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AND, UH, WHEN TAMMY'S READY, UM, SHE CAN DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE.MS. BURROWS? MR. MALINGA? MR. HOLT? MR. OMAR? HERE.
WE HAVE NINE, WHICH I JUST CONFIRMED IS JUST ENOUGH QUORUM FOR OUR QUO.
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APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 23RD MEETING.I KNOW EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM.
UH, DID ANYONE HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS SUGGESTIONS? IF NOT, BUT IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION SECOND.
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AGENDA WAS, UH, WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, FROM SOME, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A EP.UM, AND TAMMY, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME, UH, WITH SOME OF THE DETAILS ON THAT.
BUT I THINK THERE WAS A SCHEDULING CONFLICT AND MAYBE A CHANGE OF EMPLOYMENT FOR A FEW FOLKS THAT CAUSED SO CONTACT, UH, THE GENTLEMAN HAS BEEN PROMOTED, AND, UH, THERE IS A, A LADY ON STAFF THAT HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO HIS SPOT.
HE SAID THAT THEY WOULD BOTH LOVE TO COME OUT, BUT SHE WAS, HE MOVES UP AND SHE MOVES UP THIS WEEK, SO HE WANTED, HE DIDN'T, HE WAS AFRAID TO COME.
I CAN'T MAKE IT FOR THIS MEETING, BUT I CAN MAKE IT HOPEFULLY FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING OR THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.
UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK YET AS TO WHICH ONE HE CAN MAKE IT TO.
AND I DIDN'T REACH OUT BECAUSE THE CITY OF HILLIARD, SECOND PART TO THAT CITY OF HILLIARD SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, HAPPY TO HOST YOU ALL THAT SECOND WEEK FOR YOUR SECOND MEETING ON THE 21ST.
THEY HAVE ANY DAY BUT WEDNESDAY.
SO I HAD EMAILED EVERYONE TO SEE IF YOU WANTED TO SHIFT TO TUESDAY OR THURSDAY TO THE 20TH OR THE 22ND FOR THAT NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER, OR IF YOU WANTED TO JUST, UH, SEE IF HILLIARD COULD SHIFT TO ANOTHER DAY AND TIME.
SO BEFORE I KEPT BOTHERING PEOPLE ABOUT SCHEDULES, I THOUGHT, I FIND OUT FROM ALL OF YOU WHAT WORKED BEST.
IT WAS THE NINTH, 10TH, OR 12TH OR 13TH, RIGHT? THAT WEEK.
IT WAS JUST THE 11TH OF, NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOVEMBER, 2020 FIRST.
SO BASICALLY THE 20TH OR THE 22ND.
OH, I THOUGHT I HAD VERIFIED THAT, THAT THIS WAS UP IN NOVEMBER.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S THE NEXT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD NORMALLY BE OCTOBER 21ST.
SO HOW, SO ANY DAY THAT WEEK, BUT WEDNESDAY, HOW DOES EVERYBODY ON THE TUESDAY, THURSDAY, FRIDAY, WHAT'S EVERYBODY FEELING ABOUT THAT? TUESDAY? I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN A WEEK, WEEK ON A CRUISE.
GUESS WE'LL HAVE ALL, I GUESS WE'LL ALL OVER THE PLACE.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, DO YOU THINK? SO FAR, YES.
SO OFFICER MAD EMAIL TOMORROW TO SECOND? YEAH.
AND THEN WE'LL GET IT OUT TO THE REST OF THE, UH, GOOD.
BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR REGULAR MEETING, SO, OKAY.
SO I'M, I'M FINE WITH TUESDAY THE 20TH.
IN TALKING WITH HILLIARD, THEY'RE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE GROUP.
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HAVE TO COORDINATE GETTING ON A BUS SO WE HAVE KNOW WHEN WE'RE LEAVING FROM THIS FACILITY UP TO HILLIARD, HOW LONG DO WE NEED TO SPEND AT EACH SITE, AND THEN HAVE TRAVEL TIME TO GO OVER TO HILLIARD, UH, TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.SO I'M ASSUMING THAT PEOPLE WANNA BE HERE AND LEAVE HERE AT SIX.
MAYBE WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? MAYBE A LITTLE SOONER? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YEAH, DARK.
SO HOW CAN EVERYONE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? 5 35.
FIVE 30? WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT? SINCE IF WE CAN LEAVE HERE BY FIVE MATTER OR FIVE 15? FIVE 15, CAN EVERYONE BE HERE AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON THE, UM, 20TH? IF NOT, UM, I MEAN, YOU COULD.
YOU COULD COME FROM, YOU COULD, WE COULD GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS AND YOU COULD MEET US AT THAT LOCATION.
IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGING.
THEN LET'S, LET'S PLAN ON THAT MEETING HERE AT FIVE O'CLOCK TO GET ON TO HAVE THE CITY TRANSPORTATION TO THE SITE, OR JUST MEETING AT THE SITE.
SAY FIVE 30 BEING THE SITE AT LIKE FIVE 30, NOT LATER THAN FIVE 30 IF WE'RE DRIVING.
I'LL GIVE KYLE, WE'LL TRY TO PUT OUT A LITTLE ITINERARY.
UM, YOUR EXPECTATION IS TO SEE A SITE, MAYBE TWO? IS THAT WHAT YOU TWO, TWO SITES.
CITY OF HILLIARD CITY HALL TO MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, DIRECTOR.
WE WOULD DRIVE BY ONE SITE, NOT REALLY GET OUT, BUT THE SECOND SITE OR ONE OF THE SITES WE WOULD GET OUT ON A BIKE PATH.
SIT THERE AND OBSERVE THE SURROUNDINGS, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE NOT GETTING ON PROPERTY.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU'S SURROUNDING LOUD.
I THINK, IS IT, IS IT IMMEDIATE? IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING IT.
IT'S JUST LIKE WE WOULD BE OUTSIDE, SAY CORRECT.
WE'D BE ON A BIKE PATH NEXT TO THE FACILITY RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE AND HEAR AND YES.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE INTERESTING.
THERE'S WHERE THE BIKE PATH IS.
SO THERE'S THE DATA CENTER, THE BIKE PATH, AND THEN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE.
SO I THINK I, WE DROVE BY THERE, BUT WE COULDN'T GO INTO THE AREA WHERE THE RIGHT PATH WAS, SO, OKAY.
WELL, WITH THAT, I THINK, UM, ALAN, IT'S UP TO
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YOU NOW WITH YOUR MATRIX IF YOU WANT TO, OH, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU WANT TO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT ITEM, UM, ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS.I MADE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY THAT ARE ON THE TABLE.
IF THEY'RE STILL TOO SMALL FOR YOU TO READ.
I DO HAVE IT UP HERE ON THE SCREEN.
SO, SO THE, THE VERSION THAT'S, UH, THAT THE COPIES OF, UM, AND I, I SENT OUT ALSO ADDED A COUPLE MORE THINGS AFTER SOME FEEDBACK THAT I HEARD FROM FOLKS, UM, AT THE BOTTOM HERE.
SO THE COMMUNITY HEALTH, THE ECOLOGY, RESOURCE EFFICIENCY AND ADAPTIVE REUSE OR, OR ADDED, UH, SINCE, UH, IT IS THE FIRST VERSION.
SO AGAIN, THE INTENT OF THIS, AND, AND, AND I'M COMING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT OUR GOAL HERE WITH THE TASK FORCE IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF METRICS, THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THRESHOLDS.
AND ULTIMATELY, ONCE DEFINED, UM, MAKE SOME DECISIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHERE THEY WOULD MOST APPROPRIATELY LIVE.
WHETHER THAT BE THE CITY CODE, UH, IN ZONING TYPE TEXTS, UH, ESSENTIALLY EVEN IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CHARTER.
BUT THE, THE FIRST THING IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE WANT TO PUT A THRESHOLD OR PUT A, YOU KNOW, PUT A MEASUREMENT ON THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE.
WHAT, WHAT I BELIEVE THIS LIST IS, IT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, THAT AS, AS A, AS A GROUP, WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SEE AS THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, PUT LIMITS ON, OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, FOR ANY POTENTIAL, UH, DATA CENTER, UH, UH, PROPOSAL THAT MIGHT COME DOWN, UH, MIGHT COME DOWN THE ROAD.
ALSO, KEEPING, KEEPING IN MIND, AND YOU KNOW, RON AND I WERE AT A, AT, UH, THE, UH, AT OHIO PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, UH, UH, TODAY, UH, THEY DID A PRESENTATION ON DATA CENTERS
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AND, AND GROWTH AND THAT.AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I REMEMBER THEY DID POINT OUT WAS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE EVEN PROBABLY ON, ON THIS LIST, WE AS THE, AS THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL, LIKE POWER CONSUMPTION, RIGHT? WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DICTATE HOW MUCH SOMEBODY COULD CONSUME AS FAR AS ELECTRICITY IS GONNA, IS CONCERNED.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND IS WHAT'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE AGENCY OR, OR HOW, HOW COULD IT BE MEASURED, SLASHING ENFORCED, AND IN SOME CASES THAT IT MIGHT BE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
BUT, UM, SO THIS WAS, AGAIN, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A BRAIN DUMP FROM THE BEGINNING.
I'VE ADDED A FEW ADDITIONAL THINGS SINCE THE LAST TIME, UH, BASED ON SOME FEEDBACK, YOU KNOW, FROM THOSE THAT WERE, UH, AT THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.
AND, UH, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO, TO SAY WHAT ARE THE IMPORTANT THINGS AND THEN START FILLING IT IN, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE LAST MEETING, BUT I WATCHED IT ONLINE, UH, WITH, WITH THE PRESENTATION ABOUT WATER, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AWESOME, BY THE WAY.
UM, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IN A POSITION TO START DETERMINING OR, OR PUTTING SOME, EVEN JUST SOME INITIAL NUMBERS DOWN FOR WATER? YOU KNOW? AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HELP LEAD WHO WE WANT, WHO WE WANNA BRING IN, WHO WE NEED TO BRING IN.
BECAUSE THE, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO POPULATE THIS, TO FILL THIS IN, TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT, WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
HERE'S HOW IT CAN BE MEASURED.
UM, AND, UH, AND, AND ONCE IT'S FILLED IN, THAT'S WHEN WE MOVE TO, OKAY, HOW COULD IT BE ENFORCED? WHERE SHOULD IT MOVE? SO BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE PATH, WHICH YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB WITH ALL THESE THINGS, SO, SO THE PATH THAT WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN IS IMPLYING, NOT IMPLYING IS IS SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET A DATA CENTER.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR THINGS? OR IS IT, OR IS IT MORE WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S BAD? WHAT'S THE TRUTH AND WHAT'S NOT THE TRUTH? AND WE DISCOVER THAT AND THEN WEIGH THOSE THINGS.
SO I WASN'T SURE, AND I MISSED THE FIRST TWO MEETINGS, SO I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE GOAL WAS.
IT'S A COMBINATION OF BOTH OR JUST TO ASSUME WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DATA CENTER, SO THEY WERE GONNA SET PARAMETERS.
AND I WANTED TO ASK THAT, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE GOAL WAS FOR EVERYONE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT THE GOAL OF THE TASK FORCE ITSELF.
THE OUTPUT, THE OUTPUT OF THE TASK FORCE IS TO DEFINE STANDARDS AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE THEY SHOULD LIVE.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ZONING TECHS, CITY CODE, WHATEVER THAT, SO IT IS MORE THAN WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DATA CENTER, BUT WE HAVE TO DECIDE.
NO, NO, I THINK IT'S MORE BEST.
I THINK IT'S MORE IF WE WANTED TO ADD STANDARDS IN, RIGHT.
WHAT STANDARDS WOULD WE WANT TO ADD? I DON'T WANNA PLAY STEVEN'S ROLE, AND I THINK I'VE SAID THIS A FEW MEETINGS NOW.
MY FAVORITE THING TO CONTINUE TO SAY AS STEVEN HAS, HAS SO WELL ARTICULATED, THE, THE CODES, THE WAY THAT WE ARE PLANNING PROCESS IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY.
IT'S ALREADY MORE, I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD USE THE WORD IRONCLAD, BUT LIKE, IT IS BETTER TO HAVE NOTHING YEAH.
THAN TO DEFINE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY COULD MEET MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE DEFINITIVELY DEFINING THIS, AND IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT WHAT THE DATA CENTER TASK FORCE IS GONNA RECOMMEND IN THE END.
AND THERE'LL BE A DATA CENTER.
I THINK IT'S MORE WHAT, WHAT ALAN IS DRIVING WITH THIS IS, IS THIS SOMETHING WE'D WANT TO PUT IN AND SAY WE SHOULD ADD TO THE CITY CODE, SOMETHING ABOUT POWER, AND WHAT WOULD THAT STANDARD BE? OR MAYBE IN THE END, IT'S A DECISION AND A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DON'T ADD ANYTHING, RIGHT? BECAUSE FROM THE GUIDANCE OF OUR LAW DIRECTOR, THERE IS SATISFACTION IN THE PROCESS THAT UNFOLDS TO SAY, OR WE ADD SOMETHING EVEN STRONGER THAT SAYS NOTHING WILL COME.
THE, THE END RESULT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE SPECTRUM OF SAYING, YES, WE WOULD ALLOW A DATA CENTER, BUT UNDER THESE CRITERIA ALL THE WAY TO, WE DON'T WANT A DATA CENTER EVER.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA PUT IN, IN THE CHARTER THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE A DATA CENTER IN GROVE CITY.
YOU KNOW? SO YOU COULD HAVE ONE OF, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE EXTREMES OR SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE, POTENTIALLY.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I, I THINK THAT I, I KNOW MYSELF ON COUNCIL AS, AS, AS WE, WE'VE GOING THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PAST YEAR, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS, THAT, THAT I WAS STRUGGLING WITH WAS, WELL, WHAT ARE OUR STANDARDS? WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE? IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE LOOK AT ONE OF THESE AND SAID, NO, NONE OF THEM NEVER
YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS A HUNDRED OR SEVEN OR WHATEVER THE
AND ACTUALLY THAT, THAT'S WHY I USED THE WORD GUIDELINES ON THE TITLE.
