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          ARE YOU READY FOR ROLL CALL? YES. 
          MR. HILLARD? HERE. 
          MS. BENJAMIN? HERE. 
          MR. ROACH? HERE. 
          MR. FLEMING. 
          MR. WILHELM. 
          MS. SEGAL? HERE. 
          MS. CHESTER? HERE. 
          MR. SHEETS? HERE. 
          MR. MCCLURE? HERE. 
          MR. BARRY? HERE. 
          MS. ANDERSON? HERE. 
          MS. BURROWS? HERE. 
          MR. LINGA? MR. HOLT? MR. OMAR? HERE. 
          MR. STERN. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST, I WANNA THANK YOUR FLEXIBILITY, ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN OUR SETS. 
          UH, SO 
          [Review of City Water Services]
I CAN INTRODUCE TO YOU RYAN ANDREWS. 
          UH, ARE YOU YEAH, I'LL GO CHARGE. 
          YEAH, I'LL GO AHEAD AND START. 
          OKAY. 
          RYAN HT HT IS OUR CONSULTING ENGINEERING FIRM, THE CITY DOING WITH US FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          SOMEWHERE AROUND 40 ALMOST. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY. 
          SURE. 
          UH, OH, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I FORGOT ABOUT SHANE. 
          AND SHANE SPENCER IS ALSO HERE TO ASSIST THIS EVENING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL JUST START OFF, UM, JUST KIND OF INTRODUCING, UM, MYSELF AND SHANE AND THEN JUST WALK THROUGH, UM, KIND OF OUR ROLE WITH THE CITY AND HOW WE SUPPORT THE CITY, UM, ON, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF FRONTS. 
          BUT ONE OF THEM IS CERTAINLY UTILITY PLANNING AND, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEWS. 
          UM, I GUESS FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS PRESENTATION, WHEN I TALK ABOUT UTILITIES, I'M, I'M SAYING, UM, IT'S REALLY WATER AND, AND SANITARY SEWER FOR THE MOST PART. 
          SO, UM, OH, SEVERAL TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION IT'LL REFERENCE UTILITY, UH, BUT JUST JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S KIND OF OUR, OUR BLANKET TERM FOR WATER AND SEWER. 
          SO, UM, LIKE TAMMY SAID, MY NAME'S RYAN ANDREWS. 
          I'M WITH EMH AND T. 
          UM, I SERVE AS THE CONSULTING CITY ENGINEER FOR GROVE CITY. 
          UH, THAT'S A ROLE THAT WE AS A FIRM HAVE HAD WITH THE CITY FOR NEARLY 40 YEARS. 
          UM, I HAVE PERSONALLY BEEN WORKING IN AND WITH GROVE CITY, UM, AND INVOLVED IN UTILITY PLANNING AND, AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS FOR THE CITY FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS. 
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UM, SHANE IS HERE. 
          UH, HE DOES A LOT OF REGIONAL WATER PLANNING FOR THE FIRM, AND, UM, WE, WE ARE PRETTY WELL ENTRENCHED IN CENTRAL OHIO. 
          WE ARE A COLUMBUS BASED FIRM, AND I THINK WE'RE THE BIGGEST, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM THAT IS ACTUALLY BASED OUT OF, OUT OF OHIO. 
          AND SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT REGIONALLY. 
          UM, AND SHANE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND JUST SOME OF THE PLANNING EXERCISES THAT HE'S, HE'S WORKED ON, ON A, ON A REGIONAL BASIS FOR SOME OF THE OTHER SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES AND, AND CITY OF COLUMBUS AS WELL. 
          SO, OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY IS, AGAIN, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PLANNING HISTORY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, UH, PLAN FOR EXPANSION IN THE CITY, HOW WE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT COMES TO WATER AND, UM, WATER DISTRIBUTION AND, AND SEWER COLLECTION. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, SHANE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE WORK THAT HE'S DONE WITHIN THE REGION. 
          AND THEN, UM, I'M GONNA PRESENT A FEW, UH, SLIDES THAT ARE REALLY SPECIFIC TO THE GROVE CITY WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, THE SANITARY COLLECTION SYSTEM. 
          I'LL TALK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY COORDINATION THAT HAPPENED WITH THE HEADWATERS DEVELOPMENT, UH, PRIOR TO THE MORATORIUM. 
          AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, COLUMBUS'S WATER REUSE PROJECT, UM, WHICH, UM, IS IN THE VICINITY OF GROVE CITY AND, AND MAY, MAY ULTIMATELY, IF, WHEN IT, WHEN, OR IF IT DOES COME TO FRUITION, UH, YOU KNOW, MAY CREATE SOME OPPORTUNITIES, UH, FOR RECYCLED WATER USE, UM, IN THE AREA. 
          FEEL FREE TO STOP ME AT ANY POINT AND ASK QUESTIONS TO YOU. 
          I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THIS MORE CONVERSATIONAL AS WELL, RATHER THAN ME JUST PRESENTING. 
          WE, WE WILL OBVIOUSLY LEAVE TIME FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING ON A SLIDE OR IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN. 
          UM, SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UH, I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS STUFF IN THE INTRODUCTION. 
          WE ARE CELEBRATING A MILESTONE YEAR AT MH AND T THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S OUR HUNDREDTH ANNIVERSARY. 
          UM, AND, AND AS I SAID, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GROVE CITY FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS. 
          UM, WHAT OUR ROLE AS CONSULTING CITY ENGINEER DOES IS IT GIVES GROVE CITY ACCESS TO OVER 300 PROFESSIONALS IN OUR FIRM. 
          UH, MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OR CONSIDERED REGIONALLY AS, AS EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD. 
          UM, AND WE'RE SORT OF A, WE'RE A FULL SERVICE FIRM. 
          UM, WE, WE DO ENVIRONMENTAL WATER RESOURCES, UTILITY PLANNING, FLOODPLAIN PLANNING, TRANSPORTATION, UM, AND, AND REALLY, REALLY HAVE, UM, THAT WHOLE GROUP UNDER ONE ROOF. 
          UM, SO WE DO A LOT, A LOT OF CROSS COLLABORATION BETWEEN TEAMS TO HELP SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES WHERE WE SERVE AS, AS CITY ENGINEER. 
          SO IN OUR ROLE AS CONSULTING CITY ENGINEER, I KIND OF BREAK IT. 
          I'M BREAKING IT DOWN. 
          THE NEXT FOUR BULLETS ON THE SLIDE KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE DO. 
          SO A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO IS UTILITY MASTER PLANNING. 
          UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY AND QUITE FRANKLY, CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE INTERACTION BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND GROVE CITY THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION. 
          BUT WE ARE PART OF THEIR PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM, AND WE ALSO ARE PART OF THEIR, THEIR PUBLIC, UH, SANITARY, UH, COLLECTION SYSTEM AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, LOT OF INTERACTION BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES ON PLANNING. 
          AND, UH, WE CERTAINLY GET INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THAT AND DO A LOT OF CROSS CROSS COLLABORATION WITH, WITH THEIR TEAM AT COLUMBUS. 
          UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT JUST GENERAL CONSULTING AND PLANNING. 
          WE DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING FOR THE CITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HELP THE CITY WITH, WITH STUDIES ON STORM WATER AND SEWER AND, AND OTHER THINGS, UH, TRANSPORTATION STUDIES. 
          WE'RE WORKING ON A THOROUGHFARE PLAN RIGHT NOW FOR GROVE CITY. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT OF GENERAL CONSULTING THAT KIND OF FALLS UNDERNEATH THE UMBRELLA OF WHAT WE DO. 
          AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WHEN THE, WHEN PROJECTS DO GO TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, UH, WE'LL DO A LOT OF THE, UM, THE DESIGN. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE AN IN-HOUSE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES GROUP THAT DOES INSPECTION AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE, UH, FUNDED IN BID BY GROVE CITY. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, UH, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REVIEW SERVICES. 
          I KNOW KYLE GAVE A PRESENTATION A A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, OR MAYBE A MONTH AGO, A, THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND THE PLANNING, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION PROCESS WE'RE CERTAINLY VERY WELL, VERY INVOLVED IN THAT. 
          UM, FROM THE BEGINNING, FROM THE TIME A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMES IN THROUGH FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WE'RE PART OF THE RET REVIEW TEAM FOR THAT AND DO A LOT OF WORK, UH, COORDINATING WITH DEVELOPERS, UH, BETWEEN THE CITY AND DEVELOPERS. 
          SO I DID WANNA START JUST BRIEFLY BY, AGAIN, REITERATING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN COLUMBUS AND GROVE CITY. 
          AS 
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I SAID, THEY ARE VERY MUCH CONNECTED. 
          UM, WE HAVE A WATER AND SEWER AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS. 
          AND IN THOSE AGREEMENTS, UH, ON THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SIDE, COLUMBUS TREATS AND SUPPLIES DOMESTIC WATER TO GROVE CITY. 
          AND THEN IT ALSO RECEIVES AND TREATS WASTEWATER THROUGH THE SANITARY SYSTEM. 
          UH, WE, GROVE CITY, UH, OWNS AND MAINTAINS ALL OF THE WATER DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY. 
          SO ALL OF THE PIPE, UM, THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS IN FRIAR PARK AND WINDSOR PARK ARE OWNED BY GROVE CITY AND MAINTAINED BY GROVE CITY, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, AND ON THE SEWER COLLECTION SIDE, OF COURSE, ALL OF THE SEWER PIPE MANHOLES, UM, AND, AND ALL THAT, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT EVENTUALLY CONVEYS THE WASTEWATER TO, TO COLUMBUS. 
          UM, AND, AND AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE DO A LOT OF PLANNING. 
          COLUMBUS DOES A LOT OF REGIONAL PLANNING. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE REGION. 
          AND SO THEY'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THEIR WATER MASTER PLANNING AND, AND SEWER PLANNING. 
          UH, THEY'RE DOING PROJECTS, UH, TO EVALUATE, UH, PLANT UPGRADES, OR, OR NOW WE'RE DOING A FOURTH WATER, OR THEY'RE DOING A FOURTH WATER PLANT IN COLUMBUS, OF COURSE. 
          UM, AND THEY DO GET INPUT FROM GROVE CITY ON WHAT WE THINK OUR GROWTH PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE, AND HOW WE THINK, UH, OUR SEWER DEMANDS AND WATER DEMANDS ARE GONNA CHANGE OVER TIME. 
          SO, UH, IT IS A VERY COLLABORATIVE, UM, SITUATION AND SH AND SHANE AND I BOTH GET INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THAT COORDINATION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, RYAN. 
          UM, APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TONIGHT TO, TO SPEAK. 
          UM, I GUESS I'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW 23, 24 YEARS. 
          UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS I TALK ABOUT PLANNING AND MY EXPERIENCE, UH, IN, IN THE ENGINEERING, UH, REALM HERE IN CENTRAL OHIO IS A LOT OF TRENDS I'VE SEEN OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE YEARS, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO UTILITIES AND PLANNING. 
          I THINK BACK TO, UM, PRE 2008 AND THE RECESSION AND, AND THE, THE BIG HOUSING BOOM THAT WAS OCCURRING THEN, AND HOW A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOUSING, A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS, THE PRESSURES. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THE PLANNING TRENDS FOCUSED ON THAT. 
          AND SO A LOT OF TIMES FROM THE ENGINEERING, UH, PERSPECTIVE, WE, WE DO REACT TO WHAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF A REGION IS OR WHAT THE TRENDS ARE, WHAT THE COMMUNITIES WANT. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, I'VE HAD THE, I GUESS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND CENTRAL OHIO. 
          AND EACH ONE, OF COURSE, HAS A DIFFERENT PERSONALITY. 
          UH, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, PHYSICAL TOPOGRAPHICAL CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, BUT I HAVE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, UH, BEEN DOING PROJECTS, UH, UH, IN GROVE CITY FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS. 
          SO, UH, LIKE RYAN, I, I KNOW THE COMMUNITY PRETTY WELL, SO, UM, BUT IN RECENT TIMES, UM, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF REGIONAL, UM, I'LL SAY WATER AND SEWER PLANNING. 
          UM, AND WHAT'S SOME OF THE IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, OF COURSE, IS, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? SO WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS, UM, IN SHORT TERM, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO THINK IN TERMS OF LONG TERM, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALWAYS A VERY BIG INVESTMENT, UM, FOR ANY COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO TRY TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE THE BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, WE ALWAYS LEARN WE'RE NEVER EXACTLY RIGHT WHEN WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO DO THE BEST, BEST WE CAN. 
          UM, WHEN WE DO, WHEN I SAY REGIONAL OR LARGE SCALE WATER AND SEWER PLANNING, UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USE PROJECTIONS. 
          THAT'S WHAT DRIVES THE, THE WATER NEEDS. 
          COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST WE'RE LOOKING AT LAND USE PROJECTIONS? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND SO OFTENTIMES WATER AND SEWER PLANNING IS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OR RIGHT AFTER UPDATES TO COMMUNITY PLANTS, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF TIMES, WHILE UTILITY CONSTRAINTS CAN BE A DRIVER OR, OR A FACTOR IN MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS, OFTENTIMES IT'S, WE'RE CHARGED AS ENGINEERS IS FIGURE OUT THE SOLUTION. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO BE OR NOT TO BE. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE ARE SEEING, AND, AND I THINK I'VE GOT ANOTHER SLIDE TO THIS, THERE IS A LOT OF COMMUNITY PLAN UPDATES GOING ON IN CENTRAL OHIO WITH A LOT OF THE COMMUNITIES JUST BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES ARE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, THE PERSONALITIES OF COMMUNITIES ARE CHANGING AS GROWTH GOES ON. 
          UH, AND SO THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF THIS GOING ON, UH, HERE IN RECENT TIMES. 
          UM, RYAN STARTED TOUCHING ON IT THOUGH, BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE WAY COLUMBUS IS FORMATTED, OF COURSE, BOTH FROM THE UTILITY, UH, RELATIONSHIP, WATER AND SEWER, BUT ALSO GEOGRAPHICALLY ON HOW YOU HAVE COLUMBUS, WHICH IS GENERALLY CENTRALIZED, AND YOU HAVE SO MANY OF THE SUBURBS AROUND THE OUTSIDE. 
          AND COLUMBUS IS, I DON'T WANNA SAY UNIQUE, BUT IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A LOT OF LARGER CITIES WHERE YOU TYPICALLY WILL HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, YOU THINK CLEVELAND, OF COURSE, RIGHT? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LAKE TO THE NORTH, YOU'RE 
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NOT GROWING TO THE NORTH. 
          UH, COLUMBUS REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THOSE CONSTRAINTS, UH, FOR GROWTH. 
