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT SUBJECT IN YOUR AGENDA? UM, I'M KIND OF, UH, I WAS GONNA KIND OF TAKE SOME NOTES BECAUSE YEAH, THE, THE LIST WAS SORT OF THE KIND OF THREE, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GOT, NOW WE KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY GONNA VISIT, BUT, UM, I WAS GONNA TAKE SOME NOTES ON THAT WHILE WE MOVE ON TO THE DEFINITION AND LOOK THROUGH MY NOTES AND PROPOSE SOME THINGS LIKE WE DID. THANK YOU. IF TESTIMONY IS A GOOD IDEA TO WATCH, UM, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO THAT IN HERE, TAMMY. IF WE HAVE A LAPTOP, CAN IT BE PLAYED SOMEWHERE? YES. FOR EVERYONE. LUNCH MAYBE ON THAT, CAN EVERYBODY COMMIT TO DOING THE THIS FIRST FOUR HOURS? I WAS GONNA SAY ON THEIR OWN. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. I WOULD, AND THEN WE CAN DO SET DO OTHER HOMEWORK, BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, FOOTNOTES. YEAH. AND, AND THE ONLY ADVICE THAT I WOULD GIVE YOU IS, YOU KNOW, I DO IT WHEN I'M AT THE GYM. I DO IT WHEN I'M WALKING AND THEN I, I GET HOME AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHERE WAS THAT? YOU KNOW? SO DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND COMMIT TO IT IN BIKES AND, AND, AND MAKE NOTES AS YOU GO. AND THEN TAG WHERE THAT PERSON IS SO THAT YOU CAN, BECAUSE IT IS, I, I TRIED DOWNLOADING ALL OF THIS AND I, I'M NOT VERY TECH SAVVY. SO IF I STARTED ALL OVER, IF I, IF I STOPPED IT, IT STARTED ALL OVER AGAIN. I HAD TO KNOW WHERE I WAS. SO I'M SCREEN, YOU KNOW, SCREEN PRINTING SO THAT I KNOW WHERE I AM AND EVERYTHING. SO THE SIT DOWN WITH, WITH A NOTEPAD, I, I WILL TELL YOU IT'LL REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HELP YOU. IT WILL EDUCATE ME A LOT. SO, SCARLET, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? MM-HMM . AND ALL OF YOU'RE WATCHING, WHICH I'M REALLY IMPRESSED THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT OR LISTENING. YEAH. DID ANYONE DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A DATA CENTER IS DECOMMISSIONED? SO THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE, UM, AND, AND IT IS ACTUALLY IN OUR, IN OUR CHARTER AND WHAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO IS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THEY DID, THE VERY FIRST ONE TALKS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THESE COMPANIES AS PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT ARE COMING IN AND SAYING, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S RESTITUTION. RIGHT? AND SO YES, RESTITUTION IS DISCUSSED. UM, ALSO DISCUSSED WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE ABANDONED. AND OF COURSE, AT THIS POINT THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? IT MAY ONE OF THESE DAYS, BUT IT MAY BE, LOOK, WHEN MANUFACTURING, WHEN WE WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF, OF MANUFACTURING, RIGHT? WE NEVER KNEW MANUFACTURING WAS GONNA ABANDON US THE WAY IT DID, RIGHT? MM-HMM . UM, AND SO I THINK THERE, THAT'S WHERE THE BEGINNING OF THAT CYCLE, AND WE, YOU AND I MAY NOT BE ALIVE WHEN WE FINALLY FIGURE OUT THAT, OKAY, IT'S RUN ITS COURSE AND IT'S OUT. MY CONCERN, IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING LIKE FRACKING WHERE THEY COME IN, I'M SO DISTURBED ABOUT THE, THE PARK LAND THAT'S GONE TO FRACKING BECAUSE I'VE WATCHED IT DESTROY MARIETTA, OHIO. BUT, BUT, BUT THE FRACKING, I THINK IS, IS A SOURCE RIGHT NOW TO FEED THE POWER SUPPLIES. AND SO I THINK THAT, AND SO GIVING, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT 6,000 ACRES OF OUR FARMLAND HAS BEEN GIVEN OR NOT OF OUR PARKS HAVE BEEN GIVEN, GIVEN OVER TO ALLOW FRACK TO GET. AND I'M JUST SICK ABOUT IT. UM, THAT THERE, THERE'S ONLY ONE REASON THEY WOULD BE DOING THAT FRACKING, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THE ENERGY HERE UNLESS, UNLESS WE'RE DOING IT TO POWER ALL THESE DATA CENTERS. THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION. IT'S NOT, I DON'T NEED, I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU IT'S EDUCATED. IT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THINGS WORK. AND THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. SO, UM, SO, SO YEAH, THERE, THERE DEFINITELY HAS TO BE SOMETHING. AND, AND I THINK THAT WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES JUST LIKE WE ARE CHARGED WITH MM-HMM . TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYBODY THAT WE CONSIDER FOR THE CITY HAS THAT THAT END. WHAT, WHAT DOES THE END LIFE LOOK LIKE? AND I DON'T THINK YOU, IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT HAPPENS IN COMMISSION, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PRACTICAL EXAMPLE YET. MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL OF THE CONTRACTS. RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS SORT OF A STANDARD MM-HMM . UH, PORTION, RIGHT. THAT, THAT GOES INTO THAT AS WELL. YES. UM, SO, [Propose future presenters and dates for visits to facilities in New Albany and/or Hilliard] UH, SO I THINK, UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN CIRCLE BACK AT THE END, BUT IF EVERYONE COMMITS TO WATCHING, UH, LIKE SHE SAID, MAY 27TH, UM, HAS A LOT OF EXPERTS AND THEN JUST SORT OF, UM, OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES WAS ON JUNE 8TH, THAT'S WHERE JENNIFER CHRYSLER, WHO'S GONNA SEND THAT? JENNIFER ACE IS FIRST. IT'S IN TAMMY ALREADY SENT IT. OKAY. YEAH, SHE, IT SHOULD BE THERE. UM, IS IT EASY TO RESET? UH, I CAN SIT, I CAN RESET. YES. ARE YOU GONNA WATCH IT BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING? YES, MA'AM. TWO WEEKS. YEAH, WE ARE, MY HOMEWORK, SHE HAS A RULE, UM, MAY 27TH AND I THINK JUNE 8TH. JUNE 1ST. AND, AND I'M NOT MINIMIZING ANY OF IT. JUNE 1ST [00:55:01] IS TESTIMONY FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND THEN JUNE 4TH IS THE TESTIMONY FROM THE DATA CENTERS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA SAVE YOURSELF SOME TIME, YOU'VE GOT THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON ONE SIDE. YOU'VE GOT THE DATA CENTERS GIVING TESTIMONY ON THE OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF OPINION TESTIMONY, UM, ON EITHER SIDE. UM, BUT THE EXPERT, THE COURT EXPERT TESTIMONY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE EPA AND NO DNR, THAT IS MAY 27TH. BUT I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO WATCH ON YOUR LIST, WRITE DOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, IN CASE OF A FIRE. UH, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE, UM, OUR, OUR FOLKS COME IN AND TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS AND STUFF. FIRE DEPARTMENTS. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE PEOPLE WOULD BE HELPING US. YEAH, OF COURSE. IF WE, OF COURSE, HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT EMERGENCY SERVICES. ABSOLUTELY. JUST WRITE THAT DOWN AND THEN AT SOME FORM WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN DO THE MS. AND AGAIN, THE, UH, MORPH C PRESENT. WHAT, WHAT ABOUT EAP? IT WAS A EP AT THE , UM, FORM THAT WE HAD, BUT IT WAS AN A EP OH REALLY? PERSON. IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO COME AND DO SOMETHING IN PERSON, THAT WOULD BE, UM, THAT, THAT'S GREAT. OH, I'M SORRY. BECAUSE WE HAD A FORUM AND IT WAS JENNIFER, UM, GENTLEMAN FROM A EP, UM, SOMEBODY FROM OHIO ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL. YEAH, I KNOW SOMEONE THERE TOO. AND THEN, YEAH, SO THERE WAS LIKE FOUR PEOPLE. OKAY. AND I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE, UM, A PRESENTATION FROM THE PUBLIC. UM, I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL, UH, ORGANIZATIONS AROUND MM-HMM . PROGRESS, PROGRESS, ALL THAT. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS INVITE SOMEONE TO GIVE A PRESENTATION, PERHAPS A POWERPOINT, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR CONCERNS. I DO WANNA ASK TOO ON THAT, SO I'VE BEEN ON TASK FORCE HERE BEFORE AND, UM, HAVE HAD OPEN SESSIONS. IT HAS BEEN LIMITED TO A TIME LIMIT SO THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE CAN COME IN VERSUS DEEMING THAT ONE PERSON OR ONE GROUP SPEAK. SO I THINK WE WOULD JUST WANNA THINK THROUGH THAT. OKAY. UM, AND SETTING A, A TIME LIMIT AND BEING ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR TWO, TWO AND A HALF HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE CAN HAVE UP TO X NUMBER OF PEOPLE BE ABLE TO SPEAK. AND I CAN'T RECALL HOW WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. FIRST COME FOR SERVE AND TIME IN TERMS OF SIGNUPS THAT NIGHT, JUST TO KIND OF HELP WITH WHATEVER, WHATEVER. SO WHO YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO, IF WE CAN GET A LIST, THEN WE'LL TELL YOU WHO WE CAN HAVE. AND YOU SET A TIME LIMIT FOR HOW LONG YOU WANT YOUR MEETING TO RUN, AND THEN WE'LL INVITE AS MANY PEOPLE THAT WILL FIT INTO THAT TIMEFRAME. MM-HMM . IS THAT EASY ENOUGH? MM-HMM . SO IF WE CAN, IF A EP SAYS WE NEED 30 MINUTES AND YOU GUYS ONLY WANNA RUN AN HOUR, THEN WE'RE GOING TO GIVE, WE'LL PROBABLY INVITE A EP. WE MAY INVITE ONE OTHER PERSON, OR WE MAY NOT. 'CAUSE YOU MAY WANNA HAVE TIME AFTER TO AS A COMMITTEE TO HAVE DISCUSSION. SO, AND WE'LL WORK THROUGH CHAIR AND, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF WE HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMITTEE. YEAH. WE DO ALMOST LIKE A TOWN HALL TYPE STYLE INDIVIDUALS REFERENCE. IT DOESN'T. I AGREE. YOU'LL HAVE, YOU CAN LISTEN TO THEM FOR AN HOUR OR HOWEVER YOU WANT. YEAH. WHATEVER YOUR TIME LIMIT IS. AND THAT WAY YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE SUPPORTERS, YOU'LL HAVE INTEREST PARTIES, YOU'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT ARE FOR IT. I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY WANTS HAVE THE INVITATION. RIGHT. CONCERNS. AND DO YOU WANNA BREAK UP INTO SMALLER GROUPS TO HAVE SOME PEOPLE HEAD SOME THINGS AND THEN HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE HELP PARTICIPATE? WOULD THAT HELP MOVE THINGS ON A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, FASTER, QUICKER, PERHAPS? DID YOU SAY TO HELP SOMEONE? WELL, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING THE PUBLIC COME IN, YOU ARE PART OF THAT TASK FORCE. YOU KNOW, MELISSA SOMETHING THAT SHE'S, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF HEAD THAT UP, HAVE SOME PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE, HOW AND WHEN AND GET WITH TAMMY. AND THAT WAY WE CAN BREAK UP A LITTLE BIT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA. I JUST, YOU MEAN JUST HAVE SOME, A FEW OF US LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC? NO, NO. OH NO. I THINK DO THE, DO THE OUTREACH TO HOW MUCH TIME WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. I THINK HOW MUCH TIME WAS PROBABLY UP WOULD BE THREE MINUTES. THREE TO FIVE? YEAH. YEAH. THREE MINUTES. OH, YOU MEAN FOR EACH PERSON TO SPEAK? MM-HMM . YEAH. YOU WANNA KEEP IT AT THREE OR FIVE? JUST THREE MINUTES. I MEAN THREE MINUTES. KEEP THINGS MOVING IS A LOT MORE THAN YOU THINK. IT'S A LOT MORE THAN YOU THINK. SO WE PROBABLY, YEAH. THREE TO FIVE MINUTES AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO THAT JUST LIKE A 45 MINUTE SESSION OR HALF HOUR, YOU KNOW, EIGHT PIECE, HALF HOUR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, WE'LL COORDINATE THOSE TIMES. I THINK WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE OUTREACH. [01:00:01] UM, I WOULDN'T REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, JENNIFER'S OFFICE. SO YOU'RE KIND OF GONNA HANDLE THAT. I'LL HANDLE THAT. UM, AND MR. , CORRECT? YES. MR. HILL. CONTACT EP. THERE YOU GO. UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC, I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO POST THAT. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT A SPECIFIC GROUP, I THINK, OR UNLESS YOU, THERE'S A WANT THAT TO BE ITS OWN SESSION. BUT I THINK IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC GROUPS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO SPEAK, I THINK THEY SHOULD REACH OUT OR WRITE THE CHAIR AND, AND SAY WHAT THEY WOULD WANT IF THEY'RE WANTING A LARGER SESSION VERSUS US BEING ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS A TOWN HALL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT AND SPEAK. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I MEAN, IF A HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP AND 300, WE, WE COULDN'T HAVE A HUNDRED MINUTES. THAT'S FIVE HOURS AT THREE MINUTES EACH. SO, BUT IF THE, IT'S THE, UM, UH, QUANTITY IS THERE AND THE DEPTH IS THERE. WE AS A TASK FORCE HAVE TO EVALUATE, DO WE HAVE TWO TOWN HALLS? DO WE HAVE A TOWN HALL AND WE HAVE A TOWN HALL. THE NEXT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK, SHARE THEIR OPINION. AND I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A VAST AMOUNT OF OPINIONS FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE TOWNSHIP, PEOPLE WHO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANNA LIVE NEXT DOOR TO IT. PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY AND, AND IN MY PAST EXPERIENCE OF A TASK FORCE, THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES BEING ABLE TO COME OUT AND BE HEARD MORE THAN JUST, UM, A, A SPECIFIC COUNCIL MEETING OR NEW BUSINESS OR WRITING AN EMAIL. UM, I THINK THAT HOW DOES THAT GET COMMUNICATED THROUGH? I MEAN, IS IT POSTED ON YES. YES. AND THE POSTED SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S, WELL, YOU SAY YOU PICK, YOU WOULD PICK ONE OF YOUR MEETING DATES AND SAY THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO THAT DAY AND MM-HMM . OKAY. AND IF YOU WANNA ADD AN EXTRA MEETING, THEN WE WOULD POST THAT MEETING AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, AND AN AGENDA AND WHAT IT WOULD OKAY. WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR, IT WOULD BE NICE TO COME UP WITH A MATRIX OF ITEMS THOUGH. LIKE WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UM, SOUND, IF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT LIGHT, IF PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, ALAN, YOU HAD A MATRIX AT ONE POINT IN TIME SET UP. IF WE COULD HAVE THOSE BOXES, SO WHEN WE'RE LISTENING TO PEOPLE, WE CAN CHECK TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A PERSON THAT'S, THAT WANTS, THAT'S CONCERNED ABOUT LIGHTING. THIS IS A PERSON THAT'S ABOUT SOUND. THIS IS, THIS IS NOT MY BACKYARD. THIS IS NO MORE FARMLAND. YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . SO WE CAN, SO WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE SOME TYPE OF RECORD OF, OF A MATRIX. THEN GOING BACK AS WE RESEARCH THE TRUTH, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'RE FINDING THE TRUTH. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SUBJECTS AND SAY, OKAY, IS IT AFFECTING SOUND? IS IT AFFECTING WATER? IS IT AFFECTING THIS? YOU KNOW, AND THEN ADDRESS EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS. TELL US WHAT EXPERTS WE NEED TOO. YEAH. I LABELED 'EM JUST AS AREAS OF CONCERN. AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, POWER, WATER, UH, EMISSIONS, UH, ON ONSITE ENERGY, UH, NOISE VIBRATION, LIKE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, STORM WATER, LEGAL, UH, DATA TRANSPARENCY, FUTURE EXPANSION IS CONSTRUCTION, DECOMMISSIONING INFRASTRUCTURE BURDENS, FISCAL IMPACT, JOBS AND PAYROLL. FIVE, FIVE. WELL, SAFETY. YEAH, SAFETY. GOT IT. YEAH. SO THAT, I'M SURE, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS WE MET ON THE LIST. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF AREAS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I MEAN, ARE CONCERN ABSOLUTELY. SO, SHOULD WE LISTEN? SHOULD WE HAVE THE TOWN HALLS BEFORE WE BRING IN THE EXPERTS SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS, HOW DO WE ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS WITHOUT FACTS? WELL, WE'RE NOT THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. YEAH. I THINK WE'RE THERE TO JUST LISTEN, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THREE MINUTES, YOU WANNA BE ABLE, YOU WANNA GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OPPORTUNITY TO PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT THERE ANSWERING QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RESPOND SOMEHOW THOUGH. RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY, SOMEONE TAKING WRITE NOTES DOWN AND WRITING IT OUT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? SOMETHING OUT THROUGH THE INTERNET OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. MAYBE THIS IS A, LET'S KEEP GOING THROUGH THE LIST. LET'S MAKE SURE WE'VE SET UP OUR NEXT FUTURE MEETINGS SO THAT WE CAN BRING PEOPLE IN AND LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS BEFORE WE DO A TOWN HALL. MAYBE IT'S ALSO THIS DATA CENTER COMMITTEE PUTTING THEIR REPORT TOGETHER, WHICH IS, I KNOW SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT INITIAL FINDINGS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FIRST IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, EVEN BEFORE LOOKING FOR THAT TOWN HALL. BUT THE TOWN HALL DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN TOMORROW. RIGHT. LIKE WE CAN RIGHT. AND WE, WE CAN STRUCTURE IT HOWEVER WE WANT. I'M JUST SHARING HOW ONE HAPPENED IN THE PAST. SO IF YOU LISTEN TO THIS, IF YOU LISTEN TO THAT NEXT GROUP OF, OF, UH, OF CONVERSATION WHERE IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE COMMUNITY THAT'S COMING IN AND TALK ALL OVER STATE OF OHIO. THEY DID THREE MINUTES, BUT THEN THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE ALLOWED WAS INFINITE. SO SOMEBODY GET IT UP AND, AND, AND GIVE THEIR THREE MINUTES. THEY ALSO SUBMIT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE COMMITTEE. HERE ARE THINGS THAT I DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK [01:05:01] ABOUT. HERE'S SOME OF MY FACTS, SOME OF MY DATA. HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT, THAT I COULDN'T GET OUT IN MY SPEECH HERE. AND THE COMMITTEE DID ASK QUESTIONS AND THEY WERE GOOD QUESTIONS. SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT. BUT AGAIN, THEY DID IT FOR FOUR HOURS. MM-HMM . SO DO WE WANT TO DO THAT KIND OF A THING OR NOT? AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S OBSCENE BECAUSE THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUE. MM-HMM . AND SO DO WE NEED FOUR HOURS? BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, IF YOU LISTEN, EVEN IF YOU JUST LISTEN TO A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, THE FIRST 30 MINUTES OF THAT, YOU'LL GET A REALLY GOOD FLAVOR FOR HOW THEY RAN IT AT THE STATE LEVEL. AND THAT MIGHT HELP US FORMULATE AN IDEA OF HOW WE MIGHT, HOW WE STRUCTURED MM-HMM . OKAY. [Begin outline for September 28 Initial Findings Report to Council] BECAUSE OUR INITIAL FINDINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED, UH, TO COUNSEL ON SEPTEMBER 28TH. AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE MEETING PRIOR TO WHEN THOSE FINDINGS ARE DUE. THAT COULD BE CHANGED TO EXTENT. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ASK. AND I'VE NOT REALLY BEEN, I DON'T HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE ON COMMITTEE. SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 28TH. IT'S 60 DAYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR INITIAL FINDINGS REPORT. UM, AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE MEETING NEXT WEEK. AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ENOUGH TIME TO GET SOMETHING OUT. RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE WHAT OUR FINDINGS WOULD BE. WE HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. WE'RE A LOT TO LEARN AND, RIGHT. AND SO SINCE COUNCIL IS, MOST OF COUNCIL IS HERE, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. IF WE NEED AN EXTENSION ON THOSE INITIAL FINDINGS, HOW WOULD THAT WORK? HOW DOES THAT WORK? DO WE FORMALLY ASK OR DO WE ASK THAT? WOULD I ASK THAT NIGHT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING? OR? I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU HAVE MR. OMAR HERE WHO WROTE THIS INITIAL FINDINGS. CAN, COULD JUST BE AN UPDATE. WE ARE, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. WE ARE WORKING, WE ARE LEARNING WHAT WE NEED TO. THAT SORT OF MY THOUGHT, KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND IF THAT, AND YOU ALL COUNSEL HERE, I MEAN, THAT WOULD WOULD BE YOUR INITIAL REPORT IS JUST THAT IS ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE FINDING OUR FOOTING, WE'RE FINDING THAT WAY. THAT DILIGENTLY THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION OF HOW IT WOULD KIND OF GO. BUT OF COURSE, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WITH COUNCIL BEING A PART OF THIS, AND HERE'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE. GIVE THEM MODEL THE LITTLE LAUNDRY LIST OF WHAT YOU ARE ANTICIPATING THAT COULD BE. IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE? WELL, WE'RE ALL HERE. SO, SO I, WELL, THAT'S WHY DIFFERENT THAN, UM, ANYTHING I'VE SORT OF MISSED. IT ALSO JUST HELPS PUT IT IN MORE IN, THIS IS IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, BUT IT JUST HELPS SOLIDIFY MORE FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCE. UM, PERFECT. AND PART OF MINUTES OF A MEETING, SINCE WE HAVE, DO, HAVE A MATRIX THAT ALAN HAS DEVELOPED, UM, DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR US TO USE THAT MATRIX? AND THEN DO WE NEED TO, UH, PRIORITIZE THE MATRIX OR DID YOU KIND OF DO THAT WITH YOUR NO, I DIDN'T PRIORITIZE IT. DO WE NEED TO, IS THAT IMPORTANT? USE NEXT, NEXT MEETING TO REALLY GO THROUGH THAT. WELL, WHY DON'T USE THAT AS YOU'RE LISTENING TO YOUR FIRST FOUR HOURS? THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT. THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING TO, TO PRINT OFF AND HAVE SITTING WITH YOU WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT FOUR HOURS OF, OF, UH, TESTIMONY. BECAUSE YOU COULD SIT THERE AND YOU COULD CIRCLE HOW MANY OR PUT NO. OKAY. THIS IS HOW MANY TIMES THIS ISSUE CAME UP. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, I, I, I, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHEN I LISTENED TO IT, I COULD, LIKE I SAID, IF I HAD BEEN SITTING, I WOULD'VE MADE MORE NOTES. BUT THEY TALK ABOUT SETBACKS, THEY TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT WE MIGHT NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT. SO MAYBE THAT KIND OF A MATRIX IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE EXPERTS TALKED ABOUT AT THE STATE LEVEL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US USE THE MATRIX AND TO PRIORITIZE IT. IS THAT, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA OR NOT A GOOD IDEA? AND YOU NEED TO VOTE ON THAT OR NOT JUST TO GET THIS THING MOVING. WHAT DO YOU THINK? RIGHT. AND THERE MIGHT BE MORE THINGS WE WANNA ADD TO THE MATRIX. ABSOLUTELY. HOW DO WE, UM, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ON YOUR MATRIX THAT WE CAN COMBINE? EVEN THAT'S TRUE, OMAR, I DON'T KNOW. I'M SORRY. I KEEP INTERJECTING MY APOLOGIES. NO, IT'S ALL GOOD. MR. OMAR ALSO SENT YOU AN OUTLINE, THE BEGINNING OF THIS. UM, SO THAT'S IN EMAIL. YOU NEED THAT TOO. AGAIN, DO YOU HAVE TWO BUYING THAT, TWO PIECES TO A WORK FROM, TO HELP YOU? MY THOUGHT WOULD BE NEXT MEETING, TAKE THE EMAIL THAT YOU HAD SENT SORT OF THE TIMELINE AND THE OUTLINE AND THE MATRIX THAT ALAN DID, AND WE HAVE THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS AND WE WORK, YOU KNOW, KIND OF START WITH THE MATRIX, FILL IT IN, LET'S GET OUR PRIORITY. UM, WOULD WE HAVE TIME, DOES ANYONE THINK TO HAVE A SPEAKER POTENTIALLY AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHETHER IT'S SAFETY SERVICES, IS THIS TOO SOON TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM OH, UNLESS WE WANNA PRIORIT PRIORITIZE IT, YOU KNOW, UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISH AS MUCH AS WE SURE. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS SEEMS TO BE WATER. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SERVICE DEPARTMENT HERE THAT CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO WATER CAPACITY, STORM WATER ISSUES, SANITARY [01:10:01] SEWER CAPACITY. CITY OF COLUMBUS, WE WOULD CITY, I WOULD RECOMMEND EMISSION TEA. OUR, OUR ENGINEERS, THEY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH COLUMBUS. THEY DO A LOT OF WATER ANALYSIS WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. SO I THINK EHT WOULD BE THE BEST EXPERT DISPOSAL, BASICALLY. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S A USAGE AS WELL AS A, AS A, AS A CLEANSING ISSUE. RIGHT. IT, IT'S NOT JUST A USAGE ISSUE, BUT WHAT'S ALSO GOING IN THE WATER. THE WASTEWATER. THE WASTEWATER AND YEAH. YEAH. THEY WOULD BE THE EXPERTS ON EVEN WITH A CLOSED LOOP, WHERE DOES IT GO AT SOME POINT? AT SOME, WELL, THEY'RE SAYING UNLESS THERE'S LEACHING, WHAT WE HEARD IN THE, IN THE VIDEOS, LE THERE'S NOTHING COMING. BASICALLY THAT WATER SOMEWHERE RIGHT. TO, WELL, THE WATER HAS THE LIGHT POLE IN IT IN TEXAS, THAT ACTUALLY COMES, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T, SORRY. AND FLUSH THE SYSTEM. THAT'S MHT WILL BE PREPARED, COULD BE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT ON THE WATER SIDE AS WELL AS THE DISTRICT SIDE KIND. UH, CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS A LIST OF PRE-TREATMENT REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN CHEMICALS. SO MHT WILL BE WELL VERSED ON THAT SIDE TOO. SO I, I CAN TALK TO OKAY. EH TALK TO US. I WOULD ALSO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN ADDITION TO THE THINGS YOU'VE MENTIONED CHAIR ABOUT HAVING FOR NEXT MEETING. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE CAN ALREADY BE LIKE A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT THAT INITIAL REPORT OUT MIGHT BE TO COUNCIL? THAT WAY WE CAN ALL REVIEW THAT. OH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT WOULD BE MY INTENT. OKAY. TO START WORKING ON IT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THE C WAS THINKING. MM-HMM . UM, MICHELLE AND I WILL WILL BACK THAT BACK AND FORTH AND HAVE SOMETHING OUT TO YOU GUYS AHEAD OF TIME TO REVIEW BEFORE THE MEETINGS YOU, WHEN WE SEE IT AND WHEN MAKE COMMENTS AND, UM, AT THE MEETING. DEFINITELY. UM, SO GIVEN THAT WOULD BE SORT OF OUR NEXT MEETING TOPIC, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE TIME TO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER OR DO YOU WANNA PUT OFF ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS LIKE, UM, FOR WATER SAFETY UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MEETING? IS THERE A CONSENT? I'D LOVE TO HAVE SPEAKER IF, I MEAN, I KIND OF WOULD EARLY AS I'M TRYING NOT TO BE, TO PUSH TOO HARD, BUT I'M, I THINK ALL ABOUT GOING, I'M ALMOST CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING MORE THAN ONE SPEAKER MEETING THAT'S AN EXPERT IN THE AREA. BECAUSE IF THEY DO A PRESENTATION, WHETHER IT MAY BE EPA OR WATER, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE 20 MINUTES, RIGHT? MM-HMM . AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST 30 OR 45 MINUTES OF QUESTIONS. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. YEAH. IF WE HAVE, IF WE COULD HAVE MAYBE ONE SPEAKER AT THE NEXT MEETING, SAY HERE AT THE START AT SIX O'CLOCK, UM, KIND OF WHOEVER WE CAN GET LINED UP TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT. HAVE QUESTIONS. HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHAT FOR ABOUT A 45 MINUTE PRESENTATION AND THEN THE, HOPEFULLY THE REMAINING 45 MINUTES OR SO IN THE MEETING, IT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CHECKING OFF OUR MATRIX, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF, KIND OF A DUAL TRACK. UM, WHAT SHOULD WE APPROACH FIRST AND TAKING A LOOK AT THE INITIAL FINDINGS. DOES THAT SOUNDS AMENABLE OR DO YOU NOT? NO, NO. I, I JUST, ARE WE READY TO, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. PRIORITIZING AND THEN GETTING, I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT START GETTING THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE IN THAT WHAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT, WHAT EVERYONE THINKS CORE AND PRIORITIZING IT TO ME. THIS MAY TAKE A TIME. I DO TOO. THIS MAY TAKE, WHAT'D YOU SAY? I THINK WATER'S GONNA BE UP THERE. OKAY. THEN LET'S GO WITH IT. UTILITIES. YOU WANT BOTH WATER? I THINK THINK YOU TEA CAN DO BOTH. WATER AND SAN. YEAH. I THINK IF WE START WITH THAT, WE GET THEM IN HERE AT SIX O'CLOCK. YEP. LET'S HEAR FROM 'EM. IN THE MEANTIME, EVERYBODY COMMITS TO WATCHING THE MAY 27TH, UH, TESTIMONY. SO WE'RE KIND OF ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. JUST PREPARED FOR ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK AS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NEXT MEETING. CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF ALAN'S MATRIX TRICK? CAN WE HAVE A PRINTOUT? COPY. SORRY, PRINT. I'VE HAD PRINTOUTS TOO. I REALLY DO. I LIKE PRINTOUTS. YEAH, IT'S GREAT IDEA. SO THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH IT AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE COPY IS. MELISSA, YOU HAVE I, WHERE DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW? DO YOU NO, I CAN COPY, I CAN TAKE IT BACK WITH ME TO JACKSON. YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING. ONE THING WE HAVEN'T DONE YET IS FIND THE DEFINITION DATA CENTER. THAT IS BACK TO, UH, YOU ALAN, IF WE WANT TO, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT DEFINING DATA CENTERS THAT PROBABLY MAYBE BE THE LAST THING WE CAN KIND OF TOUCH ON THIS AND, AND WELL, YEAH, LET, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THE DEFINITION HAZARDS IN THE MORATORIUM AND THAT THAT'LL BE OUR STARTING POINT. AND WE, WE CAN HAVE, GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE CAN ADJUST AS NEEDED. SO, UH, THE HIGH DENSITY COMPUTING FACILITY MEANS ANY FACILITY PRIMARILY, I'M READING FROM SECTION ONE, SORRY. UM, MEANS ANY FACILITY PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN LARGE SCALE [01:15:01] CLOUD COMPUTING, SERVER HOSTING, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROCESSING, QUICK CURRENCY MINING, BLOCKCHAIN PROCESSING, HYPERSCALE COMPUTING OPERATIONS, CO-LOCATION SERVICES OR SIMILAR DIGITAL INFRASTRUCTURE OPERATIONS UTILIZED IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPUTING POWER COOLING SYSTEMS, UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, BACKUP POWER GENERATION OR ONSITE ENERGY SYSTEMS. THE TERM INCLUDE THAT IS NOT LIMITED TO DATA CENTERS, SERVER FARMS, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COMPUTING CAMPUSES, CRYPTOCURRENCY, MINING FACILITIES, BLOCKCHAIN PROCESSING FACILITIES, CLOUD COMPUTING CAMPUSES, LOCATION FACILITIES OR SIMILAR HYPERSCALE OR HIGH DENSITY COMPUTER OPERATIONS. THE TERM FURTHER INCLUDES ANY ASSOCIATED OR ACCESSORY INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT SUCH FACILITIES INCLUDING SUBSTATIONS, COOLING INFRASTRUCTURE, BACKUP POWER GENERATION SYSTEMS, FUEL STORAGE SYSTEMS, UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, FIBER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND RELATED OPERATIONAL SUPPORT FACILITIES. WE ALSO INCLUDED HERE THE TERM EXCLUDES, ACCESSORY SERVER ROOMS INCIDENTAL TO A PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USE SUCH AS A COMPUTER ROOM OR THEIR STUFF IN A HOSPITAL. EDUCATIONAL GOVERNMENTAL OR PUBLIC PUBLIC SAFETY INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS. SO ALL THE TECH THAT'S IN THIS BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT A DATA CENTER. EVEN THERE'S TECHNOLOGY HERE, RIGHT? UM, CONVENTIONAL OFFICE COMPUTING SYSTEMS, INTERNAL BUSINESS TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS THAT ARE ACCESSORIES AND INCIDENTAL TO AN OTHERWISE PERMITTED PRINCIPAL USE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY IS OTHERWISE PERMITTED UNDER APPLICABLE LAW AND NOT PRIMARILY USED AS A HIGH DENSITY COMPUTING FACILITY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE STARTED WITH. I HAVE A QUESTION SINCE WE HAVE THIS OUT, THEY DON'T WANNA DISTRACT FROM THE DEFINITION, BUT THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT THE CITY IS TO BE DOING WHILE WE ARE DOING OUR JOB AS A TASK FORCE. I, I'VE ACTUALLY, I I DON'T YOU RECALL, I THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING. I KIND OF REMEMBER IT, BUT IT WAS, AND BASICALLY IF I RECALL, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME ANYONE, BUT THE RESPONSE WAS BASICALLY THE CITY AND TASK FORCE ARE BEING SOMEWHAT USED, SOMEWHAT INTERCHANGEABLY IN THIS, BUT IT WASN'T REALLY A SEPARATE TRACK. IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY SAY, I KNOW THE CITY PLAN DURING MORATORY AND SAYS DURING MORATORIUM PERIOD, THE CITY SHALL, IN ADDITION TO SUPPORTING THE TASK FORCE FORCES WORK. SO THERE'S ALL THESE EXPERTS THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE REACHING OUT TO AND, AND GETTING INFORMATION ON, WHICH THEN WE COULD USE THEM AS PART OF OUR EXPERTS. RIGHT? BUT I, IS ANYBODY DOING THAT? DO WE HAVE THE CITY REPRESENTED HERE? ? SO, UM, SO THIS SECTION NINE INDICATES THAT THE CITY BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS EVEN WITH THE CITY. I KNOW THAT WE, THAT THAT NIGHT WAS STILL HECTIC, THAT WE COULDN'T GO BACK IN AND MAKE ALL THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE WANTED TO. YES. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I, I WOULD PREFER BEING ON THE TASK FORCE IF ALONG WITH THE CITY WE'RE ALL ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMEWHAT THE LANGUAGE , DIDN'T WE, UH, COME TO A CONCLUSION OF TASK FORCE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE CITY AND TASKFORCE KIND OF DIRECTING THE CITY, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. I MEAN, I THINK KYLE IS GOING TO WORK WITH THE AND AND T UH, TO PUT ON A, YOU KNOW, BRING A PRESENTATION. OBVIOUSLY KYLE AND THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT BROUGHT FORTH A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR ZONING. SO YES, WE'RE HERE. I RECALL THAT FROM THE FIRST WHAT'S THAT? WE'RE HERE FOR WHATEVER YOU GUYS NEED. SO ANYBODY, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE TASK FORCE. WE JUST HAVEN'T GONE BACK IN AS COUNCIL TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE. RIGHT. AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WAS NOT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S NOT GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE TRACKS, BUT THE CITY IS DOING SOME TYPE OF RESEARCH THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF THE TASK FORCE AS A WHOLE IS DOING. SO THEN WE HAVE TO ADD, ADD THEM TO OUR LIST OF, OF, UH, EXPERTS SO TO SPEAK. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TALK TO US ABOUT ZONING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THAT THE CITY WOULD BE, WE CHECKED THAT BOX. WE DID THAT LAST TIME. YEAH. KYLE TALKED TO, WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT SETTING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO SET ZONING CRITERIA, WHATEVER, RIGHT. WE CAN GO THROUGH, IF YOU, IF THE TASK FORCE WANTS US DO, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND DO AN ANALYSIS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES IN OHIO AS WELL AS OTHER STATES GET THE BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT LESSONS HAVE BEEN LEARNED. AND WE COULD DRAFT A, A A A TEXT, IF YOU WILL, OF WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE IN TERMS OF SAFEGUARDS FOR A DATA CENTER PROJECT. WE COULD DO THAT IF WE WANT US TO DO THAT. I, I I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE ULTIMATE END OUTPUT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH, I AGREE. USING THIS, GOING THROUGH THIS, BASICALLY [01:20:01] FILLING THIS IN AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE VALUES FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE. YEAH. THAT MIGHT BE, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK? BUT I THINK I'M GONNA INTERJECT. I'M NOT STEVEN, AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY OUTSIDE OF THIS, BUT I AM GONNA INTERJECT, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE AS A TASK FORCE HAVE TO REALLY THINK THROUGH. BECAUSE THE MINUTE WE ACTUALLY PUT IN SAFEGUARDS, WHILE WE THINK THIS IS GREAT, THEY'RE SAFEGUARDS. IT CAN ALLOW ANY DATA CENTER TO SAY, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO THEN NOT ONLY ASK THE QUESTION, BUT YOU SAID IT, I I MEET ALL OF THIS SO I CAN, VERSUS IF THE TASK FORCE WERE TO GET TO A POINT TO SAY THERE'S A MAJOR BAN, OR WE WANT TO LEAVE THE PUD AS OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT ZONING AS IS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE PROTECTED, IT WOULD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. YEAH. YEAH. I'M JUST GONNA INTERJECT NOW. THAT'S REALLY GOOD. I CAN ASK A QUESTION ON THAT. SO AGAIN, AT THE END OF THIS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT DECIDE WE DON'T WANT ANY DATA CENTERS, WE'RE JUST GONNA BAN JUST OUTRIGHT. THAT'S ONE EXTREME. THE OTHER ONE SAYS, OH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S WRONG. WE GO TO WHEREVER YOU WANT, PUT ONE IN MY BACKYARD. YOU KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN. BUT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO COME UP WITH, AGAIN, GOING THROUGH THE, THE MATRIX COMING UP WITH WHAT ARE THE ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS IN THE PUD PROCESS, WHICH IS SOUNDS TO ME, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE STRONGEST POSITION THE CITY CAN BE IN BECAUSE YOU CAN PUT ANYTHING, THE CITY CAN PUT ANYTHING IN THE PUD PROCESS, ANY, AS MANY RESTRICTIONS AS YOU WANT ABOVE, BEYOND JUST BASIC, BASIC ZONING. RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW DATA CENTERS ARE NOT, ARE NOT A PERMITTED USE. CORRECT. BUT IF THERE IS A SITUATION, IT COULD BE DONE THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS. SO DO YOU GUYS, IN CASES LIKE IF WE COME UP WITH A BUNCH OF, A BUNCH OF STANDARDS AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BAN IT, BUT WE DON'T WANNA PUT THIS DIRECTLY IN CODE SO THAT IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE, LET'S LEAVE IT AS A NON-PERMITTED USE. BUT YOU HAVE THIS LIST OF THINGS YOU JUST KEEP ON THE SIDE . AND IF A PROJECT LIKE THIS COMES UP, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU WANNA DO A DATA CENTER? WELL, FOR THE PUD, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE STARTING. I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, AS A CITY SAY WE'RE GOING TO PROHIBIT DATA CENTERS OUTRIGHT IN THE CITY. OKAY. WE, WE'LL GET THAT PUTS US IN LEGAL JEOPARDY. IT HASN'T BEEN TESTED YET, THOUGH. IT HAS NOT BEEN TESTED. THIS IS WHY, LET ME, A PARALLEL TRACK WOULD BE LIKE A SEXUALLY BOARDED BOARDED BUSINESS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T EXPRESSLY PROHIBIT THOSE IN YOUR COMMUNITIES. YOU HAVE TO REGULATE 'EM. SO THEY'RE VERY, VERY TOUGH TO, TO CITE YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU CAN'T COME OUT AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT DATA CENTERS EVER. RIGHT. BUT WE COULD SAY, IF YOU CAN DO A DATA CENTER THAT MEETS ALL THESE CRITERIA, THEN YOU CAN DO ONE. SO WHERE YOU SET THE CRITERIA SO IT CAN NEVER BE MET. OKAY. SO WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD THAT CRITERIA IN, IN TODAY'S WORLD, THE WAY THINGS ARE TODAY, AND MAYBE DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT NON PERMIT USES. RIGHT. SO IT'D BE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND, AND, AND THAT IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE IS THAT CODIFIED IN THE CITY CODE? YES. YES. MM-HMM. THOSE THINGS. YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND NORMALLY IT'S A SPECIAL, SPECIAL USE PERMIT. COUNTY IS THAT EXTRA LAYER OF PROTECTION. OKAY. SO WE USE THAT A LOT OF TIMES FOR, YOU KNOW, PATIO SITE, UH, DRIVE THROUGHS, BUT ALSO SEXUAL ED BUSINESSES AND OTHER USES THAT HAVE A HIGHER, HIGHER, MUCH HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY. OKAY. UH, WHERE WE CAN, MUCH LIKE WE DID WITH THE MARIJUANA FACILITIES. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THE DISPENSER WAS PROBABLY THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE WHERE CORRECT. THERE WAS MANY CRITERIA PUT TOGETHER IN AN ORDINANCE BY COUNCIL WHERE ADMIT THE USE. CORRECT. YOU GET TO MEET THESE CRITERIA, GET 300 FEET FIRE FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND, AND YEAH. ALL THESE OTHER MM-HMM . CORRECT. THE BEST POSITION TO BE IN IS NOT RIGHT NOW IS THE CITY. THERE'S NO PERMITTED USE AT ALL FOR DATA CENTERS. THAT'S A VERY STRONG POSITION FOR THE CITY. THE NEXT STRONGEST POSITION WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN A SPECIAL USE SECTION. OR YOU HAVE, UH, LEEWAY ASS COUNSEL TO MAKE DISCRETIONARY DECISIONS BASED OFF A LOT MORE SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE ISSUES. I REALLY WISH STEVE WAS HERE. 'CAUSE HE CAN SAY IT MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN SAY. I DON'T THINK I SAID AGAIN. I SAID I'M NOT IN A HURRY. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S GOOD. OKAY. SO CIRCLE BACK REAL QUICK TO THE DEFINITION. DOES, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OR MAYBE A BETTER WAY TO, DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT DEFINITION AS A STARTING POINT? ONE THING I WANT TO THROW OUT THERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT CLASSES. SCARLET, YOU MENTIONED THAT AND CHAIR, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, DATA CENTERS ARE NEW, SO, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN DATA CENTERS. COMPUSERVE WAS, WOULD BE CONSIDERED SURE. A DATA CENTER, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE DATA CENTERS WE KNOW TODAY OCL, RIGHT? YES. SO, SO AGAIN, WOULD THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES FALL INTO THIS DEFINITION OR DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OR SIZES OR CLASS ONE, CLASS TWO? I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, COMPUSERVE WAS A GOOD BUSINESS, RIGHT? BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS BECAUSE THEY WERE BASICALLY IN ONE BUILDING OR IN THE BAY. WHO KNOWS RIGHT? I DON'T FIND WHAT'S INSIDE THAT BUILDING. RIGHT. JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF DATA CENTER HAS CHANGED. [01:25:01] CONTINUES TO YEAH. AND, AND I, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS ATTEMPTED TO CAPTURE WAS THIS MEGA TYPE FACILITY. YEAH. HYPERSCALERS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, BUT EVEN AS, AS YOU LISTENED TO THE STATE TAPES, WHAT DO THEY SAY? NOBODY'S REALLY BEEN ABLE TO DEFINE WHAT A DATA CENTER IS. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC DEFINITION. I MEAN THERE'S DEFINITIONS I THINK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO FOR WHAT A HYPERSCALER IS. YEAH. AND THAT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM ENERGY USE, MINIMUM WATER USE, MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, THEY'RE GONNA GET SMALLER, THEY'RE GONNA USE LESS CHANGE OVER TIME. PROBABLY. YEAH. TECHNOLOGY CHANGE. BUT BECAUSE THEY DO GO BY SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, I THINK THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND KEEPING THE DEFINITION SO BROAD AND NOT JUST SO HEAVILY FOCUSED ON DATA CENTERS. MM-HMM . UM, AND THEN THE EXCLUDING WHAT WE LISTED HERE, THE GOAL IS NOT TO REGULATE EVERY SERVER IN GROSS CITY. RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THE FOCUS IS, IS THESE HIGH DENSITY COMPETING FACILITIES. MM-HMM . THAT'S ALL. AND WHAT DOES, WHAT'S THE MINIMUM OF THE HIGH DENSITY? RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT THE CONVERSATION TO, TO LOOK LIKE WHEN WE ARE MEETING WITH THESE EXPERTS AND HAVE THIS, I GUESS MAYBE SERVE, BE THIS, THE STARTING DEFINITION AND THEN KIND OF BUILD ON THAT AS WE CONTINUE TO MEET WITH THESE EXPERTS. YEAH, I LIKE THAT DOWN, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YOU CAN MAKE THIS THE DEFINITION MORE NARROW AS WE PROCEED. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS INITIAL REPORT AS WELL. IF THERE IS A DEFINED USE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, UM, PASSED BY COUNSEL. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL CONTINUE TO POTENTIALLY BUILD UPON DEPENDING ON DIFFERENT TYPES USES, UM, BASED ON ALL THE EXPERTS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW THAT TIME IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE. WE ALL HAVE LIVES AND TO LIVE AND DO THINGS WITH OUR FAMILIES. IS IS THERE A GOAL, AN ENDING GOAL? IS IT SEVEN 30? IS IT EIGHT O'CLOCK? IS IT UNTIL WE GET DONE? UM, TILL, I MEAN, I KEEP GOING TILL JESUS COMES. I'M HOPING FOR, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN SEVEN AND SEVEN 30. OH, IT WOULD BE OUR ENDING TIME IF WE COULD. I'M SEVEN 30. IT'S, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST, I KNOW IT IS. I KNOW ALREADY. I JUST WASN'T, YES. SO THAT, THAT, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION TO BE HAD, BUT THAT WAS SORT OF IN MY MIND, THE ROUGH GOAL. I KNOW LAST TIME, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE EXPECTED US TO BE HERE, YOU KNOW, AFTER EIGHT NECESSARILY. BUT MINE WAS PROBABLY EIGHT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S, YEAH, MINE WAS PROBABLY COUPLE HOURS, LIKE TWO HOURS, COUPLE HOURS. SO, YEAH. UM, SO WERE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS DATA CENTER TOOLKIT? YOU MENTIONED KYLE OR SOMEBODY MAYBE COMING IN AND GOING THROUGH IT OR, OKAY, THAT'S GOOD. OH, OKAY. I, I'LL INTRODUCE, I THINK , MS. CHESTER, I THINK WHAT KYLE SAID WAS THAT HE WOULD REACH OUT TO, TO DO AL THE OKAY. SO YOUR KYLE AND SEE IF HE CAN USE, SO HE CAN USE HIS INFLUENCE TO GET JENNIFER HERE THEN. UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YEAH. IF YOU COULD GET JENNIFER, SHE WAS, SHE WAS AWESOME TO LISTEN TO. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. YES, DEFINITELY. AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANNA BE LIKE, NEW ALBANY. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR OUT OF THIS. IT IS JUST THAT IF WE DON'T INVESTIGATE ALL OF THIS, THEN WE'RE JUST STARTING FROM SCRATCH. SO LET'S FIND OUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE AND LET'S MAYBE FIGURE OUT WHAT DID WE LIKE AND, AND WHAT DON'T WE LIKE, WHAT'S GONNA WORK AND WHAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR OUR CITY. RIGHT. YEAH. HER TESTIMONY, SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE ALREADY SAID THEY MADE MISTAKES AND MM-HMM. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. YES. NO, SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON ON, ON JUNE 8TH, SO YEAH. UM, I'M SURE SHE'S BEEN HI DEBBIE ANN. YES, INDEED. ESPECIALLY AFTER RIGHT. THE SAME TESTIMONY. I SAW THAT EVERYWHERE. UM, SO WE HAVE A ROADMAP, UM, BECAUSE I DO WANNA HAVE A DRAFT OF THE, UH, INITIAL FINDINGS. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, OUT AT THE NEXT MEETING, I'LL BE WORKING ON THAT FOR THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. I PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THAT. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THAT TO ME. UM, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D WANT TO SEND OUT TO US? AND THEN WE SAY, HEY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THAT? IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? THAT IDEA BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. CAN'T DO THAT. WE CANNOT DO THAT. BECAUSE IF I SEND IT OUT, NOBODY YES. SO GO AHEAD TAMMY. YOU CAN SEND IT OUT TO I CAN, BUT IF THERE'S A REPLY, ALL YOU CANNOT HIT REPLY TO. ALL RIGHT. I WON'T. AND THEN PEOPLE START REPLY. SO CANNOT HIT REPLY TO ALL SO MY PHONE. BUT YOU CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND SHARE YOUR COMMENTS. YES. OH. OR YOU CAN EMAIL ME YOUR COMMENTS, JUST EMAIL 'EM TO ME AND DON'T HAVE EVERYONE ELSE COMMENT. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISIONS. YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU KIND OF LIKE WITH THE AGENDA, PEOPLE SAID, HEY, [01:30:01] I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS IN THE AGENDA. I THINK WE X SO WHEN YOU HAVE YOURS DONE, YOU COULD SAY, SEND IT OUT TO EVERYONE. THAT'S OKAY. YES. AND THEN CALL ME. YEAH. OR YOU CALL ME. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. CALL YOU. AND THEN YOU, YOU SAY, CALL ME WITH COMMENTS OR CAN YOU DO THAT? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT DOING GROUP CONVERSATION. NO REP APPLIES TO ALL. CORRECT. CORRECT. WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING OUTSIDE OF A MEETING. EXACTLY. EXACTLY. YEAH. UM, I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE DEFINITION. I THINK IDENTIFYING THE INITIAL REPORT THAT THERE'S A DEFINITION TO FIND, BUT WE MIGHT WORK TO BUILD ON IT. MM-HMM . I THINK ALSO, UM, THERE WAS A LARGE CONVERSATION SHARED FROM THE DEPARTMENT, DEVELOPMENTAL DEPARTMENT OF WHAT THE ALREADY IN PLACE PROCESS IS. I THINK ARTICULATING THAT IN THE FINDINGS, UM, THAT THAT'S WHERE WE SPENT A LOT OF OUR TIME. AND THEN ARTICULATING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON BUILDING A LIST AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THE MATRIX UPDATE IF THERE'S MORE THINGS. AND THAT HELPS US DRIVE TOWARDS, UM, THE ADDITIONAL THINGS WE WANNA FIND. SO THOSE WOULD BE OKAY. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS DOWN FOR REPORT. THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I WAS HEADED. SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS EVENING? JUST TO CLEAR THE WATER, THE, THERE WAS A WORD ON THE STREET THAT, WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? BUS WATER OR EAST WATER? HEADWATER. I HEAD WATER. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. I HEARD HEADWATER THAT OH, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE CITY AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT TO REST. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. RIGHT. SO IF ANYBODY SAYS TO ME ON THE STREET, HEY, I'VE BEEN TALKING, I CAN SAY NO THEY HAVE NOT. THAT CORRECT. I CAN SAID THEY HAVEN'T BEEN TALKING TO KYLE. THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER MY QUESTION. EXACTLY. I CAN'T CITY, I MEAN, THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE DEFINITELY HAVE INDICATED THEY THINK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. I MEAN, BUT I CAN SAY THAT, THAT THAT'S FIVE PEOPLE HERE IN THE ROOM. THE CITY. RIGHT. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF MELISSA ANDERSON. I'D SAY EVEN THERE'S THE ADMINISTRATION AND THERE'S COUNCIL. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. COUNCIL HAS NOT BEEN SET PRIVY TO ANYTHING ABOUT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE COUNCIL NECESSARILY. IT WOULD BE THE CITY ADMINISTRATORS. AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT HAS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY NEW APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED? NO. THERE CAN'T BE. OKAY. RIGHT. BUT THEY CAN'T. RIGHT. 'CAUSE OF THE, WE'VE DONE NO WORK ON DATA CENTERS. THEY COULD TRY TO, WELL, THEY COULD SUBMIT IT PROBABLY. YEAH. IT WON'T, THERE WON'T BE PROCESS. IT WON'T. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY COULD. BUT THAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE HASN'T EVEN BEEN AN APPLICATION. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM APPLYING. CORRECT. NO MATTER WHAT WE, WE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, WE HEAR THE SAME THINGS ON THE STREET THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING. MM-HMM. AND I JUST WANT GET TO THE TRUTH. YEAH. THAT'S THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE. SOMEONE, IT'S IN THE CLOUD. HOW ABOUT THE RAINBOW? SO FOR THE DATA CENTER, DATA , CAN WE JUST CONFIRM WHAT THE AGENDA'S GONNA BE? YEAH. SO WHAT'S OUR HOMEWORK AGAIN? WE, OUR HOMEWORK IS TO WATCH NO, UH, THE MAY 27TH TESTIMONY AND OUR TAMMY'S GONNA SEND THAT OUT TO US. SHE, SHE WILL RESEND THE LINK TO THE IT SENT ON THE 31ST OF JULY, MAY 27TH. AND IF YOU WANNA ADD JENNIFER CHRYSLER, SINCE WE MIGHT NOT GET TO TALK TO HER IN PERSON AS WE HAD INITIALLY PLANNED. SHE'S THE FIRST PERSON ON JUNE 8TH. SO, AND, AND MY, I THINK THAT IS, UH, THE INITIAL HOMEWORK TO DO. UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, AT SIX O'CLOCK THOUGH, AT THE MEETING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, PRESENTATION HOPEFULLY FROM EH AND T. YES. UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THAT'S A 30 TO 45 MINUTE PRESENTATION. UM, AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, WE WILL USE THE MATRIX AND, UM, MO'S EMAIL TOGETHER TO KIND OF GET A PLAN PRIOR, PRIORITIZE THAT MATRIX AND FIRM UP THE FUTURE SPEAKERS, WHICH WE HOPE TO HAVE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, UM, A EE, UM, AND THEN PLAN FOR THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION AND CONCERNS, UM, YOU KNOW, MAP THOSE MEETINGS OUT SO WE CAN GET THOSE DATES OUT TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN ATTEND WHEN WE HAVE EXPERTS OR WHEN, AND WE ARE GONNA TRY TO PRIORITIZE. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. SO I THINK AT OUR NEXT MEETING, THIS IS PRIOR HOMEWORK AS WELL. LOOKING AT THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING? IS THERE ANYTHING SOMEBODY ELSE SEES THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO THIS? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE COLLAPSED DOWN? AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, BUT WE HAVE ALL, WE CAN ALL LOOK AT THIS AND SAY WHAT ELSE COULD BE ADDED OR HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE? HOW ABOUT IF WE ALL PRIORITIZE IT OURSELVES AND IT COMES TO THE MEETING AND GET IT ON A WALL AND, AND THEN FIND OUT WHAT IS, CAN WE DO THAT? GOOD IDEA. GOOD IDEA. SURE. YEAH. THAT'S REALLY, YOU JUST TICK 'EM OFF AND SEE, SEE WHERE, AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE A TOWN HALL IN GROVE CITY, WE'VE GOT ONE COMING UP WITH THE BOND [01:35:01] ISSUE. YOU ALL CAN GO TO AND SEE HOW THEY RUN THAT. YEAH. UM, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE, UM, LET ME THINK. FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS YEAH, THE 12TH. AND IS THE SCHOOL THE 12TH? 12TH. I I WAS HOPING THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE MIGHT JUST NONCHALANTLY FLIP THAT OUT THERE. , IT'S THE 12TH AND IT'S, UM, IT IS A, THERE IS A REGISTRATION AVAILABLE AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE'S, I COULD SEND YOU THE REGISTRATION, UH, BUT YOU COULD SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY MAYBE IF PEOPLE WANT IT. NO, YEAH, I DON'T MIND SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A TOWN HALL AND IT MIGHT KIND OF GIVE US A FEEL FOR WHAT? AND IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY IS PROBABLY PRETTY FAT AND IT'S MORE ON FINANCIAL. AND WHAT IS MET STAR IS THE NINTH. SIX TO EIGHT AT THE CAREER CENTER. OKAY. YOU SAID THE NINTH. THE 9TH OF SEPTEMBER. SIX TO EIGHT AT THE CAREER CENTER. AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR IT. YES. UM, OUR NEXT MEETING'S THE 16TH. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. TWO WEEKS OF TODAY AND TOMORROW IS THE SPECIAL, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING? YES. AND THAT'S AT FIVE 30? YES. FIVE 30. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT WAS SO EARLY OR GOOD QUESTION. GREAT QUESTION. THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. OH, AN ANSWER FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT THE PRESIDENT BARRY SAID TO PUT OUT. WHERE IS HE TED, WHEN WE NEED IT. . SORRY. YOU'RE OKAY. I AGREE. ANYTHING ELSE? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL A, ANYONE OPPOSED SAY AYE. AYE. FULL SAME TIME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.