YOU KNOW, THIS COULD END UP BEING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN OUR CODE.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT IN OUR, UH, ZONING TEXT AT ALL.
IT'S GUIDELINES THAT ARE SITTING HERE SO THAT IF THE DATA CENTER COMPANY COMES, COMES AROUND AGAIN, WE CAN SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES WE CAME UP WITH.
CAN YOU MEET 'EM? AND IF THEY SAY, NO, NO WAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, GO NEXT DOOR, YOU
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KNOW, GO TO THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY.OR MAYBE THEY SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MEET 17 OF THE 18TH.
OKAY, WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 18TH.
BUT, BUT WE DON'T, I FELT THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY STANDARDS TO EVEN START THE CONVERSATION.
WELL, BECAUSE THE DATA CENTER ITSELF ALL NEW.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, AS A TOWNSHIP, WE'RE NOT, I
WELL, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE ZONING IS, DATA CENTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT? CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED BY USE, BUT IT COULD COME IN UNDER THE THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED BY, THEY'RE NOT BY.
THAT DOES, THAT MEANS THAT THE ANSWER WE'RE STARTING WITH IS NO.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT COUNSEL CAN'T CHANGE THEIR MIND.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT A DATA CENTER AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO X, Y, AND Z AND THAT THE CODE ALLOWS THEM TO EITHER GRANT THEM BY USE OR TO CONTINUE WITH, UH, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED.
BECAUSE AGAIN, ANYBODY CAN ASK.
A HUNDRED PERCENT CAN'T EVER STOP THAT.
WELL, ASKING JUST MEANS THEY'RE INTERESTED IN US.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE INTERESTED IN THEM.
AND SO THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE MISNOMER THERE.
JUST BECAUSE THEY ASK AND BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO ASK.
I THINK, I THINK FOR ME, UM, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS, SO THE, THE MATRIX IS ALMOST LIKE SOMEWHAT OF A GUIDE.
THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF MY WAY OF LOOKING AT IT.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER USE, POWER, NOISE AND WHATNOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT I'VE, I'VE LEARNED ENOUGH IN MY TIME ON THIS TASK FORCE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DETERMINE WHAT THE REGULATION OR STANDARD SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, SO COULD THIS BE LIKE A STARTING POINT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF USE THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AS LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A CHECKLIST? YEAH, THAT WAS MY INTENT.
SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WATER AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE WERE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE E-M-H-U-T-I-I, I WAS ABLE TO LEARN A LOT.
DO I STILL FEEL LIKE I, I KNOW WHAT, WHAT THAT STANDARD SHOULD LOOK LIKE? NO, BUT I LEARNED MORE THAN I KNEW BEFORE THAT MEETING.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT IS A GUIDE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND ULTIMATELY, AFTER WE GET THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, IF WE'RE EVEN ABLE TO GET ALL THOSE DIFFERENT EXPERTS TO COME IN, THEN THE DISCUSSION COULD BE DO WE WANNA SET STANDARDS? ARE WE GONNA KEEP IT HOW IT IS? OR DO WE WANNA OUTRIGHT BA THAT SOCIAL DIVERSITY? UM, I JUST THINK WE'RE NOT, LIKE, I DON'T PERSONALLY, MY, MY OWN, UH, STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK I'M AT A POSITION WHERE I CAN EVEN LIKE DETERMINE WHAT, WHAT THESE
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALL THE RED TBDS.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FILL IN
SO IT'S LIKE A JOURNEY WE'RE ALL LEARNING.
AND HITTING THESE AREAS ONE BY ONE.
I JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHICH ONES WE WANNA PRIORITIZE.
IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
I KNOW, ALAN, SINCE YOU CREATED A LIST, MAYBE, MAYBE WE JUST GO BY LINE BY LINE, BECAUSE I, I HEAR, I HEAR THE SAME THING.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO TONIGHT SAY LIKE 100, 1 50 OR, AND MAYBE THAT WAS YOUR INTENTION.
BUT MAYBE WE AT LEAST JUST START TALKING LINE BY LINE, RIGHT.
TO MORE IDENTIFY IS POWER SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK INTO MORE? HOW DO WE EVALUATE THAT? WATER, AS YOU SAID WAS OUR LAST MEETING.
WHAT DID WE TAKE AWAY FROM THAT? WHAT DO WE THINK? CAN YOU, CAN YOU ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID, UM, OR TOWN HALL SOMETHING TODAY.
WE'VE GOT TAMMY RAISED HER HAND.
I JUST WANT, I WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE, SINCE MAJORITY AROUND THE TABLE ARE VOLUNTEERS, WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PRESS CORPS HERE.
AND, UH, SHE WILL BE TAKING SOME PICTURES OF THE, JUST THE MEETING IN GENERAL.
IT IS, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU TYPICALLY SIGN UP FOR, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING.
UM, WE, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH.
SO JUST SO, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, UH, I DIDN'T WANT, I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SEE IT LATER AND WONDER WHAT HAPPENS.
IN CASE YOU WHY YOU DIDN'T GET A VOTE ON THIS, GET A VOTE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOUR, THAT'S A CONVERSATION.
MY QUESTION WAS JUST, UH, YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER ABOUT A MEETING YOU BOTH WERE AT TODAY, UHHUH ABOUT POWER AND NOT ALLOWED TO BE REGULATED.
LIKE HOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
WE, WE WERE AT THE, UH, MID OHIO, UM, REGIONAL MORE.
AND THEY, THEY DID A, THEY DID A THING TODAY ABOUT, UH, ABOUT DATA CENTERS, DATA CENTER G ESPECIALLY SPECIFICALLY IN MIDWEST AND IN OHIO.
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UH, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, OUT OF OUR CONTROL.THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ARE OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
WE, WE CAN REGULATE HOW MUCH POWER SOMEBODY CAN CONSUME.
THAT'S UP TO PJ M YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR SUPPLIER FOR THIS REGION.
AND WHATEVER STATE REGULATE THE PCO, RIGHT? STEVEN, ME, IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING IN TERM, BUT PCO AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH PJM AND, AND THAT'S DETERMINED AND THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS, COULD WE PUT A RESTRICTION TO SAY WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY HERE THAT'S PULLING MORE THAN X MEGAWATTS? IS THAT, I MEAN, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM PULLING THE POWER, BUT COULD YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN THAT SAYS, IF YOU'RE A SITE THAT PULLS MORE THAN X, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'D BE UNBELIEVABLY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO CHECK THEIR METER.
WE DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.
NOW WE COULD SAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A THIRD PARTY WHO'S GONNA BE NEUTRAL, WHO'S GONNA COME INSPECT THEM.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW THEM ON THE SITE.
UM, SO I POWER'S ONE OF THOSE.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY UNIQUE BECAUSE WE TRULY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.
WE HAVE NO REGULATIONS, WE HAVE NO ABILITY TO DO THAT.
SO I, I CAN'T SAY THE ANSWER IS WE COULDN'T DO IT.
BUT I WOULD TELL YOU, AND MY GUT TELLS ME WITHOUT RESEARCHING IT FURTHER, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO DEAL WITH POWER.
AND HOW, AND HOW IT WORKS IS THE CITY UNDER OUR HOME WILLPOWER, WE GET OUR POWER FROM THE OHIO CONSTITUTION.
THE CONSTITUTION TELLS US WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT'S CALLED A GENERAL LAW OF THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO POWER.
AND WITH THE PUCO AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT'S THE GENERAL LAW OF THE STATE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY, EVEN UNDER OUR HOME RULE POWER ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION, TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THE STATE LAW ALLOWS.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CONFLICT, WHICH WE CAN'T DO.
SO POWER'S ONE OF THOSE THAT I WOULD, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT'S A, A POOL WE COULD DIP OUR TOE IN.
SO WE CAN'T RESTRICT SOMEBODY FOR COMING.
CAN WE RESTRICT OR REQUIRE THAT THEY PAY FOR ANY INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE? OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
FRANKLY, I THINK AS LONG AS THEY'RE PAYING FOR ALL.
AND, AND I THINK THE LAW DOES, AND I MET WITH POWER PEOPLE, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS.
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT, BUT I MEAN, HOW THE LAW IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FUND ALL OF THE COSTS OF THAT.
AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GUARANTEE TO PAY A PER, PER PERCENTAGE, EVEN IF THEY NEVER USED THAT POWER JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY ALREADY, I THINK OHIO LAW ALREADY MANDATES THAT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DID, THERE'S A-P-A-C-O MANDATED YEAH.
THE DATA CENTER TARIFF, BASICALLY ELECTRICITY TARIFF.
WHICH THEY ARE, BECAUSE WHAT WAS HAPPENING, AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE TESTIMONY OF THE PJ M AND SOME AND PCO, IS THAT WHEN THEY, WHEN DATA CENTERS WERE COMING IN AND GOING TO PJM AND SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO BE, WE WANT TO CONNECT TO THE GRID AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE USING.
WHEN THEY WERE ASKING HOW MUCH POWER THEY WERE GIVING ESTIMATES, THE ESTIMATES WERE ALL VERY HIGH.
AND SO DATA CENTERS WERE JUST LIKE, OH, I DON'T KNOW THIS MANY MEGAWATTS, THIS MANY MEGAWATTS.
AND WHAT THEY FOUND IS THAT WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, NEEDING MORE INFRASTRUCTURE, PJ YOU KNOW, STRETCHING THE GRID.
AND THEN WHAT THEY WERE FINDING IS THAT THEY WEREN'T ACTUALLY USING AS MUCH AS THEY WERE SAYING.
SO THEIR FORECAST WAS VERY HIGH.
SO IN AN EFFORT TO CONTROL THAT, UM, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY
WE DON'T CARE IF YOU USE LESS THAN THAT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ASK FOR 80 AND YOU ONLY USE 60, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, ONLY USE 40, YOU'RE STILL PAYING 85% OF THAT 80.
IF YOU USE MORE, THEN YOU'RE PAYING THE AMOUNT ABOVE THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A DEAL.
UM, BUT THAT WAS AN EFFORT TO MAKE THEM FORECAST APPROPRIATELY SO THAT PJO COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, OPERATE THE GRID AS BEST THEY, YOU KNOW, FORECASTING, UH, DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THAT.
SO AGAIN, AND THAT IS THE STATE ISSUE EVEN SAID, I MEAN, I, SO I MEAN, AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT THEY PAY, THAT'S PROBABLY, UM, PROBABLY ALREADY IN PLACE.
BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE BIG THING IS THAT THE ACTUAL, WHEN THEY START LOOKING AT HAVING TO IMPROVE THE GRID AND ALL THE COSTS INVOLVED WITH THAT, THE BIG ARGUMENT, AND WE SAW IT IN THE TESTIMONY, IS THAT IF, IF THEY SOCIALIZE THOSE COSTS, IT'S GONNA BE PUSHED OUT.
PJM IS GONNA JUST INCLUDE THAT AND IT'S GONNA GET PUSHED OUT.
SO THEY MAY COME ALONG AND BE PAYING IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT IT'S PUSHED OUT 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN SOCIALIZED.
SO THE WHOLE GOAL WAS TO NOT SOCIALIZE IT AND MAKE THEM
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PAY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE UP FRONT.AND I THINK THAT'S A VALID, BECAUSE THE MORE I LISTEN, THE WHOLE I GIVE IT AGAIN.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT SOCIALIZATION, YOU NEVER PULL THAT BACK.
OUR RATES AREN'T GOING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE UP 63% OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WAS PUT IN THERE.
DATA CENTERS ARE SAYING, OH, NO WORRY, DON'T WORRY, WE'LL PAY.
IF IT'S BEEN SOCIALIZED, WE ARE PAYING.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT IF WE LOOKED AT THAT, YOU'VE GOT TWO ISSUES.
NOT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY PAY.
BUT I LIKE THE 85% BECAUSE THAT DOES HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMETHING.
AND IF THERE'S ABANDONED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE AN ABANDONED COST, RIGHT.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY GOOD.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT, CAN WE SAY YOU PAY FOR THE TRANSMISSION OR THE UPGRADES BEFORE IT GETS SOCIALIZED? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BEHIND THE METER THING ONLY IT'S BEFORE IT GETS SOCIALIZED WITH BJ M SO, AND I, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
WELL, AND I, I ASSUME A, THEY COME IN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO YES.
SOME OF THIS, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE AUCTION YEAH.
SO, SO WHEN IT'S SOCIALIZED, THAT ALL BECOMES PART OF THE AUCTION.
AND SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO GET THAT OUT OF THE NUMBERS.
SO IT'S NOT SOCIALIZED IN THE NUMBERS.
WITH PJM, IT DOESN'T GO OUT TO THE AUCTION, WHICH MEANS IT DOESN'T GO OUT TO THE RATE PAYERS.
SO, SO WE AS A, WE AS A CITY, WE CAN'T RESTRICT HOW MUCH POWER SOMEBODY USES AND WE CANNOT MAKE SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY EXCEED A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
I THINK YOU'D BE HARD PRESSED TO, I, I MEAN NOW WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE EXTENDING INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS I THINK THE MESSAGE OR THE THING YOU, WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME.
THE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA COME IN AND BUILD A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU EXTEND THE SEWER, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU EXPEND THE WATER, WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU PAY FOR ALL OF THAT SO IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THEN GET PASSED TO POSSIBLE TO EVERYONE.
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE 'EM UPGRADE.
THE SUBSTATION POWER'S JUST ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE ITEMS THAT FRANKLY WE JUST CAN'T, CAN'T CONTROL.