          AND SO YOU SEE A LOT OF THOSE PRESSURES ARE ON THE PERIPHERY. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE OUR WATER AND SEWER PROVIDER IS THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, ALL THIS PLANNING THAT THESE COMMUNITIES DO, WHICH THEY DO INDEPENDENT FROM A LAND USE FROM COLUMBUS, WE HAVE TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY OF COLUMBUS ON THE WATER AND SEWER PLANNING AND FEEDBACK TO THEIRS. 
          UH, RYAN MENTIONED THE RELATIONSHIP ON THE WATER SIDE. 
          COLUMBUS TREATS THE WATER THAT WE DRINK, SO WE'RE SUBJECT TO WHAT COLUMBUS CAN PROVIDE US, AND WHEN THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT MAY BE IMPACTING THINGS 20 AND 30 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT PLANNING AND WE HAVE TO FEED BACK WHAT, UH, THE REGIONAL, LOCAL COMMUNITIES ARE DOING. 
          SO IT'S A VERY, UH, COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIP, OR MUST BE, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          AND THEN, AS I KIND OF MENTIONED, UM, A LOT OF TIMES I'VE SEEN WHERE UTILITY PLANNING IS KIND OF DONE AT THE TAIL END OF COMMUNITY PLANNING. 
          UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, IT COULD BE A SUPPLY CONSTRAINT, IT COULD BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRAINT. 
          UM, BUT IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE, WHAT THOSE ARE, AND MAYBE WHAT SOLUTIONS ARE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, WHAT COSTS, UH, THOSE SOLUTIONS HAVE TIED TO THEM. 
          SO, UM, SO CURRENT TRENDS, A FEW OF THESE THINGS I, I KIND OF TOUCHED ON. 
          UM, AGAIN, BEEN HE, I PERSONALLY, I'VE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AROUND, UH, COLUMBUS AS, AS RYAN MENTIONED, UH, OUR FIRM A HUNDRED YEARS, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF UNIQUE IN THIS, UH, ENVIRONMENT OF, OF MERGERS AND OTHER THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, PERSONALLY I'VE HAD HEAVY INVOLVEMENT. 
          GROVE CITY, NEW ALBANY, DUBLIN GROVE PORT. 
          AGAIN, EACH COMMUNITY IS SO DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE EVEN WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT THEY'RE THINKING, LAND USE, UM, AND THEN HOW YOU INTEND IN TURN PLAN THE UTILITIES. 
          I JUST, ONE EXAMPLE YOU USE THERE IS GROVEPORT. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND GROVE PORT'S KNOWN FOR LOGISTICS. 
          YOU'VE GOT RICKENBACKER RIGHT THERE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF LARGE FORMAT BUILDINGS, WAREHOUSES. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A DIFFERENT BIG DRIVER IN GROVEPORT WITH THEIR, WHAT HAS BEEN THEIR LAND USE PLANNING AND THEIR UTILITY NEEDS TEND TO BE PRETTY LOW, UH, NEEDS FOR THE UTILITIES THERE. 
          SO, UH, IT CAN, SO THAT'S HOW THIS, THIS INFLUENCES AND HOW EACH COMMUNITY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. 
          OF COURSE, NEW ALBANY, RIGHT? A LOT GOING ON UP THERE. 
          UM, BOTH FROM DATA CENTERS TO BIOPHARM, UH, MANUFACTURING TO, OF COURSE, INTEL. 
          SO THERE'S A BROAD SPECTRUM OF WHAT I'LL SAY IS THIS NEW TREND, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALL CLUSTERED UP THERE. 
          SO CHALLENGES, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IN THESE COMMUNITIES IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING. 
          UH, AS I MENTIONED, CHANGING LAND USE DEMAND EQUALS COMMUNITY PLANNING. 
          OH, SURE, SURE. 
          SHANE. 
          UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, DOES NEW ALBANY PULL FROM COLUMBUS? YES. 
          YES. 
          THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES AROUND YEAH. 
          THAT HAVE THEIR OWN WATER, SO, SO, YEAH. 
          SO, UM, GOOD QUESTION. 
          UH, CANAL WINCHESTER HAS THEIR OWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          THEY'RE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT FROM COLUMBUS'. 
          I'M THINKING OF TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER KIND OF THE SUBURBS. 
          UM, CITY OF GROVE PORT'S A SPLIT COMMUNITY. 
          SO I MENTIONED THE WAREHOUSE AREA BASICALLY WOULD BE WEST OF HAMILTON ROAD IS FED BY COLUMBUS. 
          SOME OF IT COMES AROUND, BUT THE OLD PART OF GROVE PORT'S FED BY THEIR OWN TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, PICKERINGTON HAS THEIR OWN PLANT. 
          UM, THOSE ARE COMMUNITIES I I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH. 
          AS YOU GO TO THE NORTH, YOU DO HAVE, UM, DELCO WATER FEEDS, UH, POWELL, UM, POLARIS IS FED BY COLUMBUS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S IN DELAWARE COUNTY. 
          UM, BUT DELCO WATER'S A COMPLETELY SEPARATE WATER UTILITY. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TREATMENT FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING UP THERE. 
          UM, PLAIN CITY, WHICH IS NOW KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BECOMING ONE OF THOSE SUBURBS. 
          UM, THEY ACTUALLY MERGE WITH LONDON AND UNION COUNTY. 
          I THINK THEY'RE MIDOHIO UTILITIES FOR WATER AND SEWER NOW. 
          SO THEY KIND OF GOT TOGETHER AND COMBINED THEIR SYSTEMS FROM A MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          BUT, UM, A VAST MAJORITY OF WHAT I'D SAY, THE TRADITIONAL SUBURBS ARE FED BY COLUMBUS AND HAVE DIFFERENT FORMS OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, SO NO PROBLEM. 
          UM, BUT AS I MENTIONED, CHANGING LAND USE DEMAND EQUALS COMMUNITY PLANNING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING A LOT. 
          I KNOW THE GROVE CITY 2050 PLAN, WE HAVE A SNIPPET THERE, OF COURSE. 
          UM, DOUBLING JUST DID ENVISION DUBLIN. 
          UM, YOU SEE A LOT OF THESE COMMUNITIES TACKLING THESE LAND USE PLANNING EXERCISES BECAUSE THE TRENDS HAVE CHANGED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DEMANDS OF OF, OF THE COMMUNITY ARE CHANGE. 
          AND SO IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THESE AREAS AND WE EVEN LOOK AT UTILITY DEMANDS, AND WE LOOK AT THIS FAR OUT, THIS HORIZON, UM, 2050, RIGHT? FOR, FOR GROVE CITY. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT BEFORE 2050 HITS, THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          SO WE EVEN LOOK AT THESE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE AND WE TALK THINGS OF LIKE FULL BUILD OUT AND STUFF. 
          WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ANOTHER PLANNING EXERCISE BEFORE WE EVEN GET THERE. 
          UM, THE, THE LIFESPAN OF THESE, 
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UH, PARTICULARLY THE UTILITIES, WHAT I'VE SEEN, I'VE, I'VE GONE BACK FOR ITERATION TWO NOW IN MY CAREER AT SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE 15 YEARS PLUS OR MINUS TENDS TO BE KIND OF THE CYCLE THAT YOU GO ON WHERE YOU HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THINGS AGAIN. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF IT GOING ON, OF COURSE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, TECHNOLOGY, MODERN DEVELOPMENTS, DATA CENTERS, HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING, THAT'S WHERE I'D THROW LIKE THE INTEL, THE ANDRO, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          UM, AND THEN THE HEALTH AND LIFE SCIENCES, WHICH IS REALLY KIND OF A, UH, I'LL SAY A BURGEONING, UH, INDUSTRY HERE IN, IN CENTRAL OHIO, UM, REQUIRES SOME, SOME, WHAT I'LL SAY IS SOME VERY SKILLED WORKERS FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMPANIES LOOKING. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT OR UNIQUE, UH, INDUSTRY THAT WE HADN'T DEALT WITH, UH, AS MUCH IN THE, IN THE PAST AND WHAT I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE PERIPHERAL GROWTH. 
          WE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE, UH, THE CONSTRAINTS ON THE BOUNDARIES LIKE A LOT OF LARGE CITIES DO. 
          UM, SO AS ALWAYS, WHAT COLUMBUS IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GROWING OUTWARD, UM, AND THAT'S HAPPENING KIND OF ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, THE CENTRAL HIGH PERFORM AREA. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SURE. 
          UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THIS? SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, WHEN YOU SAY, WHEN YOU SAY THERE ARE MODERN DEVELOPMENTS LIKE DATA CENTERS AND HIGH TECH MANUFACTURINGS CURRENTLY, IS GROVE CITY POSED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COMES IN OR WOULD MORE, UM, UTILITY TO SURE. 
          SO I KNOW RYAN'S GONNA TOUCH ON EVEN SOME SPECIFICS TO THAT, BUT THAT, THAT IS THE CRUX OF THE QUESTION. 
          IN REALITY, THAT'S WHY WE DO PLANNING. 
          AND I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS PRECISELY WHAT AND WHERE AND HOW DO THEY USE OR DELIVER UTILITIES, MEANING HOW DO THEY USE WATER AND HOW DO THEY DISCHARGE SANITARY? AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE ONE THING, AND THAT WAS MY NEXT SLIDE, I WAS ALREADY STARTING TO GET THERE A LITTLE BIT IN THAT THINGS GET LUMPED INTO BUCKETS. 
          I LIKE THE TERM A BUCKET, AND WE'RE GONNA THROW THINGS IN A BUCKET, AND THEN IT ALL GETS TREATED THE SAME. 
          I MEAN, THE SAME TERM WOULD BE STEREOTYPING, RIGHT? UM, AND WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO IS KIND OF PEEL BACK THE LAYERS AND START UNDERSTANDING THE FACTS AND EXACTLY WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE OR ARE NOT, OR WHAT THE UTILITY DEMANDS OF A VERY SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT MAY BE. 
          SO THAT THEREIN LIES THE, THE, THE KEY POINT OF THE QUESTION, BECAUSE THE ANSWER TO THAT IS DIFFERENT. 
          IF YOU'RE TALKING ON, AND I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THIS ANY SPECIFICALLY, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT STRING TOWN ROAD VERSUS ORDERS ROAD OR DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE, THE ANSWER'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USE IS. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, YEP. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY, UM, TECHNOLOGY BASED DEVELOPMENT, UTILITY PLANNING. 
          UM, SO THE WATER AND SER, AND THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE AND I'VE, I'VE WORKED WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES AS QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP. 
          UM, AND THE FIRST THING I, AS I WAS JUST ALLUDING TO WITH MY BUCKET ANALOGY IS A LOT OF THEM TEND TO BE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE LEARNED EVEN I WOULD SAY HERE IN THE LAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS, EVEN VERY SPECIFICALLY WHAT QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING OF THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE END USER SAYING, HOW DO YOU USE YOUR WATER? HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU USE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER'S A NUMBER, BUT I, I'LL, THERE, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME CRITICALITY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT IS. 
          UM, I HAVE JUST A EXAMPLE GRAPH THERE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A GRAPH OF WATER USAGE OR POTENTIAL FLOW. 
          AND, AND YOU HAVE A TIME PERIOD. 
          AND SO EVEN FROM A WATER PERSPECTIVE, WE SEE, OF COURSE, SEASONAL VARIATION IN HOW MUCH WATER'S USED. 
          BUT YOU HAVE DAILY VARIATION IN HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE. 
          THERE'S A NATURAL PATTERN TO WATER USAGE JUST IN ANY COMMUNITY. 
          AND IF YOU EVEN THINK HOW YOU USE WATER AS AN INDIVIDUAL, UM, AND YOU COULD PLOT IT. 
          AND THIS IS KIND OF THE, THE MENTAL PICTURE I TRY TO GIVE PEOPLE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONAL DAY, YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING, RIGHT? GET A SHOWER, EVERYBODY'S GETTING READY FOR SCHOOL AND STUFF. 
          YOUR, YOUR WATER, YOUR HOUSEHOLD WATER USAGE IS PRETTY HIGH. 
          LEAVE THE HOUSE, GO TO WORK, YOU'RE AT YOUR OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
          GET A DRINK OF COFFEE, USE THE RESTROOM, RIGHT? YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE USING FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. 
          MAYBE YOU GO TO LUNCH, RIGHT? SO THERE'S SOME WATER USED TO PREPARE YOUR LUNCH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO YOU, SO YOU'RE UP, YOU WAKE UP, YOU KIND OF GO UP, DROP DOWN, MAYBE A LITTLE BACK, A LITTLE BACK UP AROUND LUNCHTIME, GO BACK TO THE OFFICE, YOUR WATER USAGE IS PROBABLY DOWN, GO HOME FOR THE EVENING, PREPARE DINNER, KIDS GETTING BATHS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          YOUR WATER USAGE GOES BACK UP. 
          WE CALL THIS THE DIURNAL DEMAND PATTERN. 
          'CAUSE YOU END UP WITH TWO PEAKS IN THE COURSE OF A DAY, AND THEN YOU GO TO SLEEP, WATER USAGE GOES WAY DOWN. 
          AND 
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SO THIS IS WHERE WHEN WE REALLY START THINKING ABOUT HOW WATER SYSTEMS OPERATE AND HOW WE PLAN FOR THINGS, WE HAVE TO START UNDERSTANDING WHEN AND HOW MUCH WATER PEOPLE ARE USING. 
          AND THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM IS, IS VERY SIMILAR BECAUSE PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOUR WATER USAGE CORRELATES TO, WHAT'S GOING DOWN THE DRAIN. 
          UM, AND SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS AS AGAIN, YOU PEEL BACK THE LAYERS WHEN YOU SEE THESE DEVELOPMENTS OR THESE QUESTIONS COME UP TO COMMUNITIES, CAN WE ACCOMMODATE THIS? THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE START ASKING. 
          UM, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN A LOT MORE SOPHISTICATED, UM, IN ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY MEAN. 
          UM, AND THEN SOMETIMES IF THE ANSWER IS, EH, THAT USAGE DOESN'T FIT WELL, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING TO, WE USE TERMS LIKE SHAVE YOUR PEAK, MEANING CAN YOU PUT SOME STORAGE? COULD YOU USE MORE WATER OVERNIGHT WHEN OUR RESIDENTS AREN'T USING AS MUCH WATER? THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WHICH ARE WAYS TO TRY TO, UM, WHAT I'LL SAY FROM THE SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE INSTEAD OF THE BIG PEAKS. 
          RIGHT? TRY TO LEVEL IT A LITTLE MORE IF YOU CAN. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE BULLET THERE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING SPECIFIC WATER AND SEWER USE PATTERNS. 
          UM, SPECIFICALLY THE DATA CENTERS. 
          I'VE SEEN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          UM, IN SOME COMMUNITIES WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT, WE'VE GENERALLY, WE'VE DEVELOPED FORMS AND SAY, HEY, YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE DEVELOPMENT ON A PROPERTY, FILL THIS FORM OUT AND TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING TO USE WATER AND SEWER. 
          UM, AND I'VE SEEN THINGS, YOU KNOW, WITH DATA CENTERS SURE. 
          HIGH WATER USAGE. 
          I'VE SEEN CONSTANT WATER USAGE. 
          I'VE SEEN HIGH PEAK WATER USAGE, AND I'VE SEEN ALMOST NO WATER USAGE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE WATER AND SEWER PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, TERMS THAT YOU HEAR HYPERSCALE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, MICRO MODULAR CENTERS, UM, ALMOST LIKE A BOUTIQUE DATA CENTER, I'D CALL IT, TO WHERE THEY'RE REALLY SMALL SCALE, UM, TEND TO NOT USE MUCH WATER AT ALL. 
          UM, SURE. 
          YES. 
          SO WHEN IT COMES TO, LIKE GOLF COURSES YEAH. 
          AND, AND WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF COURSES, WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF COURSES. 
          ANYHOW, I'LL SPEAK LOUD. 
          SURE. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF COURSES AND THINGS, ARE THOSE TREATED THE SAME AS A, AS A DATA CENTER OR SOMEPLACE OR, OR AN ENTITY LIKE THAT? BEING THAT THERE ARE HIGH USAGE OF WATER, UM, IN MY EXPERIENCE, MOST OF THE GOLF COURSES HAVE THEIR OWN IRRIGATION SYSTEM, IF THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY CONSUMPTION OF WATER TO WATER FAIRWAYS GREENS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO USUALLY IT'S A PUMP SYSTEM THROUGH PONDS, UH, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          NOW, IF YOU ASK LIKE ANY WATER USER, YOU THINK ABOUT COLUMBUS, UM, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE LISTENED TO CERTAINLY, I KNOW A LOT OF THE STAFF AND THE ENGINEERING STAFF AT THE DIVISION OF WATER AND PUBLIC UTILITIES. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO ASK THEM, WHO'S YOUR BIGGEST USERS OF WATER ON THE SYSTEM? IF YOU WENT BACK 10 TO 15 YEARS AGO, ANYBODY, GUESS WHAT NUMBER ONE IS HAS BUS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          RIGHT? WE ALL LIKE BEER A LITTLE HERE AND THERE. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? ANHEUSER-BUSCH. 
          ANHEUSER, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. 
          PRECISELY. 
          MILLION GALLONS OF BEER, THAT WHAT IT IS. 
          SO ONE OF THE OTHER BIG ONES. 
          AND RIGHT WHEN YOU THINK OF LIKE CITY OF COLUMBUS PROVIDING WATER, I ACTUALLY, I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE THEY'LL TELL YOU, WHICH YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF AS A CUSTOMER IS OSU, BECAUSE OSU IS MASTER METER AND THEY JUST SEND WATER INTO CAMPUS. 
          BUT THAT'S LIKE A CITY IN A CITY REALLY, BUT SINGLE ENTITY ANHEUSER-BUSCH. 
          UM, HOW MUCH WATER DOES ANHEUSER-BUSCH USE? TWO HALF MILLION. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I COULDN'T HAVE RATTLED OFF THE TOP. 
          SO YEAH. 
          UM, PEPSI IS ANOTHER BIG ONE IN CENTRAL OHIO. 
          SOME OF THE HOSPITALS, UM, MEDICAL CENTERS TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER. 
          UM, I COULDN'T QUOTE EVERY NUMBER, BUT THAT IS LIKE 10 YEARS AGO. 
          IF YOU ASKED STAFF LIKE, WHAT ARE YOUR BIG WATER USERS? THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT RATTLE OFF. 
          UM, I'VE DONE CERTAINLY WORK IN COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF CENTRAL OHIO, UM, WHERE THERE'S SOMETIMES A LITTLE MORE, UH, FOOD MANUFACTURING. 
          UM, AND I'VE SEEN SOME VERY LARGE WATER USAGE AT SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES. 
          UM, IT IS INTERESTING. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, NOW YOU GET INTO THIS TECHNOLOGY STUFF AND IT'S THE NEXT THING THAT IS KIND OF THE, THE BIGGER USERS. 
          SO THAT HELPS YOUR QUESTION. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          OH, BUT THOSE FACILITIES EMPLOY THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEES AS OPPOSED TO DATA, RIGHT? PROBABLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT, YEAH, I ASSUME SO. 
          MY BROTHER-IN-LAW WORKED AT BUDWEISER FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? SORRY, . 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHEN YOU SEE THAT, UM, THE DATA CENTERS AND THE HYPER SCALES ARE UP THERE AND YOU ADVISE THE CITIES TO THOSE PLACES, THE DATA CENTERS EVER HIRE YOU, THE EMHT AS CONSULTANTS? OR DO YOU STRICTLY GO THROUGH THE CITIES? MY ROLE IS WITH THE CITIES. 
          OUR FIRM HAS WORKED FOR SOME OF THEM. 
          UM, BUT OUR RYAN AND I'S ROLE IS WITHIN THE PUBLIC SECTOR WORKING FOR THE 
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COMMUNITIES. 
          YOU WANNA GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S BACK TO YOU THEN. 
          YEAH. 
          JUMPING BACK IN ON, ON GR CITY SPECIFIC. 
          UM, SO I'LL TALK THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF OUR WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH COLUMBUS. 
          UM, AS, AS I SAID EARLIER, AND I THINK SHANE REITERATED COLUMBUS, UH, GENERATES THE WATER, THEY TREAT THE WASTEWATER, AND, AND OF COURSE WE OWN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          GROVE CITY OWNS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, THIS MAP HERE IS FROM THE WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT. 
          AND, UH, THE CITY IS BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT ZONES, REALLY, TWO 'CAUSE AREA C IS, IS S WACO. 
          UM, BUT AREA A IS THE, THE MAIN PART OF GROVE CITY PROPER, ALONG WITH SOME UNDEVELOPED AREA ON THE FRINGES OF THE CITY. 
          AND, UH, WITHIN AREA A, UH, EITHER GROVE CITY OR COLUMBUS, UH, CAN ANNEX PROPERTY AND SERVE THEM FOR, FOR WATER AND SEWER. 
          OF COURSE, IN ORDER TO ANNEX YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONTINUITY. 
          SO IT'S A LOT EASIER FOR GROVE CITY TO EXPAND INTO AREA A THAN IT IS IS FOR COLUMBUS. 
          UM, SIMILARLY, AREA B IS, IS SORT OF THAT PERIPHERY AREA. 
          UH, THERE ARE NOT WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES IN AREA B CURRENTLY, BUT IT IS AN AREA ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF GROVE CITY. 
          UH, IT'S ALSO IDENTIFIED AS A JOINT ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT AREA FOR GROVE CITY AND COLUMBUS. 
          UH, COLUMBUS DOES HAVE SOME PROPERTY, OBVIOUSLY THEY OWN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, AND, UH, THE COM TILL COMPOSTING FACILITY THAT'S DOWN ON 6 65, UH, JUST WEST OF THE SCIOTO RIVER AS WELL. 
          SO THERE, THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE POTENTIALLY FOR COLUMBUS TO EXPAND INTO AREA B, UM, AS WELL. 
          UM, AND SO IN ORDER FOR A, ANYTHING TO DEVELOP IN AREA B, THE TWO COMMUNITIES DO HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER AND AGREE ON, ON ANNEXATION. 
          UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT ME TO SAY ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, SO THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM IN GROVE CITY, UM, THIS MAP MAY BE HARD TO READ, I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THE CITY IS COLUMBUS MANAGES THEIR WATER SYSTEM IN DIFFERENT, UH, PRESSURE DISTRICTS OR PRESSURE ZONES. 
          AND THOSE ARE THE, THE COLOR SHADE, THE SHADED COLORED AREAS ON, ON THIS EXHIBIT. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, MOOSA GROVE CITIES IN THE BLUE AREA, WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE BIG RUN PRESSURE DISTRICT. 
          AND SO, UM, AS, AS SHANE MENTIONED, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WATER AND WHAT PRESSURE THEY CAN DELIVER TO A SITE. 
          UM, FOR THE MOST PART, WITHIN THE DIFFERENT ZONES, UH, BOOSTER STATIONS AND, AND TANKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE, ARE USED TO TRY TO MAINTAIN SOMEWHAT OF A CONSISTENT PRESSURE. 
          BUT IT DOES VARY ACROSS, ACROSS THE SYSTEM. 
          AND, AND OF COURSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, SORT OF IN THE SOUTH SOUTHWESTERN PORTION, THERE ARE SOME MAINS IN THAT AREA. 
          BUT, UH, CERTAINLY IN ORDER FOR DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR, THERE'D BE ADDITIONAL, ADDITIONAL EXPANSION. 
          THOSE WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN PROJECTS, OF COURSE. 
          UM, SO WATER COMES INTO THE CITY, UH, FROM EITHER THE DUBLIN ROAD, UH, WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH IS, UH, COMES IN AT THE GANTZ ROAD BOOSTER STATION, WHICH IS SORT OF AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. 
          AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE, UH, WATER COMING FROM THE PARSONS ROAD WASTE OR WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH COMES THROUGH THE LONDON GROVEPORT ROAD BOOSTER STATION, WHICH IS ON THE FAR SOUTH END OF THE CITY. 
          SO WE DO HAVE TWO, TWO ENTRY POINTS, UH, FROM COLUMBUS. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SORT OF WORK WITH COLUMBUS TO, TO MANAGE, UH, THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS IS OPERATING WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, SO WHAT TOOLS DO WE HAVE TO HELP US MAKE DECISIONS ON DEVELOPMENT OR ON EXPANDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE? UM, WE, WE DO HAVE, UH, WATER MODEL AND, AND SEWER MODEL IN, IN GROVE CITY. 
          AND, AND THEY BOTH, UH, HELP US MAKE DECISIONS. 
          ULTIMATELY WHAT IT IS, IS A COMPUTER MODEL OF THE WATER SYSTEM. 
          UM, IT'S CALIBRATED, UH, BY CHECKING PRESSURES AND FLOWS WITHIN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY. 
          AND THEN IT HELPS SIMULATE SYSTEM PERFORMANCE. 
          AND SO WE USE THIS, UH, TO APPROXIMATE FLOW PRESSURE, FIRE FLOW AVERAGE AND PEAK DAILY FLOWS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          AND IT CAN BE USED AS A PLANNING TOOL WHEN IT COMES TO EVALUATING EITHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY OR DEVELOPMENTS. 
          UM, WE CAN SIMULATE IF WE ADDED A NEW WATERLINE HERE, OR IF WE ADDED A NEW BOOSTER PUMP THERE, OR IF A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS A HIGHER WATER USER CAME IN AND WAS LOCATED IN THIS PART OF THE CI CITY, WE CAN RUN AN 
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ANALYSIS WITH THIS MODEL TO TELL US HOW THE SYSTEM'S GONNA REACT, HOW IT'S GONNA OPERATE, ARE THERE GONNA BE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO, UM, IS A CUSTOMER ON THE WATER SYSTEM, OR IT HELPS US DETERMINE WHAT OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT BE NEEDED, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HELP MANAGE, UM, THE GROWTH IN THE CITY. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? DOES THE TOOL WORK MOST OF THE TIME? I'M SORRY, WHAT DOES THE WORK MOST OF THE TIME OR? YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE COMPARE IT, WE, WE WILL RUN THE MODEL AND THEN WE VALIDATE IT BY FIELD TESTING. 
          SO, UM, WE COMPARE, WE TAKE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT WE COLLECT IN THE FIELD AND COMPARE IT TO, TO WHAT THE MODEL'S PREDICTING, AND WE FINE TUNE IT SO THAT IT DOES, UM, RETURN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A REASONABLE, UH, LEVEL OF ERROR, THE SAME, THE SAME INFORMATION THAT, THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN REAL LIFE. 
          AND SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE USE TO HELP DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO EXPAND THE SYSTEM AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING, ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO HELP SUPPORT THE CITY, UH, AS IT DEVELOPS. 
          AND AN EXAMPLE OF THAT, UM, IS IN THE SOUTHWEST GATEWAY. 
          UM, SO LAST YEAR WE USED THE WATER MODEL TO DO A PRELIMINARY PLANNING EXERCISE FOR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST GATEWAY. 
          AND, UM, THIS HERE, IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO SEE, BUT THE SOUTHWEST GATEWAY IS SORT OF IN THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SCREEN. 
          AND, UM, THE DARKER MORE SOLID BLUE LINES ARE PROPOSED WATER MAINS THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, EXTENDED INTO THE, TO, TO THE SOUTHWEST AREA. 
          AND, AND THEN WE EVALUATED, UH, PRESSURES AND FLOWS AND DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANT TO LOOP AND CONNECT THE SYSTEM TO, UH, DELIVER THE WATER AND THE WAY WE NEED TO DEL WOULD NEED TO DELIVER IT FOR THE ANTICIPATED DEVELOPMENT USES IN THE AREA. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT FOLLOWED GROVE CITY 2050. 
          IT WAS, UH, CERTAINLY, UM, SPEARHEADED BY THAT AND IT'S BEEN PART OF OUR, PART OF OUR LONG PLANNING EFFORT FOR THE GATEWAY AREA. 
          UM, ONE THING, UH, THAT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE IS, UM, THAT THIS AREA IS ON A, ON A BORDER BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PRESSURE DISTRICTS IN, IN COLUMBUS COLUMBUS'S SYSTEM. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THE CITY IS IN THE BLUE AREA, THE BIG RUN DISTRICT. 
          UM, BUT THE FISHER DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE PINK SHADED AREA, HAS, UH, A HIGHER PRESSURE. 
          AND SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE ON A BORDER BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT PRESSURE DISTRICTS, UH, ONE SIDE TYPICALLY HAS A SLIGHTLY LOWER PRESSURE, AND THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S A JUMP TO THE OTHER SIDE AND TO HELP SUPPORT GROWTH IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA. 
          UM, WE, WE WERE PROPOSING TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THOSE BORDERS AND, UH, BEGAN TALKING TO COLUMBUS ABOUT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE NEEDED TO HELP SUPPORT THE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANNA SEE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, AS A, AS A SIDE BENEFIT TO THAT, THERE ARE A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF GROVE CITY, I'M THINKING TANGLE BROOK AND, UH, AUTUMN GROVE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, PRESSURES THAT ARE IN THE ACCEPTABLE RANGE, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN MOST, MOST PEOPLE MIGHT DESIRE. 