I, LIKE I SAID, MY GUT, I, I'LL RESEARCH IT TO GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, BASED ON MY 27 YEARS OF DOING MUNICIPAL OFF, THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE DON'T GET APPLY IN TO REGULARLY.
SO THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION MARK.
WE'LL WAIT FOR, BUT WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THE INFRAS STRUCTURE UPGRADES THAT'S WITHIN OUR
OH, FOR OTHER STUFF? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S IS KIND OF, OH, WE MAKE, I MEAN, WE MAKE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR ALL KINDS OF COOL THINGS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS KYLE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU JUST TO RUN WATER TO WHERE YOU NEED IT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE YOU RUN WATER TO THE PROPERTY LINE SO THAT THE NEXT PERSON WHO NEEDS IT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT IT THERE.
SO WE MAKE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR THAT STUFF ALL THE TIME.
BUT YEAH, ELECTRICITY, SUBSTATION ELECTRICITY IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, I DON'T SEE HOW I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED.
I THINK A EP WOULD PROBABLY, FRANKLY, I'LL BE VERY SURPRISED TOO.
AND, AND I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THE CITY HAS RETAINED AN EXPERT, UM, WHO WORKS FOR SCIOTO ENERGY, WHO HAS BEEN ADVISING US.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH THE AGGREGATION PROCESS.
I MEAN, IF YOU NEED SOMEONE, IF YOU, I DON'T WANNA SAY YOU DON'T TRUST A EP, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM SOMEONE WHO'S NOT PART OF THE A EP TEAM, UM, HE'S GREAT.
I MEAN, HE HAS HELPED EXPLAIN THE WHOLE AGGREGATION PROCESS.
UM, HE MIGHT BE SOMEONE, LIKE I SAID, HE, HE'S ON OUR PAYROLL NOW BECAUSE HE ADVISES US OF POWER ISSUES.
SO HE MIGHT BE WORTH, IF YOU WANT AN OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY WHO'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A EP OR PGM, IS THERE A SPECIFIC NAME? UM, IT'S GREG BECKER AT, UH, CIO ENERGY, EXCEPT IT'S NOT CALLED CIO ENERGY BECAUSE THEY'VE CHANGED NAMES.
AND HE'S, IF FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO COME TO COUNCIL ALL THE TIME, HE HAS SHOWED UP BOTH THE TIMES WE'VE DONE THE AGGREGATION THING.
AND LIKE I SAID, HE UNDERSTANDS THIS STUFF BETTER THAN ANYONE IN.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS WATERS TALKING ABOUT WATER AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS LIST CAME FROM, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
ALL THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WERE, WERE, WERE SAYING THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH.
THAT'S ALL THESE AREAS OF CONCERN, WHAT IT SAYS.
SO WATER USE, NOW WATER USE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
AND I THINK LAST, AT THE LAST MEETING, KYLE, AND YOU EVEN WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, UM, RECYCLED, YOU CAN'T IN, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE TEXT ITSELF, YOU CAN ACT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT RESTRICTIONS TO SAY YOU CAN ONLY USE X GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY.
AND PART OF THAT WAS BASED ON THE PIPE SIZE.
AND I REMEMBER THE WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
SO BY, BY THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE DIAMETER, YOU CAN ONLY GET SO MUCH WATER THROUGH THAT PIPE.
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IT IS ALMOST SELF REGULATING AND THE PIPES ARE OURS SO THAT WE DO CONTROL.SO THE WATER IS SOMETHING WE DEFINITELY CAN, YES.
NOW THE, THE ONLY THING WITH WATER THAT I DO HAVE TO CAUTION YOU IS WHEN WE DO, FOR EXAMPLE, BILLING, LIKE IF YOU USE ON YOUR WATER BILL, IF YOU USE X NUMBER, EVERYONE GETS CHARGED THE SAME.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PICK AND CHOOSE AND SAY, BY THE WAY, FOR YOU IT'S $1 A GALLON FOR YOU, IT'S $400 A GALLON.
WE DO HAVE TO HAVE UNIFORM RATES.
SO, I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU CAN'T JUST BE LIKE, OH, AS A, LET'S SAY A, UH, DATA CENTER, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU $400 MILLION A GALLON.
THERE IS A UNIFORMITY UNDER BOTH THE OHIO CONSTITUTION AND IN STATE LAW THAT YOU DON'T REALLY GET TO DO THAT.
SO YES, THERE'S, WE DO CONTROL IT AND YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BIT CREATIVE THERE, BUT YOU CAN'T GO HOG WILD ON THAT ONE.
IF WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE SIZE OR DIAMETER OR PIPES TO GET IT TO THE SITE.
THE, THE WAY WE CAN MAKE THEM PAY FOR, WE MAKE THEM PAY FOR IT.
WE MAKE DEVELOPERS PAY FOR UPGRADES ON PIPES.
ALL WHICH MAY BENEFIT EVEN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL YEAH, BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS SITE NOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF AROUND YOU.
WHAT CAN WE USE, USE YOU FOR TO GET STUFF THERE.
WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO USE DEVELOPMENT TO SOLVE OTHER CHALLENGES.
WE ARE IN A UNIQUE, UM, POSITION TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO PAY FOR LOT OF STUFF.
SO, SO WE CAN, WE CAN IMPOSE LIMITS IN THE ZONING, TAX AND DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, WHATEVER.
BUT THERE'S ALSO LITERALLY A PHYSICAL LIMITATION YEAH.
YOU, YOU CAN PUT A METER ON IT, YOU CAN CONTROL IT BY THE DESIGN OF THE PIPE.
AND, AND WE COULD USE THAT TO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AS WELL.
WELL, I MEAN, WASN'T THE BIG ONE FOR WATER.
NOT SO MUCH THE WATER GOING IN, BUT THE WATER GOING OUT.
I WAS GONNA ASK, THE CITY WANTS IT TO GO BACK TO THE TREATMENT PLANT, NOT DUMPED INTO A STREAM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT CONNECT TO THE, THAT IT HAVE TO GO TO TREATMENT PLANT.
THAT REQUIRES, THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
I THINK WE LEARNED THAT LAST WEEK.
SO DOES THAT, THAT COMES DOWN UNDER MATERIALS, WASTE MANAGEMENT, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY COME DOWN UNDER, UM, THE ENVIRONMENT ISSUES.
UM, I WOULDN'T BE UNDER THERE.
THERE'S NOT SOME, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A A, THERE'S NOT A SEPARATE LINE ABOUT IT OUT, BUT WATER USE AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION DURING PART OF THE PRESENTATION THAT EVERYTHING GOES BACK THROUGH THE TREATMENT.
IT SUPPORT US ALL THE WATER THAT WE, WE USED FOR DEVELOPMENT WILL COME FROM A TREATMENT FROM THE COLUMBUS SYSTEM.
NOTHING EVER IS TAKEN FROM THE GROUND.
WE DON'T USE GROUNDWATER FOR ANY TYPE OF PROCESSING.
EVERYTHING COMES FROM COLUMBUS AFTER, FOR COUGH.
FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH EMISSION T COLUMBUS IS DEVELOPING A NEW UTILITY CALLED GREAT WATER OR PURPLE WATER.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, SO IN THE FUTURE THERE COULD BE TWO SOURCES OF WATER.
EITHER THE REUSE OF THE WATER THAT'S BEEN CLEANED ONCE OR BY STRAIGHT FROM THE DISTRIBUTION, UH, OF CITY COLUMBUS'S TREATMENT BANKS.
SO NOTHING, THEY'RE NON POTABLE.
SO THERE'S POTABLE AND NON POTABLE.
THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SELL THE NON POTABLE WATER FOR USAGE.
IT WAS NEVER DETERMINED THOUGH.
AT WHAT POINT IS IT NOT BEING ABLE TO BE RECYCLED OR WE PURPOSED, IS THERE AN, IS THERE, CAN IT ALWAYS BE REPURPOSED? YOU KEEP DOING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR HOW LONG? YEAH.
RIGHT NOW ALL WATER BEING USED GOES BACK TO IT GOES TO THIS ROOM IS IS TREATED.
TREATED COMING IN, UH, INTO THE PIPES.
AND THEN WHEN IT LEAVES YOU, IT GETS TREATED GOING OUT, UH, UH, AND GETS TREATED BEFORE IT EVER GETS BACK INTO THE STREET.
SO IT'S ALL, ALL WATER RIGHT NOW THAT COLUMBUS IS SELLING IS POTABLE WATER CLEANED ON BOTH ENDS.
IT'S ALWAYS, IT CAN ALWAYS BE TREATED OVER AND OVER.
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS IT, THIS IS SO BAD.
WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PURPLE WATER THOUGH? THIS NEW POTABLE OR NON POTABLE WATER? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? WHATEVER.
LIKE HOW, HOW PURPLE, HOW MANY TIMES CAN THAT BE RECYCLED? YEAH.
NOT THE CURRENT WATER THAT'S COMING IN AND OUT.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PURPLE WATER.
HOW MANY TIMES CAN THAT CONTINUE TO BE RECYCLED UNTIL IT'S LIKE, WELL, MAYBE
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WE SHOULD MOVE ON.OR OR IF IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, UH, I GOTTA BE WITH THIS WATER.
IT CAN GO, IT CAN GO BACK TO BE, ALL OF OUR WATER IS GONNA GO IN, BE USED AND COME BACK OUT THROUGH.
AND IT'S NOT THE SAFE HEIGHT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, NOT TODAY.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS CONCEPT OF THE FUTURE YEARS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET.
AND I DON'T THINK WE ASKED THAT QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK WE ASKED THAT QUESTION ABOUT BEFORE.
THEY CAN RELEASE IT FROM THE TREATMENT PLANT, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT INTO THE STREAM.
IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH EPA REQUIREMENTS.
SO EVERYTHING COMING OUT FROM THE PIPE, FROM THE DISTRIBUTION BACK TO THE TREATMENT PLANT TO THE STREAM, THAT ALL HAS REQUIREMENTS THAT HAS TO MEET BY CITY OF COLUMBUS OR THE HIGH EPA OR ODNR, WHO, WHOEVER, EVERYTHING HAS TO MEET, COMPLY WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, THOSE ARE STANDARDS THAT WE AS A CITY WOULD NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO INSERT OURSELF IN AND SAY, OH, WE WANT THIS, THAT FALLS INTO THE BEYOND THIS.
WHAT IF WE CAN SAY WE WANT TO CLOSE THE ONE OPEN.
WELL THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE FOR A SITE, NOT THAT BE FOR A SITE.
WE'RE TALKING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE DATA CENTER WILL BE ON, ON THE DATA CENTER SITE.
THEY UTILIZE A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM WHERE THEY RECYCLE THE WATER TO A CERTAIN POINT.
AT THAT POINT, IF THEY HAVE TO REFILL OR WHATEVER, IT WOULD BE DISCHARGED TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND REFILL NEW WATER.
BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS COLUMBUS STARTING A NEW UTILITY OF REPURPOSING WASTEWATER TO BE USED AS NON POTABLE INDUSTRIAL WATER.
AND IT WOULD NOT BE SET UP SO THAT ONCE THEY USE THE SYSTEM, ONCE THEY HAVE TO IN ESSENCE EMPTY IT, THEY CAN'T JUST TURN THE HOSE ON AND LET IT GO.
IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO A SYSTEM TO THE COLUMBUS SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE MONITORED BY COLUMBUS.
AND COLUMBUS HAS TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE FEDERAL AND STATE.
SO IF THERE WAS ANY LEAKAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S GONNA ALL COME UNDER THE GUIDELINES THAT COLUMBUS HASCO ON THE GPA.
I'M SURE IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE CLEAN WATER ACT.
DO, DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER EMISSIONS? WE DON'T, BUT WE, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AND I'LL USE UM, NITRO, SORRY, AMERICAN NITRO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID THERE IS, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY EMISSIONS WITH THAT IS WE AS A CITY GET INVOLVED TO HELP WORK IT THROUGH THE CLEAN AIR ACT, ET CETERA.
WE DON'T SET THE STANDARDS, BUT WE'RE ENSURING THAT WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED WILL WORK THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
AND THEN WE WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH OHIO EPA TO DEAL WITH THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT SETTING ADDITIONAL STANDARDS ON THAT.
HOWEVER, WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED WILL WORK AND MEET THESE STANDARDS.
AND THEN WE WALK IT THROUGH, IN ESSENCE THE PROCESS WITH DEPA FROM THE CITY SIDE, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID WITH AMERICAN BY TRIAL.
I HAVE A WHOLE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP THAT DEALT WITH THAT THROUGH DPA.
'CAUSE THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD BY THE WAY.
BUT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SAY, WE WANT OUR THRESHOLD TO BE X, Y, AND Z THAT'S SET BY STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATORS.
BUT WE ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING WILL WORK AND THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IN ESSENCE VERIFY THAT.
AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THEM.
AND THEN KIND OF LIKE THE ELECTRIC, DOES THE CITY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, IF YOU ARE OVER THRESHOLD X, IS THAT THIS NO, THAT WOULD ALL BE STATE AND FEDERAL.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET THAT.
SO WE COULD NOT IMPOSE ANY TYPE OF PENALTY IF THEY GO OVER ACCEPTABLE.
I, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'D MEASURE IT.
ONCE AGAIN, WE HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT KIND OF ISSUE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO IT.
AND SECOND, I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH THIS.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH GENERAL LAWS OF THE STATE, EVEN US WITH OUR COOL HOMEROOM POWERS ON THE OHIO CONSTITUTION, WE STILL CAN'T VARY FROM THAT.
SO I, MY GUT TELLS ME WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SET SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS DONE.
BUT I'LL ADD THAT TO MY LIST OF RESEARCH.
AND THE STATE WOULD BE THE ONE WHO WOULD BE THE ONE ONGOING, THE ONGOING COMPLIANCE.
THEY COME OUT AND DO THE MEASURING.