          AND SO THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS THE SOUTHWEST AREA DEVELOPS TO, UH, ADJUST THOSE, THOSE PRESSURES IN, IN THAT AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO SOMETIMES WITH DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IT CREATES OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP, UH, CORRECT SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT WE MAY HAVE IN THE SYSTEM AS AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT. 
          YES. 
          UM, HOW, HOW DO, OKAY, JUST TAKES A SECOND. 
          IS SPLASHING NO. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I THINK WE'RE GREEN. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT, UM, CREATES, SO DEVELOPMENT KIND OF CREATES THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF MAYBE ADJUST SOME OF THE PRESSURE. 
          IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THAT AND THEN WHAT CREATES THE BARE THE BORDERS, OR FOR INSTANCE, LIKE THE INNOVATION DISTRICT AND HOW'S, HOW ONE ON THE LEFT IS IN ONE AND ONE ON THE RIGHT, IS ON THE OTHER. 
          COULD THAT BORDER SHIFT, WHAT COULD CAUSE THAT BORDER TO SHIFT? YEAH, SURE. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS, UH, THE, THE FIRST QUESTION, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE DO UTILITY EXPANSION IN THE CITY, WHETHER THAT'S A NEW WATERLINE EXTENDING INTO A NEW AREA OR A NEW SANITARY SEWER, IT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT GROVE CITY'S FUNDING OUT OF THEIR CIP AND DOING IT OUTTA THE KINDNESS OF THEIR HEART TO HOPE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY NEED IT. 
          AND SO WE WORK WITH THEM TO IDENTIFY WHAT HONOR OFFSITE 
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IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THEIR, THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND USUALLY IT GETS BROUGHT INTO THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, BY THE DEVELOPER OR IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND LARGELY DEVELOPMENT FUNDED. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW, HOW THAT GETS DONE. 
          AND THEN ULTIMATELY, LIKE I SAID, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO, UM, ADJUST THINGS OR IMPROVE, UH, THE PERFORMANCE OF THE SYSTEM OUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE, WE CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT CREATES THE BORDER IS PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO, UM, WE, WE WOULD USE A BOOSTER PUMP TO BOOST THE, THE WATER, UH, PRESSURE INTO THE, INTO THE AREA. 
          AND THEN YOU EITHER ISOLATE THAT WITH CLOSED VALVES OR WITH SOMETHING CALLED A PRESSURE REDUCING VALVE. 
          SO YOU CREATE, YOU PUT PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS ON THE WATER SYSTEM TO CREATE THIS BORDER THAT DOES NOT MOVE THEN BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS. 
          YOU MIND IF I ADD A LITTLE BIT? YEAH. 
          JUST FROM, FROM A, A WATER SYSTEM IS A DOMESTIC WATER IS PRESSURIZED, RIGHT? SO ALL THE ENERGY, THE, THE, THE PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM IS APPLIED BY BOOSTER PUMPS THAT ARE TYPICALLY PUBLIC OWNED. 
          GROVE CITY OWNS 6 65 AND GANTZ. 
          UM, COLUMBUS HAS A NUMBER AROUND TOWN. 
          UM, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNDER PRESSURE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE GROUND INFLUENCES, SO WE COULD DO A LITTLE SCHEMATICS, AND THAT'S HOW ELEVATED TANKS WORK. 
          UM, WE HAVE THE LUXURY, I'LL SAY IN CENTRAL OHIO THAT IS RELATIVELY FLAT, SO IT'S PRETTY EASY TO MAINTAIN PRESSURE DISTRICTS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY COLUMBUS HAS IT, RIGHT, YOUR LOWEST POINTS ARE ALONG THE, WELL, THE SAUDI RIVER, AND THEN EVEN THE OLD TAN BEFORE IT COMES DOWN THERE. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING KIND OF GOES UP AS YOU GO AWAY. 
          SO A LOT OF THE PRESSURE DISTRICTS SEGREGATE KIND OF AS YOU START MOVING EAST AND WEST AWAY FROM THE LOWEST AREA. 
          UM, HIGHEST PRESSURES IN ALL OF CENTRAL OHIO IS RIGHT ALONG RIVERSIDE UP IN DUBLIN. 
          BUT YOU THINK ABOUT HOW TALL EVEN THE BRIDGE IS ON TWO 70 UP THERE. 
          SO THAT'S LIKE SOME OF THE BIGGEST TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG RIVERSIDE THAT HAVE A HUNDRED PLUS PS HIGH JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE LOW. 
          SO YOU GO INTO MORE HILLY OR, OR MOUNTAINOUS CITIES, IT'S WAY HARDER TO MANAGE PRESSURES AND TO HAVE CONSISTENT PRESSURES. 
          SO WE'RE REAL LUCKY HERE. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ALL THE ELEVATED TANKS, RIGHT? WE USE THAT IDEA OF GRAVITY TO MAINTAIN THAT PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM. 
          YOU GO INTO HILLY AREAS, THE GROUND TANKS THAT THEY JUST PUT 'EM UP ON A HILL, UM, TO KIND OF DO THE SAME THING. 
          SO, BUT THAT ALSO DICTATES WHERE THOSE TEND TO BE. 
          AND THERE'S NO MAGIC SAUCE, LET'S SAY AT THIS ELEVATION. 
          YOU GOTTA CHANGE, YOU'RE TRYING TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM INTO A BANDWIDTH OF PRESSURE THAT'S GOOD FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, UM, THAT'S GOOD FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, AND YOU TRY TO HIT THAT SWEET SPOT. 
          UM, I CAN SAY THERE ARE DISTRICTS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO THAT ARE MORE INDUSTRIAL BASED AND THEY TYPICALLY LIKE HIGHER PRESSURE. 
          SO WE CAN TRY TO MANAGE THOSE SYSTEMS A LITTLE HIGHER WHERE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, YOU DON'T WANT IT BLOWING OUT YOUR PLUMBING IN YOUR HOUSE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE OLDER HOUSES. 
          SO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, USUALLY THAT SWEET SPOT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LOWER. 
          UM, AND SO THAT ALSO DICTATES HOW THOSE BOUNDARIES, AND A LOT OF TIMES AS DEVELOPMENT'S HAPPENING, JUST AS RYAN SHOWED HERE, WE'RE RUNNING INTO WHERE THERE'S A PLANNING INTERFACE, BUT THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO NOW WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE CONNECTING THAT, HOW WE'RE MANAGING THE PRESSURE DISTRICT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE OTHER KEY THINGS WE THINK ABOUT IN THESE THINGS IS A TERM THEY CALL WATER QUALITY, RIGHT? SO WE WANT THE WATER SYSTEM TO BE GRIDED TO ALLOW WATER TO MOVE AROUND THROUGH IT SO THAT THE WATER'S JUST NOT SITTING THERE. 
          AND SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TRY TO LOOP WATER LINES FROM A REDUNDANCY STANDPOINT, RIGHT? WE HAVE BREAKS. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE A BREAK, IF I'M FED THE ELECTRICAL GRID'S THE SAME WAY, MAYBE MORE PEOPLE A LITTLE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TRY TO FIND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          BUT THAT'S WHERE WE SOMETIMES HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS GROWTH IS HAPPENING AT A PRESSURE DISTRICT BOUNDARY, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IT'S, IT'S A PUZZLE IS WHAT IT IS A LOT OF TIMES. 
          SO I ASK A QUESTION, THESE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS, THESE, OKAY. 
          UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, SINCE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THESE HYPERSCALE DATA CENTERS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT WHOEVER HAD WATERS, IF THEY'RE STILL HERE OR NOT, OR HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE FOR YOU OR FOR THIS TO GET IN THIS AREA TO SUPPORT A HUNDRED, UH, 1.5 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY JUST WITH ONE BUSINESS? IS THAT SOME BIG WATER LINE THAT'S GONNA COME THROUGH? AND HOW MANY YEARS WOULD IT TAKE? IS IT SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY THAT COULD BE DONE? A A LOT OF 
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QUESTIONS THERE. 
          UM, SORRY. 
          NO, YOU'RE GOOD. 
          UM, SO ASKING, I'M ASKING FOR A FRIEND. 
          I GOTCHA. 
          SO, UM, BECAUSE WATER SYSTEMS ARE PRESSURIZED, THE, WHAT WE'LL SAY IS THE CAPACITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS LOOKED AT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE GRAVITY SYSTEMS. UM, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A, A NUMBER I HAVE STUCK IN MY HEAD BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO PULL IT OUT BEFORE, IS A 24 INCH WATER MAIN CAN MOVE ABOUT 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY. 
          SO IF YOU THINK IN TERMS YOU RATTLED OFF A ONE AND A HALF AND THAT'S, YOU CAN MOVE MORE WATER, BUT IN A PRESSURE SYSTEM, YOU GOTTA MOVE IT FASTER, RIGHT? AND SO WE LOOK AT TRYING TO MAINTAIN REASONABLE VELOCITIES. 
          SO THE TOOL, THE MODEL THAT RYAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE TOOL IS WE SEE VELOCITY IN THE PIPES BASED ON FLOWS. 
          AND SO HIGH VELOCITIES CAN MEAN STRESSED PIPES CAN MEAN PIPES, THAT THE OTHER THING THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT IS THE TERM OF OF HEAD LOSS OR PRESSURE LOSS. 
          THE FASTER WATER MOVES, THE FRICTION AROUND THE EDGE OF THE PIPE TAKES SOME OF THAT ENERGY OUT OF THE WATER. 
          SO WE TRY TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM SO THAT YOU MAINTAIN VELOCITIES IN, IN AN IDEAL WINDOW. 
          WE WANT WATER TO MOVE, WE DON'T WANT IT IN THE WATER SYSTEM TO MOVE TOO FAST. 
          AND SO I ALWAYS THROW OUT THE A 24 INCH WATER MAN CAN MOVE AROUND 10 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER AND STAY WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS. 
          UM, I FORGET EXACTLY, A 12 INCH LINE I KNOW CAN MOVE MORE THAN ONE AND A HALF. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THAT'S, SO I'M GONNA DO SOME QUICK MATH. 
          DIVIDE ANY KIND OF MGD BY 1,440 GIVES YOU GALLONS A MINUTE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, LIKE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT FIRE FLOWS, UM, WE THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF GALLONS A MINUTE, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE ENGINEERS, WE LOVE NUMBERS. 
          SO, UM, A THOUSAND GALLONS A MINUTE, IF THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY TYPICAL LOWER END FIRE FLOW THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE OUT OF A FIRE HYDRANT IS 1.4 MGD IF IT FLOWED ALL DAY, IF THAT'S, SO WHAT'S THE LARGEST LINES WE HAVE HERE NOW IN GROVE CITY? THERE'S A 2020 INCH, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, 16 ALONG 6 65. 
          UM, CITY OF COLUMBUS, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, I THINK THEY'VE GOT SOME 60 INCH NEAR THE PLANTS ARE THE BIGGEST ONES IN TOWN THAT I'M AWARE. 
          CENTRAL OHIO, I SHOULD SAY. 
          SO, SO RELATIVELY, IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG THEN FOR GROVE CITY, IF THAT WAS TO EVER HAPPEN IN THIS SIDE OF TOWN, WE WOULD HAVE THAT, THAT, YEAH, IT, IT IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION THOUGH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ANY PIPE, WHAT THE JOB IT'S DOING. 
          SO WHAT, WHAT AREA IS THE WATER THAT MOVES THROUGH THAT PIPE SERVING? SO BECAUSE THE SYSTEM IS LOOPED AND THAT'S, THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF WHEN WE USE THE MODEL, WE CAN, LIKE, WE CAN LITERALLY PUT AND SAY, HEY, IF THERE IS A 100,000 GALLON DEMAND AT THIS SITE, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REST OF THE SYSTEM? AND WE CAN SIMULATE THAT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SYSTEM. 
          DOES IT CAUSE HIGHER VELOCITIES? DOES IT CAUSE PRESSURE, LOSSES? DOES IT DELIVER EVERYTHING JUST FINE? THEN WE CAN SAY GOOD. 
          BUT JUST LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT DEMAND PATTERN, RIGHT? AS WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE YEARS MORE SOPHISTICATED, UM, WITH MODELING, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE PEAKS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CRITICAL TIME, UH, IN THE SYSTEM WHEN IT'S OPERATING AND THEN WE SEE MOST THE REST OF THE DAY, EVERYTHING'S FINE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN FOR THOSE HIGH USE TIMES BECAUSE EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THAT IS LESSER. 
          UM, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND, AND IF I CAN, BECAUSE OF TIME I WANTED TO ASK, I LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE SEWER THING SINCE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE DATA CENTERS SEWERS, UM, IF THEY'RE COOLING ARE, ARE THERE OUT THERE IN THE AREA, ARE THEY COOLING WITH WATER AND THEN IT'S GOING INTO A SEWER SYSTEM? SO, AND I, AND JUST, YEAH, SO EVERYONE KNOWS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THE WORD ON THE STREET IS THE WATER IS CONTAMINATED, AND SO IF IT'S GOING THROUGH A SEWER, IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. 
          SO I, I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO KNOW. 
          AND THE MAKEUP OF THE SEWER, THAT'S NOTHING I'M, I'M INVOLVED WITH. 
          I'M, I'M MORE FOCUSED EXPERTISE ON THE WATER. 
          BUT OF COURSE, I SIT IN DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS. 
          I WILL SAY THIS, TYPICALLY THE RETURN TO THE SEWER SYSTEM IS ALWAYS SOMETHING LESS BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT IS USING WATER FOR COOLING, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME EVAPORATION THAT OCCURS MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S ALWAYS SOME PERCENTAGE LESS OF WATER THAT GOES BACK INTO THE SEWER. 
          NOW, THERE ARE SYSTEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TERM, THE CLOSED LOOP THAT REUSE THE WATER, REUSE THE WATER AS MUCH AS IT CAN, AND THEN WHEN THEY HAVE TO DO A SWITCH OUT OF THE WATER, THEY HAVE A HIGHER DRAW, THEY SEND WATER TO THE SEWER. 
          BUT WHEN THEY'RE OPERATING ON THAT, THE, THE, THE, THE INTAKE DISCHARGE IS PRETTY LIMITED. 
          THERE'S OTHERS, UM, THAT HAVE A MORE CONSTANT USE THAT ARE ALWAYS PUTTING SOME MAKEUP WATER IN, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY PUT A HUNDRED PERCENT MAKEUP. 
          SO INSTEAD OF THAT DRAW, REMEMBER, SO I TALKED ABOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW PEOPLE 
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USE WATER IF THEY'RE USING A CONSTANT LEVEL, BUT NOT AS MUCH. 
          SOMETIMES THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER TO DEAL WITH, UH, IN PLANNING FOR THE SYSTEM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, ARE THOSE USUALLY MONITORED? DO YOU KNOW? UM, SO A SAMPLE, I I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY, I SHOULD SAY THIS. 
          UM, THEY CAN BE, HOW ABOUT THAT? I HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE HEARD SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IT HONESTLY HAS COME UP A LOT MORE IN INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES, UM, IN TERMS OF MONITORING DISCHARGE. 
          UM, CITY OF COLUMBUS I KNOW IS VERY, THEIR, THEIR WATER TREATMENT FACILITIES ARE VERY IN TUNE WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND WHAT THE MAKEUPS ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEIR TREATMENT PROCESSES CAN HANDLE THOSE. 
          UM, AND SO CAN THERE BE SAMPLING DONE? YES. 
          HAS THERE BEEN SAMPLING DONE? I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ON DATA CENTER. 
          SURE. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SAMPLING I KNOW HAS BEEN DONE. 
          I, I WILL JUST MENTION, I MEAN, I'VE TOURED, UM, A COUPLE OF THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, YOU KNOW, BESSIE UP, UP, UP OH YEAH. 
          ON THE LAKE AND EVERYTHING. 
          AND THE EPA HAS VERY, VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON, ON THE WATER, RIGHT. 
          AND EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE. 
          WELL, AND SOME OF THE CORPORATIONS THAT ARE UP ALONG THE CUYAHOGA RIVER, UM, HAVING, WHEN I WORKED IN THE SENATE, I MEAN, IT WAS UP THERE AND ALL VERY, VERY REGULATED AS FAR AS WHAT GETS INTO THE WATER SYSTEM AND WHAT'S EVEN ALLOWED IT TO GO BACK INTO THE SYSTEM. 
          YEAH. 
          AND GETTING MAYBE OUTSIDE MY LANE A LITTLE BIT, BUT AGAIN, BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, LIKE COLUMBUS' WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, BUT EVEN OTHER, UH, WASTEWATER OPERATORS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE VERY STRICT GUIDELINES ON WHAT THEIR DISCHARGES HAVE TO BE AFTER TREATMENT. 
          AND THEY HAVE TESTING REGIMENS AND THEY HAVE EPA REPORTING THAT HAS TO BECOME, AND I KNOW THE EPA IS ALWAYS IN AT THE TREATMENT FACILITIES, LIKE CHECKING THEIR LAB EQUIPMENT. 
          I MEAN, CHECKING ALL THAT. 
          THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF OVERSIGHT AT THE, AT THE TAIL END OF THE DISCHARGE FOR SURE. 
          UH, WITH THAT, SO, SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, NO PROBLEM. 
          PROBABLY A GOOD SEGUE INTO TALKING ABOUT THE SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE KIND OF THE FOCUS OF THIS IS ON WATER DISTRIBUTION OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DID WANT TO HIT ON THE SANITARY COLLECTION SYSTEM AS WELL. 
          AND, UM, JUST TO KIND OF ILLUSTRATE HOW INTERCONNECTED WE ARE WITH COLUMBUS, UH, GROVE CITY HAS NINE, UH, DISCHARGE LOCATIONS, UH, WHERE THE SEWER LEAVES GROVE CITY AND ENTERS INTO A CITY OF COLUMBUS, UH, SANITARY SEWER. 
          AND OF COURSE, ALL OF, ALL OF OUR WASTEWATER IS TREATED AT THE SOUTHERLY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, THAT'S OWNED AND OPERATED BY COLUMBUS. 
          AND, AND AS SHANE MENTIONED, HEAVILY REGULATED AND TESTED BY COLUMBUS STAFF AND, AND, UH, UH, THEY HAVE TO MO BE MONITORED BY THE EPA AS WELL. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, UH, PROCESS WATER FROM, FROM ANY DEVELOPMENT IN GROVE CITY, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A DATA CENTER OR ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL USER, WOULD BE DISCHARGED TO THE SANITARY COLLECTION SYSTEM AND SENT TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, SO THE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE SEWERS IN GROVE CITY KIND OF FLOW FROM, FROM NORTHWEST TO SOUTHEAST, AND THERE'S A VERY LARGE DIAMETER TRUNK SEWER THAT COLUMBUS OWNS AND OPERATES THAT RUNS ALONG THE SCIOTO RIVER AND TAKES THE, THE WASTEWATER ULTIMATELY TO THE SOUTHERLY TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, MOST OF OUR GROWTH, THE THE COLORS ON THIS EXHIBIT JUST REPRESENT DIFFERENT, UH, KIND OF SECTORS WITHIN, WITHIN THE SEA, DIFFERENT, WE CALL THEM TRIBUTARY AREAS, AREAS THAT, UH, FLOW INTO ONE, ONE OF THE SEWERS OR THE OTHER, UH, THE BOULDER RED LINES ON HERE ARE, ARE THE BIGGER SEWERS IN GROVE CITY. 
          AND MOST OF OUR GROWTH AREA IS REALLY ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE CITY. 
          SO MORE OR LESS IN THE, IN THE AREA, KIND OF ADJACENT TO THE ORANGE AND YELLOW SHADED, UH, SEWER, WHICH IS, WHICH IS GRANT RUN, THAT'S THE, THE GRANT RUN TRUNK SEWER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AS, AS GROWTH OCCURS, UM, IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA OR OR BEYOND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MOST LIKELY GONNA REQUIRE EXTENSIONS OF, OF THESE SEWERS. 
          THE GRANT RUN SEWER, UH, IS PLANNED TO GO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER WEST, WEST OF 62 AT SOME POINT, BUT WHO KNOWS, THAT'S ALL GONNA BE DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S IN OUR LONG, LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          UM, AND, AND I GUESS JUST SIMILARLY, UH, TO THE WATER, UM, NOT THAT IT'S SUPER RELEVANT, BUT THE, THE CONTRACT AREA A AND B AND THE INTERACTION WITH COLUMBUS IS, IS VERY SIMILAR ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE IN THE WASTEWATER AGREEMENT AS IT IS IN THE, IN THE WATER AGREEMENT WITH COLUMBUS. 
          THOSE TWO AGREEMENTS SORT OF GO HAND IN HAND. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES, I KNOW SHANE MENTIONED, UH, ON THE WATER SIDE, REDOING STUDIES EVERY 10 TO 12 YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME OUR GROWTH PATTERNS OR OUR PROJECTED DEVELOPMENT GOALS CHANGE IN THE CITY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, YOU KNOW, AT THE SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM AND EVALUATE DEMANDS FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS AND, AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT OUR SEWERS 
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HAVE CAPACITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH TODAY AND IN, IN THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT CONDITION. 
          AND SO I JUST LISTED A HANDFUL OF STUDIES THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE ALWAYS BOTH ON THE WATER SIDE AND THE SEWER SIDE. 
          ANYTIME WE DO UTILITY STUDIES, WE DO CONSIDER THEM TO BE LIVING DOCUMENTS. 
          UM, THE MOST RECENT CITYWIDE STUDY THAT WE DID WAS THE GROVE CITY, UH, SANITARY SEWER MASTER PLAN. 
          THAT'S THE SECOND BULLET IN THERE. 
          AND WE COMPLETED THAT, UM, IN 2025, AND THEN THE GATE SOUTHWEST GATEWAY OR 2021, SORRY. 
          AND THEN THE SOUTHWEST GATEWAY STUDY THAT WE DID LAST YEAR IS JUST SORT OF AN AMENDMENT TO THAT STUDY. 
          UH, EVEN THE 2021 STUDY. 
          UH, IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN TERMS OF, UH, LONG-TERM PLANNING. 
          SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN THAT MAYBE AREN'T EXACTLY WHAT WE PREDICTED, BUT WHAT WE DO WITH THIS, AND THE WAY, THE WAY IT WORKS AS A LIVING DOCUMENT IS, UH, WE, WE, WE PROJECT AND ESTIMATE DEMANDS BASED ON THE LAND USE, BUT THEN WHEN AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT DOES COME IN, WE HAVE BETTER DATA ON HOW MANY HOUSES ARE, IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, HOW MANY UNITS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, AND WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF PROJECTING WHAT THE ULTIMATE DEMAND IS FOR THE SEWER SYSTEM AND ON THE WATER SIDE. 
          AND SO WE UPDATE THIS CONSTANTLY AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO KEEP IT AS A UP-TO-DATE DOCUMENT, UH, SO THAT WE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN USE IT, UM, TO, TO DO PROJECTIONS MOVING FORWARD. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING WITH KIND OF THE LATEST INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO WE HAVE PLANNING TOOLS ON THE SANITARY SEWER SIDE TOO. 
          WE HAVE A, A SEWER MODEL AND A, A HYDRAULIC, UH, CALCULATION MODEL TO EVALUATE CAPACITY IN THE SEWER. 
          AND WE COORDINATE WITH COLUMBUS, UH, SIMILARLY ON, ON THAT AS WELL. 
          SO WE SHARE OUR STUDIES WITH COLUMBUS AND THEY INCORPORATE THEM INTO THEIR LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          VERY BRIEFLY WANTED TO TOUCH ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THE, THE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS FOR US. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY GROVE CITY IS A, IT'S A MS FOUR MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORM SEWER SYSTEM, AND WE HAVE A PERMIT WITH THE OHIO EPA. 
          WE DO ANNUAL REPORTING ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT ANYTIME A DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH THE CITY, THEY HAVE A VERY, UH, PRESCRIBED, UH, MANNER IN WHICH THEY HAVE TO HANDLE STORM WATER. 
          UH, BOTH THEY HAVE TO, UH, HANDLE, UH, DETENTION TO, TO SHAVE OFF THE PEAK FLOWS, UH, FROM DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE TO DO WATER QUALITY. 
          THERE'S WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT EPA PERMIT AND OUR ANNUAL REPORTING BACK TO THE EPA, UH, TRACKS OUR, OUR PROGRESS. 
          AND WE, I, UM, LIST OUT ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OR, OR ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE CITY, UM, WHERE, WHERE WATER QUALITY, UM, ENHANCEMENTS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. 
          UM, SO BETWEEN THE STORM WATER CODE, UH, THE FLOOD FLOOD CODE, UH, FEMA REQUIREMENTS, EPA REQUIREMENTS, STORM WATER'S PRETTY HEAVILY REGULATED AND IT FOLLOWS A PRETTY, PRETTY STRINGENT PROCESS. 
          UM, THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE A DEVELOPER IS GONNA COME IN AND DISCHARGE PROCESS WATER TO DIRECTLY TO A DITCH OR A STREAM IN GROVE CITY. 
          IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE SANITARY COLLECTION SYSTEM AND BE TREATED BY COLUMBUS. 
          SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT, PUT A BOW ON, BOW ON THIS IN TERMS OF HOW WE, HOW WE WORK WITH DEVELOPMENTS. 
          AS I MENTIONED AT, AT THE BEGINNING, AND I KNOW KYLE GAVE A PRESENTATION A WHILE BACK ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UM, WHEN, WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UM, GETS A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR STARTS COORDINATING WITH THE DEVELOPER, UM, IF THERE ARE UNIQUE, UH, UTILITY REQUIREMENTS, WE GET INVOLVED RIGHT AWAY. 
          WE'LL USE THE TOOLS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THE WATER MODEL OR THE SEWER MODEL, TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE, THE PROJECTED FLOWS THAT THEY GIVE US ARE GONNA WORK WITHIN THE CITY SYSTEM, OR IF THERE ARE ANY OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO, UM, TO SERVE THEM. 
          AND, AND ALSO TO HELP EVEN I IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE IS SUITABLE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS SHANE MENTIONED, UM, THE, THE CAPACITY AND THE, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE WATER SYSTEM IS A LITTLE BIT VARIABLE THROUGHOUT GROVE CITY. 
          AND THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME AREAS, UM, THAT ARE PROBABLY MORE SUITED FOR HIGHER WATER DEVELOPMENT THAN OTHERS. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GET INVOLVED, UM, AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY TO HELP REVIEW THOSE THINGS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT TO MAKE IS JUST THAT THERE, THERE'S NO SCENARIO WHERE A HIGHER WATER USER'S GONNA COME INTO THE CITY AND USE ALL THE WATER. 
          UM, IT'S A VERY STRINGENT REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE, WE HAVE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE 
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THAT WHATEVER COMES IN HERE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, WE USE THESE TOOLS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED AND REFINED OVER TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S THE CASE. 
          WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY ON RATES. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT'S, UH, A TOPIC THAT THAT COMES UP. 
          AND, UM, I DID WANT TO EXPLAIN, UH, WATER AND SEWER RATES IN GROVE CITY. 
          OF COURSE, IF YOU LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW THAT YOU GET A BILL FROM THE CITY OF COLUMBUS FOR THAT. 
          AND, UM, GROVE CITY DOES ADD A SMALL SURCHARGE, UM, ONTO THE COLUMBUS BILL. 
          AND THAT'S SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN ALL OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE PIPES IN THE GROUND, THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANKS, THE BOOSTER PUMPS, AND THE BOOSTER STATIONS, THOSE ALL HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY. 
          AND SO THE SURCHARGE, UH, THAT WE WE PLACE ON, ON THE BILL, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPS COVER THOSE COSTS. 
          UM, BUT GROVE CITY HAS NOT INCREASED THAT SINCE 2006, SO IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE REVISITED THAT. 
          AND THAT'S BEEN IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY KEEP THINGS AS REASONABLE AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, IT, IT DOES MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT, I THINK, FOR THE CITY TO, TO MAINTAIN THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A DECISION THAT WE'VE, WE'VE MADE TO TRY TO HOLD THAT STEADY. 
          NOW COLUMBUS DOES CONTROL RATE INCREASES. 
          OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A WIDE ARRAY OF THINGS THAT IMPACT, UH, RATE INCREASES, UM, IN THE COLUMBUS SYSTEM. 
          AND SINCE WE'RE PART OF THIS LARGER SYSTEM, IT CAN BE THINGS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF GROVE CITY THAT ARE DRIVERS BEHIND INCREASED RATES WITHIN GROVE CITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S NEW REGULATORY COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS OR NEW, HIGHER, HIGHER WATER USING DEVELOPMENT OR JUST IN GENERAL, THE INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A HOUSING CRISIS AND HOUSING NEED, AND THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSING BEING BUILT, AND THAT ALL USES WATER AS WELL. 
          SO COLUMBUS IS, IS WORKING RIGHT NOW ON THEIR, THEIR FOURTH WATER PLANT, WHICH IS, I DON'T KNOW, A TWO POINT SOMETHING BILLION DOLLARS PROJECT. 
          AND, AND THOSE COSTS GET SPREAD A ACROSS ALL RATE PAYERS, UM, INCLUDING INDIVIDUALS IN, IN GROVE CITY. 
          UM, AND SO YEAH, THE, THESE FACTORS WITHIN THE REGIONAL SYSTEM ARE GONNA IMPACT, IMPACT RATES. 