THEY'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPOSE REALLY COOL SANCTIONS THAT WE WOULD DO THE ABILITY TO.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THE ANSWER IS DEFINITELY NOT, BUT I WOULD HESITATE TELLING YOU, I THINK YOU COULD.
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BILL 15, THE INTENT OF THAT WAS TO MAKE IT SO THAT SITES DIDN'T HAVE TO PLUG INTO THE GRID AND IMPACT OUR PERSONAL, UH, ELECTRICITY BILLS.BUT IT'S OPENED A DOOR WHERE THEY CAN NOW GENERATE THEIR OWN POWER.
DO WE? BUT WE AS A CITY, AGAIN, DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER THAT
THE STATE HAS SAID THAT THERE, AND, AND BY THE WAY, I DID THIS WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM THE FIRST ONE, AND I DID ASK OUR ENERGY GUY THIS QUESTION.
I MEAN, IF WALMART DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING, THEY COULD THE HOSPITAL.
UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ALL SET BY STATE LAW.
AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, YOU CAN'T DO THIS.
AND, AND, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT COULD BE ANY TYPE IT LIKE TALKING ABOUT FUEL CELLS.
BUT THEY COULD, THEY COULD PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
THEY COULD PUT, AND WE HAVE, THIS IS CALLED MANY NEWS.
HAVE, THIS WAS ENACT BY THE LEGISLATURE.
AND THESE RIGHTS EXIST AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY NO.
WELL, THE IDEA WAS TO ALLOW THEM TO GO BEHIND THE METER SO THAT IT DIDN'T GET SOCIALIZED AND IT DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT INTO ETHER WITHOUT THE RISK.
SO, I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE, BUT THERE'S A HUGE FEAR ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL AND NEVER WILL ZERO.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, AND FRANKLY WE DON'T NOW BECAUSE I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BUSINESS IS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S AIMED FOR DATA CENTERS 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE HUGE USERS.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IF, IF THE HOSPITAL TOMORROW SAID WE'RE GONNA DO X, Y, AND Z, THEY COULD, WE DON'T GET A VOTE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG THING FOR HOSPITALS.
AND I MIGHT, AND I'M NOT PICKING ON THE HOSPITAL, I SAID THIS, IT COULD BE SUNOCO ON THE CORNER MM-HMM
IF THEY WANTED TO DO THIS, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER OHIO LAW TO DO IT AND WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE.
BUT THAT, THAT IS, I DO THINK THAT THAT'S A HUGE DRIVER OF CONCERN.
AND, AND, UH, LONG-TERM QUALITY OF LIFE BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT AIR QUALITY.
SO I THINK WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN RESOLVE.
LIKE I THINK, I THINK THAT THE, OUR UTILITY BILLS ARE LOW LINE FRUITS AND THAT SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT EVERYBODY CAN GRAB ONTO AND SAY, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T FEAR, THIS IS REAL.
I'M SITTING HERE WITH, YOU KNOW, MY BILL'S 56% HIGHER THAN IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
THE THING THAT'S NOT AS TANGIBLE, ONCE WE RESOLVE ALL OF THOSE, WE THINK OF WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HAPPY.
THE NON-TANGIBLE STUFF IS THE STUFF THAT'S CAUSING THE QUALITY OF LIFE CONCERNS.
AND THOSE ARE BIGGER AND THEY'RE MORE EMOTIONALLY DRAWN AND THEY'RE GONNA BE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA FIGHT TO THE BLOODY END FOR THOSE MM-HMM
SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL, WE ARE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND THAT, THAT PROBABLY GOES TO THE, THE LARGER KIND OF OVERARCHING ISSUE, WHICH EVENTUALLY I THINK WILL COME TO WHERE THE COMMITTEE MAKES THAT DETERMINATION.
THAT'S EMERGING ISSUE OF JUST BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T STOP IT.
AND, BUT I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES A LITTLE BIT BEYOND KIND OF THE STATED, BECAUSE WE RECOMMENDS THAT OVER THE END.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW FOR OUR CHECKLIST I AGREE IS VERY, AND I DO THINK IT'S CHANGING SOMEWHAT.
I MEAN WITH ALL THE TALK ABOUT THE, THE AGREEMENTS.
I MEAN THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS SO DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTANTLY CHANGING MM-HMM
I MEAN YOU NOW HAVE, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GENERATING HIGH COUNTY AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ADD HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS OF MEGAWATTS TO THE PJ M GRID MM-HMM
AND SO THAT ALL IMPACTS, I MEAN, THAT IS GONNA IMPACT ALL OF THIS TOO.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING THAT UP BY 2030.
NOW I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALISTIC, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, AND YEAH, THOSE ARE KIND OF OVERARCHING POLICY.
I THINK WE DO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, UM, IN A LOT OF WAYS WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT.
WHETHER WE HAVE A DATA CENTER HERE OR NOT, WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT BECAUSE THE GM IS HUGE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A HUGE THING.
SO YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WITH THE ONSITE ENERGY GENERATION TOO, BECAUSE THE, THESE NOW IN SUCH LARGE SCALE, THIS IS NEW.
I THINK IT'D BE INTERESTING AT SOME POINT TO BE ABLE TO STATISTICALLY LOOK AT SOME THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY HAVE COME HERE OF THIS SIZE AND HAVE DONE THEIR ONSITE OWN ENERGY GENERATION RIGHT.
I THINK THAT ALMOST MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SEE JUST A COMPARISON.
AND BY NUMBERS OF WHO'S USING POWER OFF THEIR GRID, WHO'S DOING THEIR OWN ONSITE ENERGY CREATION, WHO'S JUST TO SEE LIKE HOW MUCH, HOW BIG OF A DELTA THAT IS.
WELL, I THINK IT'S ANY BUSINESS TO YOU CAN DO, YOU KNOW, AI ALLOWS, IN FACT, I WENT OUT AND ASKED THAT QUESTION, HOW MANY BUSINESSES HAVE THEIR OWN,
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YEAH.SO WHY WOULD I, WHY WOULD I, WHY WOULD I NOT USE IT? SO ANYTIME I USE IT, YEAH.
SO, SO YOU ARE, I WAS ABLE TO GET THE COMPLETE LIST OF ALL OF THOSE THAT HAVE THEIR OWN POWER.
AND SO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT KIND OF TIES BACK, WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC AND TO THE NORTH CORPORATION, BUT THEN THAT GOES BACK INTO WHY THIS IS OUR, I'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF BAD DAVE, BUT THE NEXT ONE, NOISE, VIBRATION, LIGHTING AND VISUAL.
AND I THINK JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY COMMENTS ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE ARE THAT I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T VALIDATE, OH MY GOD, THE PUBLIC, THAT WE HAVE FOUGHT ABOUT THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? ALL OF US, THEN I THINK ANYTHING WE DO IS GONNA COME UNDER A VERY CRITICAL EYE.
SO I JUST ALWAYS WANT US TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND ADDRESS THAT.
THAT THOSE ARE VERY VALID CONCERNS AND WE'RE NOT OVERLOOKING THOSE.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO LIVE OVER HERE.
SO, UM, SO I THINK, I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT WE ARE AT LEAST, UM, LOOKING AT THAT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND IT AND WE VALIDATE THAT.
THAT KIND OF GOES UNDER POLICY FOR ME.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GO THROUGH THIS CHECKLIST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT ACTUALLY CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON AND WHAT CAN'T WE YEAH.
UM, AND THEN WE DRIVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET IN THAT LANE AFTER WE GET THROUGH HERE.
SORRY, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.
IT DOES, ARE WE SAYING THAT ON ONSITE ENERGY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REGULATE? OR WE CANNOT NOT, THE STATE HAS ALREADY ALLOWED IT FOR BEHIND THE METER TYPE OPERATIONS FOR ANY BUSINESS.
SO LET'S SAY A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS TO HAVE UH, 30, UH, GAS TURBINES.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LIVE.
THIS IS BEHIND THE METER FOR A, FOR A PROJECT OR SITE.
SO LIKE, AND NOT, NOT PICK IT ON THE HOSPITAL.
IT'S, WE USE SUNOCO, THE GAS STATION.
IF THEY CAME TOMORROW AND SAID WE'RE GONNA PUT IN, UH, A FUEL CELL, OUR ANSWER IS OKAY.
UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A VOTE.
WELL, WE DON'T ACTUALLY GET A CHANCE TO SAY, OKAY, IT JUST IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING 30 GAS TURBINES TO SELL ENERGY BACK TO THE GRID.
SO IF, LET'S SAY TOMORROW, NOT GENERATORS, IF A FARMER TOMORROW DECIDES TO SELL THEIR LAND, SAY WE'RE GONNA PUT UP 400 WIND TURBINES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD STILL REGULATE.
BECAUSE THAT WHAT THE, THE LAW HAS DONE IN OHIO UNDER HOUSE BILL 15TH.
15TH IS THAT HAS DEALT WITH HERE ARE USERS WHO ARE OUT THERE ON THE GRID.
WE'RE GIVING THOSE USERS THE ABILITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN TO GENERATE THEIR OWN POWER TO FEED THEM.
BUT IF IT'S LIKE SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT IN A SOLAR FIELD JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT, TO SELL IT BACK TO THE GRID TO A P OR A WIND FARM THAT WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO DEAL WITH AND THEY'RE GENERATING JUST FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CANNOT TRANSMIT.
SO THAT'S THE BIG, THEY, THEY, UNLESS THEY BECOME TRANSMITTERS WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD FOR WHAT THEY'RE, BUT THAT'S WHOLE DIFFERENT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT VOLUME.
AND THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY GET A LICENSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO TRANSMITTERS.
SO THIS IS JUST GENERATION ONLY FOR THEIR FACILITY? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO NOISE, VIBRATION, LIGHT, INDIVIDUAL NOISE, I MEAN NOISE.
WE HAVE NOISE RESTRICTIONS IN OUR CODE RIGHT NOW.
UM, NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A DECIBEL LEVEL IN OUR CODE.
WE COULD, UM, I DO HAVE CITIES.
YEAH, WE HAVE SOME, WHAT I DO HAVE CITIES THAT HAVE THINGS WITH DECIBEL LEVELS.
UM, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DECIMAL READERS, BUT WE GET THOSE, THOSE ARE EASY.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE REGULATE.
NOW THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT GOES BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE THAT IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THIS IS ALL MEASURED FROM.
SO WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE, WHATEVER THEY ARE, THEY ARE, YEAH.
I WILL TELL YOU, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE INTERESTING BECAUSE I, I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT WHAT THE MECHANISM IS FOR ENFORCING THAT.
I MEAN, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CODES THAT HAVE NOISE NUMBERS IN IT.
I HAVEN'T SEEN A CODE THAT SAYS WHAT KIND OF, WHAT THE STANDARD IS, BUT I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NUMBER IS AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT NUMBER'S ENFORCED.
I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S THINGS THAT MEASURE VIBRATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT YEAH.
NOISE AND VIBRATION, THINGS WE CAN PLAY IN.
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I ASK A QUESTION? UM, BACK TO THE NOISE.AND IT'S A CERTAIN DECIBEL, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CODE FOR THE DURATION OF SUCH NOISE? YEAH.
WHAT, YEAH, SO WE HAVE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON CONSTRUCTION CAN ONLY TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THIS HOUR AND THIS HOUR.
YOU CAN'T START BEFORE LIKE 7:00 AM OR THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE.
WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON THE TIMES ON THE, UM, WE CAN SET A LEVEL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
AND WE CAN DO IT BASED ON A PEAK NOISE.
WE CAN DO IT BASED ON HOWEVER, I MEAN RIGHT NOW MOST OF OUR CODE IS UNDER WHAT WE CALL GENERAL STANDARDS THAT IT OFFENDS THE SENSIBILITIES OF A NORMAL PERSON IS KIND OF WHAT OUR CODE SAYS GENERICALLY.
UM, SO LIKE, I MEAN, TO ME, I ALWAYS LOOK AT MOTORCYCLE.
WE HAVE MOTORCYCLE PEOPLE IN HERE.
THOSE OFFEND MY SENSIBILITIES, BUT THEY CAN BE AS LOUD AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY WERE DESIGNED.
UM, BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, IN GENERAL, WHEN IT COMES TO ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS, WE CAN SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE NOISE THAT GOES BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IMPACT THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU NOW YOU'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT STANDARD IS.
UM, I MEAN I, UM, AND WHEN I MET WITH THE, THE CCA FOLKS THAT HAD, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT STANDARD VERY BRIEFLY, BUT THE NUMBERS THAT, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THE VERSIONS WERE REALLY LOW.
IT WAS LIKE ALMOST LIKE A REFRIGERATOR INSIDE A HOUSE.
NOW COULD YOU DO THAT? YEAH, YOU COULD, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE.
YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL 'CAUSE THE BAND ON FRIDAY NIGHT IS LOUDER THAN THE DATA CENTER OR WHATEVER.
WE'VE NEVER CITED THE BAND, BUT THAT'S FOR SURE.
LIKE YOU SET A STRICT LIMIT, SOMEBODY COULD SAY, HEY, I, YEAH, I, I MEAN I, SOME OF THE NUMBERS I SAW IN ONE OF THE VERSIONS, I MEAN FRANKLY, IF YOU DROVE A CAR ACROSS THE PROPERTY AT NIGHT, YOU'RE OVER THE DECIMAL.
SO THERE HAS TO BE, I MEAN YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
LIKE THE ALBANY, THAT'S LIKE THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THE DATA CENTER JUST CAN'T GO OVER THAT MEASUREMENT.
AND, AND WE'VE DONE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN DUBLIN.
I MEAN WE DID THAT WHEN EVERYONE, ANYONE ELSE USED GO THE BOGEY END, WE WOULD GO TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES NEAR THERE AND MEASURE IT TO SEE IF THEY WERE EXCEEDING THE SOUND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO OBVIOUSLY INFRINGE UPON, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS.