          I SAY RATES WILL, WILL INCREASE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I, THEY ALWAYS, THEY ALWAYS TEND TO GO UP OVER TIME, RIGHT? EVERYBODY'S BILLS AL ARE ALWAYS GOING UP. 
          UM, BUT, UM, CERTAINLY THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE OUTSIDE OF, OUTSIDE OF GROVE CITY AS WELL TO, TO, IN, TO INCREASING RATES AND, AND FACTORS THAT GO INTO THAT. 
          SO, TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT PROJECT HEADWATERS. 
          SO PRIOR TO THE MORATORIUM, UH, BEING PUT IN PLACE, WE DID HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF COORDINATION WITH THAT DEVELOPER. 
          UM, IT WAS APPROXIMATELY 310 ACRES THEY WERE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE BETWEEN WRENCH AND BEATTY ROADS. 
          UM, I'M SURE MOST PEOPLE HERE MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH IT OR HAVE SEEN THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN, I WOULD GUESS. 
          UM, THEY WERE PROPOSING SIX BUILDINGS ON THEIR CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, AND, UH, THEY WERE ANTICIPATING USING CLOSED LOOP CHILLER OR AN AN AIR COOLED CHILLER, UH, FOR, UH, COOLING THE EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, THEY PROVIDED US WITH A DOCUMENT THAT STATED THAT THEIR MAXIMUM, UH, DAILY WATER DEMAND WOULD BE 48,000 GALLONS PER DAY. 
          AND THIS WAS, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US VERY, VERY SHORTLY BEFORE THE MORATORIUM WAS PUT IN PLACE. 
          SO WE NEVER REALLY, UH, DID ANYTHING WITH IT. 
          UM, BUT WE HAD THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND JUST FOR COMPARISON, UM, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON APPROXIMATELY 310 ACRES, UH, WOULD LIKELY GENERATE A DEMAND OF ABOUT 240,000 GALLONS PER DAY. 
          SO THIS PARTICULAR DATA CENTER WAS NOT ANTICIPATING USING A A, AN INCREDIBLY HIGH VOLUME OF WATER. 
          RYAN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN YOU SAY ANTICIPATED CLOSED LOOP CHILLER, IS THAT GLYCOL OR, OR IS THAT WATER, OR WHAT DO YOU NOT KNOW? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEANT BY THAT IN TERMS OF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S THE COOLING FLUID IS INTERNAL TO THE EQUIPMENT OR WHETHER THEY'RE USING PROCESSED WATER THAT'S JUST BEING RECYCLED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER GOT TO THE POINT OF HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW TECHNOLOGY KEEPS CHANGING, SO. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THAT 4,000 PER BUILDING OR O OVERALL 
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THAT WAS TOTAL. 
          AND LIKE, CAN YOU LIKE WALK US THROUGH THE, THE VERIFICATION PROCESS? LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE? WE, WE NEVER, WE NEVER GOT THERE. 
          SO ALL WE DID WAS NOT, NOT FOR HEADWATER SPECIFICALLY, BUT LET'S SAY ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I DUNNO IF YOU WANNA JUMP IN ON THAT OR SURE. 
          THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S EVEN PHYSICAL THINGS. 
          SO YOU CAN LOOK AT AS A DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE MOVE FORWARD LIKE THE SIZE OF THEIR WATER SERVICE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I TALKED ABOUT LIKE PIPE SIZES HAVE MAXIMUM CONSTRAINTS. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT THE CITY OF COLUMBUS HAS BEEN EMPLOYING, UM, BECAUSE THEY DO THE METERING ON THE LARGE USERS IS REAL TIME METERING SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY MONITOR WHAT, NOW OBVIOUSLY THAT IS AFTER THE FACT. 
          UM, BUT THAT ALLOWS EVERYBODY TO TRACK AND TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND TO VALIDATE. 
          AND CERTAINLY THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY NICE TOOL TO BE ABLE TO USE, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, RIGHT? IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN AND WHEN A ANY FACILITY GOES UP, YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND COULD THEY USE MORE THAN 48,000? SURE. 
          COULD THEY USE LESS? YES. 
          RIGHT? BUT THERE ARE TOOLS IN PLACE, AND I HAVE SEEN WHERE IN SOME COMMUNITIES THESE NUMBERS START GETTING DOCUMENTED IN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AS WELL AS A TOOL AND A MEASURE, UM, TO HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS ON WHAT PEOPLE USE. 
          BUT IT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, AND, AND THE CAVEAT IS IF A COMMUNITY DECIDES TO START PUTTING WATER DEMANDS, RIGHT? THE OTHER EXPECTATION IS WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER. 
          AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS, TRADITIONALLY THERE'S NOT BEEN A GUARANTEE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM, WHATEVER, AND THIS IS ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, UM, CAN HAPPEN. 
          AND SO THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A TRADE OFF THERE IN DOING THAT. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE THINGS SUCH AS THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CLOSED LOOP, WHAT'S THE TECHNOLOGY GOING IN? THOSE ARE GOOD INDICATORS IF THE NUMBER IS ACCURATE OR NOT ACCURATE. 
          UM, AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND A LOT FROM THE TECHNOLOGY FROM THAT. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, DOES THE PROCESS REALLY CHANGE, LET'S SAY DEVELOPERS BUILD FACES VERSUS PRIORITY OF THE PROJECT? SO TYPICALLY, UM, I MENTIONED THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN SOME COMMUNITIES IS WE'VE BUILT ACTUALLY A FAIRLY NOW COMPLICATED, UM, QUESTIONNAIRE. 
          UM, WE WANT TO KNOW THE TOTAL BUILD OUT THAT THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING PROJECTIONS AND PLANNING. 
          UM, IF ADE DEVELOPMENT HAS 10 PHASES, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, WE'RE THINKING WHAT'S THE 10 PHASES NEED, NOT JUST PHASE ONE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE WAY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS. 
          THINK ABOUT YOU BUILD A WATER LINE, YOU PUT IT IN THE GROUND, WE WANT IT TO LAST AT LEAST 50 YEARS, A HUNDRED YEARS THOUGH IS, IS PRETTY REASONABLE. 
          UM, THERE'S, THERE'S LINES ALONG, UH, LIVINGSTON THERE THAT WE REPLACE IN COLUMBUS 1890S, AND THAT'S BEEN IN THE LAST 10, 15 YEARS. 
          SO A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANYTHING, THEY DON'T BUILD WATER LINES LIKE THEY USED TO, RIGHT? THEY USED TO BE REAL THICK WALLED AND, AND NOW OUR TECHNOLOGY'S BETTER AND THEY GET A LITTLE THINNER. 
          SO, BUT LONG STORY SHORT, UM, THEY, UH, UM, WE WANT THINGS TO LAST. 
          SO WE HAVE TO MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS ON THOSE TYPE OF HORIZONS, UM, IF WE CAN AT ALL. 
          AND WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROJECTIONS. 
          OUR CRYSTAL BALLS ARE NEVER PERFECT. 
          UM, GOSH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF TIMES I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, WITH PLANNING IN COMMUNITIES AND WE SAY, WELL, HOW BUILD BIG, SHOULD WE BUILD THE SEWER? OR HOW BIG SHOULD WE BUILD THE WATER LINE? UM, AND WHEN WE ALWAYS LOOK BACK AT IT, WE ALWAYS SAY, WELL, WE'VE NEVER BUILT ONE TOO BIG. 
          RIGHT? IT, IT TENDS TO BE A TOOL, UM, THAT WE CAN USE. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION, HELPS A BIT. 
          YEAH. 
          I KNOW THE PLANNING HAD TO STOP BECAUSE OF THE, BUT UP TO THAT POINT, WAS THERE ANYTHING, ANY ASPECTS OF THE HEAD, WOW, THAT'S SO MUCH DIFFERENT EVERY OTHER DAY? SOMEHOW THINGS WERE FAIRLY NORMAL. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT THINGS LOOKED FAIRLY NORMAL. 
          UM, THERE WAS REALLY NOTHING PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL ABOUT THE SITE. 
          UM, THEY, AND AGAIN, WE WERE LOOKING AT A VERY PRELIMINARY CONCEPT AS, AS WELL. 
          UM, WE NEVER REALLY GOT INTO TOO MANY OF THE DETAILS OTHER THAN BEING GIVEN THIS NUMBER. 
          UM, SO NO, THERE WAS NOTHING PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL ABOUT IT. 
          UM, THE, 
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THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING TO NOTE IS THAT IT DID REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF OFFSITE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT. 
          AND, UM, I'M, I WASN'T GONNA HIGHLIGHT THAT ON THE, ON THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE TWO THINGS THAT WE DID, WE START, WE STARTED LOOKING AT SEWER EXPANSION, UM, TO GET TO HEADWATERS SITE. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, INTENDED, UH, CONNECTION IS, IT IS WITH THE, UH, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THAT SUBDIVISION? NO, THE, UH, HIDDEN CHASE. 
          HIDDEN CHASE SANITARY SEWER, UM, OUT AT 62, UM, IS SUPPOSED TO SERVE THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF GROUND. 
          AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING, UM, AT OPTIONS FOR HOW TO ROUTE THE SEWER FROM HIDDEN CHASE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OVER TO THE SITE. 
          UM, AND DID A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION BACK AND FORTH WITH THEIR TEAM ON THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE EXTENT OF OUR SEWER COORDINATION. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY THE NUMBER THAT THEY GAVE US WASN'T INCREDIBLY ALARMING IN TERMS OF WATER AND SEWER DEMANDS. 
          UM, BUT LIKE, LIKE SHANE SAID, WE, WE NEVER GOT TO THE POINT OF VALIDATING IT. 
          AND OF, OF COURSE, IF THEY TOLD US 48,000, UH, YOU KNOW, GALLONS PER DAY AND THEN THEY WANTED A 12 INCH WATER SERVICE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A, A REAL RED FLAG FOR US . 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, MAYBE ONE THING I'LL JUST ADD TO, 'CAUSE I JUST DID THE QUICK MATH, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, WHEN I SAY WE USE LAND USE TO PLAN UTILITIES, WE ALWAYS EQUATE THINGS TO PEOPLE PER ACRE. 
          THAT'S STILL THE WAY, BECAUSE WE LOOK AT WATER AND SEWAGE USAGE AND GENERATION ON WHAT AN AVERAGE PERSON IN A POPULATION, EVEN IF IT'S, IF IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL USE, ANYTHING. 
          WE TYPICALLY PLAN FOR LAND AND EQUIVALENT POPULATION DENSITY PEOPLE PER ACRE. 
          UM, I JUST DID THE MATH, THE 48,000 GALLONS, I WOULD EQUATE TO 320 PEOPLE. 
          SO A 310 ACRE SITE THAT'S AROUND ONE PERSON PER ACRE, WHICH IS NOT A VERY, YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK BROAD BASED, DIFFERENT LIKE APARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, HAVE HIGH DENSITY POPULATION PEOPLE PER ACRE. 
          I WAS INVOLVED IN A LOT OF THE STUFF THERE ON, ON THE REDEVELOPMENT IN DUBLIN THAT OCCURRED ALONG RIVERSIDE HIGH STREET GOING BACK, GOSH, 15, 18 YEARS WHEN THE PLANNING STARTED FOR THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT 50, 70 PEOPLE PER ACRE. 
          UM, BUT A REAL ROUND NUMBER THAT WE'D USE, NOT ALL THE PLACE, BUT IT'S 10 PEOPLE PER ACRE, 10 PEOPLE PER ACRE IS WHAT WE USE IN OUR, IN OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING, UH, FOR THE SEWER, FOR COLO, FOR, FOR GROVE CITY. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND SO I NOT, BUT I'M JUST, SO PEOPLE CAN PUT IN PERSPECTIVE, LARGE, LARGE SITES, WHATEVER THE USE WAREHOUSES ARE EVEN LOWER. 
          I MENTIONED, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN GROVE PORT. 
          YOU GET LIKE 0.1 PEOPLE PER ACRE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEIR ACTUAL USAGE ENDS UP BEING BECAUSE THEY TAKE UP BIG FOOTPRINTS. 
          SO THEIR, THEIR DEMAND ON THE UTILITY SYSTEM TENDS TO BE REALLY, REALLY LOW COMPARED TO WHAT MAYBE ORIGINAL PLANNING NUMBERS WERE. 
          SO YEAH, SO JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, HEADWATERS WOULD'VE BEEN ABOUT ONE 10TH OF, OF WHAT WE PLANNED FOR IN TERMS OF WATER AND SEWER USAGE, UH, WITH OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING. 
          JUST ONE POINT OF CLARITY, UH, ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT HEADWATERS WAS 85, 9% NOT THE END USER TOO. 
          THEY WERE THIS BASICALLY THE LAND DEVELOPER, UH, LOOKING TO SELL THE PROJECT TO A END USER. 
          UH, SO REALLY THE DETAILS COULDN'T BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE WE NEVER GOT THAT POINT. 
          SO, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT IF THE REZONING WAS APPROVED AT THAT POINT, THE END USER MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD'VE BEEN MADE IT, UH, MAY, WE MAY HAVE FOUND OUT WHO THE END USER WAS AT THAT POINT SO WE COULD HAVE THOSE MORE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, WE, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET THE POINT WHERE WE WERE HAVING THOSE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS BASED UPON, YEAH, THE, THE END USER WOULD'VE BEEN OF AMAZON OR META OR WHOEVER THE END USER WOULD'VE BEEN THOSE REQUIREMENTS MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD'VE BEEN A LITTLE DIFFERENT. 
          SO BASICALLY, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WATER USAGE, THE 48,000, IF SOMEONE CAME IN, IT COULD DEFINITELY BE D DIFFERENT THAN THAT? OR WOULD THAT 48,000 BE LIKE, THIS IS WHAT YOU, I'M ASSUMING THEY WERE TALKING TO AN END USER. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THEY, THEY, THEY HAD AN UNDERSTANDING, UH, BECAUSE MORE THAN LIKELY IF WE DID A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE WOULD'VE CAPPED A, A NUMBER OF, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF WATER OR GALLONS PER DAY OR SOMETHING TO THAT OF THAT EFFECT. 
          SO, UH, I'M NOT, THERE, THERE WERE SPECULATIVE AT THE SAME TIME THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE POTENTIAL END USER. 
          SO THEY HAD SOME UNDERSTANDING. 
          WE JUST WEREN'T PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. 
          AND, UM, SLIDES BACK MENTIONED THAT, UM, AU GROVE AND ANGLE, UM, HAVE LOWER WATER PRESSURE, HAD LIKE, HAD WATER COME IN OR A DATA CENTER COME IN, WOULD THAT AGAIN AFFECT THEIR WATER PRESSURE, MAKE IT MAKE IT WORSE? UH, THE OPPOSITE ACTUALLY. 
          SO, 
          [01:15:01]
UM, THIS SLIDE HERE IS AN EXHIBIT WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT WATER SYSTEM EXPANSION, UH, TO HELP SERVE THE HEADWATER SITE. 
          AND UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE CITY IS SPLIT UP INTO DIFFERENT PRESSURE ZONES AND WE WERE GONNA REQUIRE HEADWATERS TO FEED THEIR SITE FROM THE HIGHER PRESSURE ZONE. 
          AND WITH THAT, UH, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO CONSTRUCT A, A WATER MAIN ALONG WRENCH ROAD, UM, FROM THE HIGHER PRESSURE SOURCE. 
          AND WE WOULD'VE BACK CONNECTED THAT, UM, INTO, UH, THOSE SUBDIVISIONS POTENTIALLY AS A WAY TO HELP BOOST THEIR PRESSURE. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS A, AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THERE COULD BE ANCILLARY POSITIVE BENEFITS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO BRING IN THE, THE BOOST THE PRESSURE IN THIS AREA, BUT ALSO TO CREATE ADDITIONAL REDUNDANCY TO CREATE ANOTHER, ANOTHER ENTRANCE INTO THE CITY FOR WATER AND TO HELP CREATE BETTER CIRCULATION AS WELL WITHIN THE SYSTEM TO KEEP THE WATER MOVING AS WELL. 
          WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY OR CORRECT TO SAY THAT SINCE THE MORTOR, THE MORATORIUM HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE, THERE HAS NO, THERE HAS NOT BEEN MORE CONTACT WITH HEADWATERS? I HAVEN'T HAD ANY, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT. 
          I, I, I, I'M AWARE OF AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT, BUT THAT EMAIL WAS NOT SENT TO ME, SO, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM TODAY. 
          YOU DID? I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHATEVER. 
          WOW. 
          I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT, I SAID YOU CAN OR CAN'T. 
          I SAID HE CAN. 
          I CAN. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S A PRIVATE CITIZEN REACHING OUT AND HAVING PRIVATE CITIZEN A CONVERSATION, NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. 
          CORRECT. 
          I MEAN, YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ON THE TASK FORCE AND AS A TASK  MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO MY QUESTIONS ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, UM, I DO LIKE THE GAME JUST CONTINUALLY PRESS , SEE IF IT'S GONNA WORK, AND HERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TO KIND OF ADD ON TO WHAT MICHELLE BENJAMIN WAS SAYING, RIGHT, BECAUSE I LIKED YOUR QUESTION ABOUT CAPPING THAT 48,000 AND, AND KYLE, THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY IN, IN THE BEGINNING PHASES, YOU'RE TALKING WITH THIS LAND DEVELOPER, NOT THE END USER. 
          BUT I THINK JUST TO KIND OF TIE IT BACK TO THE PROCESS THAT THE, THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WALKED THROUGH, UM, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S GONNA GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          THERE'S A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN COMES TO COUNCIL TO GET VOTED ON, AND IT'S AN IDEA OF WHAT COULD, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE IN IT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          AND THEN IN THE FINAL, FINAL STAGES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS, UM, KIND OF ALMOST IN A CONTRACT PER SE, RIGHT? IT'S THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN MM-HMM . 
          AND IT DOES COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND IT'S WHAT'S VOTED ON. 
          AND THAT'S MORE OF THAT BINDING, LIKE WHERE YOU SAID IT'D BE CAPPED. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IF IT'S 48,000 AND IT'S SIX BUILDINGS MM-HMM . 
          AT X SQUARE FEET, THAT'S SAYING IT'S CAPPED THERE, THEY CAN'T THEN AFTER THAT WOULD BE IN ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UH, IF THAT PIECE IS APPROVED, AND SOME HAVE BEEN DENIED BY, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF, OF COUNCILS, BUT, BUT IN THAT PROCESS OF THAT BEING APPROVED MM-HMM . 
          AS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT'S THE BINDING CONTRACT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THEY CAN'T JUST SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS COOLING SYSTEM IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE. 
          WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA NEED A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER OR WHATEVER THAT CHANGE WOULD BE. 
          CORRECT. 
          THE THESE PROJECTS ARE, THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT THE CITY DOES ARE VERY COMPLEX. 
          THEY INVOLVE INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION FOR WATER, SANITARY IN, IN THIS CASE, WE WILL UNDERSTAND THE WATER USAGE. 
          SO AS THE COMPLEXITY OF THESE PROJECTS KIND OF GO ABOVE WHAT'S WE NORMALLY RECEIVE, THERE WOULD BE DEFINITELY A A SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHERE WE WOULD SET THE BINDING LIMITS, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE THEY'RE PAYING FOR, UH, HOW MUCH WATER THEY COULD USE. 
          ALL ALL THAT STUFF WOULD'VE BEEN SPELLED OUT INTO A, A DOCUMENT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PUT FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR A FINAL VOTE, UH, AFTER IT'S GONE THROUGH THE SCRUTINY AND REVIEW OF THE STAFF SCRUTINY AND REVIEW. 
          AND, UM, AND, AND I JUST LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSE, YOU'RE GOING TO A VOTER, YOU'RE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I WANT, AND YOU SIGNED THIS CONTRACT MM-HMM . 
          YOU CAN'T THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN COME IN AS THE BUILDER AND SAY, WELL, NOW I WANT A FIFTH BEDROOM ADDED, I WANT THIS. 
          AND YOU CERTAINLY CAN CHANGE COMMUNITY, BUT THERE THE PROCESS IS ALREADY SET. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO IMPACT TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN SAID, WE NEEDED A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLON OF WATER. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND COMMUNITIES DO IT OTHER WAYS TOO, THAT THEY, THEY, I KNOW VERY, UH, I THINK NEW ALBANY ACTUALLY METERS THE WATER FLOW EVERY DAY. 
          UH, SO I, UH, IN TALKING TO JENNIFER CHRYSLER, SHE MADE THAT KNOWN TO ME. 
          UM, 
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ALSO IF IN THE AGREEMENT THERE WAS A, A STRUCTURE THAT SAID, YOU'RE CAPPED AT 50,000 DAY AND YOU WENT ABOVE IT, MAYBE THERE'S AN ADDED COST TO MAKE IT IMPRACTICAL FOR, FOR, FOR THAT, UH, INFRINGEMENT. 
          SO THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF, OF, UH, UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'D BE, UH, EXPENDING THAT WATER RESOURCE TO THAT DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, NEXT, I THINK SHANE'S GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WATER REUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THIS IS MAYBE THE LAST TOPIC. 
          UM, NOT SURE IF ANYBODY'S HEARD THE TERM. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU'VE LOOKED INTO THIS MUCH, UM, WHAT IS THROWN AROUND THE INDUSTRY A LOT. 
          WE LIKE TO SAY WATER REUSE, THAT'S THE FORMAL, BUT PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS, UM, IS, IS WHAT'S, UH, COMMONLY USED. 
          SO, UM, JUST IN, IN, I GUESS JUST BRIEF SUMMARY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY WATER USE OR PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS? UH, WITH THAT IS, IS REUSING SOME KIND OF WATER. 
          UM, FOR INDUSTRIAL IRRIGATION, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES. 
          UM, THAT IS NOT POTABLE, MEANING IT'S NOT SUITABLE FOR HUMAN USE. 
          UM, BUT IT IS SUITABLE FOR OTHER USES. 
          UM, I, I AM BORN AND RAISED IN OHIO, DON'T LEAVE OHIO A WHOLE LOT. 
          I LIKE IT. 
          UM, BUT I DO KNOW, UM, SO I HAVEN'T WORKED IN OTHER REGIONS OF THE COUNTRY, UM, BUT I DO STUDY THINGS. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          AND OF COURSE, RIGHT, IT'S NO SECRET YOU GO TO THE WEST, WATER HAS BEEN A PRECIOUS COMMODITY. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY, THE WATER WARS IN CALIFORNIA IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, I MEAN THIS, IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME THAN WHAT WE'VE EVER LIVED WITH IN THE MIDWEST. 
          UM, SO SOME OF THESE TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENTS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, LARGE WATER USERS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          A LOT OF 'EM OUT IN CALIFORNIA IN AREAS WHERE WATER IS, UM, THEY'RE VERY MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED, I'LL SAY, IN IN, IN EVEN, UM, PLANNING OR CONTROLLING THEIR WATER. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS THOUGH, NOT AS, AS WHAT I'LL SAY IS, IS, UM, WATER TIGHT IS THE VIRGINIA AREA, THE WASHINGTON DC AREA. 
          SO ANYBODY THAT'S LOOKED INTO DATA CENTER TYPE THINGS, UM, THAT ARLINGTON AREA, UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY 10, 15 YEARS AHEAD OF WHERE WE ARE HERE IN THE MIDWEST, OR WHEN A LOT OF THOSE FACILITIES STARTED LOCATING AROUND THERE. 
          SO YOU LOOK AT THOSE AREAS, A LOT OF TIMES THIS STUFF, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME KIND OF NATURAL EVOLUTION THAT OCCURS BOTH FROM LAND USE DEMAND, FROM POLICY, FROM REGULATION TO HOW WE SOLVE PROBLEMS. UM, AND SO PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS, THE REALITY IS, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THEY ARE BEING USED. 
          I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON 'EM. 
          THEY'RE BEING USED EFFECTIVELY IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY TO HELP SOLVE THE WATER EQUATION. 
          UM, AND THAT MEANS LESSENING THE AMOUNT OF POTABLE WATER THAT'S USED FOR, UM, USES THAT DON'T NEED POTABLE WATER. 
          UM, AND SO THE REALITY IS, I CAN SAY PROBABLY PURPLE WATER SYSTEM WILL LIKELY PLAY A SOLUTION IN THE CENTRAL OHIO WATER EQUATION. 
          UM, I'VE SAT THROUGH A NUMBER OF, OF PRESENTATIONS. 
          COLUMBUS IS CURRENTLY HAS A STUDY ONGOING EVALUATING, IMPLEMENTING PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS, UM, WITHIN CENTRAL OHIO. 
          SO I KNOW THEY DID A PRETTY EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT TRYING TO TARGET WHERE ARE GOOD PLACES TO DO THIS. 
          UM, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S A WHOLE NEW UTILITY, RIGHT? SO YOU GOTTA FIND, WHERE AM I GETTING THIS WATER THAT'S NOT POTABLE? UM, HOW CAN I, IF I NEED TO MODIFY IT, TREAT IT TO SOME LEVEL, UM, HOW DO I DO THAT? AND THEN HOW DO I SEND IT BACK OUT TO A USER? AND ALL THOSE THINGS EQUATE TO LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY HAVE LARGE COSTS WITH THEM. 
          UM, SO I KNOW FOR, FOR COLUMBUS'S STUDY, UM, WHERE THEY CURRENTLY STAND, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED A COUPLE OF AREAS AROUND CENTRAL OHIO, BUT I, I KNOW THEIR, THEIR TARGET AREA THE MOST VIABLE IS HERE IN THE VICINITY OF THE SOUTHERLY WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          UM, AND THE CONCEPT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. 
          TAKING EFFLUENT FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT MEETS EPA STANDARDS THAT'S SUITABLE TO DISCHARGE TO STREAMS AND WATERWAYS, DOING SOME LEVEL OF TREATMENT, UM, NOT REAL TECHNICAL THERE, BUT SOME LEVEL, AND THEN SENDING IT BACK OUT TO USERS THAT CAN USE THAT FOR VARIOUS PROCESSES. 
          OR MAYBE THE USER HAS SECONDARY TREATMENT ON SITE SO THEY CAN TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT POTABLE. 
          UM, AND THAT IN THE EFFORT TO DO THIS, THE IDEA OF COURSE IS RIGHT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO PULL AS MUCH WATER OUT OF THE POTABLE COSTS MONEY TO TREAT THINGS SO THAT WATER THAT YOU AND I CAN DRINK, UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO USE IT THAT WAY. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING I EXPECT. 
          THE, THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE OF IT, FRANKLY, IS FINDING ENOUGH CUSTOMERS AND GETTING THE, THE CAPITAL TO BE ABLE TO STAND SOMETHING UP. 
          THE TECHNOLOGY'S THERE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT, TO MANAGE IT, TO OPERATE IT. 
          UM, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE ANYTHING, YOU GOTTA PAY FOR THE PROCESS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          [01:25:01]
SO YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'LL BUY IT. 
          SO, UM, THE SOUTHERLY AREA, IT'S JUST A NICE SOURCE OF DISCHARGE. 
          UM, I KNOW THEY ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT A TERM CALLED SEWER MINING THAT SOUNDS REALLY FANCY WAY OF JUST PULLING WATER OUT OF THE SEWER IN PLACES UPSTREAM IN THE SYSTEM, TREATING IT LOCALIZED. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE CUSTOMERS THAT CAN USE RECYCLED WATER. 
          UM, AND THAT WAY IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, I DON'T WANNA SAY A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM FROM THE PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'S THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD PICK IT UP, TREAT IT PARTIALLY, SEND IT TO A USER, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A CIRCULAR REFERENCE THERE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE DISCHARGES ARE. 
          UM, BUT I KNOW THE, UH, THE COLUMBUS AREA, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED CLEARLY AS A TARGET, AND THERE IS A HUGE, UM, I'LL SAY PUSH. 
          IT'S NOT A BIG TECHNICAL TERM FROM COLUMBUS TO TRY TO GET MOMENTUM HERE, UM, FOR THE PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS OR WATER REUSE AREAS. 
          SO I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE SHOW JUST A VERY, JUST A REFERENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS AREA B, YOU SEE THE SOUTHERLY TREATMENT PLANT. 
          AND SO I THINK THE, THE ONE THING HERE IS MAYBE UNIQUE, UM, I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE AGENT, BUT LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION, UM, GROVE CITY AND PARTICULARLY THE SOUTHERN AREA. 
          I THINK THAT AREA B THAT RYAN HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, JUST ACROSS THE RIVER FROM SOUTHERLY, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. 
          SO, UM, IT'S A LONG WAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GOTTA PIPE WATER, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS MONEY TO MOVE IT. 
          UM, AND SO THE REALITY IS FOR THESE SYSTEMS TO START UP, YOU GOTTA HAVE LOCALIZED USE. 
          SO I DO THINK GROVE CITY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH THIS, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A GREAT LOCATION, UH, TO THE EAST, I'D SAY GROVE PORT'S OVER THERE, RIGHT? NOT TOO FAR. 
          6 65 TO THE EAST, IT'D BE REALLY HARD, RIGHT? FOR DUBLIN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS. 
          THEY'RE JUST IN THE WRONG PLACE. 
          UM, SO I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS ANSWERS ON THIS YET. 