SO THERE'S WAYS TO DEAL WITH NOISE AND FRANKLY THERE'S WAYS TO DEAL WITH VIBRATION.
I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THAT STANDARD.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE, YOU PICK A DECIBEL UP.
RIGHT? WHEN IT COMES TO VIBRATION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LEVEL'S CALLED.
OH, WE'LL HAVE FIGURE THAT OUT.
OH, YOU SKIP LIGHTING AND VISUAL.
WE CONTROL THAT RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
WE HAVE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN OUR CODE FOR LIGHTING AND WHEN IT COMES TO VISUAL, WHAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS.
NOW, I WILL TELL YOU LIGHTING OUR CODE IS GENERALLY BASED UPON, WE HAVE BOTH MINIMUM, WE HAVE MINIMUM STANDARDS IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LIGHTING IS.
UM, NOW YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO MAXIMUM STANDARDS TOO.
AND WE, WE DO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT LIGHTS SPILLING OVER ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
BUT NORMALLY WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS ON THE OTHER, I I THINK PROBABLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO DO HERE IS WE USUALLY SET MINIMUMS. LIKE IT'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST THIS RIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK HERE YOU'RE PROBABLY WANTING TO SAY WE WANT IT TO BE LESS THAN THAT AND WE COULD DO THAT TOO.
AND THAT'S MOSTLY JUST WHERE IT BUTTS UP TO MAYBE RESIDENTIAL? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT REALLY, WHEN IT BUTTS UP TO ANYTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT THE LIGHT POLLUTION IS GOING ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT.
SO, BUT I MEAN FRANKLY LIKE WE DID OUR HOLTON, OUR ORDERS ROAD PROJECT AND I HAD PEOPLE, THERE'S A LIGHT POLE KIND OF BY ONE OF YOUR PROPERTIES THERE THAT SHINES RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAVE TO HAVE IT AT A CERTAIN BRIGHTNESS FOR A STREET.
SO OH, WE CAN MANDATE THAT ALL THE, ALL THE LIGHTS DOWN FIXTURES.
AND, AND THE LIGHT CAN'T LEAD OVER TO THE NEXT PROPERTY.
HE ALREADY HAS THOSE STANDARDS.
SO WE CAN PULL, WE CAN PULL WHAT WE HAVE, ADJUST AS NEEDED.
UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS, HAZMAT LIMITS, ET CETERA.
YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL?
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NO, IT'S JUST THAT WITH THOSE, THOSE, THOSE CONCERNS YOU, YOU CAN'T USE A WATER SYSTEM.AND DATA CENTERS FIRE OUT, DRIVE EXTINGUISHERS VERSUS THAT.
AND WHO ELSE CAN COME? WE HAVE, WE HAVE A EXPLOSION THERE AND EVERYTHING ON FIRE.
WE'LL HAVE HELP WITH MUTUAL AID FROM A FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD COME.
UM, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I'M NOT SURE WE BROUGHT UP FIRE AND SAFETY, BUT THERE'S A PART OF THE PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A JACKSON TOWNSHIP FIRE INSPECTOR.
THEY GET THE PLANS FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT.
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU ARTICULATE THAT MORE JUST SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN GROSS CITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE TOWNSHIP GETTING PLANS AND BEING ABLE TO INSPECT AND REVIEW PLANS AND GIVE FEEDBACK BACK? FROM, FROM THE MOMENT WE GIVE PLANS INTO OUR OFFICE, WE DO OUR BEST TO COORDINATE WITH ALL THE OUTSIDE ENTITIES, WHETHER IT BE JACKSON TOWNSHIP, WHETHER IT BE OO WHOEVER.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S AT THE TABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE.
SO WITH JACKSON TOWNSHIP, UH, THEIR FIRE MARSHAL ATTENDS ALL OF OUR MEETINGS, UH, AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WHICH GOES THROUGH MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS BEFORE EVEN HITS
SO THEY'RE WELL INGRAINED, UH, TO RAISE THEIR SAFETY ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO GET, NOBODY WANTS TO GET TO THE END OF THE PROCESS TO HAVE A HAND RAISE AND SAY, WE HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
SO WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE UP TO SPEED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HEARD, THEY'RE REPRESENTED.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE ALL THE CONCERNS ARE, ARE ADDRESSED.
AND, AND RIGHT NOW ALL OF US LIVE UNDER THE OHIO FIRE CODE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE STANDARDS, WHERE THE GUIDELINES ARE.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF US ARE GONNA LOOK TO FOR THE ANSWER.
WHEN IT COMES TO AT LEAST PUBLIC SAFETY FROM THE FIRE SIDE OF THINGS, YES.
JUST AS WE'RE APPLYING OUR CODE AND OUR STANDARDS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THERE TO APPLY THE HIGHER FIRE CODE.
THE BUILDING DIVISION WILL BE THERE TO APPLY THE HIGH BUILDING CODE.
ODOT WILL BE THERE TO, TO APPLY THE, THE HIGHWAY MANUAL.
EVERYONE BRINGS THEIR SET OF REGULATIONS TO THE TABLE AS PART OF THIS REVIEW PROCESS.
AND, AND THERE WAS, I MEAN, THERE WAS A STRUGGLE FOR A WHILE.
WE IRON IT OUT, WORK, WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER VERY WELL.
WELL, I WOULD SAY, I, I, I THINK SO.
NO MATTER WHAT, THE MORE YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE PERSONALITIES, AND IT IS JUST, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT IDEAS, BUT EVERYONE HAS THE BEST INTEREST.
AND THE FIRE CODE'S A LITTLE BIT, THE FIRE CODE'S A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CODE HAS BOTH STANDARDS AND THERE ARE DISCRETIONARY THINGS IN THE FIRE CODE THAT WE HEAR FROM THE TOWNSHIP SAYING, HEY, HERE'S THE STANDARD, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME DISCRETION HERE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, I, I THINK WE'D BE HARD PRESSED TO COME UP WITH REQUIREMENTS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN THE OHIO FIRE CODE.
UM, BUT THE FIRE CODE, LIKE I SAID, IS, IS VERY VOLUMINOUS.
PLUS, THERE'S ENOUGH DISCRETION IN THERE THAT I THINK WE CAN ASK FOR THINGS MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ASK FOR A LITTLE EXTRAS.
AND TO SOME EXTENT, AND THERE ARE SOME FEARS AND SOME UNKNOWNS ABOUT THE HAZARDOUS FUMES.
IS THAT, IS THAT CANCER CAUSING, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DANGER NO.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING INTO THAT.
AND SO THERE, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME FEARS ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR, OUR PERSONALITY, WE HAVE 120 FIREMEN PLUS ONE ANOTHER TOWNSHIPS ARE HELP, ARE HELPING US AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S A REAL CONCERN.
LEARNING MORE ABOUT, HEY MM-HMM.
WE DON'T WANT OUR FOLKS TO BE THERE.
AND NOW THEY, THEY GOT CANCER AND DYING IN FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS.
I WAS TALKING TO MR. TEER TODAY, THE SAFETY DIRECTOR.
I KNOW HIM AS PART OF HIS, UH, SAFETY COMMITTEE.
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT BRINGING, UH, EXPERTS FROM, UH, THE LOWY COUNTY AREA WHERE THEY HAD A LOT OF DATA CENTERS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.
SO, UH, I, I CAN REACH BACK OUT TO MR. TEER TO SEE IF WE GET THAT SAME SPEAKER TO SPEAK TO THIS GROUP OR ONCE SOMETHING I, I DON'T WANNA DOWNPLAY THE PUBLIC SAFETY DECIDES.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY UNBELIEVABLY IMPORTANT TO US AND THE TOWNSHIP.
I DO THINK THIS IS ONE IN TERMS OF THIS COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD LOOK AT IT AND WE KNOW IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT IN TERMS OF CRAFTING SPECIFIC REGULATIONS PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
BUT IF WE, BUT I THINK IF WE LEARN SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT AND CERTAIN THINGS WE'D SHARE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT IN THE NEXT ROUND OF.
'CAUSE THEY DO UPDATE THE BY CODE AND OUR, OUR CHIEF IS GONNA COME AND SHARE WITH OUR GROUP.
AND I, IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK FOR THE FIRST MEETING.
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NOVEMBER, THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER.AND IF THAT CAN'T WORK, WE CAN DO THE SECOND WHATEVER THAT OKAY.
IS SO THE FIRST FIRST, YEAH, THE FIRST ONE DOESN'T WORK.
SO, BUT IN GENERALLY SPEAKING TO YOU, THE OHIO CODE SHOULD DICTATE WHAT CAN BE BUILT AS WE'VE BUILT THE CODE.
AND THAT CODE ALSO DRIVES WHAT YOU GUYS ARE READY FOR.
I MEAN WE'RE, WE ARE DEALING WITH THINGS THAT ARE NEW AND DIFFERENT, RIGHT? SO BASICALLY THAT IS TECHNICALLY IN OUR CONTROL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE STANDARDS AND THAT WE HAVE, WELL WE HAVE THE STANDARDS.
WE'VE ADOPTED THE OHIO FIRE CODE, SO IS THE TOWNSHIP.
WE'VE ADOPTED THE OHIO BUILDING CODE, BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL.
NOW, HOW THOSE STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE UNKNOWN, WITH THE NEW THINGS THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE, THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, STATE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
SO WE DON'T DEFINE OUR FOR THE STANDARDS, BUT WE AS ENSURE, RIGHT.
OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT ENSURE IT ABSOLUTELY.
BASICALLY, I THINK WHAT I'M GOING FOR SURE.
AND IS THERE ANY SUCH THING AS CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATION FOR THOSE CODES OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL? BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE DATA CENTERS.
DO WE HAVE A DATA CENTER CLASSIFICATION THAT SAYS HERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING? I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I LAST TWO TH ASK.
I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, BREATHING THE AIR AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, IS IT ANY PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE POWER PLANTS OR IS IT A DATA CENTER BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH THERE? SO IS THERE A CUSTOMER CLASS? RIGHT? 'CAUSE I, I KNOW THAT THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE A CUSTOMER CLASS.
UH, PMJ DOESN'T, OR PJM DOESN'T HAVE A CUSTOMER CLASS FOR DATA CENTERS.
AND SO THERE'S ALL THAT TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S CUSTOMER CLASSES IDENTIFIED AND DOES IT DO ANY GOOD? SO IF WE HAVE CODE THAT'S BY CUSTOMER CLASS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT.
I'M, OR IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA DEVELOP CLASS, BUT A LOT OF REGULATIONS CLASSIFICATION YEAH.
OF THE REGULATIONS DEPEND ON WHAT THE OCCUPANT OF THAT BUILDS OUT THAT SPACE IS.
SO IF THEY'RE LESS MOBILE, THERE'LL BE A HIGHER SCRUTINY IN TERMS OF FIRE PROTECTION.
SO I'M NOT SURE IT'S A CUSTOMER CLASS, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES SOMETHING THAT TRICK THAT HIGHER CLASS.
I'VE TRIED TO READ THE FIRE CODE.
I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE CHIEF ON YEAH.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, YEAR VENT DESIGN, EROSION, DUST CONTROLS.
I ASSUME THIS IS STUFF THAT WAS ALREADY, IT'S CONTROLLED BY US LOCALLY, BUT IT ALSO, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH HOW EPA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
AND WE PROBABLY DO, WE DO, I ASSUME WE DO.
SO THIS IS DEFINING NARROW USES, CAPPING PHASES.
THIS WOULD BE MORE ON, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, EXPANSION TRIGGERS.
UH, I THINK THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF OUR STANDARD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
DATA TRANSPARENCY, REQUIRING DISCLOSURE, A KEY OPERATING METRICS.
SO I PUT IN HERE POWER, WATER, AND NOISE.
CAN WE FORCE THEM TO GIVE US SOME, LIKE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT POWER, YOU KNOW, CAN WE FORCE THEM TO TELL US THAT? I MEAN, NOT THAT WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
BUT THEN OBVI, OBVIOUSLY THE THING IS THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE.
WE WOULD, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH WATER, YOU'RE ON COUNCIL.
IF YOU CAME TO US AND SAID, I WANNA KNOW HOW MUCH WATER THIS PROPERTY DOWN THE STREET'S USING, I WOULD TELL THE CITY NOT TO TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC EXEMPTION.
THE CODE SAYS THAT STUFF'S CONFIDENTIAL.
I I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY NOW NOISE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
IN TERMS OF POWER IN WATER, I THOUGHT IN WA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER USAGE.
BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING OR YOU MEAN WHAT THEY'RE USING ON A DAILY BASIS? OR DO YOU MEAN WHAT THEY ARE PROJECTING THEY MIGHT USE LIKE WELL, YEAH, ACTUAL USAGE AND PROJECT.
I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, WATER'S KIND OF EASY.
'CAUSE AS KYLE SAID, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, WE KNOW WHAT THE MAXIMUM'S GONNA BE.
I, I I GUESS MY THINKING HERE WAS WE NEED TO HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DATA IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE AND POWER, UH, WE CAN ASK FOR THE DATA, BUT WE CAN'T FORCE ANYTHING.
BUT I, BUT, BUT THE THINGS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE, WE CAN COMPEL DATA DISCLOSURE.
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EHT WAS HERE, THEY, THAT PROBABLY REALLY, WE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO IT.CAN WE SHARE THAT? I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, UNDER THE LAW, THERE'S SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS.
LIKE I, LIKE I WOULD TELL THE CITY NOT TO GIVE IT TO EVEN A COUNCIL MEMBER.
WELL, THERE WAS A LAWSUIT, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS IN HIGH OR NOT, BUT ANOTHER STATE, WE ONLY USE 440,000 GALLONS.
NOW THAT'S OVER A MILLION GALLONS A DAY.
AND THERE WAS A HUGE, WELL, WE CAN USE LIKE, GENERAL THINGS.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I ALSO CAN'T DISCLOSE HOW MUCH EACH INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHO OUR LARGEST 10 LARGEST TAXPAYERS ARE WITHOUT GIVING YOU A NUMBER.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIFICS, THERE'S SPECIFIC EXCEPTIONS IN THE CODE.
SO, SO HOW YOU'RE GONNA GO ASK FOR WATER USAGE? WELL, SO HOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ENFORCE? YEAH.
I DON'T, WHY CAN'T FIND OUT WHY IS THAT CONFIDENTIAL? I, I WOULD, I THINK I KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU'RE GETTING AT.
BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS, 'CAUSE I'VE HAD THIS COME UP AND IT'S WRITTEN INTO HIGHER VICE CODE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CONFUSING TWO THINGS.
SO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DISCLOSING IT TO COUNCIL OR PUTTING IT OUT PUBLIC, BUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE DATE OF THE CITY BE ABLE TO HAVE THE DATA IN ORDER TO ENFORCE THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO CONTROL, WHICH IS WATER.
YOU CAN'T WALK, YOU CAN'T, I MEAN WATER YOU CAN CONTROL.
'CAUSE IT'S THROUGH OUR PIPES.
BUT WHAT ABOUT NOISE? NOISE? WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO IT.
THE WAY THAT I'M INTERPRETING, BECAUSE IT ALSO SAYS, AND MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, REAL TIME DASHBOARD ACCESS.
I WOULD LOVE A REAL TIME LIKE LET'S SAY AN ANNUAL REPORT PUBLICLY HERE TO THE COMMUNITY.
THIS IS, WE COULD GIVE YOU THE OVERALL WATER NUMBERS.
BUT SOME OF, SOME OF THE STUFF I WROTE IN HERE IS VERY ASPIRATIONAL.
BUT LIKE, LET'S SAY FOR THE YEAR OF 2026, THIS IS THE WATER THAT WE USE.
AND THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT ANNUAL REPORT.
ONCE WE GET DOWN TO INDIVIDUAL SITES, IT GETS WEIRDER UNDER THE LAW.
NOW I'M TALKING, LET'S SAY THERE'S ONE DATA CENTER IN CITY OF UNIVERSITY.
WELL, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST, LET'S NOT EVEN USE THE DATE.
YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH MOUNT CAR'S, WATER USAGE IS? I DON'T.
NO, BUT I MEAN HYPOTHETICALLY THAT WHAT I'M HEARING STEVEN SAY IS LIKE THAT THERE'S AN EXCEPTION UNDER LAW.
WE COULD SAY WHAT'S OUR, FOR SPECIFIC USERS, WE COULD MAYBE LOOK AT TOTAL WATER USAGE.
WE COULD TELL YOU, HEY, OUR 10 BIGGEST WATER USERS IN THE CITY AND OUR X, Y AND Z, X, Y, AND Z.
BUT AS FAR AS HOW MUCH DOES NOT CARMEL VIEWS, YEAH, I, I'M PRETTY SURE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION IN MILWAUKEE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THAT LIKE TAXPAYERS, I CAN TELL YOU, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OUR TWO BIGGEST TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY ARE, I THINK MOUNT CARMEL AND SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE NUMBER IS SPECIFICALLY.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCLOSE THAT.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT DATA CENTERS? IS THAT THIS, THIS, THE MATRIX IS SPECIFICALLY, BUT I DON'T THINK, I GUESS THAT WAS HIS POINT.
ARE YOU SAYING CAN WE MAKE THEM TELL THE CITY EVERY YEAR AS A REQUIREMENT THAT NOT BE ONE OF THE STANDARDS SLASH REGULATIONS? IS THAT EVERY YEAR WE PUT OUT HOW MUCH WORK WE CAN ADD? I JUST WHY DO YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT? WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
WELL, THERE, THERE THAT, BUT I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT IT FROM AN ENFORCEMENT PERSPECTIVE.
LIKE HOW YOU, LIKE THE LAST THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING INTO THE, INTO THE AGREEMENT OR THE ZONING OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY, THAT THEY COULD ONLY USE 40, I FORGET WHAT THE NUMBER WAS.
FOUR, LET'S SAY 40,000 GALLONS A DAY.
RIGHT? IF THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THERE AS, AS THEIR CAP, HOW WOULD THAT BE ENFORCED IF WE DON'T KNOW? WELL, WE KNOW WE JUST WON'T SHARE IT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, OKAY, SO THE, SO THE DATA IS THERE IN ORDER FOR TO ENFORCE, SUPPOSED TO BE, RIGHT.
ANYTHING THAT WE ENFORCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE DATA, OTHERWISE WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
THE OTHER THING IS, SHOULD THAT BE PUBLIC? IT COULD BE PART OF POTENTIALLY, MAYBE IS WHAT I'M HEARING IS LIKE ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY CAN AGREE TO GIVE US THAT.
I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE COULD CONTRACT AND THAT COULD BE PART OF, IF THERE'S, THERE'S COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENTS I'VE HEARD ABOUT JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE EXCEPTION OF LAW.
TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT TO US.
USAGE INFORMATION, INCLUDING NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF SPECIFIC RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS OF A MUNICIPALLY OWNED OR OPERATED PUBLIC UTILITY.
THAT IS WHAT WE CAN'T DISCLOSE.
IT'S WRITTEN IN THE LAW ASKING THAT ISN'T STEVEN SAYING, WELL WE SHOULDN'T TELL PEOPLE THIS.
I'M TELLING YOU I CAN READ THE HIGHER RISE CODE.
SO THERE'S, I'M NOT PART OF YOUR GROUP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THE WATER USAGE, WHAT
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TYPE OF WATER USAGE? THEY COULD BE WATER IN THE FACILITY GROUNDS AND USE 10,000 GALLONS A DAY OF WATER IN THE GROUNDS.THEY'RE NOT USING IT ACTUALLY INSIDE THE DATA SET.
THAT'S WHAT I HAVE MY D DEDUCT METER FOR.
SO I DON'T HAVE TO PAY SEWER ON THAT.
YOU'RE NOT GETTING AS TO WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING TO PRODUCE THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE USING IT FOR.
MY NAME CLEAR BY THE WAY, VERY NICE TO MEET YOU.
AND I'M SORRY, BUT WE CAN'T I KNOW REALLY TAKE STUFF FROM
I WAS JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.
SO I MEAN, YOU GOT TO INCLUDE THOSE LITTLE BITS AND PIECES IN THERE.
YOU CAN MESSAGE, YOU CAN MESSAGE CINDY AND WELCOME TO, AND ONCE THEY, I'M NOT TELLING YOU CAN'T ASK FOR IT AND THEY MAY AGREE TO PROVIDE IT FOR US.
BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT, LIKE I SAID, EVEN IF, I MEAN YOU ON COUNCIL, YOU'RE ONE OF OUR SEVEN BOSSES, IF YOU CALLED AND SAID, I WANT THE WATER USAGE, I WOULD TELL YOU NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.
AND FRANKLY, IF I ASKED FOR IT, THEY SHOULD TELL ME NO.
I MEAN THEY SHOULD, CAN WE GO BACK TO LEGAL ENFORCEMENT REAL QUICK? SURE.
SO LET'S SAY THAT THERE'S A PERSON TRIAL, LIKE THERE ARE CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF, UH, WHATEVER THE AGREEMENT WAS INITIALLY.
ARE, ARE THERE FINES THAT ARE IMPOSED DAILY? LIKE WHAT, HOW ARE THESE DEVELOPERS ALL ACCOUNTABLE? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE AGREEMENT'S WRITTEN.
I MEAN, NORMALLY WHEN WE DO AN AGREEMENT, THERE'S AN INCENTIVE ATTACHED.
SO IF THEY WERE IN VIOLATION, YOU COULDN'T GAIN FULLY SET UP.
UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF A NEW, NEW FIELD FORCE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN A CITY CODE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY DO THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S STRUCTURED.
WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S CALLBACK PROVISIONS.
'CAUSE OUR, OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS COMPLIANCE.
WE ALWAYS WANT PEOPLE TO COMPLY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY BESIDES CALLBACK PROVISIONS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUE THEM AND EITHER GO FOR AN INJUNCTION TO STOP THEM OR WE COULD DO THINGS TO COMPEL 'EM TO DO THINGS.
IF THEY DON'T HONOR THE TERMS THAT THEY AGREEMENT, WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT.
THAT'S, SO THIS ONE ACTUALLY GOES, UH, ONE, YOU WROTE THAT EXAMPLE.
SOMEBODY WAS SAYING THEY WE ONLY USED 400,000 BUT THEY WERE USING A MILLION OR WHATEVER.
WHATEVER THAT IT, IT MUST HAVE BEEN OUT OF, MAYBE NOT IN OHIO.
SO, SO THAT, THAT KIND OF FALLS THIS NEXT ONE.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S A CAP OF X AND THEY'RE USING X PLUS 10, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO, TO SEE THAT.
AND AGAIN, WE WOULD ONLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA FOR THOSE THINGS THAT WE CONTROL.
IT'S LIKE IN THE CCA THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, IF YOU USE MORE THAN 10% MORE WATER THAN YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO, OR YOU'VE BEEN USING LIKE A CURRENT BUSINESS, IT COSTS FOR REFERENDUM.
HOW IF THE CITY'S NOT ALLOWED TO, UH, TO MEASURE THIS OR, OR DISCLOSE THIS INFORMATION, HOW WELL WE CAN MEASURE IT.
WE MEASURE IT BECAUSE WE BILL FOR IT.
BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW IS THAT EVEN LABELED? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, REALLY NOT IN ENFORCEABLE.
'CAUSE WE CANNOT LEGALLY GET THE DATA.
SO HOW WOULD WE PROVE IT? WELL, WE ARE, WE COULD GET THE DATA FOR THE, FOR THE PURPOSES OF ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS.
WE JUST CAN'T, I MEAN, ONCE AGAIN, I MEAN WE'RE GETTING A THOUSAND PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS RIGHT NOW OVER EVERYTHING RELATED TO DATA CENTERS.
IF SOMEONE ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION, WE'D SAY WE CAN'T GET A G.
DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WE CAN'T USE IT FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES.
IT JUST, SOME OF THESE ARE HARD IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.
I MEAN, WE'RE IN NEW, WE'RE PAVING NEW ROUTE
NOT HERE, BUT I MEAN JUST OVERALL, LIKE, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT I PREDICT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SERIOUS LITIGATION HUNDRED PERCENT IN NATION NATIONALLY.
I MEAN, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA WIN HERE ARE GONNA BE THE LAWYERS AND NOT ME.
'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE FIGHTS OVER ALL OF THIS STUFF.
SO CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS, AGAIN, WE KIND OF TALKED, TOUCHED ON THIS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, DEFINING HOURS, DUST TOWARDS NOISE LIMIT, YOU KNOW.
THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, UH, CONTROL OVER AND WE COULD BE MORE STRINGENT DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW.
AND WE DRIVE BY, DRIVE BY SOME OF THESE GIANT FACILITIES THAT ARE IN CONSTRUC RIGHT NOW.
AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WANT THAT GOING ON 24 7.
I'M JUST PICTURING A HUNDRED TRUCKS.
THEY ROAD SO DE DECOMMISSIONING, REQUIRING A DECOMMISSION PLAN.
HOW, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD REQUIRE AND THEN THEREFORE ENFORCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE, THE BOND IS, THE ONLY THING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WEIRD
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IS I, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE REQUIRE BONDING ON, WHERE IN ESSENCE THEY HAVE TO PUT UP A LETTER OF CREDIT OR, AND BANKS HAVE GOTTEN REALLY WEIRD WITH THE BONDING STUFF RECENTLY.SO IT'S, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET BONDS TO COVER THIS STUFF.
OH REALLY? WELL, 'CAUSE THAT'S AN OBLIGATION.
IF BANKS'S GONNA HAVE TO IN ESSENCE SAY, HEY, WE'RE STEPPING UP TO PAY FOR THIS WHEN IT HAPPENS.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
AND THEY'VE GIVEN, WE'VE HAD A FEW BIDS AND OTHER STUFF WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO BONDS WHERE IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT WEIRD.
I'M NOT SAYING DON'T ASK FOR IT.
I'M JUST SAYING IT'S, IT'S A WEIRD MARKET RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
SO, UH, AND WE TOUCHED ON THIS, THE NEXT ONE ON ALREADY A LITTLE BIT TOO, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE BURDEN.
SO, UH, ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME NOW, REQUIRING THEM TO MAYBE DO ROAD UPGRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WITHIN OUR, OUR CONTROL.
BUT I ALSO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE, I KNOW WE DO IT, BUT THERE HAVE CERTAINLY BEEN SOME DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH AND WE DON'T HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER EVERYTHING.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE HARRIS, THE HARRIS FARM PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN.
COUNCIL CERTAINLY WANTED TO ASK THE DEVELOPER FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT 6 65 IS ON ONE EDGE AND BORA ROAD, A TOWNSHIP ROAD IS ON THE OTHER EDGE.
SO I DO JUST WANT TO STATE THAT, THAT WHERE SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES MIGHT GET ANNEXED IN IF THEY'RE A TOWNSHIP OR STATE ROADS.
WELL, YES, THAT IS SOMETHING WE DO ALL THE TIME.
WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
COUNCIL IS ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THOSE THINGS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT ALWAYS COMES TO FRUITION.
SO I THINK SOMEHOW IT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN THAT LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE FRONT OF MIND.
AND ANOTHER ONE WAS LIKE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
'CAUSE I MEAN, WHENEVER WE HAVE ANY PROJECT, THE RESIDENTS IN THE AIR ARE GONNA COME AND SAY TRAFFIC IS TERRIBLE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THAT.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC STANDARDS UNDER OHIO LAW, WHETHER A LIGHT IS WARRANTED, WHETHER THIS A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT'S WARRANTED.
I MEAN, WE CAN ASK FOR THEM TO DO THESE THINGS, BUT A LOT OF IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COMPEL IF IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION.
IF IT'S NOT IN OUR JURISDICTION, THEN WE HAVE TO PARTNER WITH OO.
NOW WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE TOWNSHIP ON A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS.
ODOT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
AND ODOT HAS CERTAIN THRESHOLDS TOO.
SO IT, IF YOU DON'T NEED, WE MIGHT NOT THINK INTERSECTION'S SAFE, BUT OO SAYS, WELL, THE NUMBER NUMBERS SAY IT'S SAFE AND THEN WE DON'T GET TO MM-HMM
SO WE, I MEAN, IN OUR JURISDICTION WE HAVE ULTIMATE CONTROL.
IF UNDER LOCAL ROADS, THOSE ARE OURS, THAT WE CAN DO ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
NOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY THOUGH, THERE IS STILL STANDARDS OUT THERE UNDER THE LAW FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT ROADS CAN HANDLE, HOW MANY CAR, YOU KNOW, TRIPS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN POINT TO TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT THIS.
NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S A SHINY NEW TOY THAT WE WANT IT, WE WE HAVE TO GO TO POINT TO SOMETHING.
SO, BUT WE HAVE FLEX, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY HERE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU GET TO THE STATE ROUTES.
SO I THINK THAT NEEDS LIKE AN ASTERISK, RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE LOTS OF CONVERSATION AROUND IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD WRITE THAT IN OR WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, IT IS SOMEHOW A TOPIC.
I KNOW PLUM RUN DEVELOPMENT WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS AT 6 65 AND 1 0 4.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN SOUTH OF SCIOTO MEADOW, SCIOTO, UM, MEADOWS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE FIRST DEVELOPER THAT CAME THROUGH WASN'T WANTING TO PUT IN A TURN LANE, I THINK FROM 6 65 TO 1 0 4.
AND THEN THE NEXT DEVELOPER THAT CAME IN.
IT WAS, IT WAS A MUCH BETTER AMICABLE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK THROUGH.
IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH ANYWAYS OR CORRECT.
BUT WE'RE, AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING DATA CENTERS, THEIR BUDGETS ARE MUCH BIGGER.
WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY AND STATE.
WHEN THEY SAY THEY'RE MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE.
IF SOMEONE SAYS PAYING FOR AN IMPROVEMENT OR WE'RE TALKING WITH A LOCAL DEVELOPER, THEY ONLY HAVE SO MUCH BUDGET TO DO THE PROJECT, STILL HAVE A PROFIT.
SO IT IS, IT IS A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT LEVEL, IF YOU WILL.
SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT AND UNCOVER AND UNDERSTAND.
AND IF, AND IF YOU HAVE FUNDS TO PAY FOR.
UM, IF WE REPRESENT THE CITY OF DUBLIN, ALSO, IF YOU EVER GET OFF 33, NOW THERE'S A STRAIGHT ROAD TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.
AND ODO WAS LIKE, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND WE'RE LIKE, WE'LL PAY FOR IT.
AND THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, YOU COULD DO THAT.
'CAUSE THE HOSPITAL PAID FOR IT.
SO IF THERE'S FUNDING SOURCES, IT'S MUCH EASIER.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA SAY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
BUT IF YOU CAN GET SOMEONE TO PAY FOR IT, THEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A EXTRA OFF RAMP AND THROUGH THAT AIN'T CHEAP.
AND IF SOMEONE'S WILLING TO EAT THAT COST, THEY DID IT.
I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY HERE.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST TIME.
UM, BUT HAS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY MORE TALK WITH HEAD WATER THAT THEY COMMUNICATE ANYTHING WITH THE CITY OR COUNCIL OR, THEY WERE SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM ON MONDAY.
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BUT NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN EMAILS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO EMAILS TO MY OFFICE FOR COUNCIL.
WHO'S THE MAYOR SPEAKING TO WHEN HE BROUGHT THAT UP? WHO WAS HE SPEAKING TO WHEN HE DID HIS REPORT? HE SPEAKING TO, HE WAS SPEAKING THE REPORTER.
WAS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE HE WAS SPEAKING TO? SO HE HAD TALKED TO ONE REPORTER AND WAS GONNA TALK TO ANOTHER ONE.
SO JUST REPORTERS AS FAR AS I KNOW.
COULD, SO THE RECORDS REQUEST THAT REVEALED THE, THE LETTER THAT CAME FROM HEADWATERS, THERE'S, I'M SORRY, THE RECORDS REQUEST THAT SHOWED THAT THERE WAS A LETTER FROM HEADWATERS THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESPONDED TO IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, WHERE THEY OFFERED TO COME IN AND SIT WITH THE TASK FORCE.
AND I, UH, UH, YEAH, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT CAME THROUGH, UH, TO COUNCIL.
I'VE NOT RESPONDED TO IT AND I'M NOT SEEING ANY EMAILS FROM ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE RESPONDED TO IT.
IT WAS JUST A, IT WAS A, IT WAS A STATEMENT THAT THEY PUT OUT AND THEN THEY OFFERED, AND NO ONE HAS ASKED ME TO COORDINATE ANY KIND OF, AND OF, OF INTERACTION WITH, WITH THEM AND WITH THE MORATORIUM IN PLACE, THEY CAN'T FILE ANYTHING.
THAT WOULD'VE COME TO YOU ANYWAY.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT HEADWATER TO COME AS A DEVELOPER OF, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY JUST SET UP THE PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BUT IF YOU, IF THIS COMMITTEE WANTED SOMEBODY FROM HEADWATER TO COME, THEN I WOULD COORDINATE THAT.
BUT OTHER, BUT NO, NOBODY HAS REACHED OUT.
THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A RECORDS REQUEST DONE IN A LETTER FROM HEADWATER WAS IN THAT RECORDS REQUEST.
AND I GOT SOME PEOPLE PRETTY FIRED UP.
I THINK I SAW THAT ON FACEBOOK.
THEY WERE OFFERING TO COME IN AND SIT WITH THE TASK FORCE AND RIGHT.
GUIDE US THROUGH WHATEVER AND ALL OF THAT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHO SITS, WHO SITS WITH THE TASK FORCE IS UP TO YOU TO DECIDE.
SO, SO THE, I THINK THAT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT NOBODY HAS RESPONDED TO THAT.
AND THAT'S, I HAVE NOT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS RESPOND TO IT.
THEY'RE TO COME TO THESE MEETINGS JUST LIKE THESE.
WE CAN'T SAY NO, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA INCLUDE, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, I HADN'T ASKED THE COMMITTEE IF YOU WANTED THAT EITHER, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL, IT WOULD BE UP TO YOU DON'T ASKED.
I'M TRYING TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO CAN WE VOTE ON THAT NOW SINCE I'VE LEFT? WELL, YEAH, WE HAVE NOT, BECAUSE MELISSA, SHE'S, WELL PERSONALLY, I MAKE A MOTION NOT TO LET THEM BE PART OF THIS TASK FORCE.
CAN I DO THAT? THEY'RE NOT PART, YOU CAN'T STOP THEM.
BUT I DON'T THINK, AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PR TOO, THEY SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE TASK FORCE IN ANY WAY.
SHE WELL, THEY'RE NOT PART OF IT.
THEY'RE NOT A MEMBER IN TERMS OF PARTICIPATING, PRESENTING.
WE HAVE BEEN INVITED AS A GUEST OR ANYTHING.
SO WHY WE VOTE, WHY WE, I AGREE.
I I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR AND I DON'T, I WANNA BE CLEAR ON IT, I THINK IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT THEY, THEIR NAME HAS NEVER COME UP AS A, AS A DESK.
THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO COME BECAUSE THEY'RE DEFINITELY THAT'S FINE.
NEVER HAVE WE BROUGHT THAT UP.
WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF RIGHT.
ACTUALLY BRINGING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION SO WE CAN ALL HAVE A CLEAR, THAT'S THE SAME REASON WHY WE WANNA LIMIT, WE DON'T WANT ANY CONVERSATION FROM ANYONE IN THE ROOM, NO OFFENSE.
BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHY ENFORCING MR WAS ASKING QUESTIONS LAST TIME.
IT'S, IT'S NOT DISRESPECTFUL TO ANYONE.
BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THAT FROM ANYBODY, WE HAVE TO ALLOW IT FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THAT IS THE I SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS STRAIGHT.
BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO TALK, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO NO, YOU'RE HELPING.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YEAH, BUT I ALSO, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT I KNOW FOR MYSELF AND MAYBE THE TWO THAT ARE ALSO HERE, UM, EITHER ONE OF US COULD HAVE CHOSE TO BRING THOSE ATTACHMENTS FROM THAT EMAIL TO THIS MEETING TODAY.
'CAUSE THAT THOSE ATTACHMENTS WERE HEADWATERS, I GUESS RECOMMENDATION ON, ON THINGS THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT AS A TASK FORCE AND KIND OF HELPING US GUIDE THE CONVERSATION.
SO I HOPE THAT SHOWS THAT WE ARE ALL COMMITTED TO THIS AND, AND GENUINELY TRYING TO LEARN AND GET TO A PLACE WHERE IT'S EITHER CREATING STANDARDS OR NOT, OR YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO I HOPE, I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ALL THE SAME TO YOU.
WE'VE ALSO HAD HOW MANY MEETINGS, RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE DILIGENTLY THOUGHT THROUGH LIKE, LET'S HAVE THIS, LET'S HAVE THIS, LET'S HAVE THIS.
AND NOBODY HAS VOICED IN INTEREST IN THAT CAPACITY.
SO I, WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WANTING TOOLKITS AND THINGS OF THAT ON THAT.
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THINK PART OF IT, WHILE WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THERE ARE TOOLKITS THAT I THINK ARE AVAILABLE.I KNOW UPPER ARLINGTON HAS ONE.
UM, I I WILL SAY THAT I THINK IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT ON THE, UH, TESTIMONIES FROM, UH, TO THE STATE COMMISSION ON, ON DATA CENTERS, UM, ON JUNE 11TH, THEIR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, THE STATE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, PROMISED TO HAVE A TOOLKIT ALIVE ON THEIR WEBSITE IN 60 DAYS.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT IS DELAYED.
IT IS, IT IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF THE, IF THE GENERAL PUBLIC THINKS THAT WE ARE NOT REALLY CLIPPING ALONG HERE, WE'VE GOT THE STATE THAT HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT ABOUT THE, THE HOURS OF TESTIMONY AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEY COULD, THEIR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CANNOT PUT TOGETHER A TOOLKIT YET.
SO I THINK THOSE TOOLKITS WOULD HELP US.
THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT THEY WOULD TELL US IS WE WATCHED HOW THAT COMMISSION PROCEEDS, AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING, THEY'RE KIND OF OF STALLED RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IN TERMS OF SOME OF THESE, LIKE ELECTRICAL AND, AND ALL OF THESE UTILITY STUFF.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MIGHT COME IN JUST LIKE HB 15.
THEY COULD COME IN WITH SOME KIND OF HOUSE BILL OR SOMETHING TO ADDRESS THOSE, RIGHT? SURE.
AND AT THAT POINT THEN WE HAVE TO SAY, NOT ONLY CAN WE NOT REQUEST IT, BUT WHATEVER THEY SAY GOES, WE HAVE TO GO BY BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A STATE LAW.
SO I THINK IT'S REALLY INTERESTING THAT I THINK THEY'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST SOME OF THAT TOO.
GOOD NEWS IS NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN AT THE STATE LEVEL.
SO AFTER THE ELECTION, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
YEAH, WE'RE GOOD THEN JANUARY 1ST.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, NO MATTER WHICH WAY THINGS GO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF FULL DISCLOSURE AND TRANSPARENCY, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC FOR THIS THING THAT WAS CONCERNED, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
YES, THE STATE DID THIS AND THEREFORE, SURE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT NO CONTROL.
THIS ONE, WE DO HAVE CONTROL AND THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO MM-HMM
RIGHT THIS WAY OR WHATEVER HAPPENS STEP.
AND BEFORE WE, NOT THAT I, I JUST WANNA SEE, GET A FEEL FOR EVERYBODY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS, THIS SOMETHING WE WANNA, UM, DO YOU WANNA KEEP TRYING TO FOLLOW THROUGH QUICKLY OR DO YOU WANT TO I THINK THE NEXT, THE NEXT TWO, THE NEXT DOOR ACTUALLY REALLY QUICK BECAUSE WE, I'VE SEEN THIS DONE WITH YEAH.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO ALL THE FISCAL STUFF TO DO JOBS AND PAYROLL.
NORMALLY THAT'S TIED TO AN INCENTIVE.
SO, HEY, WE GIVE YOU X, Y, AND Z, THEREFORE YOU'RE GUARANTEEING US RIGHT.
THIS NOW SOME OF THE FISCAL IMPACT, WE, WE MAKE DEVELOPERS, HEY, YOU HAVE TO DO X, Y, AND Z WITHOUT THE TURNAROUND.
BUT YEAH, THE, THESE ARE THINGS WE ABSOLUTELY CAN OKAY.
UM, I OFTEN SEE, UH, 15 YEAR TAX ABATEMENTS.
THAT'S STAND, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
BUT CAN WE NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER? LIKE DOES IT HAVE TO BE 15 EVERY TIME? IS THIS SPECIFIC TO EVERY DATA CENTERS RIGHT NOW? NO, 3, 9 4 IS IS 15 YEARS OR 10 YEARS? DEPENDS NEW CONSTRUCTION OR REMODELING UNDER THE POST 94, YOU CAN NEGOTIATE A TERM, A PERCENTAGE, ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UH, POST NINE FOUR GIVES YOU MORE ABILITY TO GET IN THE WEEDS.
AND OURS ARE ALL PRE, OURS ARE ALL PRE, WE HAVE ONE POST NINE, FOUR.
SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, SAY THAT? YEAH, BUT THE NEGOTIATION'S NOT FOR CITY.
BUT HOW WOULD YOU DETERMINE WHICH DEVELOPER GETS POSTAL PRE NINE FOUR? UH, WHERE THERE PRE 94, IF YOU EXIST IN ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE IT IS, YOU GET, SO IT'S WHERE THE CRA WAS PUT? YES.
IF YOU DO A PROJECT IN AN AREA THAT HAS A PRE 94 CRA, YOU FILE A PIECE OF PAPER.
THE PRE 94 MODIFIED THREE TIMES.
MOST OF OUR PRE 94 CRAS HAVE BEEN TOUCHED THREE TIMES.
SO MOST, SO THIS, LET'S SAY THIS PROJECT HAD WATERS, FOR EXAMPLE.
WHAT, WHERE WOULD THAT FALL? UH, POST NINE FOUR, JUST THE IN ONE.
RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT IN ONE AND IT'S NOT IN BE EITHER ADDED OR WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD OFFER IT, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY NOW IF HEADWATERS WENT INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE'S ALREADY A PRE 94 C RCRA, THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO THAT EXEMPTION.
NOW, ONCE AGAIN, BUT WE COULD TRAC THAT AREA.
YEAH, WE COULD TAKE THAT AREA OUT OF IT, BUT WE'D HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE IF WE TOUCH IT TOO MANY TIMES, WE
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SUBTRACT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.ONCE YOU TAKE IT OUT, YOU CAN'T PUT BACK.
I CAN, OR HAVE WE PICKED THE, SO, SO YEAH, IT IS, UH, TOO FAR.
TAKE TRY TO PAUSE HERE OR THERE'S A FEW MORE.
HOW'S THE GROUP FEELING? I'M GOOD.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT MONEY WILL BE GENERATED FOR THE CITY FROM THE DATA CENTER BEING BUILT AND THEN RUN? WE, WE DO THE ANALYSIS.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON SQUARE FOOTAGE.
IT DEPENDS ON NUMBER OF FACTORS.
WE CAN DO THAT FOR ALMOST ANY PROJECT THAT COMES TO THE CITY.
WE CAN SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK IT WILL GENERATE.
AND LIKE DOUG DO ALL REQUIRES THEM TO PAY BASICALLY EVEN ABOVE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PAY AS IF IT WAS DEVELOPED AS LIKE A CORRECT OFFICE CAMPUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ALWAYS DID A GOOD JOB OF ASSIGNING A, A REVENUE VALUE PER ACRE THAT SAYS IF THIS LAND WAS DEVELOPED FOR AN OFFICE, IT WOULD YIELD THIS MUCH REVENUE.
SO THE WAY NEW DOES IT, THEY SET A NET BENEFIT CAP OR MINIMUM THRESHOLD.
SAY WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU GET TO THIS, BUT YOU GET TO THIS MINIMUM THRESHOLD.
SO IF IT IS THROUGH JOB CREATION, THROUGH NET, UH, PROCEEDS, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT YOU FALL SHORT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE UP.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR EXPECTATION IS THIS ACREAGE IS GOING TO YIELD THIS MUCH REVENUE TO THE CITY.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY KIND OF PROTECT THEMSELVES.
IT'S MUCH LIKE WHAT WE DO WITH OUR INCENTIVES.
LIKE FOR THE, FOR OUR ONE POST NINE, FOUR CRA ON THROW KILL, WE SET A MINIMUM PAYROLL THRESHOLD.
UM, SEE, SO THE NEXT ONE IS MATERIALS AND WASTE MANAGEMENT.
SO REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION, OPERATIONS, WASTE, UH, PLAN, HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, INVENTORY, E-WASTE RECYCLING, SPILL PREVENTION FOR EVERYTHING.
IS THIS PART OF OUR EXISTING COAT? MATERIALS AND WASTE MANAGEMENT? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE E-WASTE RECYCLING COOLING URBAN THAT GO FOR WHAT IT IS.
THAT'D BE THE EPA AND EVERYONE ELSE.
I, I DON'T, WE COULD SAY I WOULD NEED TO, I WOULD NEED TO DO RESEARCH ON THAT.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD FALL PROBABLY, YEAH.
WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING THE BUILDING, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? YEAH, LIKE THE IMPROPER DISPOSED STUFF THAT WOULD REGULATED BY CLEAN AIR, CLEAN WATER, ALL THAT STUFF.
STUFF FOR THE IMPROPER DISPOSAL.
THANK, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONAL WASTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER, WELL, I REMEMBER WAY BACK IN THE DAY WE USED TO, YOU KNOW, GET OLDER, WE'D JUST THROW IN A DUMPSTER.
THEY HAVE TO KEEP THE DUMPSTER COVERED SO IT DOESN'T BLOW ALL AWAY.
THEY HAVE TO DUMP IT REGULARLY.
THEY CAN'T, UM, DRAG MUD OUT ONTO THE ROADS.
WE HAVE THOSE KINDS OF THINGS RIGHT IN CODE ALREADY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE IT RELATED INTO? WELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DUMPSTER WITH A BUNCH OF COMPUTER EQUIPMENT IN IT BECAUSE WHEN THAT DUMPSTER MAKES IT DOWN TO SCO, SWAYS GONNA SAY WE'RE NOT TAKING IT.
SO IT YOU THERE'S A CATCH IN THERE SOMEWHERE, BUT I, I'M NOT SURE OFFICIALLY HOW THAT YEAH.
SO I GOT A BUNCH OF IN MY BASEMENT, UH, COMMUNITY HEALTH EXPOSURE, CUMULATIVE EXPOSURE FROM AIR EMISSIONS, NOISE VIBRATION, LIGHTING, EXHAUST, OTHER OPERATIONS.
SO THIS IS JUST GENERAL HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS FROM THE OVERALL SITE
IS THIS, HOW ABOUT THE UMBRELLA FOR THE OTHER CONCERNS? WELL, IT, IT'S KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY YOU COULD, YOU COULD KIND OF KNOCK OFF.
BUT IS THERE, IS THERE, WHEN YOU COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER,
LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THESE, THESE ARE MASSIVE.
AND SO IS IS THERE POTENTIALLY A RISK OF ALL THESE FACTORS
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IN ONE OF THESE MEGA LOCATIONS THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANSWERS.AND THAT'S PROBABLY LIKE CONTROL EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE THOUGH IS BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE UNIQUE BECAUSE NOT ALL OF 'EM ARE MASSIVE, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT I THINK THAT AGAIN GOES INTO THE, THE BIG UMBRELLA, THE POLICY QUESTION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MORE STUFF THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
I THINK THE, UM, ECOLOGY, NATURAL RESOURCES.
SO PROTECTING, UH, WETLANDS STREAMS, FLOOD LANDS, EPA, UH, TREES, EPA.
DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY ON THAT LOCALLY? UM, MATURE TREES.
WE HAVE FLOOD PLAN REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE STREAM CORRIDOR REGULATIONS.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME TREE PRESERVATION STANDARDS.
A LOT OF HABITAT REGULATIONS LIKE INDIANA, BAT MIGRATION, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE, THERE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE CITY ON THE, THE HABITAT, BUT THERE ARE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
WE DO NOW LISTEN, HAVE Y'ALL BEEN SEEING THOSE COYOTES
ES DRIVE AROUND AT 3:00 AM ALL YOU SEE IS RACCOONS COMING OUTTA THE SEWERS.
IT'S LIKE WE'RE BOTHERING THEM.
UH, RESOURCE EFFICIENCY, SUSTAINABILITY.
SO MEASURE, UH, MEASURABLE, UH, ENERGY AND RESOURCE EFFICIENCY STANDARDS, RECLAIMED WATER WASTE, UH, REUSE RENEWABLE, UH, LOW CARBON.
AGAIN, IS THIS, IS THIS A LOT? UH, OUT OF OUR CONTROL, OUT OF THE CITY'S CONTROL I SHOULD SAY? I DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T HAVE, I MEAN CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE ENERGY OR EFFICIENCY STANDARDS.
WE CAN ENCOURAGE, BUT OUR WATER ONCE AGAIN FLOW BACK TO COLUMBUS.
WE HAVE NO STANDARDS FOR THAT.
LOW CARBON EFFICIENT EQUIPMENT WE DON'T REGULATE.
THERE'S TIMES WE CAN OFFER INCENTIVES, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT STUFF, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN THE LAST, AND I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T, RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE 'CAUSE WE JUST DON'T DO THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE, ADAPTIVE REUSE BUILDING USE.
SO REQUIRED BUILDINGS TO BE DESIGNED WHERE PRACTICAL, UH, FOR, UH, FOR CONVERSION TO OTHER PERMITTED USES.
THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING FOR THE
WE CAN, WE CAN CONTROL THAT, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE ALMOST SAYING THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE SPREAD OUT FURTHER SO THAT YOU CAN, A PARKING LOT STALLED FOR MORE EMPLOYEES IN THE FUTURE.
SO LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOTHING THAT WE'VE REALLY TOUCHED ON YET.
YEAH, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF THEY MOVE OUT THE BUILDING CAN BE REED OR SOMETHING ELSE AS OPPOSED TO JUST BEING DEMOLISHED.
I THINK THE, WHAT IS THAT GROUP? UM, OHIO ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL.
AND I THINK SOME HAVE HEARD THEM SPEAK.
YOU EVEN MENTIONED AT THE LIBRARY THERE WAS AN EVENT.
WAS THAT SOMETHING, DID YOU, DID WE GET, UM, A LINK OR ANYTHING? WE COULD, WE, DID THEY, DID THEY, UH, REPORT IT OR IS THAT SOMETHING, HAVE WE SEEN THEM TALKING TO COMMUNITIES? I, I, I SENT, I SENT OUT THE, I SENT OUT THE DECK.
THEY ALSO WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH US.
BECAUSE I THINK LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS AT THE END, MAYBE SOMETHING THEY CAN SPEAK ON IF THEY ARE WILLING TO COME OUT.
I KNOW I'VE SEEN THEM OUT SPEAKING.
UM, LITTLE HIGH ENVIRONMENTAL.
AND I, I HAVE A NAME IF WE NEED TO CONTACT SOMEBODY MM-HMM
YEAH, SHE SENT ME, ACTUALLY THAT WAS ONE OF, I THINK WHEN I SENT THE EMAIL, I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME WAS THAT THEY DON'T CONSIDER A DATA CENTER TO BE, UH, HIGH, UH, HIGH DENSITY UNTIL IT REACHES A HUNDRED MEGAWATT.
WHICH THAT KIND OF SURPRISED ME.
AND ACTUALLY THAT WAS SAID IN THE, AT THE, UH, AT THE
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I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING.NOT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE OUR NUMBER.
JUST, AND WE ARE, UM, CLOSING IT QUICKLY, UM, ON EIGHT O'CLOCK.
[Create a list of Experts to present before the Task Force]
LIST OF EXPERTS, UM, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL IDEAS RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY I HAVE, UM, OEC AND, UM, GREG BECKER FROM SAY THE ENERGY TO OTHER LIST.I GOT CHECK, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT OUR NEXT MEETING WRAPPED UP, BUT WE'LL BE IN HILLIARD.
AND THEN THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF COME AND PRESENT THAT MEETING.
BEFORE MAYBE THERE THE FIRE CHIEF FOR A DP.
OR A IS THAT EXACTLY
WHOEVER'S PARTNER TO, UM, BUT TO FIND, BUT OTHERWISE, YEAH.
I KEEP, UM, ADDING THAT TO YOUR LIST AND PASSING IT ALONG TO MICHELLE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC NAMES AND UM, THAT IS A NEW BUSINESS
[New Business]
CALL FOR YOU BUSINESS.BUT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, SO I'M WONDERING IF I SHOULD JUST ADD IT TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
I MEAN, NEXT MEETING OR ACTUALLY THE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONE, THE ONE AFTER.
JUST BECAUSE IT'LL BE A FAILURE, RIGHT? THAT'S FINE.
UM, WOULD YOU RATHER DO THAT FOR ME? I THINK SO BECAUSE, UM, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ADD A DISCUSSION ON EXTENDING THE TIME FRAME MORE MM-HMM
BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THIS, WE HAVE A LOT TO GO THROUGH MM-HMM
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY BE THOROUGH ABOUT IT.
THEN WHY DON'T, IF UM, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, TAMMY WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT, THAT WOULD BE THEN NOVEMBER, UH, THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, MAYBE AFTER THE PRESENTER.
ARE, ARE YOU, UH, ARE WE GONNA CREATE THE LIST ALSO ARE WE CAN STOP AND CREATE RIGHT NOW? I'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE ON THE LIST.
ARE, DO YOU NEED THAT ANYMORE? ARE WE KIND OF CREATING THE LIST? WE DO.
IT'S A CONTINU IT IS LIKE A CONTINUING ITEM.
SO, SO DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT ON YOUR AGENDA.
IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ONGOING, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ONGOING AS WE GET INTO MORE OF THESE TOPICS AND PROBABLY IF WE HEAR OTHER SPEAKERS THERE MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT TRIGGER SOMETHING FROM THAT.
SO I THINK THAT IS ONGOING, SO OKAY.
WITH EVERYONE THAT WON'T BE UNDERSTANDING.
AND I WAS TAKING, I WAS TAKING NOTES.
I THINK WE WENT TO SENDING ANYTHING THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT TO YOU.
I'LL MAKE UPDATES TO THIS, YOU KNOW, NOTING THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR CONTROL, OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND OTHER NOTES THAT I WAS TAKING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTACT PERSON FROM WHO WAS, IT WAS ALICIA ROCHA.
THAT'S WHY ALICIA, THAT'S WHY WE LEAVE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT? SURE.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT, UM, WE ADJOURN, UM, SHALL WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADUR? SO MOVED.