          COLUMBUS IS INVESTING A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE TO THE POINT OF ACTUALLY SAMPLING, SOMEBODY ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT SAMPLING AND TESTING SEWAGE. 
          THEY'RE DOING THAT IN LOCATIONS, TRYING TO SEE IF THE MAKEUP'S RIGHT ON WHAT KIND OF TREATMENT THEY WOULD NEED TO STAND UP IN PLACES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE PULLING SOME OF THE WATER USERS, WHAT CAN YOU WORK WITH IN THE WATER SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF RIGHT SIZE THE TREATMENT TO BE ABLE TO SEND IT TO 'EM. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT NUMBERS OUT THERE IN TERMS OF EXACTLY THIS OR EXACTLY THAT, THAT CAN BE DELIVERED. 
          UM, BUT I, I WOULD SAY CERTAINLY I WOULD EXPECT WITHIN MY CAREER, THERE'S GONNA BE AT LEAST A PURPLE WATER SYSTEM IN CENTRAL OHIO SET UP. 
          AGAIN, THEY'RE USING 'EM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. 
          UM, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, 15, 20 YEARS AGO, I WENT TO A TUNNELING SEMINAR OUT IN COLORADO, COLORADO SCHOOL OF MINES. 
          UM, AND IF PEOPLE KNOW COLUMBUS HAS BEEN DOING THE SEWER TUNNELING HERE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS OR SO NOW, UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUST STICKS IN MY MIND FROM THAT SEMINAR WAS THERE WAS A SPEAKER, AND THERE'S A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE THERE, AND I THINK, AND I, I MIGHT GET WRONG ON THE TIMELINES, SAYING EUROPE'S ABOUT 40 YEARS AHEAD OF US ON TUNNELING, BECAUSE THEY HAD TO, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY, THE CONSTRAINTS ON SURFACE DISRUPTION, THE EAST COAST AND THE WEST COAST WAS ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS AHEAD OF THE MIDWEST. 
          AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE AVAILABILITY OF LAND AND, AND NEEDING TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. 
          AND THE PURPLE WATER SYSTEMS ARE, ARE THE SAME THING, RIGHT? THE NEED HAS HAS DICTATED THEM TO BE ACCELERATED IN OTHER AREAS. 
          IT IS HERE NOW, UM, AND IT'S LOGIC, COLUMBUS IS THE ONE THAT'S GOTTA STAND SOMETHING LIKE THIS UP, BUT GROVE CITY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TIME, UM, IN PRETTY CLOSE PROXIMITY. 
          SO THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITY AT THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY, UM, TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO JUST SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT BEEN A PURPLE WATER SYSTEM NEEDED WITHIN LIKE FRANKLIN COUNTY OR THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES WITH ANY OF THE MANUFACTURING WE CURRENTLY HAVE TO THIS POINT. 
          IT'S ALL BEEN DELIVERED BY POTABLE AND THE SYSTEM'S BEEN FINE. 
          I LISTEN, WE ARE GENERALLY WATER RICH, RIGHT? IN OHIO, ESPECIALLY CENTRAL OHIO. 
          UM, I MEAN, HONESTLY, YOU GO BACK 15 YEARS AGO. 
          SURE. 
          YOU KNOW, I, I THROW THINGS OUT LIKE ANHEUSER-BUSCH AND THOSE BIG WATER USERS. 
          YOU NEVER EVEN, BUT IT IS, IT IS INTER INTERESTING IS I'VE SEEN THIS FIRSTHAND, THIS, THIS EVOLUTION OF THESE THINGS. 
          AND, AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S LOOKING TO WHAT'S BEING DONE IN VIRGINIA, WHAT'S BEING DONE IN ARIZONA, WHAT'S BEING DONE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE NEED TO, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE OUTTA WATER, IT JUST, IT'S PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO, RIGHT. 
          TO TRY TO MANAGE IT, UM, PROPERLY. 
          SO WE'LL SEE. 
          IT, IT, IT'LL HAPPEN. 
          IT'S THE ECONOMICS THAT ARE THE HARD THING ON IT. 
          SO, SO PURPLE WATER WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE IF, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE DILEMMA, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          IF IT'S, IF IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE, THEN POTABLE WATER, IT DOESN'T MAKE BUSINESS SENSE FOR ANYBODY TO USE IT. 
          SO WHAT ARE THE MOTIVATIONS? AND 
          [01:30:01]
THIS IS, THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE ISSUE. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH USERS TO USE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT. 
          RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT'LL DRIVE THE COST. 
          IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT'S THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, BUT YOU GOTTA GET THERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I SCARY WORDS LIKE SUBSIDIZING INCENTIVES, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED UP FRONT TO GET THE THING UP AND RUNNING. 
          BUT THEN I THINK IT'S LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO BE A LITTLE MORE SELF, SELF-SUSTAINING ONCE IT GOES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY COLUMBUS IS LOOKING FOR WHAT I'LL TERM THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WITH THIS. 
          WHERE CAN WE GET SOME WATER PRETTY EASY? WHERE DO WE HAVE LAND THAT WE CAN TREAT IT AND WHERE MIGHT WE HAVE SOME INDUSTRIAL USERS CLOSE BY THAT WE CAN SEND IT TO SO WE'RE NOT BUILDING 10 MILES OF PIPE, WE'RE GONNA BUILD A HALF A MILE PIPE AND GET IT TO A CUSTOMER, AND THEN THE NEXT CUSTOMER'S A QUARTER MILE DOWN THE ROAD, THEN WE'LL SEND IT TO THEM AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF STARTS GROWING. 
          SO, BUT RIGHT NOW, OUR BORDER, HOW YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, OUR EXPANSION TO GROW IS LIMITED BY ACCESSIBILITY OF WATER OR COLUMBUS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW BY RIGHT, WE STOP AT, UH, ZUBER ROAD, WHICH IS THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE GREEN, UH, POLYGON. 
          AND ANYTHING BLUE, UH, WOULD BE IN THE AREA B AND THAT GOES DOWN TO THE PICK WAY COUNTY LINE. 
          UH, SO RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK IN THE GREEN AND FOR, FOR NOW, THE BLUE , CORRECT. 
          BOY COUNTY. 
          IT'S UNINCORPORATED AREA. 
          YES. 
          IT'S UNINCORPORATED AREA THAT GOES DOWN TO THE, THE COUNTY LINE. 
          UM, BIG BOY COUNTY IS THE BOY COUNTY IS THE UNDERSTANDING AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THE BLUE IS FRANKLIN COUNTY. 
          CORRECT. 
          THESE EXPANSION AREAS EXIST ALMOST ALL AROUND THE CITY, BETWEEN THE SUBURBS AND COLUMBUS. 
          WHEN COLUMBUS DOES, HAS DONE OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS, THEIR LONG-TERM PLANNING, THEY LOOK AT THESE AREAS WHEN THEY ENTER INTO AGREEMENTS WITH THE SUBURBS. 
          THERE'S AN AREA A, AN AREA B, AND AREA C IN A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, AND IT'S JUST, THAT'S THE WAY THAT THE, THE AGREEMENTS HAVE BEEN FORMED THROUGH THE YEARS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FEEL FREE. 
          UM, YOU ALWAYS REACH OUT TO ME SEPARATELY AS WELL. 
          SO HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE ANYTIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE, WE WILL DEFINITELY GET IT IN THE HANDS OF COUNCIL MEMBERS BY THE, BY THE 28TH. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. 
          UH, AND IF THERE IS A NEED TO, I MEAN, YOU CAN BE AT THE OCTOBER 5TH AGENDA OR MEETING, UH, AND SIGN 
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UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL MIGHT HAVE. 
          HOWEVER YOU WANNA HANDLE IT, WILL ACCOMMODATE. 
          I MEAN, 
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IF THAT WOULD REPORT, RIGHT? IF, UH, YOU GUYS MEMBERS CAME TO THE MEETING, UM, HIT THE HIGH POINTS OF YOUR REPORT AND THEN COUNCIL COULD ASK YOU QUESTIONS AFTER THAT. 
          THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT I HAVE SEEN. 
          PRESENTATION FROM COUNCIL. 
          THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT MY UNDERSTANDING UP FOR THE COUNCIL MEETING, HOW COUNCIL, I THINK IT'D BE GO UP. 
          YOU HAD, I MEAN THE CITY HAS A WEBSITE, MORE DATA CENTER. 
          SO ONCE THE REPORT IS PRESENTED, IT'LL GO UP ON THE WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE IT DOWNLOAD AND CAPTURE PRIOR TO OCTOBER 5TH. 
          WILL IT BE ON THE WEBSITE PRIOR TO OCTOBER 5TH? LIKE DO YOU WANT IT EMAIL BEFORE? DO YOU WANNA EMAIL ON THE 28TH, THEN YOU COME ON THE FIFTH. 
          WHEN WOULD YOU HOPE THAT IT'S ON THE WEBSITE, THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS TASK FORCE AS WELL? IF WE ALL RIGHT. 
          REMEMBER IS THAT ALL OF COUNCIL IS, IS ON THE TASK FORCE. 
          GENERALLY IN THE PAST, WHAT I'VE SEEN, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          SO YOU'RE PRESENTING IT REALLY TO ADDITIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T ATTENDED OR BECAUSE ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN STILL ATTEND A TASK FORCE MEETING, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY, UM, A, A MEMBER OF THE BODY. 
          SO I THINK REALLY IT IS MORE OF A KIND OF PROCEDURAL CHECK THE BOX PART OF LEGISLATION, AND THEN YES, IT BECOMES MUCH MORE OF THAT BIGGER PUBLIC RECORD. 
          I MEAN, THESE MEETINGS ARE BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY'RE STREAMING AS WE ALL KNOW WHY WE ARE SITTING IN THIS ROOM RIGHT NOW TODAY. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK IT IS MORE OF A PROCEDURAL, LET'S DO ALL THE THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATION SAYS AND THEN IT WILL FURTHER BE AVAILABLE TO COUNCIL OR TO THE PUBLIC. 
          SORRY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I JUST WANNA ALSO ADD, THIS IS WHERE THE LANGUAGE IN THE MORATORIUM GOT A LITTLE BIT TRICKY INITIALLY. 
          RIGHT? UM, SO IT WOULD'VE BEEN JUST LIKE, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, AFTER TONIGHT TALKING ABOUT THIS DRAFT, 
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MADAM CHAIR, HAVE WE MOVED ON FROM YOUR FINAL REPORT? NOT TECHNICALLY. 
          NOT COMPLETELY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF EVERYBODY, 
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OKAY, SO NEXT SPEAKER IS GONNA CONSIDER, UM, PRESENTATION. 
          ALL THAT ENTAILS. 
          SO EVERYONE, MADAM CHAIR MR. LINGA ASKED ME TO INFORM YOU THAT HE HAS REACHED OUT TO HIS CONTACT AT A EP AND THEY ARE READY TO ATTEND. 
          THEY JUST NEED A DATE AND TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MR. TURNER, UH, SENT OUT, UM, A POWER THAT WAS UTILITY AND I DO HAVE A CARD IF YOU HEAR FROM HER. 
          DID ANYONE HAVE, LOOK AT IT AND THEN DECIDE AGAIN? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          SO I NEED YOU TO SPEAK WAY UP. 
          YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT YOU WANNA HAVE COME IN THAT WAS PART OF MR. STERN'S EMAIL? YES. 
          HE, HE SENT YOU SOMETHING AND YOU SENT IT TO US AND IT WAS A PRESENTATION THAT, UH, OCCURRED AT BEXLEY LIBRARY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS FROM THE OHIO ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL AND IT WAS THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          I THOUGHT SO I DO REMEMBER YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GO ONTO THE LIBRARY WEBSITE. 
          SO DOES THE COMMITTEE AGREE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT PERSON COME AND DO THAT PRESENTATION HERE OR WERE YOU JUST GOING TO USE THE LINK FROM THAT? UM, YES. 
          FROM THAT SUBMITTAL TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES. 
          I BELIEVE, UH, PEOPLE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT FIRST. 
          AND UH, THEN IN THE PAST WE DECIDE IF WE WANT HER TO COME IN DIRECTLY AND WE CAN ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTION. 
          SO DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THAT EMAIL AND THAT LINK? IF YOU DON'T ASK ME, HOW ABOUT WE DO IT THAT WAY? WOULD THAT BE OKAY WITH EVERYONE? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SOMEONE FROM THE OHIO, IF I COULD INTERJECT, UH, JUST FOR A QUICK MOMENT. 
          I DID REACH OUT TO HILLIARD AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR FOR HILLIARD IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN US FOR A CONVERSATION. 
          UM, HE CAN COME HERE OR WE CAN GET ON A BUS AND GO LOOK AT A COUPLE SITES. 
          WE CAN'T GET ON THE PROPERTIES, BUT IT IS LIKE WE DID LAST TIME, WE COULD PROBABLY DRIVE BY AT LEAST TO GET A FEELING OF THE SITE AND THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HILLIARD, UH, ON THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH DATA CENTERS. 
          SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE WANTS TO DO, I CAN TAKE THE NEXT STEPS AND TRY TO ARRANGE A TIME OR SOME TIMES. 
          UH, JUST WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE INNOCENT DOING AT HILLIARD OR HAVE THEM COME HERE 
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NOT TOO FAR FROM CORRECT. 
          WE WOULD DEFINITELY GO TO THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE'S A, THERE'S A PUBLIC PATH THAT WE CAN STAND ON. 
          THE OTHER ONE'S A LITTLE, UH, IT'S MORE CHALLENGING 'CAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO A BUSY ROAD. 
          DO YOU, UH, ENVISION US DOING THAT AFTERWARDS? UH, WE PROBABLY DO IT AFTERWARDS. 
          WE, THE WAY I'M ENVISIONING, WE GET ON A BUS, GO TO THE SITE, EXPERIENCE THE SITE, AND THEN GO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH HILLIARD. 
          IF, IF THAT'S WHAT LIKE SOMEWHERE IN HILLIARD AT THAT POINT. 
          CORRECT. 
          I NEED TO FINALIZE THE LOCATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, MORE LIKELY WE'LL BE THERE. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SAY MAYBE TO GET SOME DATES OKAY. 
          OF WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY IS. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL LEAVE TO THEM TO SET SOME TIMES WE HAVE. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH. 
          ASSUMING WE WOULD MAYBE KEEP IT ON A FIRST OR THIRD WEDNESDAY WHEN WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO OKAY. 
          THE TIMEFRAME. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU WANT A EP AT YOUR NEXT MEETING? I THINK PRESENTATION FOR AN HOUR QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          I CAN ASK THEM TO TAILOR IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T GO OVER. 
          THE GOAL IS AN HOUR, 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL BE HAPPY TO TRY MY BEST TO CURTAIL THAT.